What do you guys think. 100 oz silver bar or 1 oz gold???

[ximmy]

I'm considering another investment in metals... need to get rid of about 3000.00 cash.

considering:
1oz platinum
1 oz palladium
1 oz gold

or 2 oz gold and some silver coin

or... any suggetions

I'm betting gold will double sometime in 2017

silver should also double or more by then...????
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http://indigopreciousmetals.com/news/gold-cycles-armstrong-august-2015/

Gold – What Now? Posted 3rd August (http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35597) Gold elected the Monthly Bearish at 1155 and we did so well below that level, holding the 1084 number both weekly and monthly. Our energy models are turning positive, so it does not appear that we will have major follow-through at this time. When you elect a Bearish Reversal that far from the number, you typically bounce back to retest it before proceeding further.
We have a Directional Change back to back for August, September, and July. So, we may see a reaction to the upside to flush out the shorts since we have excessive bearishness building in the press, as the WSJ commented that gold is the “pet rock”. A reaction rally at this point BEFORE new lows will relieve the short positions, but this is not likely to last beyond September. Therefore, we are more likely than not going to see the final decline stage into the Benchmarks. Gold is within the channel so the resistance is forming at the 1155 level followed by 1225-1300. Support will remain at 1084 on a closing basis with key support at 900.

IPM Group - Conclusion and further analysis

Ok, so according to Armstrong's computer generated cycles we are now very close in Time to completing this large correction in the Gold price which has been over 3 years in the making. We are about to start the first real bull market in Gold (in his words) with the price of the metal rising in all world currencies.
The final downside spike from here (US$ 1,080) is looking at between 15 % to 20 % ? in US$ terms - remember this is very important as US$ is appreciating against all world currencies and hence purchasing Gold in Sing$ or Myr or any other particular currency, you could see actual gains from here against the purchasing currency (lows already seen ?).

Armstrong is talking about a substantial appreciation of the US$ going into this crisis from now into 2016 and early 2017.
Upside to Gold is between more than doubling your money from here (wealth preservation indeed) and up to 5 times (or more?) over the period of the cycle.
This is not sensationalism, I am just clearly defining the paramaters in which his cycles (which have been incredibly accurate) are dictating.
As Armstrong Cycles stated...
From the longer-term perspective, gold rallied perfectly in line with our long-term cyclical models bottoming in 19 years during 1999 following the 1980 high at $875. From there, Gold rallied for 13 years, which was also precisely on track establishing the highest annual closing at $1675.80 in 2012 with the intraday high remaining during the previous year 2011 at $1920.80 in line with the low in the Economic Confidence model.
Switching into a long-term perspective gold is poised for its final high on this run in the year 2032. New highs should also be seen in 2017 and 2020 against the US$ from cycle lows in 2015. Panic Cycle Models suggest that higher volatility is due the year of 2017.



Further Analysis ...Something passed my inbox which piqued my interest on behalf of further gold analysis......Please see their link here by the NIA (http://inflation.us/golds-downside-risk-vs-upside-potential/)which have posted some nice charts.


http://indigopreciousmetals.com/media/wysiwyg/Article-images/gold-vs-rms.jpg


Based on America’s latest Real Money Supply (RMS) made up of total US checkable deposits, total US savings deposits, and US currency in circulation (currency component of M1) – and the historical ratio of the RMS to the price of gold – we are able to estimate gold’s fair value, along with its worst case scenario downside risk, and best case scenario upside potential.


In September 2011 when gold reached its record nominal high of $1,895 per ounce, the RMS was $8.007 trillion. Since then, the RMS has grown by 36.3% to $10.911 trillion vs. gold declining by 42.5% to $1,089.40 per ounce.


The RMS/Gold Ratio has increased from a low in September 2011 of 4.23 to 10.02 today. Since 1975, the RMS/Gold Ratio has ranged from a January 1980 low of 0.675 to an April 2003 high of 12.91, with a long-term median of 5.70.


