US Marshals arresting people for not paying their federal student loans

[mick silver]

US Marshals arresting people for not paying their federal student loans
US Marshals arresting people for not paying their federal student loans

FOX 26 News reporter Isiah CareyBy: Isiah Carey (isiah.carey@foxtv.com?body=http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story)











Posted:Feb 15 2016 07:02PM CST
Updated:Feb 15 2016 07:02PM CST



HOUSTON (FOX 26) - Believe it or not, the US Marshals Servicehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story#) in Houston is arresting people for not paying their outstanding federal student loanshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story#).

Paul Aker says he was arrested at his home last week for a $1500 federal student loanhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story#) he received in 1987.

He says seven deputy US Marshals showed up at his home with guns and took him to federal court where he had to sign a payment planhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story#) for the 29-year-old schoolhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story#) loan.

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Congressman Gene Green says the federal government is now using private debt collectors to go after those who owe studenthttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story#) loans.

Green says as a result, those attorneys and debt collectors are getting judgements in federal court and asking judges to use the US Marshals Service to arrest those who have failed to pay their federal student loans.

Our reliable source with the US Marshal in Houston say Aker isn't the first and won't be the last.

They have to serve anywhere from 1200 to 1500 warrants to people who have failed to pay their federal student loans.





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[7th trump]

Yep why not arrest them. They signed on the dotted line asking for federal assistance and eagerly took the money....its a contract after all. And a contract they broke regardless if they read the terms to the contract or not......not a smart move if you didn't read what your signing yourself up for.

Nothing like being forced to be responsible for your actions.

[cheka.]

they better start building a lot more prisons. as skoolz have chosen to admit more ghetto types the credit rating of student bodies has plunged

[Ares]

Yep why not arrest them. They signed on the dotted line asking for federal assistance and eagerly took the money....its a contract after all. And a contract they broke regardless if they read the terms to the contract or not......not a smart move if you didn't read what your signing yourself up for.

Nothing like being forced to be responsible for your actions.

It could be argued that they were brainwashed into accepting debt servitude. I know when my G.I. Bill ran out I was told by my professor to "Just take out a student loan". When I read through the loan agreement I flat out refused to sign it. The loan officer asked why I no longer wanted the loan, and I said because there is no guarantee that I'll get a job after my college completes so I have no guarantee to repay the loan, and it specifically states that this loan cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. I said that is debt servitude and I do not agree to it.

[cheka.]

It could be argued that they were brainwashed into accepting debt servitude. I know when my G.I. Bill ran out I was told by my professor to "Just take out a student loan". When I read that through the loan agreement I flat out refused to sign it. The loan officer asked why I no longer wanted the loan, and I said because there is no guarantee that I'll get a job after my college completes so I have no guarantee to repay the loan, and it specifically states that this loan cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. I said that is debt servitude and I do not agree to it.

promoting ignorance on financial matters is a core value in skoolz -- elementary and up

it's criminal that money is not taught every year, like math

still, skoolz iz low ranked on the blame list - well behind the student/family. and in the US today there is no excuse for not learning - vast knowledge is at everyone's whim

[mick silver]

only if others could read ares ... and most here know that most of those going to school now can never repaid there loan back

[cheka.]

only if others could read ares ... and most here know that most of those going to school now can never repaid there loan back

as long as the party lasts they dont care. when the party is over they suddenly become victims

[StreetsOfGold]

seven deputy US Marshals showed up at his home with guns and took him to federal court........for a $1500 federal student loan (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story#)

From a business perspective this is a total waste.

You do not send SEVEN men to collect 1500.00. This loan should be a WRITE OFF but yes we know it's all about a show of POWER and CONTROL, which is WHY they did this!

[7th trump]

From a business perspective this is a total waste.

You do not send SEVEN men to collect 1500.00. This loan should be a WRITE OFF but yes we know it's all about a show of POWER and CONTROL, which is WHY they did this!

No it shouldn't be a write off....why should you tax payers pay for someone not being responsible?

Are you a liberal?

[Jerrylynnb]

The young are not mature enough to be responsible for their own future commitments. If you disagree, then, you accept, in the end, pedophilia as perfectly fine, provided the victim can be recorded as agreeing.

As some point, maturing youngsters can be expected to gradually shoulder more and more responsibility for their own future, but, for the most of us, that doesn't happen to somewhere around 30 or so.

The idea of getting 18-22 year olds to sign a "contract", and then seize their body (and any possessions they might have accumulated) based solely on that "contract", comes to us from the mind of the jew, as applied to any and all non-jews.

Those here that are old codgers, like me, remember when there was no such of a thing as a "student loan". We used to enjoy the concept, in the courts and in the minds of the public, that some "contracts" (signed and notarized, even), were null and void due to the inability of one of the parties to be responsible for whatever commitments are being extracted at the signing.

These jews used "student loans" as another means to bring masses of non-jews into servitude to the jews.

Surely, even those hard-boiled stick-in-the-muds here (7th trump, et al), can see the tyranny of loading up excessive responsibility upon the shoulders of the young when they have not been given a chance to grow up and learn a thing or two about being a full-growed up adult. Young folks just are not mature enough to comprehend the full weight of these student loans, and, were I on the jury, I'd nullify the "contract" as void from its signing.

What about the money they got? You might ask that, relying heavily on the fact that these youngsters got a benefit, and, now they must repay it. NO SIR! The money they got, in MY MIND, was a gift, and, those jews who transferred that money into their hands OUGHT TO HAVE KNOWN THAT! Anytime someone comes down upon the young, or immature, with such a sneaky plot to enslave someone, they ought to know that we, the general public, see through it and will not stand for it - whatever thing of value they put up as "seed money" to entrap those immature victims, will be viewed, by me and those with my seasoned mindset, as A GIFT - thankyou very much. No go sulk in your corner for not getting away with your sneaky underhanded dealings.

Consider this: How many of these student loans would there be, had, instead of just relying on the signature of the student, the law would have required that it also be signed by THE PARENT or guardian, and, that, the parent or guardian would be primarily responsible for the repayment?

