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EE_
19th May 2016, 11:08 AM
And they want me to believe we went to the moon with 1960's technology? lol
Read the article below this one:

Radiation Remains a Problem for Any Mission to Mars
Engineers have yet to find ways to protect astronauts from cosmic rays and solar radiation
By Nola Taylor Redd
SMITHSONIAN.COM
MAY 17, 2016

In the vast emptiness of space, two forms of radiation menace astronauts: Cosmic rays zip through the galaxy at near-light speeds, while solar activity produces a more subdued form of radiation. Both are a problem for space travelers, causing conditions ranging from impaired vision to cancer.

This radiation isn’t a problem here on Earth thanks to the planet's protective atmosphere, which blocks the worst of it. But engineers still don’t have effective methods to shield astronauts from these dangers, and that adds an extra level of risk to already risky plans to send humans to Mars on a three-year journey by the 2030s.

"There may be mission-level risks that literally put the mission at risk—the whole mission, not just the individual astronauts—if one or more crew members are incapacitated," says radiation expert Ron Turner, a senior science adviser at NASA's Institute for Advanced Concepts in Atlanta who studies risk management strategies for human space missions. "It's important that we get that data over the next ten years so we are able to make prudent planning for a future Mars mission."

The sun constantly sheds energetic particles through the solar wind. And levels of these particles rise and fall during the sun’s 22-year solar cycle. Solar storms also can hurl massive blobs of charged particles into space, with the 11-year peak producing the most activity. The powerful radiation can not only increase long-term cancer risks but also cause immediate issues such as vomiting, fatigue and vision problems.

Like solar activity, cosmic rays have the potential to cause cancer. These high-energy, high-velocity particles originate from outside the solar system and can severely damage human cells. Unlike radiation from the sun, however, cosmic rays could also spark long-term degenerative effects while still in space, including heart disease, reduced immune system effectiveness and neurological symptoms resembling Alzheimer's.

Without Earth's atmosphere to shield them, astronauts on board the International Space Station already have to deal with these radiation dangers. They can seek shelter in a more heavily shielded part of the ship when the sun releases a particularly high-powered burst of radiation. But avoiding the constant, steady assault of cosmic radiation presents a greater challenge. And no one on the ISS has yet to experience the full radiation dangers that would be seen on a three-year mission to Mars and back; the maximum amount of time anyone has spent on the space station is 14 months.

A thicker hull can help block lower-energy cosmic rays, but any high-powered rays can easily pass through, Turner notes. Plus, doubling the nominal thickness of a spaceship hull only reduces the threat to astronauts by about 10 percent, a number that depends on the nature of both the rays and the shielding. That extra shielding also adds weight to a spacecraft, limiting what can be devoted to supplies for science and survival.

Turner says the best way to mitigate the danger from cosmic rays won't come from shielding. Instead, he thinks the solution will come from reducing the time astronauts spend traveling to and from other worlds. Once humans touch down on Mars, the bulk of the planet will provide significant protection, effectively halving the amount of radiation that makes it through. While Mars’ thin atmosphere won't provide the same shield as Earth's thick layer of gases, it, too, will reduce the cosmic rays that reach explorers on the surface.

To understand how cosmic rays will affect human explorers, scientists will first need to measure the properties of the sun's magnetic field at a given time. "The better we know the galactic cosmic ray environment that we're sending our astronauts into, the better we can plan missions and understand the effect of a mission on the astronauts," says Turner. With that information, researchers might be able to forecast the effects of cosmic radiation a year or two before a mission launches, allowing better planning for specific space weather. That would be like knowing if an approaching storm on Earth were a hurricane or a thunderstorm; the information can help when tailoring protective measures.

Scientists are now gaining a better understanding of what cosmic rays look like outside of the sun’s protective shield by using data collected by the Voyager 1 spacecraft, which left the solar system in 2012. This should help them better understand how the changing solar activity affects the rays.

http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/e0/69/e0696406-eac4-4c49-81e6-6471e66e02dd/389989main_ray_surge_heliosphere09_hi.jpg

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Inside the heliosphere, the solar system is partially protected from cosmic rays. (Walt Feimer/NASA GSFC's Conceptual Image Lab)
Voyager 1 "is the only instrument that humanity has made that has managed to get into the interstellar medium, the one part where we are outside of the influence of the solar magnetic field," says Ilias Cholis, a postdoctoral researcher at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland.

While Voyager 1 probes the cosmic radiation outside of the sun's reach, instruments such as the Russian satellite-based Payload for Antimatter Exploration and Light-nuclei Astrophysics (PAMELA) and the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer (AMS) onboard the ISS sample it from inside the solar system. Comparing measurements from each of these sources is helping Cholis and other researchers to understand how the sun's activity has altered the dangerous radiation in the past, and how it could modify the radiation in future solar cycles. Together, these spacecraft and instruments are increasing the amount of information on cosmic rays, and this will only improve as time goes by.

Cholis and his colleagues, for instance, recently used new data from Voyager 1 to modify existing formulas that describe how the sun's magnetic field affects cosmic rays. Many cosmic rays come from supernovas—the explosion of a massive star that sends charged particles shooting outward. Unlike light from the explosion, the energetic material doesn't travel in a straight line but instead bounces off gas and dust in space in what Cholis described as "a very zigzag kind of path." That can make it difficult to determine where individual cosmic rays come from, especially once they pass into the solar system.

