Turks down Russian fighter

[Glass]

Not sure if it is a fighter or a bomber. 2 pilots. Intercepted by F16's

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Fighter

https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/


A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn’t violated Turkish airspace and was flying at an altitude of 6,000 meters.
“During the flight, the aircraft was flying within the borders of Syria, which was registered by objective monitoring data,” the ministry said (http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12066609@egNews), adding that the aircraft was "supposedly shot down from the ground.”



Turkey says A2A, Russia says S2A.

[Neuro]

Let it begin!

[JohnQPublic]

Let it begin!


Might make your next holiday less pleasant.

[steyr_m]

Supposed to be an SU-24. Since it landed in Syria, and there's a video with Syrian "Rebels" surrounding the [dead?] pilot -- I cry BS for it entering Turk airspace.

It could be our "Franz Ferdinand" moment.

[Neuro]

Might make your next holiday less pleasant.
I work in Turkey. I take holiday in Sweden. I'm in Turkey right now since two days, go back to Sweden next Saturday!

[steyr_m]

And what is the mood, or what are the people saying there?

[Neuro]

Supposed to be an SU-24. Since it landed in Syria, and there's a video with Syrian "Rebels" surrounding the [dead?] pilot -- I cry BS for it entering Turk airspace.

It could be our "Franz Ferdinand" moment.
I think so too. NATO shot down a Russian jet fighter which probably didn't enter Turkish airspace. But they felt the need to protect their friends in ISIS.

[JohnQPublic]

I work in Turkey. I take holiday in Sweden. I'm in Turkey right now since two days, go back to Sweden next Saturday!

Stay safe, Neuro! We would hate to lose you, and it would be a GSUS security concern to have a high ranking ex-moderator in enemy hands :) (not sure exactly who the enemy is at this point). I know only the border areas are effected, but chaos has a tendency to spread quickly.

[Glass]

Russian Pilots Executed While Parachuting: Turkish Media

If Putin was angry when Turkey shot down a Russian plane, which may or may not have crossed Turkish territory - reports on both sides are conflicting - he will be absolutely livid to learn that, according to Turkey's Dogan News, the Russian pilots who had parachuted in an attempt to save their lives after the plane was shot down, had been executed while parachuting down by local rebels, which considering the video released earlier belonged to the Free Syrian Army (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/us-backed-rebels-release-video-dead-russian-pilot), are same "rebels" who are funded directly by the CIA.



Both Russian pilots shot dead while parachuting down says Dogan News Agency citing Turkmen opposition commander
— Fercan Yalinkilic (@FercanY) November 24, 2015 (https://twitter.com/FercanY/status/669155122480594944)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJ7Q097gXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJ7Q097gXM

breaches YT policy on violence and death and such but I'm sure it will be allowed in this case.

from ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/russian-pilots-executed-while-parachuting-turkish-media)

[steyr_m]

I work in Turkey. I take holiday in Sweden. I'm in Turkey right now since two days, go back to Sweden next Saturday!

Yeah, you're a chiropractor or something, right?

[Neuro]

And what is the mood, or what are the people saying there?
I was very busy today so I didn't have much time to speak to people. I spoke to one guy shortly who is an energy trader for Shell and he thought it was absurd, but thought oil prices would recover soon...

[JohnQPublic]

Question: Is Russia circumventing and interfering with US policy, or in a deceptive manner are they actually carrying it out, or maybe some of both?

The general consensus is that the US supports the rebels against Assad, and opposes ISIS/ISIL while winking at them (and supplying, training, etc. them). On the other hand Getting Russia to do our dirty work would be a big help to those that want Syria taken down in any manner, and cannot muster support in Congress to do it. Ideas?

[Neuro]

Yeah, you're a chiropractor or something, right?
Yes a chiropractor!

[JohnQPublic]

A good comment from the Zerohedge article:

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Vote up!
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now we know that pushing Turkey out of NATO was one of the objectives, besides fracturing Syria into a group of provincial capitals, and for the moment anyway it seems that both sides, the US and Russia want Turkey out of NATO. the US wants Turkey out because nuclear weapons and Islamic extremists are not a good mix (see Pakistan) and Russia doesn't want the same thing either, they live close to the source. Russia needs a PR victory, after Cheney set up a whole line of new NATO countries all with nukes pointed at Moscow. maybe Turkey will be ground zero in the hunt for land for the Islamic state.

[Neuro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJ7Q097gXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJ7Q097gXM

The GOOD and Moderate rebels CIA supported, armed and trained. Allahu Fuckbar!

[Horn]

Turkey is creating the new caliphate, especially if Russia chooses to counter the attack.

What I find suspect is that the Russians add the 6000m bit to their story, either in or out of Turkish airspace, no need to add how high you are.

[Neuro]

Stay safe, Neuro! We would hate to lose you, and it would be a GSUS security concern to have a high ranking ex-moderator in enemy hands :) (not sure exactly who the enemy is at this point). I know only the border areas are effected, but chaos has a tendency to spread quickly.
Who the fuck knows where this will lead. I would imagine Russia would be tempted to cut supply of Natural Gas to Turkey, as a first step!

[JohnQPublic]

https://youtu.be/D2Lw5MqNx88


See 2:45

[mick silver]

if this is true this could be what leads us all into a big ass war that the super rich keep saying we need to thin the herd and this could be the match that start the fire who knows , everyone have a safe turkeyday

[mick silver]

Russia confirms its jet was shot down near Turkish border
http://news.yahoo.com/report-turkey-shoots-down-warplane-over-airspace-intrusion-081734904.html#

[mick silver]

comment .....Well let us see how many sides are fighting each other. First you have the Turkey, U.S., Saudi Arabia, and Syrian insurgents fighting Assad and ISIL. Then you have Russia, Iran and Assad fighting Syrian insurgents and ISIL. Then you have ISIL fighting everybody.
And now you have Turkey fighting Russia. Can anyone else see the quagmire this is becoming.

[Horn]

A Russian chopper was also downed by the insurgents in a separate event.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pilot-killed-rebels-second-missing-syria-opposition-144232835.html

[mick silver]

Turkey downs Russian warplane near Syria border, Putin warns of "serious consequences"
Russian President Vladimir Putin said the plane had been attacked when it was 1 km (0.62 mile) inside Syria and warned of "serious consequences" for what he termed a stab in the back administered by "the accomplices of terrorists".
"We will never tolerate such crimes like the one committed today," Putin said, as Russian and Turkish shares fell on fears of an escalation between the former Cold War enemies
Each country summoned a diplomatic representative of the other and NATO called a meeting of its ambassadors for Tuesday afternoon. Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov canceled a visit to Turkey due on Wednesday and the defense ministry said it was preparing measures to respond to such incidents
Read more at http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/24/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-idUSKBN0TD0IR20151124#eyxePssk3qsL4zqK.97

[mick silver]

Downing Russian jet shows Turkey supports terrorism: Syrian state agency
Read more at http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/24/us-mideast-syria-crisis-sana-idUSKBN0TD1ZF20151124#2TvDdR7UEsZPBmHd.97

[Neuro]

comment .....Well let us see how many sides are fighting each other. First you have the Turkey, U.S., Saudi Arabia, and Syrian insurgents fighting Assad and ISIL. Then you have Russia, Iran and Assad fighting Syrian insurgents and ISIL. Then you have ISIL fighting everybody.
And now you have Turkey fighting Russia. Can anyone else see the quagmire this is becoming.
Actually Turkey doesn't fight ISIL, they mainly fight the Kurdish rebels fighting ISIS, they only said they were fighting ISIS. But they supply ISIS fighters and allow them in to Turkey for hospital treatment. It is a total clusterfuck! Just wanted to clarify! ;D

[steyr_m]

Yes a chiropractor!

That's what I thought -- I remember chatting with you during the protests there in...... 2011?

[midnight rambler]

Check out the area where the alleged incursion occurred, on the ground plenty of frontier to exploit in one small space, for those inclined to cause trouble in Syria -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/24/11/2EC3C43000000578-3331558-This_image_released_by_the_Turkish_Army_reportedly _shows_the_fli-a-19_1448364132564.jpg

[Neuro]

That's what I thought -- I remember chatting with you during the protests there in...... 2011?
Summer 2013, time flies but not that fast! It feels like a really long time ago though. So much shit has hit the fan since then. Here and elsewhere!

[steyr_m]

Summer 2013, time flies but not that fast! It feels like a really long time ago though. So much shit has hit the fan since then. Here and elsewhere!

For sure...

[midnight rambler]

Since the Russians are really the only outsiders there at the invitation of the Syrian govt. (besides the Iranians) imo they just need to go ahead and setup a *no fly zone* with their S-300 and S-400 missiles.

[steyr_m]

My opinion is that Putin will not let this go. Who knows what will happen with Turkey, but look for Russian ground troops to go into the area and wipe out those gutless cowards shooting at people in a parachute.

[Neuro]

Check out the area where the alleged incursion occurred, on the ground plenty of frontier to exploit in one small space -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/24/11/2EC3C43000000578-3331558-This_image_released_by_the_Turkish_Army_reportedly _shows_the_fli-a-19_1448364132564.jpg
The red line is the Russian SU-24 I guess?

[midnight rambler]

The red line is the Russian SU-24 I guess?


Yes.

[mick silver]

on the chart midnight I cant see the line for both countrys ........ never mind i see it now

[midnight rambler]

on the chart midnight I cant see the line for both countrys ........ never mind i see it now

The blue line is the border between Syria and Turkey, alleged incursion supposedly happened over the spot where Turkey is giving Syria the finger.

[mick silver]

midnight is there a site were we can see what the people of Russia think about what has taken place

[steyr_m]

midnight is there a site were we can see what the people of Russia think about what has taken place

Yes, but it's probably in Russian. If it is in English, I wouldn't trust it [esp if it's a big site]

[Glass]

what about RT?

[steyr_m]

That's as close as I'd go, but still leery.

[Jewboo]

what about RT?

https://www.rt.com/ is way more believable than CNN and all the other jew-controlled sites

[Neuro]

My opinion is that Putin will not let this go. Who knows what will happen with Turkey, but look for Russian ground troops to go into the area and wipe out those gutless cowards shooting at people in a parachute.
I don't think he will let this go either. However he is a chess player and going after gutless cowards by putting troops on the ground is not what I think he'll do. He'll bomb the hell out of them, and puts some serious ultimatums on Turkey for gas deliveries, winter is approaching and most Turkish houses are gas heated and people here are very afraid to be cold...

[mick silver]

FSA video claims Russian-made helicopter hit with US-made TOW missile near Su-24 crash site
https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/

[Jewboo]

I don't think he will let this go either. However he is a chess player and going after gutless cowards by putting troops on the ground is not what I think he'll do. He'll bomb the hell out of them, and puts some serious ultimatums on Turkey for gas deliveries, winter is approaching and most Turkish houses are gas heated and people here are very afraid to be cold...



To screw Ukraine out of the gas transit business to EU it seems that Putin needs Turkey for the southstream...

[mick silver]

Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destory any target posing danger
Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destory any target posing danger Published time: 24 Nov, 2015 18:16Edited time: 24 Nov, 2015 18:42
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Moscow plans to suspend military cooperation with Ankara after the downing of a Russian bomber by Turkish air forces, Russian General Staff representatives said on Tuesday. Further measures to beef up Russian air base security in Syria will also be taken.
Follow LIVE UPDATES (https://www.rt.com/news/323240-russia-turkey-warplane-downed/) on Russian warplane shot down at Syria-Turkey border (https://www.rt.com/news/323240-russia-turkey-warplane-downed/)
Condemning the attack of Turkish fighter jet on the Russian bomber in the Syrian airspace “is a severe violation of the international law" Sergey Rudskoy, a top official at the Russian General Staff, stressed the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.
Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered the Syrian airspace as it went after the Russian bomber.
Turkish fighter jet has made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.

[steyr_m]

To screw Ukraine out of the gas transit business to EU it seems that Putin needs Turkey for the southstream...

I had thought of that too. Made me curious why Turkey would have their panties in a knot about Russia. I know this war started over an Iran/Iraq/Syria oil pipeline [the real reason], but they would gain from the gas pipeline......... Maybe the US pulling the strings? Nah, they'd never do that........

[Neuro]

Actually Turkey doesn't fight ISIL, they mainly fight the Kurdish rebels fighting ISIS, they only said they were fighting ISIS. But they supply ISIS fighters and allow them in to Turkey for hospital treatment. It is a total clusterfuck! Just wanted to clarify! ;D
This pretty much says the same thing:
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/323287-su24-fighter-russia-turkey-syria/

[Neuro]

To screw Ukraine out of the gas transit business to EU it seems that Putin needs Turkey for the southstream...
He can make a deal with Ukraine, they probably doesn't mind having some peace and quiet and some gas incomes now?

[mick silver]

anti-Russian posture while at the same time sabotaging the fight against ISIS with which he secretly sympathizes. So, there are a number of motives for him to act this way in my personal opinion, when you put it all together, it is quite clear why he did it.It will really poison the relations between Turkey and Russia".

[mick silver]

Putin: Downing of Russian jet over Syria stab in the back by terrorist accomplices
https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/ Turkey backstabbed Russia by downing the Russian warplane and acted as accomplices of the terrorists, Russian President Vladimir Putin said. “This incident stands out against the usual fight against terrorism. Our troops are fighting heroically against terrorists, risking their lives. But the loss we suffered today came from a stab in the back delivered by accomplices of the terrorists,” Putin said. Russia has for a long time been aware of oil going from Syria under the control of terrorists to Turkey, Putin said. The money finances terrorist groups.
“IS has big money, hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars, from selling oil. In addition they are protected by the military of an entire nation. One can understand why they are acting so boldly and blatantly. Why they kill people in such atrocious ways. Why they commit terrorist acts across the world, including in the heart of Europe,” the Russian leader said.

[mick silver]

US-backed forces have right to self-defense, but others do not - State Department
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US-backed forces have right to self-defense, but others do not - State DepartmentPublished time: 24 Nov, 2015 20:26Edited time: 24 Nov, 2015 20:38
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Turkey and the rebels it backs northern Syria had the right to defend themselves against Russian airstrikes, State Department spokesman told reporters. The rebels reportedly killed one Russian pilot who ejected from the jet hit by a Turkish missile.
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During the regular press briefing, Mark Toner said the Syrian government did not have such a right, though.
When asked by RT's Gayane Chichakyan if the State Department considered the rebels who reportedly killed the Russian pilots "moderates," Toner replied:
"We’ve seen conflicting reports. One pilot may not have been killed. If these ‘Turkomen’ were actually being attacked by Russian strikes, they have every right to defend themselves.”
AP's diplomatic correspondent Matt Lee asked a follow up question.
"Doesn’t that apply to everyone, not just rebels backed by West? Including the Assad regime?"
What the Assad regime was doing "is not self-defense," Toner countered, arguing that the government in Damascus responded to "peaceful protests with four years of terror."

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When other reporters questioned his description of the Syrian conflict as a "peaceful protest," Toner brushed them off by saying that "everyone in this room knows what happened."
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Toner repeated several times that Washington stood by Turkey as a NATO ally, and its "right to protect its sovereign airspace”, while refusing to comment on the specifics of this morning's downing of a Russian jet because, by his admission, he had no details yet.
The State Department spokesman confirmed the US was supplying TOW missiles – seen in a video purportedly showing the rebels destroying a Russian search-and-rescue helicopter – to the "moderates" in northern Syria who were supposedly battling Islamic State forces.
Another revelation at the briefing on Tuesday was that the "de-confliction" mechanism established between the US and Russia last month to avoid clashes in the skies over Syria did not apply to any other members of the US-led coalition.
Asked by Chichakyan if the State Department would condemn the rebels’ use of US-supplied missiles against a Russian rescue helicopter, Toner replied that Syria was a “very complex environment.”
Repeating that Russia was supporting Assad and directing airstrikes against the “moderate Syrian opposition,” he said that this only increased the urgency to speed up the political transition, so that everyone could focus on fighting Islamic State.

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[Neuro]

US-backed forces have right to self-defense, but others do not - State Department
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Turkey and the rebels it backs northern Syria had the right to defend themselves against Russian airstrikes, State Department spokesman told reporters. The rebels reportedly killed one Russian pilot who ejected from the jet hit by a Turkish missile.
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During the regular press briefing, Mark Toner said the Syrian government did not have such a right, though.
When asked by RT's Gayane Chichakyan if the State Department considered the rebels who reportedly killed the Russian pilots "moderates," Toner replied:
"We’ve seen conflicting reports. One pilot may not have been killed. If these ‘Turkomen’ were actually being attacked by Russian strikes, they have every right to defend themselves.”
AP's diplomatic correspondent Matt Lee asked a follow up question.
"Doesn’t that apply to everyone, not just rebels backed by West? Including the Assad regime?"
What the Assad regime was doing "is not self-defense," Toner countered, arguing that the government in Damascus responded to "peaceful protests with four years of terror."

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When other reporters questioned his description of the Syrian conflict as a "peaceful protest," Toner brushed them off by saying that "everyone in this room knows what happened."
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Toner repeated several times that Washington stood by Turkey as a NATO ally, and its "right to protect its sovereign airspace”, while refusing to comment on the specifics of this morning's downing of a Russian jet because, by his admission, he had no details yet.
The State Department spokesman confirmed the US was supplying TOW missiles – seen in a video purportedly showing the rebels destroying a Russian search-and-rescue helicopter – to the "moderates" in northern Syria who were supposedly battling Islamic State forces.
Another revelation at the briefing on Tuesday was that the "de-confliction" mechanism established between the US and Russia last month to avoid clashes in the skies over Syria did not apply to any other members of the US-led coalition.
Asked by Chichakyan if the State Department would condemn the rebels’ use of US-supplied missiles against a Russian rescue helicopter, Toner replied that Syria was a “very complex environment.”
Repeating that Russia was supporting Assad and directing airstrikes against the “moderate Syrian opposition,” he said that this only increased the urgency to speed up the political transition, so that everyone could focus on fighting Islamic State.

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The US GOV really are maniacs. They had an agreement with Russia a month ago not to attack each other, but now they say that doesn't apply to any other in the US-led coalition, and they support each coalition partner in using force against Russia. You can't look upon it any other way, they are pressing for WWIII! All for that shitty little country in the Middle East!

[steyr_m]

The US GOV really are maniacs. They had an agreement with Russia a month ago not to attack each other, but now they say that doesn't apply to any other in the US-led coalition, and they support each coalition partner in using force against Russia. You can't look upon it any other way, they are pressing for WWIII! All for that shitty little country in the Middle East!

yeah, but remember: 1.) I mentioned the oil pipeline 2.) They are considered a threat to Israel [Assad has to go] 3.) There still isn't a Rothschild controlled bank there.

[Neuro]

yeah, but remember: 1.) I mentioned the oil pipeline 2.) They are considered a threat to Israel [Assad has to go] 3.) There still isn't a Rothschild controlled bank there.
The shitty little country I mentioned was referring to Israel

[mick silver]

I also think we are headed to a place that we may not be able to come back from . they keep pushing shit and it will blow up

[vacuum]

Not my post but this gives good insight:

According to the Turkish own letter to UN, the incursion into their airspace lasted 17 seconds. (and they have reason to lie to make it seem longer) https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/669188253279473664
according to their own map of the flight path they released, the planes grazed the very tip of a long spike of Turkey that projects deep into Syrian land, during a circling maneuver over Syria.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets
This article contains the picture of the flight path according to Turkey.
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Turkey/@35.8192565,36.1265479,13.5z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x14b0155c964f2671:0x40d9dbd42a625 f2a (https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Turkey/@35.8192565,36.1265479,13.5z/data=%214m2%213m1%211s0x14b0155c964f2671:0x40d9dbd 42a625f2a)
You can use Google maps measuring tool to see that's 2km distance at most. For SU-24 to take 17 seconds to cross it, would need to fly veeeeeery slowly for that jet. Highly likely Turkey is inflating that number.
So from the above it follows that this part:

Per Turkey, they'd told the pilots several times they were in Turkish airspace and GTFO. Ultimately, Turkey sent up two F-16s and shot one of the Russian jets down.
just can't be true. Not nearly enough time for them to have issued warnings as they claim to have done (even on approach to the border, because according to their own published flight path, the plane was in the process of turning around in Syrian airspace when it grazed the Turkish airspace)

[mick silver]

The Russian planes are described in a document, published by WikiLeaks and Al Jazeera, as aircraft “the nationality of which is unknown.”
Turkey's statement: Claims Russia violated airspace for just "17 seconds" with very slow 243 miles/hour jet. pic.twitter.com/knhdy0RWIA (https://t.co/knhdy0RWIA)
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9:24 AM - 24 Nov 2015



The letter allegedly from Turkish UN Ambassador Halit Cevik reiterates Ankara’s claim

[vacuum]

Looks like Turkey is trying to pick a fight. Apparently they don't like ISIS being bombed.

They were getting cheap oil from ISIS as well. What a little bitch country. (sorry Neuro...)

[midnight rambler]

Russian version, blue is path of F-16, looks more like F-16 made incursion into Syria by this -

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUmUY-FW4AIYh0u.png

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates#block-5654b6d8e4b0f4d54c31afdb

[Horn]

The US GOV really are maniacs. They had an agreement with Russia a month ago not to attack each other

They're both nuts for being in Syria. If there is indeed some oil pipeline that Russia needs to protect there imo they're way too late in the game for that.

From what I know Russia was requested to eliminate ISIS by Merkel and Euro partners after the great migration started to take place, that makes no sense for Russia to grant their requests either. IMO, its just a pandoras box to weed out extreme Islam and keep it burning.

If that's the game plan, U.S. has a smarter strategy of handing them dynamite to blow each other up with. All others are just moving to the beat of elite drumming, Tehran included. Nobody but Obama and Turkey is concerned either way over Assad or Syria's lack of a central bank, that appears a done deal when the smoke settles.

I doubt anything will come out of it except more international oversight per Putin's request.

[vacuum]

Putin's statement:
"This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey."

"Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists."

"Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe."

"We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours."

"Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? I understand that every state has its own regional interests and we’ve always respected that, but we will never allow the kind of crime that happened to today to take place. And of course we hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil."



More details from Putin's press conference:

"We have long been recording the movement of a large amount of oil and petroleum products to Turkey from Isis-occupied territories. This explains the significant funding the terrorists are receiving. Now they are stabbing us in the back by hitting our planes that are fighting terrorism. This is happening despite the agreement we have signed with our American partners to prevent air incidents, and, as you know, Turkey is among those who are supposed to be fighting terrorism within the American coalition."

"If Isis is making so much money – we are talking about tens or maybe even hundreds of millions, possibly billions of dollars – in oil trade and they are supported by the armed forces of an entire state, it is clear why they are being so daring and impudent, why they are killing people in such gruesome ways, why they are committing terrorist attacks all over the world, including in the heart of Europe."

[General of Darkness]

I have a feeling Putin is going to put a beat down on someone. This is going to get very serious very quickly

[Horn]

Why doesn't Putin takeout the oil infrastructure if that's where ISIS receives funding?

There couldn't be many more Syrians living off of it, they're all in Europe.

[vacuum]

Turkey completely breached the NATO Rules of Engagement for intercepting aircraft:

YOU MUST VISUALLY INTERCEPT THE AIRCRAFT AND HAVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE PILOT

IF THE AIRCRAFT IS ON AN EXIT COURSE OF AN EXTREMELY NARROW BAND OF AIRSPACE, INTERCEPTION IS UNCALLED FOR

AT THE HALFWAY POINT, AN AIRCRAFT ENCROACHING UPON AIRSPACE IF ON AN EXIT COURSE, HAS COMPLIED WITH WARNINGS AND ORDERS AND CANNOT BE FIRED UPON

THE MINUTE THE AIRCRAFT IS OUT OF YOUR AIRSPACE, IT CANNOT BE FIRED UPON AND YOU MUST TURN AROUND AND GO HOME

IF YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF AN AIRCRAFT OPERATING CLOSE TO THE BORDER, ACCIDENTAL ENCROACHMENT IS ALLOWED AND NECESSITATES NO SCRAMBLE OR INTERCEPTION, UNLESS THE AIRCRAFT IS ON A PATH INTO YOUR COUNTRY WITH NO DEFINED EXIT POINT. IF THE AIRCRAFT IS MILITARY AND CLEARLY ARMED, AN AIRBORNE SENTRY CONSISTING OF AN INTERCEPTION SQUADRON IS ENCOURAGED TO FLY A HOLDING PATTERN ALONG THE BORDER FOR QUICK TURNAROUND. (NOTE, THAT DOESNT HAVE SHOOTDOWN OR EVEN RADAR LOCK ANYWHERE IN THE DEFINITION OF TURN AROUND)

DO NOT FIRE UPON AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS LEAVING OR HAS LEFT AIRSPACE. IT IS AN ACT OF WAR THAT BARS YOU FROM INCITING ARTICLE 5, AS NATO IS A DEFENSIVE MILITARY ORGANIZATION AND ARTICLE 5 ONLY COVERS A NATION ATTACKING A NATO COUNTRY WITHOUT DIRECT PROVOCATION OF THAT COUNTRY, OR AN OBJECTIVE ACT OF WAR AGAINST YOUR NOW PRESENT AGGRESSOR.

http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_archives/20121128_19530312_NU_SHAPE-282-53_Rules_for_Engagement_of_Unidentifie.pdf

[General of Darkness]

Turkey completely breached the NATO Rules of Engagement for intercepting aircraft:

YOU MUST VISUALLY INTERCEPT THE AIRCRAFT AND HAVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE PILOT

IF THE AIRCRAFT IS ON AN EXIT COURSE OF AN EXTREMELY NARROW BAND OF AIRSPACE, INTERCEPTION IS UNCALLED FOR

AT THE HALFWAY POINT, AN AIRCRAFT ENCROACHING UPON AIRSPACE IF ON AN EXIT COURSE, HAS COMPLIED WITH WARNINGS AND ORDERS AND CANNOT BE FIRED UPON

THE MINUTE THE AIRCRAFT IS OUT OF YOUR AIRSPACE, IT CANNOT BE FIRED UPON AND YOU MUST TURN AROUND AND GO HOME

IF YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF AN AIRCRAFT OPERATING CLOSE TO THE BORDER, ACCIDENTAL ENCROACHMENT IS ALLOWED AND NECESSITATES NO SCRAMBLE OR INTERCEPTION, UNLESS THE AIRCRAFT IS ON A PATH INTO YOUR COUNTRY WITH NO DEFINED EXIT POINT. IF THE AIRCRAFT IS MILITARY AND CLEARLY ARMED, AN AIRBORNE SENTRY CONSISTING OF AN INTERCEPTION SQUADRON IS ENCOURAGED TO FLY A HOLDING PATTERN ALONG THE BORDER FOR QUICK TURNAROUND. (NOTE, THAT DOESNT HAVE SHOOTDOWN OR EVEN RADAR LOCK ANYWHERE IN THE DEFINITION OF TURN AROUND)

DO NOT FIRE UPON AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS LEAVING OR HAS LEFT AIRSPACE. IT IS AN ACT OF WAR THAT BARS YOU FROM INCITING ARTICLE 5, AS NATO IS A DEFENSIVE MILITARY ORGANIZATION AND ARTICLE 5 ONLY COVERS A NATION ATTACKING A NATO COUNTRY WITHOUT DIRECT PROVOCATION OF THAT COUNTRY, OR AN OBJECTIVE ACT OF WAR AGAINST YOUR NOW PRESENT AGGRESSOR.

http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_archives/20121128_19530312_NU_SHAPE-282-53_Rules_for_Engagement_of_Unidentifie.pdf

Yup this is going to turn into a shit storm.

