BIG piece of the puzzle - Ataturk the hidden Jew/Donmeh/Luciferians

[ShortJohnSilver]

On Wikipedia of all places ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank

Read this carefully.

Note some intersections:

Sabbatean Jews - the occultic Jews who engage in all kinds of sexual perversion etc. ; they followed Sabbatai Zevi, who Jacob Frank claimed to be a reincarnation of

Donmeh - the crypto-Jews among the Turks and Muslims - many believe the House of Saud are Donmeh

Ataturk - grew up in SALONIKA , a hotbed of Donmeh crypto-Judaism and Sabbatean belief - another thread here points out the likelihood of Ataturk actually being Jewish

The infiltration of the Catholic Church by Jews - as seen in the fact that under Jacob Frank some 26,000 Jews became "Christians" - wolves working from within to subvert and destroy

FINALLY the BIG ONE:

"Frank inspired his followers through mystical speeches and epistles, in which he stated that salvation could be gained only by first adopting the "religion of Edom" (Christianity) and later adopting a future religion which Frank called das ("knowledge"). "

I submit to you that Sabbatean + new religion called "knowledge" equals "Luciferian" belief.

What are your thoughts?

[palani]

What are your thoughts?
History shows that mental health problems is not a recent phenomena.

Food was being adulterated even several hundred years ago. Strange chemicals cause strange thoughts. People didn't have TV or Monday Night Football to pacify them. They weren't permitted to cast lottery ballots for their favorite gossip monger in bogus elections. Mercury was used to treat constipation and VD.

How could they NOT be a few fries shy of a Happy Meal?

[ShortJohnSilver]

Sorry to whine, but given the Luciferians / Sabbateans, the Great Deception involving Ataturk the Jew and so forth, I was expecting more comments. Let this serve as a bump to the top.

[Twisted Titan]

Jew or not that man is a useful idiot for the wicked ones....

If he is a descendant of khazars just another cherry on top.

[cheka.]

On Wikipedia of all places ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank

Read this carefully.

Note some intersections:

Sabbatean Jews - the occultic Jews who engage in all kinds of sexual perversion etc. ; they followed Sabbatai Zevi, who Jacob Frank claimed to be a reincarnation of

Donmeh - the crypto-Jews among the Turks and Muslims - many believe the House of Saud are Donmeh

Ataturk - grew up in SALONIKA , a hotbed of Donmeh crypto-Judaism and Sabbatean belief - another thread here points out the likelihood of Ataturk actually being Jewish

The infiltration of the Catholic Church by Jews - as seen in the fact that under Jacob Frank some 26,000 Jews became "Christians" - wolves working from within to subvert and destroy

FINALLY the BIG ONE:

"Frank inspired his followers through mystical speeches and epistles, in which he stated that salvation could be gained only by first adopting the "religion of Edom" (Christianity) and later adopting a future religion which Frank called das ("knowledge"). "

I submit to you that Sabbatean + new religion called "knowledge" equals "Luciferian" belief.

What are your thoughts?

new age, humanism, and the like

note the humanist manifesto came out of u of Chicago (Rockefeller U) in a great year for the satanists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition. The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it.[1]

Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of human freedom and progress. In modern times, humanist movements are typically aligned with secularism, and as of 2015 "Humanism" typically refers to a non-theistic life stance centred on human agency and looking to science rather than revelation from a supernatural source to understand the world.

The first Humanist Manifesto was issued by a conference held at the University of Chicago in 1933

Secular humanism is a comprehensive life stance or world view which embraces human reason, metaphysical naturalism, altruistic morality and distributive justice, and consciously rejects supernatural claims, theistic faith and religiosity, pseudoscience, and superstition.[64][65] It is sometimes referred to as Humanism (with a capital H and no qualifying adjective).

The International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) is the world union of 117 Humanist, rationalist, irreligious, atheistic, Bright, secular, Ethical Culture, and freethought organisations in 38 countries.[66] The "Happy Human" is the official symbol of the IHEU as well as being regarded as a universally recognised symbol for secular humanism.

According to the IHEU's bylaw 5.1:[67]

Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities. It is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural views of reality.

[palani]

Secular humanism is a comprehensive life stance or world view which embraces human reason, metaphysical naturalism, altruistic morality and distributive justice, and consciously rejects supernatural claims, theistic faith and religiosity, pseudoscience, and superstition.[64][65] It is sometimes referred to as Humanism (with a capital H and no qualifying adjective).
When one concept is replaced with another there must be a name change. This is not universally true. An example of this is the entity called The United States of America. This entity started out as a federation of independent countries and morphed into a single nation composed of corporations. They kept the name the same though to confuse the innocent.

The name change of Man into HuMan is also intended to confuse the innocent. 'Hu' might be interpreted to be 'hue' as in color. HuMan then becomes Color of Man in the same manner that Law morphs into Legal or Color of Law. What applies to Man applies to the subset identified by hue or any other adjective applied (short, tall, male, female) but the fraud is that basic rules applicable to the root do not apply to the new human subclass.

Just keep this in mind: What is similar is not the same.