Practically NONE of those student loans would have been consummated. By shouldering so much responsibility upon those whose shoulders could not possibly carry that weight, a growth industry of future servitude was spawned, and, now, we are seeing the rewards (to the jews) coming due - a nation of debt-slaves who got enslaved when they were too young to comprehend the peril they were being sucked into. Sometimes even white folks, like 7th trump (I assume you are white) wind up, by osmosis, thinking like jews, and that just shows how we whites are so moldable and capable of playing so many different roles in life.

What is on tap down the road is "student loan forgiveness" for those who will "volunteer" for hazardous duty in the armed forces. Then, these jews can send forth, without guilt (in their minds), countless numbers into dangerous and deadly missions in which huge numbers will either be killed, or dismembered, and, in the same vein that 7th trump is promoting, they will have had it coming to them because they "volunteered".

The young deserve better than this.

[midnight rambler]

Clearly at least one poster on this thread fails to comprehend the 'money system' put into place by the Money Powers over 80 years ago...THERE IS NO MONEY*! There is ONLY debt and when one SIGNS any 'loan' or mortgage their SIGNATURE creates the 'money' (credit which is then used by the 'lender'). The 'debt' is bogus and a means of enslaving the naive into perpetuity.

*under the current 'money' scheme/shenanigans

[cheka.]

smart enough to go to college but too pathetic/dumb to understand they have to pay back money they borrow?

quite oxymoronic

this op story is sketch anyway. like a burnee campaign ad. the quoted gene green is a real pos - from the sheila jackson lee wing of the dim party

[midnight rambler]

smart enough to go to college but too dumb to understand they have to pay back money they borrow?

quite oxymoronic

There is NO 'money'!

[cheka.]

There is NO 'money'!

yes. that is something that needs to be rectified

reverting back to the coinage act of 1792 would be a great start

[7th trump]

Clearly at least one poster on this thread fails to comprehend the 'money system' put into place by the Money Powers over 80 years ago...THERE IS NO MONEY*! There is ONLY debt and when one SIGNS any 'loan' or mortgage their SIGNATURE creates the 'money' (credit which is then used by the 'lender'). The 'debt' is bogus and a means of enslaving the naive into perpetuity.

*under the current 'money' scheme/shenanigans

Actually I believe this site is infested with stupidity and this post just goes to prove it.

Perpetuity huh?
Tell me are you enslaved in perpetuity when the loan is paid off?
Does the lender require more payments after the loan is paid off?

[palani]

A dollar is the value of a man's labor from sunup to sunset. Fraud is where more than this amount is paid for less labor (includes no labor too).

Don't look in the statutes or law books for that definition. It comes to us through centuries of history.

If you take out a student loan for ten thousand dollars you are agreeing to labor ten thousand days (somewhat shy of 30 years). But you might get out of debt faster if you practice fraud.

[midnight rambler]

Actually I believe this site is infested with stupidity and this post just goes to prove it.

Perpetuity huh?
Tell me are you enslaved in perpetuity when the loan is paid off?
Does the lender require more payments after the loan is paid off?

Okay Mr. Clueless, we've covered this before - IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO *PAY* A DEBT WITH A DEBT. Only the insane think this is possible. To *pay* a debt means to extinguish the debt, i.e. value for value, substance for substance. Federal Reserves Notes on their face ARE debt. Only the braindead are unable to comprehend such a very simple concept.

[7th trump]

Okay Mr. Clueless, we've covered this before - IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO *PAY* A DEBT WITH A DEBT. Only the insane think this is possible. To *pay* a debt means to extinguish the debt, i.e. value for value, substance for substance. Federal Reserves Notes on their face ARE debt. Only the braindead are unable to comprehend such a very simple concept.

Ok brain dead ....show me a millionaire who cant afford a decent pair of jeans because hes strapped with debt....can you comprehend such a simple concept?

Also clueless rambler...show me where a fiat dollar is nothing but debt?
Betcha you cant and never will...and to think you're calling others clueless and brain dead.

[Ares]

Actually I believe this site is infested with stupidity and this post just goes to prove it.

Perpetuity huh?
Tell me are you enslaved in perpetuity when the loan is paid off?
Does the lender require more payments after the loan is paid off?

Yeah everyone is stupid but you.... Yeah that's it... :-/

[7th trump]

Yeah everyone is stupid but you.... Yeah that's it... :-/

Read that again Ares!!!
I said I believe this site is infested....I didnt say everyone is stupid.....but since you're demonstrating the shoe fits you....more power to you. Knock yourself out and go have a drink with stupid...I can care less.

[Ares]

Most here are stupid because they cant, and don't, think for themselves and cling to every stupid conspiracy tale that floats by.

Maybe it's because the person who considers himself learend just degenerate the conversation into ad hominem attacks and name calling. You're hardly a pillar of knowledge and being an active member here what does that say about you?

[7th trump]

Maybe it's because the person who considers himself learend just degenerate the conversation into ad hominem attacks and name calling. You're hardly a pillar of knowledge and being an active member here what does that say about you?

Cant fly with eagles when theres nothing but chicken littles.

[Glass]

The perpetuity is not on THAT loan, it's on the life of the person which will be spent in perpetual debt. Which starts with the student debt.

There could be a number of ways to deal with this but without solidarity of people recognizing the situation as a fraud or at the least a debt inducing scam its one young man or woman at a time fighting it on their own.

IMO, seeing as there is no money and fiat money is created by the debtor, which is then "lent" to the debtor at interest constitutes a fundamental fraud.

There is also such a thing as Fraud by Omission. This is what Governments use in everything they do. They omitt things. Refuse to respond to questions of the basis of the law, the foundation of it's authorty etc.

Given that no one actually lent any money (except the debtor) then there is no actual debt. They should be cancelled. Same as mortgages. Have a Jubilee. Cancel all the long term debt.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to the country if that occured.

