Private Municipality Functions

[palani]

Why not ask if a municipality is acting in its' public or private capacity?

For example ... mowing grass it deems too long and sending you a bill. Is this public or private?

Question ... Is the bill to be paid in FRNs or specie (gold/silver)? If FRNs are demanded then this corporation is not being bound by the states' restriction that it make nothing but gold or silver a tender of payment ... and this has PRIVATE written all over it. Same with property tax. FRNs or specie?

https://books.google.com/books?id=WQVIAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA431&dq=hospitality&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2ifS7k6nJAhWGZCYKHRpJCEI4ChDoAQg5MAQ#v =onepage&q=hospitality&f=false
http://i63.tinypic.com/apag08.jpg

[Glass]

we use this a lot down here. The Constitutional stipulation on the payment of debts with Gold or Silver in combination with the Currency Act and it is not possible to legally pay a debt, a claim or obligation. To do so would be breaking the law. Then you negotiate directly with the elected representatives and inform them of the liability they are creating for themselves. I had news of one just like this come through today. Liability can be a fear inducer. Fear leverages into action. Leverage works both ways.

[palani]

Then you negotiate directly with the elected representatives and inform them of the liability they are creating for themselves. I had news of one just like this come through today. Liability can be a fear inducer. Fear leverages into action. Leverage works both ways.
Understand that what we call 'nations' or 'states' (whether in the plural or singular sense) are nothing more or less than municipal corporations.

All law is municipal law.

The municipality actually is the officers that represent that entity although most people confuse the municipality with the territory they claim.

When they deal in private credit they have no immunity as they are not acting in a public capacity but rather for pecuniary gain (a retirement plan .. or to build their estates).

[Carl]

The states are not "municipalities", they are Constitutional Republics.

[palani]

The states are not "municipalities", they are Constitutional Republics.
City-states. With territory attached. State law is municipal law.


I proceeded to treat more fully of the principal fubject of this fection, municipal or civil law; that is, the rule by which particular diftricts, communities, or nations are governed; being thus defined by Juftinian d, “jus civile eft quod quifque fibi populus conftituit.” I call it municipal law, in compliance with common fpeech; for, tho ftrictly that expreffion denotes the particular cuftoms of one fingle municipium or free town, yet it may with fufficient propriety be applied to any one ftate or nation, which is governed by the fame laws and cuftoms.

MUNICIPAL law, thus underftood, is properly defined to be “a rule of civil conduct prefcribed by the fupreme power in “a ftate, commanding what is right and prohibiting what is “wrong.” Let us endeavour to explain it's feveral properties, as they arife out of this definition.

If you feel that adding capitals to your words makes them significant then reflect on what effect adding Capitals to your Territory has.


Territorie, as I take it, is derived from the Latin word Territorium, which is a Territorie, or all the fields and contrey lying within the bounds and libertie of a Citie, which doth extend farre without the walles of the Citie round about, by certain meetes and boundaries, without any other inclosure belonging to the same: And, because a Forrest doth likewise lie open and not inclosed, having onely but meetes and boundaries to know the Ring and uttermost Skirtes of the forrest by, therefore this word Territorie, is used as a meete word for that purpose. The French man doth use this word Territorie in the same sense, for he doth say le Territoire d’vneville, which is, the territorie or whole circuit of land, belonging to a towne or Citie.

[Glass]

yes all our councils are now called cities. City states. No authority to exist as such but they do it anyway. Once upon a time you have to have some several hundred thousand or even a million people before you could call your town a city. I remember when my state got its second city. Big hoopla. And then years later suddenly all the councils, shires and townships started becoming cities.

[Carl]

The Differences between Federal, State, and Local Laws (http://www.lawhelp.org/resource/the-differences-between-federal-state-and-loc)

You're talking out your ass again.

[Glass]

The Differences between Federal, State, and Local Laws (http://www.lawhelp.org/resource/the-differences-between-federal-state-and-loc)

You're talking out your ass again.

That is just the demarcation list of what matters will be heard in which location. There is no difference in the type of law applied. Just differences in where, who by and who to.

[palani]

You're talking out your ass again.

Just because you have no eyes to see, ears to hear or brain to think ... no need to be crude. My cites are plainly marked.

THE MATRIX HAS YOU!!!

[Carl]

That is just the demarcation list of what matters will be heard in which location. There is no difference in the type of law applied. Just differences in where, who by and who to.

Federal Laws are applicable in Federally held territories and federal properties within a state. State laws are applicable state wide. Municipal or local laws only apply within the municipality or local jurisdiction. Jurisdiction Is Everything.

[palani]

That is just the demarcation list of what matters will be heard in which location. There is no difference in the type of law applied. Just differences in where, who by and who to.

City-states choose to subdivide their territory into COUNTIES. These counties have a body politic ... they call them CITIES, VILLAGES and TOWNSHIPS.

