What It's Like To Be a Defense Investigator in a Rigged Criminal Justice System

[Nomoss]

Here's What It's Like To Be a Defense Investigator in a Rigged Criminal Justice System
One day recently, I was getting ready to hit the streets in search of a witness to a murder when I found in my email Justice Sonia Sotomayor's dissent (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwju0NO22KzOAhVMNiYKHa7mAPwQFggfMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.supremecourt.gov%2Fopinions% 2F15pdf%2F14-1373_83i7.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFadLBfpt9TdqquVMGQRaGNmsmgxQ&bvm=bv.129391328,d.eWE) in the Supreme Court Case of Utah v. Strieff (http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/utah-v-strieff). It had been forwarded by a psychologist with whom I once worked on a death penalty case.
Anyone lulled into thinking the new coalition (http://www.time.com/3686797/charles-koch-criminal-justice) of liberals and conservatives who hope to reform the criminal justice system will actually get somewhere should read Strieff. The facts are the following: A Salt Lake City cop was watching a home rumored to house methamphetamine dealers. When Edward Joseph Strieff left the house, the cop stopped him, questioned him, and checked his record. When the cop found a warrant for an unpaid parking ticket, he searched Strieff, found meth in his pockets, and arrested him for possession.
In Strieff and other cases leading up to it, the Supreme Court has now decreed that evidence gathered in an illegal search isn't "the fruit of the poisoned tree," as Justice Felix Frankfurter put it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree) in 1939, and so no longer must be suppressed. Even though gathered illegally, evidence can be used at trial against a defendant. In short, stop-and-frisk policing and racial profiling, key targets of the new civil rights movement (http://blacklivesmatter.com/), just got a stamp of approval from the highest court in the land.
Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan also dissented. But it was Justice Sotomayor who sounded the alarm in an opinion evoking nothing less than James Baldwin's The Fire Next Time (http://www.amazon.com/dp/067974472X/ref=nosim/?tag=tomdispatch-20) and adding quotations from W.E.B. Du Bois, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and Michelle Alexander for good measure. She wrote:
"The Court today holds that the discovery of a warrant for an unpaid parking ticket will forgive a police officer's violation of your Fourth Amendment rights. Do not be soothed by the opinion's technical language: this case allows the police to stop you on the street, demand your identification, and check it for outstanding traffic war*rants—even if you are doing nothing wrong. If the officer discovers a warrant for a fine you forgot to pay, courts will now excuse his illegal stop and will admit into evidence anything he happens to find by searching you after arrest*ing you on the warrant. Because the Fourth Amendment should prohibit, not permit, such misconduct, I dissent."
Sotomayor concluded:
"This case tells everyone, white and black, guilty and innocent, that an officer can verify your legal status at any time. It says that your body is subject to invasion while courts excuse the violation of your rights. It implies that you are not a citizen of a democracy but the subject of a carceral state, just waiting to be catalogued.

"We must not pretend that the countless people who are routinely targeted by police are 'isolated.' They are the canaries in the coal mine whose deaths, civil and literal, warn us that no one can breathe in this atmosphere."
More at link
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/tomdispatch-americas-criminal-injustice-system

[Jewboo]

A Salt Lake City cop was watching a home rumored to house methamphetamine dealers. When Edward Joseph Strieff left the house, the cop stopped him, questioned him, and checked his record. When the cop found a warrant for an unpaid parking ticket, he searched Strieff, found meth in his pockets, and arrested him for possession.



http://www.hulkbuzz.com/images/1428631576-948429465.jpg

Those three dissenting (((Supreme Court Justices))) want our goyim neighborhoods looking like this.



http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/laughing-jew.gif http://www.trueorthodox.com/pictures/rearsug.jpg
GSUSers rooting for a Meth Dealer





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[Nomoss]

The point of the post is…
“The Court today holds that the discovery of a warrant for an unpaid parking ticket will forgive a police officer's violation of your Fourth Amendment rights.”
And a Rigged Criminal Justice System!
So your point is?

[midnight rambler]

And Book smokes crack (figuratively speaking of course, but he does have a crackhead mentality).

[Jewboo]

So your point is?



Disregard the fact that it is a proven meth house in your neighborhood goyim!

Disregard the fact he did have meth in his pocket goyim!

Because next time it might be YOUR meth house and meth in YOUR pockets goyim!

http://img.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres2/1162201/1162201.jpg
Yeah...it could be our meth house and our meth next time...let him go free!



:rolleyes:



A Salt Lake City cop was watching a home rumored to house methamphetamine dealers. When Edward Joseph Strieff left the house, the cop stopped him, questioned him, and checked his record. When the cop found a warrant for an unpaid parking ticket, he searched Strieff, found meth in his pockets, and arrested him for possession.

[crimethink]

The point of the post is…
“The Court today holds that the discovery of a warrant for an unpaid parking ticket will forgive a police officer's violation of your Fourth Amendment rights.”
And a Rigged Criminal Justice System!
So your point is?

People complain about thugs getting off on technicalities. The (((Frankfurter))) position is a technicality.

Who wants a Police State? Who wants a Turd World country?

