Iran- thanks for the hospitality, captured sailor

[JohnQPublic]

https://youtu.be/WRSP0hklnak

[Cebu_4_2]

Captin does not look very comfortable in contrast of how well he has been treated...

[JohnQPublic]

You have to feel bad for the position they were put in. I wonder what they were up to if anything? Notice the headdress. I suspect it is not Navy issued:

8010

[Spectrism]

The captain is finished. Equipment failure is no excuse. Maintenance of the equipment, unless it was provided by another unit, is under his responsibility. For them to stray into foreign waters AND have equipment failure is gross incompetence.

[JohnQPublic]

The Persian Gulf is pretty narrow (56 km max (http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Persian_Gulf)), and Farsi Island (near the middle) cuts it in half. I am not sure why they would not hug the coast going from Kuwait to Bahrain?





8011

[singular_me]

Captin does not look very comfortable in contrast of how well he has been treated...

the big fear at this stage is to be thrown into jail with sodomites as room mates. arab/muslim prisons are hell

[Cebu_4_2]

Could be the equipment failure caused the ship to float into unintended waters. The point about the head dress is valid too.

[JohnQPublic]

Could be the equipment failure caused the ship to float into unintended waters. The point about the head dress is valid too.

It is interesting in this article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/12096275/Iran-holds-two-US-Navy-boats-in-Persian-Gulf.html), the head dress is characterized as a blanket,

"One female sailor in the background can be seen keeping themselves warm with a blanker draped over their head." (see heading 10:33)

[Hillbilly]

This was no accident, the were probing and spying....obummer should have ordered their rescue...he has left them to rott.

[Spectrism]

the big fear at this stage is to be thrown into jail with sodomites as room mates. arab/muslim prisons are hell


I am sure the sailors had no such fears. Where do you get this shit?

[JohnQPublic]

8013

Is it normal for soldiers to carry passports while on a mission?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-13/latest-humiliation-obama-iran-just-released-photos-arrest-10-us-sailors?page=1

[singular_me]

I am sure the sailors had no such fears. Where do you get this shit?

wouldnt be the first time it happens and according to iran they committed a military crime, jail is a possibility, especially with the tensions in the region. Even for a day or two before being released. Sharia jails have their reputation.

call all the troops back home, my motto

[Glass]

I remember once upon a time there was this plane and it had all this tech on it and it had special codes for communication and so on. It was sent to China, where it landed and the crew were interogated while the chinese transfered all the tech, disassembled the plane.

I think they eventually sent the plane back in some crates.

Remembering that Iran entered into some kind of atomic technologies management plan.

[Cebu_4_2]

Is it normal for soldiers to carry passports while on a mission?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-13/latest-humiliation-obama-iran-just-released-photos-arrest-10-us-sailors?page=1

Umm... absolutely!

[cheka.]

US, thanks for the hospitality -- and my new friend from nyc/dc

http://abc13.com/news/houston-terror-suspect-arrives-for-bond-hearing/1157091/

HOUSTON (KTRK) --

A terror suspect who was arrested in Houston last week went before a judge Wednesday afternoon, where his bond was denied. During testimony, we learned disturbing allegations against him.

A federal investigator testified that Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan, 24, wanted to blow up the Galleria and Sharpstown Mall with a remote bomb. According to testimony, Al Hardan would put the bomb in a trash can and detonate it using a cell phone.

They also say he received military training on how to use an AK-47 late last year at a farm just outside of Houston. Agents say the training was conducted with a confidential informant, and the entire event was recorded by federal investigators.

The Houston terror suspect is a Palestinian born in Iraq, but has lived among us since November 2, 2009, when he entered the United States as a refugee.

Al Hardan was also granted status as a permanent legal resident in August 2011.

He told a judge he is married with a baby, and that both his parents also live in Houston.

[Cebu_4_2]

US, thanks for the hospitality -- and my new friend from nyc/dc

http://abc13.com/news/houston-terror-suspect-arrives-for-bond-hearing/1157091/

HOUSTON (KTRK) --

A terror suspect who was arrested in Houston last week went before a judge Wednesday afternoon, where his bond was denied. During testimony, we learned disturbing allegations against him.

