In "Profound Loss for Maine's Citizens," Court OKs Sale of Town's Water to Nestle

[mick silver]

In "Profound Loss for Maine's Citizens," Court OKs Sale of Town's Water to NestleSource: Common Dreams (http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/13/profound-loss-maines-citizens-court-oks-sale-towns-water-nestle)

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It was a win for corporate control of public water on Thursday for one Maine town.
The winner in the case is Nestlé Waters of North America, which operates locally as Poland Spring. Fryeburg, Maine property owner Bruce Taylor and advocacy group Food & Water Watch had challenged the decision by the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) that afforded the company the right to bottle and sell off water from the aquifer.
The Portland, Maine Press Herald reports (http://www.pressherald.com/2016/05/12/court-sides-with-poland-spring-fryeburg-in-water-access-case/):

The contract gives Poland Spring – a subsidiary of Nestle Waters – leasing rights to withdraw up to 603,000 gallons of water per day at the same basic rate as Fryeburg residents.
Taylor and Food and Water Watch had argued that the water district's charter didn't allow for bulk extraction, bottling and reselling of the water, but Maine's top court disagreed (http://www.courts.maine.gov/opinions_orders/supreme/lawcourt/2016/16me71ta.pdf), upholding the deal that allows the company to lease premises and purchase water. The court found "that there was no abuse of discretion or violation of statutory provision," the Associated Press reports (http://wgme.com/news/local/maine-supreme-court-affirms-poland-spring-water-deal). The ruling states, "The proposed agreement was for twenty-five years, with the option of four additional five-year extensions."
The Bangor Daily News points out (http://bangordailynews.com/2016/05/12/business/maine-high-court-allows-nestle-water-deal-to-stand/) that

All three of the PUC’s commissioners recused themselves from the case over conflicts of interest, as they each had business involvement with Nestle Waters prior to their appointment to the commission. The impasse resulted in new state law allowing Gov. Paul LePage to appoint as alternate commissioners three retired judges: Paul Rudman, John Atwood and Francis Marsano.
Colin Woodard explored (http://www.pressherald.com/2013/09/01/for-regulators-and-nestle-waters-conflict-by-the-gallon_2013-09-01/) this conflict of interest in depth back in 2013 for the Press Herald in an article entitled "For regulators and Nestlé Waters, conflict by the gallon." And while some residents may welcome the $12,000 a month the new contract makes Nestle pay to the town and believe that the company is operating fairly, Woodard's reporting also pointed to the approach to water as a commodity that has raised the ire of critics in Fryeburg and beyond:

Some residents question the arrangement and mistrust the motives of Nestle SA, whose global CEO, Peter Brabeck, has repeatedly argued that water is not a human right, apart from the 6.6 gallons per day he says a person needs for hydration and basic hygiene. Water used for other purposes must have “a price,” he has said regularly, in order to spur necessary infrastructure investments needed to conserve a precious resource he predicts the planet will run short of long before oil.
Nisha Swinton, a senior organizer with Food & Water Watch issued a statement following the decision, calling it "a profound loss for Maine's citizens" that "paves the way for a private corporation to profit from a vital public resource for decades to come."
"Water is a basic right," she added. "No private company should be allowed to rake in profits from water while leaving a local community high and dry. As we've seen in communities around the country, selling off Fryeburg's water will do nothing to help the town's residents.
"Nestlé has a long history of bullying communities into selling off public assets for private profit. Unfortunately, they've won this round," Swinton said.





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[Dogman]

Ozark has a plant abt 15 miles from me. They do provide Jobs for the area in the plant, but also help drive the water table down! The plant is called Nestle water!

https://www.google.com/#q=nestle+waters+hawkins+tx

But the plant is 6 miles from the Sabine river, so recharge to the aquifer? I do know it is pumped from Wells and then reserved osmosis,d.

How this relates to the OP ?

? But jobs are provided in a hungry job market, the only question is can the river recharge the water table!

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[Ponce]

Number one........boycott all products from Nestle

Number two........ blow up the pipes that carries the water to their prep.

I am going to miss their chocolate bars........oh well.

V

[Dogman]

Number one........boycott all products from Nestle

Number two........ blow up the pipes that carries the water to their prep.

I am going to miss their chocolate bars........oh well.

V


Good bars, but sadly no pipes, they drilled their well on site.

But like you I hate to see these resorce suckers taking our water.