The "defendant" wasn't some guy they stopped randomly on the street.

[Nomoss]

People complain about thugs getting off on technicalities. The (((Frankfurter))) position is a technicality.

Who wants a Police State? Who wants a Turd World country?

The "defendant" wasn't some guy they stopped randomly on the street.

Hey Book did you read the link? Didn’t think so..

The point is not about the meth its about the 4th as in

“In Strieff and other cases leading up to it, the Supreme Court has now decreed that evidence gathered in an illegal search isn't "the fruit of the poisoned tree," as Justice Felix Frankfurter put it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree) in 1939, and so no longer must be suppressed. Even though gathered illegally, evidence can be used at trial against a defendant. In short, stop-and-frisk policing and racial profiling, key targets of the new civil rights movement (http://blacklivesmatter.com/), just got a stamp of approval from the highest court in the land.”

So (((they))) did it to the 4th (((they))) WILL/ARE doing it to all 10.

[crimethink]

Hey Book did you read the link? Didn’t think so..

The point is not about the meth its about the 4th as in

“In Strieff and other cases leading up to it, the Supreme Court has now decreed that evidence gathered in an illegal search isn't "the fruit of the poisoned tree," as Justice Felix Frankfurter put it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree) in 1939, and so no longer must be suppressed. Even though gathered illegally, evidence can be used at trial against a defendant. In short, stop-and-frisk policing and racial profiling, key targets of the new civil rights movement (http://blacklivesmatter.com/), just got a stamp of approval from the highest court in the land.”

So (((they))) did it to the 4th (((they))) WILL/ARE doing it to all 10.

I'm not Book.

The (((Frankfurter))) position, which you endorse, was designed to help bring about Bolshevism to America, by providing the technicality to allow thugs to get off. It worked.

If some thug is a social menace, I really don't care about whether the Truth is used to nail him.

The Bill of Rights was written for a moral people among whom honesty and decency reigned. Its weaknesses have been ruthlessly exploited against the very race who created it. It was never intended to protect Bolshevists who aim to destroy all values.

[crimethink]

More about (((Frankfurter)))...

Forceful advocate for American recognition of the Jewish Soviet Union
Co-founder of the ACLU, which was created to (literally) protect Bolshevists in America
Endorsed United States vs. Miller, supporting the woefully anti-constitutional National Firearms Act
Promoted worship of the flag, rejecting the right of children to refuse to worship said flag ("Pledge of Allegiance")
Led the judicial tyranny of Brown vs. Board of Education against America - forcing Niggers into White schools
Promoted corporate "rights" to the point of endorsing criminality


In other words, (((Frankfurter) was a typical Jew, working for Jewish interests (including Communist interests).

[Hitch]

[ The facts are the following: A Salt Lake City cop was watching a home rumored to house methamphetamine dealers. When Edward Joseph Strieff left the house, the cop stopped him, questioned him, and checked his record. When the cop found a warrant for an unpaid parking ticket, he searched Strieff, found meth in his pockets, and arrested him for possession]

He was under arrest for the warrant, therefor was searched. A cop can and will search you if you are under arrest.

The big question was the stop legal? If the cop had reasonable suspicion a crime was afoot, he can detain a person. Once detained, the person has to provide ID. If the ID has outstanding warrants, that detention can lead to arrest.

[Jewboo]

The point is not about the meth its about the 4th as in...



http://i.imgur.com/zDb0tM7.jpg


Exactly. Ignore that meth house in your goy neighborhood. Ignore the meth found in his pocket.

:rolleyes:

[midnight rambler]

Once detained, the person has to provide ID.

Not in Texas, it has to be an arrest ​with PC.

[crimethink]

http://i.imgur.com/zDb0tM7.jpg


Exactly. Ignore that meth house in your goy neighborhood. Ignore the meth found in his pocket.

:rolleyes:

(((Felix Frankfurter) declared the Goyim have no right to a short-barrel shotgun, but fellow Jews have the "right" to preach Bolshevist destruction of civilization. Jew-dicial, indeed!

[Hitch]

Not in Texas, it has to be an arrest ​with PC.

Untrue, consider traffic stops, those are detentions. You have to show identification in the form of a driver's license.

[crimethink]

Untrue, consider traffic stops, those are detentions. You have to show identification in the form of a driver's license.

Actually, he's right. One does not have to show formal identification or identify oneself without arrest, unless one is engaging in a "privilege" (e.g., driving). Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.02. "FAILURE TO IDENTIFY. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information." There are other provisions relating to the "privileges" in other places.

The Driver's License is required not as identification, but as "permission" to travel on Caesar's highways.

[singular_me]

the egg of the chicken?

once upon a time, it all started with people seeing nothing wrong with following orders...

when will the cops realize they are being conned? Going after meth houses (in this case) when the drug war is a total deception to start with???

[crimethink]

once upon a time, it all started with people seeing nothing wrong with following orders...

when will the cops realize they are being conned? Going after meth houses (in this case) when the drug war is a total deception to start with???

Yeah, because meth is a harmless recreational substance...

No one suffers from its abuse...not kids, not neighbors, not the ingesting fool.

