Homeless Man Owes Government Over $110,000 In Fines For Being Homeless

[mick silver]

Homeless Man Owes Government Over $110,000 In Fines For Being HomelessSource: Against Crony Capitalism (http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2016/03/homeless-man-owes-government-over-110000-in-fines-for-being-homeless/)

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I’m going to guess that this guy really doesn’t care about his credit rating.
Nothing says societal progress like fining a homeless person $110,000. I would imagine that being homeless in Montreal (like this guy) would be “fine” enough.

(From TrueActivist)
The recent case of a homeless man racking up massive fines has exposed the widespread police practice of fining homeless people for being homeless.
Émilie Guimond-Bélanger, a social worker at the Droits Devant legal clinic in Montreal spoke to the media about a case that she worked on where a homeless man racked up over $110,000 in tickets.
“It was shocking. We’ve never seen someone with so many tickets,” Émilie told CBC. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-homeless-man-100k-fines-1.3473707)
The man had over 500 tickets, which amounted to over $110,000 in fines.

Click here for the article. (http://www.trueactivist.com/homeless-man-owes-government-over-110000-in-fines-for-being-homeless/)

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[ximmy]

Although the fines are ridiculous, the homeless live off public and private water, bathrooms & tax free handouts. Some get a monthly check. Let them live outside of the city borders, not off the good citizens. Let them fend for themselves in the swamps and thickets.

[StreetsOfGold]

Although the fines are ridiculous, the homeless live off public and private water, bathrooms & tax free handouts. Some get a monthly check. Let them live outside of the city borders, not off the good citizens. Let them fend for themselves in the swamps and thickets. (< well, at least we know you're not a Christian, in case there was any doubt https://www.pgm.org )

Who are the "good" "CITIZENS"?
What criteria are you using for what entails a a "good citizen"?

If the gubbermint sends you a bill for 110,000, then send a bill right back for double, anyone can play that game.

[skidmark]

Guess the state will just have to garnish/attach the homeless man's estate, good luck with that.

[palani]

Thought it might be pointed out that those are Canadian dollars ... and the Canadian government is the one billing.

Vagrancy is not a crime in the U.S. Nonetheless I still carry $5 in gold because vagrancy is one of the 'excepted' status's in the Articles of Confederation.

[ximmy]

Who are the "good" "CITIZENS"?
What criteria are you using for what entails a a "good citizen"?

Let's see if I can guess why you responded thus...

Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Pretty good guess, huh?

Here are some "images" of the "good" ones.


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[Santa]

Although the fines are ridiculous, the homeless live off public and private water, bathrooms & tax free handouts. Some get a monthly check. Let them live outside of the city borders, not off the good citizens. Let them fend for themselves in the swamps and thickets.

Spread the homeless out into the suburbs and you'll have more than moles digging around in your lawn.

[ximmy]

Spread the homeless out into the suburbs and you'll have more than moles digging around in your lawn.

bums live off free stuff. If they were forced to live off the fruit of the land... they would go extinct.

[Ponce]

bums live off free stuff. If they were forced to live off the fruit of the land... they would go extinct.

Ximmy, we now live from the fruit tree of past generations and not from one of our own....when that lonely fruit has no more fruits then we will die.

V

[Glass]

Canadian homeless can be pretty agressive pan handlers. They really do remind me of zombie apocalypse. If one approaches you, they are very quickly followed by a second and a third shuffling your way and before you know it you've got a half dozen chasing after you with hand extended. Canadians are very friendly people but the panhandlers are a different kind of "friendly".

[ximmy]

Ximmy, we now live from the fruit tree of past generations and not from one of our own....when that lonely fruit has no more fruits then we will die.

V

That's a different subject, but in brief; a well managed modern society has city life with conveniences and leisure time, evolved from generations of hard work...

That's part of the problem. 3rd world countries think they are entitled to these modern things when their civilizations have not earned them.

Each successful civilization must grow it's religion & philosophy, mathematics, science, engineering, art, roads, construction, bridges, transportation, housing, electrical grid, pipelines, sewers, city management, etc...

3rd worlds cannot become modern without starting from the beginning with a cooperative among the people for 30 generations! Caucasians earned their modern life.

some of us work hard to maintain this lifestyle, the bum leeches off of the hard work of others.

