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EE_
17th August 2016, 04:16 AM
Much of California is really becoming a lousy place to live. #49 on the freedom list, just ahead of #50 NY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G-zEitO0Wo

Buildings burn, residents flee as out-of-control brush fire burns 18,000 acres in Cajon Pass
August 16, 2016

A brush fire exploded out of control Tuesday in the Cajon Pass, scorching 18,000 acres as walls of flame forced more than 80,000 people to evacuate and destroyed an unknown number of homes in several rural San Bernardino County communities.

Fed by strong winds, bone-dry brush and 100-degree temperatures, the Blue Cut fire marched across hills, canyons and flatlands into the night as firefighters struggled to get a handle on a blaze they fear will get worse.

Residents in several communities -- including the entire ski resort town of Wrightwood -- were forced to flee as the fire spread in several different directions. It closed Interstate 15 and Highway 138 -- the two key routes in the area -- clogging traffic and making it more difficult for residents to evacuate.

The blaze is the latest in a series of destructive wildfires to hit California as the state endures its fifth year of drought. The fires this year have claimed hundreds of homes and killed eight people, but officials warn the worst might be still to come because Southern California’s traditional fire season doesn’t begin until fall, when the hot Santa Ana winds typically arrive.

Officials blame the drought -- which has left brush dangerously dry -- for helping fuel the fires, which have stretched from Lake County in Northern California to the border region in San Diego County. In some areas, the fires have also been fueled by millions of dead or dying trees in forest areas.

The Blue Cut fire was first reported just after 10:30 a.m. near Interstate 15 and jumped to nearly 1,500 acres in size within just two hours. As the fire continued to surge late Tuesday afternoon, Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in San Bernardino County.

Homes could be seen burning along Highway 138 and television footage showed flames creeping toward a McDonald’s and surrounding a large cross.

“We know that we’ve lost structures, it’s unknown how many at this time,” said Tracey Martinez, public information officer for the San Bernardino County Fire Department. “This fire is still raging out of control.”

Six county firefighters became entrapped by walls of flame while defending homes and evacuating residents in Swarthout Canyon, Martinez said. The firefighters were able to take shelter in a nearby structure, but two had to be treated for minor injuries, she said. Both firefighters were released and have resumed battling the wildfire.

In addition to Wrightwood, mandatory evacuations have been ordered for Baldy Mesa, Lytle Creek, Wrightwood, Old Cajon Road, Lone Pine Canyon, West Cajon Valley and Swarthout Canyon, fire officials said.

San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputies raced door-to-door, urging residents to evacuate parts of Lytle Creek Canyon on Tuesday afternoon. A visit from a deputy prompted Ellen Pollema, 63, and her husband to flee their home in Happy Jack on Tuesday. The couple quickly packed their cars and fled to a nearby ranger station, An hour later, Pollema sat in a Prius stuffed with pillows, blankets, clothes and a cat nestled in its carrier. Her husband was parked nearby in a sport utility vehicle with the couple’s three dogs.

Tuesday was far from the couple’s first evacuation. Pollema and her husband have lived in the area for 25 years, and were not surprised by the blaze’s rapid growth.

"It's part of living in this canyon," she said. "It went fast. But it's very dry."

Pollema said she has worked with several of her neighbors to ensure that their properties are cleared of brush and anything else that could make their homes more flammable.

"People need to be prepared and just know that that's part of the risk of living in these kinds of areas," she said. "We've got a beautiful community."

Farther up the road, Lytle Creek resident Joe Gonzales was gathering laptops and important papers after deputies asked him to leave. While he was ready to flee, Gonzales said he wanted to wait until deputies checked on an elderly neighbor who might need a ride out of the area.

"I'm a little worried. I don't want to leave here. We love it in the canyon," he said. "But that smoke looks pretty bad."

Others were taking a wait-and-see approach as they watched a helicopter swoop down to draw water from a lake and fly toward the advancing fire near Lytle Creek Road and Alder Way. Steve Sager, 53, was packed and ready to go, but had decided to keep an eye on the fire before choosing whether or not to flee as he sat alongside several neighbors on a stone fence.

