150 Militia Take Over Makhuer National Wildlife Preserve Headquarters

[Jerrylynnb]

I am wondering what was the justification for stopping that crew-cab (driven by Lavoy Finicum) in the first place. Was it being driven recklessly? Was there a warrant out and the police had reason to believe one of the occupants was named in the warrant? Can ordinary motorists be expected to be stopped (pulled over) for no good reason?

The driver, and the passengers, could see they had come upon a trap, set by impostor lawmen (not the local sheriff), and they were being accosted as if one or more occupants in the vehicle were dangerous felons.

I am waiting for someone representing the folks in that vehicle to demand an absolute rational for stopping that vehicle in the first place. For setting up a roadblock, as if a dangerous criminal had escaped a local prison and they were conducting a manhunt. Without that, this should have been viewed as a normal collection of blameless americans heading to some destination on the Oregon highways. Is it no longer safe to go from here to there in a car anymore?

I can imagine how frustrating it was to the driver to see that these outsiders had set up a trap, and had pulled him over FOR NO GOOD REASON. It was obvious to him that these were little more than road bandits, and, absent their local sheriff to provide any legality to this roadblock, he panicked and speed off. I can't bring myself to criticize that action under those circumstances. Why couldn't those jerks have simply had the sheriff there to confront the inhabitants in that vehicle with whatever rational he had to require them to stop and exit the vehicle?

Based on what is being offered up for public viewing, so far, this was out-and-out premeditated murder. The feds will never allow an honest and impartial investigation as to THIER conduct and their guilt in this needless murder of a law-abiding man.

What was the legal basis for interrupting Lavoy Finicum as he went peacefully on his way over the Oregon highways?

[Jewboo]

Oh, and fwiw note that the donut munchers are ALL gong ho AND ORGANIZE to EXPAND the use of violence, YET when it comes down to the blatant use of deadly force/destruction of private property when DEFINITELY NOT appropriate by any of their associates NOT ONE OF THEM UTTERS A SINGLE WORD OF DISAPPROVAL, much less organizes a group to express disapproval of the clearly inappropriate use of deadly force/destruction of private property. But organize and SUE for the 'right' to mete out beatdowns - NO problem!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c8/f6/f3/c8f6f325b9d68e7c79f5e5f3bd9af303.jpg https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/11848902_1631376660420376_1509708735_n.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/43/cf/4c/43cf4c44b2f0850fa99585938b0d17ac.jpg


Another one of Midnight Rambler's many rants to incite from May 2014.

:rolleyes:

[Jewboo]

I am wondering what was the justification for stopping that crew-cab (driven by Lavoy Finicum) in the first place. Was it being driven recklessly? Was there a warrant out and the police had reason to believe one of the occupants was named in the warrant? Can ordinary motorists be expected to be stopped (pulled over) for no good reason?



BURNS, OR (KPTV) - Ammon Bundy, the leader of an armed group that has occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge since Jan. 2, was taken into police custody in a confrontation with law enforcement that left one person dead. The FBI and Oregon State Police began an enforcement operation at 4:25 p.m. Tuesday on Highway 395 that led to shots fired and the arrests of multiple people involved in the weeks-long standoff.

Investigators did not immediately reveal who shot first, but police said one person who had a federal probable cause arrest warrant was killed. That person has not been identified by police, however CNN, citing a law enforcement official, reported that the person killed was LaVoy Finicum (http://www.kptv.com/story/31065962/militia-spokesman-lavoy-finicum-killed-during-confrontation-with-fbi-police). Finicum had acted as a spokesman for the group during press conferences, once telling the FBI to (http://www.kptv.com/story/30977923/armed-occupiers-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge-we-would-like-to-ask-the-fbi-to-go-home), "quit acting as militia and stirring up fear." Another person was taken to the hospital with injuries described as non-life threatening. No officers were injured.

Police said seven people were arrested and face felony federal charges of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats, in violation of Title 18, United State Code, Section 372. They were identified Tuesday as Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho; Ryan C. Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Shawna Cox, 59, of Kanab, Utah; Ryan Waylen Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana; Joseph Donald O'Shaughnessy, 45, of Cottonwood, Arizona.

http://www.kptv.com/story/31064909/report-ammon-bundy-other-armed-occupiers-of-wildlife-refuge-in-police-custody

[Jewboo]

What you wrote here smacks of the progressive invalidation tactics used by the metro progressive cunts out there. I expected better from you



Joshua01 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/member.php?22775-Joshua01)
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Join Date - Jan 2016
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:rolleyes:


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Joshua /ˈdʒɒʃuə/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) or Jehoshua (Hebrew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Yĕhôshúʿa or Hebrew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): יֵשׁוּעַ Yĕshúʿa; Aramaic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language): ܝܫܘܥ‎ Isho; Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): Ἰησοῦς, Arabic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): يوشع بن نون‎ Yūshaʿ ibn Nūn; Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): Iosue, Turkish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language): Yuşa), is a figure in the Torah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah), being one of the spies for Israel (Num 13–14) and identified in several passages as Moses' assistant.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua#cite_note-3) He is the central figure in the Hebrew Bible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible)'s Book of Joshua (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joshua). According to the books of Exodus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus), Numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Numbers) and Joshua (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joshua), he became the leader of the Israelite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelite) tribes after the death of Moses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses). His name was Hoshe'a (הוֹשֵׁעַ) the son of Nun (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0)), of the tribe of Ephraim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Ephraim), but Moses called him Yehoshu'a (יְהוֹשֻעַ; Joshua in English) (Numbers 13:16 (http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/?book=Numbers&verse=13:16&src=ESV)) the name by which he is commonly known. The name is shortened to Yeshua in Nehemiah (Nehemiah 8:17 (http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/?book=Nehemiah&verse=8:17&src=JPR)). According to the Bible he was born in Egypt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) prior to the Exodus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua#cite_note-oca-2)

He was one of the twelve spies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Spies) of Israel sent by Moses to explore the land of Canaan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan). (Numbers 13:1-16 (http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/?book=Numbers&verse=13:1-16&src=ESV)) After the death of Moses, he led the Israelite tribes in the conquest of Canaan, and allocated the land to the tribes. According to Biblical chronology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_Bible), Joshua lived between 1355-1245 BCE,[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua#cite_note-4) or sometime in the late Bronze Age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age). According to Joshua 24:29 (http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/?book=Joshua&verse=24:29&src=ESV), Joshua died at the age of 110. Joshua also holds a position of respect among Muslims. According to Islamic tradition, he was, along with Caleb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb), one of the two believing spies whom Moses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses) had sent to spy the land of Canaan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua#cite_note-cite_quran.7C5.7C22.7Cs.3Dns.7Ce.3D23-5) All Muslims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) also see Joshua as the leader of the Israelites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites), following the death of Moses. Some Muslims also believe Joshua to be the "attendant" of Moses mentioned in the Qur’ān (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%E2%80%99%C4%81n), before Moses meets Khidr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr) and some believe that he is a prophet.


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[Shami-Amourae]

A coward shot him in the back.



How do you know what was going through his mind?? Are you psychic??


Found a /pol/ thread.


http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/62410139

[Neuro]

So Book, kindly clear up your relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center...are you paid staff, do you make cash contributions, or do you merely volunteer your time posting on the net?
This is beyond ridiculous!

[Shami-Amourae]

http://s17.postimg.org/x4xzs1trz/12646788_10208852597294923_4639975581955744454_o.j pg


Note, this picture doesn't mean he doesn't have a backup pistol under his jacket. Many people have backup pistols.

[Shami-Amourae]

So Book, kindly clear up your relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center...are you paid staff, do you make cash contributions, or do you merely volunteer your time posting on the net?

You have to be Jewish to work for them.

:(

[Shami-Amourae]

Woods guy saw fit to actually run up to him and shoot him in the back with a rifle while he was stumbling to maintain his balance
Clearly murdered at close range.
Cop in front was maintaing 45 degree positioning so killer's shot from behind wouldn't penetrate and hit him.
You can see the accomplices hiding behind their vehicles, sort of running for cover before the executioner takes his shot
This was coordinated, no doubt premeditated.
If they flash grenaded the truck, I'm sure it was to provoke the others into fighting or maybe kill them where they sat.

Regardless if he was reaching for a gun, or not doesn't matter. If he APPEARS to be reaching for a gun the cops will shoot. It looks like the cops thought he was reaching for a gun and took the shot before he supposedly could get one shot off. The guy who shot him from behind probably is a hero in the government circles now.

[Shami-Amourae]

In Book's mind his heroes the state actors can do no wrong, you'll be getting no admissions of wrongdoing by state actors from Book.


There's a time to fight and a time to hide.

These guys fought when they had no support, so the ending was tragedy.


The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.


Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on with their own legends.


If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.



Me and Jewboo want freedom as much as you do. We just understand STRATEGY, and not throwing yourself out to be the lone hero like in the movies and video games. I get it, you're in love with a Romantic notion of saving the day with Muh Guns. That's how you get killed and remembered as a failure. It's also how you GIVE the government credibility.

If most of the militia people in the US don't support these guys, it's obvious they were doomed from the start. They literally supported a group that DIDN'T want them. Even the Oregon militia wanted nothing to do with this.

[Ares]

There's a time to fight and a time to hide.

These guys fought when they had no support, so the ending was tragedy.


The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.


Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on for their own legends.


If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.

Establishing and maintaining the moral high ground is key if we are to advance liberty. Even if that comes to armed defense, it should always be in defense not provocation.

[Joshua01]

http://s17.postimg.org/x4xzs1trz/12646788_10208852597294923_4639975581955744454_o.j pg


Note, this picture doesn't mean he doesn't have a backup pistol under his jacket. Many people have backup pistols.

Usually on the side of their shooting hand. I believe that's the point being made here

[Shami-Amourae]

Establishing and maintaining the moral high ground is key if we are to advance liberty. Even if that comes to armed defense, it should always be in defense not provocation.


If you operate against an enemy who breaks all the rules, while you follow all the rules you'll always lose.

When the revolutionary war was fought the Red coats all marched out in lines and formations. American patriots were like "fuck that", and they hid in trees and shit and picked them off. People who follow the "rules" and "morality" usually are the losers.


If you want to win, you have to get the public on your side. You have to win the hearts and minds.

The original Bundy ranch was successful since it won the hearts and minds of people. People waved American flags, and there's was a pro-Bundy narrative even on Fox News. Militia men came around from the entire country.

The Oregon standoff didn't win the hearts and minds. Everything that happened fell into the "Muh Evil White Christians with Guns" narrative. It turned most of the people in the country against them. This is a huge victory for the Left/Jews. It undid EVERYTHING that the Nevada Bundy ranch standoff set in place. No one even knows the names of the people they were defending. Everyone only knows the name "Bundy".


It doesn't matter if you're in the right. If you're dead, you're fucking dead.

[Shami-Amourae]

Where is the video from the helmet cams/body cams??

You KNOW that video exists. Why not show that video...unless of course there's something to hide. (Duh.)


Feds usually don't wear that stuff. That's just for normal cops not involved in a Federal standoff/manhunt.

[Jewboo]

The original Bundy standoff was successful since it had a lot of moral grounds and support.

Now everything that was fought for at the Bundy ranch in Nevada will be undone since these guys have a hard-on with their own legends.

If you're going to go up against the Feds by yourself, you're a fucking idiot, you'll be remembered for being an idiot, and you'll be shot down in a pool of your own blood.

Me and Jewboo want freedom as much as you do. We just understand STRATEGY, and not throwing yourself out to be the lone hero like in the movies and video games. I get it, you're in love with a Romantic notion of saving the day with Muh Guns. That's how you get killed and remembered as a failure. It's also how you GIVE the government credibility.

If most of the militia people in the US don't support these guys, it's obvious they were doomed from the start. They literally supported a group that DIDN'T want them. Even the Oregon militia wanted nothing to do with this.



http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1900547.1408532229!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg

Exactly. After this idiocy the wives of decent 3 Percenters and Oath Keepers are now telling their husbands to take off their camo costumes and sell their AR-15s. This stunt just destroyed both organizations...

:rolleyes:

[Shami-Amourae]

Exactly. After this idiocy the wives of decent 3 Percenters and Oath Keepers are now telling their husbands to take off their camo costumes and sell their AR-15s. This stunt just destroyed both organizations...

:rolleyes:


I hope not. But you may be right.


The Idaho 3% has been a great first line of defense here in Idaho against the rapefugees and other threats. Now their name is tarnished and they will justifiably so be taken down by the Feds since of their "morality". I just hope they can recover from this and keep going on since I like the Idaho 3% a lot.

This is why it's important to think strategically, rather than "doing the right thing for the moral high ground".

We're not in movie or video game. In reality the "moral high ground" is a losing strategy.

[Shami-Amourae]

✓ At the Bundy ranch in Nevada the government attacked the ranchers/reporters.

X At the Oregon standoff an out-of-state militia attacked the government.


Why is this so complicated?

[Jewboo]

✓ At the Bundy ranch in Nevada the government attacked the ranchers/reporters.

X At the Oregon standoff an out-of-state militia attacked the government.


Why is this so complicated?

3 Percenters and the Oath Keepers judged it the same way and kept out of it.

:(??

[midnight rambler]

Feds usually don't wear that stuff. That's just for normal cops not involved in a Federal standoff/manhunt.

How do you know that for sure??

[midnight rambler]

I am wondering what was the justification for stopping that crew-cab (driven by Lavoy Finicum) in the first place. Was it being driven recklessly? Was there a warrant out and the police had reason to believe one of the occupants was named in the warrant? Can ordinary motorists be expected to be stopped (pulled over) for no good reason?

The driver, and the passengers, could see they had come upon a trap, set by impostor lawmen (not the local sheriff), and they were being accosted as if one or more occupants in the vehicle were dangerous felons.

I am waiting for someone representing the folks in that vehicle to demand an absolute rational for stopping that vehicle in the first place. For setting up a roadblock, as if a dangerous criminal had escaped a local prison and they were conducting a manhunt. Without that, this should have been viewed as a normal collection of blameless americans heading to some destination on the Oregon highways. Is it no longer safe to go from here to there in a car anymore?

I can imagine how frustrating it was to the driver to see that these outsiders had set up a trap, and had pulled him over FOR NO GOOD REASON. It was obvious to him that these were little more than road bandits, and, absent their local sheriff to provide any legality to this roadblock, he panicked and speed off. I can't bring myself to criticize that action under those circumstances. Why couldn't those jerks have simply had the sheriff there to confront the inhabitants in that vehicle with whatever rational he had to require them to stop and exit the vehicle?

Based on what is being offered up for public viewing, so far, this was out-and-out premeditated murder. The feds will never allow an honest and impartial investigation as to THIER conduct and their guilt in this needless murder of a law-abiding man.

What was the legal basis for interrupting Lavoy Finicum as he went peacefully on his way over the Oregon highways?

'Lying in wait' aka coup de main aka dry-gulching is what lawless highwaymen do.

http://thelawdictionary.org/lying-in-wait/

[midnight rambler]

Book has too much time on his hands. Must be a pretty sweet paycheck that the SPLC drops in Book's bank account.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD8mzZun5wo


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c8/f6/f3/c8f6f325b9d68e7c79f5e5f3bd9af303.jpg https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/11848902_1631376660420376_1509708735_n.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/43/cf/4c/43cf4c44b2f0850fa99585938b0d17ac.jpg


Another one of Midnight Rambler's many rants to incite from May 2014.

:rolleyes:

[madfranks]

Excellent points being made and discussed in this thread. I really wish more people could see this.

[Shami-Amourae]

Book has too much time on his hands. Must be a pretty sweet paycheck that the SPLC drops in Book's bank account.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD8mzZun5wo


He's retired on Social Security.

You're being ridiculous.

[midnight rambler]

Me and Jewboo want freedom as much as you do.

Highly unlikely. Both you and Book are good little obedient and compliant corporate slaves, your FAITH lies in THE STATE*. lol


We just understand STRATEGY

Like I don't. lol It's apparent you're both clueless dumbshits (both of you being unwavering and unquestioningly obedient and compliant to your jooish corporate masters). lol

*either God is God or man is god, it's a daily choice

Choose this day whom ye shall serve. --Joshua 24:15

[midnight rambler]

He's retired on Social Security.

You're being ridiculous.

SWEET!!! Entitlements AND a SPLC paycheck!!

And I'm the one being ridiculous. lol

[midnight rambler]

'Lying in wait' aka coup de main aka dry-gulching is what lawless highwaymen do.

http://thelawdictionary.org/lying-in-wait/


Back on track.

[Shami-Amourae]

How do you know that for sure??

Because there's never been any evidence for it and they don't want to incriminate themselves.


Regular cops hate the cameras since it forces them to follow the law.

[midnight rambler]

Because there's never been any evidence for it and they don't want to incriminate themselves.


Regular cops hate the cameras since it forces them to follow the law.

So you don't know for sure. Got it.

[Shami-Amourae]

SWEET!!! Entitlements AND a SPLC paycheck!!

And I'm the one being ridiculous. lol

Transfer payments will always exist in a world with automation and technology.

It's better he get it than some nigger.

[Shami-Amourae]

So you don't know for sure. Got it.


No but it's unlikely.

[midnight rambler]

Transfer payments will always exist in a world with automation and technology.

It's better he get it than some nigger.

Apparently you don't get it - if someone is on the .gov teat then THEY ARE a nigger.

[Jerrylynnb]

Jewboo, I have not heard of a "federal probably cause arrest warrant" before. What is that? What I learned growing up (watching Perry Mason - ok, me and 100 million other americans got our legal education from ole Perry) was that a judge has to hear the rational from the sheriff (or one of his deputies), or, an official with the township police, as to the primae facae case against the target.
This is called a "warrant". But the phrase, "federal probable cause arrest warrant", it suggests to me that this is something less than an honest to goodness warrant (requiring evidence of a primae facae nature), and, I wonder does it even require review, agreement, and a signature by their county judge. Or does it merely need to be signed by a supervisor with the FBI or some official with whatever Fed group comes in guns-a-blazing?

This goes back to the original americans, fresh from winning freedom from a King of England who didn't feel like he needed to follow any rules at all, and, these victorious americans demanded a Bill of Rights, where they spelled out what it takes for anyone with the law to actually seek out someone and take them captive or search their person or property. I suspect that most of us americans still feel that way, and, it is looking like, in this case, we reverted back to King George's attitude that he, and his men, can just do as they please with all his subjects.

I'm waiting for this "federal probable cause arrest warrant" to be fully highlighted, explored, and thoroughly dissected to make sure they were following our most fundamental right (spelled out in the Bill of Rights) to free passage, absent a case having been made before a judge with jurisdiction that was sufficient to convict absent any defense ("primae facae").

I wonder if we'll ever get a thorough exposition of this "federal probable cause arrest warrant" (so-called).

And, what's more, how did these Feds figure out that the Sheriff (or his deputies) didn't need to be the one to serve this 'whatever it was' kind of a warrant?

Lets keep in mind that the mainstream news, along with practically every governmental body, is going to try to sweep the finer details here under the rug - just spit out some high-fluttin' sounding bullshit like "federal probable cause arrest warrant" and then stop listening to anybody's further questioning.

Such as, when was this special kind of warrant prepared and presented before which judge? (date and time and court).
What was the evidence and was it sufficient to convict absent a defense?
What crime was the subject charged with?
Was the subject informed, at any time, that he was being stopped so as to serve him with this 'who knows what kind of' warrant? Aren't all of us, even those who seem to be anti-government at times, awarded these procedures before resorting to deadly force?

The wording around this "warrant" (the word "probable") sounds a lot like they only had suspicions - not evidence, and, the've ginned up some King-George-like crap to get around what we demanded in the Bill of Rights. They were SUSPICIOUS of Finicum, or, maybe even, they just didn't like him because he wouldn't sit by and let some politician's son make out like a champ making special real estate deals against public lands. So they claim they had this non-warrant warrant and we just better shut up about it.

In any event, the overwhelmingly use of massive deadly force against folks who probably never were considered to be criminals, or anything near to it (by their own locals, who count as "peers"), is enough to cut deep into the hearts of most americans.

They think we are idiot children-like *subjects* that dare not question them when they get high on their horse and trumpet pronouncements. They got the guns - what we got?

This is wanton banditry - like Pancho Villa bothering to write up a quickie death warrant just before shooting someone dead as a doorknob.

[Jewboo]

Excellent points being made and discussed in this thread. I really wish more people could see this.



Not every day we get to watch hi res zoomed video of what actually happened. What a time to be alive.

Like it or hate it Youtube Video changed our world forever...

[midnight rambler]

Apparently you don't get it - if someone is on the .gov teat then THEY ARE a nigger.

They're so tough
They like to make us feel little
They like to make us feel small
And keep us down
'Til we feel no good at all
Then they tell us that we're stupid
That we got no sense at all
They'll ke away the spark
Keep us in the dark
Make us feel we have no vision at all
CHORUS
No, no, no, I don't believe it has to be this way
No, I don't believe it has to be this way
Then they tell us to be patient
That our time will come
But I've stood outside their doors
And walked their floors
And I ain't gonna do it again
They'd like to make me their nigger
I say to hell with them
I'm not gettin' down on my knees
And beggin' please
Can you throw me a crumb now and then
CHORUS
I can't really speak for you
And I don't know about them
They must be out of their minds
Can't read between the lines
They can stick it where the sun don't shine
CHORUS
They're so tough
They are so tough


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH_1846W36k

[Shami-Amourae]

Apparently you don't get it - if someone is on the .gov teat then THEY ARE a nigger.


No not really.

It just means they aren't the bitch.

You either are signing your checks on the front, or on the back.

The ones who sign on the front are the chumps.

I'm a chump BTW.

[midnight rambler]

we get to watch hi res zoomed video of what actually happened.

Yeah, right.

"It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true." --Henry Kissinger

[Shami-Amourae]

Yeah, right.

"It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true." --Henry Kissinger

He's right you know.

[midnight rambler]

He's right you know.

Are you referring to Dr. Evil and his quote I cited?

[Shami-Amourae]

Are you referring to Dr. Evil and his quote I cited?


Yes.

[JohnQPublic]

...I have not heard of a "federal probably cause arrest warrant" before...

It sounds like to me that these guys are federal officers, and believed they had probable cause, and thus they have an implicit "probable cause" warrant (i.e., the federal courts always have supported them in these cases, and thus they can expect support in the near future) to do what they deem proper. Those words caught my attention too, but now that you question it, it sounds like wordplay.

[Joshua01]

It sounds like to me that these guys are federal officers, and believed they had probable cause, and thus they have an implicit "probable cause" warrant (i.e., the federal courts always have supported them in these cases, and thus they can expect support in the near future) to do what they deem proper. Those words caught my attention too, but now that you question it, it sounds like wordplay.

So that means they have a license to 'probable cause' the shit out of anyone at any time !

[Jewboo]

Jewboo, I have not heard of a "federal probably cause arrest warrant" before. What is that? What I learned growing up (watching Perry Mason - ok, me and 100 million other americans got our legal education from ole Perry) was that a judge has to hear the rational from the sheriff (or one of his deputies), or, an official with the township police, as to the primae facae case against the target. This is called a "warrant". But the phrase, "federal probable cause arrest warrant", it suggests to me that this is something less than an honest to goodness warrant (requiring evidence of a primae facae nature), and, I wonder does it even require review, agreement, and a signature by their county judge. Or does it merely need to be signed by a supervisor with the FBI or some official with whatever Fed group comes in guns-a-blazing?...



http://media.cleveland.com/tv_blog/photo/griffithjpg-b93c5082ed3c38e1.jpg


I'm a few years younger than you JL and we are both geezers on Social Security Retirement. 2016 is nothing like what we were taught to believe. Where to begin? Federal Reserve isn't federal and has no reserves. USA drones murder people from the sky without trial. IRS can instantly freeze our bank account on a whim. No limits on anonymous Congressional "contributions" according to the Supreme Court. Federal Debt Limit automatically raised now. Nobody voted for this. None of this is Constitutional and yet this is our Reality now.




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/TeaPartyByFreedomFan.JPG


Lobbyists literally write the legislation and our so-called "elected representatives" admit to not even being able to read them before signing. Only naive people still believe there is a Constitution and the Rule Of Law. I finally stopped being naive only a couple of years ago.

My takeaway from this Oregon thingie is that the FBI is even more capable then I imagined. Helicopters with zoom video cameras. Listening to every word spoken on cell phones. Must have been at least a hundred agents planning and manning that Oregon road trap. They even provided us public with a Youtube movie of how it went down.

Lesson learned: When a cop points a gun at you do exactly what they say. They have radios. They have backup. They can use a Drone and bomb you from the sky if need be.

The two Bundy boys peacefully surrendered, did not resist arrest, and are now sipping coffee with their lawyers...


:(??

[Cebu_4_2]

Why did he get out of the truck?

[Jewboo]

http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/bundy-brothers.jpg
Didn't resist arrest...now sipping coffee with their lawyers

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2510685.1453869424!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/ranching-standoff.jpg
Sped away from same traffic stop then crashed into roadblock...now dead

:rolleyes:

[JohnQPublic]

http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/bundy-brothers.jpg
Didn't resist arrest...now sipping coffee with their lawyers

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2510685.1453869424!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/ranching-standoff.jpg
Sped away from same traffic stop then crashed into roadblock...now dead

:rolleyes:





http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813404&viewfull=1#post813404

:rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:

[palani]

Helicopters with zoom video cameras.

What evidence do you have that a helicopter took the images and videos shown?

Are you sure that those images did not come from a satellite 150 miles above the surface of the earth?

[Shami-Amourae]

What evidence do you have that a helicopter took the images and videos shown?

Are you sure that those images did not come from a satellite 150 miles above the surface of the earth?

That's possible, but it was implied. ImmaCanin said she black helicopters flying over her home, which is near where it happened.

[Shami-Amourae]

It does look more and more like Finicum was murdered.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXBITTC4fw

[Joshua01]

It does look more and more like Finicum was murdered.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXBITTC4fw

I never underestimate the ability of the government to lie then prove it.

Edit: if you look closely the zoomed in video clearly shows this guy was shot in the back

[Ares]

It does look more and more like Finicum was murdered.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXBITTC4fw

That's what the video looked like to me. I slowed it down, zoomed it in, and went back and forward with it. It does look like he's holding his side so I really do think he was holding his side due to a bullet wound. The autopsy report will say for sure.

[Joshua01]

That's what the video looked like to me. I slowed it down, zoomed it in, and went back and forward with it. It does look like he's holding his side so I really do think he was holding his side due to a bullet wound. The autopsy report will say for sure.

You actually expect the autopsy to be in disagreement with the official story?

[Ares]

You actually expect the autopsy to be in disagreement with the official story?

I don't have high hopes, I'm just hoping they'll record the bullet wounds. Since they were obviously the cause of death, I can hope they'll at least document them. :)

[midnight rambler]

Statement from LaVoy Finicum family -

http://rense.com/general96/FinicumFamilyStatement.pdf

[Ares]

Burns Oregon-- Former Police Officer says LaVoy Finicum murdered!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbxmaWQj2A

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbxmaWQj2A

[Cebu_4_2]

I no longer have time to diasect anything, am holding trust in you.

[Hitch]

Because there's never been any evidence for it and they don't want to incriminate themselves.


Regular cops hate the cameras since it forces them to follow the law.

Sorry to interrupt...cops love cameras actually. Cameras force the public to follow the law, actually. It keeps the public honest. You wouldn't believe the false accusations against cops. Unlawful accusations. Cameras keep things honest, they keep people from abusing and lying against cops.

But, if the media wants everyone to believe that cameras protect the public from cops, that's all good too. Believe what you want, or what you are told...lol. As long as the truth is clear, I'm all for it.

[Shami-Amourae]

Sorry to interrupt...cops love cameras actually. Cameras force the public to follow the law, actually. It keeps the public honest. You wouldn't believe the false accusations against cops. Unlawful accusations. Cameras keep things honest, they keep people from abusing and lying against cops.

But, if the media wants everyone to believe that cameras protect the public from cops, that's all good too. Believe what you want, or what you are told...lol. As long as the truth is clear, I'm all for it.

Chicago police are destroying their own dashboard cameras
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10859288/chicago-police-sabotage-dashboard-body-cameras

[Hitch]

Chicago police are destroying their own dashboard cameras
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10859288/chicago-police-sabotage-dashboard-body-cameras

Well, Chicago police doesn't represent all police, or even a fraction of it. From the top down, Chicago is a complete mess.

All I know is every cop I know, or knew, is slammed with false accusations from bullshit, from complete turds in society....cameras are a godsend. Record it all. The more cameras that come out, the more BS you'll see that cops have to put up with.

[Jewboo]

http://www.tvoinews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Brandon_curtis.jpg


Idaho Three Percent president Brandon Curtiss was in Burns Friday. He says the group stands up for people's rights and told us KTVB he's in town to support the community. However, he says he doesn't support the takeover of the refuge, and wants it to end.

"We don't condone the taking of the refuge building at all from the start,” said Curtiss. “And you know I understand and I support the message Ammon Bundy was trying to put out and it's an important message that people need to learn, but with Ammon Bundy being arrested and all the other occupiers I think it's time for them to go home as well."

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/2016/01/29/residents-frustrated-ongoing-occupation/79541398/



(http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/2016/01/29/residents-frustrated-ongoing-occupation/79541398/)


:rolleyes:

[midnight rambler]

Where's the OTHER video(s)??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf921f5C8qU&amp;feature=youtu.be

[midnight rambler]

Stabilized video of LaVoy's murder -

https://gfycat.com/SourFaroffArawana

[Jewboo]

Stabilized video of LaVoy's murder -

https://gfycat.com/SourFaroffArawana


Twice reached for something with his right hand while stumbling around after hopping out of the vehicle.

[midnight rambler]

Twice reached for something with his right hand while stumbling around after hopping out of the vehicle.

Gawddam! You're fucking psychic!!!

[Bigjon]

Twice reached for something with his right hand while stumbling around after hopping out of the vehicle.

You would be stumbling too, when shot on the left side of your body.

I don't really know what happened, but then without a recording that included sound it is hard to tell what really happened.

[Ares]

OFFICIAL CALL TO ACTION

Update: January 29, 2016

In light of the events that have taken place in Harney County, Oregon over the last two days, the official Pacific Patriots Network statement is as follows:

PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff's Department along with the FBI in the shooting death of Mr. Lavoy Finicum.

PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff's Department along with the FBI in the execution of arrests associated with the people at the Malhuer National Wildlife Refuge occupation.

PPN condemns the DISHONEST tactics used to arrest Jason Patrick on January 28th. Mr. Patrick's safety, well being and emotional state were compromised when the FBI lied not only to Mr. Patrick but to PPN representatives trying to assist with the PEACEFUL removal of people at the MNWR. The FBI stated to Mr. Patrick and the PPN that he was “free to go.” Mr. Patrick walked 7 miles in sub freezing temperatures only to be arrested at the checkpoint north of the Narrows.

PPN condemns the false statements given to the public by the FBI, Harney County Sheriff's Department and the Harney County officials.
IN RESPONSE TO THESE EVENTS, PACIFIC PATRIOTS NETWORK
IS ISSUING A
CALL TO ACTION

Calling on any and all Americans to come to Burns, Oregon to come to the aid of the American people standing against these violent, malicious and deceitful tactics. Come stand together with other Americans, and express our Constitutional right to PEACEFULLY assemble and air our grievances.

This operation will demand the following:

- Immediate detention by Oregon State Police of the FBI special agent in charge along with all agents and LEO involved in the shooting death of Lavoy Finicum. A first hand eyewitness account presents reasonable cause for arrest while the investigation takes place.

- Immediate removal of all militarized FBI personnel and equipment from Harney County. All State and County Law Enforcement officers are not included and requested to stay and assist in the process to keep the peace.

- Immediate resignation of Judge Steve Grasty, Sheriff David Ward, County commissioner Pete Runnels, and County commissioner Dan Nichols.

In order to successfully accomplish our mission, we will need any and all Americans to PEACEFULLY assemble within Burns, Oregon immediately. The success of this mission depends fully on the number of people that will come to PEACEFULLY stand and demand the items above be initiated.

A letter of intent will be legally served on the FBI special agent in charge at the time of Lavoy Finicum's death, Judge Steven Grasty, Sheriff David Ward, Dan Nichols and Pete Runnels by January 29th, 2016. We will request to escort the FBI presence out of Harney County, Oregon and once complete, the attention will return to the resignation of the County elected officials.

PPN is dedicated to a PEACEFUL operation. If you have any ill intent, please do not come. We do not need you. Please come prepared with civilian attire and adhere to the policy of no long guns within the community.

Please come self sufficient and able to care for yourself for the time you plan to stay. Donations arrive daily but they are not sustainable for a large or lengthy contingency.

We ask that you email us at volunteer@pacificpatriotsnetwork.com if and when you are planning to come and stand in Burns, Oregon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=82&v=WexBKRcOiC4

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=82&v=WexBKRcOiC4

http://www.pacificpatriotsnetwork.com/

[mick silver]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?87524-Chicago-Police-Have-Been-Sabotaging-Their-Own-Dashboard-Cameras-on-Purpose
Chicago police are destroying their own dashboard cameras


http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10859288/chicago-police-sabotage-dashboard-body-cameras

[mick silver]

Probable Cause 175 95.8K http://findlawimages.com/public/generic/pdficon_small.png Download article as a PDF (http://files.findlaw.com/pdf/criminal/criminal.findlaw.com_criminal-rights_probable-cause.pdf)





"Probable cause" generally refers to the requirement in criminal law that police have adequate reason to arrest (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/arrest.html) someone, conduct a search, or seize property (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/the-fourth-amendment-reasonableness-requirement.html) relating to an alleged crime.
The probable cause requirement comes from the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/u-s-constitution-fourth-amendment.html), which states that:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be searched."
As seen in those words, in order for a court to issue a warrant -- for someone's arrest, or to search or seize property -- there must be "probable cause."
Police must also have probable cause to arrest without a warrant, and in many cases to search or seize property without a warrant.
Prosecutors must also have probable cause to charge a defendant with a crime.
Warrants and Probable Cause
Typically, to obtain a warrant (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/the-fourth-amendment-warrant-requirement.html), an officer will sign an affidavit stating the facts as to why probable cause exists to arrest someone, conduct a search or seize property. Judges issue warrants if they agree that probable cause exists.
There are many instances where warrants are not required to arrest or search, such as arrests for felonies witnessed in public by an officer. Here is more information on when warrants are not required (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/the-fourth-amendment-reasonableness-requirement.html).
If a warrantless arrest occurs, probable cause must still be shown after the fact, and will be required in order to prosecute a defendant.
Probable Cause for Arrest
Probable cause for arrest exists when facts and circumstances within the police officer's knowledge would lead a reasonable person to believe that the suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime. Probable cause must come from specific facts and circumstances, rather than simply from the officer's hunch or suspicion.
"Detentions" short of arrest do not require probable cause. Such temporary detentions require only "reasonable suspicion." This includes car stops, pedestrian stops and detention of occupants while officers execute a search warrant. "Reasonable suspicion" means specific facts which would lead a reasonable person to believe criminal activity was at hand and further investigation was required.
Detentions can ripen into arrests, and the point where that happens is not always clear. Often, police state that they are arresting a person, place him/her in physical restraints, or take other action crossing the line into arrest. These police actions may trigger the constitutional requirement of probable cause.
Someone arrested or charged without probable cause may seek redress through a civil lawsuit for false arrest or malicious prosecution (http://public.findlaw.com/civil-rights/more-civil-rights-topics/police-misconduct-rights.html).
Probable Cause to Search
Probable cause to search exists when facts and circumstances known to the officer provide the basis for a reasonable person to believe that a crime was committed at the place to be searched, or that evidence of a crime exists at the location.
Search warrants must specify the place to be searched, as well as items to be seized.
There are many instances where a search warrant is not required. Common situations in which police are allowed to search without a warrant include:


when they have consent from the person in charge of the premises (although who that person is can be a tricky legal question);
when conducting certain searches connected to a lawful arrest; and
in emergency situations which threaten public safety or the loss of evidence.

Police also do not need a warrant to search or seize contraband "in plain site" when the officer has a right to be present.
Questions often arise over the extent to which police may search vehicles. Here are some commonly asked questions and answers about vehicle searches (http://public.findlaw.com/abaflg/flg-11-4b.html).
Probable Cause to Seize Property
Probable cause to seize property exists when facts and circumstances known to the officer would lead a reasonable person to believe that the item is contraband, is stolen, or constitutes evidence of a crime.
When a search warrant is in play, police generally must search only for the items described in the warrant. However, any contraband or evidence of other crimes they come across may, for the most part, be seized as well.
Should evidence prove to have resulted from an illegal search, it becomes subject to the "exclusionary rule" (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/the-fourth-amendment-and-the-exclusionary-rule.html) and cannot be used against the defendant in court. After hearing arguments from the prosecuting and defense attorneys, the judge decides whether evidence should be excluded.
Conclusion
Probable cause refers to the amount and quality of information required to arrest someone, to search or seize private property in many cases, or to charge someone with a crime. Probable cause to arrest, search, or seize property exists when facts and circumstances known to the police officer would lead a reasonable person to believe:


that the person to be arrested has committed a crime;
that the place to be searched was the scene of a crime;
that the place to be searched contains evidence of a crime; and/or
that property to be seized is contraband, stolen, or constitutes evidence of a

- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/probable-cause.html#sthash.lO8dnZOF.dpuf

[mick silver]

could it be a drone taking the video of the shooting

[Jewboo]

OFFICIAL CALL TO ACTION



PPN is dedicated to a PEACEFUL operation. If you have any ill intent, please do not come. We do not need you. Please come prepared with civilian attire and adhere to the policy of no long guns within the community.




:rolleyes:

[Jewboo]

You would be stumbling too, when shot on the left side of your body.



Bundy brothers are now sipping coffee with their lawyers after NOT resisting arrest.

[midnight rambler]

Bundy brothers are now sipping coffee with their lawyers after NOT resisting arrest.

You're a moron. He had surrendered, his hands were up, he dismounted his truck to draw attention away from his friends still in his truck. He's a hero, but in your worship of the Luciferian corporate state you just don't get it. Apparently you're a Satan worshiper just like your .gov thug 'heroes'.

I really wish you'd come clean regarding your relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center.

