Hollographic theory is just that, a false theory

[aeondaze]

The hollographic theory has a lot of people caught up in things they simply don't understand. There are claims that scinetists are starting to see this as a credible theory and that is simply INCORECT in every way!

There are MANY more scinetists that don't believe it has ANY validity. We've heard constant whinning from a certain member about this as a fact, but the truth is it simply isn't.

Its not a subject thats open to faith based interpresations contrary to the ignorant crass musings of some posters. We've all heard about their bombastic and bloviated opinions about this as some fact or a belief. Lets get some context on why this interpretation is in all probaility just DEAD WRONG!


While Maldacena made a compelling argument, it was a conjecture, not a formal proof. So there has been a lot of theoretical work trying to find such a proof. Now, two papers have come out (here and here) demonstrating that the conjecture works for a particular theoretical case. Of course the situation they examined was for a hypothetical universe, not a universe like ours. So this new work is really a mathematical test that proves the AdS/CFT correspondence for a particular situation.

FROM: http://www.universetoday.com/107172/why-our-universe-is-not-a-hologram/


The Fermilab physicist Craig Hogan claims that the holographic principle would imply quantum fluctuations in spatial position[16] that would lead to apparent background noise or "holographic noise" measurable at gravitational wave detectors, in particular GEO 600.[17] However these claims have not been widely accepted, or cited, among quantum gravity researchers and appear to be in direct conflict with string theory calculations.[

FROM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle


When the gravitational wave detector GEO 600 found that, on incredibly small scales, there was "blurriness" in the data it gathered, some in the physics community theorized that all our scientific data were merely pixels being projected onto the universe, whose source was really a 2-dimensional reality. This holographic theory of the universe now seems false, having been contradicted by data recently found by the European Space Agency's Integral gamma-ray observatory. Again, down to an incredibly small scale (10^-48 meter) the observatory found there was no "blurriness" in the data.

FROM: http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/the-universe-is-not-a-holograph

So the data is in and the theory is WRONG ;)

[singular_me]

let me guess, you just googled "holographic universe theory hoax or improvable" or something like that. :) then you went into cut and paste mode.

But the best to make up one's mind is at least to watch several videos having another take. If you cant spend several hours/days listening to the any new concept, you cannot prove anything wrong

[aeondaze]

let me guess, you just google "holographic universe theory hoax or improvable" or something like that. :) then you went into cut and paste mode.

But the best to make up one's mind is at least to watch several videos having another take. If you cant spend several hours/days listening to the any new concept, you cannot prove anything wrong

You insolent twit, how dare you!

I have a masters degree in scinetific endeavours and understand the purport of the Data, yet you want to equate what I do with your crass hit and run cut and paste jobs!

I will concede that because this is all your capable of you cannot fathom that some people actually understnad the intricacies of the subject matter at hand, which I might add you refuse to address!

The data is in, the holorapohic universe theory has fallen out of favour because the latest findings from the European Space Agency's Integral gamma-ray observatory has shown down to a VERY small scale there are NO quantum fluctuations in spatial position.

GAME OVER - you've lost the debate!

[palani]

I have a masters degree in scinetific endeavours

Unfortunate that someone could be so educated and not know how to spell scientific.

A spell checker is the easiest thing in the world to run. And that's a FACT!!!

[singular_me]

sure :)



You insolent twit, how dare you!

I have a masters degree in scinetific endeavours and understand the purport of the Data, yet you want to equate what I do with your crass hit and run cut and paste jobs!

GAME OVER - you've lost the debate!

[aeondaze]

Unfortunate that someone could be so educated and not know how to spell scientific.

A spell checker is the easiest thing in the world to run. And that's a FACT!!!,

Haha, yea I would normally agree however, two weeks ago I did a cleanup on my PC and spell check had somehow been disbaled ???

I've checked OS spell check, its ON, I've checked my browser spell check, it too is on. I am fresh out of ideas, but not really too concerned.

Its sort of liberating just typing away and doing a cursory check, I don't care that much to be anal about it. ;)

[palani]

Its sort of liberating just typing away

and you might even end up with a new entry in the Oxford Dictionary of English.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/how-do-new-words-enter-oxford-dictionaries

[aeondaze]

sure :)

Glad you've finally come around and conceded defeat!