A federal investigator testified that Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan, 24, wanted to blow up the Galleria and Sharpstown Mall with a remote bomb. According to testimony, Al Hardan would put the bomb in a trash can and detonate it using a cell phone.

They also say he received military training on how to use an AK-47 late last year at a farm just outside of Houston. Agents say the training was conducted with a confidential informant, and the entire event was recorded by federal investigators.

The Houston terror suspect is a Palestinian born in Iraq, but has lived among us since November 2, 2009, when he entered the United States as a refugee.

Al Hardan was also granted status as a permanent legal resident in August 2011.

He told a judge he is married with a baby, and that both his parents also live in Houston.


This whole story gets stupid.

[cheka.]

This whole story gets stupid.

no doubt. makes head hurt...

one thing i can rely on -- i, nor anyone that i know, has actually met a real live terrist. on the flip side, everyone knows a lotto winner

egad, how bad is the mindf-ck?

[JohnQPublic]

Much of the training for riverine boats occurs in San Diego. This article from the San Diego Tribune in October 2013 is relevant.
Combat job opening to female sailors
(http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2013/oct/04/riverine-women-combat-boat/)

Women step into legacy of Vietnam-era river patrol boats

Oct. 4, 2013



Women will soon be able to serve aboard 30-foot to 50-foot shallow boats designed to take on bad guys at close range, with a crew of a half dozen sailors.

A select subset of these “riverine” sailors also goes ashore to infiltrate enemy turf, gather information and blow up stored weapons.

THIS MIGHT BE A SET-UP! <JQP>

But advocates for equal access in the armed forces say that’s progress.


“This is a good example of how the policy is supposed to be implemented,” said Greg Jacob, a former Marine infantry officer who is policy director of the Service Women’s Action Network.


“The Navy has thrown the doors open to the riverine course and let women in. They didn’t say, ‘We’re going to do an experiment,’ like the Marines and the Army,” Jacob said.


The Army, Marines and Navy SEALs have until 2016 to present a plan to integrate women in fighting units, or prove why it’s not feasible. That deadline was set in January by then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta when he removed the longtime restriction that kept women out of direct combat jobs. Females have been allowed to serve on warships and fly combat missions since the mid 1990s.

[mick silver]

never seen this before , dog tags that's it
8013

Is it normal for soldiers to carry passports while on a mission?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-13/latest-humiliation-obama-iran-just-released-photos-arrest-10-us-sailors?page=1

[JohnQPublic]

This is now. How interesting.

Females undergoing tough training required for Navy water missions (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2013/11/10/women-in-combat.html)


The military services are struggling to figure out how to move women into battlefront jobs, including infantry, armor and elite commando positions. They are devising updated physical and mental standards — equal for men and women — for thousands of combat jobs, and they have until Jan. 1, 2016, to open as many jobs as possible to women, and to explain any decision to keep some closed.

[JohnQPublic]

In historic decision, Pentagon chief opens all jobs in combat units to women (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/12/03/pentagon-chief-to-announce-how-womens-roles-in-the-military-will-expand/)December 3, 2015


Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said Thursday that he is opening all jobs in combat units to women, a landmark decision that would for the first time allow female service members to join the country’s most elite military forces.


Women will now be eligible to join the Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces and other Special Operations Units. It also opens the Marine Corps infantry, a battle-hardened force that many service officials had openly advocated keeping closed to female service members.


“There will be no exceptions,” Carter said.

[Neuro]

the big fear at this stage is to be thrown into jail with sodomites as room mates. arab/muslim prisons are hell
Indeed, the infamous Abu Ghraib comes to mind, they can be lucky that Iran isn't an Arab country...