[7th trump]

Thought it might be pointed out that those are Canadian dollars ... and the Canadian government is the one billing.

Vagrancy is not a crime in the U.S. Nonetheless I still carry $5 in gold because vagrancy is one of the 'excepted' status's in the Articles of Confederation.

Yeah to bad the Articles are no longer enforced.
I'd love to see you bring up the Articles of Confederacy in a court room having the US flag arguing your gold piece.
They'd throw the straight jacket on you...as it should be!

[7th trump]

That's a different subject, but in brief; a well managed modern society has city life with conveniences and leisure time, evolved from generations of hard work...

That's part of the problem. 3rd world countries think they are entitled to these modern things when their civilizations have not earned them.

Each successful civilization must grow it's religion & philosophy, mathematics, science, engineering, art, roads, construction, bridges, transportation, housing, electrical grid, pipelines, sewers, city management, etc...

3rd worlds cannot become modern without starting from the beginning with a cooperative among the people for 30 generations! Caucasians earned their modern life.

some of us work hard to maintain this lifestyle, the bum leeches off of the hard work of others.

Wow...you've changed your tune haven't you in the form of a 180.
I said the same damn thing only to be attacked by you!

[Jewboo]

...Caucasians earned their modern life.

some of us work hard to maintain this lifestyle, the bum leeches off of the hard work of others.



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[palani]

Yeah to bad the Articles are no longer enforced.
I'd love to see you bring up the Articles of Confederacy in a court room having the US flag arguing your gold piece.
They'd throw the straight jacket on you...as it should be!
What part of PERPETUAL is ambiguous? The U.S. constitution has no PERPETUAL clause. PERPETUAL was the reason Lincoln used to perpetuate a federal union on the southern states in the late war of northern aggression. He got this from the ARTICLES.

Could you show where PERPETUAL can be superseded or where it HAS been superseded?

Society can act as irrational as they like but that does not throw out thousands of years of history. Take your clues from what has worked in the past rather than inventing new stuff.

[ximmy]

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:rolleyes:



Postmodern America & the Decline of Western Civilization.

Spent my whole life in the city
Where junk is king and the air smells shitty
People puking everywhere
Piles of blood, scabs and hair


Bodies wasted in defeat
People dying on the streets
The suburban scumbags they don't care
They just get fat and dye their hair

I love living in the city
I love living in the city
Read more at http://www.songlyrics.com/fear/i-love-living-in-the-city-lyrics/#vGxz83Zm3WSuFl7A.99

[ximmy]

Wow...you've changed your tune haven't you in the form of a 180.
I said the same damn thing only to be attacked by you!

Peace, be still! Peace, be still!

Master, the tempest is raging!
The billows are tossing high!
The sky is o'ershadow with blackness,
No shelter or help is nigh;
Carest Thou not that we perish?
How canst Thou lie asleep,
When each moment so madly is threatening
A grave in the angry deep?

-----

The winds and the waves shall obey Thy will,
Peace, be still!
-----
Whether the wrath of the storm tossed sea,
Or demons or men, or whatever it be
No waters can swallow the ship where lies
The Master of ocean, and earth, and skies;
They all shall sweetly obey Thy will,
Peace, be still! Peace, be still!
They all shall sweetly obey Thy will,
Peace, peace, be still!

[7th trump]

What part of PERPETUAL is ambiguous? The U.S. constitution has no PERPETUAL clause. PERPETUAL was the reason Lincoln used to perpetuate a federal union on the southern states in the late war of northern aggression. He got this from the ARTICLES.

Could you show where PERPETUAL can be superseded or where it HAS been superseded?

Society can act as irrational as they like but that does not throw out thousands of years of history. Take your clues from what has worked in the past rather than inventing new stuff.


I've heard of reaching for your best, but what degree of stupid are you?
The Articles are no longer recognized by any government. It was replaced by the US Constitution....thus their perpetual aspect is also no longer recognized.
For instance George Washington, George wasnt president under the Articles. I believe there was two or three before George under the Articles but hes recognized as the first president under the US Constitution. No mention of the other previous guys....why is that?
I'll clue your silly ass in Palani....the previous presidents arent recognized because they, along with their Articles of confederacy are not recognized. The present day federal and state governments are not governed by the Articles.
Sure the founders used some of the idea's from the Articles to write the Constitution...but that doesnt say the Articles are in full force and effect....the Articles are "LEGALLY" dead....like your brain!
Hahahahaha....thats why I love to see your pathetic silly ass argue the Articles in todays court to see what happens. Hopefully they put a few rounds in your head...it'll be a change to hear some rattling from inside there instead of the silent nothingness of vast emptiness.