[midnight rambler]

Turkey completely breached the NATO Rules of Engagement for intercepting aircraft:

YOU MUST VISUALLY INTERCEPT THE AIRCRAFT AND HAVE VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE PILOT

IF THE AIRCRAFT IS ON AN EXIT COURSE OF AN EXTREMELY NARROW BAND OF AIRSPACE, INTERCEPTION IS UNCALLED FOR

AT THE HALFWAY POINT, AN AIRCRAFT ENCROACHING UPON AIRSPACE IF ON AN EXIT COURSE, HAS COMPLIED WITH WARNINGS AND ORDERS AND CANNOT BE FIRED UPON

THE MINUTE THE AIRCRAFT IS OUT OF YOUR AIRSPACE, IT CANNOT BE FIRED UPON AND YOU MUST TURN AROUND AND GO HOME

IF YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF AN AIRCRAFT OPERATING CLOSE TO THE BORDER, ACCIDENTAL ENCROACHMENT IS ALLOWED AND NECESSITATES NO SCRAMBLE OR INTERCEPTION, UNLESS THE AIRCRAFT IS ON A PATH INTO YOUR COUNTRY WITH NO DEFINED EXIT POINT. IF THE AIRCRAFT IS MILITARY AND CLEARLY ARMED, AN AIRBORNE SENTRY CONSISTING OF AN INTERCEPTION SQUADRON IS ENCOURAGED TO FLY A HOLDING PATTERN ALONG THE BORDER FOR QUICK TURNAROUND. (NOTE, THAT DOESNT HAVE SHOOTDOWN OR EVEN RADAR LOCK ANYWHERE IN THE DEFINITION OF TURN AROUND)

DO NOT FIRE UPON AN AIRCRAFT THAT IS LEAVING OR HAS LEFT AIRSPACE. IT IS AN ACT OF WAR THAT BARS YOU FROM INCITING ARTICLE 5, AS NATO IS A DEFENSIVE MILITARY ORGANIZATION AND ARTICLE 5 ONLY COVERS A NATION ATTACKING A NATO COUNTRY WITHOUT DIRECT PROVOCATION OF THAT COUNTRY, OR AN OBJECTIVE ACT OF WAR AGAINST YOUR NOW PRESENT AGGRESSOR.

http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_archives/20121128_19530312_NU_SHAPE-282-53_Rules_for_Engagement_of_Unidentifie.pdf

It's very apparent Turkey (and whomever else) is poking the bear with a sharp stick in order to start something or exacerbate something.

[midnight rambler]

I have a feeling Putin is going to put a beat down on someone. This is going to get very serious very quickly

It's turkey season in the ME. Expect birds to be falling out of the sky.


"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.

https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/

[Horn]

Maybe that other commenter was correct that they want Turkey out of NATO so they can do the same to it that do to Syria. I find that to be a hard press, Turkman is big in Germany and all of E.U.

Putin should get his request for NWO oversight of operations regardless.

[Horn]

https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/

One guy in the comments there brings up a good point that the video footage of fighter jet going down and helicopter blowing up were made with professional equipment, hints to being preplanned.

not ordinary run of the mill cellphone footage.

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTVwHXGfvI

[BrewTech]

The GOOD and Moderate rebels CIA supported, armed and trained. Allahu Fuckbar!


Both vids have been removed by YouTube.

[Neuro]

Both vids have been removed by YouTube.
It was a vid with the dead Russian pilot lying on the ground with a bunch of bearded trolls laughing and chanting allahu akhbar, at the courtesy of the FREE SYRIAN ARMY. Someone probably mentioned to them that Obama's statement that he supports only MODERATE rebels, and that his view that they are moderate is severely tested at these times and this video doesn't really help them securing future funding, arms and training, if it remains on YouTube...

[Glass]

there was some suggestion that the pilot was not dead but unconscious and injured. Other pilot was apparently confirmed dead. Don't know who said what but everyone seems to have something to say on the matter.

[Jewboo]

http://8ch.net/pol/src/1448424765691.jpg

From FullChan....................Ha Ha

[JohnQPublic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTVwHXGfvI

Ergodan is to April Gaspie as Syria (and ultimately Iran) is to Iraq

[Neuro]

The Russian planes are described in a document, published by WikiLeaks and Al Jazeera, as aircraft “the nationality of which is unknown.”
Turkey's statement: Claims Russia violated airspace for just "17 seconds" with very slow 243 miles/hour jet. pic.twitter.com/knhdy0RWIA (https://t.co/knhdy0RWIA)
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9:24 AM - 24 Nov 2015



The letter allegedly from Turkish UN Ambassador Halit Cevik reiterates Ankara’s claim
They say that it was 2 planes, so the 17 seconds could have been 8-9 secs each. But still it appears an act of war according to the letter in the NATO rules of engagement, in terms of actual threat these planes posed to Turkey it was definitely an act of war!

Turkish government has been rambling the last week prior to this incident about the poor Sunni Turkmen in Syria (about 15% of all Turkmen in Syria, the rest of the Turkmens are aliwites and the Turkish government considers them enemy), and apparently this is a territory controlled by Sunni Turkmen, so the shooting down should be seen in this context I think.

[mick silver]

Turkey is a corrupt, jihadist shit hole which has been protecting & financing ISIS for years.

[mick silver]

Turkey's Jet Shoot-Down Part of Long War With Russia -http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/jet.jpgNATO urges calm after Turkey downs Russian jet ... NATO and UN urge a de-escalation in tensions between Ankara and Moscow after Turkish planes shot down Russian jet. ... NATO has called on Turkey and Russia to show restraint as tensions rise in the wake of the downing of a Russian jet near the Turkey-Syria border. The Russian warplane was shot down for violating Turkish airspace on Tuesday morning, Turkish officials said, angering Russia's President Vladimir Putin, who likened the incident to being "stabbed in the back". According to Russia Today, Russia's defence ministry has announced that it is suspending its military cooperation with Turkey following the incident. – Al Jazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/nato-turkey-russian-jet-syria-151124181649801.html)
Dominant Social Theme: Let cooler heads prevail.
Free-Market Analysis: It's nice that NATO (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1854/) is concerned about world peace. Russia seems angrier. Following Turkey's downing of a Russian jet near the Syrian-Turkey border, Vladimir Putin called Turkey's actions a "stab in the back."
What Putin meant by this was that Russia was removing ISIS from Syria, presumably a goal shared with NATO. Yet Turkey, a NATO country, shot down a Russian jet involved in fighting a common enemy.
According to Al Jazeera, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said Tuesday night that NATO supports Turkey but urged calm for both sides.
"As we have repeatedly made clear, we stand in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of our NATO ally, Turkey," Stoltenberg reportedly said after an emergency meeting of NATO. "I look forward to further contacts between Ankara and Moscow and call for calm and de-escalation. Diplomacy and de-escalation are important to resolve this situation," he said.
Putin was a good deal blunter. "Today's loss is linked to a stab in the back delivered to us by accomplices of terrorists," he is reported as saying. "I cannot qualify what happened today as anything else. Our plane was shot down over the territory of Syria by an air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 jet. It fell in Syrian territory four kilometres from the border with Turkey. Our pilots and our plane did not in any way threaten Turkey."
Of course, really Putin cannot be blamed for feeling this way. NATO and the Anglosphere (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/956/) generally have been pushing Putin relentlessly. First there was the standoff with Georgia, and then when that was resolved, the West went after Ukraine. Now the West is in Syria, trying to consolidate that country's alliances as it pushes out the Assad regime.
Syria is the last domino. After that, there is only Russia itself. Of course, Russia is not Libya, Iraq or even Syria. Russia is a big country with a motivated population and advanced weapons. What the West wants, then, is at the very least a military standoff with Russia.
Presumably this is necessary because the West's economic system is in shambles. Central banking (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2958/) can only create a faux expansion for so long before economies collapse. Bubble economies inevitably give way to recessions and depressions. And that's where war comes in.
We can see this played out before World War II, when nothing the West tried to do worked. Keynesian (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/831/) remedies were no more utile than any other kind. The only thing that can be done is to let bankrupt firms collapse.
But in this case, such a collapse would mean the end of the current economic system. And that is not feasible from the point of view of those who run it. And thus, there is a need for war and when it comes to Russia, at least significant military tensions.
Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2317/), whose work we follow, is more cognizant than most when it comes to this particular militaristic paradigm. His recent article (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/24/turkey-has-destroyed-russias-delusion-of-western-cooperation-paul-craig-roberts/), "Turkey Has Destroyed Russia's Hope Of Western Cooperation," deals with the reality of what's actually taking place rather than the rhetoric.
Turkey's unprovoked shoot-down of a Russian military aircraft over Syria raises interesting questions. It seems unlikely that the Turkish government would commit an act of war against a much more powerful neighbor unless Washington had cleared the attack.
Turkey's government is not very competent, but even the incompetent know better than to put themselves into a position of facing Russia alone. If the attack was cleared with Washington, was Obama bypassed by the neocons (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2944/) who control his government, or is Obama himself complicit?
Roberts is speculating here on why Turkey shot down the Russian jet. He doesn't believe for a moment that Turkey was merely defending its borders.
This is because Roberts sees the Middle East wars in totality. He implies that the disparate military gambits are really part of one effort, writing, "Throughout the entire Washington orchestrated conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, and Ukraine, the Russian government has spoken reasonably and responded in a diplomatic manner to the many provocations."
Notice the word "provocations." Just as we do, Roberts sees Russia as the ultimate prize. For one reason or another, the US wants to grapple directly with Russia. He is hopeful that the downing of the Russian jet shall finally disabuse Putin of the idea that he should cooperate with the West, and the Pentagon in particular.
He writes that the "silver lining" of the shoot-down may be to "save" the Russian government from making a mistake by joining a coalition with the West against ISIS.
"Diplomacy has now proven to be a dead-end," he writes. "If Russia does not join the real game and begin to play its strong cards, Russia will be defeated."
This is his bluntest statement, acknowledging that the West's various provocations are really part of the long war against Russia itself, and perhaps even China if the West pushes Russia too hard.
More and more this is an Orwellian-looking strategy that divides the world into three warring entities in order keep the military-industrial complex (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1864/) in business and free markets (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1942/) – and freedom generally – at bay.
It is certainly not clear that the West wants a thermonuclear war but there are forces in the West that obviously would be pleased to exist in a perpetual state of military tension with other great powers.
Conclusion: As we've pointed out, existing within this paradigm is not a very pleasant prospect. We urge all those who can to seek the kind of lifestyle insurance that provides them with alternative approaches and a maximum degree of independence.
- See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/36659/Turkeys-Jet-Shoot-Down-Part-of-Long-War-With-Russia/#sthash.8WKLC3bE.dpuf

[mick silver]

Putin sends air-defense missiles to Syria to deter Turkey
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pilot-rescued-syrian-commando-unit-101718676.html#

[Horn]

Putin sends air-defense missiles to Syria to deter Turkey
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pilot-rescued-syrian-commando-unit-101718676.html#

Hopefully he's manning those with his own boots, not some Malaysian flight filled with corpses misfire guy.

Though I'm sure if that happens again and with Russian boots, it will turn into a Syrian's boots.

[mick silver]

Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - Lavrov Published time: 25 Nov, 2015 11:34Edited time: 25 Nov, 2015 15:57
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Russian Foreign Affairs Minister Sergei Lavrov. © Iliya Pitalev / Sputnik


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The downing of a Russian warplane in Syria by Turkey appears to be a pre-planned provocation, the Russian Foreign Minister said. Ankara failed to communicate with Russia over the incident, he added.
TrendsRussian anti-terror op in Syria (https://www.rt.com/trends/russia-syria-op/)

LIVE UPDATES: Russian warplane shot down at Syria-Turkey border (https://www.rt.com/news/323240-russia-turkey-warplane-downed/)
“We have serious doubts that this act was unintentional. It looks very much like a preplanned provocation,” Lavrov said, citing Turkey’s failure to maintain proper communication with Russia, the abundance of footage of the incident and other evidence.
Lavrov added that many Russian partners called the incident “an obvious ambush.”
Earlier in the day, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu slammed Russia for "attacks on Turkmen" in Syria, which according to Ankara preceded the incident with the downed Su-24.

The Russian FM said the region where the incident happened is not just home to Turkmen people. There are also hundreds of foreign fighters affiliated with known terrorist groups and elements of their infrastructure such as weapons depots and command points there, he said.
“I asked [Turkish FM Çavuşoğlu] whether Turkey’s close attention to this region, including the calls to create a buffer zone there, was motivated by a desire to protect this infrastructure from destruction. I didn’t receive any reply to this question,” Lavrov said.
READ MORE: Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev (https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/)
He added the downing of the Russian warplane occurred shortly after a series of airstrikes on terrorist oil convoys and facilities by the Russian Air Force. The incident “sheds new light” on the issue, according to the Russian foreign minister.

The Russian diplomat criticized NATO for failing to express condolences to Russia over the loss of its troops lives.
“Very strange statements were voiced after a NATO meeting called by the Turks, which didn’t express any regret or condolences and in effect were aimed at covering up what the Turkish Air Force did yesterday,” Lavrov said. “A similar reaction came from the European Union.”
Lavrov reiterated the statements of the Russian Defense Ministry, which denied Ankara’s allegations that the Russian warplane had violated Turkish airspace.

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He added that even if Turkey’s words were taken on face value, its actions contradict its own position expressed in 2012, after Syria took down a Turkish military plane. At the time, then-Prime Minister Erdogan told the Turkish parliament that a short incursion into another nation’s airspace cannot justify an attack on it.
Russia’s relations with Syria will change after the attack on the Russian plane, Lavrov said, adding that Turkey, which is now calling for dialogue, should have done more to communicate with Russia prior to and right after the incident.

Moscow will measure its response to limit the harm done to Turkish and Russian businessmen, who had nothing to do with the incident, and would decide on a proper action, Lavrov said.
“We cannot fail to react to what happened. Not because we must retaliate. It’s just that there are too many issues in Turkey that pose a direct terrorist threat to our citizens. And not only ours,” he said.
Lavrov said after canceling his planned visit to Istanbul that Moscow doesn’t indent to send any senior officials to Turkey or receive any senior Turkish officials. At the same time, phone channels remain open, as evidenced by the call with Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.
The Russian minister said there was a question of American involvement in the downing of the Russian plane. According to his sources, the US demands all members of the anti-IS coalition led by Washington, who use US-made military aircraft, coordinate all deployments with the US military.
“I wonder if this demand of the Americans covers… Turkey. If it does, I wonder whether Turkey asked permission from the US to fly its US-made planes and take down – let’s say 'an unidentified' – plane over Syrian territory,” Lavrov said.

The senior Russian diplomat said the problems at the Turkish-Syrian border could be solved by simply closing it, as suggested by French President Francois Hollande during his meeting with US President Barack Obama in Washington.
“President Hollande suggested measures to close the Turkish-Syrian border to stop the flow of militants and finances to terrorists. It’s remarkable that President Obama didn’t react to it. I believe it’s a good suggestion and that during the visit tomorrow President Hollande will tell us details. We are prepared to consider these measures in earnest. Many people say that sealing the border would effectively eliminate the terrorist threat in Syria,” Lavrov said.
LISTEN MORE:

[mick silver]

Moscow to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria https://www.rt.com/news/323379-s400-russia-syria-airbase/

[mick silver]

Turkish embassy in Moscow pelted by stones as angry crowds protest Su-24 downing (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
https://www.rt.com/news/323426-turkey-embassy-moscow-protests/

[mick silver]

did you post this shami https://www.rt.com/news/323378-hashtag-stand-with-russia/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUmHxpDUwAAG6nj.jpg

[Horn]

the downing was a preplanned provocation

and we're doing everything we can to be provoked by placing ourselves in harms way, lol

Serg and his Russian clowns are like puppet theater.

The aim as far as I can tell is to keep squashing radical Haji, while also having the Russian people pay whatever little they can scrape together for it.

and with International NWO oversight pleaded and begged for.

[mick silver]

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[monty]

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[mick silver]

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/24/9794816/turkey-russia-plane-galeotti VIDEO: Syria's war, explained

[Horn]

More puppet theater staging requests for NWO International community input, Russia is fast becoming champion to the U.N.


‘Well-staged shot in back’: Intl community slams Turkey’s attack on Russian jet
https://www.rt.com/news/323427-downed-jet-world-reaction/

[mick silver]

Nuclear War Over Turkey Shooting Down Russian Jet ‘Likely’ – Russia’s Top Defense Analyst
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/russia-vs-turkey-nuclear-war-likely/

[mick silver]

Turkey Warns Russia it Will Blockade Bosphorus if Violence Occurs http://ukrainianpolicy.com/turkey-warns-russia-it-will-blockade-bosphorus/

[mick silver]

According to diplomatic sources, Turkey has threatened Russia with a blockade of the Bosphorus Strait
The threat to close the Bosphorus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus) to Russia comes from a report by Hvylya (http://hvylya.org/news/exclusive/turtsiya-prigrozila-perekryit-bosfor-esli-rossiya-napadet-na-ukrainu-diplomaticheskiy-istochnik.html), citing a Turkish diplomatic source. According to the source, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan yesterday spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the phone and warned of the consequences for conflict with Ukraine. The Hvylya source was also reported on by UNIAN (http://www.unian.net/politics/897573-turtsiya-prigrozila-perekryit-bosfor-dlya-rossiyskih-sudov-smi.html).
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Concerns were also raised about the possible threat to ethnic Crimean Tatars in the region, citing recent murders and communications with Tatar leadership. Erdogan’s call to Putin warned that if Russia invades Ukraine, and so-called ‘Crimean self-defense’ forces engage in violence against the Tatar minority, Turkey will be forced to close passage into the Black Sea to Russian ships.
Extranational protection of ethnic minorities was originally used as pretext for the Russian invasion of Crimea.
In a separate announcement, Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ahmet Davutoglu, said (http://en.trend.az/news/politics/2253579.html) Moscow was pursing “self-willed policy” in the region and urged Russia to respect the territorial integrity of its neighboring countries. “The security of Tatars is the main strategic priority for Turkey,” he remarked. “Pandora’s box should not be opened. If you create a de facto situation in Ukraine, this will have a domino effect on all the countries in the Eurasia region,” Davutoglu said in televised remarks (http://en.trend.az/regions/met/turkey/2253533.html) made the day of the Russian implemented referendum.
While the sea-port of Sevastopol has been lauded for its strategic importance as the only warm water port in the Black Sea Russia controls, restriction to it would be a self-made prison. Russian activity in the eastern basin of the Mediterranean is dependent on this passage to Crimea, and restriction would cut off arms shipments between Russia and the Syrian port in Tartus, as as well as lucrative arms deals with Egypt. As Amatzia Baram of Haaretz writes (http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.576212), “for Russian President Vladimir Putin, the Sevastopol port is indirectly the key to Syria and perhaps to Egypt and the entire Mediterranean in the future.”


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[Neuro]

Turkey Warns Russia it Will Blockade Bosphorus if Violence Occurs http://ukrainianpolicy.com/turkey-warns-russia-it-will-blockade-bosphorus/


Actually this is bullshit! According to the peace treaty following WWI, Turkey doesn't have control over what ships are able to pass through the Bosphorus. If they attempt to blockade Russian ships, they are in breach of the peace treaty, and are committing another act of war, not only against Russia, but also the other signatories of the treaty (France, Great Britain, US). If I remember correctly it was signed in Laussanne around 1924.

[midnight rambler]

Russia is fast becoming champion to the U.N.

As much as we all despise the UN, where else are they to go to get a fair hearing??

[7th trump]

As much as we all despise the UN, where else are they to go to get a fair hearing??

Ohhh how convenient...not only is rambler a communist...hes now saying the UN (brought to you by the same jewish tribe that brought the world the satanic blessing of democratic soviet communism) is fair and just........go figure!

All hail Hillary!


Hmmm.....you'da thunk if putin is such a hero he'd sidestep the UN, outlaw communism within his borders and denounce communism world wide and just show the world the hero he really is.
But we all know that's not going to happen.

[midnight rambler]

Ohhh how convenient...not only is rambler a communist...hes now saying the UN (brought to you by the same jewish tribe that brought the world the satanic blessing of democratic soviet communism) is fair and just........go figure!

All hail Hillary!

Let's hear YOUR solution for having their case heard in a good faith effort to keep the peace, Mr. I don't know the difference between a .223 and a 5.56 'cause I'm a complete fucking moron.

Everyone on this forum knows you're a member in good standing of the Satan worshiping Death Cult who can't wait for more death and destruction.

[7th trump]

Let's hear YOUR solution for having their case heard, Mr. I don't know the difference between a .223 and a 5.56 'cause I'm a complete fucking moron.

Everyone on this forum knows you're a member in good standing of the Satan worshiping Death Cult who can't wait for more death and destruction.

He volunteeringly stuck his nose in it...he has no standing to complain.

Wrong fella...I don't like your communist tribe infiltrating my country and trashing it when its they who are the filthy trash.
I am no traitor that you are.

[Spectrism]

It would not be hard to make Istanbul look like Nagasaki in 1946.

But the immediate response will be to cut their supplies, wealth and safety off. Kurds and anti-Turk insurgents will find a supplier in Russia. No more oil trucks will be going to Turkey from ISIS.

[Horn]

As much as we all despise the UN, where else are they to go to get a fair hearing??

To declare war on Turkey, or international oversight to their independent and unheard by U.N. war on terror?

The fact is you either fight for your independence or support others, not both. The later most often results in dependence and which Russia is resolved to champion in all aspects and actions.

While of course weeping from a prison cell.

[midnight rambler]

He volunteeringly stuck his nose in it...he has no standing to complain.

Wrong fella...I don't like your communist tribe infiltrating my country and trashing it when its they who are the filthy trash.
I'm am no traitor that you are.

We all know you are madly, passionately in love with the Satan worshiping Death Cult and that you eagerly await the Death Cult ramping up the wholesale death, destruction, chaos, suffering, etc. yea, you call for it.

Russia is there in Syria at the invitation of the Syrian govt. to put the smack down on your beloved fellow Satan worshipers trying to oust the secular Assad who has been putting up the good fight against your Satan worshiping pals. You can't run from this, you own it, virtually all your posts on here are in support of your beloved Satan worshiping Death Cult. Indeed, peace is entirely anathema to your perspective. I'm thinking that the mere thought of peace makes you violently ill.

[Neuro]

It would not be hard to make Istanbul look like Nagasaki in 1946.

Could you kindly tell them to drop it over Avcilar district? It would greatly aid the traffic congestion, when I go to my bug out land! Really it would be a dream coming true!

[Horn]

Could you kindly tell them to drop it over Avcilar district? It would greatly aid the traffic congestion, when I go to my bug out land!

Don't worry Neuro, the plan looks to be to wait as long as possible before destroying any banker assets and infrastructure in this deflationary cycle.

You're in safe hands with ALL U.N. Bankers,

not sure about chemical weapons clouds those would have me worried.

[Neuro]

Don't worry Neuro, the plan looks to be to wait as long as possible before destroying any banker assets and infrastructure in this deflationary cycle.

You're in safe hands with ALL U.N. Bankers,

not sure about chemical weapons clouds those would have me worried.
Perhaps a neutron bomb then? It would really improve traffic!

[mick silver]

Russia and Turkey refuse to back down in row over jet downing
http://news.yahoo.com/turkeys-erdogan-says-does-not-want-escalation-russian-084024075--business.html

[mick silver]

US has 'concerns' over Russian missile system: US official
http://news.yahoo.com/us-concerns-over-russian-missile-system-us-official-195402351.html

[singular_me]

RIGHT ON THE TARGET


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NBXYFI8Ovo


WOW!! ESCALATION MUTUALLY ASSURED
Obama supports Turkey after it shot down Russian jet
25th November 2015
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/24/439010/US-Turkey-Russian-jet

russia to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria – defense minister
25th November 2015
https://www.rt.com/news/323379-s400-russia-syria-airbase/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G48rD7-ltLw

As Obama Longs For ‘Paris Nights’, Russia Moves Missile Cruiser off Syrian Coast, Warns Turkey ‘There Are Consequences’
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/25/as-obama-longs-for-paris-nights-russia-moves-missile-cruiser-off-syrian-coast-warns-turkey-there-are-consequence/

[ximmy]

Russia Retaliation Begins?

– Ferocious Bombings and Cruise Missile Attacks Ongoing
Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:28

Russia HAS begun retaliating for the death of its downed pilot by engaging in ferocious attacks of Syrian Rebels along the border with Turkey. Dozens of aircraft and cruise missiles inbound right now. IT is a ferocious onslaught!....

Russia wasted no time in retaliating against the Turkmen for shooting at, and likely killing, the downed Russian pilot as he dropped helplessly with his parachute from his crippled aircraft. Just minutes ago, (9:00 AM EST) an enormous barrage of Russian Cruise Missiles launched from Russian warships in the Mediterranean, began exploding in the region where the Russian pilot was killed yesterday. In addition, at least twelve (12) Russian bombers / attack fighters, began precision bombing of Turkman facilities and villages in Syria, all along the Turkish border. The attack is so ferocious, Turkey put its Border Troops on elevated “alert” then raised that status to “Full Alert” because the Russian attacks just kept getting bigger....

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/574



Russian Air Force Annihilated Militants In Area Where Su-24 Was Shot Down. Erdogan Ordered Turkish Air Force Planes Be Grounded By South Front (http://www.globalresearch.ca/author/southfront)
Global Research, November 25, 2015


http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/su700-400x257.jpg
Information has come from Syrian sources that last night (24.11) the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces struck with massive attacks on the positions of militants (including Turkomans) in the region where the Russian Su-24 was brought down.
The source reported that most likely nothing remains of the militants who shot down the Russian MI-8 .
No detailed information has arrived yet.
Meanwhile, there has appeared information that the Turks are not putting their fighters in the air after the majority of them were lit up by Russian radar (the S-300 and, according to early reports, possibly the S-400). After the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Turkey is afraid that their planes can be destroyed when approaching the border.
In this regard the Syrians reported that the Russia air-space forces can begin the full-scale destruction of camps in the border territory, and also annihilate the retreating militants and the fuel trucks which are moving towards Turkey.


http://tapnewswire.com/2015/11/turkish-airforce-runs-and-hides-from-russian-retaliation/

[Jewboo]

Erdogan Ordered Turkish Air Force Planes Be Grounded


Turks are not putting their fighters in the air after the majority of them were lit up by Russian radar (the S-300 and, according to early reports, possibly the S-400). After the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Turkey is afraid that their planes can be destroyed when approaching the border. In this regard the Syrians reported that the Russia air-space forces can begin the full-scale destruction of camps in the border territory, and also annihilate the retreating militants and the fuel trucks which are moving towards Turkey.



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[Neuro]

I don't think he will let this go either. However he is a chess player and going after gutless cowards by putting troops on the ground is not what I think he'll do. He'll bomb the hell out of them
I said so!

[vacuum]

When the pilot was shot out of the air while parachuting and the rescue helicopter was taken out, it destroyed the argument that there were moderates in the area.

[midnight rambler]

When the pilot was shot out of the air while parachuting and the rescue helicopter was taken out, it destroyed the argument that there were moderates in the area.

It appears that soon enough there's not going to be anyone left in that area, moderate, radical, or otherwise.

[Jewboo]

When the pilot was shot out of the air while parachuting and the rescue helicopter was taken out, it destroyed the argument that there were moderates in the area.


Tactical nuke cruise missile from one of Putin's ships would be fine by me.

[vacuum]

Looks like it was just an honest mistake:


Erdogan: We didn't know warplane was Russian

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says his country's air force did not know that the plane they shot down on Tuesday was Russian when, according to RT.
Source: B92, Tanjug Wednesday, November 25, 2015 | 10:58


http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2015/11/25/1492652922565587ea80709065619550_v4big.jpg



In addition, Erdogan said that Turkey "does not want escalation with Russia because of the downed plane."
"We have no intention to provoke an escalation of tensions over this incident. We only defend our security and the rights of our brothers," Erdogan said in Istanbul, according to AFP.

He, however, added that "no one can expect Turkey to remain silent when it comes to violations of its borders."

"Yesterday morning our airspace was violated by an aircraft of unknown origin. Two aircraft were warned not to cross the border ten times in two minutes. One of our aircraft was warning them to go back to Syria, and they continued to violate the airspace," said Erdogan, quoted by the Turkish paper Hurriyet.

Erdogan also asserted that the Turkish planes fired on the Russian plane while it was in Turkish airspace - but that it fell in Syria, with "some parts falling in Turkey and injuring two Turkish nationals."

Russia, however, maintains that the plane was attacked while in Syrian airspace. The Russian Ministry of Defense also published footage that allegedly proves the Russian military aircraft never violated Turkey's airspace.