If I were the person in the OP, I would have conditionally accepted. Payment to follow as soon as gold and silver coin become available again. He would have needed to do that a long time before they got the default judgement.

Also, if a debt collector buys your debt then your debt is paid. If the debt collector wants to pay your debt, thats very philanthropic of them, but with out an agreement between you and the debt collector, they don't really have any legal recourse to collect from you. Not saying they won't try.

[midnight rambler]

show me where a fiat dollar is nothing but debt?

I suppose you REALLY are THAT stupid that you're unable to comprehend PLAIN ENGLISH.

Federal Reserve Note. (of course this is conspicuously* and prominently displayed at the very top, front and center of EVERY Federal Reserve NOTE lol)

And yet you keep coming back and coming back making a complete fool out of yourself. lol

*I cannot imagine how the term "Federal Reserve Note" on the face of Federal Reserve Notes could POSSIBLY be more conspicuous

[7th trump]

The perpetuity is not on THAT loan, it's on the life of the person which will be spent in perpetual debt. Which starts with the student debt.

There could be a number of ways to deal with this but without solidarity of people recognizing the situation as a fraud or at the least a debt inducing scam its one young man or woman at a time fighting it on their own.

IMO, seeing as there is no money and fiat money is created by the debtor, which is then "lent" to the debtor at interest constitutes a fundamental fraud.

There is also such a thing as Fraud by Omission. This is what Governments use in everything they do. They omitt things. Refuse to respond to questions of the basis of the law, the foundation of it's authorty etc.

Given that no one actually lent any money (except the debtor) then there is no actual debt. They should be cancelled. Same as mortgages. Have a Jubilee. Cancel all the long term debt.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to the country if that occured.

If I were the person in the OP, I would have conditionally accepted. Payment to follow as soon as gold and silver coin become available again. He would have needed to do that a long time before they got the default judgement.

Also, if a debt collector buys your debt then your debt is paid. If the debt collector wants to pay your debt, thats very philanthropic of them, but with out an agreement between you and the debt collector, they don't really have any legal recourse to collect from you. Not saying they won't try.

So where did you come with the idea that student loans are a fraud?
Did not the student learn what he borrowed the money for?

Are you suggesting its fraud because of what the student decided to learn wasnt worth the amount of money borrowed?
You act as though the lending institute gets all the money when someone signs for a loan and doesnt pay the loan back.
Sorry to tell you this but the lending institute doesnt get the money...the school does and the lending institute is on the hook if the student doesnt pay the lending institute what the student borrowed.

[7th trump]

I suppose you REALLY are THAT stupid that you're unable to comprehend PLAIN ENGLISH.

Federal Reserve Note. (of course this is conspicuously* and prominently displayed at the very top, front and center of EVERY Federal Reserve NOTE lol)

And yet you keep coming back and coming back making a complete fool out of yourself. lol

*I cannot imagine how the term "Federal Reserve Note" on the face of Federal Reserve Notes could POSSIBLY be more conspicuous

So it has "NOTE" stamped on it (big ass deal, if I stamped "note" on my truck does that mean its some how now debt?)...............now be intelligent, for once, and show us where a dollar is actual debt?

[midnight rambler]

So it has "NOTE" stamped on it (big ass deal, if I stamped "note" on my truck does that mean its some how now debt?)...............now be intelligent, for once, and show us where a (NOTE) is actual debt?

I never thought anyone could be THIS stupid, but I've apparently been proven wrong. lol

[Santa]

Sometimes even white folks, like 7th trump (I assume you are white) wind up, by osmosis, thinking like jews,

I think it's more like a virus...call it jewsury.

[7th trump]

I never thought anyone could be THIS stupid, but I've apparently been proven wrong. lol

You dont even know what I note is do you fool?

Really all you have said was its "debt" because it has "note" stamped on the face of it.....not good enough!

US treasury paper has "note" stamped on it too....but idiots like you think thats money and isnt "debt"....so how or why would I take your pathetic definition of debt as anything other than you dont really know jack shit?

[midnight rambler]

You dont even know what I note (sic) is do you fool?

Really all you have said was its "debt" because it has "note" stamped on the face of it.....not good enough!

US treasury paper has "note" stamped on it too....but idiots like you think thats money and isnt "debt"....so how or why would I take your pathetic definition of debt as anything other than you dont really know jack shit?

I really have to wonder what you've done to yourself to become SO lost and confused. Is it drugs? Mental illness? A combination of the two? What?

In an effort to restore lucidity to this thread -


Definition

Fiat money has been defined variously as:


Any money declared by a government to be legal tender (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-5)
State-issued money which is neither convertible by law to any other thing*, nor fixed in value in terms of any objective standard.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-keynesp7-6)
Intrinsically valueless money used as money because of government decree.**[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-mankiw-1)
While gold- or silver-backed representative money (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_money) entails the legal requirement that the bank of issue redeem it in fixed weights of gold or silver, fiat money's value is unrelated to the value of any physical quantity. A coin is fiat currency to the extent its face value (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_value), value defined in law, is greater than its market value as metal.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-Walsh_2003-3)


*Inapplicable to Federal Reserve Notes (per the Constitution AND 12USC411)
**Bingo


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#Definition

[7th trump]

In an effort to restore lucidity to this thread -



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#Definition

Boy.....you're a dumb one arent you!!

Show us where fiat money is "debt".
The underline question is fiat money being "debt" (you said it not me)...as in you cant pay debt off with more debt.
So far you're waffled all around the board in hopes that I'm fooled by your pathetic semantic game of throwing anything and everything at me to convince me paper money is debt.

The US dollar isn't intrinsically valueless because it buys goods and services...heck it even buys gold and silver and other precious metals.
Try again fool and please you some intelligence this time.

[midnight rambler]

Aw, come on...you HAVE to be putting us on. NO ONE can POSSIBLY be THAT stupid!

http://marketshadows.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Silver-Certificate-v.-Federal-Reserve-Note.jpg

[StreetsOfGold]

No it shouldn't be a write off....why should you tax payers pay for someone not being responsible?

