‘Robot’ activists in Switzerland demand guaranteed income for all humans

[singular_me]

if looking at the half full/empty glass theory, guaranteed income or a money free society share the same core issue: can people remain productive in either cases? The downside of the guaranteed income though is that that control can be pushed further as it make people depending of getting the gov electronic paychecks and whatever austerity measures. What cannot happen when allowing people to follow their passions. Loving what one is doing is the most powerful currency.
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https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.05/original/57256990c36188b95d8b456e.jpg

‘A “robot rally” has taken place in Zurich, with more than 100 activists wearing cardboard costumes in the streets as part of a major call for the introduction of Unconditional Basic Income (UBI) in Switzerland.

The Swiss are set to go to the polls on June 5 in a referendum on a guaranteed income for everyone. The sum proposed stands at 2,500 Swiss Francs ($2,500). The Swiss people will be voting on a new article in the country’s constitution which stipulates that the federal government would have to implement the UBI with an “amount high enough for people to live off in dignity.”’
https://www.rt.com/news/341511-robots-guaranteed-income-humans/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwtNUn2q7So

[Twisted Titan]

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

[Twisted Titan]

If a man doesn't work .....He should not eat.

[Shami-Amourae]

If a man doesn't work .....He should not eat.
What happens when a man can't work, since a robot will do it for free?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SuGRgdJA_c

[Horn]

The swiss franc will disolve into the Euro if passed, buying it (the euro) some temporary walking legs. Greece should be envious of their position.

[madfranks]

What happens when a man can't work, since a robot will do it for free?
Mankind's ability to innovate is limitless; there will always be something to do to earn a living.

[Twisted Titan]

What happens when a man can't work, since a robot will do it for free?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SuGRgdJA_c


Will the robot buy it at full market price and use it with his electronic family too?

[Shami-Amourae]

Mankind's ability to innovate is limitless; there will always be something to do to earn a living.


I don't think so.

There has never been such a high percentage of people not working as there has been now. This will only increase with technology until work is viewed as something people want to do just because it gives them purpose, rather than for survival.

[Shami-Amourae]

Will the robot buy it at full market price and use it with his electronic family too?

The economy will be restructured where companies will most likely pay an automation tax, or the money simply will be printed and given to everyone (minimum income.)

[monty]

I don't think so.

There has never been such a high percentage of people not working as there has been now. This will only increase with technology until work is viewed as something people want to do just because it gives them purpose, rather than for survival.

All our industries have been off shored. We import much of our produce and meat from South America. This accounts for much of the high unemployment If we fix these problems we will have less unemployment.

[Shami-Amourae]

All our industries have been off shored. We import much of our produce and meat from South America. This accounts for much of the high unemployment If we fix these problems we will have less unemployment.

Many of the jobs will come back to America, the only problem is it will be done by machines.

Places like China are going to collapse without the need of them for slave wages when robots can do everything they can for much cheaper here in America.

[madfranks]

I don't think so.

There has never been such a high percentage of people not working as there has been now. This will only increase with technology until work is viewed as something people want to do just because it gives them purpose, rather than for survival.Minimum wage keeps people from working, and government interference in the economy keeps prices high. Imagine a world minus the inflation of the last century, how cheap it would be to sustain a comfortable living.


The economy will be restructured where companies will most likely pay an automation tax, or the money simply will be printed and given to everyone (minimum income.)If the government didn't meddle in other people's business, this wouldn't be the case. Instead of "automation taxes" and welfare for all, what would happen as automation increases production, is that prices would go down. Eventually prices for basic necessities would be so low that people could comfortably live working 20 hours a week. So instead of one person working 40 hours a week and paying automation taxes to support the other unemployed person's welfare, they'd both work 20 hours and have the same standard of living due to lower prices. Eventually then people will be able to live comfortably working 10 hours a week, then 5, and so on. In a world where automation has increased productivity to such a high degree, many people won't even have to work, living comfortably on charity, where people who work will be considered rich.