[Jewboo]

...he dismounted his truck to draw attention away from his friends still in his truck.




http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VFkBoMCJt1Q/hqdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nw-fgKuoiPA/mqdefault.jpg

After taking them on his high-speed joyride fleeing the traffic stop, speeding down the icy road, and crashing into the roadblock?

Really?

:rolleyes:

[Shami-Amourae]

You're a moron. He had surrendered, his hands were up, he dismounted his truck to draw attention away from his friends still in his truck. He's a hero, but in your worship of the Luciferian corporate state you just don't get it. Apparently you're a Satan worshiper just like your .gov thug 'heroes'.

I really wish you'd come clean regarding your relationship with the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Can the SPLC hire me too?

I wanna be Jewish and get paid for having a big nose and whiny voice too.

[Jewboo]

You're a moron. you... you're a Satan worshiper just like your .gov thug 'heroes'. you'd...your...



Attack the messenger when you can't debate the facts.

:rolleyes:

[Jewboo]

...his hands were up...





http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/160128231906-oregon-refugee-lavoy-finicum-shooting-03-c1-main.jpg


:rolleyes:

[Shami-Amourae]

...

http://s10.postimg.org/3xruff7tl/Untitled_1.jpg

http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2014/06/62045_11b771604597b416198210dae56e15ed.jpeg

[Tumbleweed]

This is a video I've watched part of at a protest in Burns to get Grasty to resign and the FBI out of town. I think it's promoted by the militia.

Starting at 5:45 in the video he says he talked to an FBI guy that admitted that they did shoot at Ryan Payne when he stuck his hands and head out the window but "It was only with a bean bag round".

At about 8:30 minutes in one of them says he talked with a video analyst and someone involved with a sheriffs dept. that was in agreement with them that they shot Lavoy in the hip and then he lowered his hands to the wounds. He also said that two bullets hit the truck right before he took off.

That would explain why he took off and tried to put some distance between them. The SOB's were shooting at them. This is all hearsay but it does need to be investigated.

Also Victoria Sharp had said Lavoy was on his knees when he was shot but it may have only looked like he was because he was standing in deep snow and that's just my opinion about that in her story.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQyjsA6iuE&amp;feature=share

[milehi]

Oddly, this is non news in N Arizona. There's nothing. No show of support, no banter. Nothing.

[mick silver]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/lido_685.jpghttp://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/28/breakingbusted-video-shows-finicum-armed-to-kill-so-many-lied/

[Ares]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/lido_685.jpghttp://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/28/breakingbusted-video-shows-finicum-armed-to-kill-so-many-lied/

Not sure what to make of the Veterans Today article. Seems to be filled in with a lot of conjecture. They blew up the image up to pixelation and are saying he had a gun. Even the FBI said that LaVoys gun was in his coat pocket.

[Tumbleweed]

The gal that's doing a commentary on this video says there are three shooters and she points out the first one. She says Lavoy points at him and grabs his side after he was shot.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB_Y0JudoA8

[monty]

http://youtu.be/kzx2eWenLx8

Youtube link: http://youtu.be/kzx2eWenLx8

[monty]

R. I. P. Lavoy Finicum


http://youtu.be/3rZAvI1sQ8A

[mick silver]

Calm in Oregon. Land Grab Anyone?As If (http://sputniknews.com/radio_as_if/)18:06 01.02.2016Get short URL
Nick Blake (http://sputniknews.com/authors/nick_blake/)
0 (http://sputniknews.com/radio_as_if/20160201/1034048296/calm-in-oregon-land-grab-anyone.html#comments)6210

At least one casualty has been shot dead on Live TV.


00:00 / 00:00








The case of militiamen occupying a building in a remote location in Oregon has mostly gone past by like a breeze. Yet the message US Federal government has sent out to other undesirables is simple – take the offer because next time it is going to be even less. The funny is delivered by Bill Hicks, Doug Stanhope and Stephen Colbert, while Leah Gunn Barrett (Executive Director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence) shares her professional opinion.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/radio_as_if/20160201/1034048296/calm-in-oregon-land-grab-anyone.html#ixzz3ywTaeDWs

[monty]

Calm in Oregon. Land Grab Anyone?

As If (http://sputniknews.com/radio_as_if/)18:06 01.02.2016Get short URL
Nick Blake (http://sputniknews.com/authors/nick_blake/)
0 (http://sputniknews.com/radio_as_if/20160201/1034048296/calm-in-oregon-land-grab-anyone.html#comments)6210

At least one casualty has been shot dead on Live TV.




00:00 / 00:00








The case of militiamen occupying a building in a remote location in Oregon has mostly gone past by like a breeze. Yet the message US Federal government has sent out to other undesirables is simple – take the offer because next time it is going to be even less. The funny is delivered by Bill Hicks, Doug Stanhope and Stephen Colbert, while Leah Gunn Barrett (Executive Director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence) shares her professional opinion.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/radio_as_if/20160201/1034048296/calm-in-oregon-land-grab-anyone.html#ixzz3ywTaeDWs


Link to mp3: http://fileria2.video.ria.ru/Out/MP3/20160201/2016_02_01_asif019010216_wibik5iv.kuc.mp3

[Tumbleweed]

This is a video by the gal that did the one above I posted pointing out the three shooters. Her youtube name is "call of duty goddess".

She does some commentary and has Shawna Cox's story. Shawna Cox names a guy that was with them that she thinks was in on the ambush.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdyyresAmhQ

[Tumbleweed]

This is an article by Dave Hodges at the freedom outpost with Shawna Cox's story in their interview and some commentary on it. He confuses the two Ryans, Payne and Bundy in his article at one point as others have also done.


Shauna Cox, Eyewitness to LaVoy Finicum Murder: They Shot Him Repeatedly in the Snow While He Lay Dying - Freedom Outpost (https://www.stormfront.org/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Ffreedomoutpost.com%2F2016%2 F02%2Fshauna-cox-eyewitness-to-lavoy-finicum-murder-they-shot-him-repeatedly-in-the-snow-while-he-lay-dying%2F)


"On Sunday evening, January 31, 2016, I interviewed Shawna Cox on The Common Sense Show. Her conversation with me was filled with exuberance, the same kind of exuberance that one would experience from a traumatic “fight or flight” experience.
After being shot at over 100 times, and lucky to be alive, Shawna was taken into custody. Shawna addresses the question posed and listed above, as she revealed to my audience some very detailed information which is also confirmed from the public accounts of 18 year old Victoria Sharp.
This may be Shawna Cox’s final interview to the media. During the course of the 30 minute interview, she told me she fully expected to be the victim of a gag order issued by a federal judge when she appears in court on Monday to face federal charges of impeding federal officers.
Shawna Cox, working through the health reporter of The Common Sense Show, Katy Whelan, reached out to me on Saturday evening. The interview, itself, was primarily about the harrowing events on January 26th in which LaVoy Finicum was executed by the FBI.
The Purpose of the Trip

Ammon Bundy and his companions were on their way to meet with the Sheriff from nearby John Day and commingle with local ranchers who stood in support of their cause. Music and festivities were also the order of the day. This is why 18-year-old singer, Victoria Sharp, was accompanying the party as they tried to make their way to John Day.
First Encounter

As the two cars, comprising the caravan, were making their way to John Day. they were pulled over at the first roadblock. At first, neither side did anything in what could be described as a silent stand-off. The occupants of the vehicles were not given any instructions (e.g. to exit the vehicle, etc.). Finally, in an attempt to show peaceful intent, Ryan Payne put both hands out of the truck through the open window, to show he was not armed, and he was promptly shot at with the bullet striking metal of the truck between the window and the mirror.
DAVE HODGES QUESTION: DID FEDERAL AUTHORITIES EVER GIVE THE OCCUPANTS OF THE TRUCKS A CHANCE TO SURRENDER AT THE FIRST ROADBLOCK? DID THEY ISSUE INSTRUCTIONS THROUGH THEIR PA?
SHAWNA COX ANSWER: NO! THEY JUST OPENED FIRE ON US AS WE SAT THERE. THEY NEVER GAVE US THE CHANCE TO SURRENDER.
A Fateful Decision

At that point, the driver of the first vehicle, Lavoy Finicum made a fateful decision to escape the gunfire and reach the protection of the Sheriff waiting for them at John Day.
As Finicum sped away, federal authorities were in pursuit. Very quickly, they came upon a second roadblock. Cox stated that it was at that point that Payne begged Finicum to pull over and he kept saying that we have to reach the Sheriff.
The Second Roadblock

Upon reaching the second roadblock, Finicum attempted to swerve to the side of the road and the truck was stuck in a snowbank.
According to Cox, Finicum exited the vehicle with his hands up and said:
“We have women in the car don’t shoot!:
According to Cox, and her account is backed up by Victoria Sharp, Finicum had his hands in the air as he faced the FBI agents who were stationed in the trees and said:

“We are going to the Sheriff….well, just go ahead and shoot me.” This was all said with his hands in the air. Finicum (was) immediately shot upon exiting the car, several times, and was, again, shot at repeatedly while he lie in the snow dying.
Attempted Second Degree Murder of the Occupants in the Truck

Immediately, the occupants had red lasers on their bodies as the scurried for cover in the truck. Immediately after Finicum was killed, the truck came under fire. No orders were issued to the occupants, and as it was at the first roadblock, firing bullets at the occupants of the truck was the first order of the day.
Cox believes that the vehicle was struck at least one hundred times. Both women were hysterically screaming to “please stop shooting” as the two women were begging for their lives.
This entire event, complete with two roadblocks, unprovoked gunfire and FBI agents in the trees could only be described as an “old west ambush”.
With no movement in the truck, and after firing over 100 rounds, the FBI finally issued its first order to surrender. They ordered the male occupants out of the vehicle, followed by the females.
The Arrests

I have had multiple law enforcement personnel write to me and express shock and horror that the FBI never attempted to check on the status of Finicum.
Victoria Sharp was not charged and arrested and was dumped at a Safeway parking lot with no money and only the clothes on her back. Shawna Cox was charged with impeding federal officers (I am still scratching my head on this one trying to make sense of the charge.
As a footnote, and as a precondition of her release, Shawna Cox was ordered to have all guns at her Utah home removed. After the guns were removed, her son-in-law, sitting in close proximity to the guns was suddenly and mysteriously caught in a fire in which all the guns and ammunition went up in smoke. Shawna’s son-in-law was killed in the event.
Conclusion

Please consider the fact that Victoria Sharp is an 18 year old kid who was not even part of the dispute. She was there to musically perform in John Day and the FBI attempted to murder this girl without so much as an opportunity to surrender peacefully.
What did these seven occupants do to warrant a “shoot first order”? They did nothing, but they were never given the opportunity to surrender before being fired upon, on two different occasions. And as Shawna Cox put it “Lavoy was murdered in cold blood by the FBI, he had his hands in the air until he was shot”.
Shawna added, as a footnote, that when the last man was taken into custody, they were asked if there were any others left in the truck. They responded that they were the last. The FBI promptly proceeded to fire over 100 more rounds into the vehicle after the vehicle was vacated.

[Ares]

This ladies and gentlemen is the very definition of government tyranny.

[monty]

This ladies and gentlemen is the very definition of government tyranny.

Absolutely, execution because these people have uncovered too many dirty deals at the count and federal levels.

[Tumbleweed]

https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/ (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/)

Was a stolen 9mm handgun planted on LaVoy Finicum after his death by the FBI? (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/)

Posted on February 1, 2016 (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/)by lozzafun (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/author/lozzafun/)
~@ An interesting development… Witness’s stated that Lavoy left his guns at the refuge, that they all did… Is it true?… Darned if I know but ‘if true’, this claim puts a big hole in the official story…

source (http://www.paulstramer.net/2016/02/was-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy.html)

According to the Pacific Patriots Network, the serial number of the 9mm gun the FBI claimed was found on LaVoy Finicum came up STOLEN over 2 years ago.

That serial number is 54119868.

Barbara Davis on facebook said LaVoy was shot 9 times, and his body is back home now, but the funeral will be closed casket.

Barbara was the one that put out the call for the serial number according to the post on Facebook, which they are saying has now been removed.
From: Joanne
Date: February 1, 2016
Subject:Finican murder


This looks weird because i had to take a photo of it. Facebook wouldn’t let me forward the original which came from my reliable source. And, It has disappeared. They are majorly into a censorship mode.
Joanne


https://i1.wp.com/www.lincolncountywatch.org/serialnumberof9mm640.jpg

[mick silver]

from now on I see them putting the fire out before it gets started anyone here remember NSA you cant talk on a phone anymore .. so they planted the gun they say he had on his body like have said before nothing nothing shocks me anymore . he was hunted down like a wild dog

[monty]

Cliven Bundy Egging Standoff Militiamen To Keep Going In Oregonhttp://a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/isjzyhsagzzmn2jsur7p.jpg
AP Photo / John Locher

Cliven Bundy is encouraging the four individuals still known to be at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge to stay put and keep fighting, according to a report from Oregon Public Broadcasting. (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/cliven-bundy-calls-for-refuge-occupation-to-continue/)


OPB is reporting that Bundy wrote to County Sheriff David Ward and Oregon Gov. Kate Brown that "We the People of Harney County and also We the People of the citizens of the United States DO GIVE NOTICE THAT WE WILL RETAIN POSSESSION OF THE HARNEY COUNTY RESOURCE CENTER."



In what OPB identified as a "notarized" letter, Bundy also demanded that all "state and federal" law enforcement agents leave the area. Bundy's letter ran counter to the message coming from his detained son Ammon Bundy who led the initial takeover of Malheur, but since his arrest has called for the remaining occupants to give up and leave the refuge.


Cliven Bundy became a household name after a high-profile standoff against the Bureau of Land Management in 2014. Many of the same individuals who stood with Cliven Bundy then participated in the Oregon refuge standoff.
8065

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-encourages-militiamen-to-keep-going-with-oregon-standoff

[Tumbleweed]

There is a video at this link where this Army veteran speaks about the video put out by the FBI.

New Evidence that the Video of Authorities Shooting a Rancher in Oregon has "Inconsistencies"? - Eagle Rising (https://www.stormfront.org/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Feaglerising.com%2F29563%2Fn ew-evidence-that-the-video-of-authorities-shooting-a-rancher-in-oregon-has-inconsistencies%2F)


"US Army veteran Sgt. E-5 Allen Lardieri spoke out concerning the FBI release of the video of the murder of LaVoy Finicum... in his estimation, the video was not recorded according to anything that those who would have been engaged in, and he confirms that it was not drone footage, but was, in fact, a manned aerial vehicle. Lardieri says the system that recorded the murder of Finicum is known as an Orion ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance) platform.

Those who operate the vehicles and the cameras that obtain the video footage are known as ASOs (Aerial Surveillance Operators). Lardieri says that the field of operation is very limited concerning this kind of operation, military-occupational-specialty-wise. According to Lardieri, an individual communicated to him some "inconsistencies" on the behalf of the operators of the vehicle that captured the video. However, the question is were this inconsistencies "operator error" or merely intentional maneuvers to "keep the video vague""?

Lardieri confirms that this particular platform is found "consistently on manned aerial vehicles, not drones." So, we discover that the footage is not from a drone, but there is a person operating the vehicle and the video capture on board. The person that relayed to Lardieri that the Orion system was the one used in this operation said that he had viewed the same screen for 506 hours of combat.

In an exclusive interview with Sgt. Lardieri, he told Freedom Outpost that thermal imaging would have shown every shot fired and that had the pilot been flying at an altitude of 10,000 feet or higher would have rendered flawless video and given a better picture of what took place.He told us that according to a proper procedure, the quality of the video would have been at 96 megapixels, which would have allowed for determining people inside the vehicle.

This, along with thermal imaging, would have shown not only the people inside, but also any and all gunfire that took place. According to Lardieri, the operator was knowingly engaging in a flight pattern at an altitude that would not provide the best video coverage.So, the only reason for the release of the video by the FBI is that it was meant to conceal the reality of what took place, and make things appear different than they really were. Those are my words, not Sft. Larder's. I'll leave it to the reader to determine whether or not the pilot was knowingly engaged in a coverup of what appears to be an FBI ambush of LaVoy Finicum and those with him, which resulted in his murder.

Personally, I think we can conclude that if basic operation procedure was to operate at higher altitude and use thermal imaging, then we can conclude that this pilot was acting under the order of the Justice Department, under criminal Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who is under the direction of the criminal-in-chief Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Sobarkah for the express purpose to put down those who dared to call the government in DC to account regarding the Constitution."

[mick silver]

(Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance) platform.... can see a tick on your dick dont let them kid you

[monty]

BREAKING Cliven Bundy Sends Legal Notice to Sheriff David Ward of Harney County(Before It's News) (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/02/cliven-bundy-sends-legal-notice-to-sheriff-david-ward-of-harney-county-3291992.html)
Lorie Kramer
The Citizens for Constitutional Freedom Support Group is reporting on their Facebook page,


Nevada rancher and father of Ammon and Ryan, Cliven Bundy, has sent a legal notice to Sheriff David Ward of Harney County.


The notice informs the Sheriff that the citizens of Harney County and the people of the United States will continue to retain the Harney County Rescource Center, also known as the Malheur Wilderness Refuge, as a a resource for the people rather than a resource for the federal government.
The notice demands that the Sheriff remove all federal and state policing agents from the county. It also demands that a guard from the Sheriff’s department be posted at the entrance of the refuge to stop people from entering or exiting “for a time”.


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[Tumbleweed]

Another video here by "call of duty goddess" where she points out what looks like three muzzle flashes at the rear of Lavoys truck just before he took off. If you start at the 9:00 minute mark she points them out. If they are muzzle flashes it would confirm what Victoria Sharp and Shawna Cox have said about them shooting at them while they were sitting there.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4kYszZ7ens

[Tumbleweed]

https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/ (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/)

Was a stolen 9mm handgun planted on LaVoy Finicum after his death by the FBI? (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/)

Posted on February 1, 2016 (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/2016/02/01/was-a-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy-finicum-after-his-death-by-the-fbi/)by lozzafun (https://lozzafun1.wordpress.com/author/lozzafun/)
~@ An interesting development… Witness’s stated that Lavoy left his guns at the refuge, that they all did… Is it true?… Darned if I know but ‘if true’, this claim puts a big hole in the official story…

source (http://www.paulstramer.net/2016/02/was-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy.html)

According to the Pacific Patriots Network, the serial number of the 9mm gun the FBI claimed was found on LaVoy Finicum came up STOLEN over 2 years ago.

That serial number is 54119868.

Barbara Davis on facebook said LaVoy was shot 9 times, and his body is back home now, but the funeral will be closed casket.

Barbara was the one that put out the call for the serial number according to the post on Facebook, which they are saying has now been removed.
From: Joanne
Date: February 1, 2016
Subject:Finican murder


This looks weird because i had to take a photo of it. Facebook wouldn’t let me forward the original which came from my reliable source. And, It has disappeared. They are majorly into a censorship mode.
Joanne


https://i1.wp.com/www.lincolncountywatch.org/serialnumberof9mm640.jpg





I've been looking for more information on this post and some say it's disinfo and it could be. I can't find anywhere else where it's confirmed to be true.

It is also posted on Paul Stramers site where you'll find a lot of Anna Von Reitz's articles. It is posted as a question so I guess time will tell if it's true or disinfo. I probably should have waited or looked for conformation before posting it.

http://www.paulstramer.net/2016/02/was-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy.html

[Ares]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4001
(a)No citizen shall be imprisoned or otherwise detained by the United States except pursuant to an Act of Congress.

Building on this theme, we now add a corroborating citation from the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rule 26, Notes of Advisory Committee on Rules, paragraph 2 (http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/foliocgi.exe/frcrm/query=[jump!3A!27nrule+26!27]/doc/{@2215}?), in the middle,
"On the other hand since all Federal crimes are statutory (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/) [ see United States v. Hudson, 11 U.S. 32, 3 L.ed. 259 (1812) (http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/ChallJurisdiction/AuthoritiesArticle/u.s._v._hudson11US32.htm)] and all criminal prosecutions in the Federal courts are based on acts of Congress, . . ."
2. TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION:In order to define the jurisdiction of the Federal courts to conduct criminal prosecutions, one would have to find out what the specific definition of "Act of Congress," is. We find such a definition in Rule 54(c) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (http://www2.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/foliocgi.exe/frcrm/query=*/doc/{t772}?) prior to Dec. 2002, wherein is defined "Act of Congress." Rule 54(c) states:
"Act of Congress" includes any act of Congress locally applicable to and in force in the District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or in an insular possession."

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/ChallJurisdiction/AuthoritiesArticle/AuthOnJurisdiction.htm#2.%20TERRITORIAL%20JURISDIC TION

The Supreme Court rewrote the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and "conviently" omitted the above statement. You will need to find a copy dated before Dec. 1, 2002 that includes the above definition.

Nice find Monty. May have to send that over to their lawyer who will probably do nothing g with it less they take away his BAR membership.

[Joshua01]

I've been looking for more information on this post and some say it's disinfo and it could be. I can't find anywhere else where it's confirmed to be true.

It is also posted on Paul Stramers site where you'll find a lot of Anna Von Reitz's articles. It is posted as a question so I guess time will tell if it's true or disinfo. I probably should have waited or looked for conformation before posting it.

http://www.paulstramer.net/2016/02/was-stolen-9mm-handgun-planted-on-lavoy.html

If the body has been released the family will have ample opportunity to get the word out there, along with the supporting facts, to show how many times this man was shot. The government says 3 times....we'll see. As far as the serial number of the 9mm, let's take it one step at a time

[monty]

Nice find Monty. May have to send that over to their lawyer who will probably do nothing g with it less they take away his BAR membership.

I don't imagine the bar association lawyers want to destroy their gravy train. I think you would have to file the objection and demand for proof of constitutional authority pro se.

[mick silver]

Cliven Bundy Says Oregon Occupiers Should Stand Their Ground

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“If we don’t retain it, then we’ve lost everything that we’ve done in the last two months"

The father of detained Oregon militia leader Ammon Bundy has called (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/01/oregon-armed-militia-standoff-cliven-ammon-bundy-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge) on supporters to continue their occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, despite his son previously telling them to go home.

In a letter to the sheriff of Harney Country — copying the Oregon state governor and President Obama — Cliven Bundy announced that the group would "retain possession" of the federal building, the Guardian reports. The elder Bundy, who led a standoff with the federal government in 2014, lives in Bunkerville, Nevada.

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/694306727223627776
(https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/694306727223627776)
Ammon Bundy — who was among 11 people arrested last week following an incident in which the group's spokesman Robert Finicum was shot dead by a law enforcement officer — has issued a statement calling on his supporters to stand down.
But Cliven Bundy told the Guardian he did not believe that statement reflected his son's true intentions.
“What this is saying is that Cliven Bundy is taking control of things,” he was quoted saying Monday. “If we don’t retain it, then we’ve lost everything that we’ve done in the last two months. We’re not gonna give up.”
[Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/01/oregon-armed-militia-standoff-cliven-ammon-bundy-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge)]

[mick silver]

Cliven Bundy defies son Ammon in call for Oregon militia to stand their ground After Ammon Bundy called on final occupiers to leave refuge (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/27/oregon-militia-standoff-ammon-bundy-arrested-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-occupation-leave), his father sent a letter to government officials declaring armed militia would not back down

(http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/01/oregon-armed-militia-standoff-cliven-ammon-bundy-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge#img-1) ‘What this is saying is that Cliven Bundy is taking control of things,’ he said of the Oregon standoff in an interview from his ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada. Photograph: Sam Levin for the Guardian Sam Levin (http://www.theguardian.com/profile/sam-levin) in Bunkerville, Nevada

@SamTLevin
(http://twitter.com/SamTLevin)
Monday 1 February 2016 18.35 EST Last modified on Tuesday 2 February 2016 03.57 EST

Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who led a standoff with the federal government in 2014, wants the protesters in Oregon (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/oregon) to stand their ground – directly defying the message of his son, Ammon.

Days after militia leader Ammon Bundy, now in jail in Portland, Oregon (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/29/oregon-militia-standoff-ammon-bundy-jail-bail-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge), called on the final four occupiers (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/28/oregon-militia-standoff-four-members-remain-malheur-wildlife-refuge) at the Malheur national wildlife refuge to surrender and go home (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/27/oregon-militia-standoff-ammon-bundy-arrested-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-occupation-leave), the elder Bundy sent a letter to government officials declaring that the armed militia would not be backing down.
“This is notice that We the People of Harney County and also We the People of the citizens of the United States DO GIVE NOTICE THAT WE WILL RETAIN POSSESSION OF THE HARNEY COUNTY RESOURCE CENTER,” Cliven wrote in the letter, which he sent on Monday to the local sheriff, Oregon governor Kate Brown, and the White House.

The armed militia in Oregon renamed the federally protected refuge the “Harney County Resource Center” and for weeks since the occupation began said their goal was to return the public lands to the control of local people.

But since 11 people associated with the militia were arrested – and occupation spokesman LaVoy Finicum was shot and killed by state troopers (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/28/oregon-militia-standoff-lavoy-finicum-shooting-dead-police-malehur-national-wildlife-refuge) – leader Ammon Bundy has called on the holdouts to end the protest.

Cliven Bundy, however, declared today that he wants the opposite to occur.

“What this is saying is that Cliven Bundy is taking control of things,” Cliven said in an interview from his ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada, on Monday afternoon. “If we don’t retain it, then we’ve lost everything that we’ve done in the last two months. We’re not gonna give up.”
He added: “This is not Ammon’s message. This is my message ... We’ve made a decision to retain it ... The feds are going to get out of there.”

The letter demands further: “Remove all federal and state policing agents out of Harney County.”

Cliven Bundy sent the letter to the local sheriff, Oregon governor Kate Brown, and the White House. Photograph: Sam Levin for the Guardian Cliven said he suspected that his imprisoned son felt pressured to urge the remaining occupiers to go home. “That’s what he said, but I never believed it. I don’t think that’s what’s in his heart. He probably got his arm twisted.”

Cliven said he has not talked to his son since he was arrested last Tuesday. Ammon, his brother Ryan, and a group of activists are facing federal felony charges (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/29/oregon-militia-standoff-leaders-prison-time-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge) for their roles in the occupation of government buildings, which began on 2 January to protest the imprisonment of two local ranchers.

Carol Bundy, Cliven’s wife, said in an interview that it was crucial the occupation persevere. “Ammon does not want bloodshed. But he wants the message to continue,” said Carol. “We’ve made a statement. We’ve made a stand. And we’d like to hold out.”

The four remaining occupiers have posted videos online saying they refused to leave unless they had assurances that they would not face charges. The four left are David Fry, a 27-year-old Ohio resident, Jeff Banta of Elko, Nevada, and husband and wife Sean and Sandy Anderson of Riggins, Idaho.

Speaking through his lawyer after his first court appearance last week, Ammon issued a statement (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/27/oregon-militia-standoff-ammon-bundy-arrested-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-occupation-leave) that said: “To those who remain at the refuge, I love you. Let us take this fight from here ... Please stand down. Go home and hug your families. This fight is ours for now, in the courts.”

[monty]

According to some in the chatroom on the Santilli youtube channel that was not Ammon who asked the others to stand down, it was his attorney. Others also said the wife verified that those were not Ammon's words. But later reports say Ammon and his wife both asked the protesters to stand down. I haven't tried to verify this.

[monty]

Dallas Aherns explains about the mixup of the two Ryans in the Dave Hodges show. He says both Ryan Payne and Ryan Bundy were in La Voy's truck at the ambush. About 7 minutes in


http://youtu.be/gNPdkr8cGz0

[Tumbleweed]

^^^^Good video with a lot of truth in it. He said something I've thought myself that the people the Bundys were facing were souless demons. When I've watched videos when they confronted the deputies and FBI that very thought came to my mind too "souless demons".

[mick silver]

Oregon Standoff, Public Land, Federal Land and Demonizing MilitiaOregon (http://nsnbc.me/tag/oregon/)USA (http://nsnbc.me/tag/usa/)

Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : The standoff between ranchers and authorities at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge continues to escalate as armed unorganized militia members have come to support the protesting ranchers. The initiative to occupy a public building in the wildlife refuge on January 2 was led by Ammon Bundy, known from the standoff between the Bundy family and law-enforcement over the use of public land in 2014. The situation is, not surprisingly, grossly misrepresented in US media. The initiative was launched after two ranchers who burned off grasslands used for ranching to prevent wildfires and yield better grass for cattle were sentenced for arson. http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Amon-Bundy_Malheur-Wildlife-Refuge_Oregon_USA-300x155.jpg (http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Amon-Bundy_Malheur-Wildlife-Refuge_Oregon_USA.jpg)Back to the 2014 Bundy Ranch Standoff. In 2014 US and Nevada authorities violently seized cattle from Cliven Bundy, a private rancher who, as many other ranchers, used public land for grazing cattle. The seizure of Bundy’s cattle had direct links to Senator and Majority Leader Harry Reid and the Obama administration. The seizure of the cattle and what local ranchers describes as “land-grab” was according to several analysts directly linked to projects under the umbrella of Agenda 21 initiatives.The situation that led to the standoff also involved factors such as (http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/13/the-real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-in-nevada/) the fact that Reid applied “pressure [to] Nevada’s largest power company, NV Energy, to sign up as [ENN Energy Group’s] first customer.” This deal with ENN and Reid is worth $5 billion for a “solar farm and panel manufacturing plant [to be constructed] in the southern Nevada desert.” In conjunction with this accord, Reid’s son Rory Reid, who is a “prominent Las Vegas [lawyer] that is representing ENN”, and focused on making clean energy projects a specialty at their firm, is assisting the Chinese solar energy corporation in acquiring “a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site . . . well below appraised value from Clark County.”http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC-300x168.jpg (http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC.jpg)Bundy Ranch Courtesy Occupy Corporatism)

In her article entitled “The REAL Truth Behind Bundy Ranch Land-Grab in Nevada” (http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/13/the-real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-in-nevada/), Susanne Posel would notice other facts. For instance that Neil Kornze, “former senior adviser” to Reid was named the director of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). The article details the background of the standoff between the family that had used the disputed land for two decades and authorities. The article explains why Ammon Bundy would lead the initiative at the current standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.Bundy, other ranchers as well as supportive militia members stress that “What we’re doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land”, while they consider de facto land grabs from ranchers and the sentencing of ranchers who burn off grass to avoid wildfires and to yield better grass for cattle grazing as arbitrary and as an infringement on rights by the federal government.The Malheur Wildlife Refuge is a 187,757-acre wildlife refuge. It is among others a refuge for greater sandhill cranes and other native birds in eastern Oregon. Critics of the ranchers would denounce the grazing of cattle on public lands and the occupation of the public building in the Malheur Wildlife Refuge as “an attempt to destroy the national system of public lands, forests, parks and refuges”. Underhanded deals with corporations to develop solar industry on the land that was previously used by the Bundy family does, however, cast serious doubts on the integrity and honesty of such accusations.Native Americans in Legal Limbo.One factor that is largely being omitted is that these land disputes tend to leave first nations Americans in a legal limbo. The first people to live on the land that now is designated as Malheur Wildlife Refuge were the Paiute. The tribe lived of the land as hunter-gatherers and fishers, maintaining an ecological balance between themselves and the land that sustained them. Colonizing “settlers” considered the Paiute as uncivilized savages without fixed habitation, culture, etc.. They were largely considered as “sub-human” and forced into signing a treaty in 1887. A brief uprising was violently crushed. The Paiute were forcibly marched through winter-weather and snow to the Yakama reservation. in southeastern Washington State. Countless died during the ethnic cleansing operation. Ironically, their relocation would later put them at risk from radioactive contamination from the Hanford (http://nsnbc.me/?s=hanford) Nuclear Reservation. Understandably, first nations tribes don’t necessarily sympathize of feel solidarity with ranchers who feel oppressed by the federal government, the Bureau of Land management and environmental agencies. They do, however, have one issue that could bridge the gap between these communities.http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2nd-Amendment_USA_Gun-Control_NEO-300x199.jpeg (http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2nd-Amendment_USA_Gun-Control_NEO.jpeg)The Right to Organize the Unorganized Militia and to Resist Tyranny.The standoff between the disgruntled ranchers, militia and the government brings to mind the heavy-handed, violent crackdowns against natives who organized armed resistance against infringements on their rights. Many of them who were not shot and killed ended up in federal prisons. This as well as the current standoff at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge bring to mind the words of two of the so-called Founding Fathers; James Madison and John Adams.
James Madison:“Americans need never fear their government because of the advantage of being armed, a right which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation”.John Adams:“Arms in the hands of the citizen may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny, and for self-defense”.While almost all US media as well as most Democrats and Republicans alike misrepresent the militia members that have arrived at the Malheur Wildlife refuge as everything from “radical right-wingers” over “fundamentalist Christians” to “criminals and terrorists”, it is worth to have a close look at how the right to form militia is regulated.In the United States “the militia” consists of all able-bodied men with personal firearms. That is, it does not consist of conscripts or professional soldiers. The militia has the purpose to guarantee a free State by repelling foreign invasions, domestic insurrections and Federal Government Tyranny. The US Constitution’s Article 1, Section 8 – 15-16 stipulates:
The Congress shall have the power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union (not to be confused with the Federal Administration in the District of Colombia) to suppress insurrection and repel invasions. It is the duty of the militia to execute the laws of the Union. … To provide for organizing army and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States of America, reserving to the States, respectively, the appointment of the officers and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.It is important to notice that the “National Guard” is not “The Militia” but that the militia is the people. More specifically, the militia is regulated in Section 57 in the Officer’s Guide of the National Defense Act. The Act stipulates that:
The Militia of the United States consists of all male citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied males who have or shall have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are more than 18 years of age and not more than 45 years of age, and the Militia shall be divided into three classes. The National Guard which our forefathers described as the Select Militia, separate from the term “The Militia”, the Naval Militia, and the Unorganized Militia.The Unorganized Militia – Not Unregulated or Irregular.It is especially the latter, the “Unorganized Militia (http://nsnbc.me/?s=%22Unorganized+Militia%22)” that Madison, Adams and others were referring to when they stressed that “the people” have the right and ability to resist against tyranny. The Constitutions of the constituent States of the USA vary with regard to the age and gender, some specify military age between 17 – 45 years of age, others specify the military age up to 64 years, others again do not implicitly exclude women.Citizens in all States of the United States have the constitutional right to form registered units of the Unorganized Militia, to possess and bear military-grade weapons provided that these militia units are well-regulated.This implies that members of militia units are well-trained and well-educated. This includes military training as well as it does education about the rights, obligations and duties of the Unorganized Militia. Of special importance is that militia units have to be educated about and adhere to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and that it trains and operates overtly instead of covertly. Regardless what position one has with regard to wildlife conservation, the debate about the standoff must be brought on the right track unless the United States and its citizens want to risk descending further into tyranny, imposed on them by their federal government.CH/L – nsnbc – 10.01.2015Share:

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Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : The standoff between ranchers and authorities at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge continues to escalate as armed unorganized militia members have come to support the protesting ranchers. The initiative to occupy a public building in the wildlife refuge on January 2 was led by Ammon Bundy, known from the standoff between the Bundy family and law-enforcement over the use of public land in 2014. The situation is, not surprisingly, grossly misrepresented in US media. The initiative was launched after two ranchers who burned off grasslands used for ranching to prevent wildfires and yield better grass for cattle were sentenced for arson.

Back to the 2014 Bundy Ranch Standoff.
In 2014 US and Nevada authorities violently seized cattle from Cliven Bundy, a private rancher who, as many other ranchers, used public land for grazing cattle. The seizure of Bundy’s cattle had direct links to Senator and Majority Leader Harry Reid and the Obama administration. The seizure of the cattle and what local ranchers describes as “land-grab” was according to several analysts directly linked to projects under the umbrella of Agenda 21 initiatives.

The situation that led to the standoff also involved factors such as (http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/13/the-real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-in-nevada/) the fact that Reid applied “pressure [to] Nevada’s largest power company, NV Energy, to sign up as [ENN Energy Group’s] first customer.” This deal with ENN and Reid is worth $5 billion for a “solar farm and panel manufacturing plant [to be constructed] in the southern Nevada desert.” In conjunction with this accord, Reid’s son Rory Reid, who is a “prominent Las Vegas [lawyer] that is representing ENN”, and focused on making clean energy projects a specialty at their firm, is assisting the Chinese solar energy corporation in acquiring “a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site . . . well below appraised value from Clark County.”

http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC-300x168.jpg (http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC.jpg)Bundy Ranch Courtesy Occupy Corporatism
)

In her article entitled “The REAL Truth Behind Bundy Ranch Land-Grab in Nevada” (http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/13/the-real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-in-nevada/), Susanne Posel would notice other facts. For instance that Neil Kornze, “former senior adviser” to Reid was named the director of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). The article details the background of the standoff between the family that had used the disputed land for two decades and authorities. The article explains why Ammon Bundy would lead the initiative at the current standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Bundy, other ranchers as well as supportive militia members stress that “What we’re doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land”, while they consider de facto land grabs from ranchers and the sentencing of ranchers who burn off grass to avoid wildfires and to yield better grass for cattle grazing as arbitrary and as an infringement on rights by the federal government.

The Malheur Wildlife Refuge is a 187,757-acre wildlife refuge. It is among others a refuge for greater sandhill cranes and other native birds in eastern Oregon. Critics of the ranchers would denounce the grazing of cattle on public lands and the occupation of the public building in the Malheur Wildlife Refuge as “an attempt to destroy the national system of public lands, forests, parks and refuges”. Underhanded deals with corporations to develop solar industry on the land that was previously used by the Bundy family does, however, cast serious doubts on the integrity and honesty of such accusations.

Native Americans in Legal Limbo.
One factor that is largely being omitted is that these land disputes tend to leave first nations Americans in a legal limbo. The first people to live on the land that now is designated as Malheur Wildlife Refuge were the Paiute. The tribe lived of the land as hunter-gatherers and fishers, maintaining an ecological balance between themselves and the land that sustained them. Colonizing “settlers” considered the Paiute as uncivilized savages without fixed habitation, culture, etc.. They were largely considered as “sub-human” and forced into signing a treaty in 1887. A brief uprising was violently crushed. The Paiute were forcibly marched through winter-weather and snow to the Yakama reservation. in southeastern Washington State. Countless died during the ethnic cleansing operation. Ironically, their relocation would later put them at risk from radioactive contamination from the Hanford (http://nsnbc.me/?s=hanford) Nuclear Reservation. Understandably, first nations tribes don’t necessarily sympathize of feel solidarity with ranchers who feel oppressed by the federal government, the Bureau of Land management and environmental agencies. They do, however, have one issue that could bridge the gap between these communities.