[palani]

The Articles are no longer recognized by any government.
You make really dumb statements.

Next you will be claiming the Magna Carte is not in effect.

Why is it you accept every facet of Roman Law yet refuse common sense and reasoning?

[7th trump]

On March 4, 1789, the general government under the Articles was replaced with the federal government under the United States Constitution.


Both Governments could not be understood to exist at the same time. The new Government did not commence until the old Government expired. It is apparent that the Government did not commence on the Constitution being ratified by the ninth State; for these ratifications were to be reported to Congress, whose continuing existence was recognised by the Convention, and who were requested to continue to exercise their powers for the purpose of bringing the new government into operation. In fact, Congress did continue to act as a government until it dissolved on the first of November, by the successive disappearance of its members. It existed potentially until the 2d of March, the day preceding that on which the members of the new Congress were directed to assemble.

The central government the Articles established is gone...bye bye!
There isnt a state that recognizes the articles nor any international government either.

Its dead....like your common sense is.

[palani]

The central government the Articles established is gone...bye bye!
There isnt a state that recognizes the articles nor any international government either.

The U.S. constitution forms a 'more perfect' union. That 'more perfect' union is financial. That was one of the key reasons for the change from the Articles to the Constitution.

In the financial plane the Constitution is king. In the non-financial plane the original 13 countries that signed on to the agreement are still signed on. Certainly the Articles of Confederation have no application west of the Mississippi River ... that country being French and Spanish.

Now as to those original 13 countries that formed the Federation under the Articles ... for about 70 years they were replaced with financially oriented countries and after that became states under the 14th amendment, no longer countries at all in a sovereign sense but rather puppet regimes whose strings were pulled out of the District.

In Illinois, which was once Virginia, the Articles could be said to apply if this financial nonsense could be left behind. Most people don't see return to rational government as defined in the past as a good solution. They like to go forward rather than back. But when the entire financial world is bankrupt (and this includes you and all your union buddies) I have a feeling you are inclined to a system that enslaves you more rather than sets you free.

[7th trump]

The U.S. constitution forms a 'more perfect' union. That 'more perfect' union is financial. That was one of the key reasons for the change from the Articles to the Constitution.

In the financial plane the Constitution is king. In the non-financial plane the original 13 countries that signed on to the agreement are still signed on. Certainly the Articles of Confederation have no application west of the Mississippi River ... that country being French and Spanish.

Now as to those original 13 countries that formed the Federation under the Articles ... for about 70 years they were replaced with financially oriented countries and after that became states under the 14th amendment, no longer countries at all in a sovereign sense but rather puppet regimes whose strings were pulled out of the District.

In Illinois, which was once Virginia, the Articles could be said to apply if this financial nonsense could be left behind. Most people don't see return to rational government as defined in the past as a good solution. They like to go forward rather than back. But when the entire financial world is bankrupt (and this includes you and all your union buddies) I have a feeling you are inclined to a system that enslaves you more rather than sets you free.

Financial in what sense moron?

[Glass]

Maybe some kind of bankruptcy event or similar? Federations are usually a consolidation of some sort.

The american civil war is an example of economic/financial consolidation I suppose.

[palani]

Financial in what sense

Financial in the sense to engage in business transactions with commercial banks. The Articles did not permit the federation to borrow money with any hope of passing these debts down to the member citizens (aka "the 13 colonies" or "the several States"). This was considered a major defect.

Later (about 70 years .. the period of grace before bankruptcy) those member colonies that relied upon slavery for their commercial gain (aka the southern states) decided they really had no need to repay their share of debts incurred by the federation that they had profited from so handsomely for quite some time and so they opted to strike off on their own. The banking establishments saw this as an opportunity to profit from the conflict.

