egyptian air flight 804 crash

[cheka.]

grabbing early reporting

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/world/middleeast/egyptair-flight-804.html?_r=0

EgyptAir Flight 804 departed Paris at 11:09 p.m. on Wednesday. At 2:26 a.m., the pilot spoke to Greek air traffic controllers, and nothing seemed out of the ordinary, officials said. Three or four minutes later, the plane last made radar contact.

At 2:37 a.m., shortly after entering Egyptian air space, the plane made a 90-degree turn to the left and then a full circle to the right, plunging to 9,000 feet from 37,000 feet and disappearing from radar, the Greek defense minister, Panos Kammenos, said at a news conference Thursday afternoon.

As the authorities mounted an intense search-and-rescue operation focused around the Greek island of Karpathos, between Crete and Rhodes, President François Hollande of France confirmed that the plane had crashed and acknowledged that “the terrorist hypothesis” was one of several that investigators were looking into.

Flight 804 was carrying 56 passengers, including three children, seven crew members and three members of airline security personnel.

A list of the passengers’ nationalities, released by the airline, said that 30 were from Egypt, 15 from France, two from Iraq and one each from Algeria, Belgium, Britain, Canada, Chad, Kuwait, Portugal, Saudi Arabia and Sudan.

EgyptAir said it had last made radar contact with the plane at 2:30 a.m., when it was 175 miles off the Egyptian coast. (Greek officials put the last radar contact at about a minute earlier.)

At 3:14 a.m. Cairo time, the Greek authorities began a search operation, deploying a C-130 military transport plane. At 4:26 a.m. — nearly two hours after the last radar contact — the plane emitted a signal, although it was not clear whether that was an emergency distress signal sent by a crew member or an automated signal from the plane’s onboard computers.

At the airport in Cairo, relatives and friends waiting for the passengers were shepherded into a separate area, many of them red-faced and crying. Aviation security officials banned journalists from filming and interviewing people, saying they were acting on orders from the Interior Ministry, which controls the police.

In a flurry of posts on Twitter on Thursday, EgyptAir emphasized the experience of the crew of the missing airliner, an Airbus A320. The pilot has more than 6,000 flying hours, and the co-pilot has 2,700 hours, the airline said.

[cheka.]

http://gulfnews.com/news/mena/egypt/update-egyptair-flight-goes-missing-in-mediterranean-with-66-passengers-crew-1.1830619

Cairo: Egypt's aviation minister said that a terrorist attack was more likely to have taken down the missing EgyptAir aircraft early Thursday morning than a technical failure.

There were no known security concerns about passengers aboard the missing plane but further checks are underway, he told a news conference.

"There was no distress call," Egypt's Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Fathi said, stating that earlier government reports of distress call came from an official who had "misbehaved". “Until we find the debris, the plane remains missing.”

Greek defence minister: missing #EgyptAir flight MS804 "made two sharp turns".

Flight MS804 sent a distress signal before communication was lost at about 2:45 am Cairo time, according to the airline.

Egypt army denies detecting distress signal from missing plane. The Egyptian army has denied it detected any "distress messages" from an EgyptAir flight that vanished over the Mediterranean on Thursday, in a statement posted on its spokesman's Facebook page.

EgyptAir had said it was informed by the military that it detected a "distress message" from the Airbus A320 which was en route from Paris to Cairo when it disappeared from radar screens.

Greek air traffic controllers spoke to pilot of missing Egypt Air plane while over Greece, did not report any problems

Weather conditions in Egypt and over the Mediterranean were said to be good at the time that Flight MS804 disappeared. Airline experts, interviewed on CNN, said the flight path did not cross any areas of conflict.

Flight MS802 pilot made no distress call before plane vanished, reports Egyptian state newspaper Al Ahram.

EgyptAir flight 804 made no distress call, vice-chairman of EgyptAir holding company Ahmed Abdel tells CNN; says rescue plane has arrived at coordinates of where aircraft lost contact.

EGYPTAIR A320 was at a height of 37.000ft, and disappeared after entering the Egyptian airspace with 10 miles.

[midnight rambler]

Considering that so many IS supporters have managed to get airport workers' jobs this should come as no surprise.

[cheka.]

Considering that so many IS supporters have managed to get airport workers' jobs this should come as no surprise.

egypt and airplane drama on a hot streak

[midnight rambler]

Final nail in coffin of Egypt tourism, brought to you by the friendly folks at IsraHell's own Project IS -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-final-8004537

[boogietillyapuke]

.......must have more TSA here at home.

[Glass]

maybe another mistaken shoot down? Perhaps Putin was transiting the area. UK news is saying fireball video is Russian space debris

[EE_]

I wonder if other countries, Egypt etc. play American disasters, terrorist attacks, 24/7 on their news stations? I'm guessing they don't give a fuck?