[JohnQPublic]

Navy Boat Capture with Woman Sailor (Iran); As Military Makes Final Decision About Women in Combat Roles (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/navy-boat-capture-with-woman-solidier-as-military-makes-final-decision-about-women-in-combat-roles-3277534.html)

JohnQPublic
Thursday, January 14, 2016 10:01

I hope this is just a coincidence, but I think it is worth pointing out. I also feel badly for the one woman who was captured who had to endure being forced to wear a hijab on camera.

In 2013, the Defense Secretary Leon Panetta put forth an initiative to allow women in combat positions, including riverine boats, Special Forces, Submarines, Rangers etc.

This article (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2013/11/10/women-in-combat.html) from 2013 indicates that the military had until JANUARY 2016 to either allow it or to show why not was not feasible.

“The military services are struggling to figure out how to move women into battlefront jobs, including infantry, armor and elite commando positions. They are devising updated physical and mental standards — equal for men and women — for thousands of combat jobs, and they have until Jan. 1, 2016, to open as many jobs as possible to women, and to explain any decision to keep some closed.”

This article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/12/03/pentagon-chief-to-announce-how-womens-roles-in-the-military-will-expand/) from December 3rd, 2015 indicates that current Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter has opened everything up:
” “There will be no exceptions,” Carter said. “This means that, as long as they qualify and meet the standards, women will now be able to contribute to our mission in ways they could not before.” “

This photograph of one of the female riverine sailors captured by the Iranians in January 2016 indicates the issue of women serving. If this was a set-up, then heads do need to roll, regardless of the correct opinion on women serving.

Another Critical Issue happening right now:
Trump, Clinton, Lawrence Krauss, Jeffrey Epstein and Copernicus in 2016 (http://beforeitsnews.com/power-elite/2016/01/trump-clinton-lawrence-krauss-jeffrey-epstein-and-copernicus-in-2016-2450600.html)


http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/306150/images/headdress.png

[JohnQPublic]

About that Female Sailor Who Was Seized by the Iranians . . . (http://www.iwf.org/blog/2799080/About-that-Female-Sailor-Who-Was-Seized-by-the-Iranians-.-.-.)



(http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429747/iran-captures-female-american-sailor-feminist-reaction)Iran’s Capture of a Female American Sailor Reveals Feminism’s Foolish Double Standard (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429747/iran-captures-female-american-sailor-feminist-reaction)

[mick silver]

john she could of been a spy are cia what's your thought on that . but as far as I know you only have dog tag on you

[JohnQPublic]

john she could of been a spy are cia what's your thought on that . but as far as I know you only have dog tag on you

I do not think that is true any more, but I was surprised that anyone on an active mission actually carries a passport. The real surprise to me as that this is occurring just as the woman in combat issue is being settled once and for all. I am surprised that no one else is picking up on that.

[mick silver]

john I would like to see their passport , i have never seen anyone in a zone with a passport only tags . you never carry some thing that can link you to your home never ever

[JohnQPublic]

B.S. Navy Boat Capture by Iran (http://mantalkblog.com/home/navy-boat-capture-by-iran/)


Their training is geared to take SEALs and other special operations types like Army Special Forces, Marine Recon and others into harms way–and also to do some really dangerous anti-pirate operations up and close to the enemy with their small caliber weapons (by comparison).

They have been trained what to do if captured and how to behave. Most if not all have been to some type of very extensive and nasty kick ass prisoner survival course where they may have even had the hell slapped out of them during mock interrogations in survival school–and encountered other unpleasant things some of which is classified training on how to handle things if captured.

These sailors did NOT violate any type of standing military order or code of conduct by saying and doing what they did and said. In fact for some 28 years the Army SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, escape) training has been to teach EXACTLY what I saw on television coverage.
The old Code of Conduct that governed from WWII through Nam (name, rank and serial number) is no longer valid-it did not work under torture.

And last since we are NOT at war with Iran there is no application of a war code including Geneva–even if the sailors did “wrong”–and they did NOT!

So the politicians, pundits and those not knowing can kindly go to hell–the sailors did everything as right as it could be done! That Navy Lt. got his people and equipment out of there–that is a big part of his duty!