[Hitch]

The Driver's License is required not as identification, but as "permission" to travel on Caesar's highways.

That's the thing though, a DL is actually identification. So "permission" to travel on the roadways, it makes no difference, that DL is identification, and you need to have it, on you, during a traffic stop. That is a fact. A traffic stop is a detention, not an arrest. You need a DL, in hand, or otherwise you will be arrested and identified.

If you want to travel...walk. Don't drive.

[midnight rambler]

Untrue, consider traffic stops, those are detentions. You have to show identification in the form of a driver's license.

What if one is not a 'driver' operating in commerce?

Texas statute is clear, not required to identify UNLESS under arrest. Now providing false info while detained IS a statutory offense so best to ask the question "Am I under arrest?" before providing any info. If the inquisitor says, "No (you're being detained)." then I tell 'em, "Then with all due respect I'm not providing you with ANY information." Most of them are quite disturbed by this development.

[Hitch]

What if one is not a 'driver' operating in commerce?

Texas statute is clear, not required to identify UNLESS under arrest. Now providing false info while detained IS a statutory offense so best to ask the question "Am I under arrest?" before providing any info. If the inquisitor says, "No (you're being detained)." then I tell 'em, "Then with all due respect I'm not providing you with ANY information." Most of them are quite disturbed by this development.

Cops don't care, you can take it up with the judge. A detention is a detention, and you are not free to go until the investigation is complete. Part of that is identification, yours. I'm just stating facts here, in regards to the 4th amendment. Very few people understand search and seizure law. I seriously doubt any cop would let go a person who's unidentifiable, during a detention. No license, no ID, it's finger prints at the station. They need to cover their ass too. Letting you go, to find out your a muslim extremist who blows up a church...ain't happening. You will be identified during a lawful detention. period.

[midnight rambler]

I seriously doubt any cop would let go a person who's unidentifiable, during a detention...You will be identified during a lawful detention. period.

Never have tried it have you? Of course you probably cannot since you live in that leftist, progressive, collectivist paradise Mexifornicate.

I've done it, it has worked for me. Cops do get quite bothered but there isn't shit they can do about it when on foot. I'm not talking about 'commerce' stops where they ass-u-me that everyone is operating a business on public property. Some will try to bully you into submission but I point out the statute and point out they'd be acting as an outlaw if they proceeded outside the statute.

[Hitch]

Never have tried it have you?

I have. It didn't work out so fucking well for me. Got written up and had to meet with the chiefs about it. But, that's another story. Cops don't know you from anyone, and if something goes wrong, it's always....always, the cops fault. He should have done something different.

[crimethink]

That's the thing though, a DL is actually identification. So "permission" to travel on the roadways, it makes no difference, that DL is identification, and you need to have it, on you, during a traffic stop. That is a fact. A traffic stop is a detention, not an arrest. You need a DL, in hand, or otherwise you will be arrested and identified.


It happens to be an identification at the same time. It's original purpose was not identification. Now it has become the de facto internal passport.




If you want to travel...walk. Don't drive.

If the Bill of Rights (specifically, the Ninth Amendment) meant anything, driving would be a right, not a "privilege."

[crimethink]

If the inquisitor says, "No (you're being detained)." then I tell 'em, "Then with all due respect I'm not providing you with ANY information."

Until the baton comes down on your head, or the TASER barbs hit your belly, or even the hollow-points hit your sternum.

"The Law" says one thing, the law of force in the field says another.

[midnight rambler]

If the Bill of Rights (specifically, the Ninth Amendment) meant anything, driving would be a right, not a "privilege."

Well now, there's where you're clearly mistaken. *Driving* is a commercial activity and as such one definitely needs a license to engage in commerce on public property while *using* or *operating* a *motor vehicle*. OTOH a motorist who is traveling in his private automobile has no need of a DRIVER LICENSE (since said motorist is not operating a business on public property).

[midnight rambler]

Until the baton comes down on your head, or the TASER barbs hit your belly, or even the hollow-points hit your sternum.

"The Law" says one thing, the law of force in the field says another.


Dayum you love the corporate state! Weld that FEAR (of the corporate state) tool!

[crimethink]

Never have tried it have you?


I've never tried Russian Roulette or anal sex, either.




I've done it, it has worked for me.


Care to share any footage showing this "technique" in action?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p7lndGi-sI



I point out the statute and point out they'd be acting as an outlaw if they proceeded outside the statute.

They have the guns, and the "right" to use them on you.

[crimethink]

Well now, there's where you're clearly mistaken. *Driving* is a commercial activity and as such one definitely needs a license to engage in commerce on public property while *using* or *operating* a *motor vehicle*. OTOH a motorist who is traveling in his private automobile has no need of a DRIVER LICENSE (since said motorist is not operating a business on public property).

There's that Jew lawyering again!

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'driving' is."

[crimethink]

Dayum you love the corporate state! Weld that FEAR (of the corporate state) tool!

Dayum, you love lying about your fantasy immunity from police force.

[midnight rambler]

There's that Jew lawyering again!

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'driving' is."

(((They))) certainly have YOU confused!

