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cheka.
12th August 2016, 10:34 PM
white guy driving, black female riding with -- murder?

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2016/08/12/suspect-cheerleader-death-denied-bond-change/88616362/

A Louisville man charged with the murder of a former U of L cheerleader was denied a bond reduction at a hearing Friday in Jefferson County District Court.

Bradley Caraway, 34, was charged Wednesday with murder after a police investigation determined he was responsible for 25-year-old Shanae Moorman's death in a vehicle crash early Saturday morning.

His lawyer, David Lambertus, requested a bond hearing Friday morning, court records show. Judge Anne Haynie denied his request to modify a cash bond that had been set at $100,000 during an arraignment Thursday.

He is currently being held in Metro Corrections, court records show, and is scheduled to appear in district court next on Tuesday for a preliminary hearing.

Louisville Metro Police were originally dispatched to a fatal motor vehicle collision near the Interstate 64 eastbound ramp to the Interstate 265 southbound ramp around 3 a.m. Saturday. Moorman, who was originally said to be the sole occupant of the vehicle, was pronounced deceased at the scene.

Caraway, the registered owner of the vehicle, was later located by a Jeffersontown Police officer walking shirtless and barefoot on the ramp from the Interstate 265 southbound to Taylorsville Road at about 7 a.m. Police said he smelled strongly of alcohol and appeared to be intoxicated.

He was initially arrested and charged with leaving the scene of an accident and failure to maintain required insurance. He was charged with murder Wednesday after an investigation determined he was driving the vehicle at the time of the accident.

Court records show Caraway pleaded guilty in 2014 to driving under the influence. He was ordered to pay a fine $509.

Authorities said earlier that Moorman, who is from Louisville, was not wearing a seat belt. She died of blunt-force injuries and was pronounced dead at the scene around 3:10 a.m. The incident remains under investigation.

According to an obituary published in the Courier-Journal Wednesday, Moorman worked at Z Salon and Spa. The U of L cheerleading program previously tweeted that she was a former member of the program. A university spokesman said her last year as a student was 2014 and last year as a cheerleader was 2012-13.

midnight rambler
12th August 2016, 10:40 PM
Maybe they don't have an intoxication manslaughter statute on the books there.

mamboni
12th August 2016, 11:20 PM
Yeah, that's at minimum manslaughter.

crimethink
12th August 2016, 11:25 PM
I have 0.0000% tolerance for drunk drivers, and 0.0000% sympathy for this piece of shit. Three previous DUI convictions.

Cebu_4_2
13th August 2016, 03:13 AM
Wow driving without insurance in KY:


and failure to maintain required insurance, both felonies

midnight rambler
13th August 2016, 08:46 AM
Wow driving without insurance in KY:

Apparently the insurance companies have the Kentucky lege totally trained to do their bidding.

Celtic Rogue
13th August 2016, 08:56 AM
Hey everyone.... I know this guy and in fact he is my second cousin! While I agree that multiple drunk driving convictions is not good! It is terrible!!!

I am making no excuses for the guy. But if you knew this kid....well a kid to me... you would think he was one of the nicest guys. Always doing things to help out other people. I never heard him use foul language or been a prick growing up.

I feel really bad for him because with all of this black hate out there. I am just waiting for the race element to appear making out a racist or something. He is wrong for driving drunk no excuses, I just dont want his life to be ruined further if he goes to jail with all of the ignorant blacks just looking for anything to bitch about!.

I dont think he would survive his sentence!

Involuntary Manslaughter in Kentucky
The following chart highlights Kentucky's second-degree manslaughter (or involuntary manslaughter) law.


Code Section

Kentucky Revised Statutes section 507.040 (http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=19719): Second-Degree Manslaughter (or Involuntary Manslaughter)


What's Prohibited?

Wantonly (or unjustifiably) causing the death of another person.



Examples of Second-Degree Manslaughter



Death resulting from how the offender drove his car
If a child under eight years old dies after being left in a car under circumstances that manifest an extreme indifference to human life and that creates a serious risk of death to the child




Penalties

Class C felony, punishable by imprisonment for between five and ten years.



Seems like they should have charged him with involuntary manslaughter? Since its his 3rd offense there might be other laws that come into play.

midnight rambler
13th August 2016, 09:16 AM
If he was going to be out drinking then he should have had the foresight to call a taxi to get him home.


Hey everyone.... I know this guy and in fact he is my second cousin! While I agree that multiple drunk driving convictions is not good! It is terrible!!!

I am making no excuses for the guy. But if you knew this kid....well a kid to me... you would think he was one of the nicest guys. Always doing things to help out other people. I never heard him use foul language or been a prick growing up.

I feel really bad for him because with all of this black hate out there. I am just waiting for the race element to appear making out a racist or something. He is wrong for driving drunk no excuses, I just dont want his life to be ruined further if he goes to jail with all of the ignorant blacks just looking for anything to bitch about!.