In NIA’s opinion, the 40-year median RMS/Gold Ratio of 5.70 represents gold’s fair value, the record high RMS/Gold Ratio of 12.91 represents gold’s worst case scenario downside risk, and the record low RMS/Gold Ratio of 0.675 represents gold’s best case scenario upside potential.


Based on the long-term median RMS/Gold Ratio of 5.70, gold has a fair value today of $1,914 per ounce. Already, gold’s 2011 high of $1,895 per ounce with a RMS/Gold Ratio of 4.23, would equal a gold price today of $2,580 per ounce. In a worst case scenario for gold, if the RMS/Gold Ratio returned to the record high from 2003 of 12.91, it would equal a gold price today of $845 per ounce.


While gold’s worst case scenario downside risk is $845 per ounce, let’s take a look at its best case scenario upside. When gold first reached $850 per ounce in 1980, the RMS was only $574 billion for a RMS/Gold Ratio of 0.675. Today, a RMS/Gold Ratio of 0.675 gives gold best case scenario upside potential of $16,165 per ounce.


Therefore, from gold’s settlement price yesterday of $1,089.40 per ounce, it currently has worst case scenario downside risk of 22.43% and best case scenario upside potential of 1,383.84%. Gold’s upside potential is 61.7X greater than its downside risk. Gold’s fair value is 75.7% above yesterday’s settlement price.



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[madfranks]

100 oz of silver, no contest. Silver will gain more than gold during the next run up.

However, keep it to 10 oz bars, no 100 oz bars.

[monty]

I agree with madfranks, silver yes, 5 or 10 oz. bars.

[ximmy]

100 oz of silver, no contest. Silver will gain more than gold during the next run up.

However, keep it to 10 oz bars, no 100 oz bars.

Thanks MF, they say not to keep 100 ouncers, but I have bought and sold them and they are very handy to transfer around, except for weight.

I packaged and sold one to Provident metals for a great price, then re-bought other things.

I guess I am saying I have found them handy for trading.

I have, literally, stacks of engelhard 10 oz'ers. Most of my coins are in tubes so they are in 20 or 25 oz sizes.

[monty]

I also have bought and sold a 100 oz. bar. I sold it to Northwest Territorial Mint, and believe it or not they deposited the money in my account in 3 days. I have not attempted to buy from them because of their reputation.

I sold to them because they were paying more than APMEX at that time.

[hoarder]

Silver in whatever form you can purchase closest to spot.

[Sparky]

I think the answer depends upon how much gold you already own. I think a good target is to own at least an ounce of gold for every 100 ounces of silver. As a minimum, you should own at least 1 ounce of gold for every 500 ounces of silver. Otherwise it's too many eggs in one basket, even though I agree it's likely that silver will experience a greater percent increase from here. Something unexpected could happen.

You should also be diversified within silver. You should own some of:
-Generic silver rounds
-Sovereign silver coins (American Eagles, Canadian Maples, etc.)
-90% silver U.S. coins
-10-ounce bars

You can be concentrated in any of these, but I'd advise owning at least 10% of your ounces in each of these four categories, even if your split is 10-10-10-10-X, where X represents some "other" category (like collectible/numismatic). (Thinking of those America The Beautiful coins...)

[ximmy]

I think the answer depends upon how much gold you already own. I think a good target is to own at least an ounce of gold for every 100 ounces of silver. As a minimum, you should own at least 1 ounce of gold for every 500 ounces of silver. Otherwise it's too many eggs in one basket, even though I agree it's likely that silver will experience a greater percent increase from here. Something unexpected could happen.

You should also be diversified within silver. You should own some of:
-Generic silver rounds
-Sovereign silver coins (American Eagles, Canadian Maples, etc.)
-90% silver U.S. coins
-10-ounce bars

You can be concentrated in any of these, but I'd advise owning at least 10% of your ounces in each of these four categories, even if your split is 10-10-10-10-X, where X represents some "other" category (like collectible/numismatic). (Thinking of those America The Beautiful coins...)


I was just thinking to get some more Morgans... and I'm probably weakest in silver dollars, so I will look for those.

[Horn]

All the gold you can carry and a plane ticket to Paraguay, be jewish.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q5ea_ggGtc

[ximmy]

All the gold you can carry and a plane ticket to Paraguay, be jewish.