Only in the world of government interference and control will we have massive taxes and ballooning welfare. Of course, this is the way government wants it, because it keeps them in control. I'm just saying that it would be way better for mankind if government got out of the way and let progress happen unmolested.

[Shami-Amourae]

If the government didn't meddle in other people's business, this wouldn't be the case.

The government will not go anywhere though because automation creates an environment where not many people are needed to work, while a few number of people are super productive compared to others (they own robots and machines that do more work.)

This disconnect will make it so there's always a government since the growing majority of unemployable people will continue to grow, and organize to take the wealth of the productive ones.

I'm not telling you how I think things should be, but rather how they actually are, and will be.

[Shami-Amourae]

Eventually prices for basic necessities would be so low that people could comfortably live working 20 hours a week. So instead of one person working 40 hours a week and paying automation taxes to support the other unemployed person's welfare, they'd both work 20 hours and have the same standard of living due to lower prices.

I don't think you understand the paradigm shift I'm talking about. As these machines come online it's unproductive to employ people at ANY wage. The robots operate literally on pennies an hour (initial costs, maintenance, and electricity.) They don't require healthcare, pensions, no sick days, and they work non-stop, 24-7. No job is safe too. There won't be need for many people to work at all. Please watch the documentary I showed in previous post to learn what I mean if you haven't seen it.

Low wage workers in China for instance increasingly are not needed and places like China that have built up their economies on cheap labor will have a implosion worse than anything we've ever seen in recorded history.

[Serpo]

Hang on a minute , these are not robots , they look like people inside cardboard boxes......................:D

[Horn]

Mechanized production does not have the all encompassing aspect you dream of Shami.

Its much the same as the notion that paper would vanish due to computers, when in fact usage doubled.

Machines are constantly updated re-engineered resold, recycled and maintained by fleets of humans.

They just do the things that we would rather not do.

[mamboni]

This is bullish for grommets.

[singular_me]

will illegals go back to where there came from? well NOT especially and this going to fuel the madness further

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Robotics to take over agricultural harvesting... So what happens to all the illegal immigrants who currently do the work?

Monday, May 02, 2016 by: J. D. Heyes

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/053866_agriculture_robots_food_security_job_losses .html#ixzz47Y8bi39J

[Shami-Amourae]

will illegals go back to where there came from? well NOT especially and this going to fuel the madness further

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Robotics to take over agricultural harvesting... So what happens to all the illegal immigrants who currently do the work?

Monday, May 02, 2016 by: J. D. Heyes

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/053866_agriculture_robots_food_security_job_losses .html#ixzz47Y8bi39J

They'll riot and demand Whitey give them more. Whitey, cucked as he is will do it, since Whitey has no backbone, and champions his own genocide.

http://s32.postimg.org/ksqo018et/1439487211502.jpg

[madfranks]

The government will not go anywhere though because automation creates an environment where not many people are needed to work, while a few number of people are super productive compared to others (they own robots and machines that do more work.)

This disconnect will make it so there's always a government since the growing majority of unemployable people will continue to grow, and organize to take the wealth of the productive ones.

I'm not telling you how I think things should be, but rather how they actually are, and will be.

I think that's true, you're stating what will likely be the case, but I was making the point that it didn't have to be this way.

[Jewboo]

...the growing majority of unemployable people will continue to grow, and organize to take the wealth of the productive ones.



What Ceasefire? Assad and Russia Are Gearing Up to Seize Syria's Second-Largest City

April 29, 2016

More than 100 people have reportedly been killed over the past week in Aleppo, Syria's second-largest city, and it appears that forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad plan to soon mount an offensive there, a move that would shatter what's left of the country's crumbling ceasefire.


"Wherever you are, you hear explosions of mortars, shelling and planes flying over," said Valter Gros, the head of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Aleppo, in a statement on Thursday. "There is no neighborhood of the city that hasn't been hit. People are living on the edge. Everyone here fears for their lives and nobody knows what is coming next."


