Hillary Clinton pushes for reinstatement of national 55 mph limit

[Cebu_4_2]

Hillary Clinton pushes for reinstatement of national 55 mph limit

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/05/24/hillary-clinton-pushes-for-reinstatement-of-national-55-mph-limi/

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, ex-First Lady and likely future presidential candidate threw out an odd legal suggestion to the National Press Club this week: a nationwide return to the double-nickel. According to Clinton, "The 55-mile speed limit really does lower gas usage. And wherever it can be required, and the people will accept it, we ought to do it..."

The announcement comes as a surprise, despite rising gas prices and increased pressure from environmentalists, as it is unlikely to prove popular with voters.Naturally, that's not the only automotive issue on her mind... among other four-wheeled initiatives, Clinton reported that she is pushing for 50 percent of America's gas stations to offer ethanol by 2015, with 100 percent by 2025.

Sammy Hagar was unavailable for comment.
[Sources: The New York Post; Wayne State University via Autolife]

[midnight rambler]

To help out all her pals getting ethanol subsidies. Nice. At least she's consistent.

[Joshua01]

This woman is the epitome of evil

[Cebu_4_2]

Funny thing is that car mileage in the US has stayed pretty much the same since the early '90s.

All gas here has 10% methanol which drops my mileage 3-4 per gallon. Cars that drive up the hill going past my house smell like chlorine, not sure why.

[Ares]

A good portion of the gas stations here in South Carolina offer ethanol free gasoline. I got 10% better gas mileage off of one tank full. The bad news is that it's far more expensive than the subsidized ethanol gasoline. It's also 94 octane which is good for high compression ratio engines.

[Cebu_4_2]

A good portion of the gas stations here in South Carolina offer ethanol free gasoline. I got 10% better gas mileage off of one tank full. The bad news is that it's far more expensive than the subsidized ethanol gasoline. It's also 94 octane which is good for high compression ratio engines.

There are only 2 stations offering methanol free gas but it is 89 octane which wont run in my cars. No mid or premium grades anywhere in this state as far as I know.

[Neuro]

Funny thing is that car mileage in the US has stayed pretty much the same since the early '90s.

All gas here has 10% methanol which drops my mileage 3-4 per gallon. Cars that drive up the hill going past my house smell like chlorine, not sure why.
They try to poison you? ;D

[Neuro]

A good portion of the gas stations here in South Carolina offer ethanol free gasoline. I got 10% better gas mileage off of one tank full. The bad news is that it's far more expensive than the subsidized ethanol gasoline. It's also 94 octane which is good for high compression ratio engines.

In Europe most prevailing octanes are 95 and 97!

[Ares]

In Europe most prevailing octanes are 95 and 97!

87 is the common grade gasoline here. Since I bought a European car I put in 93 to 94 octane. Sometimes I'll go ethanol free all depends on how the budget is doing and I stop at the gas station that offers the ethanol free kind. :-)

[Cebu_4_2]

In Europe most prevailing octanes are 95 and 97!


I believe there is a different rating system there.

[JohnQPublic]

I have no issue with OFFERING ethanol at fuel stations. I've been to gas stations in Brazil where they OFFERED gasoline (multigrades), diesel, ethanol, or natural gas. The key is in the word OFFERING, as opposed to MANDATING. Of course in Brazil, they were not offering diesel automobiles, rather they MANDATED that only trucks could use diesel, but then again, at its core, Brazil is socialist.

[Neuro]

I believe there is a different rating system there.

Yes you are correct. According to Wikipedia your rating system, shows numbers that are 4-6 points lower than the European system, so our 95 would be equivalent to around 90 in the US, and 97 around 92... Didn't know that before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

[Neuro]

I have no issue with OFFERING ethanol at fuel stations. I've been to gas stations in Brazil where they OFFERED gasoline (multigrades), diesel, ethanol, or natural gas. The key is in the word OFFERING, as opposed to MANDATING. Of course in Brazil, they were not offering diesel automobiles, rather they MANDATED that only trucks could use diesel, but then again, at its core, Brazil is socialist.
As I understand it there are many Diesel engine car models in Europe that are not allowed to be sold in the US... The mileage of Diesel engines are superior to gas, with equivalent performance... I love my Diesel engine Jaguar I bought from my dad before he passed away. It consumes about 5.5 liters/100 km, which would be about 40-45 mpg I think, and I am not driving slow. Acceleration is phenomenal.

It is actually a 2.2 liter Ford Mondeo Diesel rated at around 160 hp. Are cars with that engine available in the US?