[JohnQPublic]

Another view:

(http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/01/13/iran-got-apology-from-us-sailor-seizing-two-navy-patrol-craft.html)Iran Got Apology from US Sailor After Seizing Two Navy Patrol Craft (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/01/13/iran-got-apology-from-us-sailor-seizing-two-navy-patrol-craft.html)
The Fifth Fleet said an investigation of the incident was underway but retired Navy Commander Chris Harmer, who served in the Fifth Fleet, said "there's no excuse for U.S. Navy sailors to allow Iranian sailors to board their vessel."


"The Navy has a lot to answer for here," said Harmer, adding that the incident "showed professional incompetence at every level." He questioned whether there was a navigation plan for the trip from Kuwait City to Bahrain, or whether the crew followed the plan.


And when one of the boats foundered -- "Step one, pass a tow line" and get into friendly waters, said Harmer, an analyst at the Institute for the Study of War. "That's epic incompetence right there."


The initial reports of the incident also indicated a "failure to have sailors act in accordance with Code of Conduct if taken captive -- a very bad day for us," Harmer.

[JohnQPublic]

Oops- now it is not mechanical failure, but a "navigational error"!

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN0US2F320160114

The 10 U.S. sailors briefly held by Iran before being released on Wednesday made a navigational mistake that led them into Iranian waters but did not communicate that to Navy commanders before being intercepted, the U.S. military said on Thursday.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said the information came from debriefings of the sailors, who were flown on Wednesday to a U.S. military facility in Qatar after Iran released them along with their two riverine boats.

"The information that they have given us, and through their commanders, is that they did stray accidentally into Iranian waters due to a navigation error," Carter said in an interview with FUSION television's Jorge Ramos, which will also air on Spanish-language Univision.

Carter's comments were the most detailed so far from American officials on the incident, which rattled nerves just before the expected implementation of a landmark nuclear deal between Iran and world powers...

He denied the sailors were on a covert mission, saying that "they were simply transiting from one place to another..."

"...One U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was clear the boats did not run out of fuel."

[Neuro]

john I would like to see their passport , i have never seen anyone in a zone with a passport only tags . you never carry some thing that can link you to your home never ever
Maybe it got something to do with them going between Kuwait and Bahrein? These countries may not just like to let anyone wearing khaki, guns and a tag across their borders without any passport... :)

[JohnQPublic]

Got this comment re: passports from a former solider
http://mantalkblog.com/home/navy-boat-capture-by-iran/


January 15, 2016 at 1:24 pm
Military types have issued passports for use when on leave in civies in a foreign country. We generally did not carry ours with us when on duty–left back in quarters with our civilian stuff. Not sure why a few of the sailors had theirs with them.

[JohnQPublic]

Very interesting, Iran releases 4 prisoners today:

http://ewn.co.za/2016/01/16/Iran-releases-four-Iranian-US-dual-nationals-in-prisoner-swap

Reuters (http://ewn.co.za/Contributors/Reuters) | about 2 hours ago

DUBAI - Iran has released four prisoners with dual Iranian-US nationality, the Tehran public prosecutor was quoted as saying on Saturday, without giving further details.
They include Washington Post journalist Jason Rezaian.

[JohnQPublic]

Set-Up: Obama Coordinated Iran Hostage Release for SOTU; Riverine Capture Scuttles? (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/set-up-obama-coordinated-iran-hostage-release-for-sotu-riverine-capture-scuttles-3279774.html)


(Before It's News) (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2016/01/set-up-obama-coordinated-iran-hostage-release-for-sotu-riverine-capture-scuttles-3279774.html)

In Set-up? Navy Boat Capture with Woman Sailor (Iran); Final Decision Now About Women in Combat Roles (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://Set-up?%20Navy%20Boat%20Capture%20with%20Woman%20Sailo r%20%28Iran%29;%20Final%20Decision%20Now%20About%2 0Women%20in%20Combat%20Roles) I suggested that this incident may have been staged to coincide with decision the military is being forced to make in January 2016 regarding roles of women in the military.