[monty]

I don't know how extensive it is but everywhere you go bottled water is nearly always a Nestlé product or a subsidiary of Nestlé. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have water rights in evey state.

[Dogman]

I don't know how extensive it is but everywhere you go bottled water is nearly always a Nestlé product or a subsidiary of Nestlé. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have water rights in evey state.

Dam good thought question !

Tho I think, they want their plants close to their markets ?

Which would lead to your hypothesis. ;D

[monty]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestlé_Waters_North_America

I am with Ponce, boycott Nestlé.







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Nestlé Waters North America

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Nestlé Waters North America, Inc. is a business-unit of Nestlé (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9) that produces and/or distributes numerous brands of water across North America. Continent-wide brands include Perrier (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perrier) and San Pellegrino (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Pellegrino). Key people include Tim Brown (President and CEO), Bill Pearson (EVP Finance, CFO), and David Colville (CIO). It is based in Stamford, Connecticut (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamford,_Connecticut).


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Regional brandsEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America&action=edit&section=1)

Nestlé also produces bottled water under various brand names depending on the region. These brands include Arrowhead (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowhead_Water), Calistoga, Deer Park (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Park_Spring_Water), Ice Mountain (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Mountain_(water)), Ozarka (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozarka), Poland Spring (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_Spring), and Zephyrhills (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zephyrhills_(water)).

Nestlé Pure Life is produced by Nestlé Waters North America (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9) since 2002. Prior to that, it was known as Aberfoyle Springs and had been produced by the Aberfoyle Springs company since 1993.

After purchasing the Aberfoyle Springs brand and facilities in 2000, Nestlé changed the name first, in 2002, to "Nestlé Pure Life Aberfoyle," and then to "Nestlé Pure Life Natural Spring Water". Nestlé also bottles the Montclair brand in its facilities.

Nestlé's Aberfoyle Springs plant currently bottles two different waters: the on-site Aberfoyle spring water, and spring water tankered in from Cedar Valley Spring in Erin, Ontario (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin,_Ontario). In addition, spring water is bottled on-site in Hope, British Columbia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope,_British_Columbia). In the United States, Nestlé Pure Life is a purified (filtered) water.

Nestlé Waters is currently Canada's largest water bottling company, with two bottling facilities. The larger of the facilities is located in Aberfoyle, Ontario (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfoyle,_Ontario) with the second facility located in Hope, British Columbia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope,_British_Columbia) and warehouses located in Chilliwack, British Columbia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilliwack,_British_Columbia) and Laval, Quebec (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laval,_Quebec).

Nestlé Waters sells three European Brands: Perrier (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perrier), San Pellegrino (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Pellegrino) and Acqua (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panna_(water))

Poland Spring is a brand of bottled water (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottled_water) manufactured by a subsidiary of Nestlé (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9).[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-economist2006-1) It was founded in 1845 by Hiram Ricker. Poland Spring water is derived from multiple sources in the state of Maine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine), including Poland Spring and Garden Spring in Poland (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland,_Maine), Clear Spring in Hollis (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollis,_Maine), Evergreen Spring in Fryeburg (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fryeburg,_Maine), Spruce Spring in Pierce Pond Township, and White Cedar Spring in Dallas Plantation (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Plantation,_Maine). Recently, the Poland Spring brand has adopted a bottle using 60% less plastic,[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-2) as did the other Nestlé Waters North America brands.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-bevnet-3) It is the top-selling spring water brand in the United States.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-economist2006-1)


Water salesEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America&action=edit&section=2)

In 1891, Maine's Bureau of Industrial and Labor Statistics listed 81 existing mineral springs. Twenty-three were used for commercial bottling, with total sales of $400,000.[clarification needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)] $200,000[clarification needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)] of these sales were by Poland Spring.

Today Poland Spring sells the majority of its water in portable 8, 12, and 20 oz bottles; 500 ml, 700 ml, 1 L, and 1.5 L bottles, but also carries larger 5-US-gallon (19 L) bottles usable in office or in home water dispensers. Smaller 1-US-gallon (3.8 L) and 2.5-US-gallon (9.5 L) bottles are also available for sale in most supermarkets (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarkets), and for home delivery in the Northeastern United States (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_United_States). Other less popular varieties of Poland Spring include sparkling (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water), lemon (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon), lime (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_(fruit)), and distilled (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_water). All Poland Spring products are sold in plastic (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic) bottles, for both safety and economical reasons.[citation needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] They are also the producers of the Aquapod (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquapod_(bottle)) line of products.