"It's kind of like a mild tailgate party," he said. "As long as they can keep it on that ridge we'll be OK. If it comes over that ridge too far, I'm out of here."

Cheryl Anaya, 67, had chosen to stay behind to try to protect her two-story log cabin in case flying embers descended on the wood frame building. She’d done the same during a previous wildfire in north Fontana several years earlier.

"We're gonna stay and fight," she told one neighbor who was heading for the nearest highway.

Blue Cut fire
But with the Blue Cut fire rapidly growing in size, Anaya accepted that she too might have to race out of the area if the flames got too close.

At least 700 firefighters, 57 engines, 8 fire crews and 10 air tankers were on the scene as of 3 p.m., said Cathleen Mattingly of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, who added that the fire was burning through “heavy, dry brush.” An additional 750 firefighters have been ordered to the scene, San Bernardino National Forest officials reported on Twitter.

It was not immediately clear if the fire was surging toward more residential areas or out into the desert. Mattingly said winds were moving northwest on Tuesday afternoon, but warned that could shift quickly.

Authorities shut down the 15 Freeway from Oak Hill Road to Kenwood Avenue, forest officials said. California 138 is closed from California 2 to the 15. The 15 is the major thoroughfare for drivers headed to Las Vegas from Southern California.

Temperatures in San Bernardino rose into triple-digits on Tuesday afternoon, according to the National Weather Service. A high of 99 is expected Wednesday, with southwest wind gusts of up to 10 miles per hour expected in the afternoon.

The blaze erupted as crews battled another major fire in Northern California, where the Clayton fire had ripped through 4,000 acres in Lake County, nearly obliterating entire neighborhoods and causing thousands to flee. A 40-year-old man was charged with arson in connection with the blaze late Monday, police said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-blue-cut-fire-20160816-snap-story.html

Joshua01
17th August 2016, 04:56 AM
Let it burn. No one outside of CA even wants it part of the Union any longer

crimethink
17th August 2016, 09:09 AM
Let it burn. No one outside of CA even wants it part of the Union any longer

Why don't you fuck off? We live here. My wife's little home town is currently in flames.

crimethink
17th August 2016, 09:11 AM
Related:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?91949-State-Now-Claims-It-Owns-the-Wind&p=849286&viewfull=1#post849286

Joshua01
17th August 2016, 09:17 AM
Why don't you fuck off? We live here. My wife's little home town is currently in flames.

Suck it up snowflake...don't blame me because you choose to live in a communist country. I was born and grew up in Massachusetts and I wouldn't mind seeing that cesspool circle the drain along with Komiefornia

crimethink
17th August 2016, 10:14 AM
Suck it up snowflake...don't blame me because you choose to live in a communist country. I was born and grew up in Massachusetts and I wouldn't mind seeing that cesspool circle the drain along with Komiefornia

Look, punk, I was born in California...fifth-generation. My family is here, and the area I live in is mostly White, and still sane. Your schadenfreude is Jew-like in nature.

I've been noticing your posts have the general nature of being from a young punk with little sense. Call someone like me a "snowflake" in real life and it will be yellow snow on the ground from your crotch.

Joshua01
17th August 2016, 10:20 AM
Look, punk, I was born in California...fifth-generation. My family is here, and the area I live in is mostly White, and still sane. Your schadenfreude is Jew-like in nature.

I've been noticing your posts have the general nature of being from a young punk with little sense. Call someone like me a "snowflake" in real life and it will be yellow snow on the ground from your crotch.

There are a lot of people tracking my posts here. It makes me smile knowing I'm keeping everyone on their toes. I'm not so young anymore. I voted for Nixon...my first of many mistakes

crimethink
17th August 2016, 10:21 AM
There are a lot of people tracking my posts here. It makes me smile knowing I'm keeping everyone on their toes. I'm not so young anymore. I voted for Nixon...my first of many mistakes

Then you are quite pathetic, if you are that old and still lacking common sense.

Joshua01
17th August 2016, 10:23 AM
Then you are quite pathetic, if you are that old and still lacking common sense.