Do you notice the entire lack of PEOPLE in this scheme?

[palani]

Federal Laws are applicable in Federally held territories and federal properties within a state. State laws are applicable state wide. Municipal or local laws only apply within the municipality or local jurisdiction. Jurisdiction Is Everything.
The laws of a CAPITAL apply to the territory attached to that CAPITAL.

The Articles of Confederation failed in favor of the newer U.S. constitution because this document created a MUNICIPALITY at the District of Columbia. Following the NW Ordinance under the Articles they (politicians) realized they had nothing to attach territory to. They HAD to create the District to deal with territories. And they are STILL dealing with territories the same way.

[monty]

City-states choose to subdivide their territory into COUNTIES. These counties have a body politic ... they call them CITIES, VILLAGES and TOWNSHIPS.

Do you notice the entire lack of PEOPLE in this scheme?

for what it is worth - states have a body politic also:

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/Constitution
PREAMBLE.
The end of the institution, maintenance, and administration of government, is to secure the existence of the body politic, to protect it, and to furnish the individuals who compose it with the power of enjoying in safety and tranquility their natural rights, and the blessings of life: and whenever these great objects are not obtained, the people have a right to alter the government, and to take measures necessary for their safety, prosperity and happiness.
The body politic is formed by a voluntary association of individuals: it is a social compact, by which the whole people covenants with each citizen, and each citizen with the whole people, that all shall be governed by certain laws for the common good. It is the duty of the people, therefore, in framing a constitution of government, to provide for an equitable mode of making laws, as well as for an impartial interpretation, and a faithful execution of them; that every man may, at all times, find his security in them.
We, therefore, the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the goodness of the great Legislator of the universe, in affording us, in the course of His providence, an opportunity, deliberately and peaceably, without fraud, violence or surprise, of entering into an original, explicit, and solemn compact with each other; and of forming a new constitution of civil government, for ourselves and posterity; and devoutly imploring His direction in so interesting a design, do agree upon, ordain and establish the following Declaration of Rights, and Frame of Government, as the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

[Carl]

The laws of a CAPITAL apply to the territory attached to that CAPITAL. And that's called a STATE.


The Articles of Confederation failed in favor of the newer U.S. constitution because this document created a MUNICIPALITY at the District of Columbia. Following the NW Ordinance under the Articles they (politicians) realized they had nothing to attach territory to. They HAD to create the District to deal with territories. And they are STILL dealing with territories the same way.

You're talking out your ass again, the District of Columbia had nothing to do with the Northwest Ordinance or it's "attachment".

Northwest Ordinance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Ordinance)

District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Organic_Act_of_1871)

[palani]

for what it is worth - states have a body politic also

True ... although they would have you believe People are the body politic. A State is subdivided into counties and as aforementioned counties are composed of villages, cities and townships. No People there.

'Course if you have land you will note on your deed that it is going to start with a township and a range unless you are so fortunate to have one based upon metes and bounds or riparian boundaries.

[palani]

And that's called a STATE.
A state is liquid, solid or vapor.


You're talking out your ass
I am intelligent enough to know I can lead a horse to water but cannot make him drink. Enjoy your koolaid.

[palani]

And perhaps we should return to the original observation in the OP. That there is a public side and a private side to each municipal corporation ...

and this includes each of the several States as the federal government (now commonly call 'THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT').

[7th trump]

The Differences between Federal, State, and Local Laws (http://www.lawhelp.org/resource/the-differences-between-federal-state-and-loc)

You're talking out your ass again.

What do you mean?
He hasnt yet stopped talking out his ass!

[midnight rambler]

The states are not "municipalities", they are Constitutional Republics.

Not according to the CIA Factbook. lol

[Glass]

Federal Laws are applicable in Federally held territories and federal properties within a state. State laws are applicable state wide. Municipal or local laws only apply within the municipality or local jurisdiction. Jurisdiction Is Everything.

yes it is everything. But confusing jurisdiction with form of law is what is happening here. Form of law is private commercial law, jurisdiction determined by the value of the controvesy.

If the value of the controversy is low, then lower courts deal with it. If it's higher value it goes up the pyramid. But the type/form of law being applied is the same in each venue.

[7th trump]

So does anyone know what causes the feds to have jurisdiction within a state?
Bet none of you know?

I know Palani doesnt just from his comment about "income".
Anybody else want to take a shot at it?

[midnight rambler]

Why don't you enlighten us all, Mr. I don't know the difference between a .223 and a 5.56?

[boogietillyapuke]

So does anyone know what causes the feds to have jurisdiction within a state?
Bet none of you know?

Okay, I'll bite......,.....Because they have bigger guns than us, and if we dont obey them, they'll kill us, or imprison us or make our lives miserable.

[Carl]

Not according to the CIA Factbook. lol

I'm not taking your word for nothing, post a link to the info that contradicts the fact that they are not constitutional republics.