[General of Darkness]

As I understand it there are many Diesel engine car models in Europe that are not allowed to be sold in the US... The mileage of Diesel engines are superior to gas, with equivalent performance... I love my Diesel engine Jaguar I bought from my dad before he passed away. It consumes about 5.5 liters/100 km, which would be about 40-45 mpg I think, and I am not driving slow. Acceleration is phenomenal.

It is actually a 2.2 liter Ford Mondeo Diesel rated at around 160 hp. Are cars with that engine available in the US?

In about 60 days I'll be driving my Ram 2500 in Europe, gets 24 miles to the gallon, but can pull 10,000 lbs. \uu\

[Neuro]

In about 60 days I'll be driving my Ram 2500 in Europe, gets 24 miles to the gallon, but can pull 10,000 lbs. \uu\

Do you think European roads can handle a monster like that?

[Cebu_4_2]

As I understand it there are many Diesel engine car models in Europe that are not allowed to be sold in the US... The mileage of Diesel engines are superior to gas, with equivalent performance...

Just incase you missed this that I posted a couple times before:
50 plus MPG cars not allowed in the U.S. or Canadahttp://www.jimstonefreelance.com/50plus.html

[Glass]

In about 60 days I'll be driving my Ram 2500 in Europe, gets 24 miles to the gallon, but can pull 10,000 lbs. \uu\

24mpg and 10,000lbs wont occur at the same time unfortunately. Would be good if they did. They run a Cummins engine? very good donk. Will outlast the chassis by a long margin.

[General of Darkness]

24mpg and 10,000lbs wont occur at the same time unfortunately. Would be good if they did. They run a Cummins engine? very good donk. Will outlast the chassis by a long margin.

Got guys with 500K miles on their trucks. The point was that it's all perspective, but at the end of the day this CUNT just wants to control everything, and it has NO bearing on saving xy or z. She's a cunt that needs to spend the rest of her life in jail for murder, genocide and crimes against humanity.

[Glass]

Got guys with 500K miles on their trucks. The point was that it's all perspective, but at the end of the day this CUNT just wants to control everything, and it has NO bearing on saving xy or z. She's a cunt that needs to spend the rest of her life in jail for murder, genocide and crimes against humanity.

yea I think you would do way more than a million on one of those engines. Looking at your highway video in the other thread you'll be getting good mileage for sure. Don't know about those contraflow's. Looks almost like a permanent one. An EU favorite, although the ones in France and Germany can go 50+ miles.

yes she only wants to make her mark, which is basically fucking it up for everyone else. These people are mentally disturbed. They shouldn't be amongst the public but no one is going to lock them away. A deranged society doesn't see there is anything wrong. They think it's normal.

[collector]

Maybe I'm out of touch with the general public but I really can't see why she'd release this plan before the election. Who would want reduced speed limits? What's her target audience? It seems to me that she'd lose way more votes than she'd gain.
Any thoughts?

[cheka.]

Just incase you missed this that I posted a couple times before:
50 plus MPG cars not allowed in the U.S. or Canadahttp://www.jimstonefreelance.com/50plus.html

my gf in college had one of these -- in the 80's....highway was even better than advertised here - 49 city/52 hiway:

30 years later...and no better....but worse. criminals

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/14-1991-CRX-HF-Ad-RT-12-90.jpg

[Ares]

my gf in college had one of these -- in the 80's....highway was even better than advertised here - 49 city/52 hiway:

30 years later...and no better....but worse. criminals

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/14-1991-CRX-HF-Ad-RT-12-90.jpg

But but but laws of thermal dynamics... etc. etc. etc.......


Yeah 50mpg back in the 80s with no Hybrid technology. Makes you wonder how efficient internal combustion engines could be with collusion between government (fuel tax revenue) and kick backs to the auto makers for keeping them less efficient out of the way.

[ximmy]

The High Cost of the 55 MPH Speed Limit
Interstate truckers feel that the speed limit drives up the cost of transporting goods. Drivers in the plains states who travel vast distances on almost empty roads feel that it causes needless and costly delays unwarrant ed and ill-advised intrusion by the federal government into an area traditionally reserved to the states remains federal law-despite the fact that its original purpose no longer needs seking.
The speed limit was enacted by Congress in March 1974 as part o f a package of measures dealing with the oil crisis mph, it was thought, was the most efficient use of an auto's engine and thus would save fuel. As it turned out, however, the energy actually saved was minimal-at best 1 percent of gasoline consumption or about the same amount a driver could realize by increasing the pressure of his radial tires from 24 to 26 pounds And state officials feel .that the NMSL is an Yet the 55 mph limit Cruising at 55 In the face of this data, speed limit advocates shifted grou nd.