Now, suddenly, after the Riverine Boat crew is released, four hostages,including a Washington Post reporter, a Christian pastor and a former U.S. Marine are released by Iran. This is very interesting. Why today? Did the Riverine Boat incident delay it? Was it supposed to happen in such a manner that Obama could announce this to the world on the eve of his last State of the Union Message? Who may have set things up such that the Roverine Boat Incident may have delayed it?


Speculation, but worth investigating.

EDIT: Another possibility is that Obama negotiated the release in time to coincide with the SOTU, but Iran did not want to hand him the victory, so somehow lured the boats, or spoofed GPS (as they claim to have hacked a drone) to create this incident as an excuse for delaying the release. Doubtful due to difficulty, and possibly redundant tracking of the US boat.

[Neuro]

Got this comment re: passports from a former solider
http://mantalkblog.com/home/navy-boat-capture-by-iran/


January 15, 2016 at 1:24 pm
Military types have issued passports for use when on leave in civies in a foreign country. We generally did not carry ours with us when on duty–left back in quarters with our civilian stuff. Not sure why a few of the sailors had theirs with them.

Did you go on missions between two countries?

[JohnQPublic]

Did you go on missions between two countries? I think he did. Check out his blog.

[PatColo]

Sharia jails have their reputation.

depraved & satanic?

Torture in Israeli Prisons (https://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/tortureinisraeliprisons_reprint.html)

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

This was no accident. The timing with the SOTU address was no accident either. I don't know what happened, theories abound, but there is absolutely no coincidence in play with this incident.

[Neuro]

I think he did. Check out his blog.

I did, it doesn't mention. The normal procedure is to bring your passport if you are going between two different countries in peacetime and your purpose isn't to disrupt that peace...

[JohnQPublic]

I did, it doesn't mention. The normal procedure is to bring your passport if you are going between two different countries in peacetime and your purpose isn't to disrupt that peace...

Maybe you are right, but it is not clear. Here is another thread I found on a blog (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/):

http://a.disquscdn.com/1452820575/images/noavatar92.png (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_Ln80avmGTB/)
American Infidel (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_Ln80avmGTB/) • 3 days ago (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457284382) Can anyone explain why the video showed the Iranian Navy sorting thru the US passports of the captured servicemen? US Armed Forces are not issued, nor are they required, to carry passports...especially while conducting operations. Something is fishy...They were SENT THERE




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Brendan (https://disqus.com/by/brendan3/) American Infidel (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457284382) • 3 days ago (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457806400) You think they were sent there because they had passports?
In the Army, I had a military passport issued before deploying to the Sinai because, after landing, we had to clear through an Egyptian customs table.
These sailors were going traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain, where they would be docking and entering the country... it is reasonable to presume they would be clearing customs in Bahrain.
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American Infidel (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_Ln80avmGTB/) Brendan (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457806400) • 3 days ago (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457861063) Did you carry your passport on patrol?


http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/1176/130/avatar92.jpg?1447224034 (https://disqus.com/by/brendan3/)
Brendan (https://disqus.com/by/brendan3/) American Infidel (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457861063) • 3 days ago (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457904028) No.
In fact, immediately after we cleared the customs table and had our military passports stamped, our passports were collected by an NCO from our company and we did not see them again until they were handed back to us when we departed Sinai.
Those Navy patrol boats were not patrolling the gulf and returning to the port they had left from.
They were traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain.
I was not in the Navy and i never traveled to Bahrain while in the Army... but I do not think it is unreasonable to believe that these sailors had to provide passports and clear a simple customs counter when entering Bahrain

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/12471/133/avatar92.jpg?1452920881 (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_Qtd1bT106s/)
Gunther (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_Qtd1bT106s/) Brendan (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457904028) • 3 days ago (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2458727387) Bahrain has a US Navy Base, at least for now, and no passports would be required for them to disembark.