.http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2nd-Amendment_USA_Gun-Control_NEO-300x199.jpeg (http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2nd-Amendment_USA_Gun-Control_NEO.jpeg)

The Right to Organize the Unorganized Militia and to Resist Tyranny.
The standoff between the disgruntled ranchers, militia and the government brings to mind the heavy-handed, violent crackdowns against natives who organized armed resistance against infringements on their rights. Many of them who were not shot and killed ended up in federal prisons. This as well as the current standoff at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge bring to mind the words of two of the so-called Founding Fathers; James Madison and John Adams.

James Madison:“Americans need never fear their government because of the advantage of being armed, a right which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation”.

John Adams:“Arms in the hands of the citizen may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny, and for self-defense”.


While almost all US media as well as most Democrats and Republicans alike misrepresent the militia members that have arrived at the Malheur Wildlife refuge as everything from “radical right-wingers” over “fundamentalist Christians” to “criminals and terrorists”, it is worth to have a close look at how the right to form militia is regulated.In the United States “the militia” consists of all able-bodied men with personal firearms. That is, it does not consist of conscripts or professional soldiers. The militia has the purpose to guarantee a free State by repelling foreign invasions, domestic insurrections and Federal Government Tyranny. The US Constitution’s Article 1, Section 8 – 15-16 stipulates:


The Congress shall have the power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union (not to be confused with the Federal Administration in the District of Colombia) to suppress insurrection and repel invasions. It is the duty of the militia to execute the laws of the Union. … To provide for organizing army and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States of America, reserving to the States, respectively, the appointment of the officers and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.


It is important to notice that the “National Guard” is not “The Militia” but that the militia is the people. More specifically, the militia is regulated in Section 57 in the Officer’s Guide of the National Defense Act. The Act stipulates that:


The Militia of the United States consists of all male citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied males who have or shall have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are more than 18 years of age and not more than 45 years of age, and the Militia shall be divided into three classes. The National Guard which our forefathers described as the Select Militia, separate from the term “The Militia”, the Naval Militia, and the Unorganized Militia.


The Unorganized Militia – Not Unregulated or Irregular.
It is especially the latter, the “Unorganized Militia (http://nsnbc.me/?s=%22Unorganized+Militia%22)” that Madison, Adams and others were referring to when they stressed that “the people” have the right and ability to resist against tyranny. The Constitutions of the constituent States of the USA vary with regard to the age and gender, some specify military age between 17 – 45 years of age, others specify the military age up to 64 years, others again do not implicitly exclude women.Citizens in all States of the United States have the constitutional right to form registered units of the Unorganized Militia, to possess and bear military-grade weapons provided that these militia units are well-regulated.

This implies that members of militia units are well-trained and well-educated. This includes military training as well as it does education about the rights, obligations and duties of the Unorganized Militia. Of special importance is that militia units have to be educated about and adhere to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and that it trains and operates overtly instead of covertly. Regardless what position one has with regard to wildlife conservation, the debate about the standoff must be brought on the right track unless the United States and its citizens want to risk descending further into tyranny, imposed on them by their federal government.

CH/L – nsnbc – 10.01.2015

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Good find Mick Silver!
This is the first truthful article I've seen that actually explains what is happening to our country.

You can infer from from this that the US Fish and Wildlife Service has "aquired" an additional 106,000 acres from the original 81,786 acres the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Oregon (1935) belonged to the United States submerged under non navigable waterways of Malheur Lake, MudLake and 3 other shallow lakes.

The only way the US Fish and Wildlife Service can claim any kind of jurisdiction or ownership is the migratory bird treaty with Mexico. The non migratory birds, fiish, and wildlife are property of the states.

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The REAL Truth Behind Bundy Ranch Land-Grab in Nevada


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Susanne Posel (OC) : Connections behind the tense situation in Clark County, Nevada, regarding the aggressive seizure of cattle from Cliven Bundy, a private rancher who used public land for grazing purposes, appears to have a direct pathway beyond Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid; involving the Obama administration and international projects directed under Agenda 21 initiatives.http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC-300x168.jpg (http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC.jpg)Media reports state (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831)that in March, Reid applied “pressure [to] Nevada’s largest power company, NV Energy, to sign up as [ENN Energy Group’s] first customer.”This deal with ENN and Reid is worth $5 billion for a “solar farm and panel manufacturing plant [to be constructed] in the southern Nevada desert.”In conjunction with this accord, Reid’s son Rory Reid, who is a “prominent Las Vegas [lawyer] that is representing ENN”, and focused on making clean energy projects a specialty at their firm, is assisting the Chinese solar energy corporation in acquiring “a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site . . . well below appraised value from Clark County.”Interestingly, Neil Kornze, “former senior adviser” to Reid was named (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevadan-named-blm-chief/)the director of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM).For the last 2 decades, the Bundy family in Clark County, Nevada has been involved in judicial battles with the BLM over their grazing rights on public land. The BLM obtained a court order to begin removing Bundy’s cattle from public land under trespassing laws and even was instrumental in the revocation of permits previously held by the Bundy family for multiple generations.Four years ago, the Obama administration reversed a policy (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101223/ap_on_re_us/us_wilderness_rules)enacted by the former George W. Bush administration, which released millions of under-developed acres of land to be allocated to federal wilderness protection. Then secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar commented that this reversal was righting a policy that “frankly never should have happened.”With the assistance of environmental groups lobbying for the restoration of wilderness areas for protection, the Obama administration began reviewing an estimated 220 million acres for the BLM to assert oversight for under nomination as a “Wild Lands” protected area.The non-governmental organization (NGO) The Wildlands Project (http://www.twp.org/)(WP) is focusing on American landscape preservation for “future generations to inherit a continent rich in wildlife, with plenty of room for all species to roam.” The WP is purposed with bringing American lands back to “rewilding” which translates to massive areas of land being placed under restrictions called “conservation easements”, “scenic byways”, “protected areas”, “biosphere reserves”, and “wildlife refuges”.The science-based agenda of WP has developed the solution to their problems by dividing up North America into “four Continental Wildways [of] large protected corridors of land running coast to coast . . . throughout Canada, the US and Mexico.”

The Eastern Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/eastern-wildway)extending northward from the Everglades along the Appalachians to the Arctic
The Western Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/western-wildway)spanning the continent from Mexico, through the Rockies, to Alaska
The Pacific Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/pacific-wildway)running from Baja to Alaska
The Boreal Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/boreal-wildway)running west-east from Alaska to the Canadian Maritimes across the forest roof of North America

The wildways are “constructed by protecting core areas connected to one another by corridors or linkages. They are essentially mosaics of connected public and private lands that provide habitat and safe passageways for wildlife to travel freely from place to place.”Armed with detailed measures for land use under a new plan, the BLM began designating wild land areas with the assistance of the public planning process (PPP). This set off warning bells to ranchers who believed this scheme was intending to destroy rural communities.Those fears were confirmed with the release of leaked documents outlining how the Obama administration had chosen 14 sites in 9 states “for possible presidential monument declarations.” Areas in states that were given this special designation include, Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, California, Arizona, Oregon, Washington State, and Nevada.One purpose behind this land-grab initiative appears to be for the undisturbed agenda of oil corporations with the deal struck in 2003 that allowed the removal of “protections for 2.6 million acres” in Utah in order that “drilling, mining and other commercial uses” on this protected land could go on.In addition to the wild land designation initiative, the Obama administration is also behind the secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell’s announcement that (http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/newsroom/2014/February/Secretary_Jewell_Announces_Two_Solar_Projects_Appr oved_in_California__Nevada.html)“two solar energy projects located near the Nevada-California border that are expected to supply 550 megawatts of renewable energy, enough to power about 170,000 homes, and support more than 700 jobs through construction and operations.” Jewell explained:
“When President Obama first took office in 2009, there were no solar projects approved on public lands, and no process in place to move forward the hundreds of applications pending from businesses that wanted to harness renewable energy to help power our nation. With today’s milestone of 50 utility-scale renewable energy projects approved on public lands since our standing start in 2009, and with a number of those already producing energy for the nation’s electric grid, our clean energy future is bright.”This scheme reallocates 2,400 acres of public land in Nevada for the use of Stateline Solar Farm Project (SSFP) and the Silver State South Solar Project (SSSP) to build corporate infrastructure within the state. The role of the BLM is to secure this land for corporate interests and ultimately Agenda 21 initiatives in conjunction with “other federal, state and local agencies.” Komze commented on Jewell’s announcement:
“These solar projects reflect exemplary cooperation between the Bureau of Land Management and other federal, state and local agencies, enabling a thorough environmental review and robust mitigation provisions. Secretary Jewell’s commitment to a landscape-level approach represents a responsible balance between the need for renewable energy and our mandate to protect the public’s natural resources.”Susanne Posel, Occupy Corporatsism (http://www.occupycorporatism.com/home/real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-nevada/) http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/13/the-real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-in-nevada/

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The REAL Truth Behind Bundy Ranch Land-Grab in Nevada


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Susanne Posel (OC):

Connections behind the tense situation in Clark County, Nevada, regarding the aggressive seizure of cattle from Cliven Bundy, a private rancher who used public land for grazing purposes, appears to have a direct pathway beyond Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid; involving the Obama administration and international
projects directed under Agenda 21 initiatives.

.http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC-300x168.jpg (http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-Ranch_Nevada_USA_SP_OC.jpg)

Media reports state (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831)that in March, Reid applied “pressure [to] Nevada’s largest power company, NV Energy, to sign up as [ENN Energy Group’s] first customer.”

This deal with ENN and Reid is worth $5 billion for a “solar farm and panel manufacturing plant [to be constructed] in the southern Nevada desert.”In conjunction with this accord, Reid’s son Rory Reid, who is a “prominent Las Vegas [lawyer] that is representing ENN”, and focused on making clean energy projects a specialty at their firm, is assisting the Chinese solar energy corporation in acquiring “a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site . . . well below appraised value from Clark County.”

Interestingly, Neil Kornze, “former senior adviser” to Reid was named (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevadan-named-blm-chief/)the director of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM).For the last 2 decades, the Bundy family in Clark County, Nevada has been involved in judicial battles with the BLM over their grazing rights on public land. The BLM obtained a court order to begin removing Bundy’s cattle from public land under trespassing laws and even was instrumental in the revocation of permits previously held by the Bundy family for multiple generations.

Four years ago, the Obama administration reversed a policy (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101223/ap_on_re_us/us_wilderness_rules)enacted by the former George W. Bush administration, which released millions of under-developed acres of land to be allocated to federal wilderness protection. Then secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar commented that this reversal was righting a policy that “frankly never should have happened.”With the assistance of environmental groups lobbying for the restoration of wilderness areas for protection, the Obama administration began reviewing an estimated 220 million acres for the BLM to assert oversight for under nomination as a “Wild Lands” protected area.

The non-governmental organization (NGO) The Wildlands Project (http://www.twp.org/)(WP) is focusing on American landscape preservation for “future generations to inherit a continent rich in wildlife, with plenty of room for all species to roam.” The WP is purposed with bringing American lands back to “rewilding” which translates to massive areas of land being placed under restrictions called “conservation easements”, “scenic byways”, “protected areas”, “biosphere reserves”, and “wildlife refuges”.

The science-based agenda of WP has developed the solution to their problems by dividing up North America into “four Continental Wildways [of] large protected corridors of land running coast to coast . . . throughout Canada, the US and Mexico.”



The Eastern Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/eastern-wildway)extending northward from the Everglades along the Appalachians to the Arctic
The Western Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/western-wildway)spanning the continent from Mexico, through the Rockies, to Alaska
The Pacific Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/pacific-wildway)running from Baja to Alaska
The Boreal Wildway (http://www.twp.org/wildways/boreal-wildway)running west-east from Alaska to the Canadian Maritimes across the forest roof of North America


The wildways are “constructed by protecting core areas connected to one another by corridors or linkages. They are essentially mosaics of connected public and private lands that provide habitat and safe passageways for wildlife to travel freely from place to place.”

Armed with detailed measures for land use under a new plan, the BLM began designating wild land areas with the assistance of the public planning process (PPP). This set off warning bells to ranchers who believed this scheme was intending to destroy rural communities.

Those fears were confirmed with the release of leaked documents outlining how the Obama administration had chosen 14 sites in 9 states “for possible presidential monument declarations.” Areas in states that were given this special designation include, Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, California, Arizona, Oregon, Washington State, and Nevada.

One purpose behind this land-grab initiative appears to be for the undisturbed agenda of oil corporations with the deal struck in 2003 that allowed the removal of “protections for 2.6 million acres” in Utah in order that “drilling, mining and other commercial uses” on this protected land could go on.

In addition to the wild land designation initiative, the Obama administration is also behind the secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell’s announcement that (http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/newsroom/2014/February/Secretary_Jewell_Announces_Two_Solar_Projects_Appr oved_in_California__Nevada.html)“two solar energy projects located near the Nevada-California border that are expected to supply 550 megawatts of renewable energy, enough to power about 170,000 homes, and support more than 700 jobs through construction and operations.” Jewell explained:


“When President Obama first took office in 2009, there were no solar projects approved on public lands, and no process in place to move forward the hundreds of applications pending from businesses that wanted to harness renewable energy to help power our nation. With today’s milestone of 50 utility-scale renewable energy projects approved on public lands since our standing start in 2009, and with a number of those already producing energy for the nation’s electric grid, our clean energy future is bright.”


This scheme reallocates 2,400 acres of public land in Nevada for the use of Stateline Solar Farm Project (SSFP) and the Silver State South Solar Project (SSSP) to build corporate infrastructure within the state. The role of the BLM is to secure this land for corporate interests and ultimately Agenda 21 initiatives in conjunction with “other federal, state and local agencies.” Komze commented on Jewell’s announcement:


“These solar projects reflect exemplary cooperation between the Bureau of Land Management and other federal, state and local agencies, enabling a thorough environmental review and robust mitigation provisions. Secretary Jewell’s commitment to a landscape-level approach represents a responsible balance between the need for renewable energy and our mandate to protect the public’s natural resources.”


Susanne Posel,

Occupy Corporatsism (http://www.occupycorporatism.com/home/real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-nevada/) http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/13/the-real-truth-behind-bundy-ranch-land-grab-in-nevada/

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Playing the Government’s Game: When It Comes to Violence, We All Lose
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By John W. Whitehead
January 04, 2016


“When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game (https://youtu.be/_oJ9w0x_dzo). The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.”—John Lennon
Yes, the government is corrupt (http://www.gallup.com/poll/185759/widespread-government-corruption.aspx).
Yes, the system is broken. By broken, I mean it’s “dysfunctional, gridlocked (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/02/02/is_the_us_government_really_broken_121395.html), and, in general, incapable of doing what needs to be done.”
Yes, the government is out of control and overreaching (http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/politics-constitutional-decline-government-overreach) on almost every front.
Yes, the government’s excesses—pork barrel spending (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/241304-mccain-highlights-billions-in-wasteful-government-spending), endless wars, etc.—are pushing the nation to a breaking point.
Yes, many Americans are afraid. Who wouldn’t be afraid of an increasingly violent and oppressive federal government (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/17226-americans-fear-government-poll-shows)?
Yes, the citizenry has little protection against standing armies (domestic and military), invasive surveillance, marauding SWAT teams, an overwhelming government arsenal of assault vehicles and firepower, and a barrage of laws that criminalize everything from vegetable gardens to lemonade stands.
Yes, in the eyes of the American surveillance state, “we the people” are little more than suspects and criminals to be monitored, policed, prosecuted and imprisoned. As former law professor John Baker, who has studied the growing problem of overcriminalization, noted, “There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304319804576389601079728920).”
Yes, the United States of America is not the democracy that is purports to be, but rather an oligarchy ruled by a wealthy corporate elite (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/).
Yes, politics is a sham. Average Americans have largely lost all of the conventional markers of influencing government, whether through elections, petition, or protest, have no way to impact their government, no way to be heard, and no assurance that their concerns are truly being represented.
Yes, the Obama administration’s efforts to identify, target and punish “domestic extremists” through the use of surveillance, corporate spies, global police and the Strong Cities network (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-joins-terror-busting-network-strong-cities-article-1.2379297) sends a troubling message to all Americans that any opposition to the government—no matter how benign—will be viewed with suspicion and will likely be treated with hostility.
Yes, we have reached a tipping point. The freedoms we once enjoyed are increasingly being eroded: speech, assembly, association, privacy, etc.
Yes, something needs to be done about the government’s long train of abuses, power grabs, erosion of private property, and overt acts of tyranny.
Yes, many Americans, increasingly dissatisfied with the government and its heavy-handed tactics, are tired of being used and abused and are ready to say “enough is enough.”
No, violence is not the answer.
A handful of armed protesters are not going to fix what’s broken in the government by forcing a showdown with government agents. In fact, this kind of scenario plays right into the government’s hands by provoking a violent confrontation that allows government officials to sanctimoniously justify their use of surveillance, military weaponry and tactics, and laws criminalizing guns and hate speech in order to target anyone who even vaguely resembles an “anti-government extremist.”
Take the latest spectacle in Oregon, for example.
Armed activists led by brothers Ryan and Ammon Bundy have occupied a federal wildlife refuge (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-oregon-militia-members-occupy-federal-building-20160103-story.html). The Bundys (infamous for their 2014 standoff with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing rights on federal land in Nevada) are protesting the government’s prosecution of two ranchers, Dwight and Steven Hammond, who have been sentenced to five years in prison (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/what-spurred-the-armed-occupation-of-a-federal-wildlife-refuge-in-southeast-oregon/) for allegedly setting back fires on government-owned land in Oregon. (Mind you, the government owns more than half the land in Oregon (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-oregon-militia-members-occupy-federal-building-20160103-story.html).)
Few conflicts are ever black and white, and this situation involving the Bundys, the Hammonds and the BLM (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/what-spurred-the-armed-occupation-of-a-federal-wildlife-refuge-in-southeast-oregon/) is no exception. Yet the issue is not whether the Hammonds are arsonists as the government claims, or whether the Bundys are anti-government extremists as the government claims, or even whether ranchers should have their access to government-owned lands regulated as the BLM claims.
No, as I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People (http://www.amazon.com/Battlefield-America-War-American-People/dp/1590793099), the larger question at play here is who owns—or controls—the government: is it “we the people” or private corporations?
Are American citizens shareholders of the government’s vast repositories, or are we merely serfs and tenant farmers in bondage to corporate overlords? Do we have a say in how the government is run, or are we merely on the receiving end of the government’s dictates? What recourse do we have if we don’t approve of the government’s actions?
Almost every struggle between the citizenry and the government is, at its core, about whether we are masters or slaves in this constantly evolving relationship with the government.


Do parents have a right to allow their children to play outside alone (http://www.salon.com/2015/05/07/screw_the_police_and_the_busybodies_a_free_range_p arent_manifesto_let_your_kids_play_outside_by_them selves/), or must they abide by the government’s dictates about how to raise their families?



Do homeowners have a right to manage their private property as they see fit (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/266130/overcriminalized-america-mahsa-saeidi-azcu), whether it’s with solar panels, vegetable gardens or rain barrels, or must they first seek the permission of the government?



Do activists have a right to freely associate with one another, assemble in public, and voice their opinions publicly or privately (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/01/03/heres-what-you-can-no-longer-say-on-twitter/), or must they be constrained by what the government and its corporate partners deem to be appropriate?



Do residents of a community have to obey whatever a police officer says (https://reason.com/blog/2014/08/19/police-officer-if-you-dont-want-to-get-s), lawful or not, or do Americans have a right to resist an unlawful order without getting shot or arrested?

It doesn’t matter what the issue is—whether it’s a rancher standing his ground over grazing rights, a minister jailed for holding a Bible study in his own home, or a community outraged over police shootings of unarmed citizens—these are the building blocks of a political powder keg.
Much like the heated protests that arose after the police shootings in Ferguson and Baltimore, there’s a subtext to the Oregon incident that must not be ignored, and it is simply this: America is a pressure cooker with no steam valve, and things are about to blow.
This is what happens when a parasitical government muzzles the citizenry, fences them in, herds them, brands them, whips them into submission, forces them to ante up the sweat of their brows while giving them little in return, and then provides them with little to no outlet for voicing their discontent.
As psychologist Erich Fromm recognized in his insightful book, On Civil Disobedience: “If a man can only obey and not disobey, he is a slave; if he can only disobey and not obey, he is a rebel (not a revolutionary). He acts out of anger, disappointment, resentment, yet not in the name of a conviction or a principle.”
Let me say it again: an armed occupation of a government property only plays right into the government’s hands and increases its power over the citizenry. Yet it speaks to a growing tension over how to bring about meaningful change when dealing with a government that refuses to listen to its citizens.
This is what happens when people get desperate, when citizens lose hope, and when lawful, nonviolent alternatives appear pointless.
Whether the parties involved are blameless or not, whether they’re using the wrong tactics or not, whether their agendas are selfless or not, this is the face of a nation undergoing a nervous breakdown on all fronts.
Now all that remains is a spark, and it need not be a very big one, to set the whole powder keg aflame.
The government has been anticipating and preparing for such an explosion for years. For example, in 2008, a U.S. Army War College report (http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/Report_Military_may_have_to_quell_1229.html) warned that the military must be prepared for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,” which could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse,” “purposeful domestic resistance,” “pervasive public health emergencies” or “loss of functioning political and legal order”—all related to dissent and protests over America’s economic and political disarray. Consequently, predicted the report, the “widespread civil violence would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.”
In 2009, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released two reports, one on “Rightwing Extremism (http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf),” which broadly defines rightwing extremists as individuals and groups “that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely,” and one on “Leftwing Extremism (http://fas.org/irp/eprint/leftwing.pdf),” which labeled environmental and animal rights activist groups as extremists.
Incredibly, both reports use the words terrorist and extremist interchangeably.
That same year, the DHS launched Operation Vigilant Eagle (http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123992665198727459), which calls for surveillance of military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, characterizing them as extremists and potential domestic terrorist threats because they may be “disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war.” These reports indicate that for the government, anyone seen as opposing the government—whether they’re Left, Right or somewhere in between—can be labeled an extremist. Under such a definition, John Lennon, Martin Luther King Jr., Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson and Samuel Adams—all of whom protested and passionately spoke out against government practices with which they disagreed—would be prime targets.
Fast forward a few years, and you have the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which President Obama has continually re-upped, that allows the military to take you out of your home, lock you up with no access to friends, family or the courts if you’re seen as an extremist. Now connect the dots, from the 2009 Extremism reports to the NDAA and the UN’s Strong Cities Network with its globalized police forces, the National Security Agency’s far-reaching surveillance networks, and fusion centers that collect and share surveillance data between local, state and federal police agencies.
Add in tens of thousands of armed, surveillance drones that will soon blanket American skies, facial recognition technology that will identify and track you wherever you go and whatever you do. And then to complete the circle, toss in the real-time crime centers being deployed in cities across the country, which will be attempting to “predict” crimes and identify criminals before they happen based on widespread surveillance, complex mathematical algorithms and prognostication programs.
Hopefully you’re getting the picture, which is how easy it is for the government to identify, label and target individuals as “extremist.”
All that we have been subjected to in recent years—living under the shadow of NSA spying; motorists strip searched and anally probed on the side of the road; innocent Americans spied upon while going about their daily business in schools and stores; homeowners having their doors kicked in by militarized SWAT teams serving routine warrants—illustrates how the government deals with people it views as potential “extremists”: with heavy-handed tactics designed to intimidate the populace into submission and discourage anyone from stepping out of line or challenging the status quo.
What we’re grappling with is a double standard in what the government metes out to the citizenry, and how the citizenry is supposed to treat the government.
SWAT teams can crash through our doors without impunity, but if we dare to defend ourselves against unknown government assailants, we’ll be shot or jailed.
Government agents can confiscate our homes, impound our cars and seize our bank accounts on the slightest suspicion of wrongdoing, but we’ll face jail time and fines for refusing to pay taxes in support of government programs with which we might disagree.
Government spies can listen in on our phone calls, read our emails and text messages, track our movements, photograph our license plates, and even enter our biometric information into DNA databases, but those who dare to film potential police misconduct will likely get roughed up by the police, arrested, and charged with violating various and sundry crimes.
This phenomenon is what philosopher Abraham Kaplan referred to as the law of the instrument, which essentially says that to a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In the scenario that has been playing out in recent years, we the citizenry have become the nails to be hammered by the government’s battalion of laws and law enforcers: its police officers, technicians, bureaucrats, spies, snitches, inspectors, accountants, etc.
This is exactly what those who drafted the U.S. Constitution feared: that laws and law enforcers would be used as tools by a despotic government to wage war against the citizenry.
That is exactly what we are witnessing today: a war against the American citizenry.
Is it any wonder then that Americans are starting to resist?
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Citizen's Toolbox: What You Can Do to Save America
By John Whitehead
Where do we fit in? Do we have any say in what happens in our nation? Can we write our own ending? Or are we nothing more than actors in a play whose ending has already been determined? I, for one, believe that as long as there is a spark of freedom left, there is hope. As the poet Charles Bukowski writes, “a spark can set a whole forest on fire.” Our country may be in deep trouble, but there is still something that can be done to remedy the problems. It is understandable that many Americans feel overwhelmed, powerless and discouraged in the face of the government’s expansive powers, unlimited resources and military might. Even so, that is no excuse for standing silently on the sidelines.
There is no better time to act than the present. Fear, apathy and escapism will not carry the day. It is within our power to make a difference and seek corrective measures. Yet it is not merely that we should make a difference. Rather, we are compelled—required, if you will—to attempt in a nonviolent way to make a difference. We must be willing, if need be, to stand and fight.
The old African proverb “even an ant can harm an elephant” speaks to the power of the people to stand against even the mightiest of opponents. The thick-skinned elephant is impervious to most insects and can trample countless ant colonies with its massive form. Yet a single ant will drive an elephant mad if it crawls into the elephant’s trunk. If a tiny ant can create such chaos by targeting this vulnerability, imagine what an army of ants—or a nation of dissenters—could achieve.
I should warn you, that there is no 10-step plan to revolution, no top-10 list of issues that must be challenged and no easy formula for success. As any activist can tell you, each situation is often completely without precedent. Nevertheless, the key to making a difference is in understanding that the first step begins with you. As Mahatma Gandhi said, “We need to be the change we wish to see in the world.”
What Can You Do?While there is no “how to” book for taking a stand against the loss of our freedoms and effectively resisting authoritarianism, there are certain things that are common to every successful struggle.
1. Get educated. Before you can stand and fight, you must understand what you’re fighting for and what you will be going up against. Without knowledge, very little can be accomplished. Thus, you must know your rights. Take time to read the Constitution, something very few Americans have ever done. Study and understand history because the tales of those who seek power and those who resist them, as you will see, is an age-old one. The Declaration of Independence is a testament to this struggle and the revolutionary spirit that overcame tyranny. Understand the vital issues of the day so that you can be cognizant of the threats to freedom. Stay informed about current events and legislation by way of television, the Internet and a variety of newspapers.
2. Get involved. One of the most important contributions an individual citizen can make is to become actively involved in local community affairs, politics and legal battles. As the adage goes, “Think globally, act locally.” America was meant to be primarily a system of local governments, which is a far cry from the colossal federal bureaucracy we have today. Yet if our freedoms are to be restored, understanding what is transpiring practically in your own backyard—in one’s home, neighborhood, school district, town council—and taking action at that local level must be the starting point. Responding to unmet local needs and reacting to injustices is what grassroots activism is all about. Getting involved in local politics is one way to bring about change. This could mean running for office, attending and becoming actively involved in party conventions where grass-roots decisions are made or serving on various commissions or political committees. I have seen instances where one person sitting on a local city council or zoning commission tipped the balance on crucial issues.
Short of running for office, personal contact with your local, state and public officials is vital. Seek out opportunities to voice your concerns and call on your government representatives to account for their actions. Call, write letters, sign petitions, visit their offices—do whatever it takes to get their attention and remind them that they are your representative and, thus, accountable to you. In all my years of working with various members of Congress, it has never ceased to amaze me how little input these men and women receive from the average citizen before casting their vote on legislation that will inevitably impact their constituents. One of the most powerful tools available to the individual, and individuals organized as a group, is the ballot box. If your representatives do not heed your advice on the central issues, then work to unseat them. This may involve running your own candidate. In this way, the ordinary citizen can affect the political process. Do not, however, make the mistake of thinking that politics is the only avenue for enacting change. Sometimes, you will need to take direct action rather than waiting on the bureaucrats to make a move. For example, establish a soup kitchen or shelter to help the poor. Start a recycling and street clean-up program to address problems with pollution and waste management.
3. Get organized. In going up against a more powerful adversary, it is critical that you understand your strengths and weaknesses and tap into your resources. Remember the analogy of the elephant and the ant: you can overcome the behemoth with enough cunning, skill and organization. Play to your strengths and assets. Conduct strategy sessions to develop both the methods and ways to attack the elephant. Prioritize your issues and battles. Don’t limit yourself to protests and paper petitions. Think outside the box. Time is short, and resources are limited, so use your resources in the way they count the most.
4. Be creative. Be bold and imaginative, for this is guerilla warfare—not to be fought with tanks and guns but through creative methods of dissent and resistance. Creatively responding to circumstances will often be one of your few resources if you are to be an effective agent of change. Every creative effort, no matter how small, is significant. As Jason Salzman points out in his book Making the News, “you need to nurture a war-room attitude, infused with creativity.” Salzman asks,
Would you dress in a pink ostrich costume and tell politicians to get their heads out of the sand? Or, if you were kicked out of a mall for breast-feeding, would you fight back and stage a “breast-feed-in” with forty nursing moms—and the media—in tow?…. If you opposed the Iraq war, would you find forty-nine other people, strip naked, and spell “peace” with your bodies? Would you deliver manure to politicians and tell them they are full of !!**@??!!.”
You might be hesitant to do such things, but others, as you will see, were not. They succeeded in getting their point across when more traditional methods might have been less effective. This is what it means to think outside of the box. Even with limited resources, such creative acts will not only get people’s attention, they will also attract the media’s attention and help you get your message to a larger audience. “The most imaginative and theatrical people are going to win,” remarked Colin Covert, a feature reporter at the Star Tribune in Minneapolis. “Don’t expect good intentions to get you space. The fact that you’re trying to fight cancer is great, but it’s not news. If you do something interesting, we’ll write about it.”
5. Use the media. Effective use of the media is essential. Attracting media coverage not only enhances and magnifies your efforts, it is also a valuable education tool. It publicizes your message to a much wider audience. It is through the media—television, newspapers, Internet sites, bloggers and so on—that people find out about your growing resistance movement. Media coverage also alerts the people to many issues they may not otherwise know about. As Salzman notes, “Successful media campaigns are, above all else, entertaining. That doesn’t necessarily mean amusing. In fact, some successful media campaigns are disgusting. But whether amusing or disgusting—they are engaging, and that is the key synonym for entertainment in the news business.”
Examples abound of individuals who use creative methods to raise awareness and get their message heard. For instance, it was New York’s Working Families Party that dressed an activist as an ostrich to illustrate how various politicians have their “heads in the sand” over various issues such as the economy. Hoping to raise awareness about the unfairness of their high utility bills, residents of a semi-rural area in Oregon attempted to pay their bills in pennies, chickens and the shirts off their backs. A local TV station caught it on film. The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence generated national coverage when it assembled 40,000 pairs of shoes of citizens killed by guns on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. An ordinary rally might not have been half as effective. In these ways, as Salzman rightly notes, activists move “social ills from behind locked doors into the public domain—into our communal backyard.”
6. Start brushfires for freedom. Take heart that you are not alone. You come from a long, historic line of individuals who have put their beliefs and lives on the line to keep freedom alive. What’s more, recognize that you don’t have to go it alone. Engage those around you in discussions about issues of importance. Challenge them to be part of a national dialogue. As I have often said, one person at a city planning meeting with a protest sign is an irritant. Three individuals at the same meeting with the same sign are a movement. You will find that those in power fear and respect numbers. This is not to say that lone crusaders are not important. There are times when you will find yourself totally alone in the stand you take. However, an army of ants creates the impression that not only are you not alone, but that something bigger is involved. There is power in numbers. Politicians understand this. So get out there and start drumming up support for your cause.
7. Take action. Be prepared to mobilize at a moment’s notice. It doesn’t matter who you are, where you’re located or what resources are at your disposal. What matters is that you recognize the problems and care enough to do something about them. Whether you’re 8, 28 or 88 years old, you have something unique to contribute. Radford Lyons certainly did his part to raise awareness about contaminated well water in Pike County, Kentucky. Appearing at a public hearing where a debate was underway over extending water lines out to homes in an area of contaminated wells, the 8-year-old pressed the point home when he offered hearing officials free lemonade made from the contaminated well water. By the end of the hearing, one official had promised to have the lines constructed. As young Radford proved, you don’t have to be a hero. You just have to show up and be ready to take action.
8. Be forward-looking. Beware of being so “in the moment” that you neglect to think of the bigger picture. Develop a vision for the future. Is what you’re hoping to achieve enduring? Have you developed a plan to continue to educate others about the problems you’re hoping to tackle and ensure that others will continue in your stead? Take the time to impart the value of freedom to younger generations, for they will be at the vanguard of these battles someday.
9. Develop fortitude. What is it that led to the successful protest movements of the past headed by people such as Martin Luther King? Resolve. King refused to be put off. And when the time came, he was willing to take to the streets for what he believed and even go to jail if necessary. King risked having an arrest record by committing acts of nonviolent civil disobedience. That’s how much Martin Luther King cared about his fellow human beings. He was willing to sacrifice himself. But first, he had to develop the intestinal fortitude to give him the strength to stand and fight. If you decide that you don’t have the requisite fortitude, find someone who does and back them. A caveat is appropriate here. Before resorting to nonviolent civil disobedience, all reasonable alternatives should be exhausted. If there is an opportunity to alter the course of events through normal channels (for example, negotiation, legal action or legislation), they should be attempted.
10. Be selfless and sacrificial. Freedom is not free—there is always a price to be paid and a sacrifice to be made. If any movement is to be truly successful, it must be manned by individuals who seek a greater good and do not waver from their purposes. It will take boldness, courage and great sacrifice. Rarely will fame, power and riches be found at the end of this particular road. Those who travel it inevitably find the way marked by hardship, persecution and strife. Yet there is no easy way. As the abolitionist Frederick Douglass remarked in an 1857 speech:
The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.
11. Remain optimistic and keep hope alive. Although our rights are increasingly coming under attack, we still have certain freedoms. We can still fight back. We have the right to dissent, to protest and even to vigorously criticize or oppose the government and its laws. The Constitution guarantees us these rights. In a country such as the United States, a citizen armed with a knowledge of the Bill of Rights and the fortitude to stand and fight can be that single ant that overcomes the elephant. But it will mean speaking out when others are silent.
It won’t be easy, but take heart. And don’t give up. Practice persistence, along with perseverance, and the possibilities are endless. You can be the voice of reason. Use your voice to encourage others. Much can be accomplished by merely speaking out. Oftentimes, all it takes is one lone voice to get things started. So if you really care and you’re serious and want to help change things for the better, dust off your First Amendment tools and take a stand—even if it means being ostracized by those who would otherwise support you.

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Citizen's Toolbox: What You Can Do to Save America


By John Whitehead

Where do we fit in? Do we have any say in what happens in our nation? Can we write our own ending? Or are we nothing more than actors in a play whose ending has already been determined? I, for one, believe that as long as there is a spark of freedom left, there is hope. As the poet Charles Bukowski writes, “a spark can set a whole forest on fire.” Our country may be in deep trouble, but there is still something that can be done to remedy the problems. It is understandable that many Americans feel overwhelmed, powerless and discouraged in the face of the government’s expansive powers, unlimited resources and military might. Even so, that is no excuse for standing silently on the sidelines.

There is no better time to act than the present. Fear, apathy and escapism will not carry the day. It is within our power to make a difference and seek corrective measures. Yet it is not merely that we should make a difference. Rather, we are compelled—required, if you will—to attempt in a nonviolent way to make a difference. We must be willing, if need be, to stand and fight.

The old African proverb “even an ant can harm an elephant” speaks to the power of the people to stand against even the mightiest of opponents. The thick-skinned elephant is impervious to most insects and can trample countless ant colonies with its massive form. Yet a single ant will drive an elephant mad if it crawls into the elephant’s trunk. If a tiny ant can create such chaos by targeting this vulnerability, imagine what an army of ants—or a nation of dissenters—could achieve.
I should warn you, that there is no 10-step plan to revolution, no top-10 list of issues that must be challenged and no easy formula for success. As any activist can tell you, each situation is often completely without precedent. Nevertheless, the key to making a difference is in understanding that the first step begins with you. As Mahatma Gandhi said, “We need to be the change we wish to see in the world.”

What Can You Do?

While there is no “how to” book for taking a stand against the loss of our freedoms and effectively resisting authoritarianism, there are certain things that are common to every successful struggle.

1. Get educated. Before you can stand and fight, you must understand what you’re fighting for and what you will be going up against. Without knowledge, very little can be accomplished. Thus, you must know your rights. Take time to read the Constitution, something very few Americans have ever done. Study and understand history because the tales of those who seek power and those who resist them, as you will see, is an age-old one. The Declaration of Independence is a testament to this struggle and the revolutionary spirit that overcame tyranny. Understand the vital issues of the day so that you can be cognizant of the threats to freedom. Stay informed about current events and legislation by way of television, the Internet and a variety of newspapers.