It has been reported on Wednesday that one of the pilots who ejected from the Russian bomber was rescued (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2015&mm=11&dd=25&nav_id=96151), while the other was murdered, and that Russia was beefing up its air defenses in Syria.

[Glass]

yes. as the russian pilot said, the F16's are so much faster they could have pulled along side very quickly and worked it out.

Very Poor B.S. excuse.

We shoot first and ask questions later. Clearly designed to stop the bombing of their oil transport fleet.

[singular_me]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

see brainwashing on every level
-------

Former US Ambassador to Syria: Russia Culpable for Paris Attacks Because It Supports Assad
24th November 2015

‘We’re not going to spend too much time harping on the lunacy that came out of Ambassador Robert Ford’s mouth-hole during a recent interview with The Daily Beast. But here’s his “argument”, if you can even call it that:

Former Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford is skeptical that the Russians are really changing their stance about Assad, and as long as Assad is in place, the armed opposition will not mobilize to fight against the Islamic State.

Ha-ha, see? Russia refuses to violently depose Assad, which means that US-backed “moderate” rebels are so busy fighting Assad — and “surrendering” their weapons to ISIS — that they have no time to fight ISIS! Ergo, Russia “doesn’t care about Paris”, and has even enabled the Islamic State!’
http://russia-insider.com/en/brain-dead-former-us-ambassador-support-assad-proves-russia-doesnt-care-about-paris-attacks/ri11360

[ximmy]

From Russia with love...

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Video at link

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c8a_1448489456


Terrorist Russia airstrikes target aid convoy in northwestern Syrian town of Azaz, 7 killed

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At least seven people died, 10 got injured after an apparent airstrike,
reportedly by Russian jets, targeted an aid convoy in northwestern
Syrian town of Azaz near a border crossing with Turkey on Wednesday.



Footage filmed at a crossing on the Syrian side of the border with
Turkey's southern province of Kilis showed lorries burning. The head of
the rebel-run border crossing in the same area said separately that air
strikes hit a garage for commercial trailers, killing seven lorry
drivers.



Anadolu news agency reported that 20 lorries were targeted, which were
carrying cement and iron brought from Turkey in a regular procedure.



Speaking to Daily Sabah, Serkan Nergis from the Humanitarian Relief
Foundation (IHH) said that the targeted area is located some 5
kilometers southwest of the Öncüpınar Border Crossing.



Nergis said that IHH has a civil defense unit in Azaz and they helped
locals to extinguish the trucks. Trucks were probably carrying aid
supplies or commercial materials, Nergis added.



"Our teams helped extinguish the fire... The trucks do not belong to us
and there is no information on who bombed them," Mustafa Özbek, an
Istanbul-based official from the IHH, told Reuters.



The aid worker who filmed the aftermath initially said it appeared that aid trucks had been targeted.

Meanwhile, a US official said he was "aware of reports that a convoy of
humanitarian relief vehicles was hit by an air strike today in the
vicinity of Azaz."



The official noted that no coalition planes had been near the area for the last 24 hours.



"We are continuing to monitor the situation to determine all of the facts behind the incident," he said.

[midnight rambler]

http://rense.com/1.mpicons/noturkeyleft.jpg

[Jewboo]

Meanwhile, a US official said he was "aware of reports that a Turkish convoy of humanitarian relief vehicles, carrying bibles, diapers, and children's toys was hit by a Russian air strike today in the vicinity of Azaz."

[ximmy]

Meanwhile, a US official said he was "aware of reports that a convoy of humanitarian relief vehicles, carrying bibles, diapers, and children's toys was hit by an air strike today in the vicinity of Azaz."

Evidence of burned tickle me elmo dolls found at site...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xLaHpl7CmRU/hqdefault.jpg

[midnight rambler]

We get a known homosexual loser -

http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/09/claim-obama-hid-gay-life-to-become-president/%20

Russia gets a leader -

http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Obama_Putin_Differences_11.jpg

[vacuum]

We get a known homosexual loser -

http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/09/claim-obama-hid-gay-life-to-become-president/%20

Russia gets a leader -



At least he half asses everything equally, including the wars and policies Israel tasks him with.

McCain would be going ape shit right now. Actually, he probably is going ape shit right now, but luckily he's not in charge...

[midnight rambler]

McCain would be going ape shit right now.

No kidding, in fact I'm confident if McInsane was POTUS WW4 would already have happened.

[ximmy]

Turnabout: Russian S400 System Coming to Syria Puts Turkey in “No Fly Zone” By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor (http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/gordonduff/) on November 25, 2015
Moscow to Deploy the Most Advanced Missile Defense System to Syria: Defense Minister
Moscow to deploy S-400 defense missile system to Khmeimim airbase in Syria https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.11/original/565574acc461881c648b4625.jpg
An S-400 “Triumf” antiaircraft missile system.


The Russian Air Force base in Latakia will be reinforced with S-400 SAM system, which will soon be deployed there, Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Wednesday.

“S-400 will be deployed on Khmeimim airbase in Syria,” Shoigu said at a Defense Ministry meeting. Earlier on Tuesday, the Russian Su-24 was shot down by a Turkish F-16 fighter jet near the Turkish-Syrian border. One pilot died in the incident. The second one was rescued and brought to the Russian airbase in Latakia.
READ MORE: Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger (https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/)
Moscow maintains the jet did not violate Turkey’s airspace. It ditched on Syria’s territory four kilometers from the border.
https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.11/thumbnail/56555b77c46188c3088b45c5.jpg (https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/)

Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group – PM Medvedev (https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/)


Shortly afterwards, the MoD announced three steps to be taken following the attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber, including providing aerial cover by fighter jets for every airstrike, boosting air defense by deploying guided missile cruisers off the Latakia coast, and suspending all military-to-military contacts with Turkey.
The S-400 is Russia’s most advanced anti-aircraft defense system. It is as an upgrade of the S-300 Growler family, designed and developed by Almaz Antei. The S-400 is employed to ensure air defense using long- and medium-range missiles that can hit aerial targets at ranges up to 400 kilometers.
The S-400 is capable of hitting tactical and strategic aircraft as well as ballistic and cruise missiles. The system includes a set of radars, missile launchers and command posts, and is operated solely by the Russian military.
Khmeimim airbase in Latakia, Syria, accommodates Russian Air Force squadrons of Su-27SM and Su-30 fighter jets, Su-34 and Su-24 tactical bombers, which are all taking part in airstrikes on Islamic State positions. The airbase is protected by state-of-the-art air defense systems and radars. Khmeimim also has a fully operational unit for maintaining fixed- and rotor-wing aircraft and providing logistical assistance to pilots.

http://i.alalam.ir/news/Image/original/2015/11/25/alalam_635840602628352564_25f_4x3.jpg
“Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/25/turnabout-russian-s400-system-coming-to-syria-puts-turkey-in-no-fly-zone/

[Jerrylynnb]

Joel Skousen, on tonight's Jeff Rense program, said that the purpose of the shootdown was to lure the Russians into bringing thier best electronic and offensive equipment into play, so as to allow american "sniffers", to learn as much as they can about Russian capabilities, prior to actual all-out war breaking out. Skousen agreed with Rense that this likely means the military types from the Nato side (including Turks, but, also others) will be goaded (ordered?) to tempt the Russians boldly so as to force them to engage their sophisticated electronics and offensive capabilities, in a setting where the americans, concealed within range but in hidden "listening" positions, will record as much as possible as to the state-of-the-art of Russian capabilities. Skousen says that neither Russia, NOR NATO, is ready for an all-out war, not just right at this time, but, that, they both realize there is probably one not too far off (the two sides are at cross-odds, and, neither seems to be backing down).

I'd sure hate to be in uniform and susceptible to being ordered to go protect the border with Syria from Russian airplanes and missiles - damn, that is near suicide, because, according to Skousen, Nato won't really do much so as not to give the Russians anything to be taking down notes about. They (NATO) will just be sacrificing their troops like clay pigeons at a turkey shoot (no pun intended . This is back-stabbing (against their own NATO military) of the sneakiest and most conniving kind. I wonder if Skousen has got it right?

[Neuro]

Joel Skousen, on tonight's Jeff Rense program, said that the purpose of the shootdown was to lure the Russians into bringing thier best electronic and offensive equipment into play, so as to allow american "sniffers", to learn as much as they can about Russian capabilities, prior to actual all-out war breaking out. Skousen agreed with Rense that this likely means the military types from the Nato side (including Turks, but, also others) will be goaded (ordered?) to tempt the Russians boldly so as to force them to engage their sophisticated electronics and offensive capabilities, in a setting where the americans, concealed within range but in hidden "listening" positions, will record as much as possible as to the state-of-the-art of Russian capabilities. Skousen says that neither Russia, NOR NATO, is ready for an all-out war, not just right at this time, but, that, they both realize there is probably one not too far off (the two sides are at cross-odds, and, neither seems to be backing down).

I'd sure hate to be in uniform and susceptible to being ordered to go protect the border with Syria from Russian airplanes and missiles - damn, that is near suicide, because, according to Skousen, Nato won't really do much so as not to give the Russians anything to be taking down notes about. They (NATO) will just be sacrificing their troops like clay pigeons at a turkey shoot (no pun intended . This is back-stabbing (against their own NATO military) of the sneakiest and most conniving kind. I wonder if Skousen has got it right?
I don't think he got it right. It supposes a preplanning and coordination that Turks are not capable of. The government in Turkey were screaming about the induced suffering of the Sunni Turkmen in North Syria for a week prior to the shooting down (the real reason is that the lucrative oil smuggling from ISIS was hurting), and then they decided to give the Russians a nose burn at this opportunity, yes they are that stupid! Of course it backfired. No more oil incomes for ISIS. No oil profiteering of Turkish officials!

[singular_me]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVw9Fls-tg


Mafia Don Erdoğan Retaliates for Russian Strike on Family Crime Syndicate
‘Like a vengeful Mafia don Recep Tayyip Erdoğan shot down a Russian plane and nudged the Middle East a step closer to all-out war.

A few hours after the attack Obama climbed up on his soap box and said Turkey has a right to protect its national sovereignty.

Erdoğan’s attack, however, had nothing to do with sovereignty or airspace. It was retaliation for Russia messing with his family business.

The son of Turkey’s president is accused of making a fortune on the sale of oil stolen by the Islamic State.’
http://www.prisonplanet.com/mafia-don-erdogan-retaliates-for-russian-strike-on-family-crime-syndicate.html

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Former NATO Commander: Turkey has always supported ISIS
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DecIAlW9t9o

[midnight rambler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVw9Fls-tg



But...but...but according to Book and Shami "It's (strictly) da joos!!! Its's (strictly) da joos!!! Everything else is a distraction!!!"

[Spectrism]

Turns out that the Erdogan family has been in business with ISIS for some time.... and fencing the stolen oil.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president

Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 11/25/2015 22:55 -0500

Russia's Sergey Lavrov is not one foreign minister known to mince his words. Just earlier today, 24 hours after a Russian plane was brought down by the country whose president three years ago said (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/who-said-it-short-term-border-violation-can-never-be-pretext-attack) "a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack", had this to say: "We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation" by Turkey.
But even that was tame compared to what Lavrov said to his Turkish counterparty Mevlut Cavusoglu earlier today during a phone call between the two (Lavrov who was supposed to travel to Turkey has since canceled such plans).
As Sputnik transcribes (http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151125/1030764208/lavrov-cavusoglu-conversation.html), according to a press release from Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov pointed out that, "by shooting down a Russian plane on a counter-terrorist mission of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria, and one that did not violate Turkey’s airspace, the Turkish government has in effect sided with ISIS."
It was in this context when Lavrov added that "Turkey’s actions appear premeditated, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective."
More importantly, Lavrov pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade. Per the Russian statement:



"The Russian Minister reminded his counterpart about Turkey’s involvement in the ISIS’ illegal trade in oil, which is transported via the area where the Russian plane was shot down, and about the terrorist infrastructure, arms and munitions depots and control centers that are also located there."
Others reaffirmed Lavrov's stance, such as retired French General Dominique Trinquand, who said that "Turkey is either not fighting ISIL at all or very little, and does not interfere with different types of smuggling that takes place on its border, be it oil, phosphate, cotton or people," he said.
The reason we find this line of questioning fascinating is that just last week in the aftermath of the French terror attack but long before the Turkish downing of the Russian jet, we wrote about "The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-19/most-important-question-about-isis-nobody-asking)" in which we asked who is the one "breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various "western alliance" governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has?"
Precisely one week later, in even more tragic circumstances, suddenly everyone is asking this question.
And while we patiently dig to find who the on and offshore "commodity trading" middleman are, who cart away ISIS oil to European and other international markets in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, one name keeps popping up as the primary culprit of regional demand for the Islamic State's "terrorist oil" - that of Turkish president Recep Erdogan's son: Bilal Erdogan.
His very brief bio:



Necmettin Bilal Erdogan, commonly known as Bilal Erdogan (born 23 April 1980) is the third child of Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, the current President of Turkey.

After graduating from Kartal Imam Hatip High School in 1999, Bilal Erdogan moved to the US for undergraduate education. He also earned a Masters Degree in John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in 2004. After graduation, he served in the World Bank as intern for a while. He returned Turkey in 2006 and started to his business life. Bilal Erdogan is one of the three equal shareholders of "BMZ Group Denizcilik ", a marine transportation corporation.
Here is a recent picture of Bilal, shown in a photo from a Turkish 2014 article, (http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turkiye/70059/Bilal_Erdogan_in_gemileri_Suriye_ye_ne_tasiyor_.ht ml)which "asked why his ships are now in Syria":
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/11/bilal%20erdogan.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/11/bilal%20erdogan.jpg)
In the next few days, we will present a full breakdown of Bilal's various business ventures, starting with his BMZ Group which is the name implicated most often in the smuggling of illegal Iraqi and Islamic State through to the western supply chain, but for now here is a brief, if very disturbing snapshot, of both father and son Erdogan by F. William Engdahl, one which should make everyone ask whether the son of Turkey's president (and thus, the father) is the silent mastermind who has been responsible for converting millions of barrels of Syrian Oil into hundreds of millions of dollars of Islamic State revenue.

(much more at link)

[midnight rambler]

What a slanderous thing for you to say! How dare you! Why...why...the unmitigated gall you display!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3334650/Russia-enters-diplomatic-food-fight-Turkey-Putin-tells-shoppers-stop-buying-Turkish-tomatoes-funding-missile-shoot-boys.html


Turns out that the Erdogan family has been in business with ISIS for some time.... and fencing the stolen oil.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president

Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President


Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 11/25/2015 22:55 -0500

Russia's Sergey Lavrov is not one foreign minister known to mince his words. Just earlier today, 24 hours after a Russian plane was brought down by the country whose president three years ago said (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/who-said-it-short-term-border-violation-can-never-be-pretext-attack) "a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack", had this to say: "We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation" by Turkey.
But even that was tame compared to what Lavrov said to his Turkish counterparty Mevlut Cavusoglu earlier today during a phone call between the two (Lavrov who was supposed to travel to Turkey has since canceled such plans).
As Sputnik transcribes (http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151125/1030764208/lavrov-cavusoglu-conversation.html), according to a press release from Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov pointed out that, "by shooting down a Russian plane on a counter-terrorist mission of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria, and one that did not violate Turkey’s airspace, the Turkish government has in effect sided with ISIS."
It was in this context when Lavrov added that "Turkey’s actions appear premeditated, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective."
More importantly, Lavrov pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade. Per the Russian statement:


"The Russian Minister reminded his counterpart about Turkey’s involvement in the ISIS’ illegal trade in oil, which is transported via the area where the Russian plane was shot down, and about the terrorist infrastructure, arms and munitions depots and control centers that are also located there."

Others reaffirmed Lavrov's stance, such as retired French General Dominique Trinquand, who said that "Turkey is either not fighting ISIL at all or very little, and does not interfere with different types of smuggling that takes place on its border, be it oil, phosphate, cotton or people," he said.
The reason we find this line of questioning fascinating is that just last week in the aftermath of the French terror attack but long before the Turkish downing of the Russian jet, we wrote about "The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-19/most-important-question-about-isis-nobody-asking)" in which we asked who is the one "breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various "western alliance" governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has?"
Precisely one week later, in even more tragic circumstances, suddenly everyone is asking this question.
And while we patiently dig to find who the on and offshore "commodity trading" middleman are, who cart away ISIS oil to European and other international markets in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, one name keeps popping up as the primary culprit of regional demand for the Islamic State's "terrorist oil" - that of Turkish president Recep Erdogan's son: Bilal Erdogan.
His very brief bio:


Necmettin Bilal Erdogan, commonly known as Bilal Erdogan (born 23 April 1980) is the third child of Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, the current President of Turkey.

After graduating from Kartal Imam Hatip High School in 1999, Bilal Erdogan moved to the US for undergraduate education. He also earned a Masters Degree in John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in 2004. After graduation, he served in the World Bank as intern for a while. He returned Turkey in 2006 and started to his business life. Bilal Erdogan is one of the three equal shareholders of "BMZ Group Denizcilik ", a marine transportation corporation.

Here is a recent picture of Bilal, shown in a photo from a Turkish 2014 article, (http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turkiye/70059/Bilal_Erdogan_in_gemileri_Suriye_ye_ne_tasiyor_.ht ml)which "asked why his ships are now in Syria":
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/11/bilal%20erdogan.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/11/bilal%20erdogan.jpg)
In the next few days, we will present a full breakdown of Bilal's various business ventures, starting with his BMZ Group which is the name implicated most often in the smuggling of illegal Iraqi and Islamic State through to the western supply chain, but for now here is a brief, if very disturbing snapshot, of both father and son Erdogan by F. William Engdahl, one which should make everyone ask whether the son of Turkey's president (and thus, the father) is the silent mastermind who has been responsible for converting millions of barrels of Syrian Oil into hundreds of millions of dollars of Islamic State revenue.

(much more at link)

[singular_me]

checkout posting #105, in that vid he mentions the rothschilds and co

dont have the time to listen again to that one, am in a rush

yes masonic zionism is a major aspect in the issue, but at this stage, the scoop must be widened...



But...but...but according to Book and Shami "It's (strictly) da joos!!! Its's (strictly) da joos!!! Everything else is a distraction!!!"

[Jewboo]

checkout posting #105...at this stage, the scoop must be widened.



:rolleyes: Goldissima now sabotaging our thread about Turkey shooting down the Russian bomber by misdirecting us to an old Icke video. Icke:



Icke introduced the reptoid hypothesis in The Biggest Secret (1999), which identified the Brotherhood as descendants of reptilians from the constellation Draco, who walk on two legs and appear human, and who live in tunnels and caverns inside the earth. He argues that the reptilians are the race of gods known as the Anunnaki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki) in the Babylonian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonia) creation myth, Enûma Eliš (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%C3%BBma_Eli%C5%A1).[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#cite_note-45) According to Barkun, Icke's idea of "inner-earth reptilians" is not new, though he has done more than most to expand it.[46] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#cite_note-Barkun2003p106-46)

[Neuro]

I just read the full version of the article Spectrism posted above. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president

I think it is largely correct... I am not sure Erdogan was behind the Chemical attack, but it isn't impossible either. I remember an incidence a few months ago where local Turkish police stopped and apprehended a Truck full of weapons on its way to Syria, and the news came into medias hand, before Turkish secret service came and explained the truck was theirs and the local Police was ordered to let it continue.

This is really big news!

[Spectrism]

I just read the full version of the article Spectrism posted above. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president

I think it is largely correct... I am not sure Erdogan was behind the Chemical attack, but it isn't impossible either. I remember an incidence a few months ago where local Turkish police stopped and apprehended a Truck full of weapons on its way to Syria, and the news came into medias hand, before Turkish secret service came and explained the truck was theirs and the local Police was ordered to let it continue.

This is really big news!


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-26/800-shotguns-headed-belgium-turkey-seized-italy

800 Shotguns Headed To Belgium From Turkey Seized In ItalySubmitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 11/26/2015 13:04 -0500

In short, Belgium has apparently become a kind of hub for jihadists. Not wanting to let a good crisis go to waste, the entire country - and especially Brussels - has been on high alert for nearly a week (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-22/brussels-lockdown-day-2-police-hunt-two-terrorists-jihadi-john-accomplice-civilians-) now as authorities hunt for several suspects who are purportedly planning a “serious and imminent” terrorist attack.
In what may be the latest evidence that there are indeed multiple active terror cells operating in the country (or in what may merely be evidence that some anonymous Belgian collector just really loves Winchesters), Italian police seized some 800 shotguns bound for Belgium today at the Port of Trieste.

[midnight rambler]

the scoop must be widened...


The Death Cult is composed of MANY creeds, not just da joos.

[midnight rambler]

an old Icke video.

Has David Icke not been on target with regards to how things have been panning out with global affairs??

[mick silver]

Russia deploys cutting-edge S-400 air defense system to Syrian base after Su-24 downing Published time: 26 Nov, 2015 https://www.rt.com/news/323596-s400-russia-syria-airbase-turkey/

[mick silver]

US knew flight path of plane downed by Turkey: Putinhttp://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2013-08-26/d19448d6-6aaa-4359-a768-eadacf5fbca9_afp-gif_new.gif (http://www.afp.com/) 6 hours ago Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks with French President during a meeting at the Kremlin in Moscow on November 26, 2015 (AFP Photo/Sergei Chirikov)


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Moscow (AFP) - President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that Russia had given prior information to the United States of the flight path of the plane downed by Turkey on the Syrian border.
"The American side, which leads the coalition that Turkey belongs to, knew about the location and time of our planes' flights, and we were hit exactly there and at that time," Putin said at a joint press conference with French counterpart Francois Hollande in the Kremlin.
Ahead of the Hollande talks, Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan traded barbs, with the Russian leader saying he was waiting for an apology and Erdogan ruling out any such move.
Putin on Thursday dismissed as "rubbish" Turkey's claim that it would not have shot down the jet if it had known it was Russian.
"They [our planes] have identification signs and these are well visible," Putin said. "Instead of [...] ensuring this never happens again, we are hearing unintelligible explanations and statements that there is nothing to apologise about."
Putin has also accused Turkey of buying oil from the Islamic State jihadist group, whose financing heavily relies on the sale of energy resources.
Putin said there was "no doubt" that oil from "terrorist-controlled" territory in Syria was making its way across the border into Turkey.
"We see from the sky where these vehicles [carrying oil] are going," Putin said. "They are going to Turkey day and night."
"These barrels are not only carrying oil but also the blood of our citizens because with this money terrorists buy weapons and ammunition and then organise bloody attacks," he added.


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[Jewboo]

US knew flight path of plane downed by Turkey: Putin

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Hey Mick:

We can come to GSUS for real news from French AFP and Russian RT websites and avoid our own jew-controlled USA propaganda. What a time to be alive!

:D

[Neuro]

Has David Icke not been on target with regards to how things have been panning out with global affairs??
Yeah, but it is the aliens!

[singular_me]

Goldissima now sabotaging our thread about Turkey shooting down the Russian bomber by misdirecting us to an old Icke video. Icke:

I always make sure that his videos STAY ON topic when using them on here... always and in this old video he describes today' situation in the middle east.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NBXYFI8Ovo

[Neuro]

I don't think he will let this go either. However he is a chess player and going after gutless cowards by putting troops on the ground is not what I think he'll do. He'll bomb the hell out of them, and puts some serious ultimatums on Turkey for gas deliveries, winter is approaching and most Turkish houses are gas heated and people here are very afraid to be cold...

Seems like the second part is coming true too:

Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev did not rule out that the measures could hit two major projects with Turkey -- the planned Turk Stream gas pipeline and the Akkuyu nuclear power plant -- in a move that looks set to raise concerns in energy-poor Turkey.
http://news.yahoo.com/putin-says-no-apologies-turkey-over-downed-warplane-110545924.html

[Glass]

I'm sure the Turks have made other arrangements. $10 oil is one. They will still be getting oil from Iraq in the same way. I doubt Russia will be able to do anything about that.

I feel a no fly zone coming on. Accross the north where this all happened extending northwest to enable shippments to come out of the Iraq/Kurdish region.

[Neuro]

https://www.rt.com/news/323557-turkey-arrests-editor-cumhuriyet/

Yesterday the editor of the biggest oppositional newspaper Cumhuriyet, was arrested for espionage and belonging to a terrorist organization, after they covered the smuggling of arms to Syria. The truck was stopped by local police, full of arms, secret service accompanied it, and released it.

[Neuro]

I'm sure the Turks have made other arrangements. $10 oil is one. They will still be getting oil from Iraq in the same way. I doubt Russia will be able to do anything about that.

I feel a no fly zone coming on. Accross the north where this all happened extending northwest to enable shippments to come out of the Iraq/Kurdish region.
You can't heat a house with oil, if you have a natural gas heating system. Probably at least 90% of Turkeys natural gas (which is also used for electricity generation), comes from Russia and Iran.

[singular_me]

informative flashback
-----------------------------
Jul 29, 2015
Cenk Uygur (host of The Young Turks) discusses a recent report of Turkish officials helping ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Cenk breaks down the evidence that Turkey turned a blind eye to the vast smuggling networks and may have even cooperated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyKFpEl95w

[midnight rambler]

Erdogan keeps digging his hole deeper, asserts Russia should be the party apologizing for downing of Su-24 -

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/arrogant-insolent-erdogan-says-russia-should-apologize-turkey/ri11480

[Neuro]

Erdogan keeps digging his hole deeper, asserts Russia should be the party apologizing for downing of Su-24 -

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/arrogant-insolent-erdogan-says-russia-should-apologize-turkey/ri11480
He is insane! This is a well known fact among people who can think around here!

[mick silver]

Russia has right to military response after jet downing: Naryshkin
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BUCHAREST (Reuters) - Russia has the right to make a military response after the downing of a Russian warplane earlier this week by NATO member Turkey, lower house speaker Sergei Naryshkin said on Friday.
Speaking in an interview with Romanian television station Digi24, Naryshkin, who spoke in Russian and was translated by the broadcaster, said: "This is intentional murder of our soldiers and this deed must be punished."
The shooting down of the Russian warplane by the Turkish air force on Tuesday was one of the most serious clashes between a NATO member and Russia, and further complicated international efforts to battle Islamic State militants.
"We know those who did this and they must be judged. At the same time, the response from the Russian side will surely follow, in line with international law. And aside from this, Russia has also the right to military response," added Naryshkin, who was attending a meeting of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation (PABSEC) in Bucharest.
Naryshkin, who said economic measures against Turkey might be on the cards, said Moscow had allocated additional military resources on Thursday to boost the security of Russian warplanes.
"Even yesterday, military resources were allocated, (for) the S400 Triumph, which is the most advanced missile defense system, with the role to maintain flight safety of Russian planes, of our military and air forces whose task is to destroy terrorist infrastructure of the so-called Islamic State and other organizations operating in Syria."
World leaders have urged both sides to avoid escalation, and China's Foreign Ministry added its voice to that on Friday.
On Thursday, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying, Russia should apologize for violating Turkey's airspace.
(Editing by Ralph Boulton)


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Kremlin says Western powers 'not ready' to work in anti-IS coalition with Russia
Moscow (AFP) - The Kremlin said Friday that Western powers were not ready to form a coalition with Russia to fight Islamic State jihadists in Syria, after talks between President Vladimir Putin and French leader Francois Hollande.
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"At the moment, unfortunately, our partners are not ready to work within the format of single coalition," Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
He added however that Russia remained open to cooperation "in any format our partners would be ready for."
After jihadists killed 130 people in Paris this month in attacks claimed by IS, Hollande travelled to Moscow on Thursday, hoping to bolster global efforts to crush IS.
Putin had urged global powers to band together in the fight against jihadists in September during an address to the United Nations General Assembly, just before Russia launched its own bombing campaign in Syria.
Separately, a US-led coalition that includes France had already been staging air strikes against IS targets in Syria for over a year.
Putin and Hollande agreed Thursday to coordinate strikes and share intelligence in what was the most concrete sign of progress from the French leader's diplomatic marathon that has also included talks with the leaders of the United States, Germany, Britain and Italy.
But the idea of a single anti-IS coalition involving Western powers and Russia did not get off the ground as US President Barack Obama is said to have given a cool response to Hollande's proposal.
The downing of a Russian warplane by NATO member Turkey in Syria has also cast a shadow on the diplomatic efforts to step up the fight against the jihadists.
While Turkey said Friday it wanted to calm tensions with Russia and local media said Ankara "temporarily" suspended air strikes against IS targets in Syria, the Kremlin said Russia would press ahead with its bombing campaign in the war-torn country.
"We proceed from the fact that the Russian air force is continuing an operation to support an offensive by the Syrian armed forces against terrorist organisations," Peskov said.
He added that Putin discussed the crisis with his aides at a meeting of his national security council on Friday.
"The meeting discussed increased tensions over Syria against the background of Turkey's aggressive and unpredictable actions," Peskov told reporters.