Because California is chock full of people with common sense

Quite frankly I enjoy your posts and find what you say to have merit. I'm one of those guys that calls it as I see it. Many people are uncomfortable with candor...I get that, but I'm not going to sugar coat how I feel because it's a bit too frank for some.

crimethink
17th August 2016, 12:20 PM
Because California is chock full of people with common sense


Not talking about California; we're talking about you.




Quite frankly I enjoy your posts and find what you say to have merit. I'm one of those guys that calls it as I see it. Many people are uncomfortable with candor...I get that, but I'm not going to sugar coat how I feel because it's a bit too frank for some.

Wishing harm on your allies and families of your allies is a great way to inspire camaraderie. If you "really feel" that we here in California "deserve" to see our White communities burn, then you are part of the Problem. Part of the common sense of which I speak is knowing that people who have done nothing wrong do not "deserve" tragedies. Not to mention basic civilized decency.

milehi
17th August 2016, 01:49 PM
I drove out here from AZ last week because the Pilot Fire was a mile from my house in the mountains. I was going to drive home yesterday but this fire got huge quick. This area always burns every couple years but the winds are bad right now. Im about six miles away. I have nothing to evacuate except some guns and two dogs.

I heard the house I used to rent in the desert a couple years ago burned. It was in the middle of no where on 900 acres. You couldnt see the house from the road and I could do *anything* I could think up there.

I have a bunch of pics but I cant load them from my phone or desktop.

Hitch
17th August 2016, 04:39 PM
Prayers sent, milehi. Also, prayer's sent for your wife and her hometown, crimethink.

There's a bad fire south of where I'm at, we can smell it in the air, even after the west winds blow through from the ocean. This is going to be a bad fire year for CA.

For those who wish ill will and bad things for CA, know there are good people here. You've mostly got to get out of the cities to meet them though. 4th generation for me here. Like milehi said, get out in the country and you've got the freedom to do what you want, with very little bothering you. I really wish we had less gun control, and less tax rates. That affects us the most here.

Joshua01
17th August 2016, 06:49 PM
Not talking about California; we're talking about you.




Wishing harm on your allies and families of your allies is a great way to inspire camaraderie. If you "really feel" that we here in California "deserve" to see our White communities burn, then you are part of the Problem. Part of the common sense of which I speak is knowing that people who have done nothing wrong do not "deserve" tragedies. Not to mention basic civilized decency.

It doesn't really matter what I think, does it?

Norweger
17th August 2016, 07:38 PM
Natural disasters in California is one of the most likely scenarios for the downfall of America.

Hitch
17th August 2016, 08:05 PM
Natural disasters in California is one of the most likely scenarios for the downfall of America.

What are you suggesting with this comment?

Norweger
17th August 2016, 08:12 PM
Am i suggesting something? it's pretty much a given that America will end one day, especially considering it's rebellious nature and horrible behavior around the world. What comes around goes around.

Joshua01
17th August 2016, 08:15 PM
Am i suggesting something? it's pretty much a given that America will end one day, especially considering it's rebellious nature and horrible behavior around the world. What comes around goes around.

Karma is a bitch!

Hitch
17th August 2016, 08:15 PM
Am i suggesting something? it's pretty much a given that America will end one day, especially considering it's rebellious nature and horrible behavior around the world. What comes around goes around.

You are suggesting something, and this sounds like a pretty big threat.

Joshua01
17th August 2016, 08:18 PM
You are suggesting something, and this sounds like a pretty big threat.

Who is he threatening exactly?....and with what?

ximmy
17th August 2016, 08:20 PM
I'm born and raised Cali, and I have two friends with homes in Wrightwood... Wrightwood is a white mountain town. But they know the risks. Rag on Cali if you will, I don't take it so personally as crimethink. Cali has many ridiculous problems. Gun laws, smog laws, plastic bag laws, watering laws, blacks roaming around freely and unchained, you get the idea.

Hitch
17th August 2016, 08:21 PM
Who is he threatening exactly?....and with what?

His kind has been threatening you, me, all American's since the birth of our nation.