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/1176/130/avatar92.jpg?1447224034 (https://disqus.com/by/brendan3/)
Brendan (https://disqus.com/by/brendan3/) Gunther (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2458727387) • 2 days ago (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2458986486) I am aware Bahrain has a US naval base, but are you sure passports are not required for new arrivals?
I know most US bases on foreign soil don't require it, but I imagine the influx of new US personnel is subject to whatever deal we have with the government of Bahrain.




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Rockinmama (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_dmdRTLGLUO/) American Infidel (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457284382) • 3 days ago (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/folks-heres-what-i-find-very-odd-about-what-happened-with-iran-and-our-navy-yesterday/#comment-2457406649) I was wondering the same thing about the passports, something is not adding up, this whole thing is very fishy.

[mick silver]

US Armed Forces are not issued, nor are they required, to carry passports..Name, Rank, Serial Number

[mick silver]

Social Security Numbers are today used as the primary means to identify members of the U.S. military. The common format for a social security numbers is 123-45-6789.
Effective June 2011, the US military has introduced a plan to eliminate the use of Social Security Numbers on military and dependent ID cards, and replace them with a service number, in an effort to prevent identity theft against members of the armed services. All members are expected to have been granted the new service number by June 2015

[mick silver]

Article 17
Every prisoner of war, when questioned on the subject, is bound to give only his surname, first names and rank, date of birth, and army, regimental, personal or serial number, or failing this, equivalent information.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/2/2/101521/4995/waronterror/Name-Rank-And-Serial-Number

[mick silver]

Military Code of ConductThe U.S. Military Code of Conduct was enacted in 1955 by President Dwight Eisenhower to give military members protocols in keeping with the Geneva Conventions for dealing with surrender and capture. The code consists of six articles. These articles require that military members refrain from surrendering while they still have the ability to resist or evade and that they maintain their command structure by rank and continue to resist by all reasonable means if captured. The code further stipulates that U.S. military personnel are not to give any information to their captors other than that required by the Geneva Convention: name, rank, serial number and date of birth.

[mick silver]

PDF]The U.S. Fighting Man's Code, DA PAM 21-71 -... (http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVytDvJtWuSgADh5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyZDg5bjJ wBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDQjExNTlfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1453075652/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.loc.gov%2frr%2ffrd%2fMilitary_ Law%2fpdf%2fUS-fighting-code-1955.pdf/RK=0/RS=SVyCS9RSnBxiHROqkortN.wCi24-) http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/US-fighting-code-1955.pdf


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PROPERTY OF u.s. ARMY .... number of our fighting men becoming prisoners of war and in ... if the problem of survival should ever come to our own main ..... bound to give only his name, rank, date of birth, and army, regimental, personal or serial number." ... Prisoner conduct after capture was mentioned in War Depart

[monty]

US Armed Forces are not issued, nor are they required, to carry passports..Name, Rank, Serial Number

When my brother was in Germany in 1966 he had a passport that he carried when he was not in uniform.

[Neuro]

US Armed Forces are not issued, nor are they required, to carry passports..Name, Rank, Serial Number
Not even when they pass the border of another country in peacetime? Rapefugees should dress like American soldiers...

[boogietillyapuke]

never seen this before , dog tags that's it

In and out of many ports in the day....ID card in pocket.....that's all. Never HAD a passport till after I retired.

Things may be different in the Gulf states IDK......never hit port there. They were allegedly going between two countries.....probably a SEAL insertion. :cool:

[Cebu_4_2]

Donald J. Trump (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/?fref=nf)49 mins ·


In Iran deal we get 4 prisoners. They get $150 billion, 7 most wanted and many off watch list. This will create great incentive for others!

[cheka.]

never miss an opportunity to deceive -- changing the narrative from nyc/dc war machine racking up a dozen more US deaths.....to dangerous lasers on land hurting ocean search. damn terrists. ought to be a law against lasers

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/high-surf-warning-remains-3rd-day-search-marines-36345305

The Coast Guard says crew members looking for 12 Marines missing after two helicopters crashed off Hawaii had to alter their search patterns because of a laser.