The ICRC said the city is on the "brink of humanitarian disaster," and warned that "escalating violence is putting millions, many of whom are displaced and living close to frontlines, at grave risk and without a chance of getting much-needed aid."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQjw2BVRVg8

At some point Detroit and and all the other whiny welfare black holes will be carpet-bombed to exterminate the millions of unemployable Gibmedats. China will do the same with their millions of soon-to-be unemployable troublemakers. There are already now millions of economic "refugees" in UN tent cities. Millions.

Nobody is going to continue feeding these millions and millions of unemployable people when the FED stops printing worthless dollars. World wars are a proven way of making the unemployable disappear.

Watch the short video above to see what Detroit will soon look like.

:D "guaranteed income for all humans" Ha Ha

[Shami-Amourae]

:D "guaranteed income for all humans" Ha Ha



We don't know what will happen obviously. I think it is a realistic possibility if automation can speed up fast enough to save the economies/civilization.

If it collapses, well, there will be a large population die off, and you better be prepped, and out of the cities.

In other words:

Potential Outcome #1: Robotic future with dumbed down mongrel population of dumbed down humans. Basically the film Idiocracy where everyone is half-Nigger. If you notice in that movie automated robots do most of the work.
Potential Outcome #2: Collapse, race war, and huge reduction of civilization and technology.


I'm prepping for either scenario.
http://s32.postimg.org/mxg6f9hec/1446420544359.jpg

[mamboni]

http://i.imgur.com/8wbPxH6.png

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUdY46z5PUw

[singular_me]

I feel like being at the right place at the right moment to defend the blueprint for a money-free society...as much as capitalist molyneux claims himself to be, he will soon embrace the swiss collectivist experience.

minimal income will still be subjected to the ELITES, and whatever plan they have in the store for us.

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molyneux: Imagine A World Without Money? Everything Free? Will a Resource Based Economy Work? No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxc4Ruw1tp0

[Horn]

I feel like being at the right place at the right moment to defend the blueprint for a money-free society...as much as capitalist molyneux claims himself to be, he will soon embrace the swiss collectivist experience.

You and Shami are equal on quantity of baseless assumptions, this much I know.

His is where there is some sort of fanatical love of Nationalism waiting for us in the wings, while everyone rushes to trample and destroy its foundation.

And the both of you have these notions that robots somehow have a chance at replacing their creators.

As if we could replace God.

[madfranks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUdY46z5PUwIf this happens just watch the floodgates of immigrants rush in to become citizens and claim their free income for life.

[Shami-Amourae]

If this happens just watch the floodgates of immigrants rush in to become citizens and claim their free income for life.

There's protections built into the law for that, but it probably won't last.

http://s32.postimg.org/8q8hp905h/Bernie_Sanders_political_cartoon1.jpg

[Shami-Amourae]

I want to point out again since I post information about Minimum Income doesn't mean I'm fully behind the idea. My position is it's inevitable if automation is to continue forward. If there's a collapse, which is likely, it won't happen.

We are at a crossroads for civilization, where things will fundamentally change, and no one knows the outcome.

[Shami-Amourae]

I feel like being at the right place at the right moment to defend the blueprint for a money-free society...as much as capitalist molyneux claims himself to be, he will soon embrace the swiss collectivist experience.

minimal income will still be subjected to the ELITES, and whatever plan they have in the store for us.

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molyneux: Imagine A World Without Money? Everything Free? Will a Resource Based Economy Work? No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxc4Ruw1tp0

Great video.

Stefan is right though about what he's saying. The guy he was debating had no logical answers and was operating fully on emotion.

This minimum income stuff will be like my Mouse Experiment post. It will be a full blown ineptocracy and end of humanity/civilization.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?80655-Mouse-Experiment-Helps-Reveal-Decline-of-Humanity

It seems like civilization/humanity is fucked no matter what almost.