Are you a liberal?

No but you are an ASSHOLE!

[7th trump]

Aw, come on...you HAVE to be putting us on. NO ONE can POSSIBLY be THAT stupid!

http://marketshadows.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Silver-Certificate-v.-Federal-Reserve-Note.jpg

Just because one "was" backed up by silver and the other never has been backed up doesnt mean the one that is not is "debt" money.
I guess you dont have any intelligence....but hey they say a third time is a charm...care to try again?

Please show us why a paper dollar is "debt" because if anyone can use it to buy gold and silver and services it has value and isnt a debt.

[7th trump]

No but you are an ASSHOLE!

I'm an asshole because I completely made you into the fool you are begging to be and asked if you are a liberal.
Hmmm....nice!

[palani]

if anyone can use it to buy gold and silver and services it has value

Fraus latet in generalibus. Fraud lies hid in general expressions.

[7th trump]

Fraus latet in generalibus. Fraud lies hid in general expressions.

Says the child with a thousand tales told.


Bravo...palani steps in to protect one of his students of long tales.
Dont think you're off the hook rambler of nothing.

Its not the first time you bowed out...and definitely not the last.

[palani]

Says the child with a thousand tales told.

I very generously shared an inheritance left to me by my ancestors. The grateful show appreciation with a simple THANK YOU!!!

[midnight rambler]

Says the child with a thousand tales told.


Bravo...palani steps in to protect one of his students of long tales.
Dont think you're off the hook rambler of nothing.

Its not the first time you bowed out...and definitely not the last.

I find taking advantage of the witless to be distasteful.

[7th trump]

I find taking advantage of the witless to be distasteful.
Bowing out like a coward and hiding behind Palani doesnt make you intelligent ramble ass....it makes you cucked by Palani.
Appears to me you're Palani's bitch. And maybe Palani should educate his students to not make palani look like a fool.
If I'm witless then why cant you simply answer my question of what makes fiat paper debt money in the context that you cant pay a debt with a debt as you said rambler?
Fiat used to purchase gold and silver isnt valueless otherwise you couldn't purchase the gold or silver in the first....but nice amatuer attempt....shows you're not all that intelligent...but a follower.
You tried twice, but nothing you said even comes close to any real answer (and everyone knows it)....you're just a rambling cuck cucked by Palani.


I bet the both of you two fools cant answer it.

[hoarder]

What about all the non-Whites who financed college? You can bet this action is very selective, only going after White debtors.

[7th trump]

What about all the non-Whites who financed college? You can bet this action is very selective, only going after White debtors.

They know who used the student loan to get somewhere in life....cant get blood from a turnip.

[hoarder]

They know who used the student loan to get somewhere in life....cant get blood from a turnip.Those minorities who got degrees have been recruited into gummit jobs and are now bossing White people around.

[Glass]

So now we arrive, yet again at the discussion about paying for something (discharging a debt) OR "setting off" the payment until a later time - when money of substance is returned to circulation.

The note is a certificate of debt. The definition of a note is that it is negotiable. Meaning it's value is not necessarily fixed. It can be exchanged for things of real value so long as the recipient feels it has worth. Since nearly everyone is snared in this confidence trick they will happily exchange something of value for something with no value. As long as there is at least 1 minute of existence after the recipient accepts the note, they can be confident at least one more fool has been born and they will be able to flick the note to someone else.

Money only exists in coin and the coin money must have substance - inherent value. A portion of gold or silver. This is a multi millenial historical fact. Coin money can be debased and every form of it's type has been by governments and rulers through history. The US and Keynsians did it best, they didn't just clip the money or dillute its inherent value. They dilluted it away to nothing.

So in summary. Negotiable instruments do not discharge or extinguish debt, they set it off, pass it on, transfer it or defer it until another time... when money of substance returns.

A lot of people think GDP is a measure of production, of making things. It is not. It is the measure of the increase of debt as all money is debt and all debt is money. So when GDP is increasing its not productivity increases but debt increases that are being reported.

[palani]

we arrive, yet again at the discussion about paying for something (discharging a debt) OR "setting off" the payment until a later time

A debt creates money. Before the signature on the piece of paper there was no hoard of paper money sitting in the vault. The act of agreeing to a loan is the creation of the principal. Unfortunately with this Ponzi scheme the one creating the money (aka 'debtor') fails to create sufficient funds to repay the interest. It really is a brilliant scheme and obviously created by smart, lazy intellectuals who are obviously thrilled with they system but they forgot just one thing. Eventually usury is going to dry up available funds just like a mop cleans up spilled milk. The guy repaying his creation must wait for someone else to create (borrow) money into existence so that he can come up with the repayment.

[7th trump]

So now we arrive, yet again at the discussion about paying for something (discharging a debt) OR "setting off" the payment until a later time - when money of substance is returned to circulation.

The note is a certificate of debt. The definition of a note is that it is negotiable. Meaning it's value is not necessarily fixed. It can be exchanged for things of real value so long as the recipient feels it has worth. Since nearly everyone is snared in this confidence trick they will happily exchange something of value for something with no value. As long as there is at least 1 minute of existence after the recipient accepts the note, they can be confident at least one more fool has been born and they will be able to flick the note to someone else.

Money only exists in coin and the coin money must have substance - inherent value. A portion of gold or silver. This is a multi millenial historical fact. Coin money can be debased and every form of it's type has been by governments and rulers through history. The US and Keynsians did it best, they didn't just clip the money or dillute its inherent value. They dilluted it away to nothing.

So in summary. Negotiable instruments do not discharge or extinguish debt, they set it off, pass it on, transfer it or defer it until another time... when money of substance returns.

A lot of people think GDP is a measure of production, of making things. It is not. It is the measure of the increase of debt as all money is debt and all debt is money. So when GDP is increasing its not productivity increases but debt increases that are being reported.
The US dollar is just a medium of exchange and yes it is fixed to represent 100 cents. It's fixed value doesn't vary. You'll never see a dollar worth 88 cents one day and then 100 cents the next day.
A dollar is not negotiable either. You're mixing a negotiable "note" (T-bills , ect) with that of a dollar.

