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Neuro
17th January 2016, 12:32 AM
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The 2 most dangerous numbers in the universe are threatening the end of physics
Jessica Orwig Jan. 14, 2016, 7:51 PM 3,444 2
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CERN has announced that the LHCb experiment had revealed the existence of two new baryon subatomic particles.

A deeply disturbing and controversial line of thinking has emerged within the physics community.

It's the idea that we are reaching the absolute limit of what we can understand about the world around us through science.

"The next few years may tell us whether we'll be able to continue to increase our understanding of nature or whether maybe, for the first time in the history of science, we could be facing questions that we cannot answer," Harry Cliff, a particle physicist at the European Organization for Nuclear Research — better known as CERN — said during a recent TED talk in Geneva, Switzerland.

Equally frightening is the reason for this approaching limit, which Cliff says is because "the laws of physics forbid it."

At the core of Cliff's argument are what he calls the two most dangerous numbers in the universe. These numbers are responsible for all the matter, structure, and life that we witness across the cosmos.

And if these two numbers were even slightly different, says Cliff, the universe would be an empty, lifeless place.

Dangerous No. 1: The strength of the Higgs field
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Illustration of the Higgs boson and field.

The first dangerous number on Cliff's list is a value that represents the strength of what physicists call the Higgs field, an invisible energy field not entirely unlike other magnetic fields that permeates the cosmos.

As particles swim through the Higgs field, they gain mass to eventually become the protons, neutrons, and electrons comprising all of the atoms that make up you, me, and everything we see around us.

Without it, we wouldn't be here.

We know with near certainty that the Higgs field exists because of a groundbreaking discovery in 2012, when CERN physicists detected a new elementary particle called the Higgs boson. According to theory, you can't have a Higgs boson without a Higgs field.

But there's something mysterious about the Higgs field that continues to perturb physicists like Cliff.

According to Einstein's theory of general relativity and the theory of quantum mechanics — the two theories in physics that drive our understanding of the cosmos on incredibly large and extremely small scales — the Higgs field should be performing one of two tasks, says Cliff.

Either it should be turned off, meaning it would have a strength value of zero and wouldn't be working to give particles mass, or it should be turned on, and, as the theory goes, this "on value" is "absolutely enormous," Cliff says. But neither of those two scenarios are what physicists observe.

"In reality, the Higgs field is just slightly on," says Cliff. "It's not zero, but it's ten-thousand-trillion times weaker than it's fully on value — a bit like a light switch that got stuck just before the 'off' position. And this value is crucial. If it were a tiny bit different, then there would be no physical structure in the universe."

Why the strength of the Higgs field is so ridiculously weak defies understanding. Physicists hope to find an answer to this question by detecting brand-new particles at the newly upgraded particle accelerator at CERN. So far, though, they're still hunting.

Dangerous No. 2: The strength of dark energy
largest structure in universe Illustris Collaboration
The distribution of dark matter is shown in blue and the gas distribution in orange. This simulation is for the current state of the universe and is centered on a massive galaxy cluster. The region shown is about 300 million light-years across.

Cliff's second dangerous number doubles as what physicists have called "the worst theoretical prediction in the history of physics."

This perilous number deals in the depths of deep space and a mind-meltingly complex phenomenon called dark energy.

Dark energy, a repulsive force that's responsible for the accelerating expansion of our universe, was first measured in 1998.

Still, "we don't know what dark energy is," Cliff admits. "But the best idea is that it's the energy of empty space itself — the energy of the vacuum."

If this is true, you should be able to sum up all the energy of empty space to get a value representing the strength of dark energy. And although theoretical physicists have done so, there's one gigantic problem with their answer:

"Dark energy should be 10120 times stronger than the value we observe from astronomy," Cliff said. "This is a number so mind-bogglingly huge that it's impossible to get your head around ... this number is bigger than any number in astronomy — it's a thousand-trillion-trillion-trillion times bigger than the number of atoms in the universe. That's a pretty bad prediction."

On the bright side, we're lucky that dark energy is smaller than theorists predict. If it followed our theoretical models, then the repulsive force of dark energy would be so huge that it would literally rip our universe apart. The fundamental forces that bind atoms together would be powerless against it and nothing could ever form — galaxies, stars, planets, and life as we know it would not exist.

On the other hand, it's extremely frustrating that we can't use our current theories of the universe to develop a better measurement of dark energy that agrees with existing observations. Even better than improving our theories would be to find a way that we can understand why the strength of dark energy and the Higgs field is what it is.