Thank you Horn, I can always count on you for clear identifiable counseling and a musically theatrical accompaniment in your replies.

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SXWX6qg0y4

[EE_]

1oz gold coins, British soveriens, French/Swiss francs...you can put them in your pocket when you're running for your life from the mega-quake coming.

[ximmy]

1oz gold coins, british soveriens, French/Swiss francs...you can put them in your pocket when you're running for your life from the mega-quake coming.


Interesting... but I intend to bug out, not flee...
Interesting nevertheless...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-12/crossing-borders-gold-and-silver-coins-glimpse-things-come

But I’ve recently had some disturbing experiences crossing borders with coins. Of course, crossing any national border is potentially disturbing at any time. You might find yourself interrogated, strip searched, or detained for any reason or no reason. But I suspect what happened to me in three of the last four borders I crossed could be a straw in the wind.
I’ve gradually accumulated about a dozen one-ounce silver rounds in my briefcase, some souvenirs issued by mining companies, plus others from Canada (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/canada), Australia (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/australia), China (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/china), and the US. But when I left Chile (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/chile) a couple of months ago, the person monitoring the X-ray machine stopped me and insisted I take them out and show them to her. This had never happened before, but I wrote it off to chance. Then, when I was leaving Argentina (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/argentina) a few weeks later, the same thing happened. What was really unusual was that the inspector looked at them, took them back to his supervisor, and then asked if I had any gold coins. I didn’t, he smiled, and I went on.
What really got my attention was a few weeks later when I was leaving Mauritania (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/mauritania), one of the world’s more backward countries. Here, I was also questioned about the silver coins. A supervisor was again called over and asked me whether I had any gold coins. Clearly, something was up....


So what’s next? I expect, as the subtle war on both cash and the transfer of capital across borders gains momentum, that gold coins are going to become the next focus of attention. So I suggest you act now to beat the last minute rush.

Have a meaningful percentage of your net worth in gold coins.

Have a significant number of those coins stored outside the country of your citizenship.

Concentrate your future purchases in small coins that are indistinguishable from loose change. Things like British sovereigns (.23 oz of gold) or their continental equivalents (French, Swiss, German, Danish, Russian, etc., pieces of generally .18 oz of gold). Not only is gold cheap now, but all of these are currently at only a few percent above melt. Happily, they have collectible value, and they resemble common pocket change to an X-ray machine.

[madfranks]

I was just thinking to get some more Morgans... and I'm probably weakest in silver dollars, so I will look for those.

Morgans, while very nice, just have too high a premium for my tastes. You can get much more silver for your buck in other coins/bars. If you're looking for numismatics, Morgans are great. If you're looking for bullion, not so much.

[osoab]

Get some roosters so you can always remember 7th trump. :D

I would go Au. Unless your 100 oz bar is direct from a refiner, I wouldn't touch it. Does your local guy 100 oz bars?

[ximmy]

Morgans, while very nice, just have too high a premium for my tastes. You can get much more silver for your buck in other coins/bars. If you're looking for numismatics, Morgans are great. If you're looking for bullion, not so much.

I just got back from the dealer, I got 14 AU pre 1921 Morgans for $18.50 each.

He is out of gold except for collectible coins.

He had a 1/10 oz AGE.. which I bought for $124.00.

[ximmy]

Get some roosters so you can always remember 7th trump. :D

I would go Au. Unless your 100 oz bar is direct from a refiner, I wouldn't touch it. Does your local guy 100 oz bars?

I have only bought 100 oz'ers from my dealer and from apmex. Johnson Matthey and Engelhard ones.

[ximmy]

Get some roosters so you can always remember 7th trump. :D



LOL... I have an Australia 2005 year of the rooster coin around here somewhere...

[Shami-Amourae]

I would get Gold.

Many of us have a shit load of Silver. Silver is bulky. You can carry all of your Gold in your pocket and no one would know. Most people recognize Gold and it's value over Silver.