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Emergent Caliphate of Turkey's Recep Tayyip Erdogan?
By Daily Bell Staff - November 27, 2015



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Turkey won't apologize for downing Russian warplane, Erdogan says ... Turkey will not apologize for downing a Russian fighter jet it says violated Turkish airspace near the Syrian border, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in an exclusive CNN interview Thursday in Ankara. "I think if there is a party that needs to apologize, it is not us," he said from the Turkish capital. "Those who violated our airspace are the ones who need to apologize. Our pilots and our armed forces, they simply fulfilled their duties, which consisted of responding to ... violations of the rules of engagement. I think this is the essence." – CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/26/middleeast/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-shot-down/index.html)
Dominant Social Theme: Russia is evil and Putin is Hitler.
Free-Market Analysis: This CNN article is basically a recap of the accepted Middle East narrative as it now stands. What's going on in the Middle East increasingly resembles – on the surface – an evolution of the "great game" that created World War One.
Let's recap the recap so we can understand what we're supposed to believe. This is useful from an investment standpoint because if we can see clearly beneath the surface of a confusing political and military situation, then we can make better decisions about asset allocation and even how to go about implementing additional "lifestyle insurance."
Toward the end of this article, we'll look at the commentary of one of the outstanding modern conservative commentators, Patrick Buchanan (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2938/). Buchanan sees below the surface of the "accepted wisdom" and is deeply concerned that Washington is headed toward a major confrontation with Russia. We've mentioned this possibility ourselves.
Back to CNN. From this report, we learn what is being reported elsewhere, that Turkish leader Erdogan is unrepentant and may have given the order himself to shoot down the Russian jet. Russia meanwhile has called the shooting a "planned provocation."
Surprisingly, Russian President Vladimir Putin has claimed he didn't expect Turkey to act in a hostile manner. Putin is not usually surprised but according to CNN, he "told reporters in Moscow on Thursday that the strike was unexpected."
He reportedly said, "It did not even come into our mind that we could be struck by a party that we considered to be our ally. We considered Turkey to be a friendly country."
Perhaps not now. Putin is said to be considering a variety of economic and military actions that will hurt Turkish military preparedness and also its economy. Russia is a huge trading partner with Turkey and this may be why Erdogan, despite being unrepentant about the shootdown, seems to be engaged in a bit of a "climbdown."
Too late! According to CNN, "Some Russian tour operators have already said they will be curtailing travel to Turkey – a top destination for Russian vacationers."
CNN adds, "The unusual clash between Russia and a NATO (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1854/) member highlights the dangerous and unpredictable nature of the Syrian war, which has drawn global powers, including the United States, into a chaotic and complex conflict. NATO survived Cold War, but downed jet provides biggest threat."
Longtime author, commentator and political operative Patrick Buchanan shares the above sentiments. In an article (http://www.creators.com/conservative/pat-buchanan.html) entitled, "Stumbling to War With Russia?" he makes his concerns clear.
Turkey's decision to shoot down a Russian warplane was a provocative and portentous act. That Sukhoi Su-24, which the Turks say intruded into their air space, crashed and burned – in Syria. One of the Russian pilots was executed while parachuting to safety. A Russian rescue helicopter was destroyed by rebels using a U.S. TOW missile. A Russian marine was killed.
As it is impossible to believe Turkish F-16 pilots would fire missiles at a Russian plane without authorization from President Tayyip Recep Erdogan, we must ask: Why did the Turkish autocrat do it? Why is he risking a clash with Russia? Answer: Erdogan is probably less outraged by intrusions into his air space than by Putin's success in securing the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2933/), whom Erdogan detests, and by relentless Russian air strikes on Turkmen rebels seeking to overthrow Assad. ...
As for what strategy and solution President Obama offers, and how exactly he plans to achieve it, it remains an enigma. Nor is this the end of the alarming news. According to The Times of Israel, Damascus reports that, on Monday, Israel launched four strikes, killing five Syrian soldiers and eight Hezbollah fighters, and wounding others. Should Assad or Hezbollah retaliate, this could bring Israel more openly into the Syrian civil war. And if Israel is attacked, the pressure on Washington to join her in attacking the Syrian regime and Hezbollah would become intense.
Buchanan also mentions that Ukraine economic actions against Russia are expanding once again. Ukraine is targeting now-Russian-annexed Crimea and threatening to withhold electricity. "Crimea receives 85 percent of its water and 80 percent of its electricity from Ukraine," Buchanan tells us.
Most provocatively, Buchanan inquires, "Are [all] these events coordinated? Has the U.S. government given a go-ahead to Erdogan to shoot down Russian planes? Has Obama authorized a Ukrainian economic quarantine of Crimea?"
Buchanan finishes his column with the observation that, "we could find ourselves eyeball to eyeball in a confrontation with Russia, where our NATO allies will be nowhere to be found."
And a question as well: "Has anyone thought this through?"
In scrutinizing these events, we can probably answer Buchanan in the affirmative. While we have worried about World War III and stated our concerns publicly, there is an alternative theory – one we cannot find anywhere thus far – that puts the Syrian war and Turkish provocation in a larger and different context.
The key to this larger speculation is contained in an article (http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/2014/12/18/how-vladimir-putin-upset-natos-strategy-by-thierry-meyssan/) published by independent journalist Thierry Meyssan entitled, "How Vladimir Putin Upset NATO's Strategy." He makes the following observation:
Recep Tayyip Erdogan ... a petty criminal who joined the Muslim Brotherhood, was propelled to power with the help of the CIA (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2401/), and he now behaves like a true mafia boss.
This is a revealing statement and corresponds with what we tend to believe. In fact, as a result of this military action, Erdogan's role in the Middle East now stands revealed, and it is both startling and important.
The end result of this serial warfare is likely to create an Islamic crescent, as we have suggested many times before. But we didn't understand who might wield the crescent. That person may be Erdogan.
In fact, Erdogan's antipathy to Syria and Assad may be motivated by personal ambitions to revive a form of the Ottoman Empire. With Iraq and Libya out of the way, Turkey becomes the natural large power in the region. As a moderate Sunni (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1841/) Islamic state, Turkey can provide the cohesiveness in the region that it is currently lacking.
So Erdogan provides the political glue and ISIS becomes the informal strike force of a revived Ottoman empire – the kind of Sunni caliphate that the Saud family once dreamed of establishing. The old secular states are dead now, destabilized by the CIA one after the other. Turkey can move to fill the vacuum.
What can we deduce from this potential outcome? Well ... maybe there won't be world war with Russia anytime soon. Western powers could be intent on reorganizing the Middle East right now, not Russia. There will be plenty of military tension, of course, but that will only aid Western powers as they reshape the region in order to introduce a single overarching Islamic rival to Israel.
From an investment standpoint, the news is mixed. Lacking a long-term "hot" war with Russia (and China) the world will continue to be assaulted by Islamic "terror" and Western civil society will continue to lose its freedoms. Terror will be intermittent and travel will be increasingly difficult. Financial markets will eventually subside – maybe hard – and their diminishment will be blamed conveniently on the "war on terror."
Conclusion: All speculation ... and yet the West has been destabilizing the Middle East for years. The ancillary target is Russia but the real prize is an ever-tighter internationalist union.

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Syrian Turkmen commander who 'killed' Russian pilot turns out to be Turkish ultranationalistPublished: 27 Nov 2015 | 15:16 GMThttps://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.11/article/56585a5fc36188f5688b460c.jpg
A Syrian rebel commander who boasted of killing a Russian pilot after Turkey downed Russian jet on Tuesday appeared to be Turkish ultranationalist and a son of former mayor in one of Turkish provinces.
Alparslan Celik, deputy commander of a Syrian Turkmen brigade turned out to be the son of a mayor of a Keban municipality in Turkey’s Elazig province.
He also turned out to be the member of The Grey Wolves ultranationalist group, members of which have carried out scores of political murders since 1970s.
READ MORE: Russian Su-24 pilots shot dead while parachuting over Syria - Turkmen militia (https://www.rt.com/news/323281-russian-pilots-killed-turkmen/)
Celik came under spotlight after he announced that as the two Russian pilots descended by parachute after the Su-24 jet was downed by Turkish military, both were shot dead by Turkmen forces on Tuesday.
A graphic video posted earlier on social media purported to show a Russian pilot lying on the ground surrounded by a group of armed militants.
For more watch RT's William Whiteman’s report.



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Syria army says Turkey increases arms shipments to rebels
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Russian needs to continually pound every road, donkey trail, footpath etc. that crosses the Syria/Turkey frontier.

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Turkey boosts arms supplies to Syria terrorists in exchange for oil & antiques – DamascusPublished: 29 Nov 2015 | 00:49 GMThttps://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.11/article/565a48e8c3618861178b4567.jpg
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Turkey has increased weapon, ammunition and equipment shipments into Syria, according to Damascus, in exchange for oil and antiquities looted by Islamic State terrorists. Meanwhile Moscow condemned Ankara for supporting “armed thugs” operating in Syria.
“We have certain information that the Turkish government recently increased support for terrorists and the level of supplying them with arms, ammunition and munitions to continue their criminal acts in exchange for oil and antiquities stolen from Syria and Iraq at low prices, taking advantage of the presence of terrorists whom it enabled to control border areas,” a statement from the Syrian General Command said, as cited by official Syrian news agency SANA.
READ MORE: Turkish newspaper editor in court for 'espionage' after revealing weapon convoy to Syrian militants (https://www.rt.com/news/323557-turkey-arrests-editor-cumhuriyet/)
The new weapons shipments, allegedly paid for with smuggled oil and artifacts, are being delivered disguised as humanitarian aid, and easily pass through Turkish border controls, Syrian officials claimed. Additionally, Turkey was accused of escalating border tensions by shelling Syrian army positions in northwestern Latakia province from al-Aqra’a Mountain on Friday night.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan previously rejected accusations that Ankara is involved in the oil trade with terrorists, saying that anyone making such a statement must prove it. Erdogan accused Damascus of purchasing oil from ISIS.
READ MORE: Turkish weapons ‘heading to end in ISIS hands’: RT speaks to Cumhuriyet journalists (http://on.rt.com/6xvs)
On Thursday a Turkish prosecutor requested the arrest of the editor-in-chief of Cumhuriyet newspaper, Can Dundar, and Cumhuriyet’s representative in Ankara, Erdem Gul, charging them with espionage and treason over a publication back in May that revealed that Turkish weapons were being transferred to Syria by Turkey’s intelligence agency. The story was accompanied by a video allegedly showing Turkish trucks packed with shells heading for Syria.

The recent downing of the Russia warplane “proves” that Turkey supports terrorism in Syria, said Syrian foreign minister Walid Muallem, who is visiting Moscow.
“Turkey helps terrorists due to ideological reasons, thinking that these terrorist groups are successors to the Ottoman empire,” Muallem said. “Turkey provides terrorists with weapons, logistical support, medical care and even shelter.”
Speaking on the same subject on Saturday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova accused Turkey of supporting the “armed thugs”who killed the Russian pilot.
“These people Ankara seeks to protect ... [in] every possible way, including illegal means, have nothing to do with civilians. They are armed thugs that shot down Russian pilot and then desecrated his body,” Zakharova stated.
The notion was previously voiced both by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and President Vladimir Putin himself.
“We were stabbed in the back by those who support terrorism,” Putin said the day Turkey shot down the Russian warplane. The Russian leader also noted a “commercial-scale supply of oil from the occupied Syrian territories seized by terrorists” into Turkey, documented in reconnaissance missions and regularly struck by the Russian Air Force as one of the priority targets in the war against ISIS and other terror groups in Syria.



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US Sends More Troops To Europe To Unleash Nuclear War With Russia?By Polina Tikhonova (http://www.valuewalk.com/author/polina-tikhonova/) on November 11, 2015 1:34 pm in Politics (http://www.valuewalk.com/category/politics/), Russia (http://www.valuewalk.com/category/politics/russia/)


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With top Pentagon’s expert on Russia warning that Moscow is poised to use nuclear weapons (http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/russia-ready-to-use-nuclear-weapons-2/) against NATO allies, U.S. military officials are now further escalating the tensions between Washington and the Kremlin by considering to send even more troops to Europe.
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While top U.S. Army General recently said that Russia can destroy the U.S. (http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/russia-can-destroy-us-top-u-s-army-general/), it does not seem like U.S. military officials reviewed all the possible consequences of the proposal to deploy more troops across Europe to deter the threat of aggression by Russia.
Furthermore, American defense officials are poised to counter the Russian threat with beefed up military drills aimed at countering possible direct military confrontations with Russian troops in Europe and the Middle East, where Moscow conducts its large-scale military operations.
The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday that proposals for the deployment of American soldiers in Europe were made over the weekend during the Reagan National Defense Forum at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California.
The U.S. armed forces currently has two infantry brigades stationed in Eastern Europe, with the total number of about 7,000 troops. One more brigade rotates in and out of Europe on a regular basis. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley, who recently said Russia can easily destroy the U.S., told The Wall Street Journal that he plans to push forward the proposal to send U.S. attack helicopter units, artillery brigades and more rotating brigades to Europe.
Such plans would take “a couple of months” to realize, according to Gen Philip Breedlove, the supreme allied commander of NATO. Funding to increase the number of U.S. troops based in countries neighboring Russia will be included in a budget request sent to Congress in 2016, according to the Journal.
Russia threatens global order – U.S. Secretary of DefenseThe report about the proposed troop increase comes a day after U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter (http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/10/russian-jet-approaches-u-s-warplane-over-syria/) said Russia poses a great threat to the international order and U.S. global dominance.
Carter said Russia is conducting “challenging activities” at sea, in the air, in space as well as in cyberspace, and added that Moscow was “violating sovereignty in Ukraine and Georgia and actively trying to intimidate the Baltic states.”
Political and military analysts noted that Carter’s remarks were perhaps his strongest remarks about U.S. former Cold War enemy ever since becoming Pentagon chief this past February. However, Carter said that the White House does not seek a “cold, let alone a hot, war” with Russia, nor does the U.S. seek to make Russia an enemy.
“But make no mistake; the United States will defend our interests, our allies, the principled international order, and the positive future it affords us all,” he said.

NATO risks unleashing a nuclear war with RussiaIt was also reported by The Journal that the Obama administration had issued a warning to some military officials in recent weeks to bring down the harshness of their comments about Russia.
“I fear that as we are dealing with Russia in Syria, the eyes are off [Eastern Europe],” Gen. Breedlove told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published late Sunday. “Why would we want our first negotiations on how we cooperate to be in Syria and then possibly allow the eyes of the world to accept what happened in Crimea?”
Last week, The Journal reported that some 4,000 NATO combat troops will be stationed in countries neighboring Russia. In Poland and the Baltics of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, there will be from 800 to 1,000 soldiers stationed during the coldest tensions between Moscow and Washington since the end of the Cold War. The NATO’s decision has a high chance to escalate the risk of a war in Europe and a military confrontation between the world’s two largest nuclear powers: the U.S. and Russia.
And a nuclear war involving the U.S., NATO and Russia “would probably spell, if not the end of humanity (http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/russia-ready-to-use-nuclear-weapons-2/), the end of any possibility of a comfortable future for humanity,” as reported by ValueWalk, citing Press TV’s interview with Don DeBar, U.S. political analyst.
“The challenge here is to deter further aggression without triggering that which you are trying to deter,” Gen. Milley told the Journal. “It is a very difficult proposition.”
NATO cannot counter Russia because of these four factorsNATO was surprised to learn about the new capabilities of the Russian armed forces, according to The Huffington Post. The news website lists four factors why Russia has surpassed NATO in the arms race.
The first one is that Russia is always ready to start sudden large-scale military drills involving tens of thousands of its troops, while NATO members require 2-year preparation for this kind of maneuvers. Russia regularly conducts military exercises similar to Trident Juncture-2015, which is NATO ongoing largest military drills in over a decade.
The second one is Russia’s military capabilities, which have become alarming for NATO’s strategists. The Huffington Post refers to the example of Kalibr missiles, the launch of which took place in the Caspian Sea and was watched by NATO on footages. NATO militaries (http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/11/nato-chief-sounds-alarm-over-russias-military-buildup/) are especially concerned that, being stationed in the Mediterranean Sea, such missiles can target even Berlin.
The third one is the consistency and the team spirit of Russia’s armed forces compared to NATO’s military units and brigades, which consist of troops from 28 members.

The fourth one is NATO’s inability to counter Russia in certain regions. Russia’s military capabilities do not let the Alliance to provide military aid to its allies in certain areas of the world. Like our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/valuewalk/) for breaking news updates and leaks.

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Hidden Agenda? Why Washington Wants Turkey to Send Troops to Syrian Border© AFP 2015/ OZAN KOSE



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The Obama administration is apparently urging Ankara to secure its border with Syria to prevent ISIL and other terrorist groups from smuggling people, weapons and supplies in and out of the war-torn country, but Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer Tony Cartalucci is convinced that the US and Turkey have nefarious goals in mind.
Washington estimates that a 30,000 strong force will be able to seal off the border. Interestingly, the same number of troops is needed to create a safe zone in Syria, according to the Pentagon's fall assessment. This is not a coincidence, Cartalucci believes, and if so, it could point to a possible and troubling scenario.
"In all likelihood, the West would like to attempt to make an incursion into Syria under the guise of having been provoked at the border, and then 'needing' to cross over into Syria to pursue the provocateurs," the researcher assumed.

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This could well be the plan, according to Cartalucci, since Damascus-led troops assisted by Russian forces are making gains and pushing extremists from their strongholds across Syria daily. If so, Moscow should make every effort to prevent this from happening through diplomatic means. "Diplomatically, offers to establish a border guard or peacekeeping force on the Syrian side to compliment NATO's within Turkish territory may be the best way to ensure NATO's ambitions remain where they are," he observed.
Meanwhile, Syria, Russia and Iran should keep an eye on what Cartalucci referred to as "the West’s designated 'wild cards,'" for instance Turkey, since incidents similar to the downing of a Russian Su-24 bomber could occur in the future.
"For Moscow in particular, the downing of its Su-24 should be fair warning that while cooperation should continue to be sought as a matter of good diplomacy, treachery must be expected as a matter of good strategic planning," the researcher warned.

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Nice Family Business
The prime source of money feeding ISIS these days is sale of Iraqi oil from the Mosul region oilfields where they maintain a stronghold. The son of Erdoğan it seems is the man who makes the export sales of ISIS-controlled oil possible. Bilal Erdoğan owns several maritime companies. He has allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries. The Turkish government buys Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi seized oil wells. Bilal Erdoğan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports that are transporting ISIS’ smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers (http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-president%E2%80%99s-daughter-heads-a-covert-medical-corps-to-help-isis-injured-members,-reveals-a-disgruntled-nurse).Gürsel Tekin vice-president of the Turkish Republican Peoples’ Party, CHP, declared in a recent Turkish media interview, “President Erdoğan claims that according to international transportation conventions there is no legal infraction concerning Bilal’s illicit activities and his son is doing an ordinary business with the registered Japanese companies, but in fact Bilal Erdoğan is up to his neck in complicity with terrorism, but as long as his father holds office he will be immune from any judicial prosecution.” Tekin adds that Bilal’s maritime company doing the oil trades for ISIS, BMZ Ltd, is “a family business and president Erdoğan’s close relatives hold shares in BMZ and they misused public funds and took illicit loans from Turkish banks (http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-president%E2%80%99s-daughter-heads-a-covert-medical-corps-to-help-isis-injured-members,-reveals-a-disgruntled-nurse).”In addition to son Bilal’s illegal and lucrative oil trading for ISIS, Sümeyye Erdoğan, the daughter of the Turkish President apparently runs a secret hospital camp inside Turkey just over the Syrian border where Turkish army trucks daily being in scores of wounded ISIS Jihadists to be patched up and sent back to wage the bloody Jihad in Syria, according to the testimony of a nurse who was recruited to work there until it was discovered she was a member of the Alawite branch of Islam, the same as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad who Erdoğan seems hell-bent on toppling (http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-president%E2%80%99s-daughter-heads-a-covert-medical-corps-to-help-isis-injured-members,-reveals-a-disgruntled-nurse).Turkish citizen Ramazan Başol, captured this month by Kurdish People’s Defence Units,YPG, as he attempted to join ISIS from Konya province, told his captors that said he was sent to ISIS by the ‘İsmail Ağa Sect,’ a strict Turkish Islam sect reported to be tied to Recep Erdoğan. Başol said the sect recruits members and provides logistic support to the radical Islamist organization. He added that the Sect gives jihad training in neighborhoods of Konya and sends those trained here to join ISIS gangs in Syria (http://awdnews.com/top-news/captured-terrorist-interview-with-sect-in-turkey-recruiting-members-for-isis).According to French geopolitical analyst, Thierry Meyssan, Recep Erdoğan “organised the pillage of Syria, dismantled all the factories in Aleppo, the economic capital, and stole the machine-tools. Similarly, he organised the theft of archeological treasures and set up an international market in Antioch…with the help of General Benoît Puga, Chief of Staff for the Elysée, he organised a false-flag operation intended to provoke the launching of a war by the Atlantic Alliance – the chemical bombing of la Ghoutta in Damascus, in August 2013 (http://www.voltairenet.org/article188337.html). “Meyssan claims that the Syria strategy of Erdoğan was initially secretly developed in coordination with former French Foreign Minister Alain Juppé and Erdoğan’s then Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, in 2011, after Juppe won a hesitant Erdoğan to the idea of supporting the attack on traditional Turkish ally Syria in return for a promise of French support for Turkish membership in the EU. France later backed out, leaving Erdoğan to continue the Syrian bloodbath largely on his own using ISIS (http://www.voltairenet.org/article188337.html).Gen. John R. Allen, an opponent of Obama’s Iran peace strategy, now US diplomatic envoy coordinating the coalition against the Islamic State, exceeded his authorized role after meeting with Erdoğan and “promised to create a « no-fly zone » ninety miles wide, over Syrian territory, along the whole border with Turkey, supposedly intended to help Syrian refugees fleeing from their government, but in reality to apply the « Juppé-Wright plan ». The Turkish Prime Minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu, revealed US support for the project on the TV channel A Haber by launching a bombing raid against the PKK.” Meyssan adds (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/world/middleeast/turkey-and-us-agree-on-plan-to-clear-isis-from-strip-of-northern-syria.html?ref=topics&_r=0).There are never winners in war and Erdoğan’s war against Syria’s Assad demonstrates that in bold. Turkey and the world deserve better. Ahmet Davutoğlu’s famous “Zero Problems With Neighbors” foreign policy has been turned into massive problems with all neighbors due to the foolish ambitions of Erdoğan and his gang.F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook” (http://journal-neo.org/).
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In October 2014 US Vice President Joe Biden told a Harvard gathering that Erdoğan’s regime was backing ISIS with “hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/05/politics/isis-biden-erdogan-apology/)…” Biden later apologized clearly for tactical reasons to get Erdoğan’s permission to use Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base for airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, but the dimensions of Erdoğan’s backing for ISIS since revealed is far, far more than Biden hinted.ISIS militants were trained by US, Israeli and now it emerges, by Turkish special forces at secret bases in Konya Province inside the Turkish border to Syria, over the past three years (http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state/). Erdoğan’s involvement in ISIS goes much deeper. At a time when Washington, Saudi Arabia and even Qatar appear to have cut off their support for ISIS, they remaining amazingly durable. The reason appears to be the scale of the backing from Erdoğan and his fellow neo-Ottoman Sunni Islam Prime Minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu.
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NATO’s Terror Convoys Halted at Syrian Border Column: Politics (http://journal-neo.org/category/columns/politics/)
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http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-26-at-06.44.17-300x173.png (http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-26-at-06.44.17.png)For years, NATO has granted impunity to convoys packed with supplies bound for ISIS and Al Qaeda. Russian airstrikes have stopped them dead in their tracks. If a legitimate, well-documented aid convoy carrying humanitarian supplies bound for civilians inside Syria was truly destroyed by Russian airstrikes, it is likely the world would never have heard the end of it.Instead, much of the world has heard little at all about a supposed “aid” convoy destroyed near Azaz, Syria, at the very edge of the Afrin-Jarabulus corridor through which the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) and Al Qaeda’s remaining supply lines pass, and in which NATO has long-sought to create a “buffer zone” more accurately described as a Syrian-based, NATO-occupied springboard from which to launch terrorism deeper into Syrian territory.The Turkish-based newspaper Daily Sabah reported in its article, “Russian airstrikes target aid convoy in northwestern Syrian town of Azaz, 7 killed (http://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-crisis/2015/11/25/russian-airstrikes-target-aid-convoy-in-northwestern-syrian-town-of-azaz-7-killed),” claims:
At least seven people died, 10 got injured after an apparent airstrike, reportedly by Russian jets, targeted an aid convoy in northwestern Syrian town of Azaz near a border crossing with Turkey on Wednesday.Daily Sabah also reported:
Speaking to Daily Sabah, Serkan Nergis from the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH) said that the targeted area is located some 5 kilometers southwest of the Öncüpınar Border Crossing. Nergis said that IHH has a civil defense unit in Azaz and they helped locals to extinguish the trucks. Trucks were probably carrying aid supplies or commercial materials, Nergis added.
Daily Sabah’s report also reveals that the Turkish-Syrian border crossing of Oncupinar is held by what it calls “rebels.” The border crossing of Oncupinar should be familiar to many as it was the scene of Germany’s international broadcaster Deutsche Welle’s (DW) investigative report where DW camera crews videotaped hundreds of trucks waiting at the border, bound for ISIS territory, apparently with full approval of Ankara.The report was published in November of 2014, a full year ago, and revealed precisely how ISIS has been able to maintain its otherwise inexplicable and seemingly inexhaustible fighting capacity. The report titled, “‘IS’ supply channels through Turkey (http://www.dw.com/en/is-supply-channels-through-turkey/av-18091048),” included a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akbfplUcjLU) and a description which read:
Every day, trucks laden with food, clothing, and other supplies cross the border from Turkey to Syria. It is unclear who is picking up the goods. The haulers believe most of the cargo is going to the “Islamic State” militia. Oil, weapons, and soldiers are also being smuggled over the border, and Kurdish volunteers are now patrolling the area in a bid to stem the supplies.The report, and many others like it, left many around the world wondering why, if the US is willing to carry out risky military operations deep within Syrian territory to allegedly “fight ISIS,” the US and its allies don’t commit to a much less riskier strategy of securing the Turkish-Syrian border within Turkey’s territory itself – especially considering that the United States maintains an airbase, training camps, and intelligence outposts within Turkish territory and along the very border ISIS supply convoys are crossing over.Ideally, NATO should have interdicted these supply convoys before they even crossed over into Syria – arresting the drivers and tracking those who filled the trucks back to their source and arresting them as well. Alternatively, the trucks should have been destroyed either at the border or at the very least, once they had entered into Syria and were clearly headed toward ISIS-occupied territory.That none of this took place left many to draw conclusions that the impunity granted to this overt logistical network was intentional and implicated NATO directly (http://journal-neo.org/2015/06/09/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/) in the feeding of the very ISIS terrorists it claimed to be “fighting.”
Russia Steps In http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ISIS_Convoys-300x168.jpg (http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ISIS_Convoys.jpg)Obviously, any nation truly interested in defeating ISIS would attack it at its very source – its supply lines. Military weaponry may have changed over the centuries, but military strategy, particularly identifying and severing an enemy’s supply lines is a tried and true method of achieving victory in any conflict.Russia, therefore, would find these convoys a natural target and would attempt to hit them as close to the Syrian-Turkish border as possible, to negate any chance the supplies would successfully reach ISIS’ hands. Russian President Vladmir Putin noted, regarding the Azaz convoy in particular, that if the convoy was legitimately carrying aid, it would have been declared, and its activities made known to all nations operating military aircraft in the region.The trucks hit in the recent airstrikes, just as they were during the DW investigation, were carrying concrete and steel, not “milk and diapers” as the West would lead audiences to believe. That the supplies were passing through a “rebel” controlled crossing means that the supplies were surely headed to “rebel” controlled territory – either Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front in the west, or ISIS in the east.Russian airstrikes insured that the supplies reached neither.
Strangling NATO’s Terrorists at the Border Russia’s increased activity along the Syrian-Turkish border signifies the closing phases of the Syrian conflict. With Syrian and Kurdish forces holding the border east of the Euphrates, the Afrin-Jarabulus corridor is the only remaining conduit for supplies bound for terrorists in Syria to pass. Syrian forces have begun pushing east toward the Euphrates from Aleppo, and then will move north to the Syrian-Turkish border near Jarabulus. Approximately 90-100 km west near Afrin, Ad Dana, and Azaz, it appears Russia has begun cutting off terrorist supply lines right at the border. It is likely Syrian forces will arrive and secure this region as well.For those that have criticized Russia’s air campaign claiming conflicts can’t be won from the air without a ground component, it should be clear by now that the Syrian Arab Army is that ground component, and has dealt ISIS and Al Qaeda its most spectacular defeats in the conflict.When this corridor is closed and supplies cut off, ISIS, Nusra, and all associated NATO-backed factions will atrophy and die as the Syrian military restores order across the country. This may be why there has been a sudden “rush” by the West to move assets into the region, the impetus driving the United States to place special forces into Syrian territory itself (http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/31/us-invasion-of-syria-begins/), and for Turkey’s ambush of a Russian Su-24 (http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/24/russian-warplane-down-natos-act-of-war/) near the Syrian-Turkish border.What all of this adds up to is a clear illustration of precisely why the Syrian conflict was never truly a “civil war.” The summation of support for militants fighting against the Syrian government and people, has come from beyond Syria’s borders. With that support being cut off and the prospect of these militants being eradicated, the true sponsors behind this conflict are moving more directly and overtly to salvage their failed conspiracy against the Syrian state.What we see emerging is what was suspected and even obvious all along – a proxy war started by, and fought for Western hegemonic ambitions in the region, intentionally feeding the forces of extremism (http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/24/why-the-west-won-t-hit-isis-where-it-hurts/), not fighting them.Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine“ (http://journal-neo.org/)New Eastern Outlook” (http://journal-neo.org/).
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/29/natos-terror-convoys-halted-at-syrian-border/

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Both McCain, the chair of the Senate Committee on Armed Services, and Graham, one of its members, sharply criticised current US strategy as insufficient and unsuccessful in defeating the jihadists.
That strategy has consisted of carrying out air strikes against IS in Iraq and Syria in support of local ground forces, which have also received weapons and training.
"I think 100,000 would be (the) total requirement," McCain told journalists in Baghdad when asked about the size of the anti-IS force he and Graham were advocating for Syria.
"That would not be hard for Egypt; it would be hard for Saudis, it would be hard for some of the smaller countries," but Turkey could also provide forces, McCain said.
Saudi Arabia is already involved in a war in Yemen, while Egypt is battling an insurgency and Turkey is more concerned with Kurdish rebels than IS.
The force would also include some 10,000 American soldiers "providing capability the Arabs don't possess," said Graham, adding: "When's the last time an Arab army's manoeuvered?"
The two senators also called for the number of American forces in Iraq to be increased to around 10,000.
That figure would include special forces to conduct "more of the raids you saw not long ago," Graham said.
American special forces accompanied Kurdish troops on an operation in Iraq last month during which one US soldier was killed.
"This is different than the last two wars," said Graham, referring to the 14-year war in Afghanistan and the nearly nine-year conflict in Iraq, during which the group that became IS was founded.
"This time (it would) be a large regional army with a small Western component. The last two wars have been large Western components with a very small regional force," he said.
But even if this force were formed and defeated IS, it would then have to occupy part of Syria, spelling another potentially lengthy deployment of American ground troops in the Middle East.
"In my construct, it'd be an international holding force, Sunni Arabs would be holding that part of Syria where they're welcomed," after it was cleared of IS, Graham said.
But "the bottom line is, the whole international community would have to be part of holding," he said.