[midnight rambler]

Dayum, you love lying about your fantasy immunity from police force.

Thank you for your post! You are emerging as a clear advocate and defender of the corporate state/beast system.

I haven't participated in forever, so I'm wondering where (((they))) have you obs do your burning of the pinch of incense ritual these days...? It IS open to the 'public' isn't it?? ???

[Hitch]

Well now, there's where you're clearly mistaken. *Driving* is a commercial activity and as such one definitely needs a license to engage in commerce on public property while *using* or *operating* a *motor vehicle*. OTOH a motorist who is traveling in his private automobile has no need of a DRIVER LICENSE (since said motorist is not operating a business on public property).

Take it up with the judge. Don't blame the cop for bringing your ass in, to the station, for identification. Texas Vehicle Code requires you to have a DL to operate a vehicle. Every cop you meet will follow the VC, that is their job.

Use your defense in the court of law.

[midnight rambler]

I haven't participated in forever, so I'm wondering where (((they))) have you obs do your burning of the pinch of incense ritual these days...? It IS open to the 'public' isn't it?? ???

Lemme guess...it's at the DMV? Amirite??

[midnight rambler]

Take it up with the judge. Don't blame the cop for bringing your ass in, to the station, for identification. Texas Vehicle Code requires you to have a DL to operate a vehicle. Every cop you meet will follow the VC, that is their job.

Use your defense in the court of law.

Unless you can cite the Texas statute you just need to STFU.

[Hitch]

Unless you can cite the Texas statute you just need to STFU.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.521.htm

[midnight rambler]

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.521.htm

Of course you do realize that a 'person' is strictly a creation of the state (a legal fiction) and therefore a 'person', being the creation of a legal fiction, is also a legal fiction, right?

Kindly show me how I have been transformed from a flesh and blood living soul/man into a phantasm (when I do not have any unexpired* state issued ID documents). And in *reality* NOT your warped imagination.

*guess what? The legal fiction that *appears* to have a name VERY similar to me 'expired' something like 15 years ago!

[midnight rambler]

Of course you do realize that a 'person' is strictly a creation of the state (a legal fiction) and therefore a 'person', being the creation of a legal fiction, is also a legal fiction, right?

Kindly show me how I have been transformed from a flesh and blood living soul/man into a phantasm (when I do not have any unexpired* state issued ID documents). And in *reality* NOT your warped imagination.

*guess what? The legal fiction that *appears* to have a name VERY similar to me 'expired' something like 15 years ago!

Origin and Etymology of person

Middle English, from Anglo-French persone, from Latin persona actor's mask, character in a play, person, probably from Etruscan phersu mask, from Greek prosōpa, plural of prosōpon face, mask

[crimethink]

Thank you for your post! You are emerging as a clear advocate and defender of the corporate state/beast system.

Lying is of the Devil. So why do you do it so often?

If you were a serious "free man on the land," why aren't you in a cage like Clive Bundy?

[crimethink]

Of course you do realize that a 'person' is strictly a creation of the state (a legal fiction) and therefore a 'person', being the creation of a legal fiction, is also a legal fiction, right?

Pharisee Fan, this forum's own shyster.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophistry

[midnight rambler]

Lying is of the Devil. So why do you do it so often?

If you were such a "free man on the land," why aren't you in a cage like Clive Bundy?

You DO love the corporate state/beast system, don't you? To FEAR and OBEY is to worship, and it certainly appears you got the FEAR and OBEY thing going on STRONG for the beast system. Gotta weld that FEAR tool. Gotta OBEY the state god.

Did I guess right that you do the burning a pinch of incense for Caesar ritual at the DMV?

[midnight rambler]

Lying is of the Devil. So why do you do it so often?

If you were a serious "free man on the land," why aren't you in a cage like Clive Bundy?


Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

lol

Note that I'm not the one using the FEAR tool bludgeon of the corporate state/beast system.

[crimethink]

garbage deleted

Again: If you were such a "free man on the land," why aren't you in a cage like Clive Bundy?

You are all talk. If you disagree, let's see some actual evidence that you are immune to police force. Video shall do fine.

[crimethink]

garbage deleted

Pharisee Fan is not in jail. The logical conclusion: he is lying about his claims about using "free man on the land" bullshit with the cops.

[midnight rambler]

Again: If you were such a "free man on the land," why aren't you in a cage like Clive Bundy?

You are all talk. If you disagree, let's see some actual evidence that you are immune to police force. Video shall do fine.

Here ya go.

Can't make the scene if you don't have the green.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91YS3fNegmE

[Hitch]

Of course you do realize that a 'person' is strictly a creation of the state (a legal fiction) and therefore a 'person', being the creation of a legal fiction, is also a legal fiction, right?

Kindly show me how I have been transformed from a flesh and blood living soul/man into a phantasm (when I do not have any unexpired* state issued ID documents). And in *reality* NOT your warped imagination.

*guess what? The legal fiction that *appears* to have a name VERY similar to me 'expired' something like 15 years ago!

None of this matters, at all, in our legal state. It's irrelevant and not even worth arguing. Don't blame the cops for arresting you and taking you in over these things. Take it up with the judge. Live your life fighting battle after battle, because that's the reality of it all.