[palani]

The US dollar i... it is fixed to represent 100 cents.

Oh, brother!!! What a simpleton explanation.

Ok, so I define a furlong as the distance a camel can travel between sunrise and sunset and there are twelve dipthongs in a furlong (by definition ... mine). I therefore know how far a camel can travel in one hour. But I have a healthy camel and a sick camel. The sick camel can only travel one third of the distance in a day than the healthy one. After one hour the healthy camel has traveled 3x the distance of the sick one YET BOTH HAVE TRAVELED A DIPTHONG.

Hope this helps you in your efforts to be less CLUELESS!!!

[7th trump]

Oh, brother!!! What a simpleton explanation.

Ok, so I define a furlong as the distance a camel can travel between sunrise and sunset and there are twelve dipthongs in a furlong (by definition ... mine). I therefore know how far a camel can travel in one hour. But I have a healthy camel and a sick camel. The sick camel can only travel one third of the distance in a day than the healthy one. After one hour the healthy camel has traveled 3x the distance of the sick one YET BOTH HAVE TRAVELED A DIPTHONG.

Hope this helps you in your efforts to be less CLUELESS!!!

Ok dill rod................show where the dollar is negotiable and varies in value?

[palani]

show where the dollar is negotiable and varies in value?
I used to daily commute to Peoria 150 miles one way. If I got hungry in Davenport I would stop at Hardee's and pick up a bagel for $.59. If I got hungry at Galesburg I would stop at Hardee's and pick up a similar bagel for $1.09. If I got hungry in Peoria I would stop at Hardee's and pick up a similar bagel for $1.59.

I might have become as wealthy as Ponce if I had picked up 1,000 bagels in Davenport and sold them on the street in Peoria.

Now how negotiable is that dollar? ... And don't you dare suggest that the bagel is what had a different value because they charged varying amounts.

[boogietillyapuke]

He was arrested for a 3 year old FTA. Lucky they didn't shoot him dead over it. Pick your battles wisely.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/US-Marshals-say-man-wasn-t-arrested-because-he-6834620.php

[7th trump]

I used to daily commute to Peoria 150 miles one way. If I got hungry in Davenport I would stop at Hardee's and pick up a bagel for $.59. If I got hungry at Galesburg I would stop at Hardee's and pick up a similar bagel for $1.09. If I got hungry in Peoria I would stop at Hardee's and pick up a similar bagel for $1.59.

I might have become as wealthy as Ponce if I had picked up 1,000 bagels in Davenport and sold them on the street in Peoria.

Now how negotiable is that dollar? ... And don't you dare suggest that the bagel is what had a different value because they charged varying amounts.

Yep...its the bagel that's the subject of price change probably for geographical location....not the dollar.
Anyone dumb enough to follow your logic deserves to be manipulated, screwed and mentally sodomized.

Midnight you reading what your teacher is saying..........any body with two brain cell to rub together to get a spark knows Palani is a sandwich shy of a picnic.

[palani]

its the bagel that's the subject of price change probably for geographical location....not the dollar.

Shame on me. Clueless can't be fixed after all.

Hope you don't expect your offspring to be mental giants.

Please do society a favor and get yourself fixed.

[7th trump]

Shame on me. Clueless can't be fixed after all.

Hope you don't expect your offspring to be mental giants.

Please do society a favor and get yourself fixed.

I think you had a lobotomy years ago and don't realize it.

And yes my 9 year old daughter is way more intelligent than you.

Hahaha.......seriously dill weed. If one Hardees in Peoria is priced higher than say a Hardees in a small town like Dewitt don't you think it has to do with the individual Hardees and location? How about the owners want to pay their help more than say a different Hardees from a smaller town. Naturally the prices would be higher......not the dollar being negotiated to dictate the prices.
Seriously go get yourself mentally checked.

And the best part of this is Midnight to side with the mentally challenged and still expects to maintain any respect he thinks he has.......hahahahahahahahaha!
I needed a good laugh, thanks palani and especially you midnight!

[Joshua01]

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[Glass]

The US dollar is just a medium of exchange and yes it is fixed to represent 100 cents. It's fixed value doesn't vary. You'll never see a dollar worth 88 cents one day and then 100 cents the next day.
A dollar is not negotiable either. You're mixing a negotiable "note" (T-bills , ect) with that of a dollar.

No I'm not. I didn't mention t bills. A note means negotiable instrument.

introducing the sub denominations of the dollar into the conversation mix doesn't paper over the hole.

The note arose from debt and will remain in existence until the debt is extinguished. Until that happens individuals use the note to discharge their obligations.

And as boogietillyapuke says, he was picked up for more than just the student debt. The debt was something he obviously ignored as they progressed their claim against him.

So the thing we can conclude from all of that is he got the wrong education. but he might be getting a better one now. we can only hope.

[Cebu_4_2]

He was arrested for a 3 year old FTA. Lucky they didn't shoot him dead over it. Pick your battles wisely.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/US-Marshals-say-man-wasn-t-arrested-because-he-6834620.php

This isn't good, once they fail to appear they are fair game:
The statement from the U.S. Marshals noted that here in Houston some 1,500 people have been identified for not appearing in court to address outstanding federal student loans.

[7th trump]

No I'm not. I didn't mention t bills. A note means negotiable instrument.

introducing the sub denominations of the dollar into the conversation mix doesn't paper over the hole.

The note arose from debt and will remain in existence until the debt is extinguished. Until that happens individuals use the note to discharge their obligations.

And as boogietillyapuke says, he was picked up for more than just the student debt. The debt was something he obviously ignored as they progressed their claim against him.

So the thing we can conclude from all of that is he got the wrong education. but he might be getting a better one now. we can only hope.