Getting answers could be impossible
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Illustration of a multiverse.

Cliff said there is one possible way to get some answers, but we might never have the ability to prove it.

If we could somehow confirm that our universe is just one in a vast multiverse of billions of other universes, then "suddenly we can understand the weirdly fine-tuned values of these two dangerous numbers [because] in most of the multiverse dark energy is so strong that the universe gets torn apart, or the Higgs field is so weak that no atoms can form," Cliff said.

To prove this, physicists need to discover new particles that would uphold radical theories like string theory, which predicts the existence of a multiverse. Right now, there's only one place in the world that could possibly produce these particles, if they exist, and that's the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.

And physicists only have two to three years before CERN shuts the LHC down for upgrades. If we haven't found anything by then, Cliff said, it could signal the beginning of the end.

"We may be entering a new era in physics. An era where there are weird features in the universe that we cannot explain. An era where we have hints that we live in a multiverse that lies frustratingly beyond our reach. An era where we will never be able to answer the question why is there something rather than nothing."

Neuro
17th January 2016, 12:35 AM
I can only conclude that this is nothing but a theological discussion, and that is what cosmology and theoretical physics has become

aeondaze
17th January 2016, 12:54 AM
I can only conclude that this is nothing but a theological discussion, and that is what cosmology and theoretical physics has become

Yea sure, why not? There are plenty more absurd things that people on these forums (and others) are willing to believe, at least this is grounded with data as evidence.

Cosmology and theoretical physics have always entailed a semi philosophical component, nothing new there.

What does it all mean? Exciting times are ahead, or not...:|~

Glass
17th January 2016, 02:15 AM
So finally they are starting to get there. Notice how Dark Matter, the missing mass of the universe is now called Dark Energy. The ether. it has other names depending on the text. The Chi. The holy ghost.

And the numbers, they are great. The situation is not that the energy/mass is missing. It's that it isn't in their existence. Its there, but not in their there. It's diffused. Widely distributed across many different there's.

I would not be surprised to learn that the bosson is not a particle. But that it i might be something like a thread or a wave. A thread through all of those there's. Each one taking some of the energy they are looking for.

I think I am right in recalling that they consider the higgs bosson to be the most powerful particle that can be conceived? Is it the Higgs or a derivative of it maybe? But they say if they can contain just one of these it will contain more power than anything.... I guess that is anything except more bossons.

I also recall that material posted about the atomic science and what an atom was constructed of it such a thing existed. Old science from the 60's but what progress has been made? Have they isolated an actual atomic electron now or are they still only able to see ones they are generating in things like electron microscopes.

Because another investigator from the 60's and 70's. Looking into energy based universe realised that scientists were only able to see a portion of an electrons rotation/orbit. For some reason the electron would appear to jump a portion of it's orbit. he theorised that the atom was not skiping forward but was rotating in a non visible/detectable spectrum for a portion of it's orbit, then dropping back into detectable spectrum.

It is a non detectable spectrum or non detectable space (an "there")?

Neuro
17th January 2016, 02:51 AM
Yea sure, why not? There are plenty more absurd things that people on these forums (and others) are willing to believe, at least this is grounded with data as evidence.

Cosmology and theoretical physics have always entailed a semi philosophical component, nothing new there.

What does it all mean? Exciting times are ahead, or not...:|~
Intelligent people can't make any sense of it, but are asked to believe it, because the "data" is there... Let's assume the data isn't there (as there is no way we can know if it is or isn't...) What would you make of it then? Billions of Euros contributed by taxpayers to the 666 logo corporation...

This is the favored NWO religion, that no-one can understand apart from the High Priests of CERN!

There is no Higgs Bozo(n)! It is all made up fantasy to distort understanding of physics among those that can understand it.

Bigjon
17th January 2016, 03:02 AM
http://blog.ucadia.com/2015/03/true-history-of-america-part-5-rise-of.html

5 key points in summary of what we know from previous blogs


So I am going to list five key points we have discussed in the previous blogs and audios that I want you to keep in mind before we move through the new information of part 5 of the series on the True History of America – and the rise of the Fascist Fourth Reich of the Roman Death Cult.


#1 - Everything about the Illuminati and Global Elite is a Lie


The first point I want you to keep in mind is that everything about the Illuminati and the Global Elite is a lie: Their histories are a lie; and their rituals are fanciful lies; and their claimed occult knowledge is a lie; and their laws are an abomination and a lie. Even the word faith and belief means literally to be spellbound and trapped by lies!