[crimethink]

Here ya go.

All. Talk.

"I'm not really a free man hero, but I play one on the Internet."

-- Pharisee Fan aka Sukhoi Fan aka "midnight rider"

[crimethink]

None of this matters, at all, in our legal state. It's irrelevant and not even worth arguing. Don't blame the cops for arresting you and taking you in over these things. Take it up with the judge. Live your life fighting battle after battle, because that's the reality of it all.

What he spews is 100% utter bullshit. Try any of it, and we know how it will end. Pharisee Fan implicitly claims he's a "bigger man" than Clive Bundy. Yet he has nothing to show for it.

[midnight rambler]

You guys are so funny. Thx for the yuks. lol

[midnight rambler]

What he spews is 100% utter bullshit. Try any of it, and we know how it will end. Pharisee Fan implicitly claims he's a "bigger man" than Clive Bundy. Yet he has nothing to show for it.

You got NOTHIN' so you start in with the ad hominem attacks. Nice.

You still haven't let on whether I guessed correctly where you go to get to burn just a pinch of incense for Caesar. Kindly tell me - do you get to do that at the DMV or elsewhere? I really am curious.

[midnight rambler]

None of this matters, at all, in our legal state. It's irrelevant and not even worth arguing. Don't blame the cops for arresting you and taking you in over these things. Take it up with the judge. Live your life fighting battle after battle, because that's the reality of it all.

TRANSLATION: I'm a happy and content ob merrily serving the legal fiction beast system! Do NOT fuck with my delusion!!!

[7th trump]

Here ya go.

Can't make the scene if you don't have the green.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91YS3fNegmE

What wingnut doesnt know, and why I know hes a bullshitting asshole, is you must have identification in the system even if you are free man on the land. Its not very intelligent, nor healthy, to go round the neighborhood in unplated vehicles.
Jusat because you ight be a free man (we the people) doesnt mean you're exempt form identification and can do what you please and tell the officer to go pound sand. Police officers and sheriffs were around before the civil war took place....so think about that.....boy!
When you really are a free man its your responsibility, not the states, to still have proper identification with the system.
That means you contact the state and give them your info to input into the system. If you want to be "We the People" then everything is your responsibility.
Chances are you'll be getting an issued plate but it will be coded in the system differently from the slaves.
Dont believe me...look up your state laws...Iowa says they are allowed to make changes to the DVM code when the officer looks you up for just about anything thats needed.
And you will obey the traffic laws as well or get the same ticket as anyone else.

Anyone with any "SERIOUS" experience on this topic can see a fool a mile away.

You really need to give up the gig captain wingnut lipstick.
We all know you are lying out your ass.
Best to shut your trap and continue doing what you do best......replacing the blue mint in your portable toilets.

[crimethink]

You got NOTHIN' so you start in with the ad hominem attacks.

Just stating the facts. You brag much but show nothing. You claim much but prove nothing.

Show us your "free man" techniques in action. You have nothing to fear. If what you claim is true.

[crimethink]

TRANSLATION: I'm a happy and content ob merrily serving the legal fiction beast system! Do NOT fuck with my delusion!!!

Show us that your "free man" techniques of being immune from police violence are not your delusion.

[midnight rambler]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/CopFlashingLights.gif

Show us that your "free man" techniques of being immune from police violence are not your delusion.

https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/03/25/6359454439536226021348980639_tumblr_mw4fpkCDfK1rs4 n0vo4_1280.gif


You really do like pushing the meme that one must FEAR and OBEY* the state above fearing and obeying God, least your god the state beat the living shit out of anyone for not burning just a pinch of incense for Caesar (to show loyalty to Caesar above ALL others) when demanded to do so by your god the state.

*fear and obey = worship

[Hitch]

TRANSLATION: I'm a happy and content ob merrily serving the legal fiction beast system! Do NOT fuck with my delusion!!!

You are the one who's delusional. I believe and support the constitution of the US. That is what this thread is about. I have facts on my side, you however do not. If you did, you'd easily explain your argument.

[crimethink]

You are the one who's delusional. I believe and support the constitution of the US. That is what this thread is about. I have facts on my side, you however do not. If you did, you'd easily explain your argument.

He makes his living giving seminars on "redemption" and "free man" techniques. Suckers flood him with FRNs. They fell for the confidence scheme. When he drives/travels/passes* over state-owned roads, he does exactly like everyone else who doesn't want their ass beat. He merely lives a phony persona as a form of advertisement. His private life is completely different from what he portrays himself as here or as a "teacher" in real life.

A con man who is all talk, and no substance. If he had any facts, he'd happily post video of his "techniques" in action. After all, he has "no fear of the state." **


* or whatever Pharisee Jew-Jitsu dissimulation term he wishes to use.

** "You really do like pushing the meme that one must FEAR and OBEY* the state above fearing and obeying God...fear and obey = worship."

[singular_me]

the constitution failed because it was written for a population who couldnt write nor read. but it always meant to be about Natural Laws. the founders are masonics, they knew thus better than anyone else.

