Trump rally Michigan

[EE_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFzo3dYiZ-I#t=2180

[mick silver]

I didn't know they have Republicans there

[EE_]

I didn't know they have Republicans there

The one's out of work became republicans? Trump = Jobs

They threw out at least 5 liberal protesters so far

[EE_]

lots of protesters at this rally

[mick silver]

I didn't know they have Republicans there

[Cebu_4_2]

Bush won hands down, there is no way Trump can compete.

[Horn]

Oh my gosh, when the U.S. starts paying 40% on import tax from chinese and mexican imports.

My estimation is The manufacturing will still stay in China and Mexico at 80% less and people in the U.S. will be only then remain 1 step on the pyramid higher than Chinese and Mexicans.

Not taxing anything made on U.S. soil could have different results.

[cheka.]

Oh my gosh, when the U.S. starts paying 40% on import tax from chinese and mexican imports.

My estimation is The manufacturing will still stay in China and Mexico at 80% less and people in the U.S. will be only then remain 1 step on the pyramid higher than Chinese and Mexicans.

Not taxing anything made on U.S. soil could have different results.

is he still pushing for import tariffs?! if so, that is EXACTLY what we need. the deck is stacked against US businesses....in their own frikkin market! tariff everything that comes across the dock. reduce income tax on wages to offset the massive surge in tariff revenue into dc

this system is what made america BOOM. then in 1913 the pigmen got the bank...and the income tax. they flipped everything upside down -- tariffs gone, income tax replacing that lost revenue. free trade = pro income tax = pigmen own your ass

no wonder THEY hate him

[Horn]

They have 35-40% tariff on everything here, they still cannot compete with China or India unless becoming Chinese or Indian or thru government subsidy. It does help on ready made or perishables to keep them in borders.

Granted its raw material based and the U.S. has those, but U.S. needs to deregulate those raw materials firstly and also not tax any of its own domestic production firstly .

An immediate 35-40% increase on imports would shellshock the American economy, maybe he's exaggerating it for the show. 10-15% would be reasonably high at most, and the east and mexico would still be a powerhouse at that rate.

Getting anything like it thru congress would be his nightmare.

[cheka.]

going through a 30 year old history book this morning....found an interesting table

from 1830 to 1900 (the no central bank years) US share of global manufacturing went up ~10 times -- from 2.4 percent to 23.6 percent

that was the tariff years....and not taxes on wages

[Horn]

If you take Trump's hypothetical manufacturing dilemma at face value, where he goes to Ford and tells them to build american or else, the answer from Ford would most likely be go ahead and try to do the or else. They aren't going to just relocate back to U.S. on the threat of a tariff.

I'm not saying tariff's aren't a way to operate, just that there'd be a world of pain before any "great america" arrived thru tariff. Trump's entire 8 year term would most likely be drowned in economic pain adjustment to tariffs. Many export countries would have to rethink their entire operation and would not just go back to doing business normally if tariff is dropped. The best way to compete with slave nations is just not to buy or do business with them.

[cheka.]

tariff or continue to get ass raped by nyc/dc imo

domestic producer pays social security tax, foreign does not

domestic producer pays income tax, foreign not

domestic producer must deal with epa/state boys, foreign does not

domestic producer must pay real estate taxes, foreign does not

domestic producer must pay/deal with osha and the state boys, foreign does not

domestic producer pays sales tax on supplies, foreign does not

domestic producers/people are paying for the ports, roads, rails, airports other infra through the myriad of taxes, fees, etc

to allow foreign competition into our gigantic markets without charging admission is absurd (for those of us not in nyc/dc). with all of these fees, plus the wage arbitrage, it's inevitable that our manufacturing will continue to lose share to rest of world

nyc/dc has sold us down the river using their constant 'free trade' screeches from their totally controlled media/academia

note that tariff is NEVER mentioned as solution.....until trump started kicking the tires a little