The first people they lie to are their own recruits and their own children as they are constantly reinventing their lies and massaging their lies to the next generation. Thus the philosophies underpinning the Fourth Reich simply did not exist eighty years ago – they have been invented and produced from a blending of blatantly false prophecies of deeply mentally insane Hasidic Rabbis, extreme Christian sects and occult book writers and movie producers. Yet now, the benchmark ideas underpinning the Fourth Reich of an over populated planet, a crisis of scarce fossil fuels, a collapse of food and water availability and the birth of a genetic super race and immortal cyber intelligence are all accepted as true!

aeondaze
17th January 2016, 03:35 AM
Intelligent people can't make any sense of it, but are asked to believe it, because the "data" is there... Let's assume the data isn't there (as there is no way we can know if it is or isn't...) What would you make of it then? Billions of Euros contributed by taxpayers to the 666 logo corporation...

This is the favored NWO religion, that no-one can understand apart from the High Priests of CERN!

There is no Higgs Bozo(n)! It is all made up fantasy to distort understanding of physics among those that can understand it.

Inteligent people haven't been able to make sense of a lot of fundamental physics for over one hundred years, this is nothing new so why all the noise now?

Its OK Neuro, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. None of this is going to change life on our planet today or even tomorrow, the sun will rise and set with regularity just like every other day for the past billion years. :)

People foget that science is a slow moving juggernaught, sometimes one step forward, two steps back. They review the data, postulate a theory, get some more data then maybe scrap previous ideas, its actually what everybody unwittingly does on a daily basis.

No biggie, so why the outrage?

If you think the NWO is behind all this and they're spending ungodly ammounts of money, then whats the payoff?

The reality is its a gamble, no one knows where this is going :rolleyes:

palani
17th January 2016, 04:49 AM
Observation collapses wave functions. Physics is nothing if not observation. Then they are hard put to identify how things work when their act of observing actually changes the way things work.

Politics is like this too. As soon as you observe how it works then it starts to not work as it should. Politics is for people who don't believe in reality.

Observations are really disliked among people that rely upon wave functions (what I call 'fiction') in their daily lives and beliefs.

Horn
17th January 2016, 08:08 AM
We prey for collapse to readjust, while they control collapse to readjust, Physics as a field of science has been debased into collapse since 1913.

Of course they want no more understanding gleaned from this world. CERN is nothing more than a 21st century Mason's Cathedral.

chad
17th January 2016, 08:30 AM
i'll save them all a bunch of time & energy. god.

Neuro
17th January 2016, 08:42 AM
Inteligent people haven't been able to make sense of a lot of fundamental physics for over one hundred years, this is nothing new so why all the noise now?

Its OK Neuro, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. None of this is going to change life on our planet today or even tomorrow, the sun will rise and set with regularity just like every other day for the past billion years. :)

People foget that science is a slow moving juggernaught, sometimes one step forward, two steps back. They review the data, postulate a theory, get some more data then maybe scrap previous ideas, its actually what everybody unwittingly does on a daily basis.

No biggie, so why the outrage?

If you think the NWO is behind all this and they're spending ungodly ammounts of money, then whats the payoff?

The reality is its a gamble, no one knows where this is going :rolleyes:
They are not spending an ungodly amount of their own money. They are spending yours and mine, or rather the work of the taxpayers. People without an understanding of physics you can fool not to believe in what their eyes are seeing. Like the collapse of WTC7 accelerating down at gravity, thus without any resistance from the structure. If you in your physics education instead of learning the basics of Newtonian physics, but instead were taught to stand in awe of the fantasies promoted as reality of quantum mechanics, then you could very possibly believe that WTC7 collapsed due to fires and structural failure due to debris falling from the other towers. Then you have all the charlatans in my area of work, chiropractic and other so called 'alternatives' to medicine, that claim quantum healing effects. So instead of giving a real explanation why chiropractic work better for many conditions, and worse for some others, people are taught to just focus their minds on quantum positive thinking and eat ecological. Of course everything in quantum mechanics isn't bullshit, but I am pretty sure what they do at CERN is.

Funny thing is you had all these prominent cosmologists and quantum physics gurus in The Principle, who gladly spoke their minds as they were interviewed for the film, cashed their cheques even more happily, but protested wildly when what they had said was used for a viewpoint they didn't agree with... That IMO is a good indication that what they say isn't true. If it was a viewpoint they are vehemently opposed to couldn't have used it...