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[mick silver]

comments . could people be waking up ............How about we stop borrowing money and start charging them over there for our help. NOt giving away our help and charging for it. Its war it costs money and lives are worth more than money. We could be out of debt if we were taking their money for all the supplies, arms, etc. Make them pay for it. Make them pay for what it costs our military to be over there. Stop lying to the people about debt. We shouldn't even be in debt, Iraq had enough oil and gold to support the war efforts and to pay off everything we owed. Why didn't they pay for it? Why are you tricking us into having to pay for your stupid war. Tax the hell out of them for our help. Every day we are there and the cost of the weaponry we expend should be bought and paid for by them. Weapons shouldn't be funded to them weapons should be cash on delivery. That is how businesses that work run. Your failed policies are bringing America down. Enough is enough. Stop spending our money on them and give back to the people. We don't own any of the debt you caused. https://news.yahoo.com/us-senators-want-100-000-foreign-troops-fight-180438374.html After such pronouncements, it is easy to agree with those who claim that the main problem in the world is the desire of American elites to make the world a better place. It is so easy to throw our force on every problem and then, after the mess is created, to switch to another one. Witness Vietnam, Somali, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen. We are inserting ourselves everywhere with the best of intentions, but in each place the local players always have their own agendas which are very different from ours and then a very bloody mess becomes unstoppable. I wonder why people like McCain and Graham are not capable of learning from their own experience.

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what? do people think the arms a given for nothing? there is a price. The countries that get the weapons pay for the weapons. No one gets anything for free. They might get credit but there are no freebies.

[Neuro]

"In my construct, it'd be an international holding force, Sunni Arabs would be holding that part of Syria where they're welcomed," after it was cleared of IS, Graham said.
This is the insanity, they have declared that neither Christians or Aliwites are welcome in Syria, both really sizable communities! They are supporting ethnic cleansing in their world domination. The Christian Syrians are the original occupants of Syria, often times they are pale-skinned, have Mediterranean blond hair, and blue or green eyes. They gave this land to the Sunni Arab Jihadists, and it was decided long ago. They have been pounding on all the secular regimes of the Middle East since 1991, never said a bad word against Sunni fundamentalist Wahabist Saudi Arabia.

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PARIS (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday the reason Turkey downed a Russian warplane last week was that it wanted to protect supplies of oil from Islamic State.
Putin, speaking at the global climate conference in Paris, added that the decision to shoot down the plane was a "huge mistake" and that he had not met Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Monday, despite them both being in Paris.
"We have received additional data which confirm that Islamic State oil ... enters the territory of Turkey," Putin said. "The decision to shoot down the plane was dictated specifically by a desire to defend supplies."
Erdogan has called claims that Turkey buys oil from Islamic State "slander".
Relations between Russia and Turkey have nosedived since Turkey shot down the Russian bomber near the Syrian-Turkish border on Nov. 24.
Turkish officials have said the plane violated Turkish airspace and had been warned repeatedly. Moscow says the aircraft was over Syria, where Russia is carrying out an air campaign to support the forces of President Bashar al-Assad in a four-year-old civil war.
Putin on Saturday signed a decree imposing economic sanctions on Turkey, while Erdogan has said Turkey will not apologize over the incident.
On Monday Russia said the ban would be mainly of agricultural products and it might expand the sanctions if needed.

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Russia arms Su-34s with air-to-air missiles in Syria for 1st time
Russia arms Su-34s with air-to-air missiles in Syria for 1st time Published time: 30 Nov, 2015 14:44Edited time: 30 Nov, 2015 15:27
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Russian Su-34 bombers, additionally equipped with air-to-air missiles, have set out on their first mission in Syria, said Igor Klimov, spokesman for the Russian Air Force.
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“Today, Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers have made their first sortie equipped not only with high explosive aviation bombs and hollow charge bombs, but also with short- and medium-range air-to-air missiles," Klimov said.
"The planes are equipped with missiles for defensive purposes," he added.
The missiles have target-seeking devices and are “capable of hitting air targets within a 60km radius,” he said.

Turkish F-16s shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber operating in Syria on November 24, with Ankara claiming that the warplane had violated Turkish airspace. Moscow has rejected the claims, saying that according to its military intelligence the Su-24 never left Syrian airspace.
On Monday, Turkey's prime minister said that Ankara will not apologize for the incident.

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"No Turkish prime minister or president will apologize ... for doing our duty," Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters after meeting NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg in Brussels.
In the wake of the downing, President Vladimir Putin on Saturday signed a decree imposing a package of economic sanctions against Turkey. The measures include banning several Turkish organizations and the import of certain goods. Under the sanctions, the visa-free regime for Turkish nationals traveling to Russia will be suspended starting next year. The Russian government has also been tasked with introducing a ban on charter flights between Russia and Turkey and to enhance security control at Russian ports on the Sea of Azov and Black Sea.
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Russia has been conducting airstrikes targeting Islamic State militants (IS, former ISIS, ISIL) and other terrorist groups in Syria since September 30. The strikes were launched after a formal request from Damascus. Russian jets have been carrying out sorties from Moscow’s Khmeimim Air Base in Latakia.
On Thursday, Moscow recalled its military representative from Turkey. At the same time Russian Defense Ministry said that all channels of military cooperation with Ankara were suspended including a hotline set up to share information about Russian airstrikes in Syria.

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Russia has ‘more proof’ ISIS oil routed through Turkey, Erdogan says he’ll resign if it’s true Published time: 30 Nov, 2015 18:32Edited time: 30 Nov, 2015 20:20
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Russia has received additional intelligence confirming that oil from deposits controlled by Islamic State is moved through Turkey on an industrial scale, said Vladimir Putin. President Recep Erdogan said he will resign if this is confirmed.
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Moscow has grounds to suspect that the Su-24 was downed by Turkish jets on November 24 to secure illegal oil deliveries from Syria to Turkey, he said speaking on the sidelines of the climate change summit in Paris on Monday.
“At the moment we have received additional information confirming that that oil from the deposits controlled by Islamic State militants enters Turkish territory on industrial scale,” he said.
“We have every reason to believe that the decision to down our plane was guided by a desire to ensure security of this oil’s delivery routes to ports where they are shipped in tankers,” Putin said.
Speaking in Paris on Monday, President Recep Erdogan said that he will leave office if there is proof of Turkey’s cooperation with IS.
“We are not that dishonest as to buy oil from terrorists. If it is proven that we have, in fact, done so, I will leave office. If there is any evidence, let them present it, we’ll consider [it],” he said, as quoted by TASS.
The countries from which Turkey buys oil are “well known,” said Erdogan.
He called on Russia to comment on the US’ recent black-listing of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the World Chess Federation President, accusing him of “materially assisting and acting for or on behalf of the Government of Syria.” Erdogan alleged Ilyumzhinov had been dealing with Islamic State oil.

Terrorists have been abusing the visa-free regime between Russia and Turkey to move freely, the Russian leader said adding that Ankara failed to address the issue after Russia raised it.
“We have been asking [Ankara] for a long time to pay attention” to the threat posed by some terrorists active in separate regions of Russia, including the northern Caucuses, that have been “emerging on Turkish territory,” Putin said.

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Moscow has asked Ankara to “stop this practice,” he added, but pointed out that “we have traced some located on the territory of the Turkish Republic and living in regions guarded by special security services and police that have used the visa-free regime to return to our territory, where we continue to fight them,” he added.

Answering a question as to whether Moscow wants to form a broad based anti-terrorist coalition, Putin said Russia has always supported this initiative, “but this cannot be done while someone continues to use several terrorist organizations to reach their immediate goals.”
Putin admitted that he was personally saddened by the deterioration of relations with Turkey. He explained that “problems do exist and they emerged a long time ago and we have been trying to resolve them in dialogue with our Turkish partners.”

Putin said he has heard Ankara’s claims that it was not Erdogan who made the decision to down the Russian jet. However, he stressed that for Russia “it doesn’t really matter” which official made the decision.
“As a result of this criminal campaign our two soldiers died – a crew commander and a marine, who was part of the rescue team of the [Su-24] crew,” he said, adding that Turkey’s actions had been “a huge mistake.”
Russo-Turkish relations have deteriorated in the wake of the downing of Russia’s Su-24 by Turkish jets over Syria on November 24. Russia imposed a package of economic sanctions against Turkey last Thursday, which included banning several Turkish organizations and the import of certain goods, as well as cancelling the visa-free regime for Turkish citizens travelling to Russia starting next year.

Speaking on the sidelines of the summit, Erdogan said that Ankara will act “patiently, not emotionally” before imposing any counter-measures.
Meanwhile, ahead of the summit, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu stated that Ankara will not apologize “for doing our duty.”
Putin and Erdogan were hoped to meet at the environmental summit taking place in Paris, but Putin said that no meeting was held on Monday.

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Kadyrov blames Turkey for executing ‘Western plan to destroy Muslim nations’Published time: 30 Nov, 2015 14:13Edited time: 30 Nov, 2015 17:34
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The head of the Chechen Republic has accused the Turkish authorities of aiding the Islamic State terrorist group and taking part clandestinely in Western nations’ plots to weaken and destroy Islam.
Ramzan Kadyrov shared his ideas through a post on Instagram. He said it was a reply to accusations by Turkish mass media that he was opposing Muslims and acting on the side of infidels. Also, the Chechen leader countered the statements of the same mass media that Turkey has always helped the Chechen people.
“I prefer exact statements and I am asking you – when, where and with which has Turkey ever helped Chechnya and my people? Show me a single school, hospital, kindergarten or mosque presented to Chechnya,” Kadyrov wrote. “You only helped terrorists, Wahhabis. You raised funds for them, you offered them medical treatment and rest and they committed terrorist attacks, and killed Chechen people. Was this your help?”
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The Chechen leader also accused Turkish journalists of distorting historical facts, saying the ‘help’ could be the immigration of tens of thousands of Chechens to Turkey in the 19th century, but this caused nothing but suffering. “Turkey lured tens of thousands of Chechens through deceit. They had to live in very harsh conditions. Over half of them perished within the first five years and any attempts to return to Russia were answered with gunfire,” Kadyrov said.
He went on to accuse the Turkish authorities of helping terrorists from Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and other terrorist groups. “Turkey is not fighting ISIS! They are making business, they buy oil from them and finance the enemies of Islam who kill thousands of Muslims!” he wrote.
“The aircraft that Turkey has shot down was our aircraft! You know that there are millions of Muslims in Russia, why did you act on the hint of the United States and other Western nations, downed our plane and killed our pilot, who fought ISIS and protected Muslims?” the Chechen leader asked his Turkish opponents.

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“I am the defender of Islam and Turkish authorities are helping to destroy Muslim nations and peoples. Wake up!” Kadyrov concluded.
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Ramzan Kadyrov presents himself as a devout Muslim and often addresses the global Muslim community on various issues. Earlier this year, he expressed confidence that IS had been created “first of all against Russia,” and warned of the threat the jihadist group and the conflict in Syria pose to Russia’s security.
He has also repeatedly accused the US and other Western nations of “spawning” IS in order to incite hatred towards Muslims all over the world, distract public attention from numerous problems in the Middle East, and destroy Islamic nations from inside

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The recent developments in Turkey, including the arrests of three top officers for intercepting Syria-bound trucks that belonged to Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization (MIT) and the arrests of journalists charged with espionage look like a “choreographed fight against abettors of foreign villains,” writes a journalist from RIA Novosti.

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“It is absolutely clear that in Turkey’s top echelons there has begun …“some stirring,” Pavel Ivanov wrote in his article for the RIA Novosti website.Ankara, he says, will pretend to be “fighting against traitors among its public servants who had taken the side of terrorists. But what about the stream of information that the radicals are being supported, not just by some particular Turkish civil servants or those in uniform, but by the whole political top elite of the country?”
So, the author predicts, we will witness more of a “choreographed fight against the abettors of foreign villains” rather than a real fight against terrorism, as Turkey will need to restore its stained reputation.
We will see more arrests among the country’s generals, but for another reason – as a mean of “elementary self-protection.”

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The country will almost surely suffer from the economic and political consequences of its unmasked aggression towards Russia and it might well destroy the power of those at the top.And in hard times for the country, the officers and the army traditionally take on a special responsibility. A similar situation happened back in 1980, when, after the Turkish coup d'état, headed by Chief of the General Staff General Kenan Evren, power was transferred to the country’s armed forces. As a result, 50 people were executed, 500,000 were arrested and hundreds died in prison.
And this is the scenario, which the current president and his so-called allies, “fear like the plague”. “Thus the process has begun.”






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The Turkish army has effectively been declawed the last 15 years. As its independence has shrunk due to arrests of officers potentially opposed to the ruling Islamist ak-party the army has been transformed into a support the Islamic government force. There will be no coup from them. That used to be the rule in earlier decades if/when the government stepped out of the line of secular kemalism (the ideology of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, a man remarkably close to Hitler in ideology) too far...

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US and Saudi AWACS provided support for Turkish attack on Russian Su-24.


Ambush of Russian bomber was guided by US Reconnaissance


[ Editor’s Note: We have this via a South African veterans organization and Gene Khrushchev of the VT board, who is now at the Russian consulate in Cape town. The hotlink above is to the original Russian source. We have verified with our VT experts that Turkish ground radar trying set something like this up would be hit or miss.

As you will read below, the timing was a bit off, so the Turkish cameras did not have the angle needed to confirm a shoot down over Turkish territory, and a better chance of capturing the pilots, which was what we feel the real target was.

You will remember that the early report from Erdogan’s Turkman on the Syrian side was that both pilots had been killed. Because the parachutes came down so far inside Syria, we saw the video of the jihadis blasting away at the parachutes, not wanting live pilots at that point being recovered by Syrian forces to give the testimony that the survivor gave.

I have mentioned in earlier editor notes that I was surprised that Obama jumped in so quickly to back up the Turks on the shoot down, when the first statement would have been more suitable for the Joint Chief of Staff or Ash Carter. Someone felt that putting the president out there quickly would send a signal that “no competing statements” were to be put out by other US sources.

I have written in the past that the Western coalition would be getting more and more desperate to derail the momentum of the successful counter terrorism campaign by the Syrian coalition, and that some stupid things might be done. This new material fits that scenario.

Plus, while the NATO emergency meeting did not result in any uniform agreement as to confirming a Turkish airspace violation, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg went way over the line with his supporting the Turkish claims of it right to defend its airspace.

NATO’s procedures for such an encounter involve escorting a wayward plane back over the border, not shooting it down if no declared hostilities were in motion. That was supposed to be the “deconfliction” deal that was made with Russsia.

It appears Obama and NATO decided to bluff their way through it. So Putin has countered with with releasing that he not only has more information on Erdogan’s gang looting Syrian oil and other assets, but that the US coalition gang has also known about it all along. The Pentagon thinks we are stupid enough to believe their tall tale of not bombing the tanker truck because they were “civilian targets”. You just can’t make this stuff up!

I was surprised to see NATO stick its neck out like that, but now we see that NATO command would have been in the loop on the bushwhack plans, and the usual procedure is to do whatever is necessary to cover up a mission gone bad. So what is the bottom line here?

If the US and the Saudi’s helped triangulate this attack, then it was an overt act of war, which included NATO as an accessory, and a violation of a number of international laws, not to mention the UN charter. All countries with satellite coverage of the battlefield know exactly what happened.

A Congressional investigation needs to be initiated right away, if for nothing else to put a stop to anymore such provocations. That investigation should include looking into other Western-coalition terrorist operations to further its aims in Syria. This would include the Israeli/NATO air exercise going on in the Negev desert within missile range of the Russian tourist plane that was taken down in the Sinai. Color me suspicious… Jim W. Dean (http://www.veteranstoday.com/staff-writers/) ]


A Russian military expert and columnist of the journal Arsenal of the Fatherland explains the details of the downing of the bomber and why not all went smoothly in an interview to the news agency Regnum

How did it all happen?

A U.S. Air Force Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS plane took off on 24 November from the Preveza airbase in Greece. A second E-3A of the Saudi Arabian air force took off from the Riyadh airbase. Both planes were executing a common task—determining the precise location of Russian aircraft. It is they that picked the “victim.”

The American E-3A was supposed to determine the activity of the Su-24M2’s onboard targeting radar, to determine if it was in search mode or if it had already locked on to a target and was processing launch data. It is known that the AWACS can direct the activity of aircraft in battle, conveying information to their avionics and flight computers.

That is, to determine how defenseless was our plane?

As it turns out, yes. As we know, the Su-24M2 was returning from its mission, and its flight computer was operating in “navigation” mode in tandem with the GLONASS [Russian GPS system.] It was returning to base and was not preparing for action.

The whole time, the E-3s were transferring detailed information about the Su-24M2 to a pair of Turkish F-16CJ’s. This plane [the F-16CJ] had been specifically built for Turkey. Its distinctive feature is a computer that controls a new, AN/APG-68 radar system, and which fulfills the role of a copilot-navigator.

But this information is obviously not enough to precision-strike a small target. Was something else used?

Indeed, the interception accuracy of the F-16CJ fighters was augmented by ground-based U.S. Patriot air defense systems, which are deployed in Turkey, or more precisely, their multirole AN/MPQ-53 radars. The Patriot can work with an E-3 or with MENTOR spy satellites, and it can’t be ruled out that the satellite assets involved the Geosat space system as well.

The flight trajectory of the F-16CJ indicates a precision interception of its target by means of triangulation: A pair of E-3s plus the Patriot’s air defense radar plus the geostationary MENTOR spy satellites plus, possibly, the Geosat space system.

Besides which, the E-3s provided guidance as to the location of our plane in the air; they determined its route, speed, and the status of its weapons control systems; and the Patriot’s air defense radar together with the MENTOR spy satellite provided telemetry on the SU-24M2’s movement relative to the ground surface—that is, it provided a precise prediction as to where our plane would be visible relative to the mountainous terrain.

So it turns out that the Turkish fighters knew with absolutely certainty where to wait in ambush for our plane?

Of course. A pair of F-16CJ’s flew to the [missile] launch zone and, at a distance of 4-6 kilometers, practically point blank!, launched an AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile into the rear hemisphere of our Russian bomber. Besides which, the AN/APG-68 onboard radar of the fighter which launched the missile, was working in “target illumination” mode. That is, it turned on at the moment of launch, and turned off as soon as the missile definitively locked on to its target.

Did our pilots have a chance to save their plane?

No. The Su-24M2 crew’s probability of escaping destruction was equal to zero…

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Germany says Syria buying oil from ISIS that ISIS stole from Syria and they have evidence which they will not show AND 100% Turkey is not buying oil stolen from Syria by ISIS and there is absolutely no evidence of this.



There is evidence showing Assad regime buys oil from Daesh, German Foreign Ministry says.

The German government has accused the Bashar al-Assad regime of buying oil from the ISIS organization, which Damascus had previously designated as its enemy.

German Foreign Ministry deputy spokeswoman Sawsan Chebli told a news conference in Berlin on Tuesday that there was evidence of oil transactions between the Assad regime and ISIS.

Asked about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s claim that Turkey was buying oil from ISIS, Chebli said that German authorities have no information supporting these particular claims.

"But what we know for example is that the Assad regime has received large amounts of oil from ISIS. We have evidence; we have indications showing that this is the case," she added.

German government spokesman Steffen Seibert also criticized accusations directed at Turkey, saying there was no serious evidence indicating Turkey was tolerating or actively supporting such oil purchases with ISIS.

"We do not see such accusations without any evidence as helpful. We believe that the international community should focus strengthening the fight against ISIS, and refrain from everything that can strengthen ISIS," he stressed, using an alternative acronym for the terrorist group.

Following the downing of a Russian warplane that violated Turkey’s airspace near the Syrian border on Nov. 24, Russia announced sanctions against Turkey and President Vladimir Putin has alleged Turkish involvement in oil purchases from ISIS.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has challenged Putin and said he will step down if Russian claims that Turkey buys oil from ISIS are proved. He called on Putin to do the same if they are not.
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Black is white, up is down, yes is no. They just invert things 180 degrees and publish that. Astounding but people suck it up.

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's defense ministry said on Wednesday it had proof that Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan and his family were benefiting from the illegal smuggling of oil from Islamic State-held territory in Syria and Iraq.
Moscow and Ankara have been locked in a war of words since last week when a Turkish air force jet shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian-Turkish border, the most serious incident between Russia and a NATO state in half a century.
At a briefing in Moscow, defense ministry officials displayed satellite images which they said showed columns of tanker trucks loading with oil at installations controlled by Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, and then crossing the border into neighboring Turkey.
The officials did not specify what direct evidence they had of the involvement of Erdogan and his family, an allegation that the Turkish president has vehemently denied.
"Turkey is the main consumer of the oil stolen from its rightful owners, Syria and Iraq. According to information we've received, the senior political leadership of the country - President Erdogan and his family - are involved in this criminal business," said Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov.
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"Maybe I'm being too blunt, but one can only entrust control over this thieving business to one's closest associates."
"In the West, no one has asked questions about the fact that the Turkish president's son heads one of the biggest energy companies, or that his son-in-law has been appointed energy minister. What a marvelous family business!"
"The cynicism of the Turkish leadership knows no limits. Look what they're doing. They went into someone else's country, they are robbing it without compunction," Antonov said.
Erdogan last week denied that Turkey procures oil from anything other than legitimate sources.
He has said Ankara is taking active steps to prevent fuel smuggling, and he challenged anyone who accused his government of collaborating with Islamic State to prove their allegations.
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On Tuesday, U.S. President Barack Obama said Turkey had made progress in sealing its border with Syria, but Islamic State was still exploiting gaps to bring in foreign fighters and sell oil.
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The Russian defense ministry also alleged that the same criminal networks which were smuggling oil into Turkey were also supplying weapons, equipment and training to Islamic State and other Islamist groups.
"According to our reliable intelligence data, Turkey has been carrying out such operations for a long period and on a regular basis. And most importantly, it does not plan to stop them," Sergei Rudskoy, deputy head of the Russian military's General Staff, told reporters.
The defense ministry said its surveillance revealed that hundreds of tanker trucks were gathering in plain sight at Islamic State-controlled sites in Iraq and Syria to load up with oil, and it questioned why the U.S.-led coalition was not launching more air strikes on them.
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"It's hard not to notice them," Rudskoy said of the lines of trucks shown on satellite images.
Officials said that the Russian air force's bombing campaign had made a significant dent in Islamic State's ability to produce, refine and sell oil.
SMUGGLING ROUTES
Ministry officials described three main routes by which they said oil and oil products were smuggled from Islamic State territory into Turkey.
It said the Western route took oil produced at fields near the Syrian city of Raqqa to the settlement of Azaz on the border with Turkey.
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From there the columns of tanker trucks pass through the Turkish town of Reyhanli, the ministry said, citing what it said were satellite pictures of hundreds of such trucks moving through the border crossing without obstruction.
"There is no inspection of the vehicles carried out ... on the Turkish side," said Rudskoy.
Some of the smuggled cargoes go to the Turkish domestic market, while some is exported via the Turkish Mediterranean ports of Iskenderun and Dortyol, the ministry said.
Another main route for smuggled oil, according to the ministry, runs from Deir Ez-zour in Syria to the Syrian border crossing at Al-Qamishli. It said the trucks then took the crude for refining at the Turkish city of Batman.
A third route took oil from eastern Syria and western Iraq into the south-eastern corner of Turkey, the ministry said.
It said its satellite surveillance had captured hundreds of trucks crossing the border in that area back in the summer, and that since then there had been no reduction in the flow.
The defense ministry officials said the information they released on Wednesday was only part of the evidence they have in their possession, and that they would be releasing further intelligence in the next days and weeks.
(Additional reporting by Alexander Winning; Writing by Christian Lowe; Editing by Andrew Osborn and Giles Elgood)

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with the comments I am seeing people are calling out all the leaders around the world out ...We are sending soldiers to fight these guys that our ally Turkey is funding and supporting through oil sales. If our president knows this , this is treason. We are spending billions of dollars to shoot holes around these fighters and France goes in one day and shoots at the headquarters. Our government is not being honest with us and we should demand that our interest are pulled from this region. Saudi Arabia is fueling the hatred with their own Shahira law. They don't take in the refugees of even their open government sponsored religion but our president feels we americans should? This is beyond ridiculous.