[cheka.]

jim stone has a different take -- no crash, landed in israel

http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisy7.html

[ximmy]

jim stone has a different take -- no crash, landed in israel

http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisy7.html


Oh my god...


Commercial airline pilot Chris McGee told Sky News there were only two circumstances that would prevent a pilot from contacting air traffic control.

"One would be if there was human intervention.

"The second possibility, which is also very unprecedented, is that something has occurred on the flight deck which means we are simply too busy, we have got to handle what is happening to the aircraft at that point in time and we do that first.
"The first thing you are taught is fly the airplane first, handle the problem, and then communicate. So if you have got your hands full that is potentially why you wouldn't talk to air traffic."

http://news.sky.com/story/1698585/egyptair-plane-what-could-have-happened

[Glass]

so who was on the plane?

[ximmy]

The Associated Press, Jerusalem Monday, 16 May 2016


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The French foreign minister met with Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Sunday and said an upcoming Paris summit aimed at restarting peace talks will proceed, despite Israeli objections that direct negotiations are the only way forward.


Paris is to host an international meeting in May of 20 countries, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, to discuss the peace process. Israel and the Palestinians have not been invited.


French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas during his one-day visit Sunday.


“We must demonstrate that the path that we are proposing will be the one that will allow for an exit out of the extremely serious situation, the impasse which we find ourselves in. I explained to him (Netanyahu) what that means,” Ayrault said. “I will not ask him to come to the meeting on May 30, he wasn’t invited, only at a second date. So I understand his disagreements but it only convinces me of the need to do something to move this impasse,” he said, adding that he spoke “frankly” with the Israeli prime minister.


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that direct negotiations, without preconditions, are the best way to reach a final agreement and that “any other attempt only makes peace more remote and gives the Palestinians an escape hatch to avoid confronting the root of the conflict.”


“They simply avoid negotiating with us as part of their desire to avoid resolving the root of the conflict, which is recognizing the national state of the Jewish People, i.e. the State of Israel,” he said.


The Palestinians, who have welcomed the French proposal, also said it will be held as planned. Nabil Abu Rdeneh, an adviser to the Palestinian president said: “The French and Arab efforts are ongoing and are quickly on the right track to hold the international peace conference.”


The last round of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, mediated by the US, collapsed in 2014.

Last Update: Monday, 16 May 2016 KSA 00:15 - GMT 21:15

[ximmy]

‘SUDDEN SWERVES’
The Greek defence minister gave dramatic insight into the final recorded moments of EgyptAir flight MS804, saying the plane carrying 66 people “swerved and then plunged” before turning 360 degrees.
Panos Kammenos said the aircraft was cruising inside Egyptian airspace at an altitude of 37,000 feet when it made a series of sudden movements.
“It turned 90 degrees left and then a 360 degree turn toward the right, dropping from 38,000 to 15,000 feet and then it was lost at about 10,000 feet,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/egyptair-crash/overviewmap-600.jpg

Last radar contact in direction to Israel. It turned 90 degrees left and then a 360 degree turn toward the right
http://www.yourchildlearns.com/online-atlas/images/map-of-lebanon.gif

[ximmy]

How to thwart a gunman at 29,000 feet, by the only pilot who ever did

Bar-Lev told Kol, the air marshal, to hold on tight. He was going to throw the plane into a dive. The negative g-force, akin to the feeling one gets on the downhill section of a roller coaster ride, would accomplish two things: it would lower the plane’s altitude, reducing the pressure difference between the inside and outside of the plane, which would make a bullet hole or a grenade explosion less dangerous; and it would throw the hijackers off their feet. The passengers, he said, were all belted in and would be fine.

Bar-Lev lifted the nose of the aircraft, dipped one of the wings, and then tilted the nose down to earth. The plane began to plummet, dropping 10,000 feet in a minute. When he pulled out of the dive, Kol charged through the door and killed Argüello.
The second terrorist, Leila Khaled, a Palestinian veteran of previous skyjackings, rolled a grenade forward but it didn’t explode. In her memoir, Bar-Lev said, Khaled claimed to have been violently subdued, but the air marshals found her passed out from the dive and quickly arrested her.
“The whole thing took two and a half minutes,” Bar-Lev said.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/how-to-defeat-airplane-terrorists-from-the-only-pilot-who-ever-foiled-a-skyjacking/

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Looks like the pilot tried to thwart a hijacking...