2. Get involved. One of the most important contributions an individual citizen can make is to become actively involved in local community affairs, politics and legal battles. As the adage goes, “Think globally, act locally.” America was meant to be primarily a system of local governments, which is a far cry from the colossal federal bureaucracy we have today. Yet if our freedoms are to be restored, understanding what is transpiring practically in your own backyard—in one’s home, neighborhood, school district, town council—and taking action at that local level must be the starting point. Responding to unmet local needs and reacting to injustices is what grassroots activism is all about. Getting involved in local politics is one way to bring about change. This could mean running for office, attending and becoming actively involved in party conventions where grass-roots decisions are made or serving on various commissions or political committees. I have seen instances where one person sitting on a local city council or zoning commission tipped the balance on crucial issues.
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Short of running for office, personal contact with your local, state and public officials is vital. Seek out opportunities to voice your concerns and call on your government representatives to account for their actions. Call, write letters, sign petitions, visit their offices—do whatever it takes to get their attention and remind them that they are your representative and, thus, accountable to you. In all my years of working with various members of Congress, it has never ceased to amaze me how little input these men and women receive from the average citizen before casting their vote on legislation that will inevitably impact their constituents. One of the most powerful tools available to the individual, and individuals organized as a group, is the ballot box. If your representatives do not heed your advice on the central issues, then work to unseat them. This may involve running your own candidate. In this way, the ordinary citizen can affect the political process. Do not, however, make the mistake of thinking that politics is the only avenue for enacting change. Sometimes, you will need to take direct action rather than waiting on the bureaucrats to make a move. For example, establish a soup kitchen or shelter to help the poor. Start a recycling and street clean-up program to address problems with pollution and waste management.

3. Get organized. In going up against a more powerful adversary, it is critical that you understand your strengths and weaknesses and tap into your resources. Remember the analogy of the elephant and the ant: you can overcome the behemoth with enough cunning, skill and organization. Play to your strengths and assets. Conduct strategy sessions to develop both the methods and ways to attack the elephant. Prioritize your issues and battles. Don’t limit yourself to protests and paper petitions. Think outside the box. Time is short, and resources are limited, so use your resources in the way they count the most.

4. Be creative. Be bold and imaginative, for this is guerilla warfare—not to be fought with tanks and guns but through creative methods of dissent and resistance. Creatively responding to circumstances will often be one of your few resources if you are to be an effective agent of change. Every creative effort, no matter how small, is significant. As Jason Salzman points out in his book Making the News, “you need to nurture a war-room attitude, infused with creativity.” Salzman asks,
Would you dress in a pink ostrich costume and tell politicians to get their heads out of the sand? Or, if you were kicked out of a mall for breast-feeding, would you fight back and stage a “breast-feed-in” with forty nursing moms—and the media—in tow?…. If you opposed the Iraq war, would you find forty-nine other people, strip naked, and spell “peace” with your bodies? Would you deliver manure to politicians and tell them they are full of !!**@??!!.”

You might be hesitant to do such things, but others, as you will see, were not. They succeeded in getting their point across when more traditional methods might have been less effective. This is what it means to think outside of the box. Even with limited resources, such creative acts will not only get people’s attention, they will also attract the media’s attention and help you get your message to a larger audience. “The most imaginative and theatrical people are going to win,” remarked Colin Covert, a feature reporter at the Star Tribune in Minneapolis. “Don’t expect good intentions to get you space. The fact that you’re trying to fight cancer is great, but it’s not news. If you do something interesting, we’ll write about it.”

5. Use the media. Effective use of the media is essential. Attracting media coverage not only enhances and magnifies your efforts, it is also a valuable education tool. It publicizes your message to a much wider audience. It is through the media—television, newspapers, Internet sites, bloggers and so on—that people find out about your growing resistance movement. Media coverage also alerts the people to many issues they may not otherwise know about. As Salzman notes, “Successful media campaigns are, above all else, entertaining. That doesn’t necessarily mean amusing. In fact, some successful media campaigns are disgusting. But whether amusing or disgusting—they are engaging, and that is the key synonym for entertainment in the news business.”

Examples abound of individuals who use creative methods to raise awareness and get their message heard. For instance, it was New York’s Working Families Party that dressed an activist as an ostrich to illustrate how various politicians have their “heads in the sand” over various issues such as the economy. Hoping to raise awareness about the unfairness of their high utility bills, residents of a semi-rural area in Oregon attempted to pay their bills in pennies, chickens and the shirts off their backs. A local TV station caught it on film. The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence generated national coverage when it assembled 40,000 pairs of shoes of citizens killed by guns on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. An ordinary rally might not have been half as effective. In these ways, as Salzman rightly notes, activists move “social ills from behind locked doors into the public domain—into our communal backyard.”

6. Start brushfires for freedom. Take heart that you are not alone. You come from a long, historic line of individuals who have put their beliefs and lives on the line to keep freedom alive. What’s more, recognize that you don’t have to go it alone. Engage those around you in discussions about issues of importance. Challenge them to be part of a national dialogue. As I have often said, one person at a city planning meeting with a protest sign is an irritant. Three individuals at the same meeting with the same sign are a movement. You will find that those in power fear and respect numbers. This is not to say that lone crusaders are not important. There are times when you will find yourself totally alone in the stand you take. However, an army of ants creates the impression that not only are you not alone, but that something bigger is involved. There is power in numbers. Politicians understand this. So get out there and start drumming up support for your cause.

7. Take action. Be prepared to mobilize at a moment’s notice. It doesn’t matter who you are, where you’re located or what resources are at your disposal. What matters is that you recognize the problems and care enough to do something about them. Whether you’re 8, 28 or 88 years old, you have something unique to contribute. Radford Lyons certainly did his part to raise awareness about contaminated well water in Pike County, Kentucky. Appearing at a public hearing where a debate was underway over extending water lines out to homes in an area of contaminated wells, the 8-year-old pressed the point home when he offered hearing officials free lemonade made from the contaminated well water. By the end of the hearing, one official had promised to have the lines constructed. As young Radford proved, you don’t have to be a hero. You just have to show up and be ready to take action.

8. Be forward-looking. Beware of being so “in the moment” that you neglect to think of the bigger picture. Develop a vision for the future. Is what you’re hoping to achieve enduring? Have you developed a plan to continue to educate others about the problems you’re hoping to tackle and ensure that others will continue in your stead? Take the time to impart the value of freedom to younger generations, for they will be at the vanguard of these battles someday.

9. Develop fortitude. What is it that led to the successful protest movements of the past headed by people such as Martin Luther King? Resolve. King refused to be put off. And when the time came, he was willing to take to the streets for what he believed and even go to jail if necessary. King risked having an arrest record by committing acts of nonviolent civil disobedience. That’s how much Martin Luther King cared about his fellow human beings. He was willing to sacrifice himself. But first, he had to develop the intestinal fortitude to give him the strength to stand and fight. If you decide that you don’t have the requisite fortitude, find someone who does and back them. A caveat is appropriate here. Before resorting to nonviolent civil disobedience, all reasonable alternatives should be exhausted. If there is an opportunity to alter the course of events through normal channels (for example, negotiation, legal action or legislation), they should be attempted.

10. Be selfless and sacrificial. Freedom is not free—there is always a price to be paid and a sacrifice to be made. If any movement is to be truly successful, it must be manned by individuals who seek a greater good and do not waver from their purposes. It will take boldness, courage and great sacrifice. Rarely will fame, power and riches be found at the end of this particular road. Those who travel it inevitably find the way marked by hardship, persecution and strife. Yet there is no easy way. As the abolitionist Frederick Douglass remarked in an 1857 speech:

The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

11. Remain optimistic and keep hope alive. Although our rights are increasingly coming under attack, we still have certain freedoms. We can still fight back. We have the right to dissent, to protest and even to vigorously criticize or oppose the government and its laws. The Constitution guarantees us these rights. In a country such as the United States, a citizen armed with a knowledge of the Bill of Rights and the fortitude to stand and fight can be that single ant that overcomes the elephant. But it will mean speaking out when others are silent.

It won’t be easy, but take heart. And don’t give up. Practice persistence, along with perseverance, and the possibilities are endless. You can be the voice of reason. Use your voice to encourage others. Much can be accomplished by merely speaking out. Oftentimes, all it takes is one lone voice to get things started. So if you really care and you’re serious and want to help change things for the better, dust off your First Amendment tools and take a stand—even if it means being ostracized by those who would otherwise support you.

[Bigjon]

I think Anna says it best and it does not mean you have to do anything illegal, the law is on our side. The Republic is still our law, the law of the land, NOT the sea where we are now.




Essential Knowledge for Every American to Know from Judge Anna

Every time you incorporate anything you take it off the land and out from under the Law of the Land --including the Constitution-- and place it in the international jurisdiction of the sea and under the Law of the Sea.

The perpetrators responsible for the mess this country is in incorporated the federal governmental services corporation doing business as The United States of America (Inc.) in 1868 and began using it as a false front for racketeering. By 1965 all the unincorporated State governments had been seduced by bribery and promises of “federal revenue sharing” --- that is, kickbacks from federal corporate racketeering --- to incorporate as federal municipal franchises. The counties then followed suit to get their share of the loot. This is why when you are “presumed” to “reside” in these counties and States you can’t access the Law of the Land, can’t access the protections and guarantees of the Constitution, and can’t access the Common Law. This is also why Common Law disappeared from the courts and the reason that the Constitution and the other Organic Laws are not being enforced.

Once the main governmental services corporation was set up and all their “State” and “County” franchises were established, everyone whose job it was to enforce the Organic and Public Laws of this country were “re-tasked” like flipping a switch to enforce the private statutory law and Public Policies of the corporations responsible for this travesty instead.

This doesn’t mean that our Organic Law including our Constitution disappeared, nor our Public Law embodied by the United States Statutes-at-Large, either --- it just means that all the people you hired and paid and relied upon to uphold and enforce the actual law of this country were instead commandeered to do the petty bidding of corporate managers and kept busy enforcing private corporate statutes and codes and regulations instead.

Instead of representing you and your best interests, all the people you elected for that purpose were tasked to benefit and act in the best interests of the governmental services corporation and all its “State” and “County” franchises instead.

This is why government has just continued to get richer and more powerful and more out of control while you have been harassed and defrauded and this entire country has been run as a den of thieves for a hundred years.

This change of government from national to international status changes your “presumed” political status from that of one of the “free, sovereign and independent people” to that of a “person” --- an incorporated entity and vessel in commerce.

FDR created millions of Foreign Situs Trusts merely named after living Americans and named these incorporated “persons” as sureties for the debts of the bankrupt United States of America, Inc.. Your name was thus “enfranchised” – like a Dairy Queen franchise – presumed to belong as an asset to a bankrupt parent corporation and also presumed to be standing good for its debts.

This “public trust” was named after you using the same name you were taught to use in school and which appears on all your various records, so that there was no way to distinguish between the “public trust person” and the “private natural person”.

It was then easy for the criminals to address bills actually owed by the “public trust” they named after you-- to you, and force you to pay those bills “as if” they were your bills. It’s an odd combination of identity theft, credit fraud, mail fraud, and constructive fraud practiced on an unimaginably large and institutionalized scale.

After that, the International Monetary Fund took over the governmental services contract and began operating the UNITED STATES (INC.) and its STATE OF WYOMING and similar municipal franchises. They, too, set up “individual franchises” named after you. These were set up as Cestui Que Vie Trusts operated under your given name styled in ALL CAPS like this: SUSAN MARIE JEFFORDS.

All these trusts were “born” on the land, but then “removed” to Puerto Rico--- as if you were a snowbird who moved there for fun.

This brought this “PUBLIC TRUST” under the foreign Territorial Law of Puerto Rico.

The monsters were thus enabled to send bills to “Susan Marie Jeffords” and to “SUSAN MARIE JEFFORDS” and poor old Sue back home kept paying them, faithfully, or she got thrown into court and harassed and fined and sentenced to jail time for failure to do so.

They were also able to invoke administrative law by pretending that the victim was one of their franchise owners, or Territorial Law by pretending that the victim was living in Puerto Rico.

Just this past March the UNITED STATES (INC.) went insolvent, and right on time, Barack Hussein Obama announced that a whole new tribe of public franchises named after living Americans was to be created.

This time, they named Puerto Rican public transmitting utilities after you, resulting in names that are still styled in ALL CAPS, but only using middle initials, like this: SUSAN M. JEFFORDS.

This is what is known as a “non-specific name”--- because nobody knows what the “M” stands for and therefore, nobody can know for sure who is being addressed. Is it Susan Marie Jeffords? Susan Marylynn Jeffords? Susan Margaret Jeffords?

Meanwhile the innocent victim of all this corporate legal chicanery labors on, paying every bill that comes in the mail. And the vicious racketeers responsible for this keep churning out more “laws” for her to obey and racking up more and more debt against her credit and her assets.

Now that you all have a bird’s-eye view of how this has been accomplished and you are rightfully ready to take action in your own behalf, there are a number of things you can do.

First and foremost you can share this information with all the people responsible for this circumstance ---- the members of “Congress”, the “State” legislators, the “County” and “Borough” officials, the local “City Council” and “Assembly” members, the members of the Bar Associations, the local and state and federal police, the FBI, the DHS, and military --- everyone who is at fault for letting this happen in the first place and for continuing to perpetuate it.

This is NOT the government you are OWED and which you PAID for. Now that you know what happened, how it was done, and who is at fault, it is up to you and your friends and neighbors --- including every honest man or woman involved at any level of the present “government” --- to correct it. Let’s all note that once this circumstance is fully understood by enough Americans, nobody will want to be associated in any way with the criminality and ugliness of the past and its swindles. It will no longer be fashionable in the Beltway to refer to us as “livestock”.

So, second, your next task is to reorganize things for your benefit. Send the U.S. Secretary of State and the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury a Registered Letter autographed and thumb-printed by you informing both of them that you are expatriating to your birthright political status and require them to discharge any liens, mortgages, titles held under color of law, or other outstanding debts being held or accrued under your given name.
Also ask them to unblock your accounts, deliver an account statement, correct their records, and provide an appropriate and truthful international passport for your use.

Third, get busy reorganizing your local county government as an unincorporated Body Politic on the land. Your first step is to call public meetings, explain the problem, hold elections, fill the vacant public offices, and begin enforcing the Organic and Public Laws of this country again.
At a minimum you will want to elect a county land recorder, public notaries, justices of the peace, judges at Common Law, court clerk, bailiff, coroner, and most important, the County Sheriff on the Land.

Once elected and properly installed in his rightful Public Office, the Sheriff is enabled to deputize as many able-bodied men as needed to ensure enforcement. Just as you can’t force the rats to immediately dissolve their incorporated “States” and “Counties”, they can’t deny or impede your right to exercise the jurisdiction of the land and the Public Offices you are owed.
The County Sheriffs operating the land jurisdiction can now begin enforcement of the actual Law and the County Courts can inform the U.S. District Courts that American Common Law Courts are up and running in the Federal Postal Districts and their “services” are no longer needed per Milligan Ex Parte.

Fourth, now that you have declared your proper political status and have your county governments back up and running as unincorporated associations of free people, you are in position to gather the counties and sponsor state elections and fill the vacant state offices, too.

Fifth, you are now in a position to select trustworthy Deputies (accountable Fiduciary Officers, not “Representatives”) to represent your unincorporated States of America at a true Continental Congress (not a “United States Congress” which is supposed to deal only with international affairs related to providing nineteen enumerated services) and take care of long overdue business—such as officially recognizing and enrolling the western states of the Union and settling their land assets in their possession.

This hasn’t been done because although they are owed the state compacts and are treated “as” states, no actual Congress having the power to enroll these new states has been seated since 1860.

Their land assets have remained in limbo, as public trust property controlled by the UNITED STATES and federal STATES. All this may seem overwhelming at first, but consider this --- you are the heirs of the Republic.

It has come down to you the same way you might inherit a house. It’s yours now. You are the ones responsible for fixing it up, remodeling it, defining it, building it, and making it fit to live in again.

You don’t have to worry about violating archaic laws or agonize over what is passed and gone. Spend your energy now on creating a new vision for an America that is at peace, prosperous, and free of British meddling at last.
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See this article and over 100 others on Anna's website here: www.annavonreitz.com (http://www.annavonreitz.com/)

[midnight rambler]

In case it hasn't dawned on you yet, the first roadblock/traffic stop was strictly there to 'flush 'em out', i.e. get the victims to run to the next roadblock set up just past a blind curve where the killers had set up their kill zone aka 'lying in wait'.

[Ares]

NEW analysis of LAVOY FINICUM'S murder - each shooter numbered and magnified.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeGzBBYYKYo

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeGzBBYYKYo

[midnight rambler]

Looks like the holdouts at the refuge are about to be hit within the next 48-72 hours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eszakx62W7s

[Tumbleweed]

Here's another video done by "Little angel" that could be of a pistol being tossed to one of the killers to plant on Lavoy.
It's easier to see if you go to youtube and put it on full screen.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YyBK_ANrbA

[Tumbleweed]

And another one by "little angel" that may show a bullet hitting the windshield before Lavoy swerves off the road. Same thing as before it's easier to see if you go to youtube and put it on full screen.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwtGLdMf3oU

[midnight rambler]

Here's another video done by "Little angel" that could be of a pistol being tossed to one of the killers to plant on Lavoy.
It's easier to see if you go to youtube and put it on full screen.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YyBK_ANrbA


The report was that the 9mm 'found' on LaVoy had been reported STOLEN* years ago...AS IF LaVoy would buy a gun with a questionable history (when he clearly preferred his .45 revolver).

*guns which have been reported stolen make the best throw-down guns

[monty]

Ammon Bundy speaks from Portland jail Feb. 4


http://youtu.be/ciaHp8vnH80

[cheka.]

video of feds shooting out lavoy's windshield: https://youtu.be/WqlllZ_Px48

[JohnQPublic]

This story is dying too fast. It is an important story (regardless of your opinion on it).

[JohnQPublic]

Ammon Bundy speaks from Portland jail Feb. 4


http://youtu.be/ciaHp8vnH80

What happened to the video? I did see it.

[Shami-Amourae]

This story is dying too fast. It is an important story (regardless of your opinion on it).


It's a loss for our side, so I'd rather the story die.

[JohnQPublic]

Federal grand jury indicts 16 people in Malheur refuge takeover (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/federal_indictment_against_amm.html)
Ammon Bundy and 15 others accused in the armed takeover of a federal wildlife refuge — including four people who remain at the bird sanctuary — have been indicted on a charge of conspiracy to impede federal officers through intimidation, threats or force.


A federal grand jury returned the indictments (http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/02/04/INDICTMENTBUNDYS.pdf) Wednesday and they were unsealed Thursday morning...


Named along with the Bundys are Jon Ritzheimer, Joseph O'Shaughnessy, Ryan Payne, Brian Cavalier, Shawna Cox, Peter Santilli, Jason Patrick, Duane Leo Ehmer and Dylan Anderson.


Also indicted are four still at the refuge: Sean Anderson, David Lee Fry, Jeff Wayne Banta and Sandra Lynn Pfeifer Anderson.


Finally, Kenneth Medenbach, arrested in January in Burns and accused of driving a government truck off the refuge property, is also named...


Occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, 54, was shot and killed by state police after he sped away from the stop, rammed into a snowbank and then emerged from his truck with his hands up but then reached twice into the inner pocket of his jacket, according to the FBI. He had a loaded 9 mm pistol on him, the FBI said...

These are the defendants named in the indictments: Ammon Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho; Jon Ritzheimer, 32, of Peoria, Arizona; Joseph O'Shaughnessy, 43, of Cottonwood, Arizona; Ryan Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Montana; Ryan Bundy, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Brian Cavalier,44, of Bunkerville, Nevada; Shawna Cox, 59, of Kanab, Utah; Peter Santilli 50, of Cincinnati; Jason Patrick, 43, of Bonaire, Georgia; Duane Leo Ehmer, 45, of Irrigon; Dylan Anderson; Sean Anderson, 47; David Lee Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio; Jeff Wayne Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada; Sandra Lynn Pfeifer Anderson, 48; and Kenneth Medenbach, 62, of Crescent. The Andersons recently moved from Wisconsin to Idaho...

[JohnQPublic]

Militia group backs down, billboards go up in support of law enforcement as fifth week of Oregon standoff comes to an end (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/militia_group_backs_down_billb.html)February 05, 2016 at 6:53 PM, updated February 05, 2016 at 7:19 PM

...Negotiations with the remaining four people at the refuge are ongoing, said Oregon State Police spokesman Kyle Hove, though he declined to comment further.
One of the holdouts has said (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/post_5.html)the four occupiers' last avenue of communication is a cellphone provided by the FBI. Law enforcement roadblocks are still up preventing access to the refuge headquarters...

[Jewboo]

It's a loss for our side, so I'd rather the story die.



http://media.cagle.com/136/2014/04/24/147625_600.jpg

Oregon nonsense negates their original Nevada Bundy Ranch victory.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://media.cagle.com/136/2014/04/24/147625_600.jpg

Oregon nonsense negates their original Nevada Bundy Ranch victory.

Yep. That's what I said before.

These guys literally shot themselves in the foot. That's what happens when you're in love with your own legend that you don't know when to quit.

[JohnQPublic]

Here we go:

Oregon terrorists reap benefits of White privilege (http://Oregon terrorists reap benefits of White privilege)
<Especially LaVoy Finicum, huh?>

[Shami-Amourae]

Here we go:

Oregon terrorists reap benefits of White privilege (http://Oregon terrorists reap benefits of White privilege)


<Especially LaVoy Finicum, huh?>

We lost so we can't control the narrative. It serves the interests of the Cultural Marxists now.


Whenever the good guys lose you can turn a saint into a demon, and no one will remember what a great person they were.


http://www.ronnestam.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/adolf_hitler_evil_eyes.jpg

[JohnQPublic]

PsyOp?

"I am a verified constitutional judge with an oath"

The Connors Report?


https://youtu.be/0xtf04UGjGk

Oregon Military Department: Agency Subdivisions (http://bluebook.state.or.us/state/executive/military_dept/military_dept_subdiv.htm)

Command Group

Address: PO Box 14350, Salem 97309-5047
Phone: 503-584-3985
Fax: 503-584-3987
Email: tagor@mil.state.or.us (tagor@mil.state.or.us)
Contact: Brigadier General Michael E. Stencel, Adjutant General

[Shami-Amourae]

Here we go:

Oregon terrorists reap benefits of White privilege (http://Oregon terrorists reap benefits of White privilege)


<Especially LaVoy Finicum, huh?>

JohnQPublic, have you watched this documentary?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZsd0TEWppA

[JohnQPublic]

Who is this guy? Leads to Connors Report.


https://youtu.be/ueU1_PvBb_c


https://youtu.be/FT8fpGEK9Jw

Here is the video in the Connors Report eluded to in the first video in this post:


https://youtu.be/18JKL7C-Gz4

[PatColo]

http://media.cagle.com/136/2014/04/24/147625_600.jpg


hey now, admit it, it was a good party:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMibdeOZ3_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMibdeOZ3_s

[PatColo]

was this video posted here already? Uploaded Jan 6. Bollyn notes,




What is the Real Issue in the Oregon Stand-off ? (http://bollyn.com/#article_15416)
January 8, 2016
KrisAnne Hall is a Constitutional scholar, attorney, and former prosecutor. In the following 9-minute video she discusses the real issue behind the Oregon stand-off. This video is highly recommended viewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkvATQBalA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkvATQBalA

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_5AV5Ab2OE

[monty]

This story is dying too fast. It is an important story (regardless of your opinion on it).

Could be the lul before the storm. I think it is far from over. Without Pete Santilli and his boisterous reporting we don't get any insight. Yesterday was the funeral in Kanab Utah for LaVoy Finicum. It was stated the funeral procession was escorted by close to 100 on horses. All the federal facilties were closed in Utah, fedral workers were instructed not to deive vehicles with gov't. plates.

[Shami-Amourae]

Well it's good he's turning in a martyr.

Looks like he died for something after all then.

[monty]

Well it's good he's turning in a martyr.

Looks like he died for something after all then.
He died fighting for your rights and his belief in the Constitution

[Jewboo]

He died fighting for your rights and his belief in the Constitution




:rolleyes:

[mick silver]

Military-Industrial Complex


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Military-industrial complex is a term mainly used in the US that refers to a web of complex relationships between the Pentagon (armed forces) and those who support the vast armaments of the US military machine – legislators, lobbyists, overseers, procurers and, of course, the corporate players that profit from Pentagon military procurement and actively lobby for more of it.
The evolution of this machinery unfortunately leads to war itself and is one reason why the US in particular has been engaged in a series of inconclusive wars for much of the 20th and all of the 21st century. It is only by pursuing war and the armaments thereof that the military-industrial complex can perpetuate itself, justify its existence and continue to turn a profit.
Taxpayer dollars and the Federal Reserve (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1855/) fund the military-industrial complex. By some estimates, the military-industrial complex accounts for half or more of all federal-government spending – some US$1.5 trillion a year. It is difficult to gain a full understanding of the breadth and depth of the money involved in the military-industrial complex because so much of it is hidden in secrecy or kept from public view by being "classified."
The term "military-industrial complex" was made famous by President Dwight D. Eisenhower who used it in his farewell address to the nation, January 17, 1961. He said, "A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction ... Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex."
Because of the gravity of the warning and Eisenhower's own bona fides as the nation's top military man, his cautionary note was taken most seriously and the term entered the popular lexicon. The actual speechwriters were Ralph E. Williams and Malcolm Moos. Interestingly, the term was used long before Eisenhower made it popular and can be found as far back as 1947 in an article by Winfield W. Riefler in Foreign Affairs magazine.
That the term would first appear in the power elite (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/610/) mouthpiece Foreign Affairs is probably no coincidence. Presidential addresses, especially final ones of popular 20th century presidents, were consequential. It is highly unlikely that Eisenhower would have used the term without some sort of consensus regarding the nomenclature from the powers-that-be.
One theory that comes to mind is that the emergence of the military-industrial complex was becoming undeniable post-World War II. Rather than let a term such as the "military-industrial-congressional complex" (apparently an alternative nomenclature) complex enter the lexicon, those who concern themselves with elements of sociopolitical vocabulary decided to pre-empt the conversation by providing the name as Eisenhower used it. This placed the onus on corporate America, in part, which is where the power elite wishes blame to go on a regular basis. Whatever is evil can be attributed to the private sector, further weakening its credibility and building up the credibility of the public venue, thus advancing regulatory democracy (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1862/).
In the case of the term military-industrial complex, the description is fairly fitting. America's largest corporations function as a kind of adjunct of the larger American government at this time. The entire "complex" is almost one and the same; and one could argue that the military-industrial complex has widened its embrace to include a formidable intelligence-industrial complex as well. The presence of these interlocking military, corporate and legislative interests is one of the more unfortunate and even disheartening evolutions of modern American society. Sadly, it appears as if only the nation's inevitable bankruptcy will break the grip of this interlocking grid of mercantilist (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/714/) and militaristic interests.

[mick silver]

Was Harry Reid involved in the Bundy Ranch Debacle? Sorting through the Rumors & Disinformation | http://d3cced9h6ghzi5.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/user_thumb_submitted/pictures/picture-1.pngSCG (http://stormcloudsgathering.com/who-is-scg) a look back at who rule the FBI had been attempting to investigate Harry Reid on unrelated corruption charges, but they were blocked by the Department of Justice (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/13/fbi-blocked-in-corruption-probe-involving-sens-rei/)





The purpose of this video is to sort through the tangled web of information and rumors circulating regarding the questions of corruption and Harry Reid's involvement in the Bundy Ranch showdown. We will also address a error in our previous video on the topic "Bundy Ranch - What You're Not Being Told".


UPDATE: It turns out that the law firm that Harry Reid's son works for, Lionel, Sawyer and Collins, is in fact the legal representative for First Solar. (http://www.icloudmobilemedia.com/i/119331/10)
The purpose of this video is to sort through the tangled web of information and rumors circulating regarding the questions of corruption and Harry Reid's involvement in the Bundy Ranch showdown. We will also address an error in our previous video on the topic.
Alright so there was this article that claimed that the siege of the Bundy ranch was about was really about fracking leases (http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html). It referred to this article on shalereporter.com which actually referred to land sold in Eastern Nevada, (http://m.shalereporter.com/industry/article_0de547ba-8ca4-11e2-ab4e-0019bb30f31a.html) and Clark county isn't in Eastern Nevada, so that's clearly not the same land. At this point the author has to be aware of this mistake. Leaving it up like this without correcting the mistake is really bad. I'm still having people send me this.
We had some unsubstantiated rumors claiming that "There are developers working for military contractors that want that land and water for mining weapons grade minerals for industry... they want to sell the land by the highway for real estate development because it's close to I-15". Again this claim isn't even coherent. Military contractors like blackwater don't buy land for mining.
Now for the troublesome story. That the showdown in Nevada was really about an underhanded business deal involving Senator Harry Reid, his son, the BLM and a 5 billion dollar solar energy plant.
The first source we referred to was Reuters August 21, 2012, which does indeed go into the details of a shady business deal involving ENN energy that Harry worked to push through. This is a reputable source, and it tells us a lot about how Senator Reid operates. Just one problem: the project fell through in 2013. ENN isn't in the game anymore.
However there still several issues here that remain. We have the web page that was taken down from the BLM website and which someone quickly deleted from google's cache. This webpage mentions that the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone's mitigation strategy as one of the justifications for seizing Cliven Bundy's cattle. You also have the fact that the current head of the BLM, Neil Kornze, is Harry Reid's former adviser and as the Senate majority leader directly participated in his confirmation, and to make things even more interesting we have the fact that it was revealed this past week that the FBI had been attempting to investigate Harry Reid on unrelated corruption charges, but they were blocked by the Department of Justice. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/13/fbi-blocked-in-corruption-probe-involving-sens-rei/)
We also know from this article from the LA Times that Harry Reid has a long history of finding creative ways to funnel money towards family members, and we have the well documented case of his attempt to push the ENN project through for his son Rory Reid via Reuters. So the question isn't really whether Harry Reid is corrupt, the question is whether he had a hand in the Bundy ranch debacle.
Now there are some people who have formulated an alternative explanation tying Reid to the BLM's move against the Bundys. (http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/04/12/feds-want-relocate-desert-tortoise-chinese-solar-farm-sponsored-harry-reid/#k4u1t0ijjKC1k0hL.99)
That the standoff is about solar-industry crony capitalism, but just not ENN.
That narrative revolves around a company called First Solar. First Solar is running quite a few solar projects in Nevada, one which is planned for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone. The company apparently has been heavily subsidized by the Department of Energy, there was a scandal when a CEO from First Solar sold off 450 million in the company's stock even though the company was floundering miserably (Reuters claimed a lower number (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/11/us-firstsolar-idUSTRE77A55S20110811) than Rep. Mike Kelly), and one of it's top executives James Hughes (aka Jim Hughes) (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=1025479&ticker=FSLR) just happens to be one of the unindicted conspirators in the Enron case. (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-01-29-enron-unindicted-usat_x.htm) First Solar seems to be a questionable company, but how all this is supposed to connect to the Bundy case is very, very blurry.


Now on March 6th, the environmental advocacy group Defenders of Wildlife filed a lawsuit suit against Neil Kornze (http://www.kcet.org/news/rewire/solar/photovoltaic-pv/group-sues-to-block-new-solar-projects-in-ivanpah-vallley.html), head of the Bureau of Land Management for his role in pushing through two massive solar projects that they say is going to devastate the tortoise habitat. According to an assessment released by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in 2013, the two projects, which are owned by First Solar, are expected to displace, injure, or kill up to 2,115 federally Threatened desert tortoises. So while the BLM is attempting to claim environmental concerns to push the Bundy's off the land they've fast tracked projects that literally raze the desert completely destroying all wildlife.
That information is interesting, but it doesn't prove that Kornze made the decision due to a conflict of interest, and it doesn't prove that Harry Reid was involved.
UPDATE: It turns out that the law firm that Harry Reid's son works for, Lionel, Sawyer and Collins, is in fact the legal representative for First Solar. (http://www.icloudmobilemedia.com/i/119331/10)
If we had strong evidence connecting Harry Reid to First Solar then we might have a case, but no one has posted any hard evidence tying Reid to First Solar financially as far as I know. There are some who have pointed to a small campaign donation that one of the executives of First Solar made to Reid some years back, but that claim wasn't very well sourced, and even if it was it would be very hard to make the case that this would be enough to drive Reid to pit the BLM on the Bundys years later. Others have posted this article showing Reid in a ground breaking ceremony for the Moapa Paiute Solar project, but that doesn't mean anything. Participating in a ground breaking ceremony for a project like that is normal for a Senator.
It may very well be that if we could look at Reid's financial statements, investments and the investments of his family members we might find something. Unfortunately the public no longer has access to that information online. We don't have access to that information because of a law which Harry Reid himself introduced. (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s716) The bill (S.716), which was passed on April 15, 2013 modified the STOCK Act repealing the requirement for the congress and executive branch employees to post their financial disclosures online where they could be read by the public. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s716 (http://stormcloudsgathering.com/s/13315/lxd)
It may be a total coincidence, but it's interesting to note that Harry Reid passed this law after the scandal regarding his son's stake in the ENN project, and right before the ENN officially backed out.
I'm sure we would have learned all sorts of interesting things if the FBI corruption probe into Harry Reid's dealings hadn't been blocked by the Department of Justice. It's important to be clear here though that it may be that if they investigate him it is possible that they would turn up all sorts of dirty laundry, but nothing that relates to this situation. We can't know that, and we shouldn't make assumptions.
So was Harry Reid the man behind the Bundy ranch crackdown? I don't know, and I'm not going to pretend that I know unless I see solid evidence one way or another. If you have evidence you're welcome to send it to us on our facebook page or on twitter, and we'll look at it.
Now some people were angry with me for taking down the last video. Some claimed I was cowering to these guys or that I was being threatened by someone, or intimidated. Listen, I know that makes better television, and it's less humbling than having to admit a mistake but it's just not true. No one sent me any threats on this particular issue and even if they had I don't bow to those kinds of tactics. I do however bow to reality. No one ever wins a fight against reality. You might think you win, but you actually just become delusional. So if someone shows me evidence that destroys one my arguments, then I must change my stance. Period. I don't view that as optional, especially if you're dealing with information that's being spread to the public. Because if you don't correct yourself, there's a lot of people that are going to assume that the false information is correct.
That's what the mainstream media does. They get things dead wrong all the time and rarely corrects themselves. In fact more often than not they build on their faulty information and keep referring back to it as fact.
A good example is sarin gas attacks in Syria. We have the U.N. investigator Carla Del Ponte who went public saying that the evidence they found indicated that it was the rebels behind the attacks (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22424188) and that there was no evidence whatsoever that the Syrian government was involved and yet you'll still see Western politicians and the mainstream media referring to that attack as a justification for measures against Assad.
Unfortunately the alternative media has a really bad habit of doing the same thing. For example this article (http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/) which originally went viral covering the Reid connection hasn't been taken down or corrected even though the authors are fully aware that the ENN project has been shelved. We know that they are aware of that fact due to another article they posted mentioning this fact (http://www.infowars.com/flashback-sen-reid-breaks-ground-for-nevada-solar-farm-near-bundy-ranch/). The article claiming that this was all about fracking leases is still up as well, and hasn't been updated.
People are still linking to these articles as evidence, people are still sending this stuff to their friends. That's really bad.
If we get something wrong we have to take it down otherwise we're spreading disinformation, and we can't just take it down and pretend like nothing happened, because if you do there are going to be people that didn't notice that you took and down and are going to continue spreading the wrong information.
We can't compete with the big corporations in terms of budget and equipment, all we he have going for us is our commitment to telling the truth. If we lose that we have nothing.
Note: I wish I could have gotten this correction up sooner, but my daughter had a stomach bug and that disrupted our schedule significantly last week.

[PatColo]

this YT query https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=finicum+funeral has lots to choose from, and more will be popping up constantly. I'm just beginning to check a few out now.

this top hit at the moment is posted by YT'er Spiro (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCioWl1f1mj_08Li8rap26jQ) who is often guest on host Robert Reyvolt's show, including this Feb 1 show, Incendiary Radio: Spiro & Dr. Fetzer – Discussing Despotism & Deception. (http://renegadetribune.com/incendiary-radio-spiro-dr-fetzer-discussing-despotism-deception/)


20 mins;
edit: this one's pretty boring, a stream of people standing around; no press conference or anything. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlVRxo5PtmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlVRxo5PtmY

[Shami-Amourae]

:rolleyes:

What's wrong with that?

Old man goes out fighting heroically for the Constitution/Republic.

He gets to die a hero in the hearts of people. That's fucking badass Viking style shit.

I'm about to die anyway, fuck it, I'm going down a hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC43IO5TW8M


If I'm going to die, I sure as fuck want to go out with a bang instead of a whimper.

Do you want to die alone, and forgotten where no one knows you're dead until you're rotting corpse is discovered by someone 3 months later?

[midnight rambler]

:rolleyes:

LaVoy preferred dying on his feet over living on his knees, whereas *some* prefer life on their knees worshiping the beast and collecting their SS 'entitlement'.

[mick silver]

Key supporters of the Oregon militia, such as retired American Major General Paul Vallely, former head of Psychological Warfare Operations, is a big supporter of these movements as are his invisible backers. Vallely has also repeatedly traveled illegally to Syria as has Senator John McCain, to meet with “moderate rebels,” including Baghdadi who now heads ISIS.
In fact, the power right wing oligarchs that support the Oregon “occupation” also support presidential candidates like Ted Cruz and JEB Bush, pouring millions into the coffers. They also support Israel’s occupation of Arab territories, the war in Yemen, the coup in Kiev and have long advocated a war on Iran despite the recent nuclear settlement.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/02/06/neo-death-in-oregon-the-realities-of-the-american-police-state/

[monty]

Key supporters of the Oregon militia, such as retired American Major General Paul Vallely, former head of Psychological Warfare Operations, is a big supporter of these movements as are his invisible backers. Vallely has also repeatedly traveled illegally to Syria as has Senator John McCain, to meet with “moderate rebels,” including Baghdadi who now heads ISIS.
In fact, the power right wing oligarchs that support the Oregon “occupation” also support presidential candidates like Ted Cruz and JEB Bush, pouring millions into the coffers. They also support Israel’s occupation of Arab territories, the war in Yemen, the coup in Kiev and have long advocated a war on Iran despite the recent nuclear settlement.


Where did you find this?

[mick silver]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/02/06/neo-death-in-oregon-the-realities-of-the-american-police-state/

[monty]

Cliven Bundy pays tribute to LaVoy Finicum

http://youtu.be/soOvND5vEco


One Cowboy's Stand for feedom

http://youtu.be/EKVzbmT5jYw

[Tumbleweed]

I came across this video that's a different view of the funeral procession than MR posted. There are funeral processions like this where I live sometimes when cowboys or old ranchers die.

Their horses are saddled and led riderless by their friends and neighbors for their last ride with them from the church to the cemetery.
There's a local funeral home here where I live that also has a horse drawn carriage that is often used for these processions.

