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cheka.
9th May 2016, 09:16 PM
http://thesouthern.com/news/local/siu-braces-for-enrollment-drop-in-the-fall-points-fingers/article_fb88cebe-cee4-5bc3-9c92-9486aa19a4c8.html
CARBONDALE — Southern Illinois University officials are bracing for another enrollment drop in the fall — and they’re pointing fingers at Springfield.
“We’re not there yet to give you specific data,” said SIU Carbondale Chancellor Brad Colwell. “But we will be down if projections hold. It’s not because of a lack of anything the Carbondale campus has done.”
Instead, Colwell said students and parents are telling school administrators they are “worried about what’s happening in Illinois.”
“Our data is showing they’re not going to another Illinois institution. They’re leaving the state,” Colwell said, speaking to reporters after SIU’s Board of Trustees meeting on Thursday morning.
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http://www.emissourian.com/opinion/columns/drop-in-enrollment-at-mizzou/article_3b6f97b0-13ad-11e6-9c7c-ff5f99ad4540.html
The freshman class at Mizzou is expected to be the smallest since 2006, according to newspaper reports. The Columbia Daily Tribune reported that as of last week, 4,738 students had paid a deposit of $300 to enroll.
The decrease is 22.3 percent from the 6,191 freshmen who are enrolled this year.
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/more-misery-at-mizzou-as-enrollment-plummets/
Fresh figures show graduate enrollment down 1,140
Plunge compared to ‘Tulane after Hurricane Katrina’
New data shows that existing students are also bailing
Budget down $32.5 m
Two residence halls closed, library hours and staff reduced
315 students have no lodging
50 cleaning and maintenance jobs gone
Tenured faculty have to take out own trash; cleaners face unemployment
Some wonder if Mizzou will survive
After raucous protests last fall, the University of Missouri has “a dark cloud hanging over the institution—we can’t sugarcoat that,” vice chancellor of operations Gary Ward told faculty this week.
More: Can Mizzou Survive? Read the Total Damage
The university’s grave outlook became clearer Monday, as the data rolled in on freshman enrollment for the Fall 2016 semester, showing steep declines.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/mizzou-s-enrollment-plummet-is-more-drastic-than-previously-projected/article_b938838c-6858-5bdf-b220-f1bfd29a21d2.html
The university on Wednesday announced the amount of students paying freshman tuition deposits — a key indicator of coming enrollment — has decreased by 1,470 compared to last year.
It’s nearly 600 fewer students than what was projected in February, when the university was estimating 900 fewer incoming freshmen.
What it means is that Mizzou could have a freshman class of fewer than 5,000 students for the first time since 2007.
In contrast, the university enrolled 7,600 freshmen last fall. That number includes second-year students who did not complete enough credits to qualify as sophomores.
University administrators note that they’ve been expecting a drop-off for some time, as there are fewer high school students in the pipeline.
But last’s fall’s protests have also played a part.
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http://www.standard.net/News/2016/05/03/Weber-State-sees-drop-in-enrollment-officials-speculate-the-cause
OGDEN — Weber State University's enrollment is down, and administrators aren't sure why.
Summer semester starts May 9, and student enrollment is currently down 4 to 5 percent from last year, according to Norm Tarbox, the school's vice-president for administrative services.
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http://www.plasticstoday.com/injection-molding/could-decline-college-enrollment-signal-trade-school-resurgence/92305372624465
college enrollment has fallen for three consecutive years after climbing for many decades.
Additionally, “more people are questioning the benefits of college,” said Bloomberg
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http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/enrollment-down-for-most-colleges-across-montana/39157846
Enrollment down for most colleges across Montana
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http://www.ohio.com/news/local/scarborough-says-he-has-learned-from-mistakes-but-blames-communication-as-the-key-mistake-1.681846
“The two are usually tied together because at a university like Akron, so much of the revenue comes from enrollment,” he said. “The enrollment reached 30,000 in 2010 and it’s down to 25,000 today and that has created a real financial challenge. Part of the challenge is that the numbers are not going to turn around unless the university does something different. That’s why we thought we had to be aggressive in moving forward with new plans to stabilize finances and simultaneously initiate new initiatives … new initiatives require money.”