“It turned 90 degrees left and then a 360 degree turn toward the right, dropping from 38,000 to 15,000 feet and then it was lost at about 10,000 feet,”

[singular_me]

you cannot even believe in genuine plane crashes these days.... wait and see for the next alternative investigations AGAIN


oops, just in:


EgyptAir airliner ‘apparently’ brought down by terror attack – Russia’s security chief
20 May 2016 GMT
https://www.rt.com/news/343613-egyptair-crash-terror-fsb/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

[Joshua01]

you cannot even believe in genuine plane crashes these days.... wait and see for the next alternative investigations AGAIN


oops, just in:


EgyptAir airliner ‘apparently’ brought down by terror attack – Russia’s security chief
20 May 2016 GMT
https://www.rt.com/news/343613-egyptair-crash-terror-fsb/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/588761/resized_ancient-aliens-invisible-something-meme-generator-i-m-not-saying-it-s-aliens-but-it-s-aliens-8953f4.jpg

[cheka.]

so it did a 90 degree turn, then a 360 degree turn...but didn't tell anyone what was happening?

wouldn't the turns take a while? like minutes, not seconds?

the two turns would leave it heading toward israel (j. stone)

[Joshua01]

so it did a 90 degree turn, then a 360 degree turn...but didn't tell anyone what was happening?

wouldn't the turns take a while? like minutes, not seconds?

the two turns would leave it heading toward israel (j. stone)

Hijackers had him disable the radio perhaps?

[mick silver]

Why Were Three Air Marshals on Doomed Jetliner?Source: ABC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/egyptair-crash/egyptair-flight-ms804-three-air-marshals-were-aboard-missing-jet-n576621)
Three air marshals were among the 66 people aboard EgyptAir Flight MS804 that crashed while flying over the Mediterranean Sea early Thursday (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/egyptair-flight-paris-cairo-vanishes-radar-n576541), authorities said.
France's transport chief Alain Vidalies told reporters that having that many security officers on such a flight was "the usual practice." He added that the plane — which can carry up to 189 passengers — was not transporting any freight.
Former NTSB investigator Greg Feith told MSNBC that Egypt had boosted security recently, which could explain the number of officers on board.
"The only other reason to have security personnel like we do here in the U.S. is if they were transporting some sort of prisoner or someone of interest," Feith added. "But most likely this was similar to our federal air marshals flying on this flight."

Read More... (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/egyptair-crash/egyptair-flight-ms804-three-air-marshals-were-aboard-missing-jet-n576621)

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[Glass]

aircraft flew through active war games


Turns out, Egyptair Flight MS804’s flight path took them right through the area they were holding the Phoenix Express 2016 joint naval drills in the Mediterranean Sea.

This year’s exercise control group will be hosted at the NATO Maritime Interdiction Operations Training Center (NMIOTC) located in Souda Bay, Greece, but training will take place throughout the Mediterranean to include North African nations’ territorial waters.” Navy.mil
Here’s a map showing the last recorded position of Flight MS804 in relation to key points of Phoenix Express 2016 drill locations.

https://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/804-map.jpg

That looks a little more official, doesn’t it?

Truth is, we still don’t know what happened to this airliner and speculation does no one any good. But, I think when information this critical is available, we need to report on it. Especially when you consider the nature of the drills themselves.

This was an Africom operation with a number of North African military officials taking leadership positions in the drills.

articipants of Phoenix Express have opportunities to enhance expertise in a number of areas: boarding techniques, search-and-rescue operations, medical casualty response, MOC to MOC communication, and maritime domain awareness tools…

A Combined Maritime Operation Center (CMOC), led and comprised of North African navy officers, will form at NMIOTC to manage at-sea operations.

While the exercise is facilitated by the U.S. Navy, senior leaders from North African navies have prominent roles in the exercise. A Moroccan officer will oversee the exercise control group; a Tunisian officer will oversee the CMOC; and an Algerian officer will oversee a five-ship surface action group participating in the at-sea phase. Navy.mil

Seems to me they had a large number of less-than well-trained naval officers from North African nations, calling the shots during the drills.

Is it possible someone made a mistake in identifying a potential drone target or let a cruise missile fly when they shouldn’t have?

Mistake or not, Africom is not the most popular entity on the continent. And certainly, an accidental shoot-down of a commercial airliner with 66 people on board would not help their PR efforts.

Again, we don’t know exactly what happened, but with the recent revelation that the plane turned suddenly to the left and then back to the right before it dropped off the radar, it damn sure seems to me at least a possibility that someone on that plane was taking evasive maneuvers in an attempt to avoid something closing in on them.

The fact that they also just happened to be in the middle of a joint naval training op with a bunch of under-trained African officers at the helm makes me wonder if event is hard to figure out as some are trying to make it.

Story link (https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/egyptair-flight-ms804-flew-right-through-phoenix-express-2016-naval-exercises/)

[mick silver]

The fact that they also just happened to be in the middle of a joint naval training op with a bunch of under-trained African officers at the helm makes me wonder if event is hard to figure out as some are trying to make it

[Glass]

The fact that they also just happened to be in the middle of a joint naval training op with a bunch of under-trained African officers at the helm makes me wonder if event is hard to figure out as some are trying to make it

Occam's razor.