The Coast Guard says a green laser off Haleiwa Beach Park struck an aircraft searching for the Marines on Saturday night. Crew members weren't exposed to the laser and didn't need to land, but they changed their search patterns to avoid being struck again.

Coast Guard spokeswoman Tara Molle says lasers can be life-threatening for crew members flying at night. She says it can cause a temporary loss of night vision.

Two helicopters each carrying six Marines went down off Oahu's north shore late Thursday.

Molle says there's no intention as of Sunday morning to call off or suspend the search.

[Neuro]

Donald J. Trump (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/?fref=nf)

49 mins ·


In Iran deal we get 4 prisoners. They get $150 billion, 7 most wanted and many off watch list. This will create great incentive for others!
I think the billions belonged to Iran to begin with, as they were 'frozen assets', it's not like it was a gift from US, it was taken from Iran. The 7 Iranians were suspected/convicted of attempting to circumvent the embargo. In return I heard Iran ordered 100+ airliners from Boeing?

[Cebu_4_2]

Trump uses the arrogance of the MSM to his advantage.

[cheka.]

I think the billions belonged to Iran to begin with, as they were 'frozen assets', it's not like it was a gift from US, it was taken from Iran. The 7 Iranians were suspected/convicted of attempting to circumvent the embargo. In return I heard Iran ordered 100+ airliners from Boeing?

iraq should be so lucky. nyc madoff with their treasury - also billion(s?)

[cheka.]

quick google brought up an oldie but goodie

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45031100

NY Fed's $40 Billion Iraqi Money Trail

It has been called the largest airborne transfer of currency in the history of the world. But finding out what happened to all the money involved has become one of the biggest financial mysteries of all time.

And although the money was handled by a variety of trained American officials and military officers in the first legs of its trip halfway around the world, CNBC has learned that something unusual happened on the Baghdad side of the transaction: Each of the money flights to Baghdad was met at the airport in Iraq by the same man.

The CPA official was a stocky, middle-aged naturalized American citizen of Lebanese descent who was born in Saudi Arabia. His first name is Basel. At his request, CNBC has agreed to withhold his last name from this story. Basel ferried cash in Baghdad for the CPA and the American embassy from 2003 until 2008—all told handling, he said, about $40 billion in cash.

[PatColo]

http://nonalignedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/iraq-abu-ghraib-man-on-leash-660x300.jpg
(http://nonalignedmedia.com/2016/01/american-dregery-vs-iranian-chivalry/) American Dregery vs. Iranian Chivalry (http://nonalignedmedia.com/2016/01/american-dregery-vs-iranian-chivalry/)
Non-Aligned Media / Brandon Martinez / Jan. 17, 2016 The recent capture of ten US navy sailors on a military vessel which drifted into Iranian coastal waters is a perfect illustration of the stark moral difference between American culture/attitudes and that of Iran. The Iranians swiftly subdued the US sailors, disarmed them, and took … [more @ link above]




Brandon Martinez (http://nonalignedmedia.com/author/bmar999/) January 17, 2016 (http://nonalignedmedia.com/2016/01/american-dregery-vs-iranian-chivalry/) Analysis (http://nonalignedmedia.com/category/analysis/), Commentary (http://nonalignedmedia.com/category/commentary/), News (http://nonalignedmedia.com/category/news/)

[JohnQPublic]

Suddenly THERE was mechanical issues! Can these guys get their stories straight?

Centcom: U.S. sailors detained by Iranians had mechanical issue (http://www.tbo.com/list/military-news/centcom-us-sailors-detained-by-iranians-had-mechanical-issue-20160118/)


Two U.S. Navy Riverine Command Boats with a total of 10 sailors aboard were detained by the Iranian military after one of the boats experienced mechanical problems in Iranian water, according to a timeline, released Monday morning by U.S. Central Command, of an incident that began Jan. 12...