Since Scarborough took office in July 2014, he’s tried to tackle those problems with several controversial actions, including $40 million in budget cuts that eliminated more than 200 positions, changes at the UA Press and E.J. Thomas Performing Arts Hall, the elimination of the baseball program and the rebranding of the school as “Ohio’s Polytechnic University.”
The decisions stirred a backlash from inside and outside the university, prompting protests, no-confidence votes from faculty members and students and the formation of the group Advocates for the University of Akron, which includes students, faculty, alumni and community members. The group purchased full-page ads in local newspapers questioning Scarborough’s cutbacks and policies and declining enrollment.
Joshua01
9th May 2016, 09:24 PM
College is a scam, more and more people are realizing it. It gets you nothing compared to what a degree used to get you and it put people in hopeless debt. It's no longer a recipe for success thanks to the progressives using college for mind molding instead of education
Hitch
9th May 2016, 11:05 PM
College is a scam, more and more people are realizing it. It gets you nothing compared to what a degree used to get you and it put people in hopeless debt. It's no longer a recipe for success thanks to the progressives using college for mind molding instead of education
Getting a college degree has opened up a lot of doors for me, over the years. But, I ended up after many career changes working blue collar skilled labor. No, my degree does not help me now, but I'm happy, work outside mostly being productive, and I enjoy my job. However back then times were different, I paid for my degree pumping gas and delivering pizzas. When I graduated, I had no debt, in a booming job market as well.
These days, it is a scam. Our young folks are graduating into a piss poor job environment, with mountains of debt. They are slaves when they graduate, instead of being free like I was. It's a shame.
cheka.
16th May 2016, 02:43 PM
http://time.com/money/4329962/college-tuition-discount-financial-aid/
Private Colleges Offer Record-High Tuition Discounts
But if the 48.6% figure holds, not only is it the highest in history, but it’s also a comparatively large increase of 1.5 percentage points from the previous year. The largest one-year increase was 2.3 percentage points between the 2010-11 and 2011-12 academic years.
The problem for colleges is that even with their increased discounts, enrollment fell at more than half the schools in the survey. And if enrollment falls while discounts increase, that means less net revenue. The average net revenue for 2015-16 is projected to be up just 1.2%, below the rate of inflation determined by the Higher Education Price Index, the NACUBO report says.
Ponce
16th May 2016, 03:11 PM
College only gives you an empty shell that in your lifetime you have to fill with your knowledge... they only teach you what they know and not what you should know........ they tell you what to do but not how to do it. Without a college education (or high school) I learned what I know by observing and learning......and that's what I say "I'll never stop learning because I'll never stop reading" and even then I haven't learned anything unless I can come up with my own thinking and not by what they tell me.
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singular_me
16th May 2016, 03:20 PM
cant wait to see colleges to go bankrupt - all of them
Shami-Amourae
16th May 2016, 03:57 PM
cant wait to see colleges to go bankrupt - all of them
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cheka.
16th May 2016, 11:02 PM
mizzou buckles to white flight caused by last year's university supported chimpout
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/turmoil_at_mu/university-of-missouri-expected-to-no-longer-allow-protest-camps/article_76a16e09-1d5d-5c67-80a7-6b6ca6398c19.html
Monday, May 16, 2016 at 2:00 pm Comments (9)
Large-scale protests at the University of Missouri probably will not happen in the future quite like they did last fall.
An ad hoc committee is expected soon to publish its recommendations to administrators related to protests and free speech, including a recommendation that officials enforce two policies that went unused during November’s protests. In March, the university said it no longer will allow protests that disrupt campus operations, and last week, MU police Chief Doug Schwandt told radio station KFRU that a policy that bans overnight sleeping on campus outside of dorms or other designated areas also will be enforced.
Both decisions were in response to protests Concerned Student 1950 conducted in November against a perceived lack of action by university leaders in response to racism on campus. Many group members camped out for about a week on Carnahan Quadrangle and several times have staged protests in campus buildings, including at a Board of Curators meeting, to bring attention to their cause.