[Joshua01]

aircraft flew through active war games



Story link (https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/egyptair-flight-ms804-flew-right-through-phoenix-express-2016-naval-exercises/)

Africans are the biggest troublemakers on the planet...mostly because of their subhuman underdeveloped brains

[JohnQPublic]

At least the wreckage makes some sense (other than some of the claimed 777 wreckage that has been presented). This looks like non-metallic honycomb core (like for instance Nomex core):


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[JohnQPublic]

Interesting past occurrence:

https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-airbus-a320-232-g-euye

Air Accidents Investigation Branch report (https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports)
AAIB investigation to Airbus A320-232, G-EUYE


From:Air Accidents Investigation Branch (https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/air-accidents-investigation-branch)Published:11 February 2016Date of occurrence:27 July 2015Aircraft category:Commercial - fixed wing (https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports?aircraft_category%5B%5D=commercial-fixed-wing)Report type:Bulletin - Field investigation (https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports?report_type%5B%5D=field-investigation)Aircraft type:Airbus A320-232Location:90 nm south-east of London Heathrow AirportRegistration:G-EUYE
In-flight fumes event, 90 nm south-east of London Heathrow Airport, 27 July 2015.



Summary: (https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-airbus-a320-232-g-euye#summary)

Download report: (https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-airbus-a320-232-g-euye#download-report)
Download glossary of abbreviations: (https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-airbus-a320-232-g-euye#download-glossary-of-abbreviations)



Summary: Whilst in the cruise at FL240, the flight crew became aware of an unusual noise and an electrical burning smell. The noise quickly developed into a high pitched squeal, with some associated vibration and the smell became stronger, although there was no visible smoke.
After donning their oxygen masks the flight crew actioned the appropriate emergency checklist, after which the noise ceased. The aircraft landed safely at its planned destination. Investigation revealed the cause of the event to be worn bearings in the avionics blower fan. This is a known problem, and both the fan and aircraft manufacturers have taken safety actions to prevent similar incidents in future.
Download report: Airbus A320-232, G-EUYE 02-16 (https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/56bc42cfed915d10bd000010/Airbus_A320-232_G-EUYE_02-16.pdf)

[cheka.]

http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisz3.html

Very late in mention "satellite telemetry" kills the "official" story dead.

Even if they "find the black boxes" now, I am not buying any of it, the satellite telemetry blows the official story into oblivion - the plane had power to both the transponder and radio, and also had cabin pressure all through the disaster regardless of what any scamming "expert" says in defiance of all rational observation. Why no distress calls? Ask Israel, they are the only nation in the area that had the tech to wipe out all communications.

The satellite telemetry system measured everything from window temperature to smoke in the bathrooms. It also measured cabin pressure, oxygen mask deployment, and electrical failures. Yet no problems with cabin pressure or the power system show up in the telemetry, which proves on ALL POINTS the "official" story is unadulterated BULLSHIT.

Why would the plane disappear in the seconds long null time during the handoff between Egypt and Greece? Well, for psychological reasons, that's why. Everything bad happens during the mystery moments! The "Hollywood aspect" works the best for a psy op because everyone is left shaking their heads, and no one is accountable! and oh, because ISRAEL was close by (dead center of the action) and is an expert with the "Hollywood theme" too.

THEY SCREWED UP BY RELEASING SATELLITE TELEMETRY THEY SHOULD HAVE HELD ONTO!

The satellite telemetry screws Israel BIG TIME because it proves this plane was at least rendered unable to call out via external influence all the while all systems were working that would have been needed to call out, and no matter what happened to the plane after that, Israel is indicted because Israel is the only country in the area that could make a plane go "radio silent" despite the plane having documented full cabin pressure, and a now proven powered and on transponder AND RADIO.

Here is the telemetry:

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received

Ok, so look at the time frame here - it spans 3 minutes. And nowhere in that 3 minutes is there the code for cabin de-pressurization. So that alone totally rules out any bomb or missile strike. It also rules out any possibility of the plane breaking up. And there is a lot more than that said by those few lines of telemetry. The telemetry irrefutably states that no matter what, the pilots had 3 minutes to radio out about any trouble. Trouble that did not destroy the airplane. If it did destroy the airplane, the cabin pressure code would have been sent. Also stuff like "oxygen mask deployment" would have been sent. And if the radio or transponder had a power outage, a message for that would have been sent. Here is the kicker (referred to in item 2 below) - towards the end, the last two messages are for flight control computer failures. Now why would that be?

The zio press is hatching all kinds of stories about what these codes mean, when really everything they come up with sounds like a talking banana shoved up a monkey's behind. And I'll tell you why - because within the "official" story, they cannot state anything about these codes that makes any sense. The talking head B.S. experts are trying to use the "satellite telemetry" data to set a scenario of a plane breaking up, and sending out random trash. But they screwed up, because NO CABIN PRESSURE CODE IS IN THERE. Absent that, the plane was totally intact, and the fact any codes at all were sent means the plane was at least in good enough condition to squawk about a loss of cabin pressure if it had happened.