{--->)

You're inability to address the actual physical data that contradicts your cherished theories is VERY telling indeed. :rolleyes:

[palani]

{--->)

You're inability ...

What IS a hollographic theory?

Is that where the earth is considered to be a shell (hollow)?

And "you're inability" breaks down to "you are inability... " whereas "your inability ... " makes more sense.

[singular_me]

Palani, I cannot guess if what you are saying is a tongue in the cheek or not, but in a nutshell, earth is at the center of the universe due to the holographic nature of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU

The interesting part, what the video doesnt say though, is that it also implies the same concept for every living being within it, each of us being the Whole That Is.

Humans are completely tuned up with the Universe. The Universe *is* conscious and *self aware*. The Universe as a conscious entity guides all my research.

Listen to the video, definitely compelling and proven

mainstream academia will eventually have to brace itself for a complete collapse.

[palani]

Palani, I cannot guess if what you are saying is a tongue in the cheek or not, but in a nutshell, earth is at the center of the universe due to the holographic nature of it.

Idem sonans ... Hollographic or holographic? I don't doubt they are pronounced the same .. but things that are similar are not the same.

Do a google search for HOLLOGRAPHIC and report back what comes up.

[singular_me]

aeon has written holographic with a typo.

just googled hoLLographic and nothing insightful related to physics really came up... nor hollow earth

[Neuro]

The Fermilab physicist Craig Hogan claims that the holographic principle would imply quantum fluctuations in spatial position[16] that would lead to apparent background noise or "holographic noise" measurable at gravitational wave detectors, in particular GEO 600.[17] However these claims have not been widely accepted, or cited, among quantum gravity researchers and appear to be in direct conflict with string theory calculations.
I don't give much credence to either holographic theory nor string theory, but it seems Goldie subscribe to both. However it doesn't matter what anyone says, she is still right, and won the debate...

[palani]

aeon has written holographic with a typo.
If this is so then he hasn't bothered to correct it. Beware of things that others can come back with a 'mistake' label. Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't.


googled hoLLographic and nothing insightful
Nope. This is frequently the case with words that don't exist. They can mean anything to anybody.

I think he just flipped out some bait and you hit on it.

[singular_me]

I don't give much credence to either holographic theory nor string theory, but it seems Goldie subscribe to both. However it doesn't matter what anyone says, she is still right, and won the debate...

listen/watch to the video and you will see/hear all the big shots rallying to support it... transitions to new theories are always tough because the old school can't let it go (after all they are the ones fooling students with their degrees and must fight for their incomes), but since much of mainstream academia is mostly a farce, I always will go along with the heretics with enough evidence under their belts and who can explain their take reasonably simply. One doesnt need to be a PhD to understand the video I posted.

One cannot know everything and never will... but that is how I am. Thinking today that our knowledge is the paramount is just ludicrous. Keep an open mind and push the boundaries is my motto.

As an example, we could have gotten rid of oil/fuel engines decades ago, so much for those buying it and paying the college's high costs of the so-called education and end up thinking they know everything about them. I call this being conned. Now do I know about fuel engines? of course not... but nonetheless am self educated enough and know there is better out there, even if I am not an engineer. The oil cartel wins.

Where is the magalev train (using magnets) I was reading in the news in the late 80's? They made a prototype and it never went much father than that. Or there are small renditions used around the airports... the Edison monopoly wins again.

we can say that it all about the masonic zionists, but at some point we'll have to take responsibility for the state of the world, and the more we wait the worse it gets

[ximmy]

http://nancyfriedman.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4f9453ef01b8d087051d970c-pi

[7th trump]

Unfortunate that someone could be so educated and not know how to spell scientific.

A spell checker is the easiest thing in the world to run. And that's a FACT!!!

Don't believe him. Dont believe anything Palani has to say when he says "fact".
ITS A TRAP!!

Facts are evil and have no use....dont believe him AEONDAZE....its a trap!

[Neuro]

listen/watch to the video and you will see/hear all the big shots rallying to support it... transitions to new theories are always tough because the old school can't let it go (after all they are the ones fooling students with their degrees and must fight for their incomes), but since much of mainstream academia is mostly a farce, I always will go along with the heretics with enough evidence under their belts and who can explain their take reasonably simply. One doesnt need to be a PhD to understand the video I posted.

