Michael......

[Camp Bassfish]

On Saturday I lost my 27 year old nephew. He took his own life. Michael was a graduate of Clarkson University who majored in chemical engineering. He was hired by IBM right out of school and was making north of 100 grand. He was an accomplished hiker who had spent 30 days two summers ago hiking the Vermont Long Trail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Trail. He spent last summer in the Swiss Alps on another hiking excursion. Michael was preparing for a yearlong sabbatical from work to go to New Zealand where he had made arrangements to hike the countryside and teach the benefits organic farming along his route. Michael clearly had the world in the palm of his hand……yet it must not have been a world he was happy in.

Born to two 16 year old kids, he didn’t have a silver spoon….he was self-made from the day he was born. He mentored my two sons in many ways. They looked up to him like an older brother. He also had 4 siblings of his own that cherished him. He was an incredible guitar player and the most earth conscious and peace loving young man that I have ever known. I miss him terribly.

Michael showed NO signs of depression or dismay, in fact it was quite the opposite. He always wore a smile. But clearly there were deep seeded feelings that were of all his own. I’m not quite sure why I’m sharing this here, other than to let you all know that the world lost a wonderful loving and caring human being far too soon. While you never knew him personally, I’m sure you all have a Michael in your lives. I lost mine on Saturday and my heart is heavy……….

[Dogman]

Sorry for you and yours family's loss.

[midnight rambler]

My condolences.

[Joshua01]

SO sorry to hear about the loss of your nephew. These things never make any sense. Sincere condolences from my family to yours

[aeondaze]

My condolences to you and your family CB, such a tragic loss for one so young and with the world at their feet.

[Neuro]

Sorry for you and your family's loss. It really doesn't make sense at all, as you described him and his situation. Did he have a lot of debts, or love trouble? Was he diagnosed with an incurable disease?

[Spectrism]

Very sad. Horrible loss with so much potential. Wish I could have met him and helped get through whatever snagged him.

There is One who cares for us and will stick closer than a brother. Knowing Messiah personally can get you through anything.

[collector]

So sorry to hear this, was there any note left behind? Are you sure it was suicide?

[Camp Bassfish]

So sorry to hear this, was there any note left behind? Are you sure it was suicide?

Thank you everyone...... to answer a couple questions. no, he wasn't sick that anyone knows of and the autopsy didn't reveal as much. And as much as we would like to think it was an accident, the powder burns on his hands and temple speak otherwise. We are having a terrible time trying to make any sense out of this at all.....and probably never will as he left no note. :(

[Neuro]

Thank you everyone...... to answer a couple questions. no, he wasn't sick that anyone knows of and the autopsy didn't reveal as much. And as much as we would like to think it was an accident, the powder burns on his hands and temple speak otherwise. We are having a terrible time trying to make any sense out of this at all.....and probably never will as he left no note. :(
Maybe he was suicided?

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I'm sorry for your loss. I lost my Dad the same way back in 2012. The burning question of "why" never really goes away..

[vacuum]

Thank you everyone...... to answer a couple questions. no, he wasn't sick that anyone knows of and the autopsy didn't reveal as much. And as much as we would like to think it was an accident, the powder burns on his hands and temple speak otherwise. We are having a terrible time trying to make any sense out of this at all.....and probably never will as he left no note. :(

Girl problems? Maybe he had a girlfriend leave him and/or someone he was interested in chose to be with somebody else, or he was just lonely. I don't see a girl in any of those photos... At 27, after so much time studying and working to be successful, not having any worthwhile females in your life can make the whole effort seem meaningless.

I'm really sorry that this happened.

[madfranks]

Sorry to hear it CB. Condolences from my family to yours.


Girl problems? Maybe he had a girlfriend leave him and/or someone he was interested in chose to be with somebody else, or he was just lonely. I don't see a girl in any of those photos... At 27, after so much time studying and working to be successful, not having any worthwhile females in your life can make the whole effort seem meaningless.

I'm really sorry that this happened.

Long ago, I had a friend attempt suicide after a really difficult and unexpected break-up. Women really do have that effect on men.