Let me tell you two scenarios the MSM will never state that actually make sense -

Item 1: When the plane was electronically hijacked, the hijacking procedure generated errors. I'd give this scenario a possibility of 3 out of 10. Here is what I really think happened:

Item 2: During the handover to Egypt air control, the pilots suddenly had the plane act up and start making turns, realized they could not call the tower, figured out they were remote hijacked, and started ripping wires out of some of the avionics in the raw hope they'd rip the right ones to get control back. Perhaps they eventually ripped the correct wires, thus necessitating a shoot down, and if that be the case, debris might be found, but we are definitely at least talking about the demise of a fully intact plane that had communications externally cut via jamming.

The smoke alarm and window sensor errors were probably generated by random wires getting ripped as the pilots attempted to get control back. Finally they started bashing avionics CPU's to death, which generated the last two errors. The plane had 7, losing two would not do anything bad. Then telemetry cut due to jamming from the hijackers. The plane was then either successfully recovered by the pilots and subsequently shot down, or the plane landed in Israel, PERIOD. That is the ONLY THING the telemetry adds up to. Lack of radio communications and a "dead" transponder despite no power loss, and full cabin pressure prove it. It can't possibly have been a bomb if there was no loss of cabin pressure, and if there was a fire, the pilots would have called out and said it, because telemetry proves they had power to the radio.

CNN is all over the map with the lies. Now CNN is saying the plane was 180 miles out, to explain the slow emergency response. 180 miles is still within range of the most pathetic rescue helicopter. But the plane was NOT 180 miles out. This is because ALL the early reports said the plane vanished 10 minutes before it was supposed to land. An Airbus A320 cruises below 600 mph. That means, with 10 minutes left to land, it could not have been more than 100 miles away from the landing strip, which was definitely not on the ocean. UPDATE: At 1:21 PST on May 21, a search plane element was added to this story by CBS in the past tense, to plug this hole in their story. TOO LATE.

All of it adds up to:

1. The plane had cabin pressure. 2. The pilots had a radio. 3. The transponder had power. 4. Everything went dark from a ground perspective. 5. the plane is completely documented to have had it's nose pointed towards Israel and was still flying when it finally vanished from radar. HELLO FLIGHT 370 Deja Vu! An electronic hijacking attempt by Israel is the ONLY rational option now.

But you can bet Israel won't fry, in fact you can bank on that, because Jews will own the investigation, they own the media as well, and the answer will simply be what they want it to be. They totally cornered themselves now, lied themselves into a situation they can't get back, so what will they say next? Certainly not the truth!

HEY HEY HEY! HERE'S AN UNEXPECTED TREAT! Another web site is getting it right! "Incident Concurrent with NATO naval drill in the Mediterranean. Another element that this incident shares in common with several recent air disasters including MH370 and the destruction of Metrojet Flight 9268 over Egypt seven months ago is that it has taken place during the course of a large US led military drill"

My response: GEE, I DID NOT KNOW THAT, THANK YOU! NICE CAN OF GAS ON THE FIRE ABOVE, AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT ON SCENE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO MAKE IT BURN REAL GOOD!!!!! I'll settle for the U.S. doing this as part of a military drill (or Israel doing it as part of a military drill with the U.S.) because they are the same people anyway.

The zio press won't mention this little tidbit!

Would they hijack and destroy Islamic aircraft just for practice? Well, after they killed over a million in Iraq and destroyed other places that provoked NOTHING, I would not put it past them. This stokes it a good one!

YOU MEAN THEY HAD ALL THAT MILITARY HARDWARE OUT THERE, RIGHT UNDER THIS CRASH, AND IT TOOK THEM DAYS TO FIND THE DEBRIS? GO HOME TROLLS, YOU LOST!

[singular_me]

here we go... now conspiracy-fact theorists have something to work on
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EgyptAir crash: Forensics chief dismisses reports of human remains pointing to onboard explosion
24 May 2016 GMT

‘Egypt’s head of forensics has denied reports that human remains retrieved from the Mediterranean Sea and examined by a team of experts point to an explosion taking place on board Flight 804, which crashed last week.

“Everything published about this matter is completely false, and [are] mere assumptions that did not come from the Forensics Authority,” state news agency MENA quoted forensics head Hesham Abdelhamid as saying.