You figure the rest out. If you can't figure the rest out, good luck. I'd say God bless, but for you, that won't happen so I won't bother.

crimethink
17th August 2016, 10:29 PM
Natural disasters in California is one of the most likely scenarios for the downfall of America.

Un-natural disasters are why California is in the sorry shape it is today.

crimethink
17th August 2016, 10:31 PM
You are suggesting something, and this sounds like a pretty big threat.

Unfortunately, the Mooslim is correct on this matter: America has said Fuck You! to God for quite some time, and His judgement is upon this land. "God bless America!" Why?

After all, "America" the name does not come from "Amerigo Vespucci," but from the Incan "Amaruca," meaning "Land of the Plumed Serpent."

crimethink
17th August 2016, 10:38 PM
Rag on Cali if you will, I don't take it so personally as crimethink.

When your community or neighboring county is in flames, you will think differently. Or not - the moral rot in America is profound, after all.

I live with someone who grew up there, and we know plenty of folks who are directly affected by the fires. They have nothing to do with the shysterism of Sacramento, the faggotry of Sodomcisco, or the Applied Judaism of Hollywood/Los Angeles.

Imbeciles think of "California" as an integrated unit: an 800-mile-long Venice Beach with palm trees and "liberal" queers everywhere. Yet the reality is that the "Alpine Crescent" represents most of what both America used to be, and what California used to be. We have little to do with the Talmudvision image of "California."

Horn
17th August 2016, 10:48 PM
There are a lot of people tracking my posts here. It makes me smile knowing I'm keeping everyone on their toes. I'm not so young anymore. I voted for Nixon...my first of many mistakes

No worries Josh, I had something similar happen to me with the floods in Louisiana today. Someone pasted a news clip that said "DEADLY STORM 20000 RESCUED" underneath was a picture of a quicky-mart with like 3-4 ft of water around it.

I stated that it must have been the alligators in the water that made it a deadly storm. One guy flipped out like I was disrespectful of any deceased,,, people are out of their wits anymore.

Horn
17th August 2016, 10:53 PM
America will end one day, especially considering it's rebellious nature and horrible behavior around the world. What comes around goes around.

I think you meant repelling nature, alls I can counter with is,

What self-respecting state shouldn't be repelled by the rest of the world?

Joshua01
18th August 2016, 04:17 AM
His kind has been threatening you, me, all American's since the birth of our nation.

You figure the rest out. If you can't figure the rest out, good luck. I'd say God bless, but for you, that won't happen so I won't bother.

You read a few lines on your computer screen and feel you know the man who wrote them? Doesn't sound very Christian to me. Maybe that's why I call bullshit on religion as a whole...because religion warps the mind and makes men totally judgmental of their fellow man and removes all objectivity from their mind and soul.

If I wanted God's blessing from you I would have asked for it but thanks anyway.

Joshua01
18th August 2016, 04:21 AM
No worries Josh, I had something similar happen to me with the floods in Louisiana today. Someone pasted a news clip that said "DEADLY STORM 20000 RESCUED" underneath was a picture of a quicky-mart with like 3-4 ft of water around it.

I stated that it must have been the alligators in the water that made it a deadly storm. One guy flipped out like I was disrespectful of any deceased,,, people are out of their wits anymore.

The country is chock full of thin skinned, self righteous, judgmental, God fearing, butt hurt scripture quoters. These people won't do well in the new world that America will soon become. Maybe Jesus will come riding over the hill to save all the souls of these people and send the rest of us to burn in the lake of fire for all eternity....maybe not...stay tuned

Hitch
18th August 2016, 05:16 PM
You read a few lines on your computer screen and feel you know the man who wrote them? Doesn't sound very Christian to me. Maybe that's why I call bullshit on religion as a whole...because religion warps the mind and makes men totally judgmental of their fellow man and removes all objectivity from their mind and soul.

Most religions are peaceful, and their people wanting to make the work a better place. Unfortunately, "turning the other cheek" doesn't work so well with some other religions.

Suggest you read this. As a Christian, a member of a religion being slaughtered in genocide, tell me how I should think about this...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35831711

Horn
18th August 2016, 06:03 PM
Most religions are peaceful,

uhuh...