The Idle Army: America’s Unworking Men

[crimethink]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-idle-army-americas-unworking-men-1472769641

The Idle Army: America’s Unworking Men
Millions of young males have left the workforce and civic life. Full employment? The U.S. isn’t even close.

By Nicholas Eberstadt
Sept. 1, 2016 6:40 p.m. ET


Labor Day is an appropriate moment to reflect on a quiet catastrophe: the collapse, over two generations, of work for American men. During the past half-century, work rates for U.S. males spiraled relentlessly downward. America is now home to a vast army of jobless men who are no longer even looking for work—roughly seven million of them age 25 to 54, the traditional prime of working life.

This is arguably a crisis, but it is hardly ever discussed in the public square. Received wisdom holds that the U.S. is at or near “full employment.” Most readers have probably heard this, perhaps from the vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, who said in a speech last week that “it is a remarkable, and perhaps underappreciated, achievement that the economy has returned to near-full employment in a relatively short time after the Great Recession.”

Near-full employment? In 2015 the work rate (the ratio of employment to population) for American males age 25 to 54 was 84.4%. That’s slightly lower than it had been in 1940, 86.4%, at the tail end of the Great Depression. Benchmarked against 1965, when American men were at genuine full employment, the “male jobs deficit” in 2015 would be nearly 10 million, even after taking into account an older population and more adults in college.

Or look at the fraction of American men age 20 and older without paid work. In the past 50 years it rose to 32% from 19%, and not mainly because of population aging. For prime working-age men, the jobless rate jumped to 15% from 6%. Most of the postwar surge involved voluntary departure from the labor force.

Until roughly the outbreak of World War II, working-age American men fell into basically two categories: either holding a paid job or unemployed. There was no “third way” for able-bodied males. Today there is one: neither working nor seeking work—that is, men who are outside the labor force altogether. Unlike in the past, the U.S. is now evidently rich enough to carry them, after a fashion. The no-work life hardly consigns these men to destitution.

This is at least somewhat true throughout the affluent West, but the U.S. has led the pack. Not even in dysfunctional Greece or “lost generation” Japan has the male flight from work proceeded with such alacrity. The paradox is that Americans—those who do have jobs—are still among the rich world’s hardest-working people. No other developed society puts in such long hours, and at the same time supports such a large share of younger men neither holding jobs nor seeking them.

Who are America’s new cadre of prime-age male unworkers? They tend to be: 1) less educated; 2) never married; 3) native born; and 4) African-American. But those categories intersect in interesting ways. Black married men are more likely to be in the workforce than unmarried whites. Immigrants are more likely to be working or job-hunting than native-born Americans, regardless of ethnicity. High-school dropouts from abroad are as likely to be working or looking for work as native-born college grads.

What do unworking men do with their free time? Sadly, not much that’s constructive. About a tenth are students trying to improve their circumstances. But the overwhelming majority are what the British call NEET: “neither employed nor in education or training.” Time-use surveys suggest they are almost entirely idle—helping out around the house less than unemployed men; caring for others less than employed women; volunteering and engaging in religious activities less than working men and women or unemployed men. For the NEETs, “socializing, relaxing and leisure” is a full-time occupation, accounting for 3,000 hours a year, much of this time in front of television or computer screens.

Clearly big changes in the U.S. economy, including the decline of manufacturing and the Big Slowdown since the start of the century, have played a role. But something else is at work, too: the male flight from work has been practically linear over the past two generations, irrespective of economic conditions or recessions.

What we might call “sociological” factors are evident, not least the tremendous rise in unworking men who draw from government disability and means-tested benefit programs. There are also the barriers to work for America’s huge pool of male ex-prisoners and felons not behind bars—a poorly tracked cohort that accounts for one adult male in eight in the civilian population, excluding those in jail now.

Regardless of its cause, this new normal is inimical to America’s national interests. Declining labor-force participation and falling work rates have contributed to slower economic growth and widening gaps in income and wealth. Slower growth in turn reduces tax revenue and increases budgetary pressures, producing higher deficits and national debt. Unworking men have increased poverty in the U.S., not least among the great many children whose fathers are without jobs.

There are the social effects, too. The male retreat from the labor force has exacerbated family breakdown, promoted welfare dependence and recast “disability” into a viable alternative lifestyle. Among these men the death of work seems to mean also the death of civic engagement, community participation and voluntary association.

In short, the American male’s postwar flight from work is a grave social ill. Strangely, nearly everyone—the news media, major political parties, intellectuals, business leaders, policy makers—has managed to overlook it. The urgency of the moment is to bring this invisible crisis out of the shadows.

Imagine how different America would be today if another roughly 10 million men held paying jobs. It is imperative for the future health of the country to make a determined and sustained effort to bring these detached men back—into the workplace, into their families, into civil society.

Mr. Eberstadt is a political economist at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. This is adapted from his book “Men Without Work: America’s Invisible Crisis,” out this month from Templeton Press.

[Carl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmYOs9Cdgjo

[Ponce]

I started three business and did ok , first one installing my own security protectors (with $20,00) on doors, second one swap meet seller(with 50,00 dollars) and third my Squeeze balls (with 85,00 dollars) and then I retired......... as long as you work for someone else you will remain his slave and also slave to the IRS.

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[cheka.]

peak work has come and gone. need to rotate the work -- free shit army needs to rotate into labor force and let us take some breaks too

[Joshua01]

I started three business and did ok , first one installing my own security protectors (with $20,00) on doors, second one swap meet seller(with 50,00 dollars) and third my Squeeze balls (with 85,00 dollars) and then I retired......... as long as you work for someone else you will remain his slave and also slave to the IRS.

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You're plan sounds much better than mine was. I'm still in good shape but man I worked for it....and for someone else, which means I only got a small piece of the value

[woodman]

I own my own business and I work like a dog. The government takes my money and gives it to others. Collectivism. I saw today that a company is hiring truck drivers for $65K to $85k per year with a $5k sign on bonus. I've never made that kind of money. I am surrounded by non working malingerers who have convinced some bureaucrat somewhere, that they are either to stupid or to sick to work. They are stealing from me and I resent it bigtime.