Earlier on Tuesday, an official who was said to have personally examined the remains at a Cairo morgue told AP on condition of anonymity that “the logical explanation is that it was an explosion.”‘
https://www.rt.com/news/344171-egyptair-remains-point-explosion/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

[cheka.]

now we have this

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/egyptair-flight-ms804-did-not-swerve-before-crash-cairo-says

EgyptAir: crashed flight MS804 did not swerve, Cairo says

Statement at odds with Greece’s line, which says plane en route from Paris made ‘sudden swerves’ before crashing into Mediterranean Sea

[cheka.]

more chaos in the story...

http://nypost.com/2016/05/22/egyptair-pilot-reportedly-spoke-with-air-traffic-control-minutes-before-crash/

The pilot of EgyptAir Flight 804 spoke to air traffic control for “several minutes” before the doomed aircraft took its fatal plunge, according to a report that directly contradicts initial accounts of the crash.

Pilot Mohamed Said Shoukair had “a conversation” with air traffic controllers in Cairo, according to The Independent, citing French television station M6.

The plane was headed from Paris to Cairo Thursday when it went down somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, killing all 66 aboard. Flight data automatically sent by sensors on aircraft indicated smoke inside the plane, officials said.

After the conversation, the pilot made an “emergency descent” in an effort to depressurize the cabin and clear the smoke, according to the French station.

But the report is the first that has Shoukair speaking to Egyptian authorities on the ground about the emergency.

After the flight vanished, an EgyptAir spokesman said there was a distress call from the airbus, but the statement was later refuted by the Egyptian military and withdrawn by the airline.

The French air accident investigation agency, the BEA, which sent three investigators to Cairo to participate in the official inquiry, did not confirm the M6 story.

The report comes as Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi on Sunday cautioned that finding the exact cause of the incident “will take time.”

“This is not one scenario that we can exclusively subscribe to … all scenarios are possible,” he said Sunday on Egyptian television.
Modal Trigger
Pieces of wreckage from Egyptair Flight 804 recovered from the Mediterranean Sea by the Egyptian Armed Forces.Photo: Zumapress

Egypt has deployed a robot submarine to hunt for the crucial cockpit voice and data recorders from the plane. The submarine can operate at a depth of 9,842 feet.

The robotic vessel is used by the oil ministry to maintain offshore oil rigs, according to reports.

El-Sissi vowed to work with French authorities to unravel the mystery of what happened to the fated flight, which suddenly turned left, then pivoted toward the right, spun around and dropped 38,000 feet into the sea, authorities said.

Smoke was detected in different parts of the airplane, including the cockpit and the bathroom, officials said.

“It is very, very important to us to establish the circumstances that led to the crash of that aircraft,” el-Sissi said.

Meanwhile, families of the victims gathered at a crisis center in Cairo looking for answers and holding out hope for a miracle.

At least one mom is refusing to give up the idea her daughter might still be alive.

Flight attendant Samar Ezz Eldin, 27, shared an eery image of a drenched stewardess walking out of the water after a plane crash just four months after she started working for EgyptAir in 2014.

Her mom Amal is refusing to turn off her cell phone, a relative said.

“She doesn’t want to believe it… I told her to switch off her phone, but she said, what if Samar calls?” the relative told The Mirror.

None of the remains have been officially identified.

[cheka.]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/middleeast/egyptair-flight-disappears/

EgyptAir Flight 804: Airline official says debris not from plane

Cairo (CNN)The search for EgyptAir Flight 804 is continuing after reports that the plane's wreckage had been found turned out to be false.
When searchers got close to debris found in the Mediterranean Sea they realized it didn't come from the missing airliner, EgyptAir's Vice Chairman Ahmed Adel told CNN.

[cheka.]

http://shoebat.com/2016/05/19/the-names-of-the-pilots-crew-and-passenger-name-list-of-the-crashed-egyptian-air-flight-revealed/

By Walid Shoebat

Shoebat.com was able to obtain the crew list and the names of every passenger on the Egyptian flight downed yesterday. The pilot was Mohammed Said Shaker and his co-pilot was Mohammad Ahmed Mamdouh Ahmed Aassem.

The cabin crew they identified were: Mervat Zakaria Zaki Mohammed, Atef Loutfi Abdullatif Amin, Samar Ezzedine Safwat, Youssof Haitham Mustafa Abdul Hamid al-Azizi, Yara Hani Farag Tawfiq. As for the security crew: Mahmoud Ahmed Abdul Razek Abdul Karim, Ahmed Mohamed Magdi Ahmed and Mohammed Abdel-Mouneim al-Ghonaimy al-Kayali. (see alternative spelling below)

Passanger include: Marwa Hamdy, Nasr Hamad, Mansour Khalid Hussain, Riham Musaad Ali, Othman Rishar, Sawsan Khudair, Mahmoud al-Sayid, Mohammed Ziyadeh, Jalal Ziyadeh, Amal Zaineddin Dawood, Farraj Mohammed, Abdurabuh Islam Ahmed Hilal, al-Shadli al-Shadli, Ahmed Tayil, Amjad Arjento, Muna Hamdi Shabaneh and her son Ismaeel Raafat Shabaneh.