One cannot know everything and never will... but that is how I am. Thinking today that our knowledge is the paramount is just ludicrous. Keep an open mind and push the boundaries is my motto.

As an example, we could have gotten rid of oil/fuel engines decades ago, so much for those buying it and paying the college's high costs of the so-called education and end up thinking they know everything about them. I call this being conned. Now do I know about fuel engines? of course not... but nonetheless am self educated enough and know there is better out there, even if I am not an engineer. The oil cartel wins.

Where is the magalev train (using magnets) I was reading in the news in the late 80's? They made a prototype and it never went much father than that. Or there are small renditions used around the airports... the Edison monopoly wins again.

we can say that it all about the masonic zionists, but at some point we'll have to take responsibility for the state of the world, and the more we wait the worse it gets
Amazing that you can use that many words and still not a single one is addressed to your apparent contradiction in believing in two contradictory theories. Just like you support the mutually contradictory electric universe theories and black hole theory, which both would be contradictory to your holographic universe theory.

It is probably contradictory to sanity to ask you this question, but... Are you crazy?

Is your purpose to bring out a UNIFIED CONTRADICTORY THEORY of THE UNIVERSE?

[singular_me]

What this vid says about the black holes, although inaccurate, doesnt negate, or nullify, the holographic theory.

I go with Michel Talbot, and his Thunderbolts video if recommending the electric universe theory.

I just saw that Talbot (relistening now) has one about the holographic theory, so combining the previous and this one might be useful. In fact I was already aware of it but completely forgot that I watched it 2 or so years ago. A mistake.

Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe, Holographic Brain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgYz_BU2Ew





Amazing that you can use that many words and still not a single one is addressed to your apparent contradiction in believing in two contradictory theories. Just like you support the mutually contradictory electric universe theories and black hole theory, which both would be contradictory to your holographic universe theory.

It is probably contradictory to sanity to ask you this question, but... Are you crazy?

Is your purpose to bring out a UNIFIED CONTRADICTORY THEORY of THE UNIVERSE?

[mick silver]

http://www.digibuzzme.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/blender_3d_hologram_by_logichy.jpg

[Neuro]

What this vid says about the black holes, although inaccurate, doesnt negate, or nullify, the holographic theory.

I go with Michel Talbot, and his Thunderbolts video if recommending the electric universe theory.

I just saw that Talbot (relistening now) has one about the holographic theory, so combining the previous and this one might be useful. In fact I was already aware of it but completely forgot that I watched it 2 or so years ago. A mistake.

Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe, Holographic Brain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgYz_BU2Ew
I don't care what that video says, Electric universe theory, black hole theory and holographic universe theory, are mutually contradictive to each other, all of them. Electric universe theory says that universe is held together with and created continuously by electric charges. The center of the galaxy is the vortex of a magnetic dipole which draws in negative and positive charged plasma at its respective pole, as they combine they become bubbles of gas that become stars that are slung out in the galaxy. Black hole theory instead says there is a supermassive black hole that engulfs the stars. Conclusion: both can't be correct

[Neuro]

Part 2: If holographic universe theory is correct, then it follows that neither electric universe theory nor black hole theory is correct. Because if the universe is just a holographic projection a black hole or an electric connection is just a projection too...

see Goldie how ridiculous it is to think all can be correct?

[singular_me]

Part 2: If holographic universe theory is correct, then it follows that neither electric universe theory nor black hole theory is correct. Because if the universe is just a holographic projection a black hole or an electric connection is just a projection too...

see Goldie how ridiculous it is to think all can be correct?

nope... theories SUPERimpose. You will never find a theory bridging everything because the more one probes, the more complex it becomes, and each level of complexities has its own theories. Thats the main problem with academia. It sends everybody in one direction, then everybody gets baffled, and the old school resists.

I stick to my electric and holographic theories for now. And god knows which one(s) is/are going to challenge them in a not so distant future.

eisntein wont survive, thats for sure. I have never probed that much the string theory but it is going to gain ground, because metaphysics is a fundamental and embedded in the Universe. The level of complexity is too huge for us to even fathom.

the slit experiment is for real... and is going to divide more and more scientists. Just an example that sciences will have to deal with metaphysics at some point.

[Neuro]

The level of complexity is too huge for us to even fathom.
Yes especially when you pick three theories as correct, which mutually contradict each other. ;D

[singular_me]

Yes especially when you pick three theories as correct, which mutually contradict each other. ;D

gravity theory is on its death bed now.