[Spectrism]

I started three business and did ok , first one installing my own security protectors (with $20,00) on doors, second one swap meet seller(with 50,00 dollars) and third my Squeeze balls (with 85,00 dollars) and then I retired......... as long as you work for someone else you will remain his slave and also slave to the IRS.

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Did you have a retirement income? If you had other sources of income, you did not start any business with $80. You started it with a secure stream of income plus some scratch.

People locked into a hand-to-mouth situation will have a hard time thinking outside the box. And if it is easy (and cheap) to do, 500 people are already doing it in your neighborhood.

[crimethink]

I own my own business and I work like a dog. The government takes my money and gives it to others. Collectivism. I saw today that a company is hiring truck drivers for $65K to $85k per year with a $5k sign on bonus. I've never made that kind of money. I am surrounded by non working malingerers who have convinced some bureaucrat somewhere, that they are either to stupid or to sick to work. They are stealing from me and I resent it bigtime.

What's it's like having a victim mentality?

America has been permanently downsized, and it's getting worse. Yet those with Stockholm Syndrome want to blame the allegedly "lazy" - "malingerers" - instead of the Babylon System which has fucked over America for decades in favor of "globalism."

I know plenty of guys - smart, able White guys - who "aren't wanted" by the system. "Too old," "too risky," and sometimes, "too White." Did you actually apply for the truck driver job? "Extensive experience required"? "Training at your own expense required"? Tell us the whole story. And tell us why you didn't apply, if it's such good, "easy" money. Same with Burger King "help wanted" signs. Most of them should be in Spanish, because that's what the corporatists want.

I get sick to death of the bullshit spewed that "everyone who isn't working 40+ is lazy." That includes a large portion of the Blacks...some of them want to work. They've been fucked over by the System, in favor of Latrino invaders (it's why some Blacks are listening to Trump instead of following the Democrat Massah's talking points). And plenty of the millions of folks who are drawing disability really are disabled. Our civilization has never before had the mass poisoning of the population we have, so it's no surprise we have the most "used up and stuffed in the trash" population, as well. Serious illnesses are increasing in percentages for all, and, most disturbingly, rapidly among younger people (e.g., Autism, but also cancers and life-threatening auto-immune diseases). Are a percentage lying? Of course. Most? Hell no. A lot of them are veterans who had a shaft stuck up their backside by the VA, and told their war wounds "weren't service related." I know two such people.

So, my point: aim your hatred at the real problem, not the people whom you are one tragedy away from being yourself.

I posted the OP article because I understand what's really happening to tens of millions.

[crimethink]

Did you have a retirement income? If you had other sources of income, you did not start any business with $80. You started it with a secure stream of income plus some scratch.

People locked into a hand-to-mouth situation will have a hard time thinking outside the box. And if it is easy (and cheap) to do, 500 people are already doing it in your neighborhood.

People who have find it very easy to condemn those who don't have...our own kind, as well as everyone else. To start a "real" business," you either have to have a pile of cash, or be a non-American eligible for an SBA loan.

"I've got mine, figure out how to get yours." Cannibalization of our "brothers." Like I said, one tragedy away from being in the same boat as them.

[Jewboo]

I own my own business and I work like a dog. The government takes my money and gives it to others. Collectivism. I saw today that a company is hiring truck drivers for $65K to $85k per year with a $5k sign on bonus. I've never made that kind of money. I am surrounded by non working malingerers who have convinced some bureaucrat somewhere, that they are either to stupid or to sick to work. They are stealing from me and I resent it bigtime.

Woodman correctly identified the (((cause))) and also correctly notes the millions and millions of non-working malingerers who take advantage of this system. Malingerers.

:(?? Woodman nailed it

[crimethink]

Woodman correctly identified the (((cause))) and also correctly notes the millions and millions of non-working malingerers who take advantage of this system. Malingerers.

:(?? Woodman nailed it


Are you working 40+ or are you drawing Social Security?

[Jewboo]

Are you working 40+ or are you drawing Social Security?

I'm 68 years old and paid into Social Security for fifty years. Are you malingering lad?

:D

[crimethink]

I'm 68 years old and paid into Social Security for fifty years. Are you malingering lad?

:D




Tens of millions of folks who you allege are "malingers" also paid in for decades.

"Socialism" is "bad" unless it benefits oneself I guess.

I just don't understand the delusion that America can "get back to work" without a national employment program combined with Autarky (including a return of our factories to America).

[Jewboo]

Tens of millions of folks who you allege are "malingers" also paid in for decades.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xzlqoD28k3w/S6zzsKsILKI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/-ZANDVP2jhg/s1600/fat+man.jpg http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_371px/public/atoms/files/11-23-15ss-f1.png?itok=QEqud3Ne

Why should the tens of millions of SSI malingerers age 18-64 who never worked and never paid a dime get anything from Woodman's paycheck?

:)

[Hitch]

"Socialism" is "bad" unless it benefits oneself I guess.

SS isn't socialism, he paid into it for 50 years. It's not an entitlement. It's his money. They never should have forced him to pay into, but since he did, it's his money he's getting back from the thieves who stole it to begin with.

We are all in the same boat. I doubt I'll get anything back by the time I retire, glad to hear retired folks, now, at least get something.

[midnight rambler]

We are all in the same boat.

No, 'we' are not.

[Hitch]

No, 'we' are not.

You are a minority, and I'm sure you understand that. I'm a working stiff, blue collar, they take social security out of my check each week. Nothing I can do about it, if I want to keep my job. I worked 15 hours on Weds, 12 on Thurs, 13 on Friday, and 13 hours today. I'm blessed, I get to sleep in tomorrow and don't need to work until 2 pm. I've had my alarm set for 2 am the past several days.

Nothing I can do about SS, I pay into it. Have to, to keep my job which I love actually. Maybe I'll get lucky and get a few FRNs when I retire from it. Not planning on it, but who knows for sure.

[7th trump]

SS isn't socialism, he paid into it for 50 years. It's not an entitlement. It's his money. They never should have forced him to pay into, but since he did, it's his money he's getting back from the thieves who stole it to begin with.

We are all in the same boat. I doubt I'll get anything back by the time I retire, glad to hear retired folks, now, at least get something.
Nope, SS is entitlement. The government can stop Ss any time and you're shit out of luck if you had 40 years in and never drew on it.