Sounds like there were 2 to 3 thousand people gathered here that feel a lot of hostility for the government and what they did. I don't think this is over yet.

Thought I'd edit to add that I didn't see monty had posted this video until I hit the submit button.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eekezwIAG7k

[monty]

http://youtu.be/0JIyiYr6Oqo


http://youtu.be/lDuM8OJ1kwI

https://youtu.be/lDuM8OJ1kwI


http://youtu.be/pk14zJvyG5s

https://youtu.be/pk14zJvyG5s

[monty]

http://youtu.be/M6SWC7puQYM

https://youtu.be/M6SWC7puQYM

[mick silver]

February 5, 2016 How the Bundy Gang Won (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/05/how-the-bundy-gang-won/)
by George Wuerthner (http://www.counterpunch.org/author/george-wuerthner/) by








Email (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/05/how-the-bundy-gang-won/?share=email&nb=1)







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One consequence of the Bundy Gang take-over of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in central Oregon has been the abundant media attention to their assertions of government “overreach” and “aggressive enforcement“ of environmental regulations that according to Bundy and Gang has driven ranchers, miners, and loggers from the land. Unfortunately, the media have been slow to counter such assertions.
The reality on the ground is much different from the delusional version put forth by Ammon Bundy and militant associates. Most federal and state agencies are lax in their enforcement of environmental regulations. Though many local people in Harney County, where the Malheur Refuge is located, decry the use of armed intimidation and threats, a sizeable minority or perhaps even majority agrees with the Bundy gang assertions that local people should control management of these public lands.
The irony of such claims is that local people already have a disproportional control and influence on national public lands. They can attend meetings, go on field trips, communicate their views through local media and use their connections with local and higher level politicians to promote their economic and other interests.
If they disapprove of federal management activities, local people often exercise social manipulation against federal administrators. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Forest Service (FS) managers and staff that live in rural areas. Federal employees, like people everywhere, want to be accepted in their local communities. Any manager or staff who initiates management action that upsets the local people or local business interests like ranchers, miners, or loggers, will quickly find themselves socially isolated, their kids mocked or verbally abused in local schools, and at times employees and/or their families are even subject to physical violence or death threats.
I fear that in the aftermath of the Malheur event, no matter how it is resolved, we will see federal administers even more “cowed” by local hostility to national interests. What BLM or FS manager will be willing to restrict or otherwise control activities that damage public resources if he/she knows that local communities like Burns, Oregon, as well as county, state and sometimes even Congressional members are opposed to the laws or regulations these agencies are supposed to uphold?
Several years ago a friend of mine, who is high up in the BLM, attended a meeting of BLM state directors and district managers convened by Department of Interior lawyers. The purpose of the meeting was to inform the managers that Department of Interior legal teams were losing law suits over and over because they, the people on the ground, were continuously violating the law. The lawyers were young and naïve. They thought, according to my friend, that they were telling these managers something they did not know. The BLM field staff sat stoically, with arms crossed, and listened.
Finally one of them quipped, “Yes, I know I am violating the laws. I do it all the time. You know why? Because if I followed the law I’d have every county commissioner, state legislator, the governor and the state Congressional delegation on my ass–and you know what? You’re not paying me enough to take that kind of abuse.”
Then another BLM manager followed up and said, “I don’t follow the law either. I count on being sued by the environmentalists, so that I can tell the delegation or the loggers or the ranchers that I had no choice in the matter. The court is telling me I must do this.” He went on to acknowledge that unless he was sued and had that political cover, he would not enforce the law.
According to my friend, there were a lot of other people in the room nodding their heads in agreement.
With the recent empowerment of militant groups around the West, particularly militants with guns and other weapons, what rational field manager, especially one living in a small rural community is going to challenge the local “custom and culture?” As one of the field managers said, “You’re not paying me enough.” And indeed, we are not.
If I were a BLM or FS official, I would be loath to challenge a rancher or a miner using public resources. To do so may invite an armed occupation or worse. And those employees know that it’s easier and far less dangerous to simply overlook violations and to avoid enforcement actions, except perhaps in most egregious abuses.
Unless these field managers get strong backing from the highest levels of the administration, we are not likely to see this change. However, instead of standing up to the local bullies, usually, it seems the general policy has been of appeasement.
A good example occurred recently in Nevada when the BLM backed down from throwing Cliven Bundy in jail for failure to pay fines, resisting and interfering with government employees attempting to capture his trespass cattle. Bundy remains a free man, and worse his cattle are still ravaging our public domain.
Even after the Cliven Bundy debacle, the BLM backed down again in another northern Nevada incident. Because of the long drought that has engulfed much of Nevada, the BLM closed some areas to further grazing destruction. Ranchers in the Elko area intimated the local BLM officials. In this they were aided and abetted by Senator Dean Heller and Congressman Mark Amodei who cheered them on. The ranchers even denied there was a drought—though that did not stop them from receiving profligate federal drought disaster relief payments.
In the end the BLM caved. Not only did they reinstate grazing to the detriment of our public lands, but John Ruhs, a cowboy friendly BLM manager who negotiated the reversal in grazing management, was appointed the Nevada state director.
Unfortunately such incidents are not isolated, and such intimidation and accommodation has occurred for years.
In the aftermath of the Malheur stand-off, we will see more capitulation to local control and our public patrimony will suffer accordingly. We may remain the “owners” of these federal lands in name, but the defacto control will shift even more towards local economic and political interests. No matter what legal consequences the Bundy Gang suffers, they have succeeded in advancing their agenda of increasing local control of our public lands.

George Wuerthner has published 36 books including Wildfire: A Century of Failed Forest Policy (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1597260703/counterpunchmaga). He serves on the board of the Western Watersheds Project (http://www.westernwatersheds.org/).

More articles by:George Wuerthner (http://www.counterpunch.org/author/george-wuerthner/)

[Tumbleweed]

This video is a really good interview of Chris Briles the Fire Chief that quit when he saw the corruption in Burns. It's long but it's a really good look at what has been going on there from the point of view of a local. He exposes what the FBI has been doing and also the Sheriff and Deputies. Lots of good information here all the way through that has the ring of truth.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsW6--eHJS0

[cheka.]

i smell another okc in 2016 -- pinned on evil constitutionalists/militias/right-wing extremists

the religion of hate REALLY hates salt of the earth types

[PatColo]

JOOboo's crashed my Thread: UC Davis prof teaching students about weaponized PC, NWO, (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77328-UC-Davis-prof-teaching-students-about-weaponized-PC-NWO)whining about some inane grievance he has about my choice of writing style being out of compliance with his wishes, beginning with his reply #12 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77328-UC-Davis-prof-teaching-students-about-weaponized-PC-NWO&p=815843&viewfull=1#post815843).

He reminded me of how terrific it will be when he finally stops bobbing, weaving, tap dancing & JOO-Jitsu-ing; and he simply sources his claim below.







I'm most interested to see your source for saying the 13%-ers were there only "for a few hours"

Ok Mr. Passive Agressive Guy. Post proof that the 3 Percenters stayed longer.



While he's at it, he can also explain to the group his otherwise bewildering worship of his beloved talmudic state.

Below I'll paste my reply #15 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77328-UC-Davis-prof-teaching-students-about-weaponized-PC-NWO&p=815996&viewfull=1#post815996) from that UC Davis thread, so that everyone can be on the same page as to where things stand.


__________________________




My point is that you always typing "joosh" when talking about the JEW isn't discussing it openly either.

coward just like Dr. Tracy




http://rs143.pbsrc.com/albums/r141/fyurst/awjeez.jpg%7Ec200



Seriously JOOboo?! I've been exclusively calling them "JOO/JOOZ/DJOOZ/DAJOOZ/JOOSH/JOODEO" all these years, and you've JUST NOW decided to get your panties in a bunch over it?

Or perhaps fred/phoenix/crimethink/SACRED HONOR GUYhttp://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?79743-Some-nice-buslims-for-Patcolo&p=734620&viewfull=1#post734620) has painfully jammed his fist up your ass and he's commandeered your GSUS postings?


http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?80793-Sharia-compliant-Muslim-doll&p=745228&viewfull=1#post745228


http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by crimethink http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=745208#post745208)

Only a Jewish shill would continue to use euphemisms that are employed to ridicule pro-Goy activists. "Joo," "Jooz," and "Joosh" are Kosher slapstick terminology making fun of Goyim that dare to name the Jew, who are exposing his strategies & tactics. I've dealt with this maneuver for 20 years. By making a joke out of a deadly serious topic, the Jewish shill reinforces the meme that "anti-Semitism" is "silly," "stupid," or "insane."


Obviously "...employed to ridicule pro-Goy activists" in your warped ~28 posts/day internet badazz mind-- but for normal people, "joo" etc pokes fun at the Khazarian imposter-Israelites (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54617-quot-The-Wandering-Who-quot-author-Gilad-Atzmon-on-his-new-book) who've kikejacked the reigns of world power today, and are steering us towards their satanic JOO World Order (https://archive.org/download/JewWorldsOrdertheNationalIntelReportWithJohnStadtm iller201208021/The%20Jew%20World%20Order%20Unmasked.pdf). You won't catch me referring to them as "Jews" or even the Biblical term "Israelites."



http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by crimethink http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png
(http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=745208#post745208)
Name the Jew, Pat. If you can. Is it verboten to you?


I can, and often do "Name the JOO", to wit:

crimethink (http://gold-silver.us/forum/member.php?22621-crimethink); SACRED HONOR GUY (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?79743-Some-nice-buslims-for-Patcolo&p=734620&viewfull=1#post734620); Internet-Badazz; Internet-Tough-Guy....


So you seriously have no "higher calling" here at GSUS than reducing yourself to SACRED HONOR GUY's (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?79743-Some-nice-buslims-for-Patcolo&p=734620&viewfull=1#post734620)http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4453&stc=1&d=1361024018 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?79743-Some-nice-buslims-for-Patcolo&p=734620&viewfull=1#post734620) level, JOOboo? You know, like maybe working harder trying to demoralize GSUS readers in the Oregon/Finicum-Murder thread, and encouraging us to join you on your hands & knees worshiping your beloved talmudic-state; your bare ass in the air with a "KOSHER CUSTOMERS WELCOME!!" sign on it?

http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20%28220%29.gif



Like HERE (#381) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813525&viewfull=1#post813525) where you said we "can't ignore what is written"; referring to some fake 'defeatist comment' made by an anon jooz.gov social media astroturfer (https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook), to which you added, "Fact is, there isn't much real sympathy for those guys out there."


Or like HERE (#393) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813562&viewfull=1#post813562) where you sought to dis-characterize the length of time the Idaho 3%-ers were on the scene in OR; then when I requested your source (#395) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813567&viewfull=1#post813567), you tap danced around that simple question HERE (#397) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813585&viewfull=1#post813585), and again HERE (#402) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813683&viewfull=1#post813683); and then your Grand Kosher Finale HERE (#425) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813772&viewfull=1#post813772) where you busted a more advanced JOOjitsu move, hoping to dodge my question again by 'answering a question with a question', asking ME to 'prove a negative' instead. :(




"Our talmudic 'book' AKA JOOboo is disrupting GSUS by attacking
other members over the inane non-issue of what name to call us;
meanwhile hoping they're distracted from noticing how he's trying to
steer their primitive goy minds towards our satanic JWO (https://archive.org/download/JewWorldsOrdertheNationalIntelReportWithJohnStadtm iller201208021/The%20Jew%20World%20Order%20Unmasked.pdf) agenda, LOL!"
http://www.matrixfiles.com/CB/public/Sharon_Peres.jpg
"I know, RIGHT??
heh, heh heh, heh..."

[Jewboo]

https://akphoto1.ask.fm/104/284/749/-189996975-1tpc2d9-irhpcqahpe09sia/original/avatar.jpg




Jewboo hurt my feelings in another thread: UC Davis prof teaching students about weaponized PC, NWO, (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77328-UC-Davis-prof-teaching-students-about-weaponized-PC-NWO)so I'll hijack this Militia thread and sob all over you guys here if you don't mind.




:rolleyes: sorry guys

[Jewboo]

This video is a really good interview of Chris Briles the Fire Chief that quit when he saw the corruption in Burns. It's long but it's a really good look at what has been going on there from the point of view of a local. He exposes what the FBI has been doing and also the Sheriff and Deputies. Lots of good information here all the way through that has the ring of truth.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsW6--eHJS0



bump

[PatColo]

A reading from the book of Book:
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/studying_talmud.jpg



"Hey listen up goys: MEA CULPA time here, Talmudic Style >:D. I've been trying to taunt & demoralize you goys in this Oregon/Finicum-murder thread, with obnoxious replies saying things like, "Fact is, there isn't much real sympathy for those guys out there. Anybody here hopping in their pickup truck with their AR-15 and driving to Oregon this morning? Anyone?" (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters&p=813525&viewfull=1#post813525) My game has been all about mocking, belittling, & dismissing the Oregon standoff, and LeVoy Finicum's murder by my beloved talmudic government-like corporation. Your demoralization is my success.

Additionally, I've labored to further disrupt GSUS by attacking PatColo in his UC Davis prof thread with totally off-topic agitprop joospew... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77328-UC-Davis-prof-teaching-students-about-weaponized-PC-NWO&p=815916&viewfull=1#post815916) the inane non-issue of what name he should call me us dajooz; meanwhile hoping you're all too distracted to notice how I've been trying to steer your primitive goy minds towards my bosses' satanic JWO (https://archive.org/download/JewWorldsOrdertheNationalIntelReportWithJohnStadtm iller201208021/The%20Jew%20World%20Order%20Unmasked.pdf) agenda.

No apologies goys; it's just what I do. For I, am JOOboo."





Wow guys :o, JOOboo's mea culpa there ^ seems pretty darn sincere! --H H--

Whooduh thunk we'd ever see such honesty, such contrition, such magnanimity, from JOOboo?! :(??


anyways, I set up his own dedicated playpen now:
Thread: JOOboo joospews about dajooz and why everyone must be in compliance. (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?87801-JOOboo-joospews-about-dajooz-and-why-everyone-must-be-in-compliance)

[monty]

Chris Briels interview, may be similar to previous. I haven't watched it.


http://youtu.be/ocBp0fp6eHk

Youtube link: http://youtu.be/ocBp0fp6eHk

[Tumbleweed]

Here's a audio of a reporter from Nebraska that has been to Burns and observed what's going on in the area. It's interesting and also worrisome what she reports.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glSNUK2ozYQ

[Tumbleweed]

Lavoys daughters speak about their dad and his murder.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7yJYn3Lqbs&amp;index=297&amp;list=PLurUublZaDzffz Uw_flT9ORipI0VTMP_V

[Jewboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKTP1krsNIc


typical comment at Youtube:

Garrett Knighton (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHg-aCGEHv8RF4NMK4lkVpw) 20 hours ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKTP1krsNIc&lc=z13xunjg0xuwzv4ic04cgdt4qsq1ujhbseg)


What part of the Constitution allows these yahoos to steal vehicles? Patriots, really?






Remaining Oregon occupiers reduced to pranky stunts



The pranky stunt illustrated how far the occupation, once led by brawny Marlboro-man lookalikes, has fallen. The defiant videos, nearly a dozen of which have been posted by Fry and two of his fellow holdouts in the past two days, also betray signs of the occupiers’ increasing isolation and aimlessness.

In one, Fry suggests he has nothing better to do than to ride a four-wheeler around the refuge and troll federal officials. In another, Sean and Sandy Anderson, a married couple from Riggins, Idaho, bemoan the fact that they missed a deadline to leave the refuge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/09/remaing-oregon-occupiers-reduced-to-pranky-stunts-taunting-fbi-by-doing-donuts-in-federal-vehicle/







Yep, The Oregon Standoff Is Still Going -- And If Anything It's Getting Weirder

In one message (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNIG7gJdTPY), Fry called those who reportedly disrupted a make-shift memorial site for Finicum “trash” and said, “It’s time that the good people stand up, bear arms and tell all these evil trash people to piss off.”

He also signaled the need for more support for those within the refuge, as “supplies aren’t unlimited.”

“How much longer are the American people going to sit here and wait and let the FBI snuff people like us out?” Fry said. “We are out here making a stand.”
In another video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKTP1krsNIc) -- titled “Shove your charges where the sun dont [sic] shine!” -- Fry shows off the federal property his group has hijacked, and takes a vehicle owned by the government for a “joy ride.”

“We are going to use every resource we have here. And I think we have every right to do that,” he said.

Another video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SDLsyrbIQ4) features Sean and Sandy Anderson, a husband-wife duo who remain at the refuge and claim they are being “held hostage” because they now face criminal charges.

“The rest of them have felonies, that’s not going to make us want to go home any sooner," Sean said.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/oregon-occupation-two-weeks-after-confrontation

[Ares]

typical comment at Youtube:

Garrett Knighton 20 hours ago
What part of the Constitution allows these yahoos to steal vehicles? Patriots, really?

This is why governments consider Public Schools a resounding success..........

No critical thinking skills, and if you asked this moron where in the Constitution it gives the government permission to own state land you'll get nothing from him.

[cheka.]

the daughters really got to me...and probably others too

as sympathy for their cause grows = increase the chance of false flag - to get people's minds right

[midnight rambler]

"They thumbed their noses at law enforcement and we just can't allow that." --what a cop told me regarding the Mt. Carmel massacre which included the premeditated murdering of children

These four are going to die soon, unfortunately. An example will be set. Some just are unable to learn from history.

[Ares]

There’s Something Strange Happening Here In Burns, Oregon…

February 9, 2016/in Uncategorized /by Belinda Bee

Posted By Becky on Feb 7, 2016 ~ Written by Diane Rodgers

We captured this article from TVOI News – Voice of Idaho before it disappeared! When we went to look for the article we noticed it was in “cache” form only, meaning that someone has taken the website & article down. So we have cut & pasted the article here, word for word, including pics & links, for future reference.
Feb. 7, 2016

About two years ago the Nation watched as Cliven Bundy stood in opposition against an unjust seizure of his ranch and grazing rights by the BLM. The event grew as patriotic Americans responded and came to his aid. The growing protest was ultimately successful in forcing the BLM to turn tail and retreat in face of the growing support that they could no longer control.

Fast forward now to January 2, 2016 and we have a similar situation with the BLM in small town out west called Burns, Oregon.

Since the start of this protest, the MainStream Media (MSM) has been putting forth articles and news reports using such adjectives as “armed militants”, “right wing racists”, “terrorists” or “armed thugs”. Every story I read or listened to was basically the same, always one sided. I follow the belief that there are 3 sides to every story; you could call it her side, his side and the Truth. So when only one side is ever told, it is safe to assume that there is an agenda afoot. An agenda the MSM never speaks about.

So in my quest to get to the Truth, I decided to take an eight day vacation from my full time job to travel 3,000 miles via plane and car to that small town out west call Burns. What you are about to read is exactly what I witnessed and learned from my westward trip. I hope that this article, and those to follow, will help you see through the smokescreen of lies the media, at the bequest of our federal government , have been and are still telling us as the means to controlling the narrative.

Contrary to the MSM stories one finds on the situation in Burns Oregon, the real terrorists in Burns Oregon are not the farmers, ranchers or loggers, nor are they the patriotic first responders.

The farmers, ranchers and loggers are salt of the earth people. They are hardworking folks who bust their butts every day to earn a living as many of us do on a daily basis.

The Patriotic first responders; men and women who have left behind their lives, families, friends and jobs in order to come to Burns to bring attention to the illegal land grabs and the usurpation of our Constitution. These people present no threat to the people of Burns as evidenced by the fact that they frequent the local stores, shops, restaurants and bars without any issues.

At first glance, it is easy to accept the media story that Sheriff David Ward invited the FBI to take over local control of the situation to help protect the citizens of Burns Oregon from a band of “armed occupiers”. But that is for another article. So let’s take a closer look at several key issues that most may not be seeing.

In past decades whenever there was a civil protest it was customary for the local police and maybe the use of the state police to control and insure that the protest remains peaceful. During the protests of the late 60’s when demonstration began turning violent, State’s at the request of their Governors started to call in the National Guard to assist the police in maintaining order and protecting the public.

The question to ask is why didn’t Oregon Governor, Kate Brown, in accordance with Title 32 of the United States Code, call for the Oregon National Guard to assist in any local police action in response to the “armed occupiers” at the Malheur Refuge. Could it be that Gov. Kate Brown was appointed to her position, not elected by the People of her State, as was Sheriff David Ward of Harney County? Could it be that these appointed officials are beholden, not the good People of Oregon, but strictly to those entities that placed them in their position and power. Another unusual fact is that Special Agent Greg Bretzing in charge of the Malhuer Refuge Occupation happens to be linked to a Nation Security breach along with other fraud and corruption violation, as reported by The Shasta Lantern. Click here (https://shastalantern.net/2016/01/special-agent-in-charge-greg-bretzing-linked-to-national-security-breach-fraud-and-corruption-in-salt-lake-city/) to view that article.

But, here in Burns the situation is much different and potentially much more ominous and deadly, as evidenced by the murder of LaVoy Finicum, by agencies yet to be fully disclosed. Authorities acting under the color of law but not in adherence to our laws, first closed down the Burns school system, even though the “armed occupiers”, of which only 4 are now remaining, are located 30 plus miles from downtown Burns in the middle of nowhere. WHY? Why was this necessary?

Road blocks, closures and check points are now common place in in and around Burns. Many of the local people have claimed that they are being randomly pulled over by “authorities” demanding they provide their ID’s for just driving down the street. There are locals being stopped at armed check points and forced out of their vehicle at gun point while their personal belongings and vehicle are thoroughly searched.

http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Road-Block-warning-2-6-2016.jpg

One rancher, Thom Davis, related his story in which he had a slowly dying horse on the range that needed to be humanly put down in order to relieve its suffering. The only trouble being that he was not that far from one of these check points and feared that should he have ended the horse’s suffering with a shot to the head, he too would have suffered the same fate. A fate that was later confirmed when he talked to the sheriff.

In another case the authorities actually took their vehicle a quarter mile beyond the check point and made them walk to get it.

Yet, in another case, Alexandra Puckett, described in a facebook post, the treatment and gun point threats from authorities that her husband and his mom encountered while trying only to feed their cows.

http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/FBI-Threats-Alexandra.jpg

These actions taken by authorities have more in common with those of a Military Occupying Force in Iraq or Afghanistan they do with normal police actions here in American. The terrorization of Burns and throughout Harney County is, by no stretch of the imagination, being conducted by the ever increasing militarization of Federal and State agencies. With many reports of in conjunction with an illegal and unconstitutional buildup of a foreign mercenary army of PMC’s, an invading army if you will, acting under the color of law but not in adherence to our laws. Claim as they do that they are FBI, their tactics and use of vehicle void of any US military or alphabet agency marking or insignia’s, and lack of compliance with US Law, even when asked they present no documentation that they are indeed FBI. A video clip of this fact can be seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQlFqymXnMY).

Additionally, other armored assets from distant counties are in Burns. I ask, is all this really necessary to protect the public from 4 people still at the Refuge located 30 miles away, armed with a few rifles and hand guns, and already contained by authorities so they cannot escape from there. Or is something else going on here?

http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Armored-Vehicles.jpg
http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Guard-posted.jpg
http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Tents-setup.jpg

Further there are claims that Blackhawk helicopters are being stationed at Burns Airport and in the surrounding area. For a link to that report click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJIVyAaSKUo&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=BravoVonMuller).

In a recorded phone call to Major Bomar, Judge Darby explains that the forces present in Burns are most likely under the command and control of the UN and the IMF. In other words, foreign forces acting freely on US soil, a clear violation of our Constitution.

Judge Darby audio click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7-Ljmu-HoY&ab_channel=J.KNIGHT).

Why, you ask, would foreign PMC’s be doing here on the ground in the middle of nowhere in eastern Oregon, and under whose authorization are they being allowed to operate? Could it be that they are here to seize control of these lands for the mineral rights and related wealth for foreign governments? Well, as usual it’s all about following the money. In this case the money is the mineral wealth that these lands contain.

As most are aware Hillary Clinton has sold our uranium to Russia, for personal gain and power. While China is buying up as much gold as possible, and gold is another mineral the lands out west are still rich in. Could China be laying claim to this gold as collateral for our national debt?

Further info can be found here (https://www.intellihub.com/hammond-ranch-may-be-sitting-on-precious-metals-materials-the-blm-wants/) and here (http://tatsrevolution.com/2016/01/15/oregon-the-secret-they-dont-want-you-to-know/).

It is time for the People of America to start asking questions of their representatives as to whose authority these foreign forces and here operation under and why none of them are Obeying their Oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic!

It’s time We The People embrace our differences, differences that make each and every one of us an Individual, Unite in One Voice and Demand a Redress of Grievances to address these issues in a manner that is consistent with the procedures set forth in the US Constitution . Our Founders wrote in the Declaration of Independence :

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall deem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”

Therefore, We have the Constitutional Right and Duty to cast aside an overbearing federal government and build anew, by putting the Power back into the hand of its Rightful Owners…We the People.

To do otherwise plays into their bloody hands.

Here is why we cut & paste this article, it is a screen shot where the website shows it has been “cached”, meaning it no longer exists:

http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Voice-of-Idaho-News-site-taken-down.jpg

http://2mbtdc.com/theres-something-strange-happening-here-in-burns-oregon/

[midnight rambler]

It's becoming more and more apparent to me that this incident is being used as an opportunity to do a psyop exercise. The fact is a fast strike could be executed to apprehend the four holdouts, two of which would probably immediately surrender if given the chance, without any of this 'show of force' display. (thinking strictly from a 'peace officer' perspective)

[mick silver]

take the time and read what ares posted people ...........................this may end bad for those 4 men left there

[palani]

http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/FBI-Threats-Alexandra.jpg

These people just don't know how lucky they are. Once you have had a gun held to your head and an offer to pull the trigger presented you can now honestly deal with the state under the terms VI ET ARMIS. Hopefully they had witnesses to the event but even if they didn't doesn't change the impact of engaging in contracts with the state VI ET ARMIS.

Use what you have to your own advantage unless you want to be enslaved.

[Ares]

http://2mbtdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/FBI-Threats-Alexandra.jpg

These people just don't know how lucky they are. Once you have had a gun held to your head and an offer to pull the trigger presented you can now honestly deal with the state under the terms VI ET ARMIS. Hopefully they had witnesses to the event but even if they didn't doesn't change the impact of engaging in contracts with the state VI ET ARMIS.

Use what you have to your own advantage unless you want to be enslaved.

How do you go about doing that to a perpetrator who refuses to give you his name? You can't drag a nobody into court. You need a name to attach the summons/complaint/claim too.

[mick silver]

I copy and pasted one of the places you had in post ares I wish I could of posted the videos , this stuff maybe removed later by the law men ,,,, Hammond Ranch sitting on precious metal, mineral, uranium, deposits which the BLM desperately wants

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Federal Government’s Modus operandi to seize Hammond Ranch and Bundy Ranch revealed

Update: The following article details in depth why the BLM targeted the Hammond family in the first place. This is a MUST read.
Key fact: Hammonds targeted because government wants to steal their land (https://shepardambellas.com/key-fact-hammonds-targeted-government-wants-steal-land/)
(INTELLIHUB (https://shepardambellas.com/)) — Renown Terra firma researcher dutchsinse conducted an investigation of both the Bundy Ranch in Nevada and the Hammond Ranch in Oregon.
“Let’s just call it what it is. Human greed is at stake here. Who is going to get the gold back there in the back country? Who is going to get the uranium?”

The video below is a must watch.
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Additionally, “as it turns out,” dutchsinse said, the “history on Gold Butte [will] will blow your mind.”

“You have farmers, ranchers, that I would say have been going out and getting the gold.”

Dutch then goes on to prove there are massive yellowcake uranium deposits in the area.
Is it possible the group is facing off with the BLM over precious metals, minerals, resources n the area?

[mick silver]

Oregon The Secret They Don’t Want You To Know
BLM seems to have wanted the Hammond Ranch pretty darn bad but why? A corporation called Uranium One and a 1956 survey might just hold the answer!Uranium One, a Canadian company mired in controversy over its proposed purchase by a Russian mining conglomerate, is divesting itself of its Colorado mining interests because of “all the politics and all the local sentiment” against uranium mining in the state, an executive told the Colorado Independent recently.
Prospects for a nuclear revival would start with mining uranium in Colorado.
“Nothing,” Uranium One vice president of conventional mining Norman Schwab said when asked what the company currently has going on in Colorado. “I had a lot of different properties in Colorado and we’re not into waiting for years for sentiment to change, so in terms of work in Colorado we’ve dropped the various properties and we’re focusing in Utah and Arizona and other states that are pro-mining. It’s as simple as that.”
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One of those more pro-mining Rocky Mountain states is neighboring Wyoming, where Uranium One is launching an in-situ mining project in the Powder River Basin. Republican lawmakers have objected to the purchase of Uranium One by Russian government-owned Atomredmetzoloto (ARMZ) for national security reasons.




There is considerable political angst that uranium mined in Wyoming could wind up in Iran because ARMZ supplies that neighboring and highly unfriendly nation. Uranium One’s Schwab, a South African based in the company’s Denver office, said it’s fear-mongering to suggest highly regulated uranium will wind up in a rogue state. It’s the unregulated stuff people should worry about, he said.
“It’s like gun ownership, for instance,” Schwab said. “In South Africa, the only people who own guns now are the criminals, because the people who try to do it legally are prohibited. It’s just impossible.”
The Denver Post Wednesday reported Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak addressed the political issue during a Denver visit on Tuesday: “Do you mind some investment? It is a normal commercial operation — not something that is operating on any political guidance.”
In a statement to the Colorado Independent, Colorado Sen. Mark Udall, a proponent of reviving the nation’s moribund nuclear power industry, said the ARMZ sale needs to be watched closely.
“With the increasing interest in strategic minerals, it’s definitely valid and responsible to ask serious questions about who has the right to extract, own and develop them, and I’m continuing to study the situation involving Uranium One,” Udall said. “I also understand that the proposal must be cleared by the U.S. Committee on Foreign Investments.”
U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner also must sign off on the sale, and he will have to do so under a cloud of suspicion dating to the Cold War and the fact that a deal supplying American nuclear plants with uranium from old Russian nuclear weapons is set to expire in 2013. Despite a virtual freeze on new nuclear plants since the Three Mile Island accident in 1979, the U.S. still gets 20 percent of its electricity from aging nuclear plants.
More than 90 percent of the uranium used in U.S. nuclear plants is imported, and under the expiring weapons program, up to a third of that supply comes from Russia. Colorado is a former uranium-mining hotbed that produced uranium for some of the first atomic weapons, and in some depressed areas of the state an industry revival is viewed favorably. But there is mounting environmental and political pressure to clean up the industry’s toxic legacy and limit future operations.
Uranium One’s Schwab sees that as a mistake.
“If you think oil is bad, uranium is in the exact same picture where you import all your uranium and you’re going to be held hostage to that when in 2013 the agreement with the Russians ends,” he said. “Then, where do you get your uranium from?”
Jeff Parsons, senior attorney for the Western Mining Action Project, says Colorado is poised to get all of the environmental problems associated with the “dirty front end [mining]” of any nuclear power revival and few of the benefits.
“The increase of foreign companies taking over mining interests in the United States is part of a trend over the last 20 years or so,” Parsons said. “We’ve seen more and more foreign mining companies in Colorado and across the West.”
Uranium is a “locatable mineral” under the 1872 Mining Law that was meant to speed the settlement of the West, and as such it is not subject to any sort of royalty payment similar to what the oil and gas industry must pay to drill on federal lands.
“What’s happened in the last 20 years is the growth in multi-national foreign companies taking over these deposits is they get a better deal in the United States than they get in any other country,” Parsons said.
Next: Why hasn’t the 1872 Mining Law been reformed to compel companies to pay royalties for extracting hard-rock minerals from federal lands?
Editor’s note: An earlier version of this story misidentified the nonprofit environmental law firm that Jeff Parsons works for. His is a senior attorney with the Western Mining Action Project in Lyons.

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lots more at site .......http://tatsrevolution.com/2016/01/15/oregon-the-secret-they-dont-want-you-to-know/The U.S. Bureau of Land Management has purchased two private parcels of land surrounded by the Agua Fria National Monument, and it’s working on one more.