Shoebat.com obtained the passenger list from Middle East sources in both Arabic and English:

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It will take time to see if any of these passengers are suspect.

It is simply not safe to fly anymore. Who could vet all these? I flew nearly 3000 flights for years and I decided to suspend flying altogether after years of experience. Smuggling a soda pope as a bomb (thats very easy to make too) is a breeze. No one can trust the growing number of Muslims working in the airline industry. Lists of employees and workers are suspect and should be an eye-opener to traveling these days.

I can take a look at this list and find issues. AlMutairi is a name on the passenger list and should be of interest since two Gitmo released with the same last name and are most likely related:

There is “Al Mutairi, Nasser (Kuwait) Chapter 2, also see WikiLeaks and the Guantánamo Prisoners Released After the Tribunals, 2004 to 2005 (Part One of Five)”

“RELEASED OCT 09, WON HABEAS PETITION (Jul 09) Al Mutairi, Khalid (Kuwait) Chapter 7, also see Judge Orders Release From Guantánamo Of Kuwaiti Charity Worker, Guantánamo And The Courts”.

Then there is Salaheldin Abu Laban (the clan is Palestinian not Egyptian) and one can find that name of a list of arrests in Syria for joining a terror group Hizbul-Tahrir. There are two coptic Christians on the list of passengers.

While we cannot confirm if these terrorists were some of the actual passengers but vetting all this is nearly an impossibility unless we can profile. Soon you will see more planes crashing down from the sky and the costs of running the airlines will be immense.

After the November attacks, the French authorities have used the threat of terrorism to justify raids of employee lockers at Charles de Gaulle, as well as a systematic review of the roughly 87,000 airport employees who have badges giving access to secure areas that include the tarmac, baggage handling and cargo storage zones. Those reviews have led the authorities to revoke dozens of badges for security reasons, according to the airport police.

Other examples from Germany. A Turkish-born airport cleaner known to the authorities as a hardline Islamist had an access to major German airports’ most sensitive security areas almost a year after Berlin authorities briefed an airport safety watchdog of his ties to radical beliefs, a report has revealed.

The employee, identified in a new report by Germany’s Morgenpost on Wednesday as “Recep Ü,” was eventually sacked in October 2015 after four years of working for the German airport operator FBB, which runs Berlin’s Tegel and Schönefeld airports. However, his dismissal was triggered not by concerns over a possible terrorist threat but by a separate incident involving a security breach. He had been apprehended by airport security officers while attempting to smuggle a knuckle-duster into the security area of Schönefeld airport, the newspaper reported.

So here are the issues of interest. At 4:26 a.m. — nearly two hours after the last radar contact — the plane emitted a signal, although it was not clear whether that was an emergency distress signal sent by a crew member or an automated signal from the plane’s onboard computers.

“We don’t know if the pilot had something to do with this or if it is just the plane sending it,” said Ihab Raslan, a spokesman for the Egyptian Civil Aviation Ministry.

Although American investigators concluded that the co-pilot had steered the airplane into the sea, Egypt rejected the idea of suicide and still insists that the crash was caused by an unspecified mechanical failure.
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Egyptian Aviation Minister Sherif Fathi said: “If you analyse the situation properly, the possibility of having a different action, or having a terror attack, is higher than the possibility of having a technical [fault].”

An Egyptian aircraft disappearing without a Mayday signal is bound to raise the spectre of terrorism.

Initially, the aircraft seemed to drop off the radar at 37,000 feet, suggesting a sudden break-up. It’s very rare for modern planes to simply break apart in mid air, but not impossible.

But then the Greek defence minister described the aircraft making sharp turns and dropping height quickly. Which suggests it was intact for longer. Even in the worst emergencies, pilots should have time to call for help.

Flightradar24 listed details of the plane’s journey on Wednesday which showed it had flown from Asmara, in Eritrea, to Cairo, then on to Tunis, in Tunisia, before heading, via Cairo, to Paris.

Could something been loaded from Tunis or Eritrea?

Hijacking from within the passengers is not unusual. In March, an EgyptAir plane was hijacked and diverted to Cyprus. The attacker later surrendered and all hostages were released.

Then we have the Islamic State which issued a chilling threat to ‘kill France’ just days before Egyptair flight MS804 from Paris vanished with 66 people on board. Only days before the disappearance, ISIS gave a murderous warning to France in an online video.

“In France is the land of the Cross and Kufr. A Christian read the Quran and say the light.”

The message gives no other clues and seems to give a hint that a convert joined ISIS and was ready to give punishment to the French. Although most of the casualties are Muslim Egyptians, this threat has not been confirmed to link to the crash yet as investigation of the crash continues. Also ISIS does not care about killing Muslims since there code allows it.
Lifejacket found near assumed wreckage of EgyptAir MS804 flight

A lifejacket found near the wreckage of EgyptAir MS804 flight

Jean-Paul Troadec, the former chief of the BEA national investigation unit, said there was a “strong possibility” the plane disappeared due to a suicide bomber.