The group’s efforts led to the resignation of former UM System President Tim Wolfe. MU Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin resigned the same day amid reports of infighting and faculty dissatisfaction. Schwandt said it was campus administrators who made the decision to allow the group to camp on the quad, but he does not know specifics about how the decision was made.
“I don’t think that would happen again,” Schwandt said in an interview with the Tribune. “I think there’s lessons learned from that. I doubt there’d be approval to allow overnight camping again on campus.”
Christian Basi, an MU spokesman, and Loftin, who was chancellor when protesters set up the encampment on the quad, were not available for comment Monday morning. Several members of Concerned Student 1950 either declined to comment or did not respond to messages or return calls from the Tribune.
Police usually do not get involved in policy issues, Schwandt said, but officers might arrest or ticket those who do not listen to commands to cease disruptive protests or to not camp overnight. Schwandt said such actions could lead to prosecution for disturbing the peace or trespassing.
Schwandt is the police department’s representative on MU’s Ad Hoc Joint Committee on Protests, Public Spaces, Free Speech, and the Press. Interim Chancellor Hank Foley and the MU Faculty Council created the committee early this year to examine how MU should respond to conflicts and protests and how it should regulate public spaces while protecting First Amendment rights.
Committee Chairman Robert Jerry said the recommendations will be a combination of policies that already were in place, including the prohibitions against camping and disruption, and new regulations, such as processes for how to reserve an outdoor space for events. One of the main advantages, Jerry said, is that all the regulations and policies will be in one place for people to review.
The committee’s report will be sent to Foley and Faculty Council Chairman Ben Trachtenberg. Jerry said the policies will not prevent spontaneous protests as long as they are not being done in a space that is already reserved. Jerry, a law professor, said there will be some areas where expressive events will be prohibited, but the rule will not include campus quads.
The recommendations will restrict expression only in certain circumstances, such as when safety is a concern, Jerry said. Restricting expressive events such as protests will be done in accordance with the First Amendment and case law, he said. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled restrictions must be narrowly defined in time, place and manner and be content neutral. He said the recommendations will protect free speech and allow for “robust free expression anywhere on campus.”
“We’re aware of the possibility that different interpretations can be put on these proposals, but the reality is we’re being absolutely rigid in that our recommendations will be content neutral,” Jerry said.
cheka.
16th May 2016, 11:07 PM
state legislature didn't like the black panther party either - cutting millions from their budget
univ response is to hire a lobbyist for 10k per month
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/turmoil_at_mu/lawmakers-relationship-remains-strained-as-university-of-missouri-school-year/article_7b88f1ff-3394-5cf1-a213-6f828a5c9393.html
The University of Missouri’s top leaders said last week that the worst has passed for the system’s fractured relationship with lawmakers, but members of the Boone County delegation said they have seen no evidence that is true.
A fall semester marked by administrative turmoil, graduate student unrest over employment issues and protests over racial issues led to a legislative session with numerous bills aimed at UM and efforts to cut state support in the budget. During the February meeting of the University of Missouri Board of Curators, interim President Mike Middleton made a grim report.
“I can tell you it is not pretty down there,” he said. “What I have gathered, in fact most of what I have heard, is blame.”
Lawmakers concluded their session Friday as the Columbia campus began commencement ceremonies to award more than 6,000 degrees. In an interview Wednesday, Middleton said he believes the university has regained most of its reputation with lawmakers.
“I think we were able to convince them that we were handling the situation, we were moving forward with some positive approaches to issues and solving those issues and they came to their senses, as normally happens,” Middleton said.
Proposals for annual audits by the state auditor, an independent board to oversee teaching waivers and mandated professional diversity on governing boards, among others, went little further than committee hearings. Large cuts to the UM budget proposed in the House were tempered in the Senate, and the UM System ended the session with a net budget increase.
But the university didn’t emerge completely unchastised. The UM System administration took a $3.8 million cut in its allocation of state support, and over the next seven months, an eight-member University of Missouri Review Commission, yet to be named, will be able to look deep into university business and has a $750,000 budget to do it with.