"A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:209, Papers 1:134

Man was given the dominion over nature by the Creator, so our "karma" is for sure to learn about how to evolve better than animals and respect Creation.

those who support ANY magistrates' ruling power are part of the problem. One cannot defeat a problem with the same thinking that created it.




You are the one who's delusional. I believe and support the constitution of the US. That is what this thread is about. I have facts on my side, you however do not. If you did, you'd easily explain your argument.

[Hitch]

the constitution failed because it was written for a population who couldnt write nor read. but it always meant to be about Natural Laws. the founders are masonics, they knew thus better than anyone else.

"A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:209, Papers 1:134

Man was given the dominion over nature by the Creator, so our "karma" is for sure to learn about how to evolve better than animals and respect Creation.

those who support ANY magistrates' ruling power are part of the problem. One cannot defeat a problem with the same thinking that created it.

The constitution, and any magistrates ruling power, are two different things. The constitution is what protects us, from those powers. People interchange the constitution with american laws, when in fact they are two separate things. You can be against laws, and rightful so, that limit our growth as individuals....but, a constitutionalist at heart because, that's the whole reason it was written, to protect us from tyranny.

[Hitch]

He makes his living giving seminars on "redemption" and "free man" techniques. Suckers flood him with FRNs. They fell for the confidence scheme. When he drives/travels/passes* over state-owned roads, he does exactly like everyone else who doesn't want their ass beat. He merely lives a phony persona as a form of advertisement. His private life is completely different from what he portrays himself as here or as a "teacher" in real life.

A con man who is all talk, and no substance. If he had any facts, he'd happily post video of his "techniques" in action. After all, he has

The problem is nothing these sovereigns say actually applies. Midnight will never say he drives without a license, and if pulled over by a cop, the cop listens to his black's law speech, that he's traveling, not driving.... then the cop thanks him for the education, and goes on his way.

No, it's all theory with these guys. I like you midnight, but you drive with a driver's license just like I do.

[crimethink]

those who support ANY magistrates' ruling power are part of the problem. One cannot defeat a problem with the same thinking that created it.

The distinction between "authority" and "power" are key.

The current regime has power but not authority.

Authority is the right to do something.

Power is the ability to make someone do something.

[crimethink]

constitutionalist at heart because, that's the whole reason it was written, to protect us from tyranny.

The Constitution was not written to protect us from tyranny. It was written to advance commerce. The Bill of Rights was written to protect us against tyranny. It failed, because the former gave too much power - and ability to amass more - to the government. The Ninth Amendment wasn't even in effect for a year before George Washington violated it. And not even a decade before the Alien & Sedition Acts were decreed (it took Jefferson to, temporarily, get rid of such outrages).

[Hitch]

The distinction between "authority" and "power" are key.

The current regime has power but not authority.

Authority is the right to do something.

Power is the ability to make someone do something.

And...the ball gets knocked out of the park! Grand slam, that ends the game... :)

[crimethink]

The problem is nothing these sovereigns say actually applies. Midnight will never say he drives without a license, and if pulled over by a cop, the cop listens to his black's law speech, that he's traveling, not driving.... then the cop thanks him for the education, and goes on his way.

No, it's all theory with these guys. I like you midnight, but you drive with a driver's license just like I do.

These "techniques" are peddled to make money from the suckers.

Every time someone has tried to implement them, the true believer ends up in a cage or dead. Without exception. Every single time. Those who peddle this bullshit, including Pharisee Fan ("midnight rambler"), have no shame, since they know people suffer & possibly die from these outright lies. "Not my problem."

The complete and total absence of evidence that these schemes work demonstrate they do not.

[Hitch]

The Constitution was not written to protect us from tyranny. It was written to advance commerce. The Bill of Rights was written to protect us against tyranny. It failed, because the former gave too much power - and ability to amass more - to the government. The Ninth Amendment wasn't even in effect for a year before George Washington violated it. And not even a decade before the Alien & Sedition Acts were decreed (it took Jefferson to, temporarily, get rid of such outrages).

True, however the Bill of Rights is what I was referring to, and it's still part of the Constitution. It hasn't completely failed, though most aspects of it are obsolete these days. The biggest ones that affect us, really are the 2nd amendment and the 4th amendment, search and seizure law. We lose those, we are done, period.

I still think they were ahead of their time though, when that was ratified. The 2nd amendment, as written...back then all they had were black powder rifles. They could not possible know the types of firearms we have today, but as written...protects us regardless.

[Hitch]

These "techniques" are peddled to make money from the suckers.

Every time someone has tried to implement them, the true believer ends up in a cage or dead. Without exception. Every single time. Those who peddle this bullshit, including Pharisee Fan ("midnight rambler"), have no shame, since they know people suffer & possibly die from these outright lies. "Not my problem."

The complete and total absence of evidence that these schemes work demonstrate they do not.

I think we need to hear about a few wins. All we hear is losses regarding these arguments.

I get it, the theory that once we have an SSN or DL it's not "us" but a fictitious entity, created by the state for profit, yet nothing applies with this knowledge for real life interactions. In short, nothing helps us as individuals, whom we all exist, in this corrupt system.