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Damascus (AFP) - Russian and Syrian forces have been holding joint training exercises in Syria's Latakia province for the past fortnight to prepare for fighting in neighbouring rebel-held Idlib, a security source said Wednesday.
"The joint Russian-Syrian training began two weeks ago in the north of Latakia province," a regime stronghold on the country's coast, the source told AFP.
The exercises were being conducted in an area of Latakia with similar terrain to Idlib province, which is held by a coalition of rebels known as the Army of Conquest.
"In the next stage, Idlib will become the major destination and most important target of joint Russian-Syrian military operations," the source said.
The source said Idlib was now home to the largest number of rebel movements, excluding the Islamic State group, anywhere in the country.
The Army of Conquest, which includes Al-Qaeda affiliate Al-Nusra Front, wrested control of the entire province in northwestern Syria earlier this year, dealing a serious strategic and psychological blow to the regime.
Staunch government ally Moscow began an aerial bombing campaign in support of regime forces on September 30, saying it was targeting IS and other extremist groups.
But rebels from other groups accuse Russia of focusing its firepower more on moderate and Islamist opposition fighters than IS.

[Jewboo]

with the comments I am seeing people are calling out all the leaders around the world out ...We are sending soldiers to fight these guys that our ally Turkey is funding and supporting through oil sales. If our president knows this , this is treason. We are spending billions of dollars to shoot holes around these fighters and France goes in one day and shoots at the headquarters. Our government is not being honest with us and we should demand that our interest are pulled from this region. Saudi Arabia is fueling the hatred with their own Shahira law. They don't take in the refugees of even their open government sponsored religion but our president feels we americans should? This is beyond ridiculous.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/12/20151201_inter.jpg

American Taxpayers did this for Israel.


:rolleyes:

[mick silver]

NATO’s Terror Convoys Halted at Syrian Border Column: Politics (http://journal-neo.org/category/columns/politics/)
Region: Middle East (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/)
Country: Syria (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/siriya/)


http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-26-at-06.44.17-300x173.png (http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-26-at-06.44.17.png)For years, NATO has granted impunity to convoys packed with supplies bound for ISIS and Al Qaeda. Russian airstrikes have stopped them dead in their tracks. If a legitimate, well-documented aid convoy carrying humanitarian supplies bound for civilians inside Syria was truly destroyed by Russian airstrikes, it is likely the world would never have heard the end of it.Instead, much of the world has heard little at all about a supposed “aid” convoy destroyed near Azaz, Syria, at the very edge of the Afrin-Jarabulus corridor through which the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) and Al Qaeda’s remaining supply lines pass, and in which NATO has long-sought to create a “buffer zone” more accurately described as a Syrian-based, NATO-occupied springboard from which to launch terrorism deeper into Syrian territory.The Turkish-based newspaper Daily Sabah reported in its article, “Russian airstrikes target aid convoy in northwestern Syrian town of Azaz, 7 killed (http://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-crisis/2015/11/25/russian-airstrikes-target-aid-convoy-in-northwestern-syrian-town-of-azaz-7-killed),” claims:
At least seven people died, 10 got injured after an apparent airstrike, reportedly by Russian jets, targeted an aid convoy in northwestern Syrian town of Azaz near a border crossing with Turkey on Wednesday.Daily Sabah also reported:
Speaking to Daily Sabah, Serkan Nergis from the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH) said that the targeted area is located some 5 kilometers southwest of the Öncüpınar Border Crossing. Nergis said that IHH has a civil defense unit in Azaz and they helped locals to extinguish the trucks. Trucks were probably carrying aid supplies or commercial materials, Nergis added.
Daily Sabah’s report also reveals that the Turkish-Syrian border crossing of Oncupinar is held by what it calls “rebels.” The border crossing of Oncupinar should be familiar to many as it was the scene of Germany’s international broadcaster Deutsche Welle’s (DW) investigative report where DW camera crews videotaped hundreds of trucks waiting at the border, bound for ISIS territory, apparently with full approval of Ankara.The report was published in November of 2014, a full year ago, and revealed precisely how ISIS has been able to maintain its otherwise inexplicable and seemingly inexhaustible fighting capacity. The report titled, “‘IS’ supply channels through Turkey (http://www.dw.com/en/is-supply-channels-through-turkey/av-18091048),” included a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akbfplUcjLU) and a description which read:
Every day, trucks laden with food, clothing, and other supplies cross the border from Turkey to Syria. It is unclear who is picking up the goods. The haulers believe most of the cargo is going to the “Islamic State” militia. Oil, weapons, and soldiers are also being smuggled over the border, and Kurdish volunteers are now patrolling the area in a bid to stem the supplies.The report, and many others like it, left many around the world wondering why, if the US is willing to carry out risky military operations deep within Syrian territory to allegedly “fight ISIS,” the US and its allies don’t commit to a much less riskier strategy of securing the Turkish-Syrian border within Turkey’s territory itself – especially considering that the United States maintains an airbase, training camps, and intelligence outposts within Turkish territory and along the very border ISIS supply convoys are crossing over.Ideally, NATO should have interdicted these supply convoys before they even crossed over into Syria – arresting the drivers and tracking those who filled the trucks back to their source and arresting them as well. Alternatively, the trucks should have been destroyed either at the border or at the very least, once they had entered into Syria and were clearly headed toward ISIS-occupied territory.That none of this took place left many to draw conclusions that the impunity granted to this overt logistical network was intentional and implicated NATO directly (http://journal-neo.org/2015/06/09/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/) in the feeding of the very ISIS terrorists it claimed to be “fighting.”
Russia Steps In http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ISIS_Convoys-300x168.jpg (http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ISIS_Convoys.jpg)Obviously, any nation truly interested in defeating ISIS would attack it at its very source – its supply lines. Military weaponry may have changed over the centuries, but military strategy, particularly identifying and severing an enemy’s supply lines is a tried and true method of achieving victory in any conflict.Russia, therefore, would find these convoys a natural target and would attempt to hit them as close to the Syrian-Turkish border as possible, to negate any chance the supplies would successfully reach ISIS’ hands. Russian President Vladmir Putin noted, regarding the Azaz convoy in particular, that if the convoy was legitimately carrying aid, it would have been declared, and its activities made known to all nations operating military aircraft in the region.The trucks hit in the recent airstrikes, just as they were during the DW investigation, were carrying concrete and steel, not “milk and diapers” as the West would lead audiences to believe. That the supplies were passing through a “rebel” controlled crossing means that the supplies were surely headed to “rebel” controlled territory – either Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front in the west, or ISIS in the east.Russian airstrikes insured that the supplies reached neither.
Strangling NATO’s Terrorists at the Border Russia’s increased activity along the Syrian-Turkish border signifies the closing phases of the Syrian conflict. With Syrian and Kurdish forces holding the border east of the Euphrates, the Afrin-Jarabulus corridor is the only remaining conduit for supplies bound for terrorists in Syria to pass. Syrian forces have begun pushing east toward the Euphrates from Aleppo, and then will move north to the Syrian-Turkish border near Jarabulus. Approximately 90-100 km west near Afrin, Ad Dana, and Azaz, it appears Russia has begun cutting off terrorist supply lines right at the border. It is likely Syrian forces will arrive and secure this region as well.For those that have criticized Russia’s air campaign claiming conflicts can’t be won from the air without a ground component, it should be clear by now that the Syrian Arab Army is that ground component, and has dealt ISIS and Al Qaeda its most spectacular defeats in the conflict.When this corridor is closed and supplies cut off, ISIS, Nusra, and all associated NATO-backed factions will atrophy and die as the Syrian military restores order across the country. This may be why there has been a sudden “rush” by the West to move assets into the region, the impetus driving the United States to place special forces into Syrian territory itself (http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/31/us-invasion-of-syria-begins/), and for Turkey’s ambush of a Russian Su-24 (http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/24/russian-warplane-down-natos-act-of-war/) near the Syrian-Turkish border.What all of this adds up to is a clear illustration of precisely why the Syrian conflict was never truly a “civil war.” The summation of support for militants fighting against the Syrian government and people, has come from beyond Syria’s borders. With that support being cut off and the prospect of these militants being eradicated, the true sponsors behind this conflict are moving more directly and overtly to salvage their failed conspiracy against the Syrian state.What we see emerging is what was suspected and even obvious all along – a proxy war started by, and fought for Western hegemonic ambitions in the region, intentionally feeding the forces of extremism (http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/24/why-the-west-won-t-hit-isis-where-it-hurts/), not fighting them.Tony Cartalucci, Bangkok-based geopolitical researcher and writer, especially for the online magazine“ (http://journal-neo.org/)New Eastern Outlook” (http://journal-neo.org/).
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/29/natos-terror-convoys-halted-at-syrian-border/

[mick silver]

The Madness of King Erdogan America and Israel Column: Politics (http://journal-neo.org/category/columns/politics/)
Region: Middle East (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/)
Country: Turkey (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/turtsiya/)


http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/5-mitos-armas-nucleares-eeuu-300x172.jpg (http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/5-mitos-armas-nucleares-eeuu.jpg)America and Israel, in playing up to Erdogan, perhaps even underestimating his grasp but more likely overlooking his long history of mental instability, have turned Turkey into a de facto nuclear power.
For those who aren’t afraid, its time it sunk in. The US cut a deal with Turkey long ago, they are a nuclear power. As a Cold War trade off with Turkey, America was allowed to place nuclear missiles in Turkey and station nuclear bombers there as well.Primitive Jupiter nuclear missiles in Turkey were what really led to the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, what pushed Russia to positioning nuclear weapons in Cuba.Well, the problem is back again, back in spades. Not only are there American nuclear weapons in Turkey, with up to fifty B61 nuclear bombs in Erdogan’s hands with limited oversight, Turkey is that other nuclear power in the Middle East along with Israel, and the two of them have been working closely together since the 1940s.It gets worse, and we haven’t even scratched the surface. You see, these B61 bombs, dangerous as they are, have been slated for what the nuclear non-proliferation community has termed an illegal modification. From the Guardian:“… In non-proliferation terms however the only thing worse than a useless bomb is a ‘usable’ bomb. Apart from the stratospheric price, the most controversial element of the B61 upgrade is the replacement of the existing rigid tail with one that has moving fins that will make the bomb smarter and allow it to be guided more accurately to a target. Furthermore, the yield can be adjusted before launch, according to the target.“The modifications are at the centre of a row between anti-proliferation advocates and the government over whether the new improved B61-12 bomb is in fact a new weapon, and therefore a violation of President Obama’s undertaking not to make new nuclear weapons. His administration’s 2010 Nuclear Posture Review said life extension upgrades to the US arsenal would ‘not support new military missions or provide for new military capabilities.’“The issue has a particular significance for Europe where a stockpile of 180 B61s is held in six bases in five countries. If there is no change in that deployment by the time the upgraded B61-12s enter the stockpile in 2024, many of them will be flown out to the bases in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Turkey.“But there is more to this story, much more. There is a reason these bombs are being modified, made more accurate, more dangerous. You see, they are carried on the F16, an aging but still lethal fighter bomber.In early 2015, Turkey had 117 of its F 16 aircraft modified. These upgrades included avionics, electronic warfare and targeting, but also included upgrades for some of their aircraft to nuclear capability.The United States keeps its nuclear inventory in Turkey at Incirlik Air Force Base, where specially modified NATO F16s are intended to carry these weapons against Russian cities. However, by agreement, none of America’s specially modified planes are actually stationed in Turkey.The “work around” that Erdogan and select NATO commanders found was a simple one. As Turkish and Israeli pilots had always trained together against the “common enemy,” that being Iran, Israel could train Turkish crews to deliver the newly modified and much more lethal B61 guided warhead, and Israel could complete the modification on some of the upgraded Turkish planes, believed to be 20, to full nuclear capability.These aircraft with targeting intelligence stolen from the US by Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, are ready to hit Russia at any time or, as part of a “yet to be determined” cabal of other “unannounced nuclear states,” such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel or even Germany, could prove a “first strike” capability in a scenario right out of Dr. Strangelove.A second “work around” involves Israel marketing nuclear weapons to Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Germany and others, with an IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) investigation halted in 1998, headed at that time by IAEA investigator Jeff Smith and CIA agent Roland Carnaby. Smith is now an editor at Veterans Today. Carnaby was murdered by an Israeli agent in Houston, Texas, in April 2008. The IAEA offices in Houston for this project were also the offices of former President George Herbert Walker Bush, who worked directly with Smith and Carnaby on this project, which involved the theft of 350 nuclear weapons “pits.”Along with the “pits,” the core of every nuclear weapon, the investigation also covered the theft of intelligence required to “match” the pits for re-machining and refurbishment, an investigation that led to Washington’s highest levels.There was a time when the public believed that leaders such as Netanyahu, Merkel or Erdogan were incapable of such folly. That time is long gone.With Barak Obama as president of the United States, such a scenario is unlikely, but Obama will be leaving office soon. Taking his place will either be Hillary Clinton or one of a bevy of Republican candidates, such as Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, each as mad as Erdogan or even Netanyahu — individuals who have long demonstrated personality disorders of the highest magnitude, malignant narcissism, paranoid delusions and utter grandiosity.Were the scenarios presented above to pass the hypothesis “sniff test,” there would have to be evidence of planned escalation of tensions, of collusion between the “partners” and control of the political processes in the US and Turkey.

Thus far we have seen a “snap election” in Turkey, which has been coordinated with a press crackdown.
Turkey has shot down a Russian plane and has done so not only from within Syrian airspace, but while signatory to a Memorandum of Understanding with both the US and Russia that would have prevented even arming their planes with air to air missiles.
With a Turkish intelligence officer named as murderer of the Russian pilot, we have evidence of pre-planning of this destabilizing event as well.

There are other less publicly known issues that support our hypothesis as well, less well known but far more threatening:

The close working relationship between Ukraine, Turkey and the ISIS and al Nusra terror groups will now focus the real and covert investigation into the downing of the other Russian aircraft, the Airbus 321 with 224 passengers and crew on Turkey and Ukraine and not Israel and Saudi Arabia, as so many Western intelligence agencies had carefully leaked.
The recent Russian carpet bombing of a region of Northern Syria near the Turkish border is not only a response to the killing of their pilot, but to evidence of bases run by not only Saudi, Turkish and Qatari security services, working with US-backed “moderate rebels,” but to the presence of CIA death squads.
These CIA teams, made up of US Navy SEALS, are said to have been brought into Turkey to “hunt down Iranian officers” and to “capture or kill Russian advisors or pilots”.

The report on the CIA, in concert with Turkey and others seeking to capture or kill Russian pilots, was received a week before what is now clearly a staged event to “capture or kill Russian pilots.”The Russian response had been to bolster security on the ground, never imagining that Turkey would face Russia’s wrath by openly downing one of their planes.Thus, when we speak of the madness of Erdogan, we feel we have a strong confirmation.Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War that has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades and consulted with governments challenged by security issues. He’s a senior editor and chairman of the board of Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com/), especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook (http://journal-neo.org/)”.
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/02/the-madness-of-king-erdogan/

[mick silver]

US Involvement in Turkey’s Shoot Down of the Russian Jet Column: Politics (http://journal-neo.org/category/columns/politics/)
Region: Middle East (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/)
Country: Syria (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/siriya/)


http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/abd-f15-savas-ucaklari-incirlik-ussune-geldi-31038-300x161.jpg (http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/abd-f15-savas-ucaklari-incirlik-ussune-geldi-31038.jpg)In the wake of Turkey’s shoot down of the Russian Su-24, the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called the attack a planned provocation (http://tass.ru/en/world/839355). He went further on to suggest the US had given Turkey permission to shoot down the Jet. He explained that countries using US manufactured weapons must ask the US for permission before using them in operations. The aircraft used to shoot down the Su-24 was a US-made F-16. Indeed, there is evidence to suggest that not only did the US give Turkey permission, but that it was moving the strings behind the entire operation.Two Russian aircrafts were attacked that day, but the second was a far less publicised incident. A Russian helicopter (https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/) was destroyed by the CIA backed FSA using US provided Anti-Tank TOW missiles. The helicopter was on a rescue mission to find the missing Su-24 pilots and the attack resulted in the death of a Russian Marine. Since the US backs the FSA and provided the TOW missiles which were used in the attack, they are at least indirectly responsible, if not outrightly complicit in it. But instead of apologizing to Russia, US state department spokesman Mark Toner defended (https://t.co/IAfA1bId3H) the actions of the FSA. He also defended the actions of the Turkmen insurgents who shot at the parachuting Russian pilots, a war crime under the first geneva convention. Such an antagonistic position reveals that the US was not displeased by the attacks on Russia.In the months leading up to the attack, there were several indicators the US knew it would take place. On September 3rd (http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/09/03/turkey-evacuation/71646512/), the families of US staff members were urged to evacuated out of Incirlik air base in Turkey and were given until October 1st to do so. (http://sputniknews.com/military/20151104/1029604273/us-syria-air-force-fighter-jet-isil.html)On November 3rd, the US deployed F-15 fighter Jets to Turkey (http://sputniknews.com/military/20151104/1029604273/us-syria-air-force-fighter-jet-isil.html) which are specifically designed for air-to-air combat. Since ISIS has no planes, the target could only have been Russian aircrafts. Most significantly, on October 21st (http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1870233/us-and-russia-sign-deconfliction-memorandum-avoid-clashes-syrias-skies), the US and Russia signed a deconfliction protocol, in order to ‘avoid clashes in Syria’s skies’. This entailed giving the US information about where and when Russia will conduct sorties. Russian president Putin suggested (https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/669969091629850625) this information was passed on to Turkey by the US and used to shoot down the Sukhoi-24.During the months leading up to the attack, US War hawks were increasingly calling for a direct confrontation with Russia, an act that could lead to a third world War. Several US Presidential candidates, including Hillary Clinton, were effectively calling (http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/these-us-presidential-hopefuls-want-shoot-down-russian-and-french-planes-syria/ri11403?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) for a shoot down of a Russian Jet. Some of the more direct comments included,Chris Christie: “My first phone call would be to Vladimir, and I’d say to him, listen, we’re enforcing this no-fly zone,” adding that he would shoot down Russian warplanes that violate the no-fly zone.Jeb Bush: “We need to have no fly zones. The argument is, well we’ll get into the conflict with Russia, maybe Russia shouldn’t want to be in conflict with us. I mean, this is a place where American leadership is desperately needed.”The spokesman for the Zionist Israeli lobbying group AIPAC, Senator John Mccain, suggested (http://personalliberty.com/insane-mccain-wants-a-war-with-russia/) arming Al Qaeda Linked Rebels with Anti-Aircraft weapons to shoot down a Russian Jet. An idea which he himself admits (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2015/october/01/john-mccain-wants-to-shoot-down-russian-planes/) was “what we did in Afghanistan many years ago”. The policy which resulted in the birth of Al Qaeda and the rise of the Taliban. Indeed Qatar had been making an effort towards this end. Documents leaked by Russian hackers ‘Cyber Berkut”, revealed (http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-cyberberkut-hackers-link-isis-ukrainian-weapons-negotiations-qatar-russian-2195165) that Qatar was negotiating with Ukraine to purchase Anti-Air weapons to help ISIS shoot down a Russian Jet over Syria. It is likely Ukraine refused to sell these weapons, since arming assets which are difficult control could backfire. After all, US Jets are also using those skies. Flooding the region with hand held Anti-Air weapons could pose a threat them in future. Turkey is a far more reliable and controllable proxy which is capable of shooting down Russian Jets.Perhaps one of the most significant War hawk statements comes from the Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. In an Op-ed for the Financial times (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c1ec2488-6aa8-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#ixzz3niOkuTIK) Brzezinski suggested that Obama should retaliate if Russia continues to attack U.S. assets in Syria, i.e the Al Qaeda linked (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html) rebels. Brzezinski, has experience using Al Qaeda as an asset, having been one of the masterminds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone) behind its creation in Afghanistan. He maintains a great deal of influence and respect in US politics.It is likely Brzezinski’s dangerous advice to attack Russia was taken on board by US decision makers. But instead of risking a direct conflict with two nuclear powers, Turkey was used as a proxy. Turkey has its own agenda in attacking Russian jets outside of the US’s interests. Turkish president Erdogan has already committed himself to an anti-Assad position far beyond the point of no return. This was over a gas pipeline deal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/competing-gas-pipelines-are-fueling-syrian-war-migrant-crisis) with Qatar that is now looking more like a pipe dream. Russia has been actively fighting not only ISIS, but Al Qaeda and its affiliates who are crucial for Turkey’s plans to overthrow the Syrian government. The Su-24 was bombing the Al Qaeda-linked Turkmen insurgents, before it was shot down.On October 8 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/08/nato-ready-to-deploy-forces-to-defend-turkey-against-any-threats), NATO made a statement that it would defend Turkey against Russia, after a Russian jet briefly passed through turkish airspace on its way to bomb targets in Syria. Such statements may have encouraged Erdogan to take the exceptional risk (http://sputniknews.com/military/20151104/1029604273/us-syria-air-force-fighter-jet-isil.html)of shooting down a Russian Jet under the assumption that Turkey would be protected by NATO. On November 12th (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6162_en.htm), EU countries committed to pay Turkey 3 billion dollars. Interestingly this is the same amount (http://sputniknews.com/business/20151129/1030944819/turkey-losses-russian-sanctions.html) Turkey is estimated to lose, as a result of Russian sanctions put in place in the wake of the attack. This could have been Part of NATO’s assurance to Erdogan that he would lose nothing by going ahead with the attack.Erdogan has become increasingly frustrated, even after four years of war, the Syrian state shows no sign of collapse. It might not have been too difficult for the US to convince the desperate Turkish leader that attacking a super power was in his best interest.Maram Susli also known as “Syrian Girl (http://www.youtube.com/user/SyrianGirlpartisan),” is an activist-journalist and social commentator covering Syria and the wider topic of geopolitics. especially for the online magazine“ (http://journal-neo.org/)New Eastern Outlook
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/01/us-involvement-in-turkey-s-shoot-down-of-the-russian-jet/

[mick silver]

Bombshell: Obama rejects intel on known Islamic terrorists
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/bombshell-obama-rejects-intel-on-known-islamic-terrorists/#v8mW2OkHj07BPt3Y.99

[monty]

The Madness of King Erdogan America and Israel

Column: Politics (http://journal-neo.org/category/columns/politics/)
Region: Middle East (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/)
Country: Turkey (http://journal-neo.org/category/locations/middle-east/turtsiya/)


http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/5-mitos-armas-nucleares-eeuu-300x172.jpg (http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/5-mitos-armas-nucleares-eeuu.jpg)

America and Israel, in playing up to Erdogan, perhaps even underestimating his grasp but more likely overlooking his long history of mental instability, have turned Turkey into a de facto nuclear power.

For those who aren’t afraid, its time it sunk in. The US cut a deal with Turkey long ago, they are a nuclear power. As a Cold War trade off with Turkey, America was allowed to place nuclear missiles in Turkey and station nuclear bombers there as well.

Primitive Jupiter nuclear missiles in Turkey were what really led to the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, what pushed Russia to positioning nuclear weapons in Cuba.

Well, the problem is back again, back in spades. Not only are there American nuclear weapons in Turkey, with up to fifty B61 nuclear bombs in Erdogan’s hands with limited oversight, Turkey is that other nuclear power in the Middle East along with Israel, and the two of them have been working closely together since the 1940s.

It gets worse, and we haven’t even scratched the surface. You see, these B61 bombs, dangerous as they are, have been slated for what the nuclear non-proliferation community has termed an illegal modification. From the Guardian:“… In non-proliferation terms however the only thing worse than a useless bomb is a ‘usable’ bomb. Apart from the stratospheric price, the most controversial element of the B61 upgrade is the replacement of the existing rigid tail with one that has moving fins that will make the bomb smarter and allow it to be guided more accurately to a target.

Furthermore, the yield can be adjusted before launch, according to the target.“The modifications are at the centre of a row between anti-proliferation advocates and the government over whether the new improved B61-12 bomb is in fact a new weapon, and therefore a violation of President Obama’s undertaking not to make new nuclear weapons. His administration’s 2010 Nuclear Posture Review said life extension upgrades to the US arsenal would ‘not support new military missions or provide for new military capabilities.’“The issue has a particular significance for Europe where a stockpile of 180 B61s is held in six bases in five countries. If there is no change in that deployment by the time the upgraded B61-12s enter the stockpile in 2024, many of them will be flown out to the bases in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Turkey.

“But there is more to this story, much more. There is a reason these bombs are being modified, made more accurate, more dangerous. You see, they are carried on the F16, an aging but still lethal fighter bomber.

In early 2015, Turkey had 117 of its F 16 aircraft modified. These upgrades included avionics, electronic warfare and targeting, but also included upgrades for some of their aircraft to nuclear capability.

The United States keeps its nuclear inventory in Turkey at Incirlik Air Force Base, where specially modified NATO F16s are intended to carry these weapons against Russian cities. However, by agreement, none of America’s specially modified planes are actually stationed in Turkey.

The “work around” that Erdogan and select NATO commanders found was a simple one. As Turkish and Israeli pilots had always trained together against the “common enemy,” that being Iran, Israel could train Turkish crews to deliver the newly modified and much more lethal B61 guided warhead, and Israel could complete the modification on some of the upgraded Turkish planes, believed to be 20, to full nuclear capability.

These aircraft with targeting intelligence stolen from the US by Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, are ready to hit Russia at any time or, as part of a “yet to be determined” cabal of other “unannounced nuclear states,” such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel or even Germany, could prove a “first strike” capability in a scenario right out of Dr. Strangelove.

A second “work around” involves Israel marketing nuclear weapons to Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Germany and others, with an IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) investigation halted in 1998, headed at that time by IAEA investigator Jeff Smith and CIA agent Roland Carnaby. Smith is now an editor at Veterans Today. Carnaby was murdered by an Israeli agent in Houston, Texas, in April 2008. The IAEA offices in Houston for this project were also the offices of former President George Herbert Walker Bush, who worked directly with Smith and Carnaby on this project, which involved the theft of 350 nuclear weapons “pits.”

Along with the “pits,” the core of every nuclear weapon, the investigation also covered the theft of intelligence required to “match” the pits for re-machining and refurbishment, an investigation that led to Washington’s highest levels.

There was a time when the public believed that leaders such as Netanyahu, Merkel or Erdogan were incapable of such folly. That time is long gone.

With Barak Obama as president of the United States, such a scenario is unlikely, but Obama will be leaving office soon. Taking his place will either be Hillary Clinton or one of a bevy of Republican candidates, such as Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, each as mad as Erdogan or even Netanyahu — individuals who have long demonstrated personality disorders of the highest magnitude, malignant narcissism, paranoid delusions and utter grandiosity.Were the scenarios presented above to pass the hypothesis “sniff test,” there would have to be evidence of planned escalation of tensions, of collusion between the “partners” and control of the political processes in the US and Turkey.


Thus far we have seen a “snap election” in Turkey, which has been coordinated with a press crackdown.
Turkey has shot down a Russian plane and has done so not only from within Syrian airspace, but while signatory to a Memorandum of Understanding with both the US and Russia that would have prevented even arming their planes with air to air missiles.
With a Turkish intelligence officer named as murderer of the Russian pilot, we have evidence of pre-planning of this destabilizing event as well.

There are other less publicly known issues that support our hypothesis as well, less well known but far more threatening:

The close working relationship between Ukraine, Turkey and the ISIS and al Nusra terror groups will now focus the real and covert investigation into the downing of the other Russian aircraft, the Airbus 321 with 224 passengers and crew on Turkey and Ukraine and not Israel and Saudi Arabia, as so many Western intelligence agencies had carefully leaked.
The recent Russian carpet bombing of a region of Northern Syria near the Turkish border is not only a response to the killing of their pilot, but to evidence of bases run by not only Saudi, Turkish and Qatari security services, working with US-backed “moderate rebels,” but to the presence of CIA death squads.
These CIA teams, made up of US Navy SEALS, are said to have been brought into Turkey to “hunt down Iranian officers” and to “capture or kill Russian advisors or pilots”.