To help repair the relationship, the curators hired Andy Blunt, son of U.S. Sen. Roy Blunt, for $10,000 a month to bolster lobbying. Curators Chairwoman Pamela Henrickson said the board will have to review whether the money was well spent.
“That is something we should probably war game after it is over and consider,” she said. “I don’t have an opinion at this point.”
The six members of the Boone County delegation are the most sympathetic to the university, but none of them said the relationship had healed.
“I don’t think that any of the stakeholders in the university have any more faith or trust in the administration now than they did several months ago,” state Rep. Stephen Webber, D-Columbia, said. “That would include legislators, students and MU employees.”
State Rep. Chuck Basye, R-Rocheport, said the relationship is better but not fixed.
“There is still a lot of stuff they need to do yet,” Basye said. “I think it will work out in the long run.”
The system administration will absorb the $3.8 million cut without resorting to taking money from the four campuses, Middleton and Henrickson said Wednesday.
“We are working on that right now, and the plan is to absorb all of that at the system level,” Middleton said. “The campuses have suffered enough.”
The relatively benign outcome doesn’t mean the university has repaired fractured relationships, state Rep. Caleb Jones, R-Columbia, said. Jones passed legislation repealing MU Health Care’s exemption from review for new construction and a measure to require spouses of full-time employees at higher education institutions to report institution-paid out-of-state travel costs to the Missouri Ethics Commission.
At times, he said, university leaders seem to invite legislative wrath.
“I think it is disheartening, disingenuous and shocking that the chancellor would say that politicians are using Mizzou as a political football,” Jones said.
During a budget forum Wednesday, interim Chancellor Hank Foley said some lawmakers were more willing to compromise than others on the university’s funding.
“We’re a wonderful political football for them, and they love to use it,” Foley said.
That comment “causes great concern for the legislature with the leadership at Mizzou” about whether “they are actually doing what is right for the students,” Jones said. “More importantly, the relationships down here are non-existent.”
State Rep. Caleb Rowden, R-Columbia, said he has a more optimistic view but that it is up to the university to figure out how to make things better.
“A lot of that is internal, it has nothing to do with us,” Rowden said. “I just hope we can partner with them in whatever capacity necessary to make sure we do get back to normal at some point.”
The review commission might have defused some of the support for specific proposals to direct university management. Sponsored by Sen. Kurt Schaefer, R-Columbia, the commission will have four members named by Senate President Pro Tem Ron Richard, R-Joplin, and four named by House Speaker Todd Richardson, R-Poplar Bluff.
The resolution establishing the commission puts the university on notice that its state support could be on the line if the recommendations are not adopted. It is evidence of legislative wariness that the university might be trying to wait for anger to subside rather than make needed changes, Schaefer said.
“I don’t think that’s going away, and before the legislature makes long-term decisions that affect the fiscal and otherwise just the existence of the university and its well-being, we need to have objective information,” Schaefer said.
The curators support the commission because it can look at major issues while the board is busy with a presidential search and other business, Henrickson said. She hopes the commission’s work will produce recommendations that can improve the university system.
State Rep. Kip Kendrick, D-Columbia, and Webber voted against the commission.
“My biggest concern is that it turns into a witch hunt that continues dragging the University of Missouri through the mud in” the Capitol, Kendrick said.
That would reignite anger that remains below the surface, he said.
“I think there are still a lot of people in this building who are angry about what happened at the university, and I don’t think it has changed,” Kendrick said.
ShortJohnSilver
17th May 2016, 10:33 AM
We had a good money system (gold or gold and silver): Jewish usury destroyed it after gaining control of the money supply.
We had a decent level of morality in USA: Jewish spread degeneracy aided by their control of all media channels (music, Hollywood, newspapers, TV) steadily eroded it.
We had a decent college system: Jewish envy and hatred of Whites led to them seeking to control and lead it. And now the knowledge is destroyed and colleges are centers of indoctrination rather than education.
Not that there is a pattern or anything ...