[crimethink]

True, however the Bill of Rights is what I was referring to, and it's still part of the Constitution. It hasn't completely failed, though most aspects of it are obsolete these days. The biggest ones that affect us, really are the 2nd amendment and the 4th amendment, search and seizure law. We lose those, we are done, period.

I still think they were ahead of their time though, when that was ratified. The 2nd amendment, as written...back then all they had were black powder rifles. They could not possible know the types of firearms we have today, but as written...protects us regardless.

I doubt that the "right" to own firearms will ever be fully extinguished. .22 LR rifles, single-shot, will surely remain legal. Single-shot 12 gauges, as well. But effective defense against thugs with or without badges will be erased.

The Fourth Amendment is now almost meaningless. Seen these home invasions during so-called "exigent circumstances"? The cops show up at your door, and they're coming in whether you like it or now. "We have an active shooter situation and we need to determine if he is evading justice inside your house." It's happened several times in the recent past. Dozens of homes, entire neighborhoods.

I've never had much love for "the Constitution," meaning, the original document of 1787/1789. The Articles of Confederation were just fine, but the (((merchants))) wanted easier trading across the states. The Constitution was negotiated largely in secret, excluding people like Jefferson (who was infuriated by this - "A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth."). It was then imposed on America, with questionable authority.

I subscribe to General Butler's maxim: "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.."

[midnight rambler]

You are the one who's delusional. I believe and support the constitution of the US. That is what this thread is about. I have facts on my side, you however do not. If you did, you'd easily explain your argument.

I DID explain, it's all about fear and obedience = worship. What/who do YOU fear and obey?

It could not be more abundantly clear that officeholders *under the Constitution* (cough, cough) do NOT fear and obey the people. The notion that 'the (vaunted) Constitution' is any sort of check whatsoever on deep state is CLEARLY delusional thinking.

[crimethink]

I think we need to hear about a few wins. All we hear is losses regarding these arguments.

I get it, the theory that once we have an SSN or DL it's not "us" but a fictitious entity, created by the state for profit, yet nothing applies with this knowledge for real life interactions. In short, nothing helps us as individuals, whom we all exist, in this corrupt system.

One of the "redemption" theories is that a "person' is a legal fiction, and this legal fiction is created by a birth certificate where the name is in all capital letters. Funny thing is, some of us have birth certificates in standard capitalization...including me.

I've sought proof that these techniques actually work, and have never been given any verifiable case citations, let alone video or even audio of them working. It's always "trust me," and if you say, "why?", it immediately shifts to "you are a Statist drone who can't understand what I'm telling you."

Truth is, I really, really, really wish these magic words worked...it would restore freedom to America in months.

[crimethink]

I DID explain, it's all about fear and obedience = worship. What/who do YOU fear and obey?

Jesus and His disciples routinely avoided "the authorities." Evading the enemy does not mean you worship them. Jesus told us to render to Caesar what is his, and noted whose face was on the coin in question. That does not mean Caesar was His or is our "lord."

[midnight rambler]

Jesus and His disciples routinely avoided "the authorities." Evading the enemy does not mean you worship them. Jesus told us to render to Caesar what is his, and cited whose face was on the coin in question. That does not mean Caesar was His or is is our "lord."

When you maintain that 'person'/legal fiction created by the state by 'renewing' it when demanded (when it 'expires' lol) you are in effect burning a pinch of incense for Caesar demonstrating your absolute loyalty to Caesar BEFORE ALL OTHERS. Denying it doesn't change a thing.

THE TRUTH IS you don't *avoid* the authorities, you hustle over and suck their balls on demand (anytime you apply for or renew a state issued ID card or DRIVER LICENSE). lol

[crimethink]

THE TRUTH IS you don't *avoid* the authorities, you run over and suck their balls on demand (anytime you apply for or renew a state issued ID card or DRIVER LICENSE). lol

How many thousands do you make from your "free man" seminars you hold? You know, the ones where you gleefully accept "Federal" Reserve Notes, Visa, and Mastercard.

Your phony persona is neither credible nor dignifying.

[midnight rambler]

How many thousands do you make from your "free man" seminars you hold? You know, the ones where you gleefully accept "Federal" Reserve Notes, Visa, and Mastercard.

Your phony persona is neither credible nor dignifying.

The funny part is that I don't keep or maintain a 'persona', phony* or otherwise whereas as anyone with a state issued ID is maintaining a phony persona (mask).

*is there any kind of persona other than phony (colorable)?? I'm under the impression that phantasms are phony from the get-go. ???

ETA: Oh yeah, my 'mini-seminars' are ALWAYS free! Why in the world would I accept debt for something of value?? ???

[crimethink]

The funny part is that I don't keep or maintain a 'persona', phony* or otherwise.

*is there any kind of persona other than phony?? I'm under the impression that phantasms are phony from the get-go. ???

You know exactly what I refer to. You pretend to be this "free man" who has magic words and techniques that make the state actors flee from you in horror. Yet, as Hitch has said, in reality, you follow "the law" just like everyone else. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. And not "law" as you conceive of it, but the statutes that are imposed with deadly force on all.