[Cebu_4_2]

Girl problems? Maybe he had a girlfriend leave him and/or someone he was interested in chose to be with somebody else, or he was just lonely. I don't see a girl in any of those photos... At 27, after so much time studying and working to be successful, not having any worthwhile females in your life can make the whole effort seem meaningless.

I'm really sorry that this happened.



He also had 4 siblings of his own that cherished him.


Interesting.

[singular_me]

didnt read the whole thread

some people are not suited for this *divide and ruled social polarization* and will rather die than put up with it.

maybe you will soon learn that he was hiding his depression pretty well

thanks for sharing your loss

[Ponce]

Sorry about that...... soon it could be my turn......always in pain and always dizzy, and there is nothing that they can do....... VA sent over an ambulance this morning about 3 am, even thou I did not tell them to do it.... kicked them out. Anyway, sorry about your loss.

V

[Camp Bassfish]

Sorry to hear it CB. Condolences from my family to yours.



Long ago, I had a friend attempt suicide after a really difficult and unexpected break-up. Women really do have that effect on men.

Just got word from my brother....they found a journal. It was over a girl. Such a waste of a gifted life......

[ximmy]

That's rough, must have been something incredibly deep bothering him... Many of us here know this kind of pain, or have witnessed it in others.

[monty]

What a tragedy, my condolences.

[singular_me]

in such a case, we shouldnt be in the hurry to judge. Most people who are already depressed are going to choose to fall in love with those who are not for them to start with. At the core often a fatalistic view about life that is not new at all, a wound going back to childhood.



Just got word from my brother....they found a journal. It was over a girl. Such a waste of a gifted life......

[madfranks]

Just got word from my brother....they found a journal. It was over a girl. Such a waste of a gifted life......

That's a pain lots of us can relate to. I didn't get over my first breakup for almost two full years after it happened. I really loved her, and straight out of nowhere she broke up with me and started dating my friend (who then became an ex-friend). It's hard to focus on the future and understand that one day it'll all be the distant past.

[ximmy]

in such a case, we shouldnt be in the hurry to judge. Most people who are already depressed are going to choose to fall in love with those who are not for them to start with. At the core often a fatalistic view about life that is not new at all, a wound going back to childhood.

Agree, the girl just sent him over the edge. Something else was already wrong. :(

[Neuro]

That's a pain lots of us can relate to. I didn't get over my first breakup for almost two full years after it happened. I really loved her, and straight out of nowhere she broke up with me and started dating my friend (who then became an ex-friend). It's hard to focus on the future and understand that one day it'll all be the distant past.

Exactly, I actually decided to kill myself after I was ditched like that, at the age of 25. However after realizing life was not worth living an extraordinary calm came over me. I had nothing to live for so life became very easy. After that nothing really upsets me greatly at a personal level. Now of course I have children and God forbid I don't know how I would react if something to them happens, but since that I must say I have a much calmer view of life. It is really a pity your nephew didn't come to these conclusions before he managed to kill himself Camp bassfish! But to tell the truth I don't think anyone outside myself could have helped me come to these conclusions. At the time I wen't to a therapist and she told me my thoughts gave her panic attacks. I came back and told her what happened, and that I was fine, she wouldn't believe me, thought that I needed more sessions, but I never went to a therapist again.

To tell the truth I think if I had the option of shooting myself I would have, but I didn't have a gun and neither did I know someone who I could have gotten one from, and probably that saved me at the time of decision. The thing is it takes a lot of guts to put a gun to your head and end your life like that. Cowards can't do that!

[singular_me]

yeah, I really think that.


Agree, the girl just sent him over the edge. Something else was already wrong. :(

[Neuro]

Agree, the girl just sent him over the edge. Something else was already wrong. :(

It's got to do with self sense! Many guys at that age don't have it, getting ditched from a girl that is the first real love of their life, may just send them over the edge. You don't have the perspective, especially if you are an introspective shy romantic guy, with little experience with the opposite sex.

[madfranks]

It's got to do with self sense! Many guys at that age don't have it, getting ditched from a girl that is the first real love of their life, may just send them over the edge. You don't have the perspective, especially if you are an introspective shy romantic guy, with little experience with the opposite sex.