Shortly after noon local time on Jan. 12, the boats left Kuwait, headed for Bahrain. The planned route was down the middle of the Persian Gulf, with no stops in the territorial waters of any nation besides Kuwait and Bahrain.

The boats, which travel in pairs, were scheduled to be refueled en route by the U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Monomoy at around 5 p.m. local time.
But the boats never reached the cutter.

Shortly after 5 p.m., NAVCENT — which oversees naval operations in the Centcom region — received a report that the boat crews were being queried by Iranians. About a half-hour later, NAVCENT officials learned of “degraded communications” with the boats. At 5:45 p.m., NAVCENT officials learned of a total loss of communications with the boats and immediately began an intensive search and rescue operation, using air and naval assets, including aircraft from USS Harry S. Truman and the U.S. Air Force, and U.S. Coast Guard, U.K. Royal Navy and U.S. Navy surface vessels.

At the time of the incident, two carrier strike groups were operating nearby. USS Harry S. Truman carrier strike group was 45 miles southeast of Farsi Island and the French Charles de Gaulle carrier strike group was 40 miles north of Farsi Island. NAVCENT attempted to contact Iranian military units operating near Farsi Island by broadcasting information regarding their search and rescue effort over marine radio, and separately notified Iranian coast guard units via telephone about the search for their personnel. At 9:15 p.m. local time, U.S. Navy cruiser USS Anzio received a communication from the Iranians that the sailors were in Iranian custody and were “safe and healthy.”

Based upon initial operational reports, the first Iranian boats on scene were two small craft with armed personnel on board. Soon after, two more Iranian military vessels arrived on scene also with armed personnel on board.

Initial operational reports indicate there was a verbal exchange between the sailors and the Iranians but no exchange of gun fire. Armed Iranian military personnel then boarded the U.S. Navy boats, while other Iranian personnel aboard the Iranian vessels kept watch with mounted machine guns. At gunpoint, the boats were escorted to a small port facility on Farsi Island where the U.S. sailors disembarked and were detained for approximately 15 hours.
At this point there are “no indications that the sailors were physically harmed during their detainment.”

The sailors departed Farsi Island at 11:43 a.m. local time on Jan. 13, aboard the two boats. The sailors were later transferred ashore by U.S. Navy aircraft from the cruiser USS Anzio and the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman. Other sailors took charge of the boats and continued transiting toward Bahrain, the boats’ original destination. The boats arrived in Bahrain at 1:38 p.m. local time, Jan. 13.

A post-recovery inventory of the boats found that all weapons, ammunition and communication gear are accounted for, but that two SIM cards appear to have been removed from two handheld satellite phones.

The sailors are in good health and continue to go through the reintegration process. The Navy command investigation continues and more details will be provided when it is completed...

Neither Carter nor Army Gen. Lloyd Austin III, the Centcom commander, provided many details the incident. Carter said the two Navy vessels experienced “a navigational error of some kind” but that “all the contributing factors we don’t know yet.”

He and Austin said it is best to wait until all 10 sailors are debriefed before offering details or a timeline of events.

...“The gear that we deployed with was largely there when the boats got back,” he said. “Whether or not there was singular pieces of equipment are missing we will determine that once we completed the inventory.”

[JohnQPublic]

Were the U.S. Boats Off Course in the Persian Gulf an Actual Example of the Mythical “Rogue Operation”? (http://fpif.org/u-s-boats-off-course-persian-gulf-actual-example-mythical-rogue-operation/)

[Joshua01]

The captain is finished. Equipment failure is no excuse. Maintenance of the equipment, unless it was provided by another unit, is under his responsibility. For them to stray into foreign waters AND have equipment failure is gross incompetence.

Using that logic, Obama should have been finished a long time ago

[Spectrism]

Consider the possibility that Iran jammed all radio frequencies and the GPS. They may have also spoofed the GPS to send them off course.

[Spectrism]

Using that logic, Obama should have been finished a long time ago


Does not apply to the kings and lords of the elite. The servants are always at risk of termination but the privileged class need not follow the rules.