Hospitality and Perjury

[palani]

The state of affairs of this duty prior to the time when the entertaining of travellers was converted to commerce.


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[Glass]

I guess this gives rise to the concept of lodgings?

How does carrying ones Bride across the threshold work? I'm curious as to why it is done.


Carrying the Bride: Exactly Why?
As it turns out, weddings in the days of yore sometimes followed kidnappings. This explains not only the role of the best man but also why the bride and groom customarily leave the wedding celebration before everyone else. It's symbolic of the groom stealing away with his bride, whisking her from her family and into a new life with him. The kidnapping theme also explains why grooms carry their brides over the threshold in some cultures. In Medieval Europe (http://maps.howstuffworks.com/maps-of-europe.htm), carrying a bride into her new home prevented her from seeming too enthusiastic about losing her virginity. By picking her up and taking her into their home, the groom provided an alibi for his wife's chastity

[palani]

A lawyer type on another forum pointed out that the hospitality issue was the basis of the 3rd amendment (quartering troops in private homes).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/23/federal-court-rejects-third-amendment-claim-against-police-officers/


Here are the key passages from the opinion:

In the present case, various officers of the HPD and NLVPD entered into and occupied Linda’s and Michael’s home for an unspecified amount of time (seemingly nine hours), but certainly for less than twenty-four hours. The relevant questions are thus whether municipal police should be considered soldiers, and whether the time they spent in the house could be considered quartering. To both questions, the answer must be no.

I hold that a municipal police officer is not a soldier for purposes of the Third Amendment. This squares with the purpose of the Third Amendment because this was not a military intrusion into a private home, and thus the intrusion is more effectively protected by the Fourth Amendment. Because I hold that municipal officers are not soldiers for the purposes of this question, I need not reach the question of whether the occupation at issue in this case constitutes quartering, though I suspect it would not.

This reasoning is very plausible and quite possibly correct. But it may too readily conclude that “municipal police” can never be considered soldiers for purposes of the Amendment.

[palani]

The hospitality issue is the root cause of the Muslim immigration topic. All this rhetoric is intended to whip you into a political frenzy and seems to be working. The solution is to have each Muslim either coming into the country, born here or converted, to sign a statement that he/she intends no injury to anyone while 'in country' under penalty of perjury in front of a magistrate. Then let 'em in according to general rules of immigration. If and when they violate their statement Hormel might be contracted to dispose of their remains in pigs skin.

[Glass]

yes here we have those types of things for immigrants. While it seems strange that you would need some "special" arrangement just for them, I can see that for a short time they would be guests but after some other amount of time would be considered tennants. For no other reason that duration of stay.

We deport anyone on a visa, residency, tourist or business who commits a crime here. They generally leave after serving any penalty here. Then we take them back over the threshold, give a swift kick in the pants, sayonara.

There was an visa overstay raid a couple doors down a week or so ago. I missed it but it seems a lot of municipal police officers showed up with some border force officers and a few suits. Good news I hope, prostitution and drug dealing being a problem.