PatColo
18th May 2016, 08:16 AM
That Hamamoto prof i posted a thread on is all about the college scam; anti cult marxism, education debt bubble next to collapse.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?77328-UC-Davis-prof-teaching-students-about-weaponized-PC-NWO
Hitch
18th May 2016, 08:31 AM
Mick silver posted an article, can't find it, but had a simple solution to the college debt problem.
Abolish student loans. The price of college would drop down to where students who could afford it could go. There would be less bloating, wasted money at these colleges, and you'd get better teachers, more competent hardworking ones who care about results, instead of living fat, lazy, and happy getting paid for little work. As I stated earlier, paid for college pumping gas and delivering pizzas. I paid around $600 a quarter. Now, that same college is $5000 a quarter, can't pay for that pumping gas!
Jerrylynnb
18th May 2016, 11:56 AM
I got my first paying job at age 14 sacking groceries in 1956.
I saved and, four years later, when I went off to a military school at Texas A&M (all male at that time). I had saved $350, which is just about the total cost of the first semester.
We lived in non-air conditioned dorms, ate in a mess hall, and had our laundry done in bulk. I had NO CAR and I didn't need one. We studied, studied, and more studied. Study was what it was all about. If we didn't study, we got hazed harshly and told that "highway 6 runs both ways" (that is the state highway that runs through the town).
At the end of my first semester, I earned a $200 scholarship for each of the subsequent semesters. My folks came up with the difference, and, I worked during the summers to help make up the difference.
I graduated without debt, and, I'd like to think I was better off and had actually learned a thing or two scholastically which helped me throughout my career. I got several job offers and joined a major international company that made big iron mainframe computers, from which I retired 30 years later.
College ain't what it used to be.
America used to great, but it ain't no more. Can it be great again? We can dream - and we got a cheerleader pumping us up with that dream - kind of romantic, huh? I guess I'm willing to bite because the dream is so grand. I lament that my grandchildren don't have the magnificent opportunities that I had at their age.
I'm like Ponce, old (74), and probably not going to be here for much longer, but, I am hoping to live long enough to see if we can truly revitalize our nation and be great again - it is in our blood if we can just pull it together.
Dogman
18th May 2016, 12:47 PM
I got my first paying job at age 14 sacking groceries in 1956.
I saved and, four years later, when I went off to a military school at Texas A&M (all male at that time). I had saved $350, which is just about the total cost of the first semester.
We lived in non-air conditioned dorms, ate in a mess hall, and had our laundry done in bulk. I had NO CAR and I didn't need one. We studied, studied, and more studied. Study was what it was all about. If we didn't study, we got hazed harshly and told that "highway 6 runs both ways" (that is the state highway that runs through the town).
At the end of my first semester, I earned a $200 scholarship for each of the subsequent semesters. My folks came up with the difference, and, I worked during the summers to help make up the difference.
I graduated without debt, and, I'd like to think I was better off and had actually learned a thing or two scholastically which helped me throughout my career. I got several job offers and joined a major international company that made big iron mainframe computers, from which I retired 30 years later.
College ain't what it used to be.
America used to great, but it ain't no more. Can it be great again? We can dream - and we got a cheerleader pumping us up with that dream - kind of romantic, huh? I guess I'm willing to bite because the dream is so grand. I lament that my grandchildren don't have the magnificent opportunities that I had at their age.
I'm like Ponce, old (74), and probably not going to be here for much longer, but, I am hoping to live long enough to see if we can truly revitalize our nation and be great again - it is in our blood if we can just pull it together. Yep thangs today are a sorry shade of what was back when.. Much more simpler and better times compaired to now, in many many ways..!
Now for the rest !
Lmbo!
Dam aggiy ! 8239
Hookum horns! 8238
8240
madfranks
18th May 2016, 01:03 PM
http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1463/41/1463413760193.jpg
Says the black man wearing clothes manufactured in factories engineered by white people, in an air-conditioned room created for his comfort by white people, using computer and projector technology invented by white people, etc. And look at that shit eating grin on his face, he knows he's rubbing it in and the self-hating whites around him won't do anything about it.
madfranks
18th May 2016, 01:19 PM
I got my first paying job at age 14 sacking groceries in 1956.