In the summer of 2005, Poland Spring changed the color of its 1-US-gallon (3.8 L) bottle cap from dark green to clear. The reason for the color change was to remove the dye from the cap, which allows it to enter the recycling stream. Poland Spring later changed to a lighter bottle called the Eco-Shape which uses 30 percent less plastic.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-bevnet-3) The new style made its début in November 2007.[4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-4)


ControversiesEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America&action=edit&section=3)

Nestlé S.A. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters), the World's largest producer of bottled water, is frequently criticised for the ethics of its global control of limited water sources, often with the result of limiting access to those resources by local peoples, as well as environmental concerns.[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-7)[8] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-8)[9] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-9)[10] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-10)[11] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-11)
Water sourcing issuesEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America&action=edit&section=4)

Ice Mountain has been part of the Great Lakes water use debate (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes#Great_Lakes_water_use_and_diversions) in which diversion of the basin's water for export has been controversial.[12] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-glenarbor-12) In 2004, a Michigan court ordered pumping of Sanctuary springs to cease. After an appellate court overturned the cease and desist, the company and local groups came to an agreement to pump only 218 US gallons (830 L) per minute, which is comparable to other local beverage operations.[13] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-nestlena-13) Nestlé has run into similar local opposition when trying to locate a new source location near the headwaters of the White River (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_River_(White_Lake)) in the upper lower peninsula (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_peninsula) of Michigan. [14] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-mlivemuskegon-14)

Several towns in Maine have objected to the business practices of Poland Spring and its parent company Nestlé (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9). In some towns, such as Fryeburg, Maine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fryeburg,_Maine), Poland Spring actually buys the water (110 million US gallons (420,000 m3) of water from Fryeburg a year) from another company, the Fryeburg Water Co. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fryeburg_Water_Co.), and ships it to the Poland Spring bottling plant in Poland Spring.[15] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-15) However, Fryeburg Water Co. also sells water to the town of Fryeburg.

The town of Fryeburg began to question the amount of water the company was selling to Poland Spring. In 2004, the town's water stopped temporarily because of a pump failure, but Poland Spring's operations were able to continue.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-economist2006-1) The group H2O for ME wants to create a tax on water drawn for commercial purposes, however, Poland Spring said the tax would force the company into bankruptcy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy).[16] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-16) State congressman Jim Wilfong (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Wilfong&action=edit&redlink=1) proposed a 20 cent per1-US-gallon (3.8 L) tax be allowed to be voted on in a referendum, but the measure was defeated. He also believes that laws should be rearranged to place limits on the amount of groundwater landowners can pump out of their land.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-economist2006-1)

The town of Sterling, Massachusetts (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling,_Massachusetts) is attempting to prevent Nestlé from pumping spring water from conservation restricted town land. Nestlé Waters North America (NWNA) has responded to an RFP issued by the Town of Clinton to purchase the Town of Clinton's Wekepeke aquifer water rights located in Sterling.[17] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-17)

False advertisementEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America&action=edit&section=5)

In June 2003, Poland Spring was sued for false advertising (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising) in a class action lawsuit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action_lawsuit) charging that their water that supposedly comes from springs, is in fact heavily treated common ground water.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-classactionfa-18) The suit also states, hydro-geologists hired by Nestlé found that another current source for Poland Spring water near the original site stands over a former trash and refuse dump, and below an illegal disposal site where human sewage was sprayed as fertilizer for many years.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-classactionfa-18) The suit was settled in September 2003, with the company not admitting to the allegations, but agreeing to pay $10 million in charity donations and discounts over the next 5 years.[19] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-19) Nestlé continues to sell the same Maine water under the Poland Spring name.


AquapodEdit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America&action=edit&section=6)

Aquapod, manufactured by Nestlé Waters North America through the Ice Mountain (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Mountain) brand, is a non-carbonated natural spring water, targeted towards children. It is packaged in an 11-ounce bottle, shaped like an orb.

"With new orbtastic shape!" is the catch phrase (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_phrase) commonly associated with the Aquapod range.[citation needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]


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[Twisted Titan]

Nestle is the Monsanto of water

[monty]

Arrowhead owned by Nestlé. 13 springs west of the Rocky Mountains, one of which is in Canada.