The BLM bought 80 acres of the Cross Y Ranch, including one 40-acre parcel located a mile west of the ranch headquarters and another 40-acre parcel located three miles north of the headquarters. The monument is located in southeast Yavapai County. The purchases prevent possible development of the parcels.
“We are thrilled to have the additional habitat and very grateful to our partners, especially the original landowner who chose to have his land become part of the National Conservation Lands, and The Conservation Fund, which made this possible,” said Rem Hawes, manager of the BLM’s Hassayampa Field Office.
The landowner sold the parcels to The Conservation Fund in 2012, and the BLM has been working to buy it ever since. The BLM paid the appraised value of $80,000 using Land and Water Conservation Act money.
“The Cross Y Ranch includes substantial water rights, nearly one mile of the Agua Fria River, wildlife migratory corridors, cultural resources, and opportunities for public access to monument lands,” said Mike Ford, director of the Conservation Fund’s Southwest Regional Office. The organization can move faster than the federal government, so it buys land to temporarily protect it until federal agencies can complete their purchase processes.
The lands are located within the Perry Mesa Archaeological District that is on the National Register of Historic Places.
The purchases also protect desert grasslands that provide habitat for pronghorn antelope and other species, officials noted.
The Conservation Fund already has purchased another 600 acres of the Cross Y Ranch to help facilitate the BLM’s future purchase of this tract, too. It surrounds the 100-acre ranch headquarters property. The BLM hopes to get Land and Water Conservation Fund money to buy this parcel in fiscal year 2017. It includes a second of the Agua Fria River.
The BLM is interested in buying a couple other private inholdings within the monument, Hawes said, although it’s not pursuing those purchases at this time. They include the 80-acre Box Bar Ranch and the 25-acre Indian Creek parcel that’s also part of the Box Bar.
While the Richinbar Mine also is on private land within the monument, the BLM isn’t interested in buying it because it was heavily mined from the late 1880s to the 1920s and has numerous physical hazards, Hawes said. The land also might contain mining-related waste, he added.
A few years ago, the Arizona Game and Fish Department bought the Horseshoe Ranch that’s surrounded by the monument, so that land already is protected from development.
If federal law allowed the BLM to buy adjacent lands, BLM officials also would be interested in buying another 1,280 acres of land southeast of the Cross Y Ranch, Hawes said.
WHAT’S WILDERNESS WORTH?
For more than a century, the people who run America’s extractive industries—logging, mining, and fossil-fuel drilling—have offered one answer. Conservationists and the environmental movement have offered another. Developers have touted job creation and the connection between industrial exploitation and economic vitality. Environmentalists have grounded their appeals in ecological science and the value of wilderness to the human soul. Always at odds, locked in ideological opposition, the two sides, it seems, have long been speaking different languages.
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Currently, with tens of millions of acres on the line and developers enjoying a stiff political tailwind blowing out of Washington, D.C., the mutual incomprehension has become nearly absolute. The environment reflects the red-state/blue-state divide and plays out in vitriolic debate.
Amid all the noise, both sides are failing to hear the whisper of a bold development that could break the deadlock and revolutionize sustainable environmental policy: the arrival of wilderness economics, a dollars-and-cents way to attach a fair and reliable estimate to the seemingly uncountable value of preserving wild spaces and pristine natural resources.
The lyrical phrases of John Muir, Aldo Leopold, and David Brower never came with dollar signs attached. They couldn’t. In bill and coin, nobody in those days could say what wilderness was worth. Now we can. Studies of rivers and lakes reveal that healthy watersheds provide millions of dollars’ worth of water filtration, just one of many such natural services critical for healthy communities. Researchers digging into the economy of the West are finding that forests often have a higher cash value standing than they have as cut timber. Small towns born as logging outposts now thrive as recreation gateways.
“Fifteen years ago we knew intuitively that cutting down these forests didn’t make sense,” says Bob Freimark, Pacific Northwest director of the Wilderness Society. “We couldn’t point to any economic studies to back us up. But not anymore.”
This new economic paradigm couldn’t arrive at a more crucial time. The failure of environmentalists to sell their agenda to voters has run headlong into an administration that’s put energy development at the top of its list and is making it easier than ever to siphon private resources from public land. While mainstream media have focused on hot spots like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, Bush administration officials have quietly opened millions of acres of wilderness-quality land in the lower 48 to developers. Much of the 58.5 million acres of roadless national forest preserved by the Clinton administration will soon lose its protection. In Wyoming, ranchers who’ve wisely tended their land for generations are watching energy companies ruin their soil and water in a natural-gas free-for-all. In Utah and Colorado, nearly 150,000 acres of wildland—including previously protected sections of Desolation Canyon, as well as spectacular tracts of Sagebrush Pillows and the Dolores River Canyon—have been leased for drilling in the past 14 months. Tens of thousands more will likely follow.
President George W. Bush and his supporters defend these actions in the name of energy security and jobs. But set against the West’s new economic reality—a long-term shift away from extractive industries and toward recreation, tourism, the service sector, and information technology—the aggressive drive to cut and drill without factoring in long-term effects on the value of public wildland isn’t just environmentally unfriendly; it’s economically unsound. Converting the natural wealth contained in the nation’s pristine forests, deserts, canyons, and mesas into a one-time hit of corporate profit is a swindle of the first order, one that should outrage anyone, Republican or Democrat, who favors combining sound business practices with smart environmental stewardship.
Fortunately, the new way of thinking, if embraced by both sides, could lead to an era of compromise, in which decisions about extraction and preservation are based on assessments of long-term value, and of how that value might or might not be sacrificed for short-term gains.
If that happens, we’ll owe thanks to people like John Loomis, 52, an economics professor in the Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics at Colorado State University in Fort Collins and one of the pioneer thinkers in wilderness valuation. Loomis has written dozens of papers showing that mining, logging, drilling, and grazing are rarely the most economically beneficial uses of public land. His personal revelation came 28 years ago, in 1977, shortly after the young Cal State Northridge graduate took a job with the federal government’s Bureau of Land Management, which put him to work in the slickrock canyons around Moab.
“My second week on the job,” Loomis recalls, “the Forest Service held a public hearing. About three-quarters of the people there said they didn’t want any wilderness in Utah, period. And I thought, Now wait a minute. Surely there’s some economic value in wilderness.” Along with a handful of like-minded colleagues scattered around the West, Loomis would spend the next quarter-century proving that there is.
$72 AN ACRE
Wilderness economics may not be the last word in the conservation argument, but it’s taken on considerable weight, given the alacrity and scale with which the White House is rolling back wilderness protection. If the current wilderness land grab had an emblematic moment, it was the morning of November 24, 2003. I was on hand that day when the federal government—dramatically reversing long-standing precedent—took a chunk of protected land (acreage that the BLM itself had identified as having “wilderness characteristics,” and that was part of the proposed 9.5-million-acre Red Rock Wilderness) and auctioned it off to oil and gas developers.
“Parcel number 26 is the next one we’re offering,” the auctioneer called out to the 22 land men—agents for oil and gas companies—who had assembled inside a BLM conference room in Salt Lake City. “Minimum bid: two dollars to start.”
Auctions like this are, in themselves, nothing new. Since the 1920s, private companies have acquired the right to drill on public land for as little as $2 an acre. Currently there are 94,000 wells on public property and Indian reservations, producing 11 percent of America’s natural gas and 5 percent of our oil.
But Parcel 26 was different. Behind its sale lay nearly three years of legal maneuvering at the top levels of the Interior Department. After chafing under two terms of President Bill Clinton’s conservationist policies, industry executives and Bush appointees came into office determined to ramp up the industrial use of public land. In their way stood two things: Clinton’s Roadless Area Conservation Rule, adopted by the Forest Service in January 2001, and the de facto wilderness protections installed on BLM land in 1999 by then–Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt.
The roadless rule halted the taxpayer-subsidized construction of new roads on the most pristine 58.5 million acres of national forest. (There are currently 436,000 miles of roads on the nation’s 192 million acres of national forests and grasslands.) Because the rule came late in Clinton’s term, President Bush—just minutes after taking the oath of office in January 2001—was able to temporarily freeze its implementation. By the end of 2004, the White House had eliminated roadless protection for much of Alaska’s 17-million-acre Tongass National Forest and had rewritten the rule in a way that all but ensured that roadless protections would never take effect in the nation’s other national forests.
Opening up protected BLM wildlands to oil and gas developers has proven trickier. The BLM oversees 261 million acres, almost all of which is in the West. Most of that land is open to oil and gas drilling, but 6.5 million acres are protected as congressionally authorized wilderness areas, and 15.5 million are held as wilderness study areas (WSA), meaning the land is off limits to development pending further evaluation.
Based on state-by-state inventories conducted over the past two decades, environmental groups claim that the BLM manages an additional 12 million acres of wilderness-quality land not protected in either WSAs or formal wilderness areas, including several million in Utah. In 1996, prompted by conservationists, Bruce Babbitt told BLM managers to re-inventory the agency’s Utah holdings. And if you find that it’s wilderness, he told them, manage it as wilderness. The process took three years, but in 1999 the BLM acknowledged that it held more than 2.6 million additional acres of wilderness-quality land and gave it protected status.
The Bush administration, with Babbitt’s successor, Gale Norton, leading the charge, was determined to reverse that policy. From 2001 to 2003, Norton and Interior officials secretly negotiated a deal with Utah state officials—including then-governor Mike Leavitt, who later became Bush’s EPA administrator—to remove the wilderness restrictions.
Norton’s April 11, 2003, announcement stunned wilderness advocates. Not only had the deal wiped out the BLM’s 2.6 million acres of “managed wilderness” in Utah; it also prohibited the BLM from expanding its WSA inventory. In any state. Ever.
Seven months later, on November 24, 2003, the first of the previously protected BLM parcels was put up for lease in Salt Lake City. After the auction, I caught up with the man who had placed the winning bid to lease Parcel 26 and two other pieces of Desolation Canyon. (In about five minutes he’d leased 4,700 acres for $340,000.) His name was Joe Thames, and he was there on behalf of Baseline Minerals Inc., a minerals-brokerage firm based in Denver. Because land men like Thames often represent third-party buyers, I asked whom he’d purchased the lease for.
“I’m not able to disclose that,” he said. I asked why there was so much interest in the Desolation Canyon property.
“I’d rather not say.” With that, Thames turned and left. Three pieces of Utah wilderness disappeared with him.
Joe Thames’s money wasn’t theoretical; he wrote a check to the American taxpayers for $340,000. But is that the whole story? If Baseline Minerals builds a natural-gas well and runs a road into Desolation Canyon (when this issue went to press, no development had yet taken place on this land), the development could threaten the $1.5 million annual revenue generated by the rafting industry on Desolation’s Green River. Moreover, this land couldn’t qualify for full wilderness protection.
Is that worth $340,000? Or did the BLM just sell a piece of Utah’s economic future far too cheaply?
THE SILENT ENGINE
To some, it might seem pretty cut-and-dried: the value of leaving beautiful but “worthless” wilderness alone versus the potential for jobs, profits, and the prospect of reducing America’s dependence on foreign sources of energy. Oil companies might mess up the landscape, but that’s forgotten come payday. Wilderness advocates don’t cut checks, and a man can’t feed his family on scenery.
That’s the old line, anyway, but it’s not as convincing anymore. A reversal of that conventional wisdom began taking shape in the early nineties, following the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska’s Prince William Sound. Shortly after the disaster, economists working for the state of Alaska calculated a fair estimate, in dollars, of the spill’s damage. They used a number of then-controversial methods like “contingent valuation,” which relies on polling data to estimate what the average citizen would pay to keep, say, Glacier National Park protected from destruction. Using such measures, the economists came up with a damage estimate: $3 billion.
Many of the theories, methods, and benchmarks used to produce the Valdez estimate didn’t just emerge overnight. They were part of a 30-year-old work in progress by economists based in various academic outposts in the West—among them, Loomis, at Colorado State; Thomas Power, at the University of Montana; Gundars Rudzitis, at the University of Idaho; Gretchen Daily, at Stanford; and Ed Whitelaw, at the University of Oregon. Though the Valdez brought some publicity to what these thinkers were doing, their ideas didn’t significantly influence national policy until 1999, when President Clinton first proposed the roadless rule.
“The timber industry launched an economic salvo against the roadless rule early on,” recalls Ken Rait, a wilderness activist and former director of the Heritage Forests Campaign, a Washington, D.C.–based coalition of environmental groups that lobbied in favor of the rule. “They said it would condemn the future of rural economies. We knew they were flat-out wrong. So we brought John Loomis on to look into it.”
Building on previous research that calculated everything from the spending average of wilderness visitors ($30 a day) to the value of roadless areas for scientific research (about $5 million a year), Loomis and Robert Richardson, a doctoral student at CSU, produced a study with impressive numbers. They found that wilderness pays primarily in three ways: direct income from recreational use and as a quality-of-life benefit to lure new businesses and residents; passive-use value (what it’s worth to maintain the opportunity to visit wilderness, or to pass that opportunity on to future generations); and “ecosystem services,” natural processes like the air- and water-purification functions of an undisturbed forest.

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b) Interagency Coordination. The following agencies shall work with the Initiative to identify existing resources and align policies and programs to achieve its goals:(i) the Department of Defense;
(ii) the Department of Commerce;
(iii) the Department of Housing and Urban Development;
(iv) the Department of Health and Human Services;
(v) the Department of Labor;
(vi) the Department of Transportation;
(vii) the Department of Education; and
(viii) the Office of Management and Budget (OMB).
(c) Reports. The Initiative shall submit, through the Chair of the CEQ, the following reports to the President:
(i) Report on America’s Great Outdoors. By November 15, 2010, the Initiative shall submit a report that includes the following:
(A) a review of successful and promising nonfederal conservation approaches;
(B) an analysis of existing Federal resources and programs that could be used to complement those approaches;
(C) proposed strategies and activities to achieve the goals of the Initiative; and
(D) an action plan to meet the goals of the Initiative.
The report should reflect the constraints in resources available in, and be consistent with, the Federal budget. It should recommend efficient and effective use of existing resources, as well as opportunities to leverage nonfederal public and private resources and nontraditional conservation programs.
(ii) Annual reports. By September 30, 2011, and September 30, 2012, the Initiative shall submit reports on its progress in implementing the action plan developed pursuant to subsection (c)(i)(D) of this section.
Sec. 3. General Provisions.
(a) This memorandum shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of any necessary appropriations.
(b) This memorandum does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
(c) The heads of executive departments and agencies shall assist and provide information to the Initiative, consistent with applicable law, as may be necessary to carry out the functions of the Initiative. Each executive department and agency shall bear its own expenses of participating in the Initiative.
(d) Nothing in this memorandum shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect the functions of the Director of the OMB relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(e) The Chair of the CEQ is authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.http://tatsrevolution.com/2016/01/15/oregon-the-secret-they-dont-want-you-to-know/

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Special Agent in Charge of Oregon Occupation Greg Bretzing Linked to National Security Breach, Fraud and Corruption in Salt Lake Cityby Red Smith (https://shastalantern.net/author/red-smith/) · January 29, 2016

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In 2011 KSL-TV out of Utah conducted a year-long investigation of the FBI Field Office in Salt Lake City regarding security violations. The alleged violations had been first reported by a special agent in Phoenix and alleged a leak of classified information that could threaten national security. Greg Bretzing, now out of the FBI’s Portland, OR. branch and current Special Agent in Charge of the Malhuer Occupation and LaVoy Finicum shooting was an Assistant Special Agent in Charge at the time of the investigation. The report prompted the Salt Lake City field office to begin re-evaluating its security procedures, according to sources inside the FBI. Security clearance procedures were reassessed to ensure each individual had the appropriate credentials and access.
The story detailed allegations of multiple violations of internal FBI policies, including lax oversight of classified documents stored inside the FBI’s Salt Lake City field office; violations of policies that govern the issuance and use of FBI credentials; the failure to enforce rules that restrict access to areas where classified documents are kept; and concerns that high-level FBI officials may have covered up a formal complaint of security violations. The FBI declined to officially comment on any of the allegations.
Nearly a dozen self-described whistleblowers — including those with strong ties to the FBI’s Salt Lake field office — have come forward to expose potentially serious security breaches, including the removal of classified documents from the office contrary to strict FBI protocol. The whistleblowers were interviewed as part of the yearlong investigation which was able to corroborate much of what each source reported by conducting individual interviews without the knowledge of other sources. The sources provided details of multiple violations of internal FBI policies, including lax oversight of highly classified documents stored inside the Salt Lake City office’s Secret Compartmented Information Facility; the failure to enforce rules that restrict access to areas where classified documents are kept; violations of policies that govern the issuance of FBI credentials; and concerns that high-level FBI officials may have covered up a formal complaint of security violations.
“The actions that Salt Lake City is taking definitely could jeopardize national security,” one FBI source said. “That’s a big problem. That’s a huge problem with catastrophic consequences.””[that] turned that place upside down,” an FBI source said “It [was] pandemonium.” “It’s a huge deal,” another FBI source said. “We’re talking about the pinnacle of law enforcement. And they’ve got corruption inside their own office.”Special Agent in Charge James McTighe and the two assistant special agents in charge, Ken Porter and Greg Bretzing, were said to be visibly concerned. Dan Ward, the special agent in charge of security, was reportedly just as worried.
These individuals spoke on the condition that their identities be protected. “There is a severe problem with the Salt Lake office,” one source told KSL. “None of them will come forward because they know the FBI will come after them with a vengeance.” “People are afraid,” another FBI source said. “People are afraid to say anything. This has been going on for years.”
Sources who worked in Salt Lake field say concerns about security were heightened when the FBI granted high-level credentials to certain non-FBI task force members. In a specific example, all cite the credentials provided to Utah State fraud investigator Shane Tiernan, when he was appointed to an FBI-led task force on health care and then the violent crimes task force. Those sources said Tiernan was given an FBI Secure Access Control System key card, known as a SACS badge. This type of badge is considered a high-level credential, usually allowing 24-hour access to the FBI field office. Sources say however, Tiernan frequently wore his FBI-issued SACS badge and allegedly was allowed to maintain his credentials even after he left public service.
“He had credentials after he was off the task force and during the time he was a civilian employee. He was in another state working as a civilian. When he returned to Utah, he still had those credentials, which is a direct violation of FBI policy,” said a former state investigator who worked with Tiernan. “Shane Tiernan knows about the improprieties of the FBI,” said one source knowledgeable of the FBI probe. “The FBI’s not going to do anything to him. The FBI will never besmirch his name because he’ll turn around and take down the supervisors that he knew.” One such alleged improper practice involves an agent “loaning” an FBI-issued automatic firearm to Tiernan for a period of one year, according to three separate sources who worked with Tiernan at the time.
In light of the controversy surrounding the shooting of LaVoy Finicum and considering the other allegations of impropriety, corruption and political incest and nepotism surrounding key individuals of the Government, Judge Ann Aiken, Judge Stephen Grasty, Sheriff Dave Ward, involved with the Malhuer Occupation, this revelation is troubling in the extreme.

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These individuals spoke on the condition that their identities be protected. “There is a severe problem with the Salt Lake office,” one source told KSL. “None of them will come forward because they know the FBI will come after them with a vengeance.” “People are afraid,” another FBI source said. “People are afraid to say anything. This has been going on for years.”

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Power Corrupts Absolutely: Ties that Bind Run Deep with Aiken Family in Hammond Caseby Red Smith (https://shastalantern.net/author/red-smith/) · January 26, 2016

Ann Aiken, Chief Judge of the United States District Court of Oregon 9th Circuit, is no stranger to accusations of inappropriate relationships regarding her Courtroom. She is not a stranger to willfully failing to disclose those relationships and has even allegedly illegally ruled in her own favor to attempt to hide those relationships. In one recent complaint filing, a visiting out-of-circuit judge was requested by motion because the Defendants, including Ninth Circuit judges who are a member of the Oregon State Bar, had several political, business and social ties to Judge Aiken who was to be the presiding judge in the case. These ties constituted a very real potential conflict of interest against the Plaintiff’s interests. There are specific guidelines to be followed when requesting inter-circuit visiting judges and Judge Aiken refused to follow those requirements. Only the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court may decide such matters and Judge Aiken refused to follow those guidelines and the federal statute by ruling on these matters herself. Judge Aiken ruled on the motion against her in her own favor.
Already brought to light is Judge Aiken’s potential inappropriate working relationship (https://shastalantern.net/2016/01/political-incest-surrounds-hammond-judge-ann-aiken/) with Hammond terrorism re-sentencing lead prosecutor Amanda Marshall. Prior to being appointed U.S. District Attorney Amanda Marshall worked for the Oregon Department of Justice in Child Advocacy Services, a State Agency overseen by the Child Advocacy Services Board, a Board Judge Aiken has been President of since 1998. Judge Aiken was the Chief Justice that oversaw Amanda Marshall’s Oath of Office and swearing in and in conclusion to that ceremony instructed Marshall to “now hit the ground running”.
Judge Aiken was also the presiding Judge in a 2006 case (https://casetext.com/case/oregon-natural-desert-association-v-shuford-3) that overturned several key provisions of the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Act of 2000 which she found violated the supremacy of the Federal Environmental Protection Act. A management plan that the Hammonds were key in helping construct. As well Judge Aiken’s decision weighed heavily based on affidavit testimony by Harney County Judge Stephen Grasty, whose actions have come into question and extreme scrutiny since the occupation began.
Now in question is Judge Aiken’s relationship with two brothers who have started a counter occupation movement labeled as G.O.H.O.M.E. (Getting Occupiers of Historic Oregon Malhuer Evicted). Started by brothers Zach and Jake Klonoski, the group seeks to raise funds and generate community sentiment to forcefully remove the Citizen Occupiers of the Malhuer Reserve. Zach Klonoski (https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-klonoski-9408a941) is a special assistant to Charlie Hales, Mayor of Portland and is listed by the City’s website as the Mayor’s right hand. Jake Klonoski (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-klonoski-75117827) is an Attorney Adviser Department of the Inspector General 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
In order to re-sentence the Hammonds as terrorists the United States Government had to file an appeal Under 18 U.S. Code 3742 (B). According to the code; “…The Government may not further prosecute such appeal without the personal approval of the Attorney General, the Inspector General, or a deputy inspector general designated by the Inspector General.” The same Inspector General where Jake Klonoski is employed as a key Attorney Adviser. These appeals to sentences are extremely rare in their dispensation. However, as troubling as Jake Klonoski’s capacity to influence that appeal process is, considering his recent political stance against the Occupiers seeking to defend the Hammonds rights, it is does not hold a candle to the inappropriate relationship between the Klonoski Brothers and Judge Ann Aiken, whose former married name is Ann Aiken-Klonoski. Jake and Zach are in fact her sons.
Considering Judge Aiken’s working relationship with the lead prosecutor, her familial relationship with key members of the Inspector Generals office with the power to issue the rarely heard of sentencing appeal and her involvement in overturning a law the Hammonds were instrumental in crafting it is not outside the realm of logic to question Aiken’s fitness to serve as the presiding Judge in the re-sentencing matter. Taken in the light of complaints filed against Judge Aiken regarding her failure to disclose pertinent relationships and her capacity to circumvent the law in her own behalf, it is unconscionable that she presided over the Hammond case and as the situation now clearly reeks of nepotism, political incest and corruption the Hammond case clearly must be revisited by a new and impartial means outside of the tainted District Court. At this juncture it would seem that a Common Law Grand Jury constructed outside of the Oregon or Federal Courts is the only mechanism remaining that can be trusted to operate under the color of law.

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They lied: Numerous eyewitness accounts prove FBI edited footage of LaVoy Finicum shootingMultiple eyewitnesses detail key moments not seen in supposed unedited video
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(INTELLIHUB) — In the weeks since the shooting death of patriot rancher LaVoy Finicum and the arrest of Ammon Bundy, Ryan Payne, and others, numerous eyewitness testimony and independent reporting has completely debunked the notion that the FBI released unedited footage of the now infamous violent confrontation on an Oregon highway.
Amid a massive public outcry throughout social media, the FBI took the extraordinary step of releasing footage of the shooting and arrests just two days after they originally took place. Many saw this as proof that the feds weren’t trying to hide anything and that the killing of Finicum was indeed legal and justified.
While the footage released by the FBI did totally destroy the claim by Mark McConnell that LaVoy had charged at police, it more importantly left out key portions of what actually happened.
In other words, the FBI straight up LIED to every single American by releasing footage they claimed was complete and unedited when we now know that there are key parts, verified by multiple eyewitnesses and independent reporting, that are nowhere to be found in the official video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ) released on the FBI YouTube channel.
In key interviews done by Victoria Sharp and Shawna Cox, both women describe a point before LaVoy drove away (from what has been described as a hail of bullets) when Ryan Payne actually got out of the vehicle in what is believed to have been an attempt to put himself between the vehicle and the police about to shoot it up.
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“Ryan Payne is amazing”

An outstanding report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glSNUK2ozYQ) done by Lory Storm for KSDZ FM in Nebraska (http://www.ksdzfm.com/Archives.html) gets into the probable reasoning for why Victoria described Payne as amazing in the interview above.
“He did stick his hands out of the window, he did wave them, what you can’t see in the video is that the officer shot at him when he did that,” detailed Storm.
“He then got out of the truck fearing for the safety of everyone in there, including the two women, and posted himself in front of the armed men, tried to talk some sense into everyone and calm things down.
LaVoy decided if they were going to be stopped on the road and summarily shot at before they were even requested to get out of the vehicle that they weren’t safe…. and boy did he end up being right,” continued Storm.
For her part, Shawna Cox has done numerous interviews since her release from jail and in many of them she also goes over the moment Payne got out of the vehicle as well as multiple other key periods of time that we do not see in the “unedited” video released by the FBI.

We are currently attempting to put together a full timeline of what eyewitnesses claim actually happened from the time they were originally pulled over up until Finicum was killed and the others arrested.
What we do know now, as Lory Storm so rightfully noted, is the FBI’s claim that this is an unedited video is completely debunked.https://www.intellihub.com/lied-numerous-eyewitness-accounts-prove-fbi-edited-footage-lavoy-finicum-shooting/

[palani]

How do you go about doing that to a perpetrator who refuses to give you his name? You can't drag a nobody into court. You need a name to attach the summons/complaint/claim too.
'Cause it is an agent of the STATE that did it. You don't need to name anyone. Essentially nobody else need be affected. It is your relationship to the STATE that has changed.

We all filter what we see and what we perceive through our own sense of being. What we see is not the way things are but the way we are. Once you know that the STATE is capable of supporting agents that are more than willing to do you in then you are going to be less idealistic and more practical. The STATE likes to deal with you on their terms and they call this CONTRACT. You gotta deal with them one way or another so you might as well hang the term VI ET ARMIS on them just to let them know you know that when they use force you are going to call them on it.

The pen is mightier than the sword. Going to the sword is terminal eventually. I always figured my life expectancy on a battlefield where projectiles occur is something south of 15 minutes. When I sling words the word return just bounce off.

I use VI ET ARMIS legitimately in all my dealings with the STATE. Had a gun held to my head too so now they can ONLY deal with me on those terms.

[mick silver]

They think you are terrorists: Fusion center targets peaceful patriots attending LaVoy Finicum funeral"Armed extremists are expected to travel through UT; some of which may see this event as a tipping point, and potentially shift toward more violent action," warned the report
By Alex Thomas (https://www.intellihub.com/opinion/alexsside/) -
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https://www.intellihub.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2016-02-08_0028-300x231.png (https://www.intellihub.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2016-02-08_0028.png)Utah Statewide Information & Analysis CenterKANAB, Utah. (INTELLIHUB) — As over a thousand patriots and American citizens prepared to attend the funeral of rancher Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, the Utah Statewide Information & Analysis Center (SIAC (http://www.emergencyinfoutah.com/go/doc/2515/979039/)), a homeland security sponsored fusion center, was collecting intelligence on possible attendees as well as hysterically warning local law enforcement of the supposed threat posed by patriots, including women and children, paying their respects to a man killed by the government.
The unclassified SIAC report (http://static.infowars.com/images/siac-report-feb-2015.pdf), originally released by Infowars, warns law enforcement to be on the lookout for scary “caravans” of American citizens (extremists) traveling through the state to attend LaVoy’s funeral. To increase the fear of local officers, the fusion center report also claimed that some of those who were set to attend Finicum’s funeral had been seen in or near the Burns, Oregon wildlife refuge occupation.
“While no credible threats to law enforcement are present at this time, armed extremists are expected to travel through UT; some of which may see this event as a tipping point, and potentially shift toward more violent action,” warned the report. Remember, in reality, literally no one attending Finicum’s funeral had planned anything violent and, of course, nothing of the sort actually happened.
“Caravans of individuals traveling to the funeral services may be comprised of one or more armed extremists. Law enforcement should remain vigilant and aware that confrontation with these potentially volatile persons, may include more than one individual. These individuals may adhere to a sovereign citizen ideology, and may not recognize law enforcement as a legitimate authority,” it continued.
And in case you were assuming that the feds were maybe just worried about the few dozen (or less) people who went further than simply protesting the tyranny inflicted on the Hammonds (by actually occupying the wildlife refuge), you are mistaken because the fusion center warning specifically targets anyone who might have a Gadsden flag, an Oathkeepers patch, or even those who shared a meme protesting the shooting death of Finicum.
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One has to ask themselves, are the police that are reading this kind of garbage from fusion centers across the country going to assume a completely law abiding citizen with a Gadsden flag in their car window is an anti-government terrorist and then treat them a t reports such as the one above are written in a transparent attempt at ostracizing dissent of an obviously out of control government, making it seem as if only crazed domestic terrorists would support the motto, “Don’t Tread On Me” or want to stand up to the full-scale takeover of lands by the federal government.
And besides, who are the real terrorists? If a recently released Intellihub report is any indication, the federal government is literally employing armed paramilitary forces (https://www.intellihub.com/massive-number-heavily-armed-paramilitary-forces-operating-in-and-around-burns-oregon/) to terrorize local communities.
“The Last Ride Of A Patriotic Cowboy”As Intellihub detailed (https://www.intellihub.com/rip-lavoy-finicum-over-thousand-people-turn-out-for-heartwarming-tribute-to-true-american-patriot/), the actual reality surrounding the funeral (https://www.intellihub.com/rip-lavoy-finicum-over-thousand-people-turn-out-for-heartwarming-tribute-to-true-american-patriot/) of patriot rancher LaVoy Finicum was one of heartfelt loss, with a tremendous amount of support shown for Finicum and his family by the thousand people who attended and the hundreds of thousands who watched videos and sent their condolences online.


Mourners and patriots from across the country came in pickups flying American flags as well as on horseback to honor a man who truly was a real American cowboy.The open casket funeral included the fitting words “One Cowboy’s Stand for Freedom” on the inside of the lid, with an American flag sprawled across the chest of the man killed by authorities under circumstances that almost conclusively point to murder.
All in all its a pretty scary thing when you realize that the federal government is teaching local law enforcement across the country that the people above are possible terrorists.
https://www.intellihub.com/they-think-you-are-terrorists-fusion-center-targets-peaceful-patriots-attending-lavoy-finicum-funeral/

[monty]

Power Corrupts Absolutely: Ties that Bind Run Deep with Aiken Family in Hammond Case

by Red Smith (https://shastalantern.net/author/red-smith/) · January 26, 2016

Ann Aiken, Chief Judge of the United States District Court of Oregon 9th Circuit, is no stranger to accusations of inappropriate relationships regarding her Courtroom. She is not a stranger to willfully failing to disclose those relationships and has even allegedly illegally ruled in her own favor to attempt to hide those relationships. In one recent complaint filing, a visiting out-of-circuit judge was requested by motion because the Defendants, including Ninth Circuit judges who are a member of the Oregon State Bar, had several political, business and social ties to Judge Aiken who was to be the presiding judge in the case. These ties constituted a very real potential conflict of interest against the Plaintiff’s interests. There are specific guidelines to be followed when requesting inter-circuit visiting judges and Judge Aiken refused to follow those requirements. Only the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court may decide such matters and Judge Aiken refused to follow those guidelines and the federal statute by ruling on these matters herself. Judge Aiken ruled on the motion against her in her own favor.
Already brought to light is Judge Aiken’s potential inappropriate working relationship (https://shastalantern.net/2016/01/political-incest-surrounds-hammond-judge-ann-aiken/) with Hammond terrorism re-sentencing lead prosecutor Amanda Marshall. Prior to being appointed U.S. District Attorney Amanda Marshall worked for the Oregon Department of Justice in Child Advocacy Services, a State Agency overseen by the Child Advocacy Services Board, a Board Judge Aiken has been President of since 1998. Judge Aiken was the Chief Justice that oversaw Amanda Marshall’s Oath of Office and swearing in and in conclusion to that ceremony instructed Marshall to “now hit the ground running”.
Judge Aiken was also the presiding Judge in a 2006 case (https://casetext.com/case/oregon-natural-desert-association-v-shuford-3) that overturned several key provisions of the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Act of 2000 which she found violated the supremacy of the Federal Environmental Protection Act. A management plan that the Hammonds were key in helping construct. As well Judge Aiken’s decision weighed heavily based on affidavit testimony by Harney County Judge Stephen Grasty, whose actions have come into question and extreme scrutiny since the occupation began.
Now in question is Judge Aiken’s relationship with two brothers who have started a counter occupation movement labeled as G.O.H.O.M.E. (Getting Occupiers of Historic Oregon Malhuer Evicted). Started by brothers Zach and Jake Klonoski, the group seeks to raise funds and generate community sentiment to forcefully remove the Citizen Occupiers of the Malhuer Reserve. Zach Klonoski (https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-klonoski-9408a941) is a special assistant to Charlie Hales, Mayor of Portland and is listed by the City’s website as the Mayor’s right hand. Jake Klonoski (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-klonoski-75117827) is an Attorney Adviser Department of the Inspector General 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
In order to re-sentence the Hammonds as terrorists the United States Government had to file an appeal Under 18 U.S. Code 3742 (B). According to the code; “…The Government may not further prosecute such appeal without the personal approval of the Attorney General, the Inspector General, or a deputy inspector general designated by the Inspector General.” The same Inspector General where Jake Klonoski is employed as a key Attorney Adviser. These appeals to sentences are extremely rare in their dispensation. However, as troubling as Jake Klonoski’s capacity to influence that appeal process is, considering his recent political stance against the Occupiers seeking to defend the Hammonds rights, it is does not hold a candle to the inappropriate relationship between the Klonoski Brothers and Judge Ann Aiken, whose former married name is Ann Aiken-Klonoski. Jake and Zach are in fact her sons.
Considering Judge Aiken’s working relationship with the lead prosecutor, her familial relationship with key members of the Inspector Generals office with the power to issue the rarely heard of sentencing appeal and her involvement in overturning a law the Hammonds were instrumental in crafting it is not outside the realm of logic to question Aiken’s fitness to serve as the presiding Judge in the re-sentencing matter. Taken in the light of complaints filed against Judge Aiken regarding her failure to disclose pertinent relationships and her capacity to circumvent the law in her own behalf, it is unconscionable that she presided over the Hammond case and as the situation now clearly reeks of nepotism, political incest and corruption the Hammond case clearly must be revisited by a new and impartial means outside of the tainted District Court. At this juncture it would seem that a Common Law Grand Jury constructed outside of the Oregon or Federal Courts is the only mechanism remaining that can be trusted to operate under the color of law.

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There is corruption at every level. It is hard to imagine all that is being exposed.

[mick silver]

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[Ares]

Now we know why they wanted LaVoy killed.

[Ares]

'Cause it is an agent of the STATE that did it. You don't need to name anyone. Essentially nobody else need be affected. It is your relationship to the STATE that has changed.

We all filter what we see and what we perceive through our own sense of being. What we see is not the way things are but the way we are. Once you know that the STATE is capable of supporting agents that are more than willing to do you in then you are going to be less idealistic and more practical. The STATE likes to deal with you on their terms and they call this CONTRACT. You gotta deal with them one way or another so you might as well hang the term VI ET ARMIS on them just to let them know you know that when they use force you are going to call them on it.

The pen is mightier than the sword. Going to the sword is terminal eventually. I always figured my life expectancy on a battlefield where projectiles occur is something south of 15 minutes. When I sling words the word return just bounce off.

I use VI ET ARMIS legitimately in all my dealings with the STATE. Had a gun held to my head too so now they can ONLY deal with me on those terms.

How do you assume that they are an agent of the state when they will not identify themselves or who they work for? Which state? Local state, or the Federal state?

[mick silver]

I fly the don't tread on me flag so it look like I am a extremism now , ant this something

[Ares]

I fly the don't thread on me flag so it look like I am a extremism now , ant this something

Anyone who views the state as an abomination is an extremists to these fucking parasites.

[mick silver]

R.I.P. LaVoy Finicum – Over a thousand people turn out for heartwarming tribute to a true American patriot"This is what the federal government does"https://www.intellihub.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2016-02-06_0104.png

[mick silver]

Report: Massive number of heavily armed paramilitary forces operating in and around Burns, Oregon"Its like we are at war on our own soil"
By Alex Thomas (https://www.intellihub.com/opinion/alexsside/) -
February 7, 2016
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BURNS, OR (INTELLIHUB) — Amid rumors of armed drones (https://www.intellihub.com/reports-armed-drone-over-burns-oregon-foreign-mercenaries-posing-fbi/) above the skies of Burns, Oregon as well as private mercenaries operating within the town, new, credible eyewitness reports have emerged that confirm the existence of a massive amount of heavily armed paramilitary government forces patrolling both the city and the roads leading to the wildlife refuge.
Independent journalist Lory Storm, reporting for KSDZ FM in Nebraska (http://www.ksdzfm.com/Archives.html), was a recent guest on one of the stations radio shows and what she revealed provides a grim picture of the tiny Oregon town that has become the latest hot spot in a massive revolt over federal takeover of lands throughout the western United States.
“We did learn some pretty disturbing things in Burns. Right now the FBI has the road to the wildlife refuge blocked off in a couple of places. We attempted to get past the first and it was a little bit of a tense scene,” reported Storm.
“We were sitting next to an Oregonian photographer….a couple of vehicles went through, an MRAP and a pickup truck of some type.”
This is where her accounts goes from interesting to downright startling.
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“Next thing we know here comes about six or seven fully armored Suburbans coming up at a high rate of speed, hit the breaks… one of the men got out to move the cones and I asked why can’t we go down this road,” she continued.
“He said, well the roads closed… I said under whose authority, its not snowing or anything. He said well if you go past this you are going to get arrested, Oregon State Police and the governor closed the road…. the wildlife refuge is under siege. I’m telling you if you walk across this line you are going to get arrested.”
“So it’s under siege by you guys, not anybody else,” Storm countered.
Not normal FBI guysStorm then gets to the heart of the issue by first acknowledging that if the above demands were made by normal police or FBI officials then yes, they would be annoying but they would be at least somewhat normal. Instead, her interaction with the heavily armed paramilitary forces was anything but.
Storm explained, “The problem with this is, these weren’t normal FBI guys, these guys were in full fatigues, full body armor, armed to the teeth and there were what six or eight of them in each Suburban and there were six or seven Suburbans.”
“Its like we are at war on our own soil and these guys were just a fraction of the contingent…. we asked the Oregonian reporter if we should call somebody and she said oh no that’s just a shift change,” Storm passionately described.Lory also detailed the fact that LaVoy’s vehicle was towed 142 miles to the state police impound yard in Bend, Oregon and is currently covered up with tarps which obviously stops anyone from seeing how bullet ridden it actually is.
The interview also gets into the very clear fact that the supposed unedited video released by the FBI of the shooting death of rancher LaVoy Finicum was actually completely and totally edited. There are literally key parts left out, including Ryan Payne getting out of the vehicle in an attempt to shield the others from possible death. Remember, Victoria Sharp and now Shawna Cox have both confirmed the amazing actions of Payne.
“The FBI claims that this is an unedited video are completely debunked at this point,” Storm rightly declared.
All in all this is an absolute must hear interview and the reporter Lory Storm (http://www.ksdzfm.com/) clearly knows her stuff, coming off as a highly credible independent voice.

Interestingly, in a recently released analysis of video footage of Ammon Bundy walking through Burns, Oregon sometime during the occupation of the refuge but before the arrests and death of Finicum, YouTuber Call of Duty Goddess (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8L1tkC6TVzAwUkMKduR2cg) makes several key points that dovetail with the reporting done by Storm.
The armed paramilitary forces seen throughout the streets of Burns, Oregon are wearing no insignia and have all the hallmarks of private mercenaries. They have been documented in and around the town both before the arrests and after. The presence of these forces has actually doubled since the arrests, according to locals.
Who are the thugs on the streets of Burns?!

Image: U.S. Army Europe Images/Flickrhttps://www.intellihub.com/massive-number-heavily-armed-paramilitary-forces-operating-in-and-around-burns-oregon/

[monty]

Ann Aiken is no longer the chief judge in the Oregon District Court. She was replaced by by Michael Mosman on Feb. 1.

[mick silver]

Not normal FBI guysStorm then gets to the heart of the issue by first acknowledging that if the above demands were made by normal police or FBI officials then yes, they would be annoying but they would be at least somewhat normal. Instead, her interaction with the heavily armed paramilitary forces was anything but.
Storm explained, “The problem with this is, these weren’t normal FBI guys, these guys were in full fatigues, full body armor, armed to the teeth and there were what six or eight of them in each Suburban and there were six or seven Suburbans.”
“Its like we are at war on our own soil and these guys were just a fraction of the contingent…. we asked the Oregonian reporter if we should call somebody and she said oh no that’s just a shift change,” Storm passionately described

[JohnQPublic]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman

Is this some type of Mormon-CIA thing?

[mick silver]

Michael Wise Mosman (born December 23, 1956) is the Chief Judge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_judge) for the United States District Court for the District of Oregon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_District_Court_for_the_District_of_O regon), and is simultaneously serving a 2013-2020 term on the FISA Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FISA_Court).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-1) The Oregon native previously served as the United States Attorney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney) for the same district.
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1 Early life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#Early_life)
2 Legal career (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#Legal_career)
3 Family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#Family)
4 See also (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#See_also)
5 References (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#References)
6 External links (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#External_links)


Early life[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_W._Mosman&action=edit&section=1&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)]Michael Mosman was born in the Willamette Valley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willamette_Valley) of Oregon in 1956 in the city of Eugene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene,_Oregon).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) He grew up in Lewiston, Idaho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewiston,_Idaho), the son of an attorney and judge with an older sister and three younger brothers.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-meridian-3) He attended Ricks College in Idaho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho), which is now Brigham Young University–Idaho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_Young_University%E2%80%93Idaho).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Arts) degree in 1979 before attending Utah State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_State_University) in Logan, Utah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan,_Utah).
At Utah State he graduated with a Bachelor of Science (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science) degree in 1981,[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) and was the valedictorian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valedictorian) of his class.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-meridian-3) Mosman then went on to law school (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school) at Brigham Young University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_Young_University)'s J. Reuben Clark Law School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Reuben_Clark_Law_School). He graduated there in 1984 with a juris doctorate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_doctorate).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) At BYU he was the editor of the law review, and graduated magna cum laude.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-meridian-3)
Legal career[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_W._Mosman&action=edit&section=2&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)]In 1984, Mosman began clerking for Malcolm Richard Wilkey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Richard_Wilkey), judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_District_of _Columbia_Circuit).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) The following year he entered private legal practice for part of 1985. Mosman then was a judicial clerk for United States Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court) justice Lewis F. Powell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) While clerking for Powell, he was involved in the justice's voting to uphold Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state))'s sodomy law in Bowers v. Hardwick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowers_v._Hardwick).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-ww-4) After leaving Powell's employ, Mosman entered private practice in Portland, Oregon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon) in 1986.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2)
In 1988, he began working as an assistant United States Attorney for the District of Oregon, remaining until 2001.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) That year he became the U.S. Attorney for the District of Oregon, serving until 2003.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) He replaced Kristine Olson Rogers who had resigned.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-5) In 2003, United States President (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_President) George W. Bush (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) nominated Mosman to serve as judge for the United States District Court for the District of Oregon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_District_Court_for_the_District_of_O regon) on May 8 to take the seat of Robert E. Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Jones_(judge)), who had assumed senior status on the court.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2) Mosman was confirmed by the United States Senate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) on September 25, 2003, and received his federal commission the following day. He became Chief Judge on February 1, 2016.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-fjc-2)
Mosman issued a temporary injunction in December 2007 to prevent Oregon's new civil union law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_Oregon) from taking effect in January.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-ww-4) This was in response to a legal challenge by a group that had attempted to place a referendum on the November 2008 ballot to block the civil union law that had been passed by the Oregon Legislative Assembly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Legislative_Assembly).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-6) The legal issue centered on how the Oregon Secretary of State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Secretary_of_State) verified signatures on petitions.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-ww-4) On February 1, 2008, in Lemons v. Bradbury, he dismissed the lawsuit and lifted the injunction, with the law immediately going into effect.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-7)
Family[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_W._Mosman&action=edit&section=3&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)]Mosman is married to the former Suzanne Cannon Hogan, and they have five children.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-meridian-3) He is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_note-meridian-3)
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Jump up ^ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-1) "The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court: 2013 Membership" (http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/court2013.html). Federation of American Scientists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_American_Scientists). Retrieved June 9, 2013.
^ Jump up to: a (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-0) b (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-1) c (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-2) d (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-3) e (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-4) f (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-5) g (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-6) h (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-7) i (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-8) j (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-9) k (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-fjc_2-10) Judges of the United States: Michael W. Mosman. (http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=3034) Federal Judicial Center. Retrieved on February 9, 2008.
^ Jump up to: a (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-meridian_3-0) b (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-meridian_3-1) c (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-meridian_3-2) d (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-meridian_3-3) e (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-meridian_3-4) Cannon, Mark W. Record Six New LDS Federal Judges Appointed. (http://www.meridianmagazine.com/ideas/041101judges.html) Meridian Magazine. Retrieved on February 9, 2008.
^ Jump up to: a (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-ww_4-0) b (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-ww_4-1) c (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-ww_4-2) Beck, Byron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Beck_(blogger)). Domestic Partner Decision: Revisiting Old Wounds? (http://wweek.com/wwire/?p=10364) Willamette Week (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willamette_Week), December 31, 2007.
Jump up ^ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-5) "Nominations Sent to the Senate". White House Press Releases. September 5, 2001. |access-date= requires |url= (help (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#accessdate_missing_url))
Jump up ^ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-6) Pardington, Suzanne. Judge halts civil-unions law. The Oregonian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregonian), December 29, 2007.
Jump up ^ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman#cite_ref-7) Green, Ashbel S. Civil unions get the nod in Oregon. The Oregonian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregonian), February 2, 2008.


