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EE_
23rd June 2016, 07:44 AM
If more people are leaving the land of milk and honey, who's staying? Is the next real estate collapse on the way?

California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents
By George Avalos, gavalos@bayareanewsgroup.com
POSTED: 06/20/2016 04:23:28 PM PDT | UPDATED: 2 DAYS AGO

Faced with the exorbitant rising costs of Bay Area living, Priya Govindarajan and Ajay Patel pack up their apartment in San Francisco, Calif., Thursday, 2016, preparing for their move to North Carolina. (Karl Mondon/Bay Area News Group)

One-third of Bay Area residents hope to leave soon, poll finds
Living in San Jose, Kathleen Eaton seemingly had it all: a well-paying job, a home in a gated community, even the Bay Area's temperate weather.

But enduring a daily grind that made her feel like a "gerbil on a wheel," Eaton reached her limit.

Skyrocketing costs for housing, food and gasoline, along with the area's insufferable gridlock, prompted the four-decade Bay Area resident to seek greener pastures -- 2,000 miles away in Ohio.

"It was a struggle in California," Eaton said. "It was a very difficult place to live. ... It's a vicious circle."

Eaton is far from alone.

A growing number of Bay Area residents -- besieged by home prices, worsening traffic, high taxes and a generally more expensive cost of living -- believe life would be better just about anywhere else but here.

Faced with the exorbitant costs of living in the Bay Area, Priya Govindarajan packs up her family's apartment in San Francisco, Calif., Thursday afternoon, June 9, 2016, preparing for a move back to North Carolina. (Karl Mondon/Bay Area News Group)

During the 12 months ending June 30, the number of people leaving California for another state exceeded by 61,100 the number who moved here from elsewhere in the U.S., according to state Finance Department statistics. The so-called "net outward migration" was the largest since 2011, when 63,300 more people fled California than entered.

"The main factors are housing costs in many parts of the state, including coastal regions of California such as the Bay Area," said Dan Hamilton, director of economics with the Economic Forecasting Center at California Lutheran University in Thousand Oaks.

"California has seen negative outward migration to other states for 22 of the last 25 years."

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A recent poll revealed that an unsettling sense of yearning has descended on people in the Bay Area: About one-third of those surveyed by the Bay Area Council say they would like to exit the nine-county region sometime soon.

"They are tired of the expense of living here. They are tired of the state of California and the endless taxes here," said Scott McElfresh, a certified moving consultant. "People are getting soaked every time they turn around."

The area's sizzling job market and robust economy have created a domino effect: income spikes for highly trained workers, more people packing the area's roads, red-hot demand for housing.

What's more, the technology boom has unleashed a hiring spree that has intensified the desire for homes anywhere near the job hubs of Santa Clara County, the East Bay and San Francisco. The South Bay job market has hit an all-time high after a 5,800-position surge in May, fueling an overall gain of 3,400 jobs for the Bay Area, according to a state labor report released Friday.

The region's soaring housing prices are a key factor driving dissatisfied residents toward the exit door. Several people who have departed, or soon will leave, say they potentially could have hundreds of thousands of dollars left over even after buying a house in their new locations.

"They're taking advantage of the housing bubble right now," McElfresh said. "The majority of the people we are seeing are moving to states that don't have state income taxes."

Thomas Norman, of San Francisco, said he and his wife, Patricia, are seriously considering leaving the Bay Area. They have actively scouted for houses in the Rocky Mountains region, including a trip to Colorado to look for prospective homes.

"The inconvenience of the Bay Area is a major factor," said Thomas Norman, a lifelong Bay Area resident burdened by a two-hour round-trip commute to an East Bay optometry practice. "The traffic is very bad. It is becoming more congested with all the housing that is being added here."

Eaton, who left the South Bay to relocate near Dayton, Ohio, cited the high cost of living as a major factor driving her decision. The struggle to make ends meet became too much.

"You can't get ahead," Eaton said. "It's more than the cost of living; it's the high taxes."

Eaton and her sister had a $724,000 house in The Villages in South San Jose that they sold before moving to Ohio. Their mortgage payments were $2,200 a month, plus $1,000 for association fees in the gated community. They were able to pay $300,000 in cash for their new home in Ohio.

Priya Govindarajan, a San Francisco resident, is planning to leave the Bay Area at the end of June and head with her husband, Ajay Patel, to North Carolina.

Govindarajan, who works in the consumer packaged goods industry, and her husband, who is in the medical profession, determined that their wages aren't going far enough to cover their living expenses.

Living in UC San Francisco housing, the couple pays $2,100 a month in rent. And they have to cough up $1,900 a month for child care.