The report on the CIA, in concert with Turkey and others seeking to capture or kill Russian pilots, was received a week before what is now clearly a staged event to “capture or kill Russian pilots.”

The Russian response had been to bolster security on the ground, never imagining that Turkey would face Russia’s wrath by openly downing one of their planes.

Thus, when we speak of the madness of Erdogan, we feel we have a strong confirmation.

Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War that has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades and consulted with governments challenged by security issues. He’s a senior editor and chairman of the board of Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com/), especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook (http://journal-neo.org/)”.
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US Involvement in Turkey’s Shoot Down of the Russian Jet

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In the wake of Turkey’s shoot down of the Russian Su-24, the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called the attack a planned provocation (http://tass.ru/en/world/839355). He went further on to suggest the US had given Turkey permission to shoot down the Jet. He explained that countries using US manufactured weapons must ask the US for permission before using them in operations. The aircraft used to shoot down the Su-24 was a US-made F-16. Indeed, there is evidence to suggest that not only did the US give Turkey permission, but that it was moving the strings behind the entire operation.

Two Russian aircrafts were attacked that day, but the second was a far less publicised incident. A Russian helicopter (https://www.rt.com/news/323306-video-russia-helicopter-syria/) was destroyed by the CIA backed FSA using US provided Anti-Tank TOW missiles. The helicopter was on a rescue mission to find the missing Su-24 pilots and the attack resulted in the death of a Russian Marine. Since the US backs the FSA and provided the TOW missiles which were used in the attack, they are at least indirectly responsible, if not outrightly complicit in it. But instead of apologizing to Russia, US state department spokesman Mark Toner defended (https://t.co/IAfA1bId3H) the actions of the FSA. He also defended the actions of the Turkmen insurgents who shot at the parachuting Russian pilots, a war crime under the first geneva convention. Such an antagonistic position reveals that the US was not displeased by the attacks on Russia.

In the months leading up to the attack, there were several indicators the US knew it would take place. On September 3rd (http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/09/03/turkey-evacuation/71646512/), the families of US staff members were urged to evacuated out of Incirlik air base in Turkey and were given until October 1st to do so. On November 3rd, the US deployed F-15 fighter Jets to Turkey (http://sputniknews.com/military/20151104/1029604273/us-syria-air-force-fighter-jet-isil.html) which are specifically designed for air-to-air combat. Since ISIS has no planes, the target could only have been Russian aircrafts. Most significantly, on October 21st (http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1870233/us-and-russia-sign-deconfliction-memorandum-avoid-clashes-syrias-skies), the US and Russia signed a deconfliction protocol, in order to ‘avoid clashes in Syria’s skies’. This entailed giving the US information about where and when Russia will conduct sorties. Russian president Putin suggested (https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/669969091629850625) this information was passed on to Turkey by the US and used to shoot down the Sukhoi-24.

During the months leading up to the attack, US War hawks were increasingly calling for a direct confrontation with Russia, an act that could lead to a third world War. Several US Presidential candidates, including Hillary Clinton, were effectively calling (http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/these-us-presidential-hopefuls-want-shoot-down-russian-and-french-planes-syria/ri11403?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) for a shoot down of a Russian Jet. Some of the more direct comments included,Chris Christie: “My first phone call would be to Vladimir, and I’d say to him, listen, we’re enforcing this no-fly zone,” adding that he would shoot down Russian warplanes that violate the no-fly zone.

Jeb Bush: “We need to have no fly zones. The argument is, well we’ll get into the conflict with Russia, maybe Russia shouldn’t want to be in conflict with us. I mean, this is a place where American leadership is desperately needed.

”The spokesman for the Zionist Israeli lobbying group AIPAC, Senator John Mccain, suggested (http://personalliberty.com/insane-mccain-wants-a-war-with-russia/) arming Al Qaeda Linked Rebels with Anti-Aircraft weapons to shoot down a Russian Jet. An idea which he himself admits (http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2015/october/01/john-mccain-wants-to-shoot-down-russian-planes/) was “what we did in Afghanistan many years ago”. The policy which resulted in the birth of Al Qaeda and the rise of the Taliban. Indeed Qatar had been making an effort towards this end. Documents leaked by Russian hackers ‘Cyber Berkut”, revealed (http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-cyberberkut-hackers-link-isis-ukrainian-weapons-negotiations-qatar-russian-2195165) that Qatar was negotiating with Ukraine to purchase Anti-Air weapons to help ISIS shoot down a Russian Jet over Syria. It is likely Ukraine refused to sell these weapons, since arming assets which are difficult control could backfire. After all, US Jets are also using those skies. Flooding the region with hand held Anti-Air weapons could pose a threat them in future. Turkey is a far more reliable and controllable proxy which is capable of shooting down Russian Jets.

Perhaps one of the most significant War hawk statements comes from the Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. In an Op-ed for the Financial times (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c1ec2488-6aa8-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#ixzz3niOkuTIK) Brzezinski suggested that Obama should retaliate if Russia continues to attack U.S. assets in Syria, i.e the Al Qaeda linked (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html) rebels. Brzezinski, has experience using Al Qaeda as an asset, having been one of the masterminds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone) behind its creation in Afghanistan. He maintains a great deal of influence and respect in US politics.

It is likely Brzezinski’s dangerous advice to attack Russia was taken on board by US decision makers. But instead of risking a direct conflict with two nuclear powers, Turkey was used as a proxy. Turkey has its own agenda in attacking Russian jets outside of the US’s interests. Turkish president Erdogan has already committed himself to an anti-Assad position far beyond the point of no return. This was over a gas pipeline deal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/competing-gas-pipelines-are-fueling-syrian-war-migrant-crisis) with Qatar that is now looking more like a pipe dream. Russia has been actively fighting not only ISIS, but Al Qaeda and its affiliates who are crucial for Turkey’s plans to overthrow the Syrian government. The Su-24 was bombing the Al Qaeda-linked Turkmen insurgents, before it was shot down.

On October 8 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/08/nato-ready-to-deploy-forces-to-defend-turkey-against-any-threats), NATO made a statement that it would defend Turkey against Russia, after a Russian jet briefly passed through turkish airspace on its way to bomb targets in Syria. Such statements may have encouraged Erdogan to take the exceptional risk (http://sputniknews.com/military/20151104/1029604273/us-syria-air-force-fighter-jet-isil.html)of shooting down a Russian Jet under the assumption that Turkey would be protected by NATO. On November 12th (http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6162_en.htm), EU countries committed to pay Turkey 3 billion dollars. Interestingly this is the same amount (http://sputniknews.com/business/20151129/1030944819/turkey-losses-russian-sanctions.html) Turkey is estimated to lose, as a result of Russian sanctions put in place in the wake of the attack. This could have been Part of NATO’s assurance to Erdogan that he would lose nothing by going ahead with the attack.Erdogan has become increasingly frustrated, even after four years of war, the Syrian state shows no sign of collapse. It might not have been too difficult for the US to convince the desperate Turkish leader that attacking a super power was in his best interest.

Maram Susli also known as “Syrian Girl (http://www.youtube.com/user/SyrianGirlpartisan),” is an activist-journalist and social commentator covering Syria and the wider topic of geopolitics. especially for the online magazine“ (http://journal-neo.org/)New Eastern Outlook

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Despite mounting evidence of ISIS oil smuggling, the US-led coalition in Syria and Iraq is not striking convoys of oil trucks heading to Turkey, Russia’s General Staff has said.
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“It’s hard not to notice” the thousands of trucks used by terrorists for oil smuggling, Lieutenant General Sergey Rudskoy, deputy commander of the General Staff, said at a briefing in Moscow on Wednesday.
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“However, we see no strikes on those convoys by the coalition - only a tripling in the number of strategic UAVs has been observed,” he said.
With the US and its allies unwilling to act, the Russian Defense Ministry has reported the locations where Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) oil tankers are concentrated, Rudskoy said.
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The deputy commander stressed that defeating IS would be impossible without curbing its main source of income - the illegal oil trade - and urged the coalition to strike IS oil infrastructure.

Since September 30, when its airstrikes in Syria began, Russia has eliminated 32 Islamic State oil complexes, 11 refineries and 23 oil pump stations, Rudskoy said, adding that the Russian military had also destroyed 1,080 trucks carrying oil products.

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“The income of this terrorist organization was about US$3 million per day. After two months of Russian airstrikes their income was about $1.5 million a day,” he said.

Also on Wednesday, a prominent Iraqi politician said he had addressed the US military on the issue of stopping the illegal IS oil trade, but had received a negative reply.
“I have personally contacted US representatives asking them to target IS trucks transporting Iraqi and Syrian oil to Turkey, only to be told that they were civilian targets so they [the US] could not attack them,” Mowaffak al-Rubaie, leader of the State of Law Coalition party in the Iraqi parliament, told Sputnik.
Speaking at Wednesday’s briefing, Russia’s deputy defense minister, Anatoly Antonov, said that Russia is aware of three main smuggling routes used by IS to deliver oil to its final destinations in Turkey.
Antonov stressed that Turkey’s leadership, including President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his family, is involved in illegal oil trade with the jihadists.
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"The preparation phase for the Shaayrat base is nearing its end. It is being prepared to become a Russian military base," the military source told AFP, declining to be named.
"A number of Russian advisors arrived in Shaayrat weeks ago," the source said. The base "will begin being used by Russian forces before the end of this month".
Since Moscow began air strikes in Syria on September 30, its Su-34, Su-24, Su-30 and Su-25 planes have operated out of Hmeimim base in the coastal province of Latakia.
Shaayrat lies in Syria's central Homs province, north of several towns where government forces and allied militia backed by Russian air strikes have been fighting the Islamic State jihadist group.
Late last month, regime forces recaptured the town of Maheen after IS had overrun it on November 1.
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Government troops have fought to edge closer to the historic town of Palmyra, about 130 km (80 miles) east of Shaayrat and held by IS since May.
Rami Abdel Rahman, head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said Russia was "building new runways at the Shaayrat airport and reinforcing its surroundings in order to use it soon for operations" in Homs province.
Abdel Rahman said Russian helicopters were already using the nearby T-4 military airport to strike IS targets in Palmyra.
"Syrian regime forces are about three kilometres (less than two miles) from Palmyra and are advancing from the south and west with air cover by Russian helicopters," he said.
The troops have also reached the edges of Al-Qaryatain, a mixed Christian-Muslim village in Homs province that IS seized in August.
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The military source said Russian and Syrian aircraft had conducted at least 40 strikes in and around Al-Qaryatain in the past 24 hours.
He said there would be "an important advance" within 72 hours.
Russian President Vladimir Putin pledged to intensify his country's fight against IS after the organisation's Egypt affiliate claimed to have shot down a Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers.
Starting on October 7, Syria's army launched ground attacks with Russian air support in at least four provinces across the country.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin lashed out at “part of the leadership in Turkey" during his annual address to the parliament, accusing Ankara of having trade ties with terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq. He also promised more sanctions for Turkey over downing of the Russian jet.
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Putin said Russia still cannot comprehend why the downing of the plane happened.
“We were prepared to cooperate with Turkey on most sensitive issues and go further than their allies. Allah knows why they did it. Apparently Allah decided to punish the ruling clique in Turkey by taking their sanity,” Putin said.







Putin stressed that Moscow’s anger over the incident is directed at particular individuals and not at the Turkish people.
“We have many friends in Turkey,” he said. “They should know that we do not equate them and part of the current Turkish leadership, which holds a direct responsibility for the deaths of our troops in Syria,” he said.
He added that the killing of Russian officers would have long-term consequences for those responsible.
“We will not forget this aid to terrorists. We have always considered betrayal the worst and most shameful act. Let those in Turkey know it who shot our pilots in the back, who hypocritically tries to justify themselves and their actions and cover up the crimes of terrorists,” he said.
Putin said Russia would not resort to saber-rattling to respond to the Turkish actions, but neither would it limit itself to the economic sanctions it imposed since the incident.
The incident with the Russian Su-24 bomber shot down by Turkish warplanes near the Turkish-Syrian border has greatly deteriorated relations between the two countries. Turkey insists it acted in response to a brief violation of its airspace and was justified in using lethal force. Russia insists no violation took place and has accused Turkey of supporting terrorists in Syria.
The downing of the bomber resulted in the deaths of two Russian troops, who were the first combat losses during the two month-long Syrian campaign. The pilot of the downed plane was killed by a pro-Turkish militant group as he was parachuting to the ground. A marine was killed by militants when a helicopter dispatched to rescue the bomber crew came under fire from the ground.
Putin’s address started with a minute’s silence to commemorate the two troops. The widows of the dead Russians were present at the event.
Putin stressed that the Russian operation in Syria is aimed first and foremost at preventing fighters who went to the Middle East from Russia and its neighboring countries from returning home and bringing the threat of terrorist attacks to Russian soil.

"They are getting money, weapons, gathering strength. If they get stronger, winning there, they will inevitably come here to sow fear and hatred, blast, kill and torture people," Putin said.
Putin called on all nations that have pledged to fight terrorism to join forces and abandon the notion that terrorist groups can be used for country’s own goals. He stressed that the rise of terrorism in the Middle East over the last few years was caused to a large degree by foreign meddling.
“Some countries in the Middle East and North Africa, which used to be stable and relatively prosperous – Iraq, Libya, Syria – have turned into zones of chaos and anarchy that pose a threat to entire world,” Putin said.
“We know why it happened. We know who wanted to oust unwanted regimes, and rudely impose their own rules. They triggered hostilities, destroyed statehoods, set people against each other and simply washed their hands [of the situation] – giving way to radicals, extremists and terrorists.”
Russia’s lost thousands of lives over two decades of terrorist attacks and is still not safe from terrorist attacks, as evidenced by the bombings in Volgograd in 2014 and the bombing of a Russian passenger plane in Egypt in October, Putin reminded.
“Breaking the bandits’ back took us almost 10 years,”he said. “We practically pushed the terrorists out of Russia, but we are still engaged in a fierce fight against the remainder of the gangs. This evil still comes back occasionally.”
Putin said the rise of jihadists in the Middle East in our time is not unlike the rise of Nazism in the mid-20th century, and that the world should learn from the mistakes of the past, when a failure to act in time resulted in the loss of millions of lives.
“We are facing a destructive barbaric ideology again and we have no right to allow those new obscurants to achieve their goals. We have to abandon all differences, create a single fist, a single anti-terrorist front, which would act in accordance with the international law and under the aegis of the United Nations,” he said.
Putin was speaking on Thursday before the Federal Assembly, a joint session of the two chambers of the Russian parliament, plus regional governors and the cabinet. The annual address is a traditional key policy report of the executive, which focuses on domestic politics rather than international relations.
‘Business as usual’ with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is now over, Sergey Ivanov, the head of Putin’s office, confirmed to RT after the Russian president’s address:
“Yes, it is definitely over. But fighting terrorism is ‘business as usual’, as the Russian president said,” Ivanov said.
The Turkish leadership “must acknowledge that a tragic mistake was committed and to beg for [forgiveness], or this leadership will not play any significant role in bilateral relations between Russia and Turkey. We will not be able to have any ties with Turkey under this leadership if it doesn’t change its attitude,”Konstantin Kosachev, the chair of the State Duma Committee for Foreign Relations, told RT.

[mick silver]

America on “Hot War Footing” as House Paves Way for War with Russia
Mainstream Media Blacks Out as U.S. House of Representatives Passes Dark War on Russia Resolution 758
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/russia-war2.jpgHouses Passes Resolution 758

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky (http://www.globalresearch.ca/author/michel-chossudovsky)Global Research, December 05, 2014
America is on a war footing. While, a World War Three Scenario has been on the drawing board of the Pentagon for more than ten years, military action against Russia is now contemplated at an “operational level”. Similarly, both the Senate and the House have introduced enabling legislation which provides legitimacy to conduct a war against Russia.
We are not dealing with a “Cold War”. None of the safeguards of the Cold War era prevail. http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/12/06/512430-america-is-on-a-hot-war-footing-house-legislation-paves-the-way-for-war-with-russia/

[Horn]

America and Israel
just gave isis this ship . you see above so they can keep there oil trucks safe from Russia

And France too! ISIS ghost funding will continue until it can join more nations against the war on terror.


UK jets target ISIS oilfield -- and group's income, defense ministry says

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Vid at link

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/03/europe/uk-isis-airstrikes-syria/index.html

i can only imagine that Iran and China will float Syria and Iraq a huge loan to rebuild when its said and done.

Maybe Turkey too!

[singular_me]

dont think we'll hear about this russian update any time soon on CNN and co

only listened 10mins since I have been following the headlines, but sounds like a full confirmation
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[Glass]

yes, strangely while the Russians were publishing their evidence of the crimes comitted by the US/UK/IS/TU via ISIS, the US media was covering a Active Shooter Drill. Who would have thunk it.

Nice little well timed distraction.

[monty]

Sure, kill two birds with one stone, get your guns and divert attention from themselves.

[mick silver]

Poking the Russian Bear - How terror collaborators are hiding behind media slander https://img.rt.com/files/2015.10/original/562ba193c46188124b8b458b.jpg (https://www.rt.com/op-edge/authors/catherine-shakdam/)
Catherine Shakdam is a political analyst, writer and commentator for the Middle East with a special focus on radical movements and Yemen. A regular pundit on RT and other networks her work has appeared in major publications: MintPress, the Foreign Policy Journal, Mehr News and many others.Director of Programs at the Shafaqna Institute for Middle Eastern Studies, Catherine is also the co-founder of Veritas Consulting. She is the author of Arabia’s Rising - Under The Banner Of The First Imam

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As President Recep Erdogan is looking for some political ground to land his feet on, media reports have spun some rather distasteful anti-Russian rhetoric, hoping to salvage Turkey’s political solvency by sullying Moscow’s efforts against terror.
We live in a time where deception and misinformation have become so widely institutionalized and standardized that the very concept of propaganda has been reduced down to a simple matter of optics - how issues and crises should be best presented, and facts manipulated for the powers that be to benefit.
For the longest of time truths have been sold as lies and realities have been bent to fit specific narratives, stripping away our ability to critically analyze those arguments politicians have thrown at us, as they rationalize and legitimize their policies.
And while it would be foolish to expect any less from politicians - manipulation remains indeed the name of the game, there will always be certain instances where facts are so clear cut and choices so profoundly simple that not even the most astute spin-doctor will be capable of conjuring a lie - not without running the risk of unraveling those very deceptions powers architected.
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https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.12/thumbnail/565da32bc361883a638b4579.jpg‘Turkey attempts to save face after downing Russian jet’ (https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324119-nato-turkey-su24-russia/)
Turkey’s downing of a Russian jet over Syria this November was one of those times.
When President Recep Erdogan willingly and meaningfully earmarked one of Russia’s jets for destruction - an act of war under international law - just so he could protect those interests he vested in ISIL terror network, those truths, those shadowy games certain powers have engaged in, were exposed right in the open.
As Russia watched its plane tumble to the ground, it is the world which awoke to the reality behind Turkey’s fallacious political stance against radicalism. There it was … Ankara’s real agenda, Erdogan’s dirty dealings with ISIL in the name of financial advancement.
In a report written for the New Eastern Outlook (http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/28/the-erdogan-era-is-all-but-over/), Petr Lvov, a PhD in political science stated that Erdogan close circles of relations generated a “staggering 5 billion dollars a year” from their dealings with ISIL black oil, of which “2 billion going back to ISIL command structures for them to pay “salaries” to militants and purchase arms.”
But Turkey’s crimes are not just Turkey’s crimes, not when Turkey stands a member of the NATO, the very military alliance which has proclaimed itself the ultimate terror crusader, the rising tide against the cancer of ISIL.
Whether or not Western powers condone President Erdogan’s crimes, whether or not Western powers knew of his criminal friendships are beside the point now - politically the NATO has been damaged, its name, its values, its reputation, its political currency are all but spent.
And so something had to be done - optics had to be handled, and a new narrative had to be built so that political face could be salvaged, and pretenses protected under a new layer of moral veneer. Only certain truths are too powerful to remain hidden, only this time the implications of those truths which were unveiled, might lead to more than just a clever game of public deception.
Erdogan today stands alone in the crisis he manufactured. For all his Western friendships, and all his geopolitical clout, the despot mastered but a few whispers of support from those he calls allies. Reneged on and abandoned Turkey has had to rely on other alliances and other tricks to doctor its political legitimacy back to life.
And so the wheels of propaganda were spun against the one party, which through this entire crisis has risen above the petty and the ugly, to carve a path where reason and accountability remain powerful political matrixes - Russia.
Russia, which remains the unwarranted victim of an attack against its military, and thus its sovereignty has been dragged in the mud by unscrupulous journalists - or I should say propagandists; so that the bully could claim hardship his own, and the victim, Russia, could be left to hang in a court of public opinion.
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https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.11/thumbnail/565c41a7c36188813f8b456a.jpgMainstream media on Syria/Turkey/Russia: Clueless congeries of cackling correspondents (https://www.rt.com/op-edge/323951-mainstream-media-syria-clueless/)
Right there in the lead stands the Middle East Monitor, a UK-based media organization which has made a career out of its criticism of Israel. If MEMO has indeed no qualms in calling out Israel on its war crimes and fascist tendencies vis-a-vis Palestinians, it remains oblivious to Turkey’s own, preferring instead to vilify Russia for daring allege that Turkey is indeed in league with ISIL radicals.
Imagine that! Well actually Russia’s claims are more than just allegations, they are factually correct. Unlike most, Russian officials don’t plant stories, they stick to documented facts.

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It has been argued that President Vladimir Putin risks igniting World War III for demanding that those powers in league with ISIL be held accountable … Again imagine THAT! What a horrible policy indeed to call on the world to stand united against such treacherous individuals.
Seriously now, what’s next? Are we going to demand that justice be upheld against even the rich and the powerful?
Jamal Khashogji (https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/22531-putins-threat-to-saudi-arabia), a Saudi writer whose article for Al Hayat was translated and published in MEMO reads: “The Russian jet incident may well be repeated. We are nearly in a state of war with the Russians despite all the visits, meetings and smiles. Sooner or later Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey will appear in Putin's eyes to overlap with the Syrian opposition. Once he fails to defeat this opposition he will start looking for someone to blame, and he will find no one but us.”
I find the “us” most interesting here. What is the “us” referring to? Us as in ISIL and Co … what does this “us” stand for really?
Also very telling are those powers Khashogkji mashed up into one alliance against Russia, when all Russia has ever done and ever demonstrated in the Middle East has been its desire to lay waste ISIL.
Or is that the problem? Is that really what the allusions to Russian war crimes and Russia’s alleged imperial folie des grandeurs are all about?
Let me tell you what I think.
I think Turkey and its allies, whoever they may be are desperately trying to shift the narrative by selling the public a repackaged Cold War rhetoric.
I think that Turkey is so very afraid of the storm it unleashed that it wants now to ignite old angers and old political fault lines to manipulate its way out of the fire pit.
But never mind what Turkey is trying to do - rather observe what it is that Russia has done and you might learn a lesson in political restraint.
Where most powers would have answered one fire with another: the United States did it, Israel did it, France did it … the list goes on; Russia answered the downing of its plane with political and economic sanctions.
Rather than seek cold hard revenge for the death of its pilot and risk throwing the entire region out of balance, President Putin choose legal channels to exact justice.
THIS is exactly how we will get ourselves out of the dangerous dynamics we find ourselves stuck in in the Middle East.
THIS is how responsible powers behave themselves - by abiding to the law.
Ankara I hope you’re taking notes.

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On Wednesday, the Russian Defense Ministry held a briefing detailing the Turkish government's involvement in the trade of Daesh (ISIL) oil. However, instead of starting their own investigations, many Western media outlets have instead attacked Russia for presenting the evidence, suggesting the revelations were 'hostile' and 'confrontational'.

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At Wednesday's Defense Ministry briefing in Moscow, Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov presented Russian intelligence materials, including photographs, satellite imagery, and detailed maps outlining exactly how "industrial quantities" of oil from Daesh-controlled territories in Syria and Iraq find their way into Turkey, and then on to third countries.Undoubtedly the most sensational moment in the briefing was Antonov's statement that Turkey's top political leadership, including President Erdogan and his family, are directly involved (http://sputniknews.com/military/20151202/1031113310/russia-defense-syria-daesh-turky.html) in the trade of dirty oil.
In the course of his briefing, the deputy defense minister preempted the skeptics by recommending that journalists use the Defense Ministry's findings to continue their own investigations into the shady affair, adding that Turkey should allow journalists "access to the places we showed journalists today."
Despite independent analysts saying that the briefing's disclosures were an "important first step," (http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151202/1031142712/turkey-nato-outpost.html) which will hopefully be followed up with the release of further evidence and an investigation by the UN Security Council, much of the Western media, unfortunately, seems to want to see the fruits of the Russian investigation die on the vine.
The reaction of The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/russias-top-diplomat-agrees-to-meet-with-turk-counterpart/2015/12/02/768bb094-98e8-11e5-aca6-1ae3be6f06d2_story.html) and The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/12/02/world/europe/ap-eu-russia-turkey.html?_r=0), amounting to a rehashing of an article by The Associated Press, blamed "Russia's top military brass" for "sharply raising the stakes in Moscow's spat with Ankara" through their "bluntly-worded accusations" against the Turkish president.
Deputy Defense Minister Antonov, AP continued, "didn't provide any specific evidence to back up the claims of personal involvement of Erdogan and his family in the oil trade with the IS." Moreover, the Turkish president, the article recalled, had already vowed to resign if Moscow's accusations were proven to be true.

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Holy Smokes! ISIL Oil Trail Leads to Turkey's Batman (http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151203/1031163796/turkey-erdogan-daesh-oil.html)

The AP piece cited a spokesman from the US State Department, who "categorically rejected Russia's allegations" (naturally, before really even having a chance to look at them). "We never said oil smuggling from ISIL is not a problem," the spokesman said, but "there is no Turkish government complicity in some operation to buy illegal oil from ISIL. We just don't believe that to be true in any way, shape or form."For its part, Bloomberg also quickly took to Erdogan's defense (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-02/turkey-s-erdogan-is-part-of-islamic-state-oil-trade-russia-says), suggesting that the investigation was a sign that Russia was "intensifying its attacks on Turkey," and citing the commentary of a Turkish defense attache who had attended the briefing, who said that "he had expected a military briefing, rather than 'political accusations'."
Foreign Policy went a step further (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/02/russia-pours-hot-oil-on-wounded-ties-with-turkey-isis-erdogan-putin/), trotting out a Harvard expert on Russian energy geopolitics who suggested that the allegations were really just a sign that "Putin's regime, [first] with Ukraine and now Syria, has greatly revamped Russian nationalism."
Other US outlets, including USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/02/russia-claims-turkeys-president-selling-oil-islamic-state/76654566/) and Voice of America (http://www.voanews.com/content/russia-claims-to-have-proof-turkey-involved-in-is-oil-trade/3084253.html), focused on Washington's response to the Russian briefing, citing the reactions of the White House, the State Department, and US military commanders, who rushed to defend their allies in Ankara. Col. Steve Warren, anti-ISIL coalition spokesman in Baghdad, emphasized that "the Turks" were actually "great partners" in fighting Daesh.