Nobody stole anything...you volunteered into participating by signing your sig on the W4.
The government didnt force you to participate......but the employer...now that's different.
Its not the governments fault if the employer has interpreted the laws in favor of the government.

And the one whos at fault the most......THATS YOU!

[crimethink]

Why should the tens of millions of SSI malingerers age 18-64 who never worked and never paid a dime get anything from Woodman's paycheck?


Comes out of my paychecks, too, just like funding endless war comes out of all our paychecks. Yet I don't hear anywhere near the same invective against the Pentagram's budget (which recently admitted over $6 TRILLION is "missing").

A large portion* of people on SSI did pay in, just not "enough" to be solely OASDI, BTW. Most are concurrent Title II/Title XVI recipients. Those who didn't pay in at all are the severely disabled, and foreigners. Attack the latter all you like, but leave our own people alone.


* about 44%, as of December 2014 ("About 64.2 million people received a payment from one or more programs administered by SSA. Most (55.9 million) received OASDI benefits only, about 5.6 million received SSI only, and
2.7 million received payments from both programs." - https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/chartbooks/fast_facts/2015/fast_facts15.pdf)

[crimethink]

SS isn't socialism, he paid into it for 50 years. It's not an entitlement. It's his money. They never should have forced him to pay into, but since he did, it's his money he's getting back from the thieves who stole it to begin with.

FICA payments are "legally" not insurance premiums despite the name, and no one is entitled to Title II payouts (42 USC 1304), no matter how much they paid in, per the Federal regime. See Flemming vs. Nestor. Social Security is paid at the "goodness" of Congress, who can shut it down at anytime.

It's not "his" or "my" money. That's one of the reasons the Social Security "Trust" Funds were raided for endless war.

And as so-called "conservatives" like to spew routinely, Social Security is "socialism," since it's dependent upon continued tax payments to support it.

[woodman]

What's it's like having a victim mentality?

America has been permanently downsized, and it's getting worse. Yet those with Stockholm Syndrome want to blame the allegedly "lazy" - "malingerers" - instead of the Babylon System which has fucked over America for decades in favor of "globalism."

I know plenty of guys - smart, able White guys - who "aren't wanted" by the system. "Too old," "too risky," and sometimes, "too White." Did you actually apply for the truck driver job? "Extensive experience required"? "Training at your own expense required"? Tell us the whole story. And tell us why you didn't apply, if it's such good, "easy" money. Same with Burger King "help wanted" signs. Most of them should be in Spanish, because that's what the corporatists want.

I get sick to death of the bullshit spewed that "everyone who isn't working 40+ is lazy." That includes a large portion of the Blacks...some of them want to work. They've been fucked over by the System, in favor of Latrino invaders (it's why some Blacks are listening to Trump instead of following the Democrat Massah's talking points). And plenty of the millions of folks who are drawing disability really are disabled. Our civilization has never before had the mass poisoning of the population we have, so it's no surprise we have the most "used up and stuffed in the trash" population, as well. Serious illnesses are increasing in percentages for all, and, most disturbingly, rapidly among younger people (e.g., Autism, but also cancers and life-threatening auto-immune diseases). Are a percentage lying? Of course. Most? Hell no. A lot of them are veterans who had a shaft stuck up their backside by the VA, and told their war wounds "weren't service related." I know two such people.

So, my point: aim your hatred at the real problem, not the people whom you are one tragedy away from being yourself.

I posted the OP article because I understand what's really happening to tens of millions.

Fuck you. How's that for aiming my hatred. You have a shallow and one-sided intellect. Pompous bitch!

[Jewboo]

...Most people on SSI did pay in, just not "enough" to be solely OASDI, BTW...Those who didn't pay in at all are the severely disabled, and foreigners....



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Absolute nonsense. Malingerers.

[Hitch]

Nope, SS is entitlement. The government can stop Ss any time and you're shit out of luck if you had 40 years in and never drew on it.

Nobody stole anything...you volunteered into participating by signing your sig on the W4.
The government didnt force you to participate......but the employer...now that's different.
Its not the governments fault if the employer has interpreted the laws in favor of the government.

And the one whos at fault the most......THATS YOU!

Look at reality. I volunteered because I want to work. I would not be able to work, if I did not volunteer. So, genius, did I actually volunteer? NO. I did not. I was forced to sign up, so I could work and make a living.

Logic like this is a disease.

Every dollar I pay into SS is my work, my earnings. It is not an entitlement. I want my money back, period. If you think upon retirement I don't deserve it back, you are a thief.

BTW, being a thief is in direct violation of the ten commandments. I expected more out of a Christian like you, 7th.

[crimethink]

The word for the day, boys & girls is:

schadenfreude

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schadenfreude

People here at GSUS should know better than be fanatics parroting Fox "News" or FreakRepublic talking points.

These are our people, and, again, you are one tragedy away from being just like them.

[crimethink]

Fuck you. How's that for aiming my hatred. You have a shallow and one-sided intellect. Pompous bitch!

Ah, poor baby, did I invade your safe space? Don't you have what it takes to be a truck driver? All that money is waiting for you, if you are man enough to earn it.

Do you draw veterans benefits, too?

[Jewboo]

The word for the day, boys & girls is: schadenfreude



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The word of the day is Malingering as Woodman wisely chose.

[crimethink]

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Absolute nonsense. Malingerers.


LIE #1: Fraud is rampant in Social Security. FACT: ONE-PERCENT of payouts are fraudulent.

LIE #2: People are living well on Social Security. FACT: the average payout is less than $1200/month, far less than most civilized countries give their disabled.

LIE #3: It is incredibly easy to get Social Security Disability. FACT: the vast majority of applicants are denied, even when disability is obvious. America has the strictest eligibility requirements in the Western world.


If it's so easy, I invite woodman, et. al., to sign up today. Go to http://www.ssa.gov/, and apply for Social Security Disability. Claim "chronic headaches" and "anxiety" and "back pain." After all, that's what the liars claim most people who get disability use to become eligible. The check will be in the mail next week! :rolleyes:


(fucking retards)

[woodman]

I have many Amish living near me. Mostly they keep to themselves. They don't complain and they work hard. They don't pay taxes for the most part, working for cash at any opportunity. They live as we all lived once. Any one of them who does not pull their weight is ostracized and will not be allowed to parasitize the group. They are certainly not perfect and not without severe faults. I respect them though. I have worked along-side them and they are tough as can be.