[Tumbleweed]

On Wikipedia of all places ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank


"Frank inspired his followers through mystical speeches and epistles, in which he stated that salvation could be gained only by first adopting the "religion of Edom" (Christianity) and later adopting a future religion which Frank called das ("knowledge"). "

I submit to you that Sabbatean + new religion called "knowledge" equals "Luciferian" belief.

What are your thoughts?

The religion of Edom/Edomites was the "tradition of the elders" that Jesus called them out for.

Below is a quote from an article by Bertrand Comparate where he explains who the Edomites were and are. Jacob and Esau were twin brothers. Jacobs name was changed to Israel and Esau's name was changed to Edom.

Complete article here https://israelect.com/ChurchOfTrueIsrael/comparet/who-are-jews.html


"There is one more group we need to mention to complete the list, and that is the Edomites. You will remember that Esau and Jacob were twin brothers. Esau was a man of such low character that we have Yahweh's own testimony in Malachi 1:2-3. "Was not Esau Jacob's brother? Saith Yahweh. Yet I loved Jacob and I hated Esau."

Jacob kept racial purity so Yahweh changed his name to Israel and made him the father of Yahweh's own chosen people Israel, named for their father. The other twin, Esau, married two Canaanite wives and one Ishmaelite wife, and left only half-breed, mongrel children. Read Genesis 26:34-35, 27:46 & 36:2.

As Esau's mongrel children could not marry into the true Semitic line, he moved out from among them and went down to mount Sier, the rugged range of mountains southeast of the Dead Sea. This land was called Edom, or occasionally by the Greecianized form of the word Idumea. Thereafter Esau's descendants were called Edomites. Read Genesis 33:16 & 36:1-9.

In this area they had a long and troublesome history. Esau's grandson was Amalek, father of the tribe of Amalek, who were such an evil bunch that in Exodus 17:14-16 Yahweh said He would have perpetual war with Amalek until they were all destroyed. The Edomites constantly harassed the southern portion of Israel until King Saul beat them off about 1087 B.C.

I Samuel 15:1-26 tells how Saul disobeyed Yahweh's command to exterminate them, and for this disobedience Yahweh deposed him as king, in favor of David. Even David didn't exterminate the Edomites and there was a long history of wars between Edom and Israel and even later with Judah. This history is recorded in II kings chapters 8 & 14 and II Chronicles chapters 20 & 25. The whole book of Obadiah is devoted to Yahweh's condemnation of Edom's treacherous attacks upon the kingdom of Judah, when Judah was being conquered by Babylon.

During the Babylonian captivity of Judah, the land lay practically empty. During this period, the people of Edom, partly from opportunity and partly from pressure against them from the east, moved into the vacant southern half of the old kingdom of Judah. Read the article Edom, in Funk and Wagnall's New Standard Bible Dictionary, pages 198-199 and Scribner's Dictionary of the Bible, Vol. 1, pages 644-646. From this southern half of the old kingdom of Judah, the Edomites harassed the little nation, which returned from Babylon.

By about 142 B.C., the returned exiles of Judah won complete independence under the Maccabean line of kings. About 120 B.C., John Hyrcanus, one of the Maccabean kings, conquered the Edomites. He too, instead of exterminating them, took them into his kingdom, offering them full citizenship if they would give up their pagan ways and adopt the religion of Judaism. This they did and from 120 B. C. they were full citizens of this kingdom. Read Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews" book 13, chapter 9, and The Jewish Encyclopedia, article "Edom", Vol V, page 41.

By 69 B.C., incompetent leadership and intrigue within the Maccabean monarchy, together with the rising power of Rome in western Asia, gave opportunity to Antipater (also called Antipas), an Edomite chieftain, founder of the Herodian family, to rise to power. By bribery, boldness and military skill, he gained the favor of Rome, and the Romans made him Procurator (governor) of Judea. Antipater's son, Herod I, beginning as governor of Galilee, used the same methods to secure appointment as king of Judea in 40 B.C. By 37 B.C., he had gained complete control of Judea. He maintained himself in power with extreme ruthlessness and bribery, for which he taxed the people very heavily. The New Deal, Raw Deal and Great Society are not so new after all. This is the same Herod who had all the two year old and younger, male children killed in Bethlehem, trying to murder Yahshua

His son, Herod Archelaus, held the governorship (the Romans didn't trust him with the crown) for ten years of astonishingly evil misrule from 4 B.C. to 6 A.D. After this the Romans convicted him of crimes and removed him. Thereafter Judea was governed by Roman Procurators; of whom Pontius Pilate was number six. Nevertheless, the Romans left practically complete power of local government in the hands of the Herodian Edomites. They had complete control of the temple and power to enforce all their local laws. It is recorded in John 18:31 how Pontius Pilate tried to get out of condemning Yahshua, telling the Jews, "Take ye Him and judge Him according to your law".

These Edomite Jews could say that Abraham was an ancestor of theirs through Esau, as they did in John 8:33. This Hebrew blood, through Esau, had been diluted to the vanishing point by 1,700 years of marrying the people of Canaanite racial stock. Therefore Yahshua rebuked them for falsely claiming to still be of Abraham lineage and therefore inferentially Israelites. He told them in John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is not truth in him."