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[monty]

The suit also states, hydro-geologists hired by Nestlé found that another current source for Poland Spring water near the original site stands over a former trash and refuse dump, and below an illegal disposal site where human sewage was sprayed as fertilizer for many years.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-classactionfa-18) The suit was settled in September 2003, with the company not admitting to the allegations, but agreeing to pay $10 million in charity donations and discounts over the next 5 years.[19] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_Waters_North_America#cite_note-19) Nestlé continues to sell the same Maine water under the Poland Spring name.

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[Dogman]

Would rather find a clear cold spring right out of the ground with no corporate critters within 100 miles or so if not further without a clue of it's existence!

Thank you very much

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[monty]

Would rather find a clear cold spring right out of the ground with no corporate critters within 100 miles or so if not further without a clue of it's existence!

Thank you very much

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Where I grew up in Big Smoky Valley in central Nevada there are hundreds of cold mountain springs and creeks. Before 1972 when I moved to Reno you could drink the water from any of them.

When I retired and moved back home in 2003 I went out with one of the local ranchers to move some cattle. I flopped down on my belly and was going to drink from the creek like I had done in the past.

They told don't drink the water. It has beaver fever. Sometime after the heavy BLM and USFS presence and the Fish and Game introducing elk and a non native species of big horn sheep all the water in those mountain ranges are all contaminated with beaver fever.

[Dogman]

Where I grew up in Big Smoky Valley in central Nevada there are hundreds of cold mountain springs and creeks. Before 1972 when I moved to Reno you could drink the water from any of them.

When I retired and moved back home in 2003 I went out with one of the local ranchers to move some cattle. I flopped down on my belly and was going to drink from the creek like I had done in the past.

They told don't drink the water. It has beaver fever. Sometime after the heavy BLM and USFS presence and the Fish and Game introducing elk and a non native species of big horn sheep all the water in those mountain ranges are all contaminated with beaver fever.Any creek not way out away from man and his critters, I would think twice about.

But at a springs source right out of the ground, not so much, but down stream, it would depend on what critters are abut.

If you can not drink directly from a springs source, that my friend is bad juju.

[palani]

Psssst ... ya'll might want to stop acting like injured peasants. The amount of water being drawn daily is less than that required fill an Olympic size pool.


The contract gives Poland Spring – a subsidiary of Nestle Waters – leasing rights to withdraw up to 603,000 gallons of water per day at the same basic rate as Fryeburg residents.

Olympic size pools measure: 50 metres long, 25 metres wide, and a minimum of 2 metres deep. (25m x 50m x 2m = 2,500m3; 1L = 0.001m3 so 2,500 x 1000 = 2,500,000L) 660,430 gallons of water.

[Dogman]

becides the point.

More of a principle thingy...


I do not care to see that plant here, but also I am glad some local familys are being fed and have jobs

Catch 22 ?

[monty]

Psssst ... ya'll might want to stop acting like injured peasants. The amount of water being drawn daily is less than that required fill an Olympic size pool.



Olympic size pools measure: 50 metres long, 25 metres wide, and a minimum of 2 metres deep. (25m x 50m x 2m = 2,500m3; 1L = 0.001m3 so 2,500 x 1000 = 2,500,000L) 660,430 gallons of water.


That is about one second/foot of water continuous per day. One cubic foot = 7.48 gallons x 60 second x 60 minutes x 24 hours = 646,272 gallons per day.

[palani]

becides the point.

More of a principle thingy...

The topic is on the order of the principles a Nebraska rancher had to deal with. He was on the border with Colorado and ran a pipeline from Nebraska to Colorado for the purpose of watering his cattle. Water being such a big issue in the west he was shut down in a hurry.

Wars are fought over water more often than drugs.

On the good news front Coloradans now have the right to rain barrels to collect the water that dribbles onto their homes from on high.

[palani]

That is about one second/foot of water continuous per day.

This means more in dry country that it does in Maine. Around here when the Mississippi goes into flood there are about a million of those cubic feet passing every second. Hardly a rare commodity.

[monty]

My daughter and son-in-law have a 40 acre hobby farm in Colorado. He told me if they irrigate the water law says they must replenish the ground water with an equal amount to what they pumped. That sounds like an impossibility to me. Needless to say, he doesn't irrigate.