I can think of no better way to live, than to work and live by one's muscle and wits, knowing that you are providing for yourself and those who are bound to you. I can think of no worse way to live than to suck off of the labor of hard working men and women. It sickens me to see how these creatures use the system to what they believe is their benefit. Actually it is a double edged sword that strikes them down faster than it takes down those who are providing for their living. They rot and decay fast. They have nothing to do but fester and stew in their own juices. Profligacy is a bitch. It is the struggle of life that makes it sweet, but it is not meant to be as hard as it is for those of us who are out there doing the things that need to be done. We live in the land of plenty but are run to a ragged edge by our own government, that government that is supposed to protect our 'life, liberty and pursuit of happiness' but has become instead a raging slave-master, intent on destroying the very thing that gives it justification for being.

I brought up the truck driver add that I saw today because I found it amazing. I see the highways are absolutely overrun by trucks. This is not sustainable. It is obvious to any one with any amount of foresight that this will end badly and soon. Any sane society would use a separate rail system to move freight long distance.

8441

[crimethink]

The word of the day is Malingering as Woodman wisely chose.


Do you have any data to back this up, or are you just spewing "conservative" Jewsmedia talking points?

I'm eager to hear if woodman has what it takes to be a truck driver.

[crimethink]

I have many Amish living near me. Mostly they keep to themselves. They don't complain and they work hard. They don't pay taxes for the most part, working for cash at any opportunity. They live as we all lived once. Any one of them who does not pull their weight is ostracized and will not be allowed to parasitize the group. They are certainly not perfect and not without severe faults. I respect them though. I have worked along-side them and they are tough as can be.


The Amish are an anachronism. That type of community - giant family, in fact - doesn't exist for most Americans anymore. So, what are the socially abandoned folks to do? Die, right?

I've seen how most "families" never visit their sick or disabled family members. Too often. When I did field work, I was their "family." They sometimes just wanted to talk on the phone. The crushing loneliness got to me - not mine, theirs. This society, lovers of money, doesn't give a shit about people.




I can think of no better way to live, than to work and live by one's muscle and wits, knowing that you are providing for yourself and those who are bound to you. I can think of no worse way to live than to suck off of the labor of hard working men and women. It sickens me to see how these creatures use the system to what they believe is their benefit. Actually it is a double edged sword that strikes them down faster than it takes down those who are providing for their living. They rot and decay fast. They have nothing to do but fester and stew in their own juices. Profligacy is a bitch. It is the struggle of life that makes it sweet, but it is not meant to be as hard as it is for those of us who are out there doing the things that need to be done. We live in the land of plenty but are run to a ragged edge by our own government, that government that is supposed to protect our 'life, liberty and pursuit of happiness' but has become instead a raging slave-master, intent on destroying the very thing that gives it justification for being.


Most of our money is taken by the Federal regime for endless war and "security." Yet those who spew about "welfare" rarely, I mean, very rarely, attack that. Most of them even have the chutzpah to claim trillions upon trillions for war and "security" are "constitutional," as though that makes it right.

Why don't you step back from your myopic perception of the modern world, and thank God Almighty that you aren't like these alleged "malingers," who have their own private Hells every day, all day? Someone always has it worse than we do, so rather than be envious of what you think you know about their lives, appreciate what you have.




I brought up the truck driver add that I saw today because I found it amazing. I see the highways are absolutely overrun by trucks. This is not sustainable. It is obvious to any one with any amount of foresight that this will end badly and soon. Any sane society would use a separate rail system to move freight long distance.


You mentioned that you don't earn near what the truck driver "opportunity" was offering. Perhaps you should go one step further and understand that the legions of unemployed noted in the OP have millions of phantom "jobs" "available" to them in a similar way.




8441

Bizarre. You post this cartoon, which tells us you "understand," yet you have venom for those who get by on less than $1200/month (less than $900/month for SSI).

[Hitch]

I'm eager to hear if woodman has what it takes to be a truck driver.

He doesn't want to be a truck driver. He brought that up to make a point.

He doesn't want to pay for others to sit around and do nothing. I agree with him.

[woodman]

Do you have any data to back this up, or are you just spewing "conservative" Jewsmedia talking points?

I'm eager to hear if woodman has what it takes to be a truck driver.

No I don't. I work with my hands and with machines to create amazing floors. I make stages and gymnasium and aerobic floors. I also do varied carpentry tasks. I am highly skilled. I do sense that I somehow struck a nerve, crimethink. Do you work, or are you sucking off the labors of hard working people? How is it that someone obviously young, as you are, can have all the time in the world to post inanities all day and night on line?

[Jewboo]

Do you have any data to back this up, or are you just spewing "conservative" Jewsmedia talking points?



Oh. Now you demand "data". How about going outside once in awhile and just noticing the nearby SSI recipients. Bunch of lazy fuck parasites. I personally know some of them. We all do:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENjPBkntfcU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCWBFIu921U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzub2SCf3qA

[Carl]

~ I saw today that a company is hiring truck drivers for $65K to $85k per year with a $5k sign on bonus. I've never made that kind of money. ~

I was an OTR driver for over 7 years and I can tell you with near 100% certainty, that add is F.O.S., especially so considering the company advertizing is giving a P.O. Box as its address. There is no legal way, or a reality based way, a company driver can put in the miles needed to bring home $65k a year, let alone $85k. Even owner operators would be hard pressed to get $65k.

[woodman]

I suspect crimethink is a malingerer. They used to be put to death in the 'good old days'. What do you do for a living crimethink? Living of the fat of the land?