I can throw another one into the mix if you wish... some scientists agree that the Universe is a computer ;D

I think the holographic and electric theories will eventually become compatible... wait and see. My intuition.

I dont think I mentioned a 3rd one in this thread.

[mick silver]

I keep hitting delete and nothing is happening

[aeondaze]

gravity theory is on its death bed now.

I can throw another one into the mix if you wish... some scientists agree that the Universe is a computer ;D

I think the holographic and electric theories will eventually become compatible... wait and see. My intuition.

I dont think I mentioned a 3rd one in this thread.

Gravity on its deathbed? I don't think so, remember that little experiment we talked about some time back, you know the one where you jump off a ten story building? Then come tell me if gravity doesn't exist.

This is another absurd opinion of yours.

You still haven't addressed the data which shows us unequivicolly that the holographic universe theory is incorrect. You know the actual physical data which proves beyond any reasonable doubt that this idea is completely false...

The more you continue with these asinine theories the more your personal ideaology looks like fundamentalist dogma :rolleyes:

[singular_me]

whatever aeon, fine...

read what I said t neuro about level of complexities... however the electric theory absorbs and overshadows that of gravity. This is what happens when knowledge progresses. Maybe a new word for gravity will be found.

[singular_me]

additionally Neuro, Michael Talbot, if you noticed, is one of the most important proponents of the electric theory is also one of the main supporters of the holographic (each bit has the characteristics of the whole) one.

Like I assumed both are not incompatible.


Part 2: If holographic universe theory is correct, then it follows that neither electric universe theory nor black hole theory is correct. Because if the universe is just a holographic projection a black hole or an electric connection is just a projection too...

see Goldie how ridiculous it is to think all can be correct?

[BarnkleBob]

@ Singular....

Current holographic theory has the universe as a measure of consciousness where it flashes into & out of existence at the Plank scale 10 minus 44 (10^44)... 1044 times per second.

From this dualism is created, but the high priests of science inform us that Youngs experiment (dbl slit) requires an observer to manifest matter into our conscious reality, and that lacking an observer, matter returns back into the aether....

This of course comes from the same priesthood that tells us the material world is composed of atoms, yet to this day they cannot tell me or you with any verifiable accuracy how many atoms are contained in the point of a sewing pin or coffee cup... yet we are begged to believe they are correct..

With that said, and if we hypothesize that Youngs experiment is valid, we must turn our line of inquiry to a universal observer. This macro observer that prevents the world of matter from destruction could be claimed to be God, or the Demiurge, or something very different than we can imagine.

Whether its the electric, holograph, string or other various theories, they all rely upon mathematics to describe the material reality, and even worse, mathematics today is very primitive considering the knowledge of the universe to describe a "Big TOE" (Theory of Everthing).

Some friends of mine from another discussion group have been looking into Planks time scale 10^44.... the numbers continuously repeat out over and over and over. It is this repetition of the numbers that the priesthood of science has CLAIMED to be a representation of time on a micro or quantum scale. Or that the holographic universe is flashing into and out of existence like a blinking light bulb on this time scale. Some eastern religions regard the flashing as the "heartbeat" of the universe...

In metaphysics, there is zero (0), within zero every possibility that can, could or ever will exist is contained, while one (1) represents the material world of matter manifest. Returning to Youngs "dbl slit" experiment, there must be at least one observer at the macro scale, while there are many observers at the micro scale. When a person accesses zero, their ideas can be manifested into one (reality)... this is the bases for majick, music, chants, prayers, spells, & rituals. These are attempts to alter the material reality via conscious thoughts & expressions.... Meditation in its various forms is another procedure for accessing the zero (0) with all of its possibilities.... however in all of these systems, the person must be properly timed within the binural beats to gain access.

Failure is very high in the use of consciousness to create or alter material manifestations, thus ancient & contemporary man turned to alchemy & the use of mathematical codes/equations, now chemistry to physically alter the material world of matter. Its simply much easier to alter the physical world with physical forces. Secondly, the alteration occurs usually at the micro scale of the observer & their consciousness.... not on the macro level.