You should carefully observe John 8:31-47. These were the Jews to whom Yahshua was speaking, and the Bible identifies them as Jews. In the Jewish Encyclopedia, the article on Edom concludes with the words, "The Edomites today are found in modern Jewry".

[hoarder]

Who were "The Young Turks"?

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=young+turks+jewish&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

[mick silver]

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[ShortJohnSilver]

Thanks much to all who responded, especially Tumbleweed's long and fact-filled answer.

[mick silver]

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[Neuro]

Sorry to whine, but given the Luciferians / Sabbateans, the Great Deception involving Ataturk the Jew and so forth, I was expecting more comments. Let this serve as a bump to the top.

I haven't seen much direct evidence that Atatürk would be a crypto/dönmeh... It isn't impossible though that he was, as he did create a secular republic, or at least tried to, and it is correct that many of Dönmeh's originated from Saloniki (Now Thessaloniki). However I am leaning towards him being a Muslim Turk, who after being stationed in Europe as military attache got impressed with European civilization vs the feudal Ottoman empire. He certainly could have been a Luciferian. He banned the masons, and his ideology was closest to National socialism. Great strategist!

[ShortJohnSilver]

Neuro thanks for your input.

Here is blogger Steve Sailer covering some of the questions:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/06/was-mustafa-kemal-ataturk-founder-of.html

We are told time and again how Muslims hate Jews - when Ataturk was General, and Smyrna was taken over by his forces, he spared the Muslim, and Jewish Quarters of the city. But he and his troops burned and destroyed the Christian areas.

Why did Ataturk suppress the Sufi so much? I don't know the answer to that.

[Neuro]

Neuro thanks for your input.

Here is blogger Steve Sailer covering some of the questions:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/06/was-mustafa-kemal-ataturk-founder-of.html

We are told time and again how Muslims hate Jews - when Ataturk was General, and Smyrna was taken over by his forces, he spared the Muslim, and Jewish Quarters of the city. But he and his troops burned and destroyed the Christian areas.

Why did Ataturk suppress the Sufi so much? I don't know the answer to that.
The civil war was mainly between Turks and Greeks, so him burning the Greek Christian quarters was not that strange. He literally pushed the Greeks into the sea in Smyrna, which later changed name to Izmir, which today is Turkeys third largest city, at that time it was the second. The Jews were never many in Turkey, and probably they played both sides in the conflict (as usual!), so Atatürk didn't have any reason to go after them, as from his perspective they were friends. There is supposedly an eyewitness account of him admitting to be Jewish, while drinking in a bar in Jerusalem ca 1911, when he was stationed in Palestine, but IMO it is weak evidence. Sure he could have been a cryptojew, but I am leaning towards him being born Muslim, but largely rejecting Islam. When he was a child his parents first put him in a Koran based school, but he hated it, and convinced them to put him in a military school, where the teacher thought he was very clever so he gave little Mustafa his second name Kemal which means clever in Turkish.

[Neuro]

Neuro thanks for your input.

Here is blogger Steve Sailer covering some of the questions:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/06/was-mustafa-kemal-ataturk-founder-of.html

We are told time and again how Muslims hate Jews - when Ataturk was General, and Smyrna was taken over by his forces, he spared the Muslim, and Jewish Quarters of the city. But he and his troops burned and destroyed the Christian areas.

Why did Ataturk suppress the Sufi so much? I don't know the answer to that.
I just read your link, and really I am impressed I remembered the details of his life so well. First I wouldn't trust a Jewish account on the drinking nights in Jerusalem in 1911. Even if the eyewitness account is correct. Mustafa Kemal, later known as Atatürk, could have told the Jew a tall story of him being a Jew himself, if he thought it would bring him any privileges later. Knowing the Jewish prayer wouldn't be so strange either being from Saloniki, where there were so many Jews, being bright and openminded he could have picked it up!

As I stated before he might have been a dönmeh, but many openminded well educated Turkish Muslims became disillusioned with Islam as the Ottoman Empire collapsed, and I think this is the more likely explanation, in his case. They saw what the Islamic dogma did to their government and reacted against it. The young Turks revolution prior to Atatürks ascent was definitely Dönmeh driven, but Atatürk was in the outer circles of that and became disillusioned with it quite early. These were the ones responsible for the Armenian Christian genocides in 1915.

[hoarder]

Historically, haven't most of the revolutionary "bringers of changes" been Jewish? Turkey is an easy country for the Khazars to conquer. They have similar features. Constantinople (Istanbul) used to have a huge Khazar population 1000 years ago. Whatever power they had was never relinquished.

As for a goy pretending to be a Jew or infiltrating them...this is extremely difficult. Being infiltrators/subverters themselves, it's easy and natural for them to guard against it. I read that when a Jew moves from one country to another and makes contact with the Jewish community in his new country, it's the duty of his new Rabbi to contact the Rabbi in his old country to verify his Jewishness. If this is true, you can bet verification is considered especially important when the supposed Jew becomes influential or powerful.