[midnight rambler]

I'm not taking your word for nothing, post a link to the info that contradicts the fact that they are not constitutional republics.

I'm just sayin' that USG, Inc, through their agency at their website CIA Factbook states clearly under the 'government' tab for 'United States' that there are 'administrative divisions' listed and not individual republics.

It's all in the presentation. The USG, Inc. is an authority on such matters, right?

It took me less than a minute to find that info, including doing a search for 'cia factbook'. Are you too lazy to look for yourself?

[Glass]

yes the CIA Fact Book is a physical thing you can buy. Usually fairly cheap. I bought one a couple of years back. Makes for interesting reading. Can be 3 to 4 years behind on statistics. Not incorrect on statistics just a couple years behind. It will usually indicate the time frame their stats applies to. Govt stats usually take 3 to 4 years to be published, unless they assist with some kind of political expediency.

[7th trump]

Why don't you enlighten us all, Mr. I don't know the difference between a .223 and a 5.56?

Hahaha...I know the difference, but I dont own any 556 ammo myself so hence why I said 223. With all your bullshit from your pinko commy butt getting hurt you havent yet told the difference. So I doubt you yourself actually know. Just a jack of all trades and master of none......its obvious here on this site you're just a big mouth that always has a bigger fish story to tell.....and thats obvious.

All my uppers and barrels come from Blackthorne.

[7th trump]

I'm just sayin' that USG, Inc, through their agency at their website CIA Factbook states clearly under the 'government' tab for 'United States' that there are 'administrative divisions' listed and not individual republics.

It's all in the presentation. The USG, Inc. is an authority on such matters, right?

It took me less than a minute to find that info, including doing a search for 'cia factbook'. Are you too lazy to look for yourself?


Of course Carl........we all know his info comes directly from the Kremlin....via KGB!

[palani]

He hasnt yet stopped talking
You hearing voices again? Seek help.

SERIOUSLY!!!

[palani]

So does anyone know what causes the feds to have jurisdiction within a state?

Consent.

[7th trump]

I'm not taking your word for nothing, post a link to the info that contradicts the fact that they are not constitutional republics.

They are all Constitutional republics. The inhabitants within these republics that choose a political status is what makes these republics appear federal.

5usc 522(a)(13)
"Federal personnel"....anyone participating in a government welfare program......IE Social Security!

[boogietillyapuke]

5usc 522(a)(13)
"Federal personnel"....anyone participating in a government welfare program......IE Social Security!


Having trouble finding it in a Google search, could you please point us to it with a direct link, or do I need to fire up TOR and do a search of the dark web?

[Carl]

I'm just sayin' that USG, Inc, through their agency at their website CIA Factbook states clearly under the 'government' tab for 'United States' that there are 'administrative divisions' listed and not individual republics.

It's all in the presentation. The USG, Inc. is an authority on such matters, right?

It took me less than a minute to find that info, including doing a search for 'cia factbook'. Are you too lazy to look for yourself?
Personally, I think your a fuking liar, you haven't found jack shit and even if you did, wouldn't understand what you were reading.

[7th trump]

Having trouble finding it in a Google search, could you please point us to it with a direct link, or do I need to fire up TOR and do a search of the dark web?


(13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/552a

[boogietillyapuke]

Your posted link refers to Administrative record keeping. I collect S/S and a military retired pension therefore I'm federal personnel only in your loosely quoted paragraph which in whole is about FOIA requests. Who must do what, who can release what, and who to and under what circumstances.

It also attaches to virtually all privacy act disclosures on all federal forms. Please illustrate other than in a paragraph of definitions, exactly where your quoted " federal personnel" applies to me.

BTW, still waiting for the punch line to post #21.

[7th trump]

Your posted link refers to Administrative record keeping. I collect S/S and a military retired pension therefore I'm federal personnel only in your loosely quoted paragraph which in whole is about FOIA requests. Who must do what, who can release what, and who to and under what circumstances.

It also attaches to virtually all privacy act disclosures on all federal forms. Please illustrate other than in a paragraph of definitions, exactly where your quoted " federal personnel" applies to me.

BTW, still waiting for the punch line to post #21.

So you don't get that huh?
Its pretty cut and dry....no brainer!
The government has a record of you being "federal personnel" because you participate in Social Security, no different than active service members being in the same records. Don't think so....do a FOIA request asking for just that information.
You wouldn't be in their government record system if you weren't in the first place.


This is not difficult by any means.

[boogietillyapuke]

So you don't get that huh?

I get that you're link is nothing but words on how the .gov is required to treat info.....doesn't affect me in the least.

The government has a record of you being "federal personnel" because you participate in Social Security.
They have one of you too. Don't think they don't ? Don't be delusional.

This is not difficult by any means.
No it's really not........unless.


Still awaiting that punch line.

[palani]

Still awaiting that punch line.

If he told you then you would both know that he doesn't know squat.