In the case of the Dollar bill its not negotiable in the sense that you think...its a medium of exchange note. Meaning the $1 note is good for anything you are willing to accept as payment in exchange for the dollar.
Its that simple people...stop listening to idiots who believe theres a conspiracy behind every shadow.

[Cebu_4_2]

In the case of the Dollar bill its not negotiable in the sense that you think...its a medium of exchange note. Meaning the $1 note is good for anything you are willing to accept as payment in exchange for the dollar.
Its that simple people...stop listening to idiots who believe theres a conspiracy behind every shadow.
Fuckking retarded man. They put a subpena on you for not paying, you dont show up and wham you get to be prey for the US Martials. You and Palini gan say words while you are handcuffed and thrown into the beast. You guys are totally fucked and going to be fucked. Your words mean nothing.

[palani]

Naturally the prices would be higher

Yet you claim the dollar is not negotiable. Sounds like negotiable to me.

[7th trump]

Yet you claim the dollar is not negotiable. Sounds like negotiable to me.

There you go people......any doubt this fellow GSUS'er is mentally challenged?

[Glass]

So reading this version of the story, if it went down like this, then it's completely outrageous. The Judge has aided theft by deception and by aggravated force. He has been kidnapped and falsely imprisoned.

The affected man has zero obligation to pay the debt to the collection agency. Even if he did there is seriuos doubt that the claim is not profiteering even in the realm of equity.

Students, Never Borrow From the Feds Posted February 18, 2016 4:49 pm by PatriotRising (http://patriotrising.com/author/metalmilitia/) with 1 comment (http://patriotrising.com/2016/02/18/students-never-borrow-from-the-feds/#the-comments)
A Houston man was arrested last Thursday over outstanding federal student loan debt left over from nearly three decades ago. Though he owed only $1,500, seven U.S. Marshals wearing combat gear and wielding automatic weapons aggressively arrested him — and authorities have said they will serve many more arrest warrants for outstanding educational bills in the near future.

“They grabbed me, they threw me down,“ 48-year-old Paul Aker told (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-marshals-arresting-people-not-paying-student-loans-article-1.2533153) the New York Daily News on Tuesday.“Local PD is just standing there.“

Aker obtained the loan to attend Prairie View A&M University in 1987 and was unaware that he still owed the government money. He says he received no prior notification before the arrest was made, but on Thursday morning, saw a suspicious truck parked outside his home. Aker says when someone approached him, he ran into his residence. Later that morning, the U.S. Marshals approached, initially refusing to tell him why they were there.

“I say, ‘What is this all about?’” Aker told the Daily News. “They say, ‘Shut up, you know what this is all about.’ I don’t have a clue.” He says that when he continued to ask questions, he was told, “you know what this is all about.”

Eventually, the Marshals informed him their visit was a result of his 30-year-old debt. “You could have sent me a letter. You could have called me,” Aker reportedly said.

He says he was ordered into the back of a truck and taken to a cell at a federal facility in downtown Houston. He was later taken to court, where he dealt with a judge, a county clerk, and a prosecutor, and says he was never read his rights. Further, Aker says the prosecutor actually turned out to be a collections lawyer. According to his account, the judge felt obliged to teach him a lesson.


“Then I get a lecture (from the judge) about the United States and stealing from the government,“ he recounted. He was ordered to pay $5,700, including interest, for the original $1,500 loan. If he does not pay by March 1, he will be arrested again. He is also ordered to pay for the cost of his own arrest.



According to (http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/92232732-story) local news Fox 26, U.S. Marshals intend to serve between 1,200 and 1,500 more arrest warrants to individuals who have not repaid their debt. Texas Representative Gene Green, a Democrat, told Fox the crackdown is a result of the government’s recent decision to hire private debt collectors to resolve borrowers’ outstanding fees. These collectors “are getting judgements in federal court and asking judges to use the US Marshals Service to arrest those who have failed to pay their federal student loans.”

story link - Dont borrow from the Feds (http://patriotrising.com/2016/02/18/students-never-borrow-from-the-feds/)

[palani]

any doubt this fellow GSUS'er is mentally challenged?
How did you arrive at an agreement with your employer on your value? Did you negotiate?

Was it your labor that was negotiable or the value of the dollar? Or both?

How about you negotiate your labor cost based upon Quad Cities cost of living and then get told the job is in NYC where the cost of living is 2x as high? Are you going to back out of the agreement? Is your labor more valuable in NYC? Is the dollar less valuable in NYC? Or maybe you are going to make some sort of claim that "my labor rate is the same but I seek to be unjustly enriched because the job is in NYC." ?

Your position is irrational. Your castle is built on a foundation of sand. If you can't honestly answer the questions above your position is that of a hypocrite or mental deficient.

[palani]

The affected man has zero obligation to pay the debt to the collection agency. Even if he did there is seriuos doubt that the claim is not profiteering even in the realm of equity.

Nobody ever repays any debt. You simply don't have the means (discharge as opposed to extinguish).

What you do when you receive a bill is flip it over, write OK TO PAY and place your seal or signature or both and return the bill.

1. You have not dishonored the bill.
2. You have instructed your agents to honor the bill.
3. The only other action you can take is to ignore the bill and that enters the field of dishonor.
4. It is the honor or the dishonor that makes the difference. The bill is irrelevant.
5. When you stay in honor you will find you are punished less.
6. If the action of staying in honor causes you some injury then you should be compensated for your injury. Compensation is a difficult topic in a bankrupt society because bills whether for compensation or goods/services are never paid. You get to stand in line with the rest of the creditors looking for reimbursement and the rule is FIRST IN TIME FIRST IN LINE. You get a position at the end of the line and if your bill ever reaches the front likely your heirs will benefit. I have no heirs. Neither do you.

[7th trump]

How did you arrive at an agreement with your employer on your value? Did you negotiate?

Was it your labor that was negotiable or the value of the dollar? Or both?

How about you negotiate your labor cost based upon Quad Cities cost of living and then get told the job is in NYC where the cost of living is 2x as high? Are you going to back out of the agreement? Is your labor more valuable in NYC? Is the dollar less valuable in NYC? Or maybe you are going to make some sort of claim that "my labor rate is the same but I seek to be unjustly enriched because the job is in NYC." ?