Indeed as you stated, Newtonian physics describing gravity is under full attack and about to fall. Is gravity a particle, a wave, a particle & wave or some other force of nature? Gravity is a perplexing manifested force, we can observe it in operation, we can even measure the force, but it remains unexplainable in modern physics and mathematics. New ideas & concepts are required to further this line of inquiry....

At the base of 10^44 lays the root number 3, the holy trinity of the concept of the three (3) components of the atom, atum, or adam. And once again we observe theological secrets emerging from various holy books of knowledge.

The Plank scale 10^44 does in fact provide some clues as to what/who the ancients believed was the macro observer, in this respect the numbers 3, 9 & 81 provide a significant details. The so called Xian Savior, Jesus/Yeshua/Joshua also reveals scientific knowledge of how a person may by choice INSULATE themselves from the continuous struggles of the physical manifestation of matter, namely the struggles that occur between the proton & the electron, for it is this struggle between these two that creates duality.... the neutron merely acts out its role in providing the equalibrium that manifests as matter. The Jesus figure said "judge not" & "turn the other cheek" etc.... the lowly neutron cannot judge & it must turn the other cheek if the the protons & electrons are to create the equalibrium that manifests the material world.

That Jesus fella, whether real or just a literary creation does offer many, many hidden secrets of antiquity to this reality... after all, the first scientists to probe reality were members of the priestcraft, for they were in ancient times about the only ones that possessed the leisure time to explore existence & natural phenomena...

[singular_me]

yeah, now that you speak of big TOE, I recall last year that somebody recommended me to check out Tom Campell's My big TOE on youtube... have you watched it, would you recommend it too?



@ Singular....

Current holographic theory has the universe as a measure of consciousness where it flashes into & out of existence at the Plank scale 10 minus 44... 1044 times per second.

From this dualism is created, but the high priests of science inform us that Youngs experiment (dbl slit) requires an observer to manifest matter into our conscious reality, and that lacking an observer, matter returns back into the aether....

This of course comes from the same priesthood that tells us the material world is composed of atoms, yet to this day they cannot tell me or you with any verifiable accuracy how many atoms are contained in the point of a sewing pin or coffee cup... yet we are begged to believe they are correct..

With that said, and if we hypothesize that Youngs experiment is valid, we must turn our line of inquiry to a universal observer. This macro observer that prevents the world of matter from destruction could be claimed to be God, or the Demiurge, or something very different than we can imagine.

Whether its the electric, holograph, string or other various theories, they all rely upon mathematics to describe the material reality, and even worse, mathematics today is very primitive considering the knowledge of the universe to describe a "Big TOE" (Theory of Everthing).

Some friends of mine from another discussion group have been looking into Planks time scale 10^44.... the numbers continuously repeat out over and over and over. It is this repetition of the numbers that the priesthood of science has CLAIMED to be a representation of time on a micro or quantum scale. Or that the holographic universe is flashing into and out of existence like a blinking light bulb on this time scale. Some eastern religions regard the flashing as the "heartbeat" of the universe...

In metaphysics, there is zero (0), within zero every possibility that can, could or ever will exist is contained, while one (1) represents the material world of matter manifest. Returning to Youngs "dbl slit" experiment, there must be at least one observer at the macro scale, while there are many observers at the micro scale. When a person accesses zero, their ideas can be manifested into one (reality)... this is the bases for majick, music, chants, prayers, spells, & rituals. These are attempts to alter the material reality via conscious thoughts & expressions.... Meditation in its various forms is another procedure for accessing the zero (0) with all of its possibilities.... however in all of these systems, the person must be properly timed within the binural beats to gain access.

Failure is very high in the use of consciousness to create or alter material manifestations, thus ancient & contemporary man turned to alchemy & the use of mathematical codes/equations, now chemistry to physically alter the material world of matter. Its simply much easier to alter the physical world with physical forces. Secondly, the alteration occurs usually at the micro scale of the observer & their consciousness.... not on the macro level.

Indeed as you stated, Newtonian physics describing gravity is under full attack and about to fall. Is gravity a particle, a wave, a particle & wave or some other force of nature? Gravity is a perplexing manifested force, we can observe it in operation, we can even measure the force, but it remains unexplainable in modern physics and mathematics. New ideas & concepts are required to further this line of inquiry....

At the base of 10^44 lays the root number 3, the holy trinity of the concept of the three (3) components of the atom, atum, or adam. And once again we observe theological secrets emerging from various holy books of knowledge.