They'.now touted 55 mph as a way to save lives first year of 55 mph on the law books, traffic fatalities plummeted an astounding 15.3 percent Indeed, during the While many states have objected to the NMSL, they did little to oppose it harsh penalties. Any state found in noncompliance (defined as having more than 50 percent of its drivers going faster than 55 mph for two successive years) could lose part or all of its federal highway funds. For another thing, since advocates of,the limit justified it on the basis of saving lives, any politician opposed to it found herself or himself painted as favoring more traffic fatalities.
Fipally, despite the evidence, the public thought that the speed limit actually saved a great deal of fuel. Thus while many oppos ed the NMSL rhetorically, there was little pressure for repeal This year, the situation changed dramatically. Ronald Reagan now has gone on record favoring repeal of 'the NMSL. Senator WhicI

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1986/09/the-high-cost-of-the-55-mph-speed-limit

[collector]

my gf in college had one of these -- in the 80's....highway was even better than advertised here - 49 city/52 hiway:

30 years later...and no better....but worse. criminals

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/14-1991-CRX-HF-Ad-RT-12-90.jpg


I can remember buying a 1986 used Honda Accord. The car had a 5 speed manual transmission and a carbureator. Simple to work on, parts were not expensive and I used to get close to 30mpg around town and even better mileage on the highway.
Today, cars are indeed much more fuel inefficient, expensive to fix and overly complicated

[collector]

The High Cost of the 55 MPH Speed Limit


Interstate truckers feel that the speed limit drives up the cost of transporting goods. Drivers in the plains states who travel vast distances on almost empty roads feel that it causes needless and costly delays unwarrant ed and ill-advised intrusion by the federal government into an area traditionally reserved to the states remains federal law-despite the fact that its original purpose no longer needs seking.
The speed limit was enacted by Congress in March 1974 as part o f a package of measures dealing with the oil crisis mph, it was thought, was the most efficient use of an auto's engine and thus would save fuel. As it turned out, however, the energy actually saved was minimal-at best 1 percent of gasoline consumption or about the same amount a driver could realize by increasing the pressure of his radial tires from 24 to 26 pounds And state officials feel .that the NMSL is an Yet the 55 mph limit Cruising at 55 In the face of this data, speed limit advocates shifted grou nd.


They'.now touted 55 mph as a way to save lives first year of 55 mph on the law books, traffic fatalities plummeted an astounding 15.3 percent Indeed, during the While many states have objected to the NMSL, they did little to oppose it harsh penalties. Any state found in noncompliance (defined as having more than 50 percent of its drivers going faster than 55 mph for two successive years) could lose part or all of its federal highway funds. For another thing, since advocates of,the limit justified it on the basis of saving lives, any politician opposed to it found herself or himself painted as favoring more traffic fatalities.
Fipally, despite the evidence, the public thought that the speed limit actually saved a great deal of fuel. Thus while many oppos ed the NMSL rhetorically, there was little pressure for repeal This year, the situation changed dramatically. Ronald Reagan now has gone on record favoring repeal of 'the NMSL. Senator WhicI

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1986/09/the-high-cost-of-the-55-mph-speed-limit


I think today people realize what a joke that all was. The true benefactors of the 55mph are the states, courts and law enforcement.

[madfranks]

But but but laws of thermal dynamics... etc. etc. etc.......


Yeah 50mpg back in the 80s with no Hybrid technology. Makes you wonder how efficient internal combustion engines could be with collusion between government (fuel tax revenue) and kick backs to the auto makers for keeping them less efficient out of the way.

The collusion isn't inefficient engines, it's that modern cars in America have to weigh almost a ton more to comply with crash mandates and other "safety" regulations. For example, all new cars sold in America must be able to survive a roll over crash impact without the roof collapsing, which means more heavy steel in the frame. It's a catch 22, we have about as efficient internal combustion engines as you can get, but coupled with much, much heavier cars, so there really is little to no gain in fuel efficiency.

Eric Peters explains it way better than I can:

http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/05/16/theyre-heavy-fragile/

[Cebu_4_2]

The collusion isn't inefficient engines, it's that modern cars in America have to weigh almost a ton more to comply with crash mandates and other "safety" regulations. For example, all new cars sold in America must be able to survive a roll over crash impact without the roof collapsing, which means more heavy steel in the frame. It's a catch 22, we have about as efficient internal combustion engines as you can get, but coupled with much, much heavier cars, so there really is little to no gain in fuel efficiency.