[Hitch]

If I was going to spend a couple of thousand, I would buy gold. I buy silver with smaller purchases, a few ounces here and there. Over the years, silver adds up nicely that way. Gold, to me, is for bigger purchases and I personally think now is a great time to buy gold.

[Horn]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ximmy http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=798456#post798456)
But I’ve recently had some disturbing experiences crossing borders with coins.





yeah 1/4 oz sovereigns scattered throughout the entirety of luggage, never tubed.

In pants pockets will pass most ferrous type metal scanners, bodyscanners are a different beast.

If it goes up exponentially expect it to be taxed by that same exponential increase upon sale in most 1st world electronic economies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYB1_nPMIc

[milehi]

I'd buy AR's and flip them for silver at election time

[ximmy]

I'd buy AR's and flip them for silver at election time

For most of 2015 I have been quietly generating an armament ... :)

[Shami-Amourae]

For most of 2015 I have been quietly generating an armament ... :)


http://s9.postimg.org/7oodj7arj/1432633004362.jpg (http://anonym.to?http://anonym.to/?http://postimage.org/)

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

With a ratio of 73:1 it's hard to not go all in on silver.

[madfranks]

I just got back from the dealer, I got 14 AU pre 1921 Morgans for $18.50 each.

He is out of gold except for collectible coins.

He had a 1/10 oz AGE.. which I bought for $124.00.

You do know that one silver Morgan dollar is not one ounce of silver, right? A Morgan is 24 grams of silver, or 0.77 troy ounce. So on a price per ounce basis, you paid over $24/oz for the Morgans.

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad buy, but that's a hefty numismatic premium on those old silver dollars.

[Sparky]

You do know that one silver Morgan dollar is not one ounce of silver, right? A Morgan is 24 grams of silver, or 0.77 troy ounce. So on a price per ounce basis, you paid over $24/oz for the Morgans.

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad buy, but that's a hefty numismatic premium on those old silver dollars.

I'm with madfranks on the Morgans. They are awesome coins to own because of their beauty and historical significance. But they fall more into the "hobby" category. The hobby thing is nice if you have a specific goal, like owning them from as many different dates as possible. I certainly appreciate the appeal of this type of collecting. It actually puts a reasonable "bound" on how many to collect. For example, I'd rather own 15 Morgans from 15 different years, than 50 Morgans from 5 different years.

There you go, ximmy, I've laid out your collectibles plan for you. ;-) I still say that every stacker should have a gold component, to the degree I mentioned in my previous post. Gold is going to be more heavily relied on as "money" if there is a global dislocation of the world's monetary system, and silver will simply be riding its coattails. Less severe scenarios favor silver. So unless you can see the future, own both.

[ximmy]

Added these in... the price is just too low, not too.

https://smhttp-ssl-12068.nexcesscdn.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/475x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/2/0/2015-canadian-silver-maple.jpg

2015 1 oz Canadian Silver Maple Leaf Roll | 25 Count (http://www.providentmetals.com/2015-1-oz-canadian-silver-maple-20-count.html)
BBFS-03967
$419.36

Ordered: 1

$419.36

[Horn]

Sparky always has that Apocalyptic Hell's Bells approach, must come from living so close to Salem Mass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TgcPAUJo_Y

[ximmy]

I'm with madfranks on the Morgans. They are awesome coins to own because of their beauty and historical significance. But they fall more into the "hobby" category. The hobby thing is nice if you have a specific goal, like owning them from as many different dates as possible. I certainly appreciate the appeal of this type of collecting. It actually puts a reasonable "bound" on how many to collect. For example, I'd rather own 15 Morgans from 15 different years, than 50 Morgans from 5 different years.

There you go, ximmy, I've laid out your collectibles plan for you. ;-) I still say that every stacker should have a gold component, to the degree I mentioned in my previous post. Gold is going to be more heavily relied on as "money" if there is a global dislocation of the world's monetary system, and silver will simply be riding its coattails. Less severe scenarios favor silver. So unless you can see the future, own both.

Morgans seem to maintain a high resale value, regardless of what spot says. I'm betting if SHTF they will be exchanged for goods easier than a ASE would be.