[Dogman]

The topic is on the order of the principles a Nebraska rancher had to deal with. He was on the border with Colorado and ran a pipeline from Nebraska to Colorado for the purpose of watering his cattle. Water being such a big issue in the west he was shut down in a hurry.

Wars are fought over water more often than drugs.

On the good news front Coloradans now have the right to rain barrels to collect the water that dribbles onto their homes from on high.

Yep agree on the fights!

Here it is the Dallas/Ft worth bunch wanting to build reservoirs here for them. So far we are winning, for now! Fights been going on at least for almost 30 years.

Good for Coloradans, I feel if rain hits your property it is yours to use and or store!

And let they that do not like it go screw themselves dry with no lube!

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[Dogman]

My daughter and son-in-law have a 40 acre hobby farm in Colorado. He told me if they irrigate the water law says they must replenish the ground water with an equal amount to what they pumped. That sounds like an impossibility to me. Needless to say, he doesn't irrigate.

Insanity has no logic!

Fact jack !

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[monty]

This means more in dry country that it does in Maine. Around here when the Mississippi goes into flood there are about a million of those cubic feet passing every second. Hardly a rare commodity.

In Nevada in a drouth year my father had to pump to irrigate his alfalfa. The well pumped about a second foot of water. It was not profitable to pump water to raise alfalfa in the desert in those days. Now there are quite a few alfalfa farms pumping but they use huge amounts of fertilizer and get much better yields.

[Dogman]

In Nevada in a drouth year my father had to pump to irrigate his alfalfa. The well pumped about a second foot of water. It was not profitable to pump water to raise alfalfa in the desert in those days. Now there are quite a few alfalfa farms pumping but they use huge amounts of fertilizer and get much better yields.

Are they leveling their fields? (Flat)

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[palani]

In Nevada in a drouth year my father had to pump to irrigate his alfalfa. The well pumped about a second foot of water. It was not profitable to pump water to raise alfalfa in the desert in those days. Now there are quite a few alfalfa farms pumping but they use huge amounts of fertilizer and get much better yields.

Yep. Was told years ago that around Witchita they could get 200 bushel per acre corn by irrigating. With the costs though the break even was 195 bushels.

Southern central Iowa is dryer (closer to Missouri than Iowa in water). This is south of Des Moines. People there gave up row cropping because of the higher input cost, less rainfall and distance from markets in favor of livestock.

And in Missouri I was always told when they ripped up a pasture it took 3 years to re-establish it whereas in Iowa we can plant a pasture and have it producing at the end of the same year. ... More rain makes the difference.

[monty]

Are they leveling their fields? (Flat)

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In areas where they flood irrigate they level the fields, but many use big pivots and follow the contour of the land most of those are on the valley floor and reasonably level. Our fields were in a canyon with a quite a bit of fall. We irrigated with furrows.

[Dogman]

In areas where they flood irrigate they level the fields, but many use big pivots and follow the contour of the land most of those are on the valley floor and reasonably level. Our fields were in a canyon with a quite a bit of fall. We irrigated with furrows.Furrows are great used correctly for water management and soaking to be allowed for minimum or no run off! But also not so good breaking the soil, so the wind can take all the Goody's away!

When I worked in West TX had no need to visit other states, during a dust storm I could witness parts of those border States come to me.

Depending on the wind direction!

;D

The dust bowl is still happening, tho at a smaller scale today!

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[monty]

These fiields are not leveled

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[Dogman]

When I see this in West Texas, I almost cry, and want to say goodbye to the ogallala aquifer!

As it is being pumped down to nothing!

Sad, but people do need to make a living, even if their grandkids or kids will not be able to do the same.

Because the ground water (what ground water?) ( less than one foot rain per year) went poof or the water table dropped so low pumping would not be cost effective

Bunch of old aqueducts , mainly around Pecos TX and old deep borehole from the good times..

Now nadda! But the concrete skeletons remain from what was!

The aquifer was pumped out there and it is going dry South to North!

But such is life!

;D

Sent from my Nexus 7

[milehi]

Nestle only pays $524 a year to draw unlimited water from the Arrowhead Well in the San Bernardino Mountains, while residents are on strict rationing.

[Cebu_4_2]

Nestle only pays $524 a year to draw unlimited water from the Arrowhead Well in the San Bernardino Mountains, while residents are on strict rationing.

Soumds fair.