[monty]

https://www.sovereignman.com/podcast/why-is-this-country-so-poor-19081/ (Nicaragua)

Will Switzerland become a "Banana Republic" with the socialism of a guaranteed minimum income?


One of the things I’ve learned in my travels over the years is that wealthy nations do have some common characteristics.

The first set is cultural. Wealthy nations have a culture that values hard work. Knowledge. Productivity. Innovation. Risk-taking. Saving. Self-reliance.


I’m not trying to say that people in poor countries don’t work hard. Far from it.
The point is that if working hard and saving money are strong CULTURAL values (which tends to be the case in Asia), a country is going to do better.


Second, wealthy nations have much better institutions. The rule of law is strong. Private property rights are strong. Corruption is limited. Regulation is sensible. Taxation is reasonable and efficient.
It’s simple; no one wants to do business in a corrupt dictatorship.


Bad institutions drive away foreign investors. And as capital is one of the critical components of economic growth, choking off external investment suffocates an economy.


Last (and most importantly), wealthy nations have an “inclusive” economy.


This means that people aren’t medieval serfs toiling away for the establishment. If someone develops skills, works hard, and takes risks, they’ve got a good chance of moving up the socioeconomic food chain.


Economists call this “income mobility”. In the United States it’s known as the “American Dream”.

[singular_me]

Horn, although we surely agree on many things, we differ on that one. The money-free society is a template based on the zero-sum game of Nature, herself.


You and Shami are equal on quantity of baseless assumptions, this much I know.

His is where there is some sort of fanatical love of Nationalism waiting for us in the wings, while everyone rushes to trample and destroy its foundation.

And the both of you have these notions that robots somehow have a chance at replacing their creators.

As if we could replace God.

[Horn]

Horn, although we surely agree on many things, we differ on that one. The money-free society is a template based on the zero-sum game of Nature, herself.

That which freed you has become master to you the slave.

Nature is a seasonally profitable whore, you've just been winterized... :)*#*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbgKEjNBHqM

[singular_me]

dont forget that man was given the dominion over nature. when he decides to behave like an animal, nature commands him.

The human nature, which exactly?

[Horn]

8215

[singular_me]

it is coming... main argument: it will stimulate the economy... but the truth is that "they" will decide how much you can spend daily to breath.


http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/1984-John-Hurt.jpg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okx60F3eHpo

[singular_me]

BOLD:thats good news actually... money is not an incentive to work but have a roof and food, access to education and healthcare... which is why a money free society has a chance to make it. Those 4% would still doing things they are passionate about as an occupation.


‘Basic income’ poll: 64% of Europeans would vote in favor, 4% would stop working
24 May 2016 GMT
https://www.rt.com/news/344079-basic-income-europe-poll/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

[Horn]

[QUOTE=singular_me;833829]it is coming... main argument: it will stimulate the economy... but the truth is that "they" will decide how much you can spend daily to breath.

there will complete a point that the supply chain snaps, if done. no amount of paper will be able to fill the holes.

Why? because keynsian bankers like u and shami do not understand intrinsic economy.

[singular_me]

it is not about intrinsic money, Horn... but supply and demand. Who is going to work in stores like gap and home depot for example when 3D printing will allow people to create they own clothing at home, or even their own furniture?

What are we going to do with the gap factory workers? Then we'll have an entire industry that is going to rush into robotics... nope, it does not bode well.




singular_me: it is coming... main argument: it will stimulate the economy... but the truth is that "they" will decide how much you can spend daily to breath.

there will complete a point that the supply chain snaps, if done. no amount of paper will be able to fill the holes.

Why? because keynsian bankers like u and shami do not understand intrinsic economy.

[Horn]

lol, better yet they receive led projections for clothes like the EE_ video...

alls that will mean is there are more persons in the LED clothing projection business.

what you're suggesting is that any transition wont be met with a general breakdown in supply lines. those major clothiers will guarantee it.

or their missing gdp. there is no future like the present.