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Oregon Benchmarks (http://www.usdchs.org/news-letters/2004/benchmarks%20winter%202004.pdf)
Cases filed by Mosman (http://dockets.justia.com/browse/state-oregon/court-ordce/judge-Mosman/)
Ruling in Lemons v. Bradbury (http://ord.uscourts.gov/lemons/Judge%20Mosman's%20ruling%20in%20Lemons%20v%20Brad bury.pdf)



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[monty]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman

Is this some type of Mormon-CIA thing?

It is obvious that he is Mormon and simulateously serves as a judge on two federal courts. I am not seeing the CIA connection.

[palani]

How do you assume that they are an agent of the state when they will not identify themselves or who they work for? Which state? Local state, or the Federal state?

They are most likely de facto agents but the fact is the STATE tolerates them and doesn't prosecute them so they are agents. Had they an oath and bond then they MIGHT be de jure agents but that status requires YOU accept them.

Anyone can be a de facto agent. It doesn't require an oath or bond. A lot of people don't really like to get into law discussions with people holding guns to their heads. In my case, surrounded by around 10 uniformed officer and one criminal holding the gun and pretending to be a plain clothed lieutenant I asked if there were any PEACE OFFICERS present and nobody 'fessed up.

There are enough court cases around to prove that the acts of a de facto officer are valid.

[mick silver]

Clinton Foundation took massive payoffs, promised Hammond Ranch and other publicly owned lands to Russians along with one-fifth of our uranium ore
https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-foundation-payoffs-promised-hammond-ranch-other-publically-owned-lands-russia/ Whore of Babylon shreds Constitution, exposed as ultimate backer of massive U.S. land grab

[JohnQPublic]

It is obvious that he is Mormon and simulateously serves as a judge on two federal courts. I am not seeing the CIA connection.

Just a general thing. The number oif Mormons in the CIA (and FBI) is often considered high. Not sure how true this is. The Bundy's are Mormon.
(http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/04/3735830/bundy-mormonism/)
The CIA and the FBI have Mormon recruitment programs. (http://www.businessinsider.com/11-surprising-things-you-didnt-know-about-mormons-2011-6?op=1)

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4e04a1304bd7c81b1f0d0000-1200/the-cia-and-the-fbi-have-mormon-recruitment-programs.jpg
Greg Robbins via FlikrMormon missionaries in Barcelona.

The apparent incorruptibility of Mormons' moral righteousness make them ideal candidates for the nation's law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
Mormons are disproportionately represented in the CIA. A recruiter told the Salt Lake Tribune that returned Mormon missionaries are valued for their foreign language skills, abstinence from drugs and alcohol, and respect for authority

[monty]

Just a general thing. The number oif Mormons in the CIA (and FBI) is often considered high. Not sure how true this is. The Bundy's are Mormon.
(http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/04/3735830/bundy-mormonism/)
The CIA and the FBI have Mormon recruitment programs. (http://www.businessinsider.com/11-surprising-things-you-didnt-know-about-mormons-2011-6?op=1)

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4e04a1304bd7c81b1f0d0000-1200/the-cia-and-the-fbi-have-mormon-recruitment-programs.jpg
Greg Robbins via FlikrMormon missionaries in Barcelona.

The apparent incorruptibility of Mormons' moral righteousness make them ideal candidates for the nation's law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
Mormons are disproportionately represented in the CIA. A recruiter told the Salt Lake Tribune that returned Mormon missionaries are valued for their foreign language skills, abstinence from drugs and alcohol, and respect for authority

I was aware the FBI liked to hire returning missionaries for those reasons. I had not heard the same about the CIA.

LaVoy Finicum was also Mormon.

[7th trump]

Will this thread ever die???

Its over...so get over it!
I told you what was going to happen and it did.



Just a bunch of idiots out there. They are subjects on the owners land trying to convince the sheep they arent subjects and torched some land to conceal a crime......bad ending!
Get over the silly stupid shit.

[monty]

Will this thread ever die???

Its over...so get over it!
I told you what was going to happen and it did.



Just a bunch of idiots out there. They are subjects on the owners land trying to convince the sheep they arent subjects and torched some land to conceal a crime......bad ending!
Get over the silly stupid shit.


You don't have to read it. Obviously you have no idea of the lifestyle and landrights in the 16 western states. These grazing rights have been bought and sold like real property or passed down through inheritances, recorded in the county court houses since the mid 1800s, a good 80 years before the taylor grazing act. The BLM has no constitutional authority to purchase land. They, though underhanded methods, I have personally witnessed,have caused families to go broke fighting them in court, the ranchers usually prevailing, but financially destroyed and were forced to selL, THE BLM being the buyer. It is time to take a stand and defend the Constitution or forever live in slavery.

[Jerrylynnb]

What bothers me about this episode is what seems like out-and-out murder, premeditated, of Finicum with his hands out in the snow. At least three male figures are shown on that vidoe who are probably taking shots at him, and, then the one from the back just plugs him dead on, making him fall immediately and lay still. Then they just let him lay there, like a dead squirrel hit by a car on a busy road. This is INHUMANE, and, that is why I, at least, keep reading this long thread. I can't believe we here in America keep murderers like that on the payroll and protect even their names from being known and plastered all over on wanted posters.

An earlier post showed his daughters at his funeral making comments in front of some attendees at his funeral. I was mentally comparing their demeanor against that of that "Parker" fellow after Sandy Hook (the one who was joking just prior to getting "into character" before the cameras). These two daughters appeared to be geniune, whereas that Parker fellow appeared to be a slimeball ACTOR, and, that stark difference could serve all of us to discriminate between phony baloney stunts and the real thing. When these two girls told the crowd that they (these two) called him, "DADDY", their voices broke up and I don't believe this was an act, but, it was a natural reaction from loving daughters to the sudden and brutal murder of their father who will no longer be with them.

No, 7th Trump, there is plenty of good reason to keep this thread alive - unless you don't consider blatant murder to be of any consequence, in which case I have to wonder about where you are coming from. For me, and the many other readers of this thread, i want to see the results of a THOROUGH and INDIPENDENT investigation to the killing of Lavoy Finicum - complete with ALL VIDEOS and transcripts of ALL PLANNING sessions by these murderers who set up the ambush on a snow covered highway in Oregon. Until we get to the bottom of this, and, until the guilty parties are IDENTIFIED and properly indicted, we are nothing but potential targets of tyranny and that is not something to be so casual about.

[Tumbleweed]

This is another of "call of duty goddess's" videos that has a lot of food for thought in it. It's speculation on who these people are that are there causing trouble in Burns and what's behind it.

We were lead to believe the Jade Helm exercise was our government training people to fight terrorists in foreign countries but she speculates that they were really training them to fight the american people and crush any resistance to the will of the government.

She compares what we were told about what the planning was for Jade Helm with what's going on in Oregon now and makes connections that are cause for concern in my opinion.

Several years ago I read that our bankers and politicians were making deals to give foreign nations the natural resources in the west on "publicly owned" land if they would keep buying our debt. The Chinese were reluctant because they were afraid that armed americans would resist giving up their natural resources and wouldn't let the politicians follow through with their promises. They've already got our factories and technology, now they want our natural resources. We've been sold out by SOB's in our government.

I've traveled those roads hauling freight in south eastern Oregon and have passed through Jordan Valley, Burns and John Day. It's big, open, empty country and I saw very few people and cattle because it is so big and people and cattle are so scattered. It looks like that whole area is in the sights of the Federal Government for take over.

This video is kind of long but interesting and I believe it may answer a lot of questions about the people that have come in to the area and what they're really up to.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UehiEVkQSQk

[7th trump]

None of you fools understand the fact you're a subject....you have granted privileges....not rights!

Its like squaters trying to claim something is theirs when you actually hold the deed, title or what ever claiming ownership over the squaters.
I dont give a rats ass if there was 10000 generations having grazing privileges to a particular land mass. It does not trump someone wanting to buy it out from under the grazers who dont own the land. Booo fucking hooo!

Its a dead issue now with someone dead just as I predicted would happen. And all they do is cry, cry and cry. Maybe if these dumb asses had any intelligence they should have bought the land years ago instead of having mere grazing privileges and claiming something they dont own.

You peoples problem is you dont like hearing the truth....................wow!

[7th trump]

You don't have to read it. Obviously you have no idea of the lifestyle and landrights in the 16 western states. These grazing rights have been bought and sold like real property or passed down through inheritances, recorded in the county court houses since the mid 1800s, a good 80 years before the taylor grazing act. The BLM has no constitutional authority to purchase land. They, though underhanded methods, I have personally witnessed,have caused families to go broke fighting them in court, the ranchers usually prevailing, but financially destroyed and were forced to selL, THE BLM being the buyer. It is time to take a stand and defend the Constitution or forever live in slavery.

First clue your clueless....its not grazing rights..........its grazing privileges! Huge legal difference.
Second clue you're clueless.......just because something is recorded in a court house doesnt change a privilege into a right and doesnt trump a damn thing making you owner above all.
I could go on further pointing out your clueless but thats like arguing with a retard.

[monty]

First clue your clueless....its not grazing rights..........its grazing privileges! Huge legal difference.
Second clue you're clueless.......just because something is recorded in a court house doesnt change a privilege into a right and doesnt trump a damn thing making you owner above all.
I could go on further pointing out your clueless but thats like arguing with a retard.


BY 1916 THE WORST FEARS OF THE RANCHERS started to materialize. Their stockmen’s associations began to be weakened by “eastern” professionals, usually foresters,which returned to the original objectives of the northern core interests. The Forest Service became uneasy because the banks were beginning to recognize the rancher’s grazing rights as real property. Says Hage, “Bankers loaned money on the collateral value of the entire ranch including range and water rights on the forest. When ranches were sold the range and water rights were a part of the ranch sale.” 1
http://www.americaplundered.com/opeds/Bundy_Standoff--Part_5.pdf

They were still considered rights, which could be mortgaged even after the passage of the Taylor Grazing Act in 1934 up into the 1970's when the BLM and Forest Service began aggressivly forcing ranchers off the range and outof business.

[7th trump]

BY 1916 THE WORST FEARS OF THE RANCHERS started to materialize. Their stockmen’s associations began to be weakened by “eastern” professionals, usually foresters,which returned to the original objectives of the northern core interests. The Forest Service became uneasy because the banks were beginning to recognize the rancher’s grazing rights as real property. Says Hage, “Bankers loaned money on the collateral value of the entire ranch including range and water rights on the forest. When ranches were sold the range and water rights were a part of the ranch sale.” 1
http://www.americaplundered.com/opeds/Bundy_Standoff--Part_5.pdf

They were still considered rights, which could be mortgaged even after the passage of the Taylor Grazing Act in 1934 up into the 1970's when the BLM and Forest Service began aggressivly forcing ranchers off the range and outof business.





And again you fail to realize in 1916 there wasnt many subjects that were white. Whites didnt become subjects by the hundreds of thousands until after the Social Security Act by which they applied for a ssn.
Show me where in any one of the bill of rights that grazing is mentioned?

[palani]

you fail to realize in 1916 there wasnt many subjects that were white.
Really?

And you have knowledge that this is the case?

How old are you actually?

You do know what hearsay is don't you?

[7th trump]

Really?

And you have knowledge that this is the case?

How old are you actually?

You do know what hearsay is don't you?
Yeah....A good start is to go to the IRS website and see how many people filed federal taxes that year.

[palani]

Yeah....A good start is to go to the IRS website and see how many people filed federal taxes that year.
People don't pay federal income taxes. Corporations do.
And you haven't told me anything that you can actually testify to. You have opinions and hearsay.

Bag 'o wind!!!

[7th trump]

People don't pay federal income taxes. Corporations do.
And you haven't told me anything that you can actually testify to. You have opinions and hearsay.

Bag 'o wind!!!
Playing stupid palani games again....hahahaha!

Here ya go jackass!

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.1-1

§ 1.1-1 Income tax on individuals.
(a) General rule.
(1) Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States and,

Now you said yourself the 14th amendment produces a "subject" numerous times which I highly believe you'll deny after I shove this right in your pie hole for all to see.

Further on down the 1.1-1 regulation


(b) Citizens or residents of the United States liable to tax. In general, all citizens of the United States, wherever resident, and all resident alien individuals are liable to the income taxes imposed by the Code whether the income is received from sources within or without the United States. Pursuant to section 876, a nonresident alien individual who is a bona fide resident of a section 931 possession (as defined in § 1.931-1(c)(1) of this chapter) or Puerto Rico during the entire taxable year is, except as provided in section 931 or 933 with respect to income from sources within such possessions, subject to taxation in the same manner as a resident alien individual. As to tax on nonresident alien individuals, see sections 871 and 877.

(c) Who is a citizen. Every person born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen. For other rules governing the acquisition of citizenship, see chapters 1 and 2 of title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1401-1459). For rules governing loss of citizenship, see sections 349 to 357, inclusive, of such Act (8 U.S.C. 1481-1489), Schneider v. Rusk, (1964) 377 U.S. 163, and Rev. Rul. 70-506, C.B. 1970-2, 1. For rules pertaining to persons who are nationals but not citizens at birth, e.g., a person born in American Samoa, see section 308 of such Act (8 U.S.C. 1408). For special rules applicable to certain expatriates who have lost citizenship with a principal purpose of avoiding certain taxes, see section 877. A foreigner who has filed his declaration of intention of becoming a citizen but who has not yet been admitted to citizenship by a final order of a naturalization court is an alien.

(b) is telling you that only subjects are taxed........exactly as the Constitution allows the government.........only taxing the subjects......not "We the People"!
Take a good look at (c) moron.....its verbatim from the 14th amendment of who they are taxing.

Hows that foot of mine taste after I shoved it up your ass moron?


I'm so far ahead of your silly conspiracy ass palani..............you really are the fool you portray yourself to be.

I've had this information now for over a decade going on two.......you havent yet figured out your diapers are on backwards and upside down.

[Glass]

A person is a type of corporation - a franchise. Franchises are registered in D.C. registries.

A person is a not a people.

A right is not granted. A privilege is granted.

A right is claimed. ergo.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



There is no grant here. There is a claim of Right and a confirmation of that Right. Rights are claimed by action or word.

[mick silver]

Cliven Bundy Is On His Way To Oregon And He’s Not Going AloneSource: The PolitiStick (http://politistick.com/breaking-cliven-bundy-is-on-his-way-to-oregon-and-hes-not-going-alone/)Over the weekend, friends and family of Robert ‘Lavoy’ Finicum laid his body to rest. Finicum, who was one of those protesting against the federal takeover of land in western states in Burns, Oregon, was shot and killed by authorities. Witnesses to the shooting recount that Finicum was unarmed and had his hands up (http://politistick.com/eye-witness-report-bundy-protester-lavoy-finicum-shot-dead-with-his-hands-up/)when he was shot on January 26. http://i2.wp.com/23cv3m1dndsq45j54q3lf5le.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/clivenbundy-777x437.jpg?resize=217%2C122
There has been no public outcry for justice for Lavoy from the leftstream media. At the press conference regarding his death, the authorities did not even take questions. They stated that Finicum “had to be taken down.” Following the press conference, those in the room actually applauded. But one man is not standing by silently and is now on his way to Burns and Portland (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/cliven-bundy-is-coming-to-burns-portland/) to continue the demonstration.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who himself was at the center of a Bureau of Land Management (BLM) overreach is traveling to Oregon along with Nevada state assemblywoman Michele Fiore and lawmakers from other western states.
The group will be going to Portland to protest the incarceration of Cliven’s sons, Ammon and Ryan Bundy. Ryan was shot in the arm during the ambush by authorities. In speaking about the trip, Fiore expressed support for her constituent, Ryan Bundy.

“There is a Nevadan [Ryan Bundy] sitting in jail, and as an office holder, I will be there to demand his release. If that Nevadan can’t leave Oregon, we will bring Nevada to him. Peaceful, of course.”
The PolitiStick (http://politistick.com/the-bundy-occupation-do-they-have-a-point-heres-what-the-constitution-says-about-it/) reported about the protest by the group in late January. Ammon Bundy was largely seen as a leader of the group in their protest against the federal government overtaking so much land in Western states (http://politistick.com/the-bundy-occupation-do-they-have-a-point-heres-what-the-constitution-says-about-it/). The federal government unconstitutionally claims ownership of 85% of the land in Nevada and 53% in Oregon.
Bundy has served as the leader of a group of armed protesters who have occupied a wildlife refuge in Eastern Oregon to protest the claim of ownership of the majority of land in Western states. His father, Cliven, not only attended Finicum’s funeral in Kanab, Utah over the weekend, he also challenged the government for their occupation of the land in a formal declaration (http://politistick.com/breaking-cliven-bundy-issues-formal-declaration-to-feds-regarding-refuge-stand-off/) obtained by the PolitiStick on February 1.

“This is notice that We the People of Harney County and also We the People of the citizens of the United States DO GIVE NOTICE THAT WE WILL RETAIN POSSESSION OF THE HARNEY COUNTY RESOURCE CENTER.”
Bundy, Fiore, and the other lawmakers from Western states are expected to be in Portland by Thursday.



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[palani]

Playing stupid palani games again....hahahaha!

The 16th amendment added no new powers to congress. They always had the power to tax corporations. Your choice to become a corporation might not have been done with fully informed consent but when you play in the corporate world then you can't expect to be treated as a people anymore.

As Glass points out a person includes a corporation. As I have pointed out many times in the past the concept of person is described best by Hobbes as 1) an action 2) a word or 3) representation. Corporations ONLY exist by representation. People are the hands and feet of corporations. People are the vocal chords of corporations. Fiat money exists only in the corporate world. 12 USC 411 makes it clear that a FRN is ONLY for exchange between Federal Reserve Banks and their AGENTS. You insist upon being an AGENT of the federal corporation when you pretend that those FRNs are yours.

Your whole world is make believe. Time to wake up.

[7th trump]

The 16th amendment added no new powers to congress. They always had the power to tax corporations. Your choice to become a corporation might not have been done with fully informed consent but when you play in the corporate world then you can't expect to be treated as a people anymore.

As Glass points out a person includes a corporation. As I have pointed out many times in the past the concept of person is described best by Hobbes as 1) an action 2) a word or 3) representation. Corporations ONLY exist by representation. People are the hands and feet of corporations. People are the vocal chords of corporations. Fiat money exists only in the corporate world. 12 USC 411 makes it clear that a FRN is ONLY for exchange between Federal Reserve Banks and their AGENTS. You insist upon being an AGENT of the federal corporation when you pretend that those FRNs are yours.

Your whole world is make believe. Time to wake up.

Keep up the good work of showing you really don't know shit about taxes or the Constitution.
The 16th has nothing at all to do with giving extra powers to tax...any moron with half a brain can read what it says. All the 16th says is Congress is allowed to impose an income tax without the tax having to be apportioned. It exempted the income tax from being a direct tax which it is not....its an indirect tax because of Social Security.
No shit Sherlock......how many times have I said (before you had any clue) that We the People hold the Bill of Rights and US citizen only get mere privileges? And now you're playing the role as if you're instructing me.....hahaha!

No moron, there were millions of people not imposed the income tax way after 1913 when the federal reserve was enacted who had federal reserve notes in there pockets. Historical data shows that up until 1939 only 7 million were required to file a 1040 (even less in 1913: roughly 1 million if my memory is correct). That doubled to roughly 14 million in 1940 and has been on the incline like a rocket straight up ever since 1940.
So riddle me why between 1913 (1 million) and 1940 (14 million) that 13miullion people werent required to file a 1040 if they had paper fiat reserve currency in their pockets?
Not only are you lost in the law/s but your also lost in the many conspiracy tales you peddle Palani!
You're a god damned whackooooo!

[mick silver]

do you work in the new NSA building out there

[mick silver]

Audio of Haunting Oath Keepers Phone Call With LaVoy Finicum Two Days Before His Deathby Red Smith (https://shastalantern.net/author/red-smith/) · February 9, 2016

Article Courtesy of OathKeepers.org
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Recording of phone call by Oath Keepers to Lavoy Finicum, two days before his death, urging him and the Bundy brothers to make a “lateral, tactical move” to a constitutional sheriff’s county, to continue to spread the message of western land rights and organizing ranchers, under the protection of a strong sheriff, and warning him that all indicators pointed to the “the powers that be” being mere days away from shutting down their ability to spread that message, one way or another.

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 (just two days before his death) Lavoy Finicum was a guest on Jason Van Tatenhove’s radio show (The Patriot Report (http://www.thepatriot.report/))along with Stewart Rhodes, Founder and President of Oath Keepers. On the show, they discussed how Lavoy and Ammon Bundy’s message of western ranchers resistance to federal tyranny had begun to “catch fire” and was spreading to other counties and other states, with an additional eight ranchers (including in Utah and New Mexico) stepping up to declare their “emancipation” and independence from the BLM and USFS. They also discussed the great advantages to taking stands in counties that had strong constitutional sheriffs willing to interpose and protect the ranchers. Here is that discussion:
After the show Stewart Rhodes, Idaho Oath Keeper Todd Engle (veteran of Bundy Ranch) and Jason Van Tatenhove called Lavoy on the phone and warned him that it was clear that the FBI and the state of Oregon had put in place all the personnel (approximately 400 officers) and equipment needed to shut the occupiers down, and that by our estimation that action was imminent (within two to three days, tops). We urged him to consider making a tactical lateral move to a county with a strong constitutional sheriff, so that they could continue to spread the “brushfire” of liberty in the minds of other ranchers.
Jason had set his Skype account to record the show, but we didn’t realize at the time that it was still recording when we made the phone call to LaVoy after the show. We just discovered this recording:
PHONE CALL WITH LAVOY ON SUNDAY, JAN. 24, 2016:
Click links below to listen to phone calls:
10:40 (https://www.oathkeepers.org/new-audio-files-of-the-last-conversation-had-between-lavoy-finicum-stewart-rhodes-todd-engle-and-jason-van-tatenhove/)

13:40 (https://www.oathkeepers.org/new-audio-files-of-the-last-conversation-had-between-lavoy-finicum-stewart-rhodes-todd-engle-and-jason-van-tatenhove/)

NOTE FROM STEWART RHODES:



Some critical background – Todd Engle (an Idaho Oath Keepers leader and veteran of Bundy Ranch), along with an Oath Keeper with extensive military special operations experience (who prefers to remain anonymous), had traveled to Burns, OR, conducted an assessment of the federal/Oregon State Police strength and preparations, and then visited the refuge on Saturday, January 23, 2016 and sat down with Ammon Bundy and his bodyguard Brian Cavalier (“Booda”).
They warned Ammon and Booda that all the assets were in place for a federal cordon or raid, and that they estimated that within a few days (2-3) the FBI would make a move to shut them down, one way or another. They told Ammon that his tactical situation was FUBAR and the feds were not going to let Ammon and cohorts continue to come and go freely, or communicate freely, to spread their message. They strongly warned Ammon that he had reached the point of serious diminishing returns, and it was time to leave, while he still could.
They informed Ammon that, at a minimum, the FBI would put a cordon in place, block all ingress and egress (no more speaking events or meetings with other ranchers) and then kill all cell reception, internet, etc and prevent them from being able to communicate with anyone except the FBI negotiators. Therefore, they urged Ammon and his crew to leave and continue to spread their message from a better location. We were waiting to see some indicator that they had taken the advice to heart.
The next day, on Sunday, January 24, 2016, I was on Jason’s show with LaVoy, and LaVoy and I discussed how their message was spreading like wildfire throughout the West, and how the very best way to go when resisting federal oppression of ranchers is to have a strong constitutional sheriff to back up and protect the ranchers, with a united community serving as his posse. He agreed that this was ideal.
After the show, I asked Jason to call LaVoy, and I asked Todd to join us, so we could make sure LaVoy got the same information that Ammon had gotten the day before, and to encourage him to make a move to that strongest position possible – a county with a constitutional sheriff, with ranchers ready to stand, where they could continue to spread their message, educating and organizing ranchers, but now under the protection of a strong sheriff who would also protect the ranchers who were declaring independence from federal tyranny and lawlessness.
We discussed some strong Utah sheriffs as possibilities (not realizing they had already scheduled a meeting with Sheriff Glenn Palmer of Grant County, OR, apparently with a mind to spread the message and methods to Grant County, but not to actually relocate there). LaVoy told us he recognized the wisdom in what we were saying and that he would talk to Ammon and Ryan Bundy about it.
Unfortunately, they decided against following our advice, as was made clear in the video LaVoy made the next day, Jan 25, declaring that they were not leaving, and that the federal government was never getting those buildings back:

LaVoy also did an interview on Jan 25, just one day before he was killed, in which he discussed the increased federal presence and hardening of the feds’ posture:

As LaVoy himself noted, they were out in the middle of nowhere, and were focused on education, so why the rapidly escalating threat of force? Well, clearly the powers that be felt threatened by their message, with the two Oregon U.S. Senators later admitting that they considered the Bundy/Finicum message to be a “virus” that was spreading, and bragging that they had spoken directly with Valerie Jarrett (the “power behind the throne” in the White House and real decision maker/handler of Obama), and the FBI Director about the urgent need to shut that message down.
There was no physical threat to the community, and no real emergency, with Ammon and crew having traveled peaceably back and forth to multiple public events and meetings. But clearly there Was a POLITICAL emergency and the regime felt threatened by their ideals. And the Oregon Governor also stamped her feet and demanded immediate action to stop them (and remember, she commands the Oregon State Police). LaVoy’s blood is on their hands, for that is the reason for the “felony stop” and deadly barricade used to shut that “virus” of truth down.
SO, WHAT NOW?: A CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFF STRONG POINT
I have read many people asking “what next?” and “how do we do this better?” I think this final conversation with LaVoy can help provide an answer.
The single most effective and realistic way to do this better (at least until a state legislature and governor truly stands up) is to find a constitutional sheriff who is serious about taking a stand, with local ranchers in his county who are also serious, and use that county as a true strong point base of operations to spread that “virus” of educating and organizing resistance among ranchers, to reclaim western lands stolen from the states by the federal government. And that is the best way to counter the obvious intent of the powers that be to suppress and chill the spirit of resistance by having made an example out of Ammon, LaVoy, Ryan Bundy, and the others.
As I reminded LaVoy on the call, every single time a sheriff has stood up in defense of ranchers, farmers, etc, the feds have blinked and backed down. They have NEVER tried to run over such a sheriff, because the “optics” of doing so would be terrible for the regime. A duly elected sheriff, standing up for people’s rights, under his authority and duty pursuant to his oath, and backed up by all the patriots in his county, serving as his posse, provides us with a very strong position in terms of legitimacy, moral high ground, local support, unity of effort, and competent local leadership that can be sustained for the long haul, precisely because it is locally led. And all in defense of local ranchers who simply want to live and work in freedom, as they have for generations. In other words, far stronger than even Bundy Ranch, where the local sheriff was hostile and most support came from outside the area.
That is the kind of sustainable support and shelter Ammon/LaVoy’s “brushfires in the minds of men” needs. If you want to be sure that LaVoy did not die in vain, that is the way to do it. Yes, when a rancher is in trouble and asks for help, you may have no choice but to ride to his rescue even under less than ideal conditions. But if you have the luxury of choosing your ground, why not choose a county with a strong constitutional sheriff, rather than where the sheriff is hostile?
And now, more than ever, that needs to be done ASAP so the patriot movement out west has a strong point to carry on Ammon and LaVoy’s work – a strong “focus of effort” -and take some of the heat off of lone ranchers. Give Big Brother something to really worry about out West.
Who will be our Western “Walking Tall” Sheriff? That is the immediate question that needs to be answered.
Stewart Rhodes

NOTE FROM TODD ENGLE:
As I reflect on the events of the last month, I cannot help but feel dismayed at the lack of intelligence by some in this movement.
By all accounts, it’s the majority opinion that this operation, the occupation of the refuge, was an ill conceived, poorly planned boondoggle, which the final outcome has proven.
The parties involved were emotionally attached to this single, yet very important issue and that was their driving force; emotion and passion.
They sought no input or guidance from any of the leaders in the liberty movement and did not consider how it would affect the movement as a whole. Thus, they chose this battle for us and wrote checks their ass couldn’t cash.
We, especially in the west, empathize fully with the plight of the ranchers and farmers and are doing everything we can to curb the oppression that they’re under and restore their property rights in a manner that will not get us thrown into prison or worse, killed. Any and all actions that we take must be fully analyzed prior to implementation so as to guarantee a likelihood of success. In this case, they did not adhere to those principals.
As we begin to digest the killing of LaVoy, we must dissect what they did right and what they did wrong and never, and I repeat never dig in our heels in emotion and stubbornness when messengers have been sent to warn you of an imminent threat.
I pray for the family of LaVoy and am saddened at their loss but I would like everyone who’s extremely upset and out for blood to understand that once we enter the two way range, there’s no going back, so choose your actions wisely.
Todd Engel

Note from Jason Van Tatenhove;
There is a lot of people that take silence after a major event like we saw with the killing of LaVoy Finicum as a lack of action. Many times this notion is very far from the truth of the matter. This last week I and other members of the Oath Keepers have been quiet on the killing. This is not because of a lack of action. As these audio files will demonstrate we were actually very busy working behind the scenes trying diligently to help move LaVoy and the other members of the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom to a more strategically strong location to continue their free exercise of their right to speech, to peaceably assemble and petition of their government for a redress of grievances. Please note that this call was placed after my radio show and I still had the record function of my skype system left on.
Earlier in the week Oregon’s US senator Ron Wyden said the standoff was “a situation where the virus was spreading,” and action needed to be taken. What I truly believe that they were afraid of was not the occupiers who had occupied a facility that was in the middle of nowhere and not even being used in the middle of winter. What they were scared of was the fact that LaVoy’s message of emancipation from the BLM was beginning to spread like wildfire. The meeting they were traveling to at the time of the stop had over 400 community members that wanted to hear their message of unplugging from the current BLM system. They could not allow this wildfire of ideas and knowledge to continue spreading and I believe they took very affective steps to stop it. We must not let these ideas be stopped! we must pick up the torch that was dropped and continue to light the wildfires of liberty, freedom and knowledge.
Many of us in the Patriot / Liberty Movement are now asking ourselves where do we go from here. I earnestly and wholeheartedly believe that one of the best answers we have to this question lies in those counties in Utah that were discussed on my radio show two weeks back. Those counties where we have other patriot ranchers that have agreed to stand up and sign LaVoy’s Emancipation Proclamation committing to unplugging from the BLM system while they have a County Sheriff willing to stand behind them giving them the security and support so direly need.


For more information about The Patriot Report with Jason Van Tatenhove please visit the website:www.ThePatriot.Report (http://thepatriot.report/)

[mick silver]

Fanning the Flames of Freedom After Bundy Ranch http://thepatriot.report/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/flamesoffreedom-300x188.jpg (http://thepatriot.report/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/flamesoffreedom.jpg)
A spark was struck, not long ago, when a single cattle rancher took a stand and refused to pay grazing fees to an unelected federal agency. Many of us know Cliven Bundy’s stand kicked off one of our greatest victories and forced the Bureau of Land Management to back down. However, many don’t know what Cliven, and the patriots who stood with him, were really opposing. How many people really know how water and grazing rights work? Why did Cliven refuse to pay his grazing fees? What are these fees in the first place? How did the BLM get the authority to access them and enforce the laws around them? Why were all the other ranching families in the area pushed off their land and forced to give up their traditional way of life? Is there an overreaching plan that connects the agendas of the BLM and US Forest Service, to the ranchers and miners that have been run out of the family business? These are just some of the topics that LaVoy Finicum and I talk about in this exclusive Oath Keepers interview.
LaVoy Finicum is an Arizona rancher who stood with his fellow patriots at Bundy Ranch. He sat astride his horse, shoulder to shoulder with the Bundy’s along the ridge at Bunkerville. My memories of that event seem to have jumped out of a Louis L’amour novel depicting men of character and grit, standing up to immoral government agents. We had a victory there at Bundy Ranch, but it was only one battle in what is shaping up to be a long, drawn out war. One victory will not win our conflict but we had a second, more enduring, success from Bundy that will. Our campaign will be won by the dozens of sparks that came from Bundy, and are being fed into flames by men like LaVoy. Men who have decided that they will no longer be a part of a corrupt system that has tried again and again to kill our American way of life.
Please take the time to watch this interview with one of our newest fire starters LaVoy, Finicum. Help us to spread the word about this situation by sharing with your like-minded friends and family.
http://thepatriot.report/fanning-the-flames-of-freedom-after-bundy-ranch/
Jason Van Tatenhove
jason@oathkeepers.org

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[Tumbleweed]

Ammon Bundy still speaking out.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHIpezE44Rc

[Tumbleweed]

Live call from the refuge sounds like the siege is on by the FBI and people are trying to get the four people out of the refuge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlrSain0lk&feature=youtu.be

[cheka.]

Live call from the refuge sounds like the siege is on by the FBI and people are trying to get the four people out of the refuge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlrSain0lk&feature=youtu.be

stream flowing good. i'm tuned in - sounds like they have a line to one of the guys inside

[midnight rambler]

Cliven Bundy arrested in Portland by Feds. Gotta contain this 'virus'.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/nevada_rancher_cliven_bundy_de.html

[mick silver]

Oregon standoff: FBI moves in on last refuge occupiersSource: Oregon Live (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_fbi_moves_in_o.html)

The live stream that broadcast online what appears to be the last stage of the refuge occupation stopped after more than five hours. The phone feed ended as the occupiers headed to their night camp, preparing to surrender Thursday morning. They said they have a promise that the encircling FBI agents would leave them alone overnight.
BURNS – FBI agents in armored vehicles moved in Wednesday night on the last four occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, hemming them into their rough camp and insisting they put down their guns and surrender.

The occupiers rejected the demands for hours before one of them said they will turn themselves in at a checkpoint once a national religious figure and a Nevada state legislator arrive. It was scheduled for 8 a.m. Thursday, but it wasn't clear if the deal involved all of the four occupiers
Read More... (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_fbi_moves_in_o.html)
Share This Article... The standoff played out for hours through an open phone line being streamed to YouTube. At one point, an estimated 60,000 people listened as the occupiers displayed anger and panic, prayed with those on the phone and yelled at the FBI agents surrounding them.
They're the remainders of a group of anti-government militants who took over the wildlife refuge headquarters Jan. 2. The four have been on their own since Jan. 28 -- two days after the occupation leaders were arrested on a highway north of Burns and protest spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum was shot and killed.
Those left at the refuge 30 miles southeast of Burns are David Fry, 27, of the Cincinnati area, Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada, Sean Anderson, 47, and his wife Sandy, 48, of Riggins, Idaho.
The live stream provided a remarkable front row seat for the nation to listen in as the holdouts faced the FBI move. At points, a phone left on inside the occupiers' camp picked up demands from agents over loudspeakers.
"Come out with your hands up," a law enforcement official was heard saying.
Two hours into the confrontation, Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore was heading to the refuge trying to negotiate for the group's surrender and Christian evangelist Franklin Graham and others had offered to intercede on their behalf as well.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, the father of jailed occupation leader Ammon Bundy, also appeared to be heading to Burns, according to the "Official Bundy Ranch" Facebook page.
In a statement, the FBI said one of the occupiers rode an ATV outside their encampment at 4:30 p.m. When FBI agents tried to approach the driver, he returned "at a high rate of speed" to the camp. Agents then moved into position ahead and behind "the area where the occupiers are camping."
The FBI said negotiations were underway and that "no shots have been fired."