[cheka.]

negro coworker is 60 pct disabled, from frostbite toe. he got a toe in the army during peacetime - he was in a tank in germany one night when it got cold.

he didnt file for it until 30 years after the event (about 3 years ago). his first attempt they told him to stfu and get out of their office. he then tapped a negro lawyer to get involved. bam! he now gets 60 percent of max every month.

but it gets better. he got a lump sum check going all the way back to the time of the injury...the calc included him and his kidz from two different hos over that 30 years....plus interest. he took some of that money and flew to kentucky to pick up his 70k new corvette off of the assembly line. dont know what he did with the rest

toe negro works more than i do - averaging about 60 hours a week, knocking down 130k/yr....and is a member of the fire crew (with physical aptitude tests)

this just one of many examples i have personal experience with (i live in area thick with negroes/mexicans/illegals...so know all the tricks and many jawdropping stories)

this one scam is going to cost us a half a million or so...

next week i'll tell you about his negro wife and her tinnitus...which she acquired immediately after collecting her six figure severance check from nasa (affirm action hire that bilked them for 20 plus years)......this when obomba killed off half of houston nasa to move those jobs to battleground florida state.

the week after that i'll tell you about his brother..

[woodman]

negro coworker is 60 pct disabled, from frostbite toe. he got a toe in the army during peacetime - he was in a tank in germany one night when it got cold.

he didnt file for it until 30 years after the event (about 3 years ago). his first attempt they told him to stfu and get out of their office. he then tapped a negro lawyer to get involved. bam! he now gets 60 percent of max every month.

but it gets better. he got a lump sum check going all the way back to the time of the injury...the calc included him and his kidz from two different hos over that 30 years. he took some of that money and flew to kentucky to pick up his 70k new corvette off of the assembly line. dont know what he did with the rest

toe negro works more than i do - averaging about 60 hours a week, knocking down 130k/yr....and is a member of the fire crew (with physical aptitude tests)

this just one of many examples i have personal experience with (i live in area thick with negroes/mexicans/illegals...so know all the tricks and many jawdropping stories)

This is all being done on purpose. It's purpose is to demoralize society. It is working wonderfully for those who are pulling the strings.

[crimethink]

He doesn't want to be a truck driver. He brought that up to make a point.


"Easy money" waiting there. Why not?




He doesn't want to pay for others to sit around and do nothing. I agree with him.

Who are these people? After all, with all this alleged "rampant fraud," I'm sure you can identify three people by name that fit this allegation? What did the SSA OIG say when you reported these fraudsters?

[crimethink]

No I don't. I work with my hands and with machines to create amazing floors. I make stages and gymnasium and aerobic floors. I also do varied carpentry tasks. I am highly skilled. I do sense that I somehow struck a nerve, crimethink. Do you work, or are you sucking off the labors of hard working people? How is it that someone obviously young, as you are, can have all the time in the world to post inanities all day and night on line?

Yeah, you hit a nerve, punk. You've maligned hundreds of good & decent people I've met in my career whose only "crime" was to get sick or get hurt.

You make a pittance serving the rich and think-they're-rich, and you're bitter about that. Who's fault is that? "Amazing floors" for banksters, lawyers, and those with mortgaged-up-the-ass houses.

As for me, I'm 45, and I'm sorry you're jealous that my combination of innate intelligence and skill set allows me to have constant access to the Internet. My undergraduate schooling was in the social sciences, and my IT knowledge is self-taught. I don't have to suck rich men's cocks, and say, "I'z aims to please!" when they demand their hardwood flooring be done to their whim. And for less than $65,000/year! I should be laughing at you, rather than be angry about your stupidity.

[crimethink]

Oh. Now you demand "data". How about going outside once in awhile and just noticing the nearby SSI recipients. Bunch of lazy fuck parasites. I personally know some of them. We all do:

[videos - two of which are completely irrelevant to the discussion of Social Security, as they are worker's comp fraud - deleted]

You know I was a social worker most of my professional life. And hence, you should know I've worked with hundreds of folks who were sick or injured, permanently. I don't take kindly to predators preying on the weak. I pull out my guns, figuratively most of the time.

For every con-artist who is taking SSA, county welfare, or whatever other agency for a ride, there are a hundred who are not.

What I don't ever hear from people who claim that there are "millions" of con-artists who "do nothing all day" is a credible claim that they called in these crooks to have them shut down. The balloon of hot air deflates quickly.

[crimethink]

I suspect crimethink is a malingerer. They used to be put to death in the 'good old days'. What do you do for a living crimethink? Living of the fat of the land?

What I do is above your cognitive capacity.

[Jewboo]

...I do sense that I somehow struck a nerve, crimethink. Do you work...

Among all your ad hom you didn't actually answer his question CT.

;D you just demeaned his gainful employment

[crimethink]

negro coworker is 60 pct disabled, from frostbite toe. he got a toe in the army during peacetime - he was in a tank in germany one night when it got cold.

he didnt file for it until 30 years after the event (about 3 years ago). his first attempt they told him to stfu and get out of their office. he then tapped a negro lawyer to get involved. bam! he now gets 60 percent of max every month.

but it gets better. he got a lump sum check going all the way back to the time of the injury...the calc included him and his kidz from two different hos over that 30 years....plus interest. he took some of that money and flew to kentucky to pick up his 70k new corvette off of the assembly line. dont know what he did with the rest

toe negro works more than i do - averaging about 60 hours a week, knocking down 130k/yr....and is a member of the fire crew (with physical aptitude tests)

this just one of many examples i have personal experience with (i live in area thick with negroes/mexicans/illegals...so know all the tricks and many jawdropping stories)

this one scam is going to cost us a half a million or so...

next week i'll tell you about his negro wife and her tinnitus...which she acquired immediately after collecting her six figure severance check from nasa (affirm action hire that bilked them for 20 plus years)......this when obomba killed off half of houston nasa to move those jobs to battleground florida state.

the week after that i'll tell you about his brother..

He is not getting Social Security. VA, perhaps? But in reality, the true story is probably that you are being snowed by a Nigger. Very, very unlikely for VA to approve benefits 30 years after the fact. And not "60 percent disabled" for one toe.

If all these are actually facts, have you called the VA OIG?

[crimethink]

Among all your ad hom you didn't actually answer his question CT.

;D you just demeaned his gainful employment

Ah, Mister Privacy wants me to reveal personally identifiable information here. :rolleyes:

[Jewboo]

Are you working 40+ or are you drawing Social Security?


Ah, Mister Privacy wants me to reveal personally identifiable information here. :rolleyes:


:rolleyes: demands to know Woodman's and my employment...then refuses to say what his is...lol

WOODMAN wins this debate fair and square.

[cheka.]

He is not getting Social Security. VA, perhaps? But in reality, the true story is probably that you are being snowed by a Nigger. Very, very unlikely for VA to approve benefits 30 years after the fact. And not "60 percent disabled" for one toe.