As a result of the (un)civil war government decided that instead of using their constituent citizens (the several States) as collateral they would have better control and could utter more paper if they held individual men and women as collateral and surety for their newly constructed bankruptcy scheme under the 14th amendment constitution.

The Articles are still in effect within the geographic area committed (east of the Mississippi River) for those who choose not to participate as surety for the bankruptcy ... i.e., non-commercial people.

So you are correct ... the Articles are not in effect ... for a people who hold themselves as surety for the bankruptcy. For the rest of us the Articles are in effect merely by adopting them and giving due process (notice and right to inquire). As you are availing yourself of the opportunity to inquire then due process has been granted to you.

[7th trump]

Financial in the sense to engage in business transactions with commercial banks. The Articles did not permit the federation to borrow money with any hope of passing these debts down to the member citizens (aka "the 13 colonies" or "the several States"). This was considered a major defect.

Later (about 70 years .. the period of grace before bankruptcy) those member colonies that relied upon slavery for their commercial gain (aka the southern states) decided they really had no need to repay their share of debts incurred by the federation that they had profited from so handsomely for quite some time and so they opted to strike off on their own. The banking establishments saw this as an opportunity to profit from the conflict.

As a result of the (un)civil war government decided that instead of using their constituent citizens (the several States) as collateral they would have better control and could utter more paper if they held individual men and women as collateral and surety for their newly constructed bankruptcy scheme under the 14th amendment constitution.

The Articles are still in effect within the geographic area committed (east of the Mississippi River) for those who choose not to commit themselves as surety for the bankruptcy ... i.e., non-commercial people.

Wow........go get your brain checked.

[palani]

Federations are usually a consolidation of some sort.

A federation is formed for some pecuniary benefit of their members. In the case of the U.S. under the Articles it was protection from England, France and Spain. There is strength in numbers and unless they joined they would each have been individually defeated.

A federation is not now nor ever been sovereign. That status belongs to the member countries. The U.S. as a federation was not sovereign. The present U.S. certainly views itself as sovereign as the 14th amendment forged a single nation where it could be said that 50 stood previously.

Here is the thing though. You don't operate a federation with the constitution of a nation and the same is true of a nation. No nation operates well with the rules set up for a federation. People want one nation? Then they have thrown out the constitution of the federation. They want a federation? Then they ignore the 13th and 14th and subsequent amendments.

[palani]

Wow........go get your brain checked.
Really? Is that the best you can do?

Go discuss this with your commie union brothers.

[mick silver]

no thanks ximmy I don't want them living off my land

[ximmy]

no thanks ximmy I don't want them living off my land

You own swamps and thickets?


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Let them fend for themselves in the swamps and thickets.

[7th trump]

Really? Is that the best you can do?

Go discuss this with your commie union brothers.

1. When will you stop the insanity with your opinion that the 14th amendment is another constitution?

2. So you also think the southern states didnt need to pay their fare share and that was the result of the Civil War huh?

3. Then theres your quacky conspiracy that the Articles are still in effect but only on the east side the Mississippi.

Hehehehe........the rest of your bullshit is pure horse biscuits....actually all of it pure made up opinion horse shit!

[palani]

1. When will you stop the insanity with your opinion that the 14th amendment is another constitution?

2. So you also think the southern states didnt need to pay their fare share and that was the result of the Civil War huh?

3. Then theres your quacky conspiracy that the Articles are still in effect but only on the east side the Mississippi.

Hehehehe........the rest of your bullshit is pure horse biscuits....actually all of it pure made up opinion horse shit!
You still got nothing but opinion and ad hominem. When are you going to come up with anything substantive? Or maybe there is nothing you can come up with because, like, you are missing too many brain cells?

[palani]

"the 14th amendment is another constitution?"

Refer to the U.S. Constitution (annotated). Look at the court cases decided on the Bill of Rights. Very few of the original Bill of Rights apply to U.S. citizens under the 14th amendment. This class of legal fiction even lacked basic civil rights until the 1963 Civil Rights Act was passed.

The landmark federal case Hendrick vs State of Maryland from 1915 involving the so-called privilege of driving was decided for a U.S. citizen (14th amendment freed slave) living in the District of Columbia. These circumstances alone tell you that status was the issue in this case and the outcome was meant to apply to ALL U.S. citizens living EVERYWHERE!!!