I dont think he would survive his sentence!

Involuntary Manslaughter in Kentucky
The following chart highlights Kentucky's second-degree manslaughter (or involuntary manslaughter) law.


Code Section
Kentucky Revised Statutes section 507.040 (http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=19719): Second-Degree Manslaughter (or Involuntary Manslaughter)


What's Prohibited?
Wantonly (or unjustifiably) causing the death of another person.


Examples of Second-Degree Manslaughter


Death resulting from how the offender drove his car
If a child under eight years old dies after being left in a car under circumstances that manifest an extreme indifference to human life and that creates a serious risk of death to the child




Penalties
Class C felony, punishable by imprisonment for between five and ten years.



Seems like they should have charged him with involuntary manslaughter? Since its his 3rd offense there might be other laws that come into play.

cheka.
13th August 2016, 10:07 AM
she likely knew he was drunk and willingly rode with him. if that's the case, she knew the danger and made her choice to go with it

that sounds nothing like murder -- and it's a stretch to evan make it fit what celtic rogue posted for manslaughter. i see nanny state bullshit. she gambled and lost, it's that simple. he should be on the hook for dwi and all property damage -- but nothing on the girl losing her bet

just my ignorant opinion..

midnight rambler
13th August 2016, 10:17 AM
Regardless of the young woman's choices the one behind the wheel is ultimately responsible for any loss of life or injury due to his/her negligence/inability to act in an appropriate manner while in control of his/her automobile.


she likely knew he was drunk and willingly rode with him. if that's the case, she knew the danger and made her choice to go with it

that sounds nothing like murder -- and it's a stretch to evan make it fit what celtic rogue posted for manslaughter. i see nanny state bullshit. she gambled and lost, it's that simple. he should be on the hook for dwi and all property damage -- but nothing on the girl losing her bet

just my ignorant opinion..

crimethink
13th August 2016, 04:27 PM
Seems like they should have charged him with involuntary manslaughter? Since its his 3rd offense there might be other laws that come into play.

It will probably be plead down to IM. Charge maximum, then cut a deal. However, your cousin is facing prison time, no question about it.

mick silver
16th August 2016, 08:41 AM
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ximmy
16th August 2016, 03:15 PM
Perhaps a good kid at heart, but a killer in life and he will kill again, either another passenger or other driver or pedestrian. He needs to be put down.

Hitch
16th August 2016, 05:30 PM
I responded to a lot of car accidents when I volunteered with the fire dept years ago. Most people don't see first hand the damage cars moving at high rates of speed crashing into each other, what it does to the human body.

I figure about 90% of the accidents we responded to, were caused by alcohol and drunk driving. It's that big of a problem. That was before cell phone texting problems we have now as well, which is just like drunk driving. Now it's a lot worse on our roadways.

I am a defensive driver, I watch what everyone around me is doing, and driving that way is actually very tiring often with all the careless people out there.

Glass
16th August 2016, 07:45 PM
I responded to a lot of car accidents when I volunteered with the fire dept years ago. Most people don't see first hand the damage cars moving at high rates of speed crashing into each other, what it does to the human body.

I figure about 90% of the accidents we responded to, were caused by alcohol and drunk driving. It's that big of a problem. That was before cell phone texting problems we have now as well, which is just like drunk driving. Now it's a lot worse on our roadways.

I am a defensive driver, I watch what everyone around me is doing, and driving that way is actually very tiring often with all the careless people out there.

Something that stuck in my mind about the US way of dealing with accidents was that they were geared up for rapidly cleaning up the carnage and getting the highways cleared very quickly. It seemed they were very efficient as sweeping everything into a pile, scooping it up and getting out of the way so the traffic could be back flowing in no time.

Doesn't really address the causes of the accidents but I get the impression these days, that is not so important. I remember growing up we had all kinds of community messages in the media. Messages about drinking, smoking, paying attention while driving, wearing seat belts, eating properly, exercising for health. We don't see those messages these days, just penalties or talk of penalties. Seems the carrot of sensibility has been replaced with the big stick of fines, infringements and deterrent taxation.

as a side note, I am staggered by the number of people who use phones while driving. And like you, I drive to anticipate the stupidity of others. Unfortunately I am never disappointed on any journey. The shame of it is the people who are unlucky and get wiped out by these people.

Do you guys have crosses on the side of the road everywhere? I don't remember seeing any. We have them here. All over the place. Mainly because people cremate each other rather than burying, so they have no monument to go to for mourning and they setup Cross monuments on the side of the road where their loved ones died.

Camp Bassfish
17th August 2016, 05:33 AM
It will probably be plead down to IM. Charge maximum, then cut a deal. However, your cousin is facing prison time, no question about it.

Or he'll claim he did all his drinking AFTER the accident out of remorse. After all 4 hours passed between the accident and his arrest. It's been done before.......