"My husband's salary would be in the six figures, but six figures is not enough to cover the rent, day care (and) food prices," Govindarajan said. "It all starts to add up."

Govindarajan said she figures they can put down 20 percent on a nice house in North Carolina and have a monthly payment of $1,800 -- which would include the mortgage, property taxes and insurance.

"I get why people want to live in the Bay Area, I really do," Govindarajan said. "But it is so difficult to live here, especially for people coming here for the first time."

Some experts believe the boom in the Bay Area has exacerbated the problem of income inequality and the resentment that can accompany that economic reality.

"There is a declining middle class in the Bay Area," said Christopher Hoene, executive director of the California Budget & Policy Center, a research group that recently completed a study about income inequality in Silicon Valley. "Widening income inequality can create polarization socially and economically."

In 1989, the middle class accounted for 56 percent of all households in Silicon Valley, but by 2013, that share had slipped to 45.7 percent, the study found.

"The region's middle class has shrunk, while the numbers of lower-income and higher-income households has grown," the report stated. Silicon Valley, for the purposes of the study, consists of Santa Clara County, San Mateo County and San Francisco.

Lower-income residents accounted for 30.3 percent of Silicon Valley's households in 1989, and that number grew to 34.8 percent in 2013. Upper-income residents had 13.7 percent of the share of households in 1989, and that figure swelled to 19.5 percent in 2013, the study found.

"A lot of middle-class jobs have vaporized," said Russell Hancock, president of San Jose-based Joint Venture Silicon Valley. "The support positions, the assembly line positions, the jobs that paid the middle class -- a lot of those have gone away."

A big chunk of the jobs that are being created in the Bay Area are in the high-tech sector, which requires specialized skill sets to fill them. When jobs that would cater to the middle class wane, that can force people to relocate -- in many cases, out of the Bay Area entirely.

"This summer, I have booked more business than in any of the other 27 years that I've been working," said McElfresh, the moving consultant. "People are packing up and leaving."

Eaton, while happy to have escaped the high cost of living and traffic, recently found herself longing for one Bay Area staple -- its mild weather.

"There's a huge thunderstorm overhead," Eaton said while talking to a reporter. "Got to get used to that, I guess."

mick silver
23rd June 2016, 07:55 AM
welfare state

cheka.
23rd June 2016, 11:55 AM
when building the wall, need to put cali on the outside.....or better yet, that whole coast.

Cebu_4_2
23rd June 2016, 03:26 PM
when building the wall, need to put cali on the outside.....or better yet, that whole coast.


Like this?

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Joshua01
23rd June 2016, 03:28 PM
Shoot them as they cross the state line so their virus won't pervasively spread to the rest of the country

Twisted Titan
23rd June 2016, 09:52 PM
The biggest problem is those yuppies go scorched earth and then find greener pastures then they repeat

cheka.
23rd June 2016, 11:23 PM
Like this?

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8308

can you get those fags/metros in seattle too?

Cebu_4_2
23rd June 2016, 11:30 PM
can you get those fags/metros in seattle too?


That would have to be an addendum after the primary wall is built. The one you're talking about will be paid for by Canadia, and they will pay for it.

PatColo
24th June 2016, 02:04 AM
when i sold a san mateo property in 2010, word was incoming chink $ was propping up & inflating the market. Rich chinese looking to expat their ill gotten wealth abroad. I sold to a chinese who'd flown in the night before from HK, to property shop. A little bidding war developed between them and a US family (hispanic name; never met any of them...); the chinese handily out bid the other party.

"The bottom" of that mini bay area crash appears to have been ~1.5 year later about the top of 2012, when it turned the corner and has since exceeded its former '05-06 highs... :(

I've heard buzz from Ozers & Kiwis that they're having the same phenom in their countries... making housing/land prices unaffordable for the natives.

hoarder
24th June 2016, 04:30 AM
We don't have Chinese moving in to Montana, just Californians, Texans and Floridians coming here to escape the influx there.

Horn
24th June 2016, 03:59 PM
I've heard buzz from Ozers & Kiwis that they're having the same phenom in their countries... making housing/land prices unaffordable for the natives.

Many from OZ and NZ repeat that here in C.R. building new ones on what little land is permitted is having 0 effect.

PatColo
24th June 2016, 05:41 PM
^ huh? :|~

you lose me on at least half of your posts, but in this anomalous instance I'm actually curious what you mean? o)(~

Santa
24th June 2016, 06:59 PM
But who's gonna pay for the condom around Florida? Puerto Rico? Cuba?