The Plank scale 10^44 does in fact provide some clues as to what/who the ancients believed was the macro observer, in this respect the numbers 3, 9 & 81 provide a significant details. The so called Xian Savior, Jesus/Yeshua/Joshua also reveals scientific knowledge of how a person may by choice INSULATE themselves from the continuous struggles of the physical manifestation of matter, namely the struggles that occur between the proton & the electron, for it is this struggle between these two that creates duality.... the neutron merely acts out its role in providing the equalibrium that manifests as matter. The Jesus figure said "judge not" & "turn the other cheek" etc.... the lowly neutron cannot judge & it must turn the other cheek if the the protons & electrons are to create the equalibrium that manifests the material world.

That Jesus fella, whether real or just a literary creation does offer many, many hidden secrets of antiquity to this reality...

[Jewboo]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc96v8bbQA1rp10t9o1_250.jpg

That Jesus fella, whether real or just a literary creation...




:rolleyes:

[BarnkleBob]

Yes, I have watched several vids of Tom Campbell and his "Big TOE" theory.

RichG & I did a blog talk radio interview with him last year.... He is a very good presenter of his theory.... However he is promoting himself as an author & book writer. That said, the interview went well until we began the unscripted questions after his presentation. That didnt go so well for his BIG TOE theory.... We found some big holes in it that couldnt be reconciled by scientific observable facts. However, this may be expected, even anticipated IF & thats a big if, this reality is the illusion of Maya.

This by no means doesnt mean its not worth listening to.... he does present SOME astonding hypothetical conclusions....

[BarnkleBob]

@ Singular.... One of the most interesting things he stated during the interview was that researchers have speculated that electrons are contained in negatively charged "electron clouds." When electrons (negative charge/spin) are required by the protons (positive charge/spin) & neutrons (neutral), they reportedly instanteously manifest from the cloud to complete the circuit that manifests matter, and secondly distance between the proton & electron is of no consequence. They operate as if space & time do not exist @ the quantum level.

[mick silver]

speculate

/ˈspɛkjʊˌleɪt/

verb 1. (when transitive, takes a clause as object) to conjecture without knowing the complete facts

[singular_me]

if there is any theory of everything, looking into quantum models will be key as the more we know the more intuition must take over to deal with the hidden part of the iceberg. Observation can only go so far. Deep zooming into an atom has revealed itself discombobulating since we end up finding only space after a certain point. So we can easily assume that the same will be found when deep zooming into space. As above as below.

what is missing to scientists these days is that their intuition doesnt work anymore. They are stuck in this 3D, but the paradigm is coming to a close.

but I will check out soon a few of his vids.


@ Singular.... One of the most interesting things he stated during the interview was that researchers have speculated that electrons are contained in negatively charged "electron clouds." When electrons (negative charge/spin) are required by the protons (positive charge/spin) & neutrons (neutral), they reportedly instanteously manifest from the cloud to complete the circuit that manifests matter, and secondly distance between the proton & electron is of no consequence. They operate as if space & time do not exist @ the quantum level.

[singular_me]

The act of knowing is like taking a wild card and/or throwing oneself into the fire... it is a 24/7 challenge that implies to accept that one can never know everything.

Many fear this and therefore want dogmas to guide them on rail tracks. The idea that one can be proven wrong at any time is unbearable to many.

because dogmas are the prime cause of this impasse, I have chosen the wild card, that's all there is anyway.

take your parachute and jump, and embrace the illusion of reality. Let this illusion serve you instead of allowing it to rule over your life. Your perception will forever remain a piece of the puzzle.

EDIT: I REMOVED MICKS NAME since he meant in the broad sense


speculate

/ˈspɛkjʊˌleɪt/

verb 1. (when transitive, takes a clause as object) to conjecture without knowing the complete facts

[mick silver]

singyourselfasong singyourselfasong maybe you need to look stuff up before you open your mouth some times try it . It could of been are the best one maybe it was ... it all speculate

[singular_me]

singyourselfasong singyourselfasong maybe you need to look stuff up before you open your mouth some times try it . It could of been are the best one maybe it was ... it all speculate

just a word and its translation like this can be understood both ways... just saying

CORRECTION:
I REMOVED MICKS NAME since he meant in the broad sense

[mick silver]

see you just learn something it can work both ways

[mick silver]

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