I saved and, four years later, when I went off to a military school at Texas A&M (all male at that time). I had saved $350, which is just about the total cost of the first semester.
We lived in non-air conditioned dorms, ate in a mess hall, and had our laundry done in bulk. I had NO CAR and I didn't need one. We studied, studied, and more studied. Study was what it was all about. If we didn't study, we got hazed harshly and told that "highway 6 runs both ways" (that is the state highway that runs through the town).
At the end of my first semester, I earned a $200 scholarship for each of the subsequent semesters. My folks came up with the difference, and, I worked during the summers to help make up the difference.
I graduated without debt, and, I'd like to think I was better off and had actually learned a thing or two scholastically which helped me throughout my career. I got several job offers and joined a major international company that made big iron mainframe computers, from which I retired 30 years later.
College ain't what it used to be.
America used to great, but it ain't no more. Can it be great again? We can dream - and we got a cheerleader pumping us up with that dream - kind of romantic, huh? I guess I'm willing to bite because the dream is so grand. I lament that my grandchildren don't have the magnificent opportunities that I had at their age.
I'm like Ponce, old (74), and probably not going to be here for much longer, but, I am hoping to live long enough to see if we can truly revitalize our nation and be great again - it is in our blood if we can just pull it together.
Nowadays universities are more like 4-year resort vacations for the "students." Cafes/restaurants on site staffed with 4-star chefs preparing all types of food on demand 24/7; Olympic sized recreation areas and gymnasiums (swimming pools, tennis courts, football stadiums, etc), luxury quarters where each student essentially has their own full size apartment; concerts, events, comedy shows on campus, etc. All because the most important aspect of the college experience has been eliminated from the equation: COST.
Because the government guarantees student loans for anyone and everyone who wants to go to college no matter the cost, the schools basically have a blank check to work with. They can charge whatever they want, the students will borrow whatever they want to charge, and the government will loan the money. Instead of competing for poor and broke college students by offering the lowest cost school (which would be the case sans government guarantees), they compete by offering the most luxuries. So the schools have been on a decades-long binge of building bigger and better and more luxurious campuses because cost is not a factor. And the young people who have no interest in planning for the future see they are eligible for a 4 year vacation on government credit and take it.
Neuro
18th May 2016, 02:00 PM
Says the black man wearing clothes manufactured in factories engineered by white people, in an air-conditioned room created for his comfort by white people, using computer and projector technology invented by white people, etc. And look at that shit eating grin on his face, he knows he's rubbing it in and the self-hating whites around him won't do anything about it.
That is in South Africa. The nigger invader rules there now. Whites know they get on the death list if they object.
madfranks
18th May 2016, 02:21 PM
That is in South Africa. The nigger invader rules there now. Whites know they get on the death list if they object.
Doesn't matter, the technology was created by white people no matter where in the world it's being used now.
Hitch
18th May 2016, 04:39 PM
Yep thangs today are a sorry shade of what was back when.. Much more simpler and better times compaired to now, in many many ways..!
Now for the rest !
Lmbo!
Dam aggiy ! 8239
Hookum horns! 8238
8240
Both you guys have a lot more life experience than I do, but even I remember being young and free and having no debt. Had to work hard, that was expected, but if you did you could pay for things.
College is a 4 year resort (thanks madfranks) nowadays, easy work, lots of debt, and all by design to enslave young people.
mick silver
18th May 2016, 08:23 PM
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Neuro
18th May 2016, 09:42 PM
Doesn't matter, the technology was created by white people no matter where in the world it's being used now.
I know. I was commenting more on the fact that the whites in the audience were sitting there silently. They had a good system in SA, until their cousins from Europe decided to put the nigger in power. Anyone apart from the niggers in position in ANC was better off. Didn't matter if you were black or white, everyone was better off. Now you have niggers in academics who can stand in front of whites rubbing that nonsense in the face with a grin on their face. South Africa's March to third world status has been a very swift journey, and it will get worse!
Cultural Marxism, with the claim that everyone is equal is a plague on the world.
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