[Glass]

Seems pragmatism wins again in Switzerland


"Marxist Dream" Crushed - In Landslide Vote, Swiss Reject Proposal To Hand Out Free Money To Everyone
This weekend the Swiss population was called upon to make a historic decision, when Switzerland became the first country worldwide to put the idea of free money for everyone, technically known as Unconditional Basic Income, to a vote. As reported previously (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-24/switzerland-prepares-vote-free-lunch-everyone), the outcome of this referendum would set a strong precedent and establish a landmark in the evolution of the debate of handing out free money in a centrally-planned world. And as predicted, based on early vote projections it has been a landslide decision against the "free lunch."

Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-05/landslide-vote-swiss-reject-proposal-hand-out-free-money-everyone)

[singular_me]

Marxism temporarily put on hold but darwinian capitalism moves on

money free society countdown has started
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Coming soon: New 'useless class' of humans being created, as artificially intelligent machines take over everything from truck driving to fast food jobs
6 June 2016 GMT
http://www.naturalnews.com/054264_useless_class_human_relevance_robots.html

[Horn]

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/sites/default/files/Pictures/web/t/w/v/no_future_framed_pictur_450.jpg

Documentary showing how Safaricom's M-PESA Mobile Money Transfer service is changing lives in Kenya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQo4VoLyHe0

Cellphone providers are the new CB currency, no personal micro-satalittes are permitted.

[singular_me]

interesting to see how serendipity might help shape the money free society... people are fed up with their thread mill slave jobs
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One in ten people say choosing the wrong career is their biggest regret
36 per cent of employees say they loath their job, according to the poll
But only 14 per cent admit they are actively looking for a new job


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Marxism temporarily put on hold but darwinian capitalism moves on

money free society countdown has started
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Coming soon: New 'useless class' of humans being created, as artificially intelligent machines take over everything from truck driving to fast food jobs
6 June 2016 GMT
http://www.naturalnews.com/054264_useless_class_human_relevance_robots.html

[singular_me]

the article seems to say that in a near future, the situation is manageable... but that is how they get the masses: for now we can muddle through (linear thinking)

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Has the Workplace Robot Uprising Already Begun?
................ As technology continues to expand and robots are picking up more creative tasks (interactive fiction, anyone?) it’s fair to wonder if the robot uprising has already begun. According to a partial report on robotics in the workplace by global management consulting firm McKinsey & Company, it’s not as simple as one day you’re employed and the next day, your boss rolls in a machine to sit at your desk. It also depends on predictability of tasks, how data is collected, and how employees are managed. If there are more one-on-one interactions in the workplace and more need for specific expertise, there is less chance of automation.

McKinsey’s report—which will be out in full in 2017—looked at over 800 occupations and analyzed at least 2,000 tasks. In occupations most related to predictable tasks and data collection, robotic replacements were most likely. In general, the areas with the greatest potential were food service, retail, and manufacturing. While some areas aren’t ripe for automation, McKinsey doesn’t count them out as candidates for eventually becoming automated...................

The world will keep changing. We can either accept that change or fight against it. Yes, there will be jobs lost along the way as businesses tighten up staff in the wake of machines, but there will always be room for human beings to work. If anything, in some industries, automating certain tasks may free up the revenue to hire people in other departments, such as marketing and administration.

“There will certainly be winners and losers,” Ryan Calo, a professor of law at the University of Washington who focuses on robotics and public policy, told the Washington Post in 2013. “We’re talking about robots now because they are so versatile and affordable, and that will have profound effects on manufacturing, the entire supply chain and jobs.”

Once robots start taking over the creative professions though, and start gaining self-awareness, we might have a problem.

more/LONG
http://gizmodo.com/has-the-workplace-robot-uprising-already-begun-1783782110