The holdouts all face arrest on a federal charge of conspiracy for their roles in the armed occupation. They are among 16 indicted on that charge. They were told they had to surrender.
"There's nowhere for you to go," one officer was heard saying.
Fry shouted back, "We're leaving tomorrow."
In a statement released in the middle of the showdown, Greg Bretzing, the FBI's special agent in charge in Oregon, said: "It has never been the FBI's desire to engage these armed occupiers in any way other than through dialogue, and to that end, the FBI has negotiated with patience and restraint in an effort to resolve the situation peacefully."
But, Bretzing said, "we reached a point where it became necessary to take action in a way that best ensured the safety of those on the refuge, the law enforcement officers who are on scene, and the people of Harney County who live and work in this area."
FBI tactical teams had quietly moved into the refuge compound Tuesday night, entering the buildings undetected by the occupiers. They apparently were in the buildings through the day Wednesday before agents moved against the encampment.
The occupiers talked over each other as the call moderator, identified on the Youtube feed as Gavin Seim, tried to sort out the identities and relayed calls for help to outside parties.
"Just hang in there," he said as he tried to give the occupiers encouragement and calm them down.
At one point on the audio, Sean Anderson was heard yelling, "Did your boss send you here to kill innocent Americans?"
At another point, an agent over a loudspeaker said: "David, I want to talk to you."
"What do you want?" Fry replied, then yelled, "You guys killed LaVoy" and "You let Obama bring terrorists into our country."
Sean Anderson said there were five armored vehicles around the camp. "They have way more guns than us. We need help. ... We will not fire until we're fired upon," he said.
Anderson also was heard saying: "Mark, you promised and you lied again," apparently referring to an FBI negotiator.
His wife chimed in that the four have been asked to put down their guns, but "our weapons are at our sides."
They said they had planned to meet Thursday with Fiore and that they had been told Cliven Bundy would appear as well. They also said they wanted someone to get in touch with Graham, the son of Billy Graham who had been in touch with the occupiers at one point.
"You promised Franklin Graham you wouldn't do this," Sandy Anderson. Graham runs the North Carolina-based evangelical organization named after his father.
Graham later called in, reaching Sean Anderson. Graham offered to be at the refuge at 7 a.m. Thursday to join the occupiers in walking out to surrender, Anderson said. It was unclear if the FBI would entertain such an offer. The occupiers reported that they were told by the FBI that no one else would be allowed onto the refuge.
Even then, Sandy Anderson seemed to balk at surrendering. "I am not going to jail for standing up for my rights," she said.
"If my wife says she's not leaving, I'm not leaving," her husband said.
Earlier in the night, Sean Anderson said that the occupiers would shoot only if fired upon. He said they all expected to be killed.
"And it's not self-inflicted wounds either," Sandy Anderson said.
Fry yelled, "You don't need to go to hell for killing us."
They prayed at one point, and Sean Anderson repeatedly asked those listening in to the broadcast to pray.
Later, Sandy Anderson yelled: "They got ahold of another legislator!" when she was told Washington state Rep. Matt Shea of Spokane Valley had been reached by supporters outside the refuge. Shea had been part of a group of state legislators who visited the site in late January.
As the standoff continued, Fiore, the Nevada assemblywoman, got on the live stream line to offer to negotiate between the occupiers and the FBI. Fiore had just arrived in Portland and was scheduled to appear Thursday at a news conference in support of Ammon Bundy. For hours, Fiore stayed on the line as she rode in a car with other state legislators in a race to reach the refuge and walk the occupiers out.
Over and over, Fiore stopped the conversation to lead or ask someone to lead the group in prayer. The Andersons were the most frequently heard voices. At one point, Banta talked with Fiore but only for moments and otherwise he could not be heard. Fry also disappeared from the feed, apparently stepping away from the phone to deal with the FBI agents surrounding them.
For a time, Fry was on a second phone talking to an FBI negotiator. He was apparently told that the agent wouldn't talk to the legislator. Only Fry's part of the conversation was audible.
"I will come to the refuge," Fiore said. "They have to let someone to negotiate. We cannot afford more bloodshed."
She urged the four to keep calm as she tried to get directly to the FBI by phone.
"Listen, we're not coming out," Fry was heard saying on the phone to the FBI negotiator. "You need to find another option."
Fiore told the occupiers that she needs Gov. Kate Brown or Harney County Sheriff David Ward to intercede to get her to the refuge.
"There is no reason to shoot you," Fiore told the group.
But Sean Anderson said they feared being shot anyway.
"We will hold them accountable in the courts like they hold us accountable," Fiore said.
"Listen, listen," she said, trying to keep the occupiers focused on her.
She told them that some of the defendants in the case have been released from jail after their arrest while the charges are pending. "The Constitution is there to protect the people from the government," she said.
At that point, Sandy Anderson said the armored vehicles were moving closer, prompting Fiore to urge her to take a deep breath and pray with her. In the background, Fry can be heard yelling at the FBI agents.
Earlier as the occupiers tried to reach someone that could help them, Sean Anderson said, "Someone call Sheriff Palmer," referring to Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer.
His wife echoed him: "Call Sheriff Palmer."
Palmer met twice with occupation leaders in his neighboring county and was to share the stage with the key figures at a community meeting when the arrests and Finicum shooting took place on U.S. 395 about 20 miles north of Burns. He has come under criticism for his apparent support of the militants.
People were calling the sheriff's office and the John Day dispatch center, which handles calls for Grant County police agencies, urging that Palmer intercede.
Ammon Bundy and other occupation leaders originally took over the headquarters compound of the federal wildlife refuge on Jan. 2 in support of two imprisoned local ranchers and in protest of federal land ownership. The compound has been cordoned off by law enforcement officials since Jan. 27.
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Click for larger image (http://media.oregonlive.com/data/images/2016/02/10/map-01.jpg)The four holdouts have been camped in a parking area next to the complex of buildings. They have posted video reports off and on, showing their camp of pickup trucks and ATVs arranged in a rough circle, with tarps and tents providing shelter.
There have been repeated efforts to bring the occupation to a conclusion. Ammon Bundy, who participated in an armed standoff in 2014 at his father's ranch over grazing fees, has issued written and taped statements through his attorneys urging the four to leave the refuge. The FBI has continued telephone negotiations for days, but Fry and the others have insisted they wouldn't leave unless they had immunity from arrest.
Fry played a role throughout the occupation providing social media help to the protesters. The Andersons, transplants to Idaho from Wisconsin, had made several trips to the refuge since Bundy's group took it over. Banta, a construction worker, arrived just the day before Bundy was arrested.
The FBI and state police set up a roadblock Jan. 26 on the highway between Burns and John Day as Bundy, occupation spokesman Finicum and several others traveled in a Jeep and truck to talk to people in Grant County about their cause. They took Bundy into custody without incident, but troopers shot Finicum when he got out of his truck and appeared to reach into a pocket, the FBI said. Finicum was carrying a loaded 9mm handgun, the FBI said.
A federal grand jury in Portland has returned indictments against Bundy and 15 others in the case, including the four holdouts, on one charge each of conspiracy to impede federal officers through intimidation, threats or force.
The indictments accuse them of conspiring to prevent employees of the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service from working at the refuge, taking over the property with guns and intimidating the people of Harney County.
All are accused of occupying the federal property "while using and carrying firearms,'' threatening violence against anybody who attempted to remove them from the refuge and using social media and other means of communication to recruit and encourage others to join them.
The conspiracy charge is a felony and carries a maximum six-year prison sentence and fines.
-- Les Zaitz (lzaitz@oregonian.com)

[Ares]

They couldn't of picked a worst place to try and defend......

Everyone told them that it was a stupid move to pick a fight. Now Cliven has gone and gotten himself arrested over this as well..

[mick silver]

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The FBI entered the compound at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Tuesday night without being discovered by the four remaining occupiers, before moving in on the militiamen on Wednesday, The Oregonian (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_fbi_moves_in_o.html#incart_big-photo) reported.

Per The Oregonian:

FBI tactical teams had quietly moved into the refuge compound Tuesday night, entering the buildings undetected by the occupiers. They apparently were in the buildings through the day Wednesday before agents moved against the encampment.
FBI agents then moved in on Wednesday night (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/the-fbi-prepares-to-end-oregon-standoff) after spotting one of the occupiers leaving the militia's encampment in an ATV. Law enforcement approached the ATV, which then quickly returned to camp. The FBI then surrounded the occupiers' camp in armored vehicles and set up barricades.

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After negotiations with the FBI and Nevada state lawmaker Michelle Fiore -- a longtime ally of the Bundy family -- the occupiers agreed to turn themselves in (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/last-four-armed-occupiers-say-they-will-turn-themselves-into-fbi-on-thursday) to authorities Thursday morning.
Federal authorities also arrested Cliven Bundy (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cliven-bundy-arrested-portland) on Wednesday night at the Portland airport, but it's not clear what the elder Bundy was charged with.

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[monty]

John B. Wells Caravan to Midnight with Chris Briels, retired Burns fire chief. 2 hours. Chris Briels stands by his convictions.


http://youtu.be/jYSdFvB6YbA

Youtube Link http://youtu.be/jYSdFvB6YbA

[monty]

http://s19.postimg.org/et2f66wgz/image.jpgNevada's "Second Amendment" Assemblywoman, Michelle Fiore





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[mick silver]

“The Republic with liberty and justice for all.”

[monty]

Watchman News Live feed @ refuge roadblock


http://youtu.be/_lAYQLD-ZuY

youtube link: http://youtu.be/_lAYQLD-ZuY

[midnight rambler]

Four holdouts surrender...er, I mean 'turn themselves in' -

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/watch_live_video_feed_from_the.html

[Ares]

Four holdouts surrender...er, I mean 'turn themselves in' -

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/watch_live_video_feed_from_the.html

And all the ranting and raving of "Fuck the FBI" will be used as evidence for their Anti-Government rhetoric during the court proceedings.

[midnight rambler]

And all the ranting and raving of "Fuck the FBI" will be used as evidence for their Anti-Government rhetoric during the court proceedings.

Yeah, they thumbed their noses at law enforcement and we just can't have that.

Let's not forget that that criminal character Lavoy whatever failed to respond to police commands and was killed when reaching for that loaded 9mm he had concealed on his person, which of course was a stolen gun (criminals will be criminals), all according the the FBI. And of course the FBI would never misrepresent anything, them being the paragons of virtue and all.

[collector]

The FBI agents and all other police are allowed to lie, of course they're only lying when you can prove they've lied - or when it's to their advantage to admit that they did. Otherwise, they're the poster boys of honesty and integrity

[Ares]

EXCLUSIVE: FBI sting to arrest 86 Americans in massive BLM cover-up

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, 74, was arrested late yesterday evening while exiting a plane at Portland International Airport on his way to Burns, Ore., a town located 30 miles south of the federally owned Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the site of a months-long standoff between free-loving land owners and the U.S. government.

Celebrated for standing up to government land-grabs in 2014, Bundy has been charged with conspiracy to interfere with a federal officer, an allegation that reportedly stems back to his standoff with the Bureau of Land Management, which tried stripping he and his family of land-use rights they spent a century earning. The charges are identical to those filed against seven protestors (including his son Ammon Bundy) who occupied the wildlife refuge in protest of government overreach.

NewsTarget has received exclusive information that Bundy’s arrest, which was made using facial recognition technology and TSA goons, may not be isolated, but is in fact the first of many to come in an effort to silence those who obtained incriminating information about the BLM and its unlawful land grabs.
Government uses facial recognition to apprehend libertarian activists

While taking up occupancy of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, protestors reportedly gained access to sensitive information stored on the computers there, revealing sinister plans by the BLM to confiscate privately owned land before auctioning it off corporate interests, according a source who requested anonymity.

In an effort to suppress this information, the FBI is believed to be conducting a nationwide warrant roundup of protestors and independent journalists involved in the recent protests and standoffs against the federal government. A total of 86 people, including Bundy, are believed to be on the FBI’s roundup list and could subsequently be arrested for their “crimes.”

The war on indie journalists and citizen protesters refusing to fall in line with the government’s increasing tyrannical actions is escalating. Radio show host Pete Santilli, who merely covered the wildlife occupation as a citizen journalist, never spending a single night at the refuge, was also arrested on felony conspiratorial charges.

When asked about his role at the wildlife refuge occupation, Santilli replied: “My role is the same here that it was at the Bundy ranch. To talk about the constitutional implications of what is going on here. The Constitution cannot be negotiated.”

Constitutional law and human rights attorney John Whitehead wrote that “the government doesn’t actually believe that 50-year-old Santilli is an accomplice to any criminal activity. Read between the line and you’ll find that what the government is really accusing Santilli of is employing dangerous speech.

“As court documents indicate, the government is prosecuting Santilli solely as a reporter of information. In other words, they’re making an example of him, which is consistent with the government’s ongoing efforts to intimidate members of the media who portray the government in a less than favorable light.”

The Obama’s administrations notorious crackdown on journalists is part of a large-scale government effort to use political correctness and accusations of hate speech to silence First Amendment rights – in turn attempting to destroy citizen journalism, the only faucet of journalism that remains uncontrolled by the establishment.

http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11-exclusive-fbi-sting-to-arrest-86-americans-in-massive-blm-cover-up.html

[cheka.]

more and stronger evidence that a false flag is up for discussion

[monty]

Hitler on the Malheur siege. In the 1950's there were a half dozen Federal crimes, counterfeiting, mail fraud, kidnapping across state lines, and crimes involving interstate commerce. FBI agents wore business suits, and sought permission from the county sheriff before poking around in his county. Where did we go wrong?


http://youtu.be/0ttiK1n4Byg

Youtube link: http://youtu.be/0ttiK1n4Byg

[midnight rambler]

Where did we go wrong?

The Money Powers. They live, we sleep.

A total of 25 have been charged so far in the 'Oregon occupation'.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_RANCHING_STANDOFF_NOT_BACKING_OFF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-12-23-23-52

[monty]

The Money Powers. They live, we sleep.

Assholes like Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton being bought off, not caring about the future of their own grandchildren and the grandchildren's grandchildren.

Our country will go the way of the Soviet Union before things improve.

[midnight rambler]

Assholes like Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton being bought off, not caring about the future of their own grandchildren and the grandchildren's grandchildren.

Our country will go the way of the Soviet Union before things improve.

When you suggest 'will go' I'm hoping you're referring to the dissolution of US, Inc. aka USSA aka The District under the unlawful, illegitimate 14th amendment similar to the dissolution of the USSR some 25 years ago. FWIW, after that Russia has come back for the better.

[palani]

I'm hoping you're referring to the dissolution of US, Inc.

While not a beneficiary of any 14th amendment government I can nonetheless be somewhat thankful that the poor freed slaves of the U.S. of A. have been taken care of by the present occupant of the oval office. When you consider that the municipality is the officers that represent the corporation the debt which had been Bush's and Clinton's before him now rests upon he and he alone. He might have chosen to avoid the office and cast all the poor folk into chaos because they just don't understand what is going on.

[p.s. just to make it clear.... The poor people of the Americas includes Donald Trump and Hitlery Clinton ... people so destitute of knowledge that they have to pretend they are wealthy when the truth is far from that]

[monty]

When you suggest 'will go' I'm hoping you're referring to the dissolution of US, Inc. aka USSA aka The District under the unlawful, illegitimate 14th amendment similar to the dissolution of the USSR some 25 years ago. FWIW, after that Russia has come back for the better.

Yes, I do mean that, with a complete rebuild from whatever remains.

[mick silver]

Constitutional Lawyer KrisAnne Hall Discusses Final Moments of Oregon StandoffBy Joshua Cook (http://truthinmedia.com/author/joshuacook/) -
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The four remaining occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge have surrendered, ending the standoff on its 41st day. Rev. Franklin Graham and Assemblywoman Michele Fiore helped persuaded the four occupiers to surrender peacefully and convinced the FBI not to use aggressive force.
But why were the occupiers there in the first place? Farmers and ranchers have been battling the federal government for decades taking more and more of their land.
For more information on what caused the Oregon Standoff, click here. (http://truthinmedia.com/exclusive-sheriff-mack-oregon-standoff-hammond/)



In an exclusive interview with Truth In Media’s Joshua Cook, constitutional lawyer KrisAnne Hall talks about the dramatic events that led up to the final moments of the standoff and how concerned Americans can fight an overreaching federal government peacefully and successfully.
Watch the entire interview in the above video.


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Joshua Cook is a writer and reporter for Truth In Media. He has interviewed many politicians including Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Walter Jones, Bob Graham, Trey Gowdy and thought leaders who shape U.S. policy. Cook is also an associate producer of the mini documentary: CDC, Vaccines and Autism. If you have any tips please email him at joshua@truthinmedia.com. Find him on Twitter @RealJoshuaCook

[midnight rambler]

Yes, I do mean that, with a complete rebuild from whatever remains.

I shutter to think what a country populated with mostly reprobates (those who've disavowed/turned away from the Creator) would come up with.

[monty]

I shutter to think what a country populated with mostly reprobates (those who've disavowed/turned away from the Creator) would come up with.


I don't see an alternative. The current population is apathetic. Collapse is imminent, this debt based lie cannot continue muchlonger. Perhaps those reprobates will not survive the resulting caos. I don't think they will. The survivors, if any, likely will be the rural people, and inhabitants of small isolated communities. I will venture to guess these people are Christians, and after surviving such an ordeal will rely on the Creator to guide them in their endeavors to create a new system of government. If atomic war results there may be no survivors.

[Tumbleweed]

I don't know if anyone else has followed the reporter from Nebraska, Lorry Storm. Call of duty goddess had a video with one of her reports from Burns.

She has done three more besides the one call of duty goddess had on her video that can be found at this link.

http://www.twisterradio.com/Archives.html (http://www.twisterradio.com/Archives.html)

I can't find them anywhere else so I guess you'll just have to go there, download and listen to them. They are the whole radio program so you have to scroll ahead when you come to the commercials.

They're interesting and there is information on them that I hadn't heard before. She and her
radio host are still asleep to the Jew lies about Hitler and WWII like most people so they mention some Jew brainwashing about that a couple of times.

[PatColo]

The war on indie journalists and citizen protesters refusing to fall in line with the government’s increasing tyrannical actions is escalating. Radio show host Pete Santilli, who merely covered the wildlife occupation as a citizen journalist, never spending a single night at the refuge, was also arrested on felony conspiratorial charges.

When asked about his role at the wildlife refuge occupation, Santilli replied: “My role is the same here that it was at the Bundy ranch. To talk about the constitutional implications of what is going on here. The Constitution cannot be negotiated.”

Constitutional law and human rights attorney John Whitehead wrote that “the government doesn’t actually believe that 50-year-old Santilli is an accomplice to any criminal activity. Read between the line and you’ll find that what the government is really accusing Santilli of is employing dangerous speech.

“As court documents indicate, the government is prosecuting Santilli solely as a reporter of information. In other words, they’re making an example of him, which is consistent with the government’s ongoing efforts to intimidate members of the media who portray the government in a less than favorable light.”


Be interesting to see what if anything happens to shamshilli; given the wide suspicion that he's an fbi stooge (think: Hal Turner), as claimed by the likes of Vinny Eastwood who's been on the war path against PS.

From what little of PS's daily streams I watched, I didn't see anything suspicious. And if "they" cut PS free, it still wouldn't be conclusive that he's compromised, as I didn't see anything they could legitimately prosecute him for.

[mick silver]

Showdown in Oregon: How to - and How Not to Fight Tyranny


January 7, 2016 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - The showdown between armed ranchers and federal agents in the US state of Oregon has triggered passionate debates not only about the particulars of the standoff itself, but the precise manner in which people should stand up against an increasingly overbearing government and the corporate-financier special interests that have commandeered it.


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Wall Street and Washington have left the country itself in socioeconomic shambles. Abroad, these collective special interests are subverting nations politically and economically from Venezuela to Southeast Asia, waging war throughout North Africa and the Middle East, while propping up criminal client regimes in nations like Ukraine.

A handful of armed ranchers with a few boxes of supplies, who live within and are completely dependent on a system controlled by the very special interests they are standing up against, will do little to change the military, economic, political, and social factors that add up to the above described global equation.

The ranchers' supply cache looks like it was picked up from one of America's many mega-retailers, the literal consumerist feeding troughs that keep the American people perpetually in servile dependence, and the Fortune 500 deeply entrenched amid the unwarranted power and influence it has enjoyed for decades and is able to wield at home and abroad with virtual impunity.

It is not unlike a group of American G.I.'s trying to fight the Germans during WW2, while buying German rations, from the Germans, all while leaving German supply lines completely intact. They would not only be preserving their enemy's source of strength to fight, but paying into it. The harder they "fought" the more supplies they would need, and the stronger their enemy would become.

The ranchers' standoff, from a purely strategic point-of-view, is already a failure. No matter who is really behind it, and no matter how it plays out, the actions of the ranchers at best will cause the government to back down on this one particular issue, and only for this particular case At worse, it will only further justify the growing police state evolving within America's borders. Regardless, it will do absolutely nothing to change the balance of power enabling Wall Street and Washington at home or abroad.

How to Fight Tyranny

A growing tyranny is not entirely unlike an insurgency. The terms insurgency and counterinsurgency can quickly become confusing in a politically motivated context. However, generally speaking, an insurgency seeks to overthrow an established institution or political order, while a counterinsurgency seeks to maintain that order.

In the United States, and around much of the world where the nation-state still prevails, the established order is one of national sovereignty based on constitutions and charters produced by each respective nation, with an infrastructure built and improved upon over generations by each nation's respective cultures, economic activities, and innovations. From a nation's national courts and military, all the way down to the individual family, these are the established institutions of one's nation.




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Image: The problem goes beyond the various government agencies that torment us, be it land departments perceived to be harassing ranchers, or police perceived to be harassing African-Americans, and stems from the unwarranted power and influence the government wields due to the corporate-financier interests that have commandeered it to serve its own interests. A few guns and a box of supplies bought at Walmart will not solve a problem that, ironically, includes Walmart.




There is an insurgency to subvert all of this. A global corporate-financier (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/naming-names-your-real-government.html) insurgency, or simply a "corporate-insurgency."

The corporate-insurgency seeks to subvert our institutions, starting with the family, extending to our schools, universities, churches, temples and mosques, our local sheriff, and even reaching into our national governments, rewriting or eradicating altogether our national constitutions and charters. It has, to a great extent, already subverted our independent local infrastructure, while implementing laws and regulations to prevent us from restoring it. We have the very tactics described in a vast library of government and military counterinsurgency documents being employed against us, where ever we are and to a profound effect.

"Insurgency is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a region. As such, it is primarily a political struggle, in which both sides use armed force to create space for their political, economic and influence activities to be effective. Insurgency is not always conducted by a single group with a centralized, military-style command structure, but may involve a complex matrix of different actors with various aims, loosely connected in dynamic and non-hierarchical networks. To be successful, insurgencies require charismatic leadership, supporters, recruits, supplies, safe havens and funding (often from illicit activities). They only need the active support of a few enabling individuals, but the passive acquiescence of a large proportion of the contested population will give a higher probability of success. This is best achieved when the political cause of the insurgency has strong appeal, manipulating religious, tribal or local identity to exploit common societal grievances or needs. Insurgents seek to gain control of populations through a combination of persuasion, subversion and coercion while using guerrilla tactics to offset the strengths of government security forces. Their intent is usually to protract the struggle, exhaust the government and win sufficient popular support to force capitulation or political accommodation. Consequently, insurgencies evolve through a series of stages, though the progression and outcome will be different in almost every case." - page 7 U.S. Government Counterinsurgency Guide, 2009 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111163743/US-Government-Guide-to-Counterinsurgency) (emphasis added)
While this above quote is a most accurate description of an insurgency, as one reads the US Government Counterinsurgency Guide (2009) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111163743/US-Government-Guide-to-Counterinsurgency), they will realize that the opposing methods of counterinsurgency itself involve all of these same factors, simply mirrored and reflecting the interests of the US versus the interests of targeted "insurgencies."



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Image: The cover of the US Government Counterinsurgency Guide (2009) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111163743/US-Government-Guide-to-Counterinsurgency) features the signatures representing the trifecta of modern day empire, covert operations (USAID), military force (Department of Defense), and system administration (the State Department (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/us-department-of-imperial-expansion.html)). COIN describes the methods by which empire is implemented at a grassroots level.


As a matter of fact, what is described by the 2009 counterinsurgency (COIN) guide, is an accurate description of how political control has been achieved and maintained by all governments throughout the entirety of human history - it also forms the foundation of modern empire (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/02/empires-double-edged-sword-global.html).


Understanding this is key to finding solutions when one finds themselves under the subjugation of an unfavorable political ideology or system. The tactics the guide describes can, and often are, used by either side in any political struggle, not necessarily only in an armed "insurgency."

COIN is a socioeconomic-tactical synthesis, an interdisciplinary strategy based on an understanding of how a society functions, how to organize human resources to multiple force, and what needs and desires motivate individuals, as well as how these can be manipulated and controlled to collectively motivate a society. These more technical concepts are generally absent from everyday political discourse, and equally absent or incomplete in regards to finding solutions for a failing or unfavorable system.

Insurgency and Counterinsurgency: How to Fight Back
While the US Government COIN guide gives us a clear picture over the governmental-military interdisciplinary aspects of COIN, the Marine Corps Field Manual 3-24 (FM 3-24) provides us with a complete picture of the actual components of an insurgency and all the relating factors that affect it.


This includes an enumerated list of services, institutions, organizations, and processes that must be controlled in order to establish political, tactical, and economic primacy. Without these, counterinsurgency fails. Without these, any political movement seeking to assert itself over a flawed or failing system, fails.



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USMC Counterinsurgency FM 3-24. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/111171407/Counterinsurgency-USMC-FM-3-24)



While FM 3-24 deals with an armed insurgency, presumably in a foreign country, the basic concepts can and are applied to the relatively peaceful execution of real political power throughout the world as well. The reason why so many well-intentioned political solutions fall short, is because they are tailored without understanding these basic concepts.

1. Establishing Essential Services

When attempting to establish political primacy - essential services, basic infrastructure, economic development and administration must all be controlled by the counterinsurgency. It is upon these basic aspects of modern society that people depend, and from which popular support is sustainably derived. Strength in arms alone will fail utterly unless these aspects are secured, controlled, and developed properly.


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Upon page 117, the manual discusses the establishment or restoration of essential services. It states specifically (emphasis added):

Essential services address the life support needs of the HN [host-nation] population. The U.S. military’s primary task is normally to provide a safe and secure environment. HN or interagency organizations can then develop the services or infrastructure needed. In an unstable environment, the military may initially have the leading role. Other agencies may not be present or might not have enough capability or capacity to meet HN needs. Therefore, COIN military planning includes preparing to perform these tasks for an extended period.
Any goal, no matter how well-planned, noble, or progressive, cannot be achieved before these basic services are established and capable of being sustainably maintained. The military is a highly trained, disciplined, well organized institution capable of developing, maintaining, as well as protecting these services. In our local communities around the world, we have to ask ourselves how we can similarly develop and maintain these services sustainably.

Community gardens, farmers' markets, alternative energy and energy cooperatives, and many other local initiatives shift the power and influence centralized governments and corporate-financier special interests enjoy, away from their monopolies and toward our local communities. Communities that no longer dependent on these special interests are less likely to support them and more likely to defend vigorously infrastructure they are directly invested in.




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Image: Local energy cooperatives - maybe not as exciting as a shootout with the Feds, but definitely more constructive and unlike a shootout with the Feds, will actually leave the balance of power tipped slightly greater in the people's favor...



The task is not entirely as daunting as it may seem. Local communities around the world accomplish this through a combination of traditional and newly created local institutions (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/09/tipping-balance-of-power.html). Most local communities around the world operate with the added advantage that the corporate-insurgency they face is low-intensity and generally not armed. For prospective activists, auditing what their communities already possess, and how to develop it to be more organized and effective would be a good first step.

Some other initial priorities identified by the manual include the following taken from page 122:



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Many communities already possess the ability to do these activities on their own. Points such as "building an indigenous local security force" might translate into efforts to empower local sheriff offices to negate intrusive, unconstitutional federal government control. It might also include the establishment of professional neighborhood watches and shooting clubs where responsible gun ownership is taught - not only to gun enthusiasts, but inclusively to community demographics not traditionally associated with firearm ownership.


Building and improving schools might translate into expanding and improving local home schooling networks, leveraging freely available open-courseware online (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCourseWare), and opening after-school tutoring centers giving remedial classes or teaching trades and skills not taught at existing educational institutions.




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Image: Growing food organically, locally, undermines big-ag and big-retail. It also redistributes wealth not through government programs that breed dependency amongst the population, but through local entrepreneurship where people directly participate in and benefit from productive economic activity.

[mick silver]

Image: Growing food organically, locally, undermines big-ag and big-retail. It also redistributes wealth not through government programs that breed dependency amongst the population, but through local entrepreneurship where people directly participate in and benefit from productive economic activity.




Ultimately, most communities are not faced with absolute destitution. For the most part, basic services exist. The problem really is that these services are carried out in some cases by "corporate-insurgents" and play an essential role in building legitimacy and a support base dependent on the corporate-insurgency for these services. Therefore, the goal should be to take ownership over the execution of these basic services which can be done as a community effort or as a local, small business. The precept of "boycott and replace" is the equivalent of the "take, hold, and rebuild" doctrine in military "nation-building" and counterinsurgency.

2. Economic Development

On page 119 of the report, it states the importance of expanding on basic services and supporting economic development. It states specifically:
The short-term aspect concerns immediate problems, such as large-scale unemployment and reestablishing an economy at all levels. The long-term aspect involves stimulating indigenous, robust, and broad economic activity. The stability a nation enjoys is often related to its people’s economic situation and its adherence to the rule of law. However, a nation’s economic health also depends on its government’s ability to continuously secure its population.

Planning economic development requires understanding the society, culture, and operational environment. For example, in a rural society, land ownership and the availability of agricultural equipment, feed, and fertilizer may be the chief parts of any economic development plan. In an urban, diversified society, the availability of jobs and the infrastructure to support commercial activities may be more important. Except for completely socialist economies, governments do not create jobs other than in the public bureaucracy. However, the micro economy can be positively stimulated by encouraging small businesses development. Jump-starting small businesses requires micro finance in the form of some sort of banking activities [now easily done via crowd funding]. So then, supporting economic development requires attention to both the macro economy and the micro economy.

Without a viable economy and employment opportunities, the public is likely to pursue false promises offered by insurgents. Sometimes insurgents foster the conditions keeping the economy stagnant. Insurgencies attempt to exploit a lack of employment or job opportunities to gain active and passive support for their cause and ultimately undermine the government’s legitimacy. Unemployed males of military age may join the insurgency to provide for their families. Hiring these people for public works projects or a local civil defense corps can remove the economic incentive to join the insurgency.
The report then goes on to list the major categories of economic activity that it implies are essential for the counterinsurgency to control:

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Clearly all of these industries are dominated by corporate-financier special interests and their "corporate-insurgency." One need not stretch their imagination here to see how the economic crisis created by corporate-financier interests across the West and spreading around the world is comparable to the sort of economic challenges facing a post-war nation fighting an armed insurgency.




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Image: Through crowdfunding platforms like Kickstarter, local communities can "jump-start" local businesses and their local economies without banking monopolies being involved or possessing leverage over the community long after loans are granted.






The description and redresses described on page 119 are particularly relevant, and if we consider the corporate-financier interests who have overtaken our government and institutions as the insurgency, we must see it within ourselves and our communities to search for the energy and initiative to begin local economic development.

And again, where the military possesses the ability and the resources to do this on their own, or with other government institutions assisting - local communities must develop their own institutions to accomplish these same goals themselves. Hackerspaces and farmers' markets represent two organized efforts to develop economic opportunities locally, and present viable models that can be expanded into other industries.

3. Logistics

An entire section of the counterinsurgency field manual is dedicated to logistics. The importance of managing logistical lines not only enable an army to conduct counterinsurgency operations efficiently, but deny the insurgency supplies to conduct their operations. As it is pointed out, throughout history, insurgencies many times supply themselves off of carelessly protected counterinsurgency supply lines.

The report states on page 169 (emphasis added):
Insurgents have a long history of exploiting their enemies’ lines of communications as sources of supply. During the Revolutionary War, American forces significantly provisioned themselves from the British Army’s overindulgent and carelessly defended logistic tail. In the 1930s, Mao Zedong codified a doctrine for insurgency logistics during the fight against the Japanese occupation of China. Without exaggerating, Mao stated, “We have a claim on the output of the arsenals of [our enemies],…and, what is more, it is delivered to us by the enemy’s transport corps. This is the sober truth, it is not a jest.” For Mao’s forces, his enemy’s supply trains provided a valuable source of supply. Mao believed the enemy’s rear was the guerrillas’ front; the guerrillas’ advantage was that they had no discernable logistic rear...

...For these reasons, forces conducting counterinsurgency operations must protect all potential supplies. Forces must also vigorously protect their lines of communications, scrupulously collect and positively control dud munitions and access to other convertible materiel, and actively seek ways to separate insurgents from black market activities.
The corporate-insurgency's logistical lines are particularly easily to compromise - that is because we the people are their logistical lines. Corporate-financier special interests and the government they have constructed to serve them, sustains itself from the collective patronage of communities around the world failing to develop local institutions, services, and economies, and instead pay into centralized, monopolizing multinational corporations. By boycotting and replacing these multinational corporations, we cut the corporate-insurgency off entirely from its logistical lines (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/09/sanctions-cut-globalists-off-from.html), starving it into submission.

But just as the USMC COIN manual implores counterinsurgency planners to secure their logistical lines from pilfering insurgents, the corporate-insurgency uses laws and regulations to protect their lines.




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Image: The Oregon ranchers' supply lines appear to lead right to Walmart's front door. Resistance against Wall Street that pays into Wall Street to sustain itself is doomed to fail before it even begins.



Laws and regulations are designed to prevent independent local institutions, services, and economies from springing up and competing directly with the corporate-insurgency. Farmers in America have been fighting (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/05/creeping-tyranny-meets-creeping.html) laws seeking to disrupt and regulate out of business, local farmer's markets. Similar laws in regards to "intellectual property rights" seek to stifle the emergence of independent technological innovation and personal manufacturing (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/10/3d-printed-drones-guns-post-scarcity.html). Understanding the greater implications of these laws should provide us a greater impetus to organize and find the means of circumventing them.

For local communities organizing against the corporate-insurgency, our "supplies" consist of our food and water, our electricity, our means of communication, and many others. To secure these, we must assume ownership over them, maintaining them as a collective common or a small, local business. To organize against the corporate-insurgency when we are still dependent on them for even simple things like food and water, is a recipe for instant and repeated failure.

4. Communications

In a very literal sense, a local community's communications include telephone networks, the Internet, and radio. Like many other aspects of fighting the corporate-insurgency, the low-intensity nature of it affords us the ability to piecemeal boycott and replace various aspects of its power structure without disrupting the lives of people in our local community.


Often times, alternatives are more appealing than existing, monopolized options, and enhance rather than disrupt the lives of ordinary people.


In terms of communication infrastructure, ad hoc wireless networks could be constructed to connect a local Internet. This is already being done by the US State Department to infiltrate and overthrow sovereign nation-states - they already recognize it as an essential strategy of the corporate-insurgency.

In New York Times' article, "U.S. Underwrites Internet Detour Around Censors (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/world/12internet.html?pagewanted=all)," it states:
The Obama administration is leading a global effort to deploy “shadow” Internet and mobile phone systems that dissidents can use to undermine repressive governments that seek to silence them by censoring or shutting down telecommunications networks.

The effort includes secretive projects to create independent cellphone networks inside foreign countries, as well as one operation out of a spy novel in a fifth-floor shop on L Street in Washington, where a group of young entrepreneurs who look as if they could be in a garage band are fitting deceptively innocent-looking hardware into a prototype “Internet in a suitcase.”
With a well developed community Hackerspace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace), a similar network can be created for a local community to simply circumvent and replace corporate-financier monopolies, providing custom tailored services for a community its creators already know, and spreading the profits of communication monopolies across local communities worldwide - a redistribution of wealth done not through socialist handouts, but through innovative local entrepreneurship. A larger international Internet could be made by simply providing links between communities.



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Image: Hackerspaces - sometimes called makerspaces - are local institutions that pool together both technological and human resources to prototype and manufacture local technology and solutions. They serve as the perfect nexus for solving everything from agricultural problems to creating local communication solutions, and even bringing manufacturing down to a personal level.




The alternative media is a perfect example of a new decentralized "institution" leveraging communication to successfully counter the corporate-insurgency, and it does so by leveraging technology that allows us to do as individuals what was once only possible with large, capital intensive organizations.

The alternative media also reflects some of the tactical considerations expressed by the USMC COIN field manual in regards to logistics. By using large corporate-owned, free services like Blogger, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and others to spread a constructive message aimed at developing our local communities, and against the corporate-insurgency, we are essentially exploiting their own logistical lines for our own cause.

Conclusion
It must be understood that while, without taking these basic aspects into consideration a political movement is sure to fail, this does not by any means negate the work of activists focused in other areas. A synergy must be created between all efforts aimed at unwarranted corporate-financier influence - but these fundamentals must be understood by all involved.

It must also be understood that not everyone employed or involved in a large corporate-financier, multinational corporation is a bad person. In fact, many people who work for corporations like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Halliburton, Exxon, and even Monsanto or Cargill are hardworking and incredibly talented. Like many military who leave the service and join the cause of humanity, these people can become some of our most valued allies if and when they realize the greater implications of what they are involved in and what, for their own best interests and those of humanity, they must next do.

For our part, we must work hard to develop our local communities, to create tangible solutions to the problems we face, superior local alternatives to replace the dependency that empowers special interests, and produce a viable model that is self-evidently a system people will want to join and help build.



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Of all the aspects discussed in the voluminous collection of counterinsurgency manuals the US government has produced, possessing a morally superior cause and instilling a sense of legitimacy within a population ranks toward the top in importance. Building a local community with the people's best interests addressed by the people's own two hands themselves, exhibits just such a cause, featuring just such legitimacy. It would be a movement very difficult for the corporate-insurgency to prevail against, and is the key reason why their doctrine has failed them overseas in pursuit of their empire where nations and peoples have successfully accomplished this (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/10/self-sufficiency-local-solution-to.html).

For the Oregon ranchers, their ill-conceived strategy fits nowhere within the above outlined necessities for taking back our communities and institutions. A well-organized and well-armed citizenry if led and used properly, would deter confrontations before they even unfolded. A group finding itself in multiple armed standoffs before it has even built the necessary sociopolitical and technical underpinning necessary to sustain any kind of struggle, has failed to understand even the most elementary aspects of strategic doctrine and has doomed itself before it even began.

The best advice for those either joined with these ranchers, or supporting them, is to step back from the Hollywood narrative apparently being woven, see how our attention has been distracted away from real solutions and real local empowerment, and directed toward an expanding confrontation Wall Street and Washington are well prepared to easily win.

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RedsilverJ, an ambitious 25 mins of calling people Jokuh! and FAKE!

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