[osoab]

If I was going to spend a couple of thousand, I would buy gold. I buy silver with smaller purchases, a few ounces here and there. Over the years, silver adds up nicely that way. Gold, to me, is for bigger purchases and I personally think now is a great time to buy gold.

Today is an even better buy!

[osoab]

I have only bought 100 oz'ers from my dealer and from apmex. Johnson Matthey and Engelhard ones.

Is your local guy buying 100oz bars from any random refiner or just JM and Engelhard?

[hoarder]

If you really must buy physical gold or silver, Jews would prefer you bought gold because they hold most of it and can exert much more control over the price than they can with silver.

[ximmy]

Is your local guy buying 100oz bars from any random refiner or just JM and Engelhard?

I don't know, I never asked him. He has taught me much though and has a whole box full of counterfeit coins & rounds out for people to see.

I'm pretty sure it was Engelhard 100 ouncers that were being counterfeited.


About Lead Filled 100 Oz Silver Barshttp://about.ag/LeadFilled100OunceBars.htm
How Common Are They? There are estimates in the rumor mill that 1 in 25 to 1 in 40 of the 100 ounce silver bars being afflicted with this problem. However, these all appear to be just that: rumors. If true estimates, these may have been estimates made in 2010, or in 1980. We estimate that Engelhard made about 2,000,000 100 ounce bars; that would mean that 50,000 to 80,000 were lead filled (5 to 8 million ounces). It would be very, very difficult for an organization to move that many silver bars unnoticed and untraced. Another person (http://realcent.forumco.com/topic%7ETOPIC_ID%7E9439.asp) who claims to have worked many years in the refining business says that he has only seen 2-3 lead filled 100 ounce bars out of 1000s that he was involved with.
In the FBI Case (http://about.ag/LeadFilledType2.htm), it was claimed that about 150-200 bars were created (of which 16 were recovered), meaning that at least 150 or so such bars made it into circulation (and as many as 500 or so, per our calculations, based on their purchases of lead). Common sense dictates that it is likely that several people did this on a similar scale, so perhaps 1,000 or so bars made it out there (likely many of which have since been discovered). That would be about .05% of all Engelhard 100 ounce bars being tainted, or a 1 in 2,000 chance of having one.
Another point: major online bullion dealers do not place much emphasis on lead-filled 100 ounce silver bars. If they were as prevalent as some suggest (1:25 to 1:40), they would have lots and lots of customers sending in bogus bars (many send in 10+ at a time). Those customers would certainly start complaining, but there aren't any complaints of anyone sending 100 ounce silver bars to major online dealers that told them that they were filled with lead. This makes the ~1:2,000 estimate seem more accurate.

[Hitch]

If you really must buy physical gold or silver, Jews would prefer you bought gold because they hold most of it and can exert much more control over the price than they can with silver.

I always thought the big banksters crushed and manipulated the price of silver. They short it, keep it suppressed.

If they buy and hold gold, than logically I would think the price is a bit more honest and not as manipulated. Why manipulate what you hold? If the price is high, sell, if it's low, buy.

Oh, and no way I would ever go near a 100 oz silver bar. I like the 10 ozer's.

[hoarder]

I always thought the big banksters crushed and manipulated the price of silver. They short it, keep it suppressed. Yes, they manipulate all metals to prop up fiat.


Why manipulate what you hold? If the price is high, sell, if it's low, buy. Because the entire metals market is not spit in a bucket compared to paper, in terms of volume.

[Neuro]

Interesting... but I intend to bug out, not flee...
Interesting nevertheless...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-12/crossing-borders-gold-and-silver-coins-glimpse-things-come