If all these are actually facts, have you called the VA OIG?

coworker has been in touch with them. at least two more of us will too. wife, brother NOT vets

the new vette (paid cash, picked up at kentucky assembly line) is pretty convincing

[crimethink]

:rolleyes: demands to know Woodman's and my employment...then refuses to say what his is...lol

WOODMAN wins this debate fair and square.

You are suffering senility. I did not "demand" to know woodman's employment: he volunteered it. I did not "demand" to know your employment: I asked whether you worked 40+ hours or took Social Security.

I gave you the necessary information to know what I do. No, I'm not giving you my business name, any more than you will disclose your personally identifiable information.

I never thought you'd have so much in common with Ayn Rand. You both "deserve" Social Security while condemning others who receive it.

[crimethink]

coworker has been in touch with them. at least two more of us will too. wife, brother NOT vets

OIG will likely shred his case quickly, unless it's a Nigger investigating. I bet this Nigger made shit up in addition to his missing toe, and the analyst/evaluator who approved his claim was a fellow beast. Everyone I know who's had to deal with VA has had no end of Hell getting approved for anything. A couple have been outright denied - "not service related" - despite the injuries occurring on the battlefield on duty.

[Jewboo]

For every con-artist who is taking SSA, county welfare, or whatever other agency for a ride, there are a hundred who are not.



Your assertion that 99% on SSA are legitimate is beyond any reasonable debate.

Half of those lazy bums could be doing some kind of work to support themselves. Half.

:(??

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[cheka.]

negro with a toe....vette looks something like this

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5550/14559565304_71fa250202_b.jpg

[cheka.]

OIG will likely shred his case quickly, unless it's a Nigger investigating. I bet this Nigger made shit up in addition to his missing toe, and the analyst/evaluator who approved his claim was a fellow beast. Everyone I know who's had to deal with VA has had no end of Hell getting approved for anything. A couple have been outright denied - "not service related" - despite the injuries occurring on the battlefield on duty.

from his story, the key was the negro lawyer and her recommended 'doctor'

didnt lose a toe either -- frostbite damage, numbness

[cheka.]

Your assertion that 99% on SSA are legitimate is beyond any reasonable debate.

Half of those bums could being doing some kind of work to support themselves. Half.

:(??


my next door neighbor in the hood (illegal) was getting gov benefits.....too fat to work. this in the 90's

that hood was very vibrant -- nigs, illegals, gunshots regular, nigs pissing on my porch...stealing everything that wasnt nailed down. good times

[crimethink]

Your assertion that 99% on SSA are legitimate is beyond any reasonable debate.

Half of those bums could being doing some kind of work to support themselves. Half.

:(??


Bush's appointee Astrue gave the figure of 1%. Argue with him. You're also welcome to argue with the OIG reports that he was citing.

And, again, you make a fool of yourself; plenty of people getting Social Security continue to work:

https://www.ssa.gov/work/

My clients generally earned about $200 - $500 a month.

But the big question is: would you hire most people on Social Security Disability? Would 95% of businesses?

Nope.

[crimethink]

from his story, the key was the negro lawyer and her recommended 'doctor'

didnt lose a toe either -- frostbite damage, numbness

VA has independent examinations in place, so the problem was clearly internal, not just the Nigger lawyer and "doctor." An orthopedist or podiatrist could have easily smashed the claim of "numbness" quickly, apart from the fact he works as a firefighter. Someone didn't refer out for the C&P Exam.

[Hitch]

didnt lose a toe either -- frostbite damage, numbness

It doesn't matter whether he lost it or not, it's a toe. Name ONE occupation where a toe is needed to do the job. None. You could lose a toe on each foot and do 100# of the jobs out there.

I have never seen any job description that stated...we would like a university degree, certifications in microsoft, and also, both toes on your feet.

I have never seen any blue collar job stating, crane experience is good. You must wear a hard hat. BTW, we do daily inspections to make sure you have both toes. A missing toe, means disqualification.

It's a toe. You don't need it. Losing one makes no difference to the quality of your life unless you like to wear flipflops.

[Jewboo]

But the big question is: would you hire most people on Social Security Disability? Would 95% of businesses? Nope.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2Yur88V6Imw/Te9gcdICiZI/AAAAAAAAAQE/xdmw0phMJXQ/s1600/fatman.bmp

Yeah...let's steal money out of Woodman's paycheck and give it to this job seeker.

[crimethink]

It doesn't matter whether he lost it or not, it's a toe. Name ONE occupation where a toe is needed to do the job. None. You could lose a toe on each foot and do 100# of the jobs out there.

I have never seen any job description that stated...we would like a university degree, certifications in microsoft, and also, both toes on your feet.

I have never seen any blue collar job stating, crane experience is good. You must wear a hard hat. BTW, we do daily inspections to make sure you have both toes. A missing toe, means disqualification.

It's a toe. You don't need it. Losing one makes no difference to the quality of your life unless you like to wear flipflops.

The proof of fraud is here:

negro works more than i do - averaging about 60 hours a week, knocking down 130k/yr....and is a member of the fire crew (with physical aptitude tests)

If you can be a firefighter, you are not disabled under VA rules (nor SSA rules). Period.

[crimethink]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2Yur88V6Imw/Te9gcdICiZI/AAAAAAAAAQE/xdmw0phMJXQ/s1600/fatman.bmp

Yeah...let's steal money out of Woodman's paycheck because nobody wants to him them.

Just admit it: you want the sick and disabled to simply die. They're "too expensive."

"Batman" there probably runs a server farm that keeps this site up. Typical fat anime geek.

[Jewboo]

Just admit it: you want the sick and disabled to simply die.



http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Fat-Woman-2.jpg

Woodman just wants millions of lazy fakers out of his wallet. They won't die...lol.

[cheka.]

VA has independent examinations in place, so the problem was clearly internal, not just the Nigger lawyer and "doctor." An orthopedist or podiatrist could have easily smashed the claim of "numbness" quickly, apart from the fact he works as a firefighter. Someone didn't refer out for the C&P Exam.

his disabled vet plates on his work truck drives one of my work friends crazy. friend's dad was ww2 pilot, shot down, pow, crippled for life.... he has to smoke a couple of cigs and mumble some muthorfckers to calm down

[cheka.]