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Across the pond, in the UK, media reaction was generally more of the same. The Guardian headlined (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/russia-steps-up-hostility-against-turkey-with-war-room-briefing-in-kremlin) their article "Russia Steps Up Hostility Against Turkey With War Room Briefing," sarcastically suggesting that the briefing indicated that "Turkey may have replaced the US as Russia's rhetorical enemy No 1," again instead of focusing on the actual evidence. The BBC, for its part, also made clear to stick up for the UK's NATO allies, with their article on the briefing headlined (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34990548) "Turkey's Erdogan Says Russia IS Oil Trade Claims are 'Slander'."
The Financial Times again went a step further (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/404bbbb4-990b-11e5-9228-87e603d47bdc.html#axzz3tFNMS9og), suggesting that the revelations are really just another component of the anti-Turkish propaganda which has emerged in the Russian media following the downing of the Russian Su-24. The business newspaper cited the commentary of Ukrainian Interior Ministry advisor Anton Gerashchenko, who suggested that the Russian media's anti-Erdogan campaign was reminiscent of the anti-Kiev campaign it had carried out earlier.
Incidentally, the newspaper forgot to mention that Gerashchenko, a rather smarmy figure in his own right, had earlier called (http://sputniknews.com/world/20151007/1028142446/russia-ukraine-gerashchenko-isil.html) on Ukrainian social media users to publically disclose any information they had on the Russian pilots operating in Syria, in order that terrorists might locate the servicemen and their families and take revenge.
In an interesting contrast to their American and British colleagues, major French and German media outlets seemed less eager to line up behind their Turkish allies. France 24 (http://www.france24.com/en/20151202-russia-says-has-proof-turkey-erdogan-benefiting-islamic-state-group-oil) and Germany's Bild (http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/recep-tayyip-erdogan/erdogan-russland-erhoeht-druck-43636316.bild.html) reported on the Russian briefing skeptically, but fairly, saying more evidence was needed.
For its part, Deutsche Welle went so far (http://www.dw.com/de/der-is-die-t%C3%BCrkei-und-der-%C3%B6lschmuggel/a-18889708) as to suggest, in its German-language piece, that while additional evidence in Russia's accusation toward the Turkish president "is still pending, one thing is certain: ISIL oil is reaching Turkish territory."





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[Jewboo]

Putin is gonna carpet-bomb those Turkman in northern Syria back into the stone age and close the entire Turkey-Syria border.

[Horn]

Even stranger with all the bombing of "cheap blacklisted" crude sources going on,

the price per barrel has not flinched and only searches for new lows.

Maybe U.K.s Tornadoes will make the difference?

[Neuro]

Putin is gonna carpet-bomb those Turkman in northern Syria back into the stone age and close the entire Turkey-Syria border.
And he would be blamed for starting WWIII, by our objective Jewish owned media, while we are told he is the reincarnation of Hitler.

[mick silver]

Putin 'sending 150,000 soldiers to Syria to WIPE OUT evil Islamic State'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-jets-military (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609757/Putin-ISIS-Islamic-State-Syria-Raqqa-troops-soldiers-air-strike-jets-military)
http://www.americasfreedomfighters.c...wipe-out-isis/ (http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2015/11/22/urgent-look-who-just-sent-150000-troops-to-syria-to-wipe-out-isis/)

[mick silver]

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[Horn]

Regime bombardment in Syria kills 56 civilians (http://tribune.com.pk/story/1003987/regime-bombardment-in-syria-kills-56-civilians/)
Heavy government bombardment across Syria Friday killed at least 56 civilians, more than a quarter of them children, a monitoring group said.
The bloodiest attack was in Eastern Ghouta, a rebel stronghold east of Damascus, where at least 41 civilians were killed, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
“Regime warplanes targeted the towns of Jisreen and Kfar Batna in the Eastern Ghouta region”, leaving 35 killed in those areas, the Britain-based Observatory added.
Six children were among the dead there, and dozens of people were wounded.
But the opposition National Coalition, the leading anti-regime group in exile, blamed the Jisreen strikes on Russia.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1003987/regime-bombardment-in-syria-kills-56-civilians/

[midnight rambler]

the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

Sure.


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[Jewboo]

the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.



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Horn sandbagging yet another thread.

[Horn]

There seems no credible sources reporting from deep within Syria, guess its just all a no go zone?


The Observatory and Syria-based activist Bebars al-Talawy said that Sheikh Abdullah al-Mheisny was wounded in the northwestern province of Latakia.
A Saudi citizen, al-Mheisny had been fighting in northern Syria for months, serving both as a senior religious and military commander with the al-Qaida branch, known as the Nusra Front.
Activists posted on social media Friday a photo of al-Mheisny, showing his head bandaged.
Rebel-held parts of Latakia have been under attack by government forces who are advancing under the cover of Russian airstrikes.


http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30669373/activists-syrian-airstrikes-on-damascus-suburbs-kill-22

[midnight rambler]

Syria-based activist Bebars al-Talawy

Is this guy one of those who's wanting to overthrow the democratically elected govt. of Assad?

[Horn]

Horn sandbagging yet another thread.

Just shut yur jew hole, pig.

There are some innocents i'm sure somewhere in Syria left that are getting plowed over by all these international bombings.

Who actually has been anywhere near to reporting the truth in Syria?

Could be the entire place ends up genocided at the bequest of Assad and nobody knows the difference.

[mick silver]

Russian air force hit 1,458 targets in Syria over week: agencies
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's air force flew 431 sorties and hit 1,458 "terrorist targets" in Syria in the week of Nov. 26 - Dec. 4, Russian news agencies quoted the Russian Defence Ministry as saying on Friday.
Russian jets hit targets in Syria's Aleppo, Idlib, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor provinces, the ministry said, according to the agencies.
(Reporting by Polina Devitt; editing by Dmitry Solovyov)


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[Jewboo]

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Just shut yur hole, pig.
Who actually has been anywhere
near to reporting the truth about Syria?



All the other GSUS Members except you. We read RT (https://www.rt.com/) and other non-Israeli non-jew sources for news. Why so emotional Hornstein?


:rolleyes:

[Horn]

Putin and Netanyahu: Minds alike over Syrian skies
Israel views Putin's Syria move as an opportunity to cement its interests in the post-Assad era.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/12/putin-netanyahu-minds-alike-syrian-skies-151203134525140.html

[Horn]

All the other GSUS Members except you. We read RT (https://www.rt.com/) and other non-Israeli non-jew sources for news. Why so emotional Hornstein?


:rolleyes:


If you think RT isn't a compromised jew source, you only a dumb jew pig.

That's unforgivable though.

[Jewboo]

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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/12/putin-netanyahu-minds-alike-syrian-skies-151203134525140.html

Oy Vey! Hornstein's source is another jew.

[Horn]

Oy Vey! Hornstein's source is another jew.

Yeah, so what's your point?

Except for your pointy pigtail.

[Shami-Amourae]

If you think RT isn't a compromised jew source, you only a dumb jew pig.

That's unforgivable though.

Almost all of the RT's hosts are Jews.

At least other agencies have Dindus and some token Whites.

DAT NOSE
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[Jewboo]

Almost all of the RT's hosts are Jews.


Not so. That woman you mentioned left RT in a huff when Crimea rejoined Russia. She hasn't worked anywhere since.

[Horn]

Fact is nobody should take any news out of Syria as gold, i for sure do not at this point.

But, that does not mean you filter out any and all you can pick thru.

AND to side with any one news source only leave you I'm sure stinkin like a jew pig, or well as in Book's case becoming one.

[Jewboo]

Fact is nobody should take any news out of Syria as gold, i for sure do not at this point.

Hornstein's intent all along in this thread. Poison the well with his "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" bullshit then when caught claim it all stinks.

[mick silver]

Israeli Colonel Caught with IS Pants Down
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/25/israeli-colonel-caught-with-is-pants-down/

[Horn]

Hornstein's intent all along in this thread. Poison the well with his bullshit then claim it all stinks.

So you're absolutely positive that Netenyahoo and Putin are working peacefully and in conjunction to oversee the greater republic's good in Syria and throughout the Middle East?

No, i'm quite sure something stinks very badly in Syria and trying to gain clarity thru, Book's bullshit jewpig posts.

What's "the well"? And where's all my pictures of Putin's Rabbinic meetings, now you genocidal jewish hoaxster?

Do me a favor take yourself and all your nazi/zion little nigglets to a Jerusalem poster board, you don't have 2 cheeks to squat on around here.

[Neuro]

If you think RT isn't a compromised jew source, you only a dumb jew pig.

That's unforgivable though.
I haven't seen you coming with any constructive criticism re RT's reporting, point out the bullshit you don't agree with.

[Jewboo]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86162-Turks-down-Russian-fighter&p=803791&viewfull=1#post803791

Let the record show that Hornstein was caught redhanded by Midnight Rambler in this post.

[Horn]

I haven't seen you coming with any constructive criticism re RT's reporting, point out the bullshit you don't agree with.

Sure, you feel liked and well contained while watching the rather nonamed conflated pundits, I agree contained to maybe the most a couple hundred thousand views at most.

The U.S. is only an election away from almost complete cleanliness. its an international genocide at this point. Something that helps that along is removing any human voice emanating from Syria as not credible.

Israel's position remains unchanged and in no conflict with Assad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHkher6ceaA

[Jewboo]

Israel's position remains unchanged and in no conflict with Assad.

http://www.goldismoney2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13561&d=1323966927&thumb=1



Oh. Horn now openly defending peaceful Israel at GSUS.




:rolleyes: Israel bombs Assad's territory all the time

[Horn]

:rolleyes: Israel bombs Assad's territory all the time

Wow, you finally do show you have a brain.

I was beginning to think you were that stupid.

the only thing left will be Assad because he gives them no conflict, then he will be replaced. its called genocide.

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2013/05/Mideast-Syria-Israel_Horo2.jpg


Israeli jets carry out strikes north of Damascus — reports

Raids said to target four trucks loaded with ballistic missiles; no immediate reports of casualties

BY TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF (http://www.timesofisrael.com/writers/times-of-israel-staff/) AND JUDAH ARI GROSS (http://www.timesofisrael.com/writers/judah-ari-gross/) December 4, 2015, 6:01 am 15 (http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-jets-carry-out-strikes-north-of-damascus-reports/#comments)

On Monday, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Israel was “keeping an eye out” for the possibility that Hezbollah has attained chemical weapons in Syria.
Ya’alon was responding to unconfirmed reports that Israel has struck sites in Syria five times in recent weeks, despite the presence of a new Russian missile-defense system in the country.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-jets-carry-out-strikes-north-of-damascus-reports/

[JohnQPublic]

Sure, you feel liked and well contained while watching the rather nonamed conflated pundits, I agree contained to maybe the most a couple hundred thousand views at most.

The U.S. is only an election away from almost complete cleanliness. its an international genocide at this point. Something that helps that along is removing any human voice emanating from Syria as not credible.

Israel's position remains unchanged and in no conflict with Assad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHkher6ceaA




OMGosh!

Tulsi Gabbard is a scary... Samoan!

Whatever the case, nice to hear a congress-critter speak some truth!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard
Tulsi Gabbard was born in Leloaloa, American Samoa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoa), the fourth of five children of Mike Gabbard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gabbard) and Carol Porter Gabbard. Her family moved to Hawaii in 1983 when Gabbard was two. Gabbard grew up in a multicultural, multi-religious household. Her father is of Samoan/European heritage and is a practicing Catholic who is a lector (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lector) at his church, but also enjoys practicing mantra meditation, including kirtan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtan).[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard#cite_note-concerns-hindus-indiaabroad-7) Her mother is of Euro-American descent and a practicing Hindu.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard#cite_note-concerns-hindus-indiaabroad-7) Tulsi fully embraced Hinduism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism) as a teenager.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard#cite_note-concerns-hindus-indiaabroad-7) Her siblings' names are Bhakti, Jai, Aryan and Vrindavan.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard#cite_note-bio_2013-8)

[Neuro]

Sure, you feel liked and well contained while watching the rather nonamed conflated pundits, I agree contained to maybe the most a couple hundred thousand views at most.

The U.S. is only an election away from almost complete cleanliness. its an international genocide at this point. Something that helps that along is removing any human voice emanating from Syria as not credible.

The Syrian observatory for human rights, is run from an apartment in England, by a very active anti-Assad Syrian. How is that credible?

[Horn]

The Syrian observatory for human rights, is run from an apartment in England, by a very active anti-Assad Syrian. How is that credible?

Assad is a zionist jew puppet, that's how.

Where did I say credible, are you denying the market bombing ever took place today involving civilians or just the body count #?

Or was it a false flag?

Is there a single gene left in Sweden which is even credibly capable of reproducing?

[Jewboo]

I post shit like "Assad is a zionist jew puppet" here at GSUS to intentionally fuck up your forum. When I'm not posting music videos in your other threads...




:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

Assad is a zionist jew puppet, that's how.

Where did I say credible, are you denying the market bombing ever took place today involving civilians or just the body count #?

Or was it a false flag?

I don't know what happened if anything, but that doesn't mean I would trust your guy in Brixton or whatever!

[Horn]

Assad’s wealthy cousin in
shady business with Israeli

Israeli businessman Freddy Zinger acted as an offshore business proxy for Rami Makhlouf and other members of the Syrian ruling family.

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/565727-assads-wealthy-cousin-in-shady-business-with-israeli

[Horn]

I don't know what happened if anything, but that doesn't mean I would trust your guy in Brixton or whatever!

There was another source involved and it was only duplicated in about 8 other places.

Did you bother researching into their credibility, and what if it didn't even happen like they said?

When I see something reproduced a number of times I might assume some sort of news worthiness at least.

But then again, I'm a dumb American mutt, not a purebred.

[Cebu_4_2]

There was another source involved and it was only duplicated in about 8 other places.

Did you bother researching into their credibility, and what if it didn't even happen like they said?

When I see something reproduced a number of times I might assume some sort of news worthiness at least.

But then again, I'm a dumb American mutt, not a purebred.

Search the title, if it is parroted a million time I regard it as fake propaganda. Any real nooz is copy writed cause they actually did the report or research.

Just my own opinion.

[Jewboo]

Yeah, so what's your point?



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[Cebu_4_2]

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Holy FUCK! I thought only Ponce could produce that many posts!

[Cebu_4_2]

Cant edit for some reson, must be my PC tablet I built 5 years ago, old software no doubt.

How you two buddies have the same thanks? Clones? Jewboo=Book=Ximmy=Horn?

Real confused now.

[monty]

It actually apeared here first
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940730000210


World

Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:38

EXCLUSIVE: Israeli Colonel Leading ISIL Terrorists Captured in Iraq
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TEHRAN (FNA)- Iraqi security and popular forces have caught an Israeli colonel from Golani Brigade along with a number of ISIL terrorists, a commander disclosed on Thursday.
"The security and popular forces have held captive an Israeli colonel," a commander of Iraq's popular mobilization forces said on Thursday.


"The Zionist officer is ranked colonel and had participated in the Takfiri ISIL group's terrorist operations," he added.
Noting that he was arrested along with a number of ISIL terrorists, the commander said, "The Israeli colonel's name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade of the Zionist regime's army with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434."
He said that the relevant bodies are now interrogating the Israeli colonel to understand the reasons behind his fighting alongside the ISIL forces and the presence of other Zionist officers among ISIL terrorists.


The Iraqi security forces said the captured colonel has already made shocking confessions.


Several ISIL militants arrested in the last one year had already confessed that Israeli agents from Mossad and other Israeli espionage and intelligence bodies were present in the first wave of ISIL attacks on Iraq and capture of Mosul in Summer 2014, but no ranking Israeli agent had been arrested.


Political and military experts told FNA that the capture of the Israeli colonel will leave a grave impact on Iraq's war strategy, including partnership with Israeli allies.


In a relevant development in July, Iraqi volunteer forces announced that they had shot down a drone that was spying on the Arab country's security forces in the city of Fallujah, Western Iraq.
Iraq's popular forces reported that they had brought down a hostile surveillance aircraft over the Southeastern Fallujah in Anbar Province.


They said that the wreckage of the ISIL's spy drone carried 'Israel-Made' labels.
This was not the first Israeli-made drone downed in Iraq.
In August an Israeli Hermes drone was shot down in the vicinity of Baghdad Airport.




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[Neuro]

Holy FUCK! I thought only Ponce could produce that many posts!
I think Horn looks to be the winner in the race to 20k, as Ponce seems to only post to explain why he don't post here anymore (apparently some cop is harassing him here). Anyway you aren't to far behind Horn either. Sleep less and drink the bong water seems to be the recipe for success!

[Horn]

Exclusive: The Assad family ties to Israeli business tycoon
http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/features/2015/8/17/exclusive-assads-sanctions-busting-ties-to-israeli-business-tycoon (http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/features/2015/8/17/exclusive-assads-sanctions-busting-ties-to-israeli-business-tycoon)

yeah sure, that's what I mostly concentrate on when posting and replying to the forum, the thanks feature.

Truth is chased from many villages

[Horn]

Search the title, if it is parroted a million time I regard it as fake propaganda. Any real nooz is copy writed cause they actually did the report or research.

Just my own opinion.

Well No, the tide has changed with regards to Assad, he is golden boy to many now. So any damage inflicted upon his opponents sloshes somewhere round the bottom of the meaningless news barrel. Israeli airstrikes to his very own territories go fairly well unnoticed by all Global Inc. news majors. While Assad's cousin appears to pick up Lebanon upon his Syrian exit.

Its obvious to me much hype was made out of AL-ISIS with very little real world impact, excepting the flooding of nons to the north and another Izzy plus. A bunch of fundamentalists enticed and purchased in from parts around the globe, well contained then groomed to be slaughtered and blown up in the desert. A field day for Zion Izzy/Assad Corp.

How anything remains in Syria outside of Assad's own small circle would amaze me, I guess the replacement under new loan terms will be IranOChina?

[Cebu_4_2]

Assad's pretty much in a bad angle at the moment. What amazez me is that they dont have a global central banker, how could a country just go like that?

[Horn]

Assad's pretty much in a bad angle at the moment. What amazez me is that they dont have a global central banker, how could a country just go like that?

Kerry is offering him and Haji reb go shootin ISIS together then fix over pickins afterlikes.

they have a C.B I'm sure is supposed not to be on the Rothschild list, but if you are a major conglomerate royal family that does all transactions under the table, that isn't very necessary either to be Rothschild operated, just need a jew handoff under your table and all is kosher.

[mick silver]

thinking to myself how many fucking oil wells do they have ... every country In the world been bombing them ???????????????......... British bombers hit oil field targets in Syria for second time http://news.yahoo.com/british-bombers-hit-oil-field-targets-syria-second-121505367.html

[singular_me]

meanwhile...

Turkish president Erdogan unveils his new palace of a thousand rooms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVrZQmR1Syg

[mick silver]

U.S. Prepares War Against Russia in Syrian BattlefieldPosted on November 4, 2015 (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/11/u-s-prepares-war-against-russia-in-syrian-battlefield.html) by Eric Zuesse. (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/author/eric-zuesse-2)
Eric Zuesse
On Tuesday November 3rd, U.S. Defense Department spokesperson Laura Seal told The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/03/u-s-brings-dogfighters-to-counter-russians-over-syria.html) that twelve F-15C air-to-air combat planes are being sent to the Incirlik Turkey Air Base for deployment in Syria against Russia’s Su-30 air-to-air combat planes. Neither the F-15C nor the Su-30 can destroy ground-targets, only air-targets — enemy planes.
In other words: U.S. President Barack Obama is telling Russian President Vladimir Putin that unless Putin is willing to go to war against the United States, he must stop what he’s now doing in Syria. Obama is saying this in the only language whose meaning cannot be denied or misinterpreted: sending in counter-force to specifically what Russia has already sent into Syria.
If it were not the case that both the F-15C and the Su-30 are equipped only for air-to-air-combat, then the meaning of Obama’s move here wouldn’t be so clear and unambiguous. Ms. Seal made her point even clearer by volunteering to tell The Daily Beast’s reporter David Axe, “I didn’t say it wasn’t about Russia.” Axe then commented in his article, that this statement of hers “hinted at its [the deployment’s] true purpose.” But one would need to be a fool in order to deny it. The only real question here is why Obama has made this decision, which is quite likely to be fateful. So: that’s the subject: Why did he do this?
On 11 October 2015, CBS’s “60 Minutes” aired a segment, “Steve Kroft questions President Obama on topics including Russia’s incursion in Syria” (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obama-60-minutes-syria-isis-2016-presidential-race/), and the U.S. President was challenged there by Mr. Kroft regarding whether he’s “weak” on the Syria matter:
Steve Kroft: A year ago when we did this interview, there was some saber-rattling between the United States and Russia on the Ukrainian border. Now it’s also going on in Syria. You said a year ago that the United States — America leads. We’re the indispensible nation. Mr. Putin seems to be challenging that leadership.
President Barack Obama: In what way? Let — let’s think about this — let — let —
Steve Kroft: Well, he’s moved troops into Syria, for one. He’s got people on the ground. Two, the Russians are conducting military operations in the Middle East for the first time since World War II —
President Barack Obama: So that’s —
Steve Kroft: — bombing the people — that we are supporting.
President Barack Obama: So that’s leading, Steve? Let me ask you this question. When I came into office, Ukraine was governed by a corrupt ruler who was a stooge of Mr. Putin. Syria was Russia’s only ally in the region. And today, rather than being able to count on their support and maintain the base they had in Syria, which they’ve had for a long time, Mr. Putin now is devoting his own troops, his own military, just to barely hold together by a thread his sole ally. And in Ukraine —
Steve Kroft: He’s challenging your leadership, Mr. President. He’s challenging your leadership —
President Barack Obama: Well Steve, I got to tell you, if you think that running your economy into the ground and having to send troops in in order to prop up your only ally is leadership, then we’ve got a different definition of leadership. My definition of leadership would be leading on climate change, an international accord that potentially we’ll get in Paris. My definition of leadership is mobilizing the entire world community to make sure that Iran doesn’t get a nuclear weapon. And with respect to the Middle East, we’ve got a 60-country coalition that isn’t suddenly lining up around Russia’s strategy. To the contrary, they are arguing that, in fact, that strategy will not work.
Steve Kroft: My point is — was not that he was leading, my point is that he was challenging your leadership. And he has very much involved himself in the situation. Can you imagine anything happening in Syria of any significance at all without the Russians now being involved in it and having a part of it?
President Barack Obama: But that was true before. Keep in mind that for the last five years, the Russians have provided arms, provided financing, as have the Iranians, as has Hezbollah.
Steve Kroft: But they haven’t been bombing and they haven’t had troops on the ground —
President Barack Obama: And the fact that they had to do this is not an indication of strength, it’s an indication that their strategy did not work.
Steve Kroft: You don’t think —
President Barack Obama: You don’t think that Mr. Putin would’ve preferred having Mr. Assad be able to solve this problem without him having to send a bunch of pilots and money that they don’t have?
Steve Kroft: Did you know he was going to do all this when you met with him in New York?
President Barack Obama: Well, we had seen — we had pretty good intelligence. We watch —
Steve Kroft: So you knew he was planning to do it.
President Barack Obama: We knew that he was planning to provide the military assistance that Assad was needing because they were nervous about a potential imminent collapse of the regime.
Steve Kroft: You say he’s doing this out of weakness. There is a perception in the Middle East among our adversaries, certainly and even among some of our allies that the United States is in retreat, that we pulled our troops out of Iraq and ISIS has moved in and taken over much of that territory. The situation in Afghanistan is very precarious and the Taliban is on the march again. And ISIS controls a large part of Syria.
President Barack Obama: I think it’s fair to say, Steve, that if —
Steve Kroft: It’s — they — let me just finish the thought. They say your —
President Barack Obama: You’re —
Steve Kroft: — they say you’re projecting a weakness, not a strength–
President Barack Obama: — you’re saying “they,” but you’re not citing too many folks. But here —
Steve Kroft: No, I’ll cite — I’ll cite if you want me, too.
President Barack Obama: — here — yes. Here —
Steve Kroft: I’d say the Saudis. I’d say the Israelis. I’d say a lot of our friends in the Middle East. I’d say everybody in the Republican party. Well, you want me to keep going?
President Barack Obama: Yeah. The — the — if you are — if you’re citing the Republican party, I think it’s fair to say that there is nothing I’ve done right over the last seven and a half years.
Apparently, the U.S. President is taking this matter so much to heart, he’s now willing to start World War III over it, so as to prove that he’s not “weak.”
The Cold War was never this hot except at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. But in that particular instance, the U.S. faced a potential Soviet nuclear attack upon the United States, by Soviet missiles being placed near the U.S. in Cuba. This time around, it’s starting very differently: there is no danger that Russia is posing to the United States. Indeed, Putin had repeatedly requested the U.S.’s cooperation with the war against jihadists in Syria, but Obama has repeatedly refused.
Now, Obama is going farther than merely refusing to cooperate: he’s ordering Putin to stop. Obama is doing this by his action, demanding that Putin allow Sunni jihadists to take control in Syria, a nation that under Assad has a secular non-sectarian government, most of whose chief officials are Shiites (though the Prime Minister, Wael Nader al-Halqi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Nader_al-Halqi), is Sunni), and where the Constitution is entirely non-religious and keeps a wall of separation between church-and-state (the only one like that in the entire Middle East) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Syria) — which all of the opposition-organizations that are warring against it oppose, because they’re all jihadist Sunni organizations.
Obama is, in effect, now telling Putin that the United States is willing to go to war against Russia in order to be able to eliminate Syria’s non-jihadist government — a government that was founded not only as anti-jihadist but as entirely non-religious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Ba%27ath_Party_%E2%80%93_Syria_Regi on). He’s saying this in the clearest language possible, but Putin could simply ignore it. What then will be the response when American and Russian fighter-pilots fire at each other in a Syrian sky, and one of them gets killed in the process, and his plane goes down, perhaps in flames? Will the loser (either Obama or Putin) of that battle, simply quit World War III immediately after it started, before it goes nuclear? Or, will he not? And, if not, then what will his response be? And when would that mutual test of “strength” end — and how would it end?
This could get interesting. It might even get catastrophic (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/06/indications-u-s-planning-nuclear-attack-russia.html).
—————
Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010 (http://www.amazon.com/Theyre-Not-Even-Close-Democratic/dp/1880026090/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1339027537&sr=8-9), and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Q1H4EG).

[mick silver]

U.S. Brings Dogfighters to Counter Russians Over SyriaThe Pentagon is sending F-15Cs—supposedly to fight the ISIS war. But the jets only have air-to-air weapons, and ISIS has no planes. Which means the real adversary is Russia.
The U.S. Air Force is deploying to Turkey up to a dozen jet fighters specializing in air-to-air combat—apparently to help protect other U.S. and allied jets from Russia’s own warplanes flying over Syria.
Officially, the deployment of F-15C Eagle twin-engine fighters to Incirlik, Turkey—which the Pentagon announced late last week—is meant to “ensure the safety” of America’s NATO allies, Laura Seal, a Defense Department spokesperson, told The Daily Beast (http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/626814/department-of-defense-background-briefing-on-enhancing-counter-isil-operations).
That could mean that the single-seat F-15s and the eight air-to-air missiles they routinely carry will help the Turkish air force patrol Turkey’s border with Syria, intercepting Syrian planes and helicopters that periodically stray into Turkish territory.

[Horn]

Syria government, rebels could cooperate vs IS before Assad goes: Kerry



U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Friday it might be possible for the Syrian government and rebel forces to cooperate against Islamic State militants without Syrian President Bashar al-Assad having first left power.


However, Kerry said it would be "exceedingly difficult" to achieve this if rebel forces that have been fighting against Assad for more than four years did not have some confidence that the Syrian leader would eventually go.


Kerry was asked at a news conference during a visit to Greece whether Assad's departure was a precondition for Western-backed rebels to cooperate with government troops against IS, which has captured a swathe of Syria and Iraq and carried out a string of attacks in other countries.


"With respect to the question of Assad and the timing, I think the answer is ... it is not clear that he would have to ‘go’ if there was clarity with respect to what his future might or might not be," Kerry said.


That clarification could come in many forms that would give certainty to the opposition.


"But it would be exceedingly difficult to cooperate without some indication or confidence on the part of those who have been fighting him that in fact there is a resolution or a solution in sight," Kerry added.


Otherwise the rebels would feel they were helping and entrenching Assad, which would be completely unacceptable, he said.


Russia and Iran, Assad's main allies, have said it will be up to the Syrian people to decide on Assad's role at a future presidential election.


Russia has intervened militarily in support of Assad with air strikes against both IS and Western-backed rebels, while a U.S.-led coalition of Western and Sunni Arab states has been waging an air campaign against IS in Syria and Iraq.


A U.S. official who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity said Kerry's message was that Assad "doesn't have to go right now", provided there was a clear political transition in prospect, a position Washington has held for months.




Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-kerry-idUSKBN0TN1D120151204#gKf8ao3cZqorptXQ.99


Sorry for the jews media link, appears noteworthy.

Dickaliscious

[Jewboo]

I think Horn looks to be the winner in the race to 20k...



http://www.leofrank.org/images/adl/adl-dark-side.jpg



ADL must be paying Horn a shekel for every nonsense music video and post he slides into a GSUS thread.


:rolleyes: not paid hourly