Cebu_4_2
24th June 2016, 07:12 PM
But who's gonna pay for the condom around Florida? Puerto Rico? Cuba?

Canadia obviously.

palani
24th June 2016, 07:13 PM
Cancer grows in the same manner. It starts as a small spot and pretty much consumes the corpse.

California is an advanced state of decay. A condition of QUARANTINE should be implemented post haste. Allowing the disease to spread to healthy parts is criminal.

Glass
24th June 2016, 09:42 PM
But who's gonna pay for the condom around Florida? Puerto Rico? Cuba?

duh ...Mexico

so sayeth the Trump. The wall just has to run a little bit north. I see it as a win win. Mexico gets what it wants and so does the US.

and as a bonus they get Hollywood. Really when you think about it, it is the perfect solution. I can't think of a single down side.

As for Oz, yes here we allow foreigners to 100% own property. That is not allowed in any Asian country I know of and I think it's the same in central south america and the middle east.

So consequently we have a huge influx of foreign buyers. in some suburbs there are less than 10% owner occupiers - i.e. homes now. Nearly all rentals. We also have a thing here called Negative Gearing, where a property owner can claim losses or negative property income against their personal income tax.

so basically they get welfare from the government. This means if you get to a certain position you never pay income tax and the tax payer subsidizes your property wealth.

As a result it causes house price inflation and forces first time buyers to pay much more than natural house prices would be. The other thing we have now is a limit on living area to land area ratios which mean developers have to build apartments on land because the old ratios of 2 x land area to housing area has shrunk to 1:1 and now it is about 0.05:1 meaning they have to build apartments.

Of course there are also a lot of idiots paying $400,000 for 2 bedroom apartments now, where as that money should get you a 200m2 house on 800m2 of land.

And the apartment buildings all have guaranteed subsidized rental allocations - section 8. So you pay $500,000 for a 3 bedroom apartment where 10% of the tenants are subsidized trailer trash.

and I look at the construction being used. These buildings will need demolishing in 30 years. The internal walls are made from compressed/sandwiched styrene. Complete rubbish. I drive past and all I see is a future slum.

Horn
24th June 2016, 10:05 PM
^ huh? :|~

you lose me on at least half of your posts, but in this anomalous instance I'm actually curious what you mean? o)(~

Building new homes on what little land permitted to in Australia does little to keep the price down (supply/demand), layman.

forgive the cellphone shorthand, is what I know from Australians here in Costa Rica

PatColo
25th June 2016, 08:01 AM
so r u saying oz & nz'ers are the ones building new homes on the limited cr land? or chinks?


Many from OZ and NZ repeat that here in C.R. building new ones on what little land is permitted is having 0 effect.

from your ambiguous post ^ it appears u mean the former; so are they there in cr in per capita numbers exceeding what we'd expect from their national populations... AU ~25M, NZ ~5M ppl. If so, u know of what might account for this?

Horn
25th June 2016, 08:24 AM
I've heard buzz from Ozers & Kiwis that they're having the same phenom in their countries... making housing/land prices unaffordable for the natives.

Is there some huge demand for housing coming from Aborigines in Australia, I had not heard that their populations are booming?

No. Australians that visit here repeat the same "buzz" you mentioned from Ozers.

The problem here Pat, is you must learn to understand your own mumbo jumbo firstly.:)sal

Horn
25th June 2016, 08:37 AM
The Chinese are building some small towers here in C.R. in combo bank/.gov exclusive project condos.$$.C most are expected to be filled by them also,*me tinks) I've yet to see many (Chinese) that can take the red tape to import/relocate here though. Demand for Chinese themselves is flat to slow.

PatColo
25th June 2016, 09:27 AM
ok I think I've got ur gist now... so in short; the EUers are being invaded by scary moozies; N.America mostly by latin 'murkans but also by a "rich chink" element (esp west coast metro areas incl vancouver Can); and AU/NZ mostly by rich chinks.

So if ur fortunate enough to be ON the property ownership cash train down under; you enjoy the chink invasion w/consequent property value inflation (as I did & do as an SFBA CA owner); but if ur not an owner down under; you curse the chinks for artificially inflating prices beyond your reach.

One thing I don't hear much about is, are the chinks invading EU much? Off hand it seems they prefer metro areas where there's already a base of chinese sub-population & culture already; chinatown(s) with their markets, restaurants, etc... so maybe less the case in EU countries?

Horn
25th June 2016, 09:45 AM
Reminds me of when i offered a Chinese market owner here some remote bachfront property to build, He looked at me like he were scared for life.

They like Americans more, others are too cheap or discerning for them.