Eric Peters explains it way better than I can:

http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/05/16/theyre-heavy-fragile/

Has more to do with how the EPA mandates emmision levels. In the USi and Canadia. In the US and CA the rules are emmision levels per gallon of fuel while other places mandate emmision per mile.

[monty]

We need to elect people at the local level with enough backbone to tell the feds to take their grants and shove them. You would see a return of a few lost liberties and states rights.

[midnight rambler]

We need to elect people at the local level with enough backbone to tell the feds to take their grants and shove them. You would see a return of a few lost liberties and states rights.

What?!?!?!?? And give up free money?

[monty]

What?!?!?!?? And give up free money?

Right! It's only free money! No strings attached.*

*ignore the noose around your neck, you won't feel a thing.

[Ares]

The collusion isn't inefficient engines, it's that modern cars in America have to weigh almost a ton more to comply with crash mandates and other "safety" regulations. For example, all new cars sold in America must be able to survive a roll over crash impact without the roof collapsing, which means more heavy steel in the frame. It's a catch 22, we have about as efficient internal combustion engines as you can get, but coupled with much, much heavier cars, so there really is little to no gain in fuel efficiency.

Eric Peters explains it way better than I can:

http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/05/16/theyre-heavy-fragile/

Interesting observation. My previous car was a 2005 Nissan Altima 3.5SL. It has a curb weight of 3,432 lbs. With my new job I ended up getting a car that I've had my eye on for a while now. I upgraded to a 2015 BMW 335i and it has a curb weight of 3,571 lbs. Here's the kicker, the BMW is actually shorter than the Altima and is 139 lbs heavier. The BMW cranks out 48HP more than the Altima. It also outputs 45 more ft. lbs of torque but at a much lower RPM than the Altima.

Until the link you sent me, I was still confused as to how and why a smaller car was 139 lbs heavier. It's the structural steel.

[Glass]

I guess if they want the roof to have the structural integrity of a SAAB then it's going to weigh a bit.

We seem to mimic euroNCAP standards. I wonder what they think about roofs and roll overs?

[Neuro]

I spoke with a patient of mine the other day, he is teaching chemistry at an Istanbul University. I asked him if it was organic or inorganic chemistry, he said a bit of both as he was researching fuel cells. He said that you can nowadays have up to 82% energy conversion fuel to electricity, and pretty much any hydrocarbon fuel can be used, and they don't even need to be particularly pure either. So if you run an electric wheel engine with an efficiency of 90% electric to kinetic, it means you'll have an efficiency at more than 70%. The vehicle can be made much lighter as it's frame doesn't have to support a heavy engine or batteries. You could probably get 200 mpg with a vehicle like that...

[monty]

http://s19.postimg.org/7uedeyo2r/image.jpg

[cheka.]

charts dispute the theory about dramatic drop in mpg is because safer/thicker steel. if that was the case the death rates should drop along with the drop in mpg. was it enviro mods to cars? or less aerodynamic? or makers stopped caring about mpg...trading that for power? more questions than solid theories..

http://netdna.carinsurancelist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/car-accidents-by-gender.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/U.S._traffic_deaths_as_fraction_of_total_populatio n_1900-2010.png

[hoarder]

24mpg and 10,000lbs wont occur at the same time unfortunately. Would be good if they did. They run a Cummins engine? very good donk. Will outlast the chassis by a long margin.Eighteen wheeler semi- trucks are 80,000 pounds gross and get 8 to 9 MPG. They go 300,000 miles on an in-frame overhaul, blocks and cranks don't have to be serviced until a million miles or so. The Cummins in Dodge pickups are very good throw-away engines.

[goldleaf]

If all vehicles were getting 50+ mpg, fuel would probably be 5 or 6 bucks a gallon, most of it in taxes to maintain the highways.

[palani]

I expect Hillarity would rather everyone riding the backs of donkeys while she occupied a stateroom on the Queen Mary.

[Glass]

I expect Hillarity would rather everyone riding the backs of donkeys while she occupied a stateroom on the Queen Mary.

wasn't Queen Mary black?

[Neuro]

charts dispute the theory about dramatic drop in mpg is because safer/thicker steel. if that was the case the death rates should drop along with the drop in mpg. was it enviro mods to cars? or less aerodynamic? or makers stopped caring about mpg...trading that for power? more questions than solid theories..

http://netdna.carinsurancelist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/car-accidents-by-gender.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/U.S._traffic_deaths_as_fraction_of_total_populatio n_1900-2010.png
Heavier vehicles doesn't just protect you more it also kills others more!