The proof of fraud is here:

negro works more than i do - averaging about 60 hours a week, knocking down 130k/yr....and is a member of the fire crew (with physical aptitude tests)

If you can be a firefighter, you are not disabled under VA rules (nor SSA rules). Period.

this is one of the things we are reporting. we are in the early stages -- one of four likely reports

[cheka.]

The proof of fraud is here:

negro works more than i do - averaging about 60 hours a week, knocking down 130k/yr....and is a member of the fire crew (with physical aptitude tests)

If you can be a firefighter, you are not disabled under VA rules (nor SSA rules). Period.

we also have nycfd guy getting 2,000 month disability from 9/11 on same fire crew - that one is white

[Hillbilly]

What's it's like having a victim mentality?

America has been permanently downsized, and it's getting worse. Yet those with Stockholm Syndrome want to blame the allegedly "lazy" - "malingerers" - instead of the Babylon System which has fucked over America for decades in favor of "globalism."

I know plenty of guys - smart, able White guys - who "aren't wanted" by the system. "Too old," "too risky," and sometimes, "too White." Did you actually apply for the truck driver job? "Extensive experience required"? "Training at your own expense required"? Tell us the whole story. And tell us why you didn't apply, if it's such good, "easy" money. Same with Burger King "help wanted" signs. Most of them should be in Spanish, because that's what the corporatists want.

I get sick to death of the bullshit spewed that "everyone who isn't working 40+ is lazy." That includes a large portion of the Blacks...some of them want to work. They've been fucked over by the System, in favor of Latrino invaders (it's why some Blacks are listening to Trump instead of following the Democrat Massah's talking points). And plenty of the millions of folks who are drawing disability really are disabled. Our civilization has never before had the mass poisoning of the population we have, so it's no surprise we have the most "used up and stuffed in the trash" population, as well. Serious illnesses are increasing in percentages for all, and, most disturbingly, rapidly among younger people (e.g., Autism, but also cancers and life-threatening auto-immune diseases). Are a percentage lying? Of course. Most? Hell no. A lot of them are veterans who had a shaft stuck up their backside by the VA, and told their war wounds "weren't service related." I know two such people.

So, my point: aim your hatred at the real problem, not the people whom you are one tragedy away from being yourself.

I posted the OP article because I understand what's really happening to tens of millions.

Quoted for truth, this is exactly what is going on.

[Hillbilly]

:rolleyes: demands to know Woodman's and my employment...then refuses to say what his is...lol

WOODMAN wins this debate fair and square.

The Hell he did, woodman has ended up like a one legged man in an ass kicking competition.

[woodman]

The Hell he did, woodman has ended up like a one legged man in an ass kicking competition.

Personally, I haven't even noticed a debate. I was attacked by crimethink for making some observations and noting what is going on. In his reply to my post he repeatedly contradicted himself. He made some very valid points about working people although I doubt he has ever worked a day in his life. He has spent his life sucking off of working people who actually produce something. His occupation is dependent upon the theft of monies from working men and women and he claims that these very people have no ground upon which to be complaining. We are whiners according to crimethink. Crimethink worships at the alter of National Socialism and yet under National Socialism many of those people that he surely calls 'clients' would have put to death or in work camps.

"Arbeit Macht Frei "

Crimethink sees no contradiction here. I am not debating anything. Crimethink is not and never will be my equal and I certainly won't lower myself so far as to debate facts with this monkey.

There is no debate here. This country is chock full of people who are sucking off of others. I see it all around me and to deny it is surely a form of insanity. All the people I work with see it. The only people who don't see it are those who are on the take or somehow dependent upon this theft such as a 'social worker'.

I will note that crimethink actually implicated himself of theft of public monies. In his post above he claims that because of his planning and intelligence he is in a position where he can post all day long on the internet. Who is paying for this 'service' he is providing? Someone is paying for his lengthy tirades. Is it part of his job description? If he does not work for government he surely works for a company that uses public money. He is himself, that which he would destroy under National Socialism.

Cimethink is an integral part of the problems in society that he decries. He is a collectivist and a follower of the Judaic legacy of theft from the goyim.

[7th trump]

Just admit it: you want the sick and disabled to simply die. They're "too expensive."

"Batman" there probably runs a server farm that keeps this site up. Typical fat anime geek.

Hitler had the right idea....exterminate the mentally ill. They do nobody nor themselves any good.

[7th trump]

I was an OTR driver for over 7 years and I can tell you with near 100% certainty, that add is F.O.S., especially so considering the company advertizing is giving a P.O. Box as its address. There is no legal way, or a reality based way, a company driver can put in the miles needed to bring home $65k a year, let alone $85k. Even owner operators would be hard pressed to get $65k.

Have a friend whos been otr owner since high school...he brings in 200,000+ a year now. Bought his first new truck Peterbuilt in 92...paid cash and financed the trailer. Buys a new peter built every third year. Bought a small 50 acreage farm 6 years later...paid cash. Built a pole barn for the semi...paid cash. Bought a second truck and hired a driver...paid cash. His wife a registered nurse and they have two kids who are both going to college....college is paid for.
65k a year seems like entry level.
But hes never home..always on the road.

[7th trump]

Look at reality. I volunteered because I want to work. I would not be able to work, if I did not volunteer. So, genius, did I actually volunteer? NO. I did not. I was forced to sign up, so I could work and make a living.

Logic like this is a disease.

Every dollar I pay into SS is my work, my earnings. It is not an entitlement. I want my money back, period. If you think upon retirement I don't deserve it back, you are a thief.

BTW, being a thief is in direct violation of the ten commandments. I expected more out of a Christian like you, 7th.

You wont ever get your money back...legally the government doesnt have to.....you're to understand the law, not abuse it by believing you're entitled to your money that you volunteered into SS which says the money is just gratuity.
The government didnt take your money....you volunteered to give it to them in return for benefits that can be stopped at any time. Its not their responsibility for you to understand the SS laws...thats your responsibility. Take it up with your employer and educate them like I did to stop all withholdings and deductions.
Also the government didnt say you have to participate in SS to work otherwise there wouldnt be a W4 for you to sign...they'd just deduct from your pay like china and russia does.