Your position is irrational. Your castle is built on a foundation of sand. If you can't honestly answer the questions above your position is that of a hypocrite or mental deficient.

As usual you're wrong again.

Being I'm union when I work outside my local I get paid that local wage plus drive time and allowance for food. I will never get paid anything lower than what my local scale is. So if I go to a local that's lower in scale than my local I will get paid my local scale and if I go to a local that's higher in scale than my local I will get paid that higher rate. And the job is bid that way regardless if you're bidding against union or nonunion contractors. Nonunion contractors are awarded union scale jobs.
We as a union compete with nonunion contractors. So don't give me any bullshit about the union rate vs. nonunion rate. Nonunion contractors make out like a bandit and they pay their help pennies with virtually no benefits and then don't have the quality of craftsmanship. I don't know how many times we go in after a nonunion contractor to clean up and fix their low balling efforts.


So no moron...your feeble attempt at defining the dollar note being negotiable is ....well retarded.
The dollar isn't being negotiated itself but the wage amount that's negotiated......n ot surprised coming from someone who latches onto every conspiracy out there nd then tries to explain it away........how many conspiracies is that now?
At least 10 or 15!!!

[7th trump]

Nobody ever repays any debt. You simply don't have the means (discharge as opposed to extinguish).

What you do when you receive a bill is flip it over, write OK TO PAY and place your seal or signature or both and return the bill.

1. You have not dishonored the bill.
2. You have instructed your agents to honor the bill.
3. The only other action you can take is to ignore the bill and that enters the field of dishonor.
4. It is the honor or the dishonor that makes the difference. The bill is irrelevant.
5. When you stay in honor you will find you are punished less.
6. If the action of staying in honor causes you some injury then you should be compensated for your injury. Compensation is a difficult topic in a bankrupt society because bills whether for compensation or goods/services are never paid. You get to stand in line with the rest of the creditors looking for reimbursement and the rule is FIRST IN TIME FIRST IN LINE. You get a position at the end of the line and if your bill ever reaches the front likely your heirs will benefit. I have no heirs. Neither do you.

But you know what Glass? Palani cant explain why after you pay off a debt (he claims you never pay it off) why you aren't continually billed.

He never has and never will....its like watching a retard stick his finger deep down nose to get at that booger he knows is not there.

[palani]

Being I'm union

'Nough said. Unions and communism are identical.

Communism is doomed. False philosophy. But feel free to try to disprove me wrong.

[palani]

Palani cant explain why after you pay off a debt (he claims you never pay it off) why you aren't continually billed.

When did you ever pay off the national debt? I hope you know that is where you are accumulating debt. I know you don't believe in paying for it because you have said as much (no withholding, no income, etc ... along with other irrational statements).

Hence we come full circle to people not repaying their student loans. To not do so is either
1. impossible ... don't have any money
or
2. dishonorable ... have the money but choose to party on Friday and Saturday nite.

[midnight rambler]

Being I'm union

TRANSLATION: I'm a dyed in the wool Communist.

And has the gall to call ME a Communist. Gawd how I love irony. lol

[7th trump]

When did you ever pay off the national debt? I hope you know that is where you are accumulating debt. I know you don't believe in paying for it because you have said as much (no withholding, no income, etc ... along with other irrational statements).

Hence we come full circle to people not repaying their student loans. To not do so is either
1. impossible ... don't have any money
or
2. dishonorable ... have the money but choose to party on Friday and Saturday nite.

What does national debt have to do with personal debt?

Furthermore paying taxes from your labor has nothing at all to do with national debt. You haven't proved that either. I don't have a W4 on file with the employer. I choose not to participate in Social Security....no law says anyone must participate. Matter of fact A Social Security administrative regulation says you don't have to participate (right in their own rule book).
The employer was quite pleased too since he doesn't have to match half of the SS imposition. See moron if you ever decide to research the code you'll come across the truth instead of relying on conspiracy you read off the internets from idiots like you who wont look at something unbiased.

[7th trump]

TRANSLATION: I'm a dyed in the wool Communist.

And has the gall to call ME a Communist. Gawd how I love irony. lol

Really...coming from the guy that posts pictures of soviet murdering machines. Always wishing the US will collapse under soviet infiltrators.

You really don't have a clue what the IBEW is do you?
Its been around way before communism was ever thought of (late 1800's)........its the reason why you have a 40 hour week instead of being a sweat shop like your communist China, North Korea and the soviet union where wages are low and work conditions sub par if not deadly.

I see you don't comment until Palani shows up........whats smatter Midnight?
Scared of me? ....you should be.
I've bitch slapped you every time you think you know something.

[midnight rambler]

I see you don't comment until Palani shows up........whats smatter Midnight?

No, as I've expressed before, I find spending time abusing the dimwitted to be very distasteful. I derive no pleasure from it.

Yet further evidence of your mental deficiencies (this really is too easy lol) -


You really don't have a clue what the IBEW is do you?
Its been around way before communism was ever thought of (late 1800's)

The IBEW is in fact a direct offshoot of the International Workingmen's Association, which was a direct result of the works of Marx and Engels with Marx playing a significant role in the establishment of same -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workingmen's_Association

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

You really are a dullard, huh?

One of 7th trump's heroes -

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Karl_Marx_001.jpg/440px-Karl_Marx_001.jpg

[boogietillyapuke]

You really don't have a clue what the IBEW is do you?

I Blow Elephant Weenies? :rolleyes:

[midnight rambler]

7th trump, self-admitted bona fide card-carrying Communist and damn proud of it.

He's so lost he's probably unable to connect the dots in my previous post. lol

[collector]

He's just an angry guy looking to lash out at anyone willing to engage him.
A bit confused but has lots to say. It must come from his prior work experience - you can say just about anything you want (right or wrong) when you have a union organization preventing your boss from firing you.