By stepping outside of the sun's influence, Cholis and his colleagues hoped to do a better job of identifying the source and properties of the rays. Not only will this help them learn more about where the energetic particles come from, but it can also improve understanding of their effects on humans, especially those traveling in space.

Radiation is “a risk we need to learn more about over the next decade so we can do the proper mitigation, so we can do the best we can for the astronauts who are going to be putting their lives at risk for a number of different threats," Turner says. But the optimum solution might be the one that, for now, seems difficult—going faster and avoiding as much radiation as possible. He says, "The best bang for the buck is advanced propulsion, not shielding."

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/radiation-remains-problem-any-mission-mars-180959092/#CchsGXMfIq3JMuYp.99


Now, put this article together with this information and what does this tell you?

Is the moon below, in or above Earth’s atmosphere?

At its closest point of orbit, the Moon is 363,300 kilometres (225,700 miles) from Earth, while at its furthest point it is over 384,400 kilometres (238,900 miles) away.

The exosphere is the uppermost layer of Earth’s atmosphere and marks a transitional zone between the atmosphere’s lower layers and interplanetary space. The exosphere is comprised of various light gases, which include hydrogen, helium, carbon dioxide and atomic oxygen.

At its lowest point, which lies at the upper boundary of the thermosphere and is referred to as the exobase, the exosphere is about 480 kilometres (300 miles) above the terrestrial surface of Earth. The beginning of the exosphere varies, however, and no fixed point can be remarked, leading to the exosphere being roughly characterised by a reading of negligible atomic particle collisions, which reduce continuously the further the exosphere extends into space.

At the exosphere’s upper boundary, which is technically theoretical, its altitude above our planet is approximately 190,000 kilometres (120,000 miles), which is roughly half the distance to the Moon.

As such, regardless of where the Moon is in its orbit of Earth, it always lies outside and above our planet’s exosphere

http://www.howitworksdaily.com/is-the-moon-below-in-or-above-earths-atmosphere/

singular_me
19th May 2016, 06:28 PM
moon landing hoax confirmed... bump

Joshua01
19th May 2016, 08:13 PM
moon landing hoax confirmed... bump

Damn shame. I was glued to my TV set as a boy during all of that. I bought it hook line and sinker. Only now do I realize it was impossible to do back in the late 60's, early 70's

.41Dave
20th May 2016, 12:07 PM
Radiation exposure is not just the level of radiation, but the amount of time you're exposed. The article is talking about the difficulty of protecting astronauts from radiation for a period of 3 years, which is a vastly different and more difficult problem than the 8 to 12 days exposure of the Apollo missions. Maybe the moon landings were a hoax, maybe not, but this article doesn't disprove them.

singular_me
20th May 2016, 12:39 PM
good observation but wouldnt a 8-12 exposure make someone seriously sick nonetheless?

sure, I am of the opinion that there hasnt been any moon landing in the 60s-70s, but maybe this article is also kinda biased since it doesnt take into account the 600Tn space black budget, started in the the early 80s, and which is far ahead in term of deep space traveling


Radiation exposure is not just the level of radiation, but the amount of time you're exposed. The article is talking about the difficulty of protecting astronauts from radiation for a period of 3 years, which is a vastly different and more difficult problem than the 8 to 12 days exposure of the Apollo missions. Maybe the moon landings were a hoax, maybe not, but this article doesn't disprove them.

.41Dave
20th May 2016, 01:19 PM
good observation but wouldnt a 8-12 exposure make someone seriously sick nonetheless?

sure, I am of the opinion that there hasnt been any moon landing in the 60s-70s, but maybe this article is also kinda biased since it doesnt take into account the 600Tn space black budget, started in the the early 80s, and which is far ahead in term of deep space traveling

No, 8-12 days would not be likely to make anyone sick. We have a pretty good idea about how much radiation exposure you'd get on a 3 year round trip to mars from the measurements taken by various probes. That amount is about 1 sievert, which is approximately 300 times more than the 9 millisieverts of background radiation you'd normally be exposed to on Earth during the same time. This is enough to raise your lifetime cancer risk from 41% to about 61%. So the problem is not astronauts dying from acute radiation poisoning in deep space, but the fact that NASA rules limit astronauts to a 3% increase in cancer risk before being grounded, and a Mars mission without some sort of increased radiation shielding would be a 20% increase.

So the kicker is government rules about cancer risk levels, not that the astronauts couldn't make it there without dying of radiation poisoning.

singular_me
20th May 2016, 05:56 PM
of course, this provided that the technology from back then (50+ years ago) was as good as which of today's mainstream records, and this article is based on this assessment. But yet again, I'd tend to think that black budget technology could do it, they are so far ahead.

unfortunately the moon landing equipment and machinery was quite cartoonish


No, 8-12 days would not be likely to make anyone sick. We have a pretty good idea about how much radiation exposure you'd get on a 3 year round trip to mars from the measurements taken by various probes. That amount is about 1 sievert, which is approximately 300 times more than the 9 millisieverts of background radiation you'd normally be exposed to on Earth during the same time. This is enough to raise your lifetime cancer risk from 41% to about 61%. So the problem is not astronauts dying from acute radiation poisoning in deep space, but the fact that NASA rules limit astronauts to a 3% increase in cancer risk before being grounded, and a Mars mission without some sort of increased radiation shielding would be a 20% increase.

So the kicker is government rules about cancer risk levels, not that the astronauts couldn't make it there without dying of radiation poisoning.