Speaking to Europe 1 radio station in Paris, he said: “There’s a strong possibility of an explosion on board from a bomb or a suicide bomber.

“The idea of a technical accident when weather conditions were good, seems almost possible but not that likely.

“We could also consider a missile, which is what happened to the Malaysia Airlines aircraft in July 2014.”

Panos Kammenos from Greece said data retrieved on Egyptair flight MS804 shows the stricken plane made a 90 degree left hand turn then spiralled 360 degrees to the right as it dropped 22,000 feet.

He said: “At 3.39am the course of the aircraft was south and south-east of Kassos and Karpathos (islands)…immediately after it entered Cairo FIR and made swerves and a descent I describe; 90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right.”

This only explains a chaos, a plane spiraling as it plunged which gives credence that either a bomb or a suicide bomber or a scuffle caused the crash. The latter assumption would need to investigate the passenger list.

No distress signal –

That leaves a terrorist attack as the most likely possibility, the experts said, not least because it appears that no distress signal was sent from the aircraft.



POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE SPELLING

Mohammed Saeed Ali Shakir (The Captain)
• Mohammed Ahmed Mamdouh Ahmed Assem (Assistant Pilot)
– Cabin crew:
• Mervat Mohamed Zaki Zakaria
• Atef Lutfi Amin Abdul Latif
• Samar Ezzedine Safwat Yusuf
• Haitham Mustafa Abdel-Hamid Azizi
• Yara Hany Farag Tawfiq
– The security of the aircraft crew:
• Mahmoud Ahmed Abdel Razek Abdel Karim
• Ahmed Mohamed Magdy Ahmed
• Mohamed Abdel Moneim Ghonaimy Kayal

Names in Arabic:

دينا عبد الهادي
سالي عبد القادر
المتعري عبد المحسن
غسان أبو الابان
صلاح الدين أبو الابان
عاطف عبد الخالق إبراهيم أبو محمد
ياسين محمد العشري أحمد
أمجد عياد
خالد عبد الخالق علام
نجلا الصالحي
ريم السباعي
مونيكا دالي
هيثم سمير سيد
فارس عيسى عبادة
هيثم سمير ديدح وابنته وزوجته
هاله الباسل
خالد السيد طنطاوي نملة
محمود إبراهيم محمد الصياد
الشاذلي الشاذلي
إيزابل جنين
ناصر حمدي حماد
مروة حمدي
وجيه حنا
أحمد هلال
كونتن هسلوين
بيير هسلوين
بسكال هيس
منصور خالد حسين
أسامة فهيم عبد ربه إسلام
سحر خواجة
سوسن خضير
سيتشي مهامات
السيد محمود
فراج محمد
ريتشارد عثمان
ريهام مسعد علي
فتيحة سبيل
ريمون سامويل ماسياس
نها سعودي
إنجي سليم
يمنى حمدي شبانه
إسماعيل رأفت شبانة
أمينة سليمان
سمية محمد خليل
جيرت سوبر
كريمة سويلم
علاء تاج الدين
مدحت تانيوس
أحمد طايل
وليد عودة
داوود ميخائيل
أمل زين الدين محمود
جلال زيادة
محمد زيادة

[JohnQPublic]

Is it starting to sound like someone just hijacked this plane, maybe like the first Malaysian 777?

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http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950302000466

Egyptian Media Blame Israel for A320 Passenger Jet Crash

The Egyptian media raised the possibility that the A320 passenger jet of EgyptAir airline which was en route from Paris to Cairo crashed due to Israeli fighter jets' exercises in the region.

Al-Mesri al-Youm newspaper wrote that in its report of the plane's crash, Greece hasn’t mentioned Israeli warplanes' wargames in the Southern parts of Crete Island which was revealed earlier this month by Tel Aviv, adding that the maneuvers had started one night before the Egyptian plane's crash.

It added that the exercises are staged with the goal of training the Israeli air force pilots using Greece's airspace which is adjacent to Egypt and Libya.

According to the report, Israel started the maneuvers on May 18 and they will last until next January.

Egypt’s Civil Aviation Ministry confirmed in a statement on May 19 that A320 passenger jet has crashed.

Earlier, the ministry had said that an SOS message was sent out from the missing jet.

"The military received an SOS message from the plane emergency devices," it said.

There were 56 passengers from 12 countries and 10 crew members onboard.

The plane was expected to land in the Egyptian capital at 3:05 a.m. local time. The jet disappeared from radars some 280 kilometers from the Egyptian coast.

The military received an SOS message from the plane’s emergency devices at 04:26 a.m. local time (0226 GMT).

This is the second major incident with Egypt’s flag carrier airline this year