But I’ve recently had some disturbing experiences crossing borders with coins. Of course, crossing any national border is potentially disturbing at any time. You might find yourself interrogated, strip searched, or detained for any reason or no reason. But I suspect what happened to me in three of the last four borders I crossed could be a straw in the wind.
I’ve gradually accumulated about a dozen one-ounce silver rounds in my briefcase, some souvenirs issued by mining companies, plus others from Canada (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/canada), Australia (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/australia), China (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/china), and the US. But when I left Chile (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/chile) a couple of months ago, the person monitoring the X-ray machine stopped me and insisted I take them out and show them to her. This had never happened before, but I wrote it off to chance. Then, when I was leaving Argentina (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/argentina) a few weeks later, the same thing happened. What was really unusual was that the inspector looked at them, took them back to his supervisor, and then asked if I had any gold coins. I didn’t, he smiled, and I went on.
What really got my attention was a few weeks later when I was leaving Mauritania (http://www.internationalman.com/articles/tag/mauritania), one of the world’s more backward countries. Here, I was also questioned about the silver coins. A supervisor was again called over and asked me whether I had any gold coins. Clearly, something was up....


So what’s next? I expect, as the subtle war on both cash and the transfer of capital across borders gains momentum, that gold coins are going to become the next focus of attention. So I suggest you act now to beat the last minute rush.
Have a meaningful percentage of your net worth in gold coins.

Have a significant number of those coins stored outside the country of your citizenship.

Concentrate your future purchases in small coins that are indistinguishable from loose change. Things like British sovereigns (.23 oz of gold) or their continental equivalents (French, Swiss, German, Danish, Russian, etc., pieces of generally .18 oz of gold). Not only is gold cheap now, but all of these are currently at only a few percent above melt. Happily, they have collectible value, and they resemble common pocket change to an X-ray machine.


About a month ago I was going from Turkey to Sweden. I brought a half kilo bar of silver with me. At the security control they saw it and I showed it to them. The guy took it and asked in Turkish if I had a receipt for it. No I said as none were given. He called his supervisor, I explained how much I had payed for it, small premium over spot, at one point he almost put it in the pocket, but he gave it back... First time something like this happened, and I have travelled quite frequently with gold and silver...

[mick silver]

silver all the way to the bank in time it will make a run that's never been seen

[madfranks]

About a month ago I was going from Turkey to Sweden. I brought a half kilo bar of silver with me. At the security control they saw it and I showed it to them. The guy took it and asked in Turkish if I had a receipt for it. No I said as none were given. He called his supervisor, I explained how much I had payed for it, small premium over spot, at one point he almost put it in the pocket, but he gave it back... First time something like this happened, and I have travelled quite frequently with gold and silver...

I got flagged at the TSA for a silver bar in my carry-on bag. I guess because it was a dense square object it triggered a mandatory search. Never happened before though, so I don't know what changed. The guy just wanted to know what it was, at least he didn't ask me what I was doing with it or what I paid for it or why I had it. Once he saw it was a silver bar he let me go. But it left me with a bad feeling, so I don't fly with silver anymore.

[ximmy]

If your going to buy today, here is your special...

At $17.00 coin, these are a steal.
https://smhttp-ssl-12068.nexcesscdn.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/0/2016_1_oz_silver_britannia.jpg

http://www.providentmetals.com/2016-1-oz-silver-britannia.html

[Hitch]

Dang, and a buy back price of $15.56. That's a pretty good spread they offer.

Thanks ximmy, I've snatched up some deals on silver over the years because of you. I'd jump at this if I wasn't hit with so many bills lately.

[monty]

I bought 20 of the maples, my brain went to mush, thinking I was buying a tube. I'd buy some britannias too, but I don't really like coins with her face on them.

[ximmy]

I bought 20 of the maples, my brain went to mush, thinking I was buying a tube. I'd buy some britannias too, but I don't really like coins with her face on them.


That's happened to me before... bummer.

[mick silver]

Buy 2015 1 oz American Silver Eagles for as low as only $2.59 over spot http://www.providentmetals.com/2015-1-oz-american-silver-eagle-20-count.html

[ximmy]

Buy 2015 1 oz American Silver Eagles for as low as only $2.59 over spot http://www.providentmetals.com/2015-1-oz-american-silver-eagle-20-count.html

ASE's are coming out my ears...

I did buy another roll of Britannia's ;D

http://cdn.bgasc.com/images/uploads/S_BRT_2016_1_OZ_X025-01-thumb.jpg

[monty]

ASE's are coming out my ears...

You can send the excess to me!