[midnight rambler]

You know exactly what I refer to. You pretend to be this "free man" who has magic words and techniques that make the state actors flee from you in horror. Yet, as Hitch has said, in reality, you follow "the law" just like everyone else. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. And not "law" as you conceive of it, but the statutes that are imposed with deadly force on all.

The thing is, you don't know what you don't know*. And I'm certainly not going to clue you in. For all I care you can continue to wallow in your own misery. lol I know you love it (which is why you persist in doing so).

*some may call this willful ignorance, however I view it more along the lines of the Dunning-Kruger effect

[Hitch]

The Fourth Amendment is now almost meaningless. Seen these home invasions during so-called "exigent circumstances"? The cops show up at your door, and they're coming in whether you like it or now. "We have an active shooter situation and we need to determine if he is evading justice inside your house." It's happened several times in the recent past. Dozens of homes, entire neighborhoods.

The 4th Amendment is the biggest issue we need to bring forth, as a nation, to ensure freedom going forward.

We can NOT LOSE the 4th Amendment.

"exigent circumstances"...yes, they taught that in academy. If you "feel" life or liberty is being harmed, you can toss away the 4th amendment completely, legally, justifiably, given the circumstances to become a big hero. Maybe you save a life, maybe you don't.

This is the gray area of the law. This is how things get corrupted.

I wish I had a solution.

[Hitch]

I DID explain, it's all about fear and obedience = worship. What/who do YOU fear and obey?

You did not explain. You are also asking me a direct question, to which I will answer.

I do not fear anything. I obey God and Jesus, and what's right. That's why I have no fear.

Now...I have answered, as directly to your question, as any man possibly could. Will you answer our questions the same way?

[midnight rambler]

You did not explain. You are also asking me a direct question, to which I will answer.

I do not fear anything. I obey God and Jesus, and what's right. That's why I have no fear.

Now...I have answered, as directly to your question, as any man possibly could. Will you answer our questions the same way?

If you have an unexpired state issued ID CARD or DRIVER LICENSE then the truth is you're maintaining a legal fiction out of FEAR and you're OBEYING your god the state, least your god the state send you to HELL!


I have no fear.


Utter bullshit for the above stated reason.

[Hitch]

If you have an unexpired state issued ID CARD or DRIVER LICENSE then the truth is you're maintaining a legal fiction out of FEAR and you're OBEYING your god the state, least your god the state send you to HELL!



Utter bullshit for the above stated reason.

You have the same license, in your wallet, right now. You fucking hypocrite!!

Do NOT BS us. Don't.

[midnight rambler]

You have the same license, in your wallet, right now. You fucking hypocrite!!

Do NOT BS us. Don't.

Dude, I've posted before over a period of YEARS the DL I formerly had EXPIRED in 2001 and has NOT been renewed. The state issued ID CARD I formerly had EXPIRED in ~2002 IIRC. What's the point of playing a game of make believe with a phantasm?? ???

Again, yet another case of the Dunning-Kruger effect*, imo.

*and it appears what I'm experiencing is the corollary of the Dunning-Kruger effect, i.e. "high-ability individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others." (although I've never really considered myself 'high ability' except with respect to where I spend much of my time, i.e. turd polishing, I am REALLY good at polishing turds!)

[Hitch]

Dude, I've posted before over a period of YEARS the DL I formerly had EXPIRED in 2001 and has NOT been renewed. The state issued ID CARD I formerly had EXPIRED in ~2002 IIRC. What's the point of playing a game of make believe with a phantasm?? ???

Again, yet another case of the Dunning-Kruger effect, imo.

If you are speaking the truth. I have no reason to think you are not....why not share what you know then?

Look. If you are willing to look me in the eye, I don't see how you can go about life without a DL. Maybe you never get pulled over. If that's the case, that's great, because it just means you are a responsible driver...

Bottom line...the longer you can go, with your lifestyle, the better the man you are. It just means you are living a good life, that's not even bothered to be investigated with out current administration, my two bits. The problem will be when the administration takes a looking towards you.

[7th trump]

Midnight has a drivers license.
Since he has a shit shoveling business (portapotties) hes probably pulling a palani by saying his regular drivers license has expired (and never renewed it) when he applied and received his CDL to drive the trucks around delivering the port a potties.
Or he doesnt have one but am illegal mexican is driving him around.

I've seen and talked with many sov-runs who say they dont have a drivers license.....they get pulled over and sent to see a judge the next morning..........lip stick Rodriquez is playing games.
Why do you think I ride palani as much as I do?
Palani never answers a question and neither does douche bag lip stick wing nut...all the same bullshit!

[7th trump]

If you are speaking the truth. I have no reason to think you are not....why not share what you know then?

Look. If you are willing to look me in the eye, I don't see how you can go about life without a DL. Maybe you never get pulled over. If that's the case, that's great, because it just means you are a responsible driver...

Bottom line...the longer you can go, with your lifestyle, the better the man you are. It just means you are living a good life, that's not even bothered to be investigated with out current administration, my two bits. The problem will be when the administration takes a looking towards you.

Lip stick is giving you lip service Hitch.