[midnight rambler]

He's just an angry guy looking to lash out at anyone willing to engage him.

He follows me around 'cause he can depend on me to toss him his favorite treat -

http://www.chicagonow.com/happy-dog-happy-owner/files/2012/10/Bully-Sticks-resized-e1350394434637.jpg

[collector]

I think you hit the nail on the head !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4trn2lJxl00

[7th trump]

He's just an angry guy looking to lash out at anyone willing to engage him.
A bit confused but has lots to say. It must come from his prior work experience - you can say just about anything you want (right or wrong) when you have a union organization preventing your boss from firing you.

Nope....union didn't have anything to do with me not participating in Social Security.......but the Social Security Administration surely did :cool:

Say what you want....heck I don't give a rats ass. I'm not the one stuck in the system like you are.

[7th trump]

He follows me around 'cause he can depend on me to toss him his favorite treat -

http://www.chicagonow.com/happy-dog-happy-owner/files/2012/10/Bully-Sticks-resized-e1350394434637.jpg

Hahahahahahaha......patting himself on the back........lol someone has to do it.

[7th trump]

7th trump, self-admitted bona fide card-carrying Communist and damn proud of it.

He's so lost he's probably unable to connect the dots in my previous post. lol

Unions aren't card carrying communists.....but your posts of soviet death machines and your fierce support of wanting the US to fall to communism surely says a lot about you.
Which of course I've been saying now for well over a few years about you.

Say what you will....you have to attack my character to get rid of me.

Hey....you never did say what communist country you were born in.

[7th trump]

No, as I've expressed before, I find spending time abusing the dimwitted to be very distasteful. I derive no pleasure from it.

Yet further evidence of your mental deficiencies (this really is too easy lol) -



The IBEW is in fact a direct offshoot of the International Workingmen's Association, which was a direct result of the works of Marx and Engels with Marx playing a significant role in the establishment of same -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workingmen's_Association

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

You really are a dullard, huh?

One of 7th trump's heroes -

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Karl_Marx_001.jpg/440px-Karl_Marx_001.jpg

Wow ....you always lie?
No where in either of your two links does it mention the IBEW...anywhere.
Midnight is liar and a twister of truth........point blank lying!
First off, the IBEW was formed in St Louis, Missouri...local 1. And the guy who started the IBEW was working in the west putting up railroad telegraph lines while continental rail roads were being built. No ties to any communists. Just a electrician who was tired of not getting paid correctly and working sweat shop hours day and night (goes against your communist soviets ten planks). He wanted a fair wage and better working hours and a voice in the working arena (collective bargaining).


Hahaha you really are hoot midnight.
Now you've been caught being a liar in the open.

[midnight rambler]

ONLY a complete moron would be unable to make the connection between the International Workingmen's Association (aka First International, the very beginning of unions) and unions. lol

[gunDriller]

ONLY a complete moron would be unable to make the connection between the International Workingmen's Association (aka First International, the very beginning of unions) and unions. lol

I don't make the connection because I don't think about it.

As far as the US marshals' jobs creation program ... chasing down student loans -- it is just like a slow motion fvcking Civil War. When you consider all the cops kicking in people's heads.


That's one reason I don't know the details of Jews & unions ... I save every article about police brutality I can find.

If I started chasing down articles about unions, it would cut into my time studying police brutality. / semi-sarc :)

[midnight rambler]

I don't make the connection because I don't think about it.

I learned about the connection between unions and Marxist Communism in a high school history class. Anyone who doesn't possess this knowledge should sue the school district they got their 'education' from since obviously they didn't get an education.

[7th trump]

ONLY a complete moron would be unable to make the connection between the International Workingmen's Association (aka First International, the very beginning of unions) and unions. lol

Only a complete moron would keep saying "unable to make the connect" when you don't make any connectionto begin with.
Its obvious you cant make any connection or you would spell it out but all you can do is pretend there is a connection that nobody seems to understand but you.


The IBEW isn't communist at all. It stands for "International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers"...how is that even related to the USSR party?
At the time of the IBEW's conception the 50 union states (or several states) were their very own nation state (international). The USofA is international within all the several states.

[midnight rambler]

Only the delusional (or very willfully ignorant) are unable to see the EXTREMELY CLEAR nexus between Marxist Communism (via the International Workingmen's Association) and unions. Unions would have NEVER come into existence without Karl Marx planting the seed and then nurturing it to fruition. Unions are rooted in Communism, period. NO ONE who knows history can, or will, deny this.

[7th trump]

Only the delusional (or very willfully ignorant) are unable to see the EXTREMELY CLEAR nexus between Marxist Communism (via the International Workingmen's Association) and unions. Unions would have NEVER come into existence without Karl Marx planting the seed and then nurturing it to fruition. Unions are rooted in Communism, period. NO ONE who knows history can, or will, deny this.

So I guess America with its union states are down to the core communist huh?

Bahahahahaha.............

[7th trump]

Only the delusional (or very willfully ignorant) are unable to see the EXTREMELY CLEAR nexus between Marxist Communism (via the International Workingmen's Association) and unions. Unions would have NEVER come into existence without Karl Marx planting the seed and then nurturing it to fruition. Unions are rooted in Communism, period. NO ONE who knows history can, or will, deny this.



Well if you want people to read (believe) your lies maybe connect the dots for them?

Smatter midnight? I see your desperate to try and go after my character with such vigilance of a rabid jewish communist....all lies of course.
You got nothing but a complete made up lie trying to connect the IBEW to your beloved jewish communist theology.
You cant because they arent connected....but you'll try your damnest to the extent of making up lies and posting links that have nothing at all to do with the IBEW.
The IBEW was founded by an American electrician who fought to get the 40 hour work week (and the weekend)...and succeeded. You wouldnt have the 40 work week or a weekend without the IBEW stepping up to the plate.
What you'd have are sweat shops that communist countries you portray as humane and humble. Sweat shops where you work for 20 plus hours a day for pennies in working conditions of that to a piss poor dog kennel.