That's how it was for me. First love, I went in head over heels, 100% with no reservations. I figured we were going to get married, and the next thing I knew it was over. I gained a tremendous amount of perspective out of that experience.

[Cebu_4_2]

First time I was in love and got dumped I was real depressed. So I decided to bang all of her friends and did. After that, inter connecting and the bar scene (meat market) lead to many years of meaningless relationships. I wouldn't have changed a thing.

[singular_me]

relationships are tough, we usually are attracted to what we need to learn and overcome from within. Depending on the emotional makeup, some will opt out abruptly.

I believe psychology/psychoanalysis is a deception, just another one among the so many. As much people complain about their parents while in therapy, people whine about politicians. Everything is holographic. So obviously shrinks cannot help.

[Cebu_4_2]

So obviously shrinks cannot help.

Disagree, they can help bring issues foreward that the patient might just not see on their own. The same can be accomplished if honest and have impartial friends however for one to be honest with that friend they must also be honest with themself.

No one knows what things bothered this young man but it was more than just a relationship issue.

[JohnQPublic]

I am really sorry to hear that story. Sounded like he had a lot to live for, and it's really unfortunate that something like a woman was enough to take his life. My condolences.

[singular_me]

I did a mandatory therapy while studying psychoanalysis for 2 years, until I dropped off because the school board was mainly freudian and giving me a hard time as I was pro C G Jung. My therapist was a jungian.

I guess I already was able to see the divide and rule, which threw me off at the time. No regret. However, after leaving my studies behind, I continued my therapy for another year, then I determined that it was enough.

Yes shrinks can help a very few, but I know many who are shrink dependent too. But in the big picture, I dont think they do anything because 90% of psychoanalized people still fall for the same social fallacies over and over.





Disagree, they can help bring issues foreward that the patient might just not see on their own. The same can be accomplished if honest and have impartial friends however for one to be honest with that friend they must also be honest with themself.

No one knows what things bothered this young man but it was more than just a relationship issue.

[Spectrism]

Sorry about that...... soon it could be my turn......always in pain and always dizzy, and there is nothing that they can do....... VA sent over an ambulance this morning about 3 am, even thou I did not tell them to do it.... kicked them out. Anyway, sorry about your loss.

V


Now listen here you dumb Puerto Rican! You are not allowed to do anything permanent until I give you permission. We all exit this world eventually, and that eventuality is really not too far away. Where we go from here is very real and because we are made with the power of choice, it is largely dependent upon our choices.

I would strongly suggest that you meet God here before you meet Him there.

Sorry for your pain. I hope you can find some relief soon. Prayer can help.

[Hitch]

Found out a couple months ago, a guy I mentored during police academy did the same thing. Over a gal.

Camp, I'm sorry for your loss. You, and your loved ones, are in my thoughts and prayers. Be well.

Pete.

[AndreaGail]

So sorry to hear about your loss CB.
That one really hits close to home :( Being 27 as well and hired straight out of school to a solid accounting job I've seen that scenario many times and felt it first hand. Most corporate jobs these days are pretty demanding straight out of school and can make you feel like you're just collecting a paycheck. A girl can give it meaning but also leave a major void if she bolts (still getting over one after a year and a half) where even ones favorite outlets like hiking or whatever it may be don't cut it.

I'd say most people I know in their 20's have mastered having that good smile, in good times and bad :/. Social media hasn't helped when you can see the greatest moments in each of your friends lives, getting married, having kids, etc

[Cebu_4_2]

Very good point I had not thought about before.

[Camp Bassfish]

Thank you all for your condolences and personal insight. While it doesn't make it any easier to deal with, it provides a glimpse of understanding. I now must wonder if all of the alone time he spent was his own way of punishing himself for being the horrible person he believed he was (that was his last journal entry). I just wish he had the courage to reach out to someone.....anyone.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesunion-albany/obituary.aspx?n=michael-james-fahrenkopf&pid=180487716&fhid=5041

[vacuum]

Men need to start understanding and internalizing these principles:

www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill

Its a matter of survival.

[Horn]

sorry for your loss, thanks for posting.

[foolsgold]

I am so sorry CB, that is incredibly sad. My condolences to you and Michael's family.