[Spectrism]

Personally, I haven't even noticed a debate. I was attacked by crimethink for making some observations and noting what is going on. In his reply to my post he repeatedly contradicted himself. He made some very valid points about working people although I doubt he has ever worked a day in his life. He has spent his life sucking off of working people who actually produce something. His occupation is dependent upon the theft of monies from working men and women and he claims that these very people have no ground upon which to be complaining. We are whiners according to crimethink. Crimethink worships at the alter of National Socialism and yet under National Socialism many of those people that he surely calls 'clients' would have put to death or in work camps.

"Arbeit Macht Frei "

Crimethink sees no contradiction here. I am not debating anything. Crimethink is not and never will be my equal and I certainly won't lower myself so far as to debate facts with this monkey.

There is no debate here. This country is chock full of people who are sucking off of others. I see it all around me and to deny it is surely a form of insanity. All the people I work with see it. The only people who don't see it are those who are on the take or somehow dependent upon this theft such as a 'social worker'.

I will note that crimethink actually implicated himself of theft of public monies. In his post above he claims that because of his planning and intelligence he is in a position where he can post all day long on the internet. Who is paying for this 'service' he is providing? Someone is paying for his lengthy tirades. Is it part of his job description? If he does not work for government he surely works for a company that uses public money. He is himself, that which he would destroy under National Socialism.

Cimethink is an integral part of the problems in society that he decries. He is a collectivist and a follower of the Judaic legacy of theft from the goyim.


Wow. You are one sick puppy. Maybe you need to pull your head out of your ass soon.

[Spectrism]

Hitler had the right idea....exterminate the mentally ill. They do nobody nor themselves any good.


I think you have been judged mentally ill.

[woodman]

Wow. You are one sick puppy. Maybe you need to pull your head out of your ass soon.

Nice attack. Why do you feel this? If I am wrong somewhere, then correct me. If you can prove to me that my head is in my ass, then I will thank you and attempt to improve myself. I note a curious spate of this behavior. Just what is it that I am saying that you take issue with?

[Hitch]

You wont ever get your money back...legally the government doesnt have to.....you're to understand the law, not abuse it by believing you're entitled to your money that you volunteered into SS which says the money is just gratuity.
The government didnt take your money....you volunteered to give it to them in return for benefits that can be stopped at any time. Its not their responsibility for you to understand the SS laws...thats your responsibility. Take it up with your employer and educate them like I did to stop all withholdings and deductions.
Also the government didnt say you have to participate in SS to work otherwise there wouldnt be a W4 for you to sign...they'd just deduct from your pay like china and russia does.

You actually believe theft is "volunteering" if the government does it. This is a perfect example of how the masses have been slowly programmed over the years. Then, when they do a 10% haircut on our bank accounts, like Cyprus, we've "volunteered" that as well.

You will be first in line at a FEMA camp, volunteering your preps when they tell you to. Wake up 7th!

[Jewboo]

Nice attack. Why do you feel this? If I am wrong somewhere, then correct me. If you can prove to me that my head is in my ass, then I will thank you and attempt to improve myself. I note a curious spate of this behavior. Just what is it that I am saying that you take issue with?

SSI recipients are now coming out of the woodwork to attack a tax-payer who noticed their malingering.

:D The Idle Army: America’s Unworking Men

[Santa]

Where do you suppose the money is coming from that pays woodman for building all those beautiful high school gymnasium floors?

[woodman]

Where do you suppose the money is coming from that pays woodman for building all those beautiful high school gymnasium floors?

It comes from the Federal Reserve. Where did you think? In this criminal regime we are all being payed from the same pot. About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues. The other half is private. At least I leave something behind that I take pride in and is useful and beautiful.

[Carl]

Have a friend whos been otr owner since high school...he brings in 200,000+ a year now. Bought his first new truck Peterbuilt in 92...paid cash and financed the trailer. Buys a new peter built every third year. Bought a small 50 acreage farm 6 years later...paid cash. Built a pole barn for the semi...paid cash. Bought a second truck and hired a driver...paid cash. His wife a registered nurse and they have two kids who are both going to college....college is paid for.
65k a year seems like entry level.
But hes never home..always on the road.

Your friend must be hauling drugs because there's no fucking way an owner operator can pull in that kind of money. The best for an owner operator is about $60k, and that's only if he runs loads 'off book' and only takes one day a month off. Not even specialized load haulers can make $200k.

[7th trump]

You actually believe theft is "volunteering" if the government does it. This is a perfect example of how the masses have been slowly programmed over the years. Then, when they do a 10% haircut on our bank accounts, like Cyprus, we've "volunteered" that as well.

You will be first in line at a FEMA camp, volunteering your preps when they tell you to. Wake up 7th!

What I'm telling you is SS is completely voluntary from you and by you.
The W4 is solely for participation of Social Security and is not a requirement of working for a living. The SSA will tell you this as well. To work in America doesnt mean you have to have a SSN.
Dont beleive me?...then look up the fine print on the back side of the W4 and read what two statutes make the W4 a requirement....hint it'll point directly to "employment" and the definition of "employment is only found is the SS statutes and you'll even see it in title 26 (verbatum from title 42 (SS)).
The root cause Hitch...the root cause is SS.
You're under the beleif that SS is a requirement because the employer beleives that mumbo jumbo. And it is the employer that you have to educate or file a healthy law suit against them for taking away your constitutional protections by forcing you to file a government document (W4) that puts you in a congressional jurisdiction thats second class (US citizen). A class that loses the Bill of Rights.
There are plenty of court cases that stipulate no law can be enforced that mandates any taxation unvoluntary and cases that say you cant tax a right. So with that in mind the government cannot tax the employer half of your SS taxes unless you volunteer to participate in SS and the employer cannot stop you from participation either...its all up to you.

See 42usc 1983


Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.


I'm awake Hitch...its you that is not.

Did the government make you sign the W4 or was it the employer?
Be honest with yourself Hitch when trying to answer this question.


No issues with the IRS or government. Nothing is reported and completely legal. I've researched the subject now since 1995. Went through all the crap with the IRS years ago until I figured what was causing "reporting". You cant have taxable income (reporting) and think you can get a full tax return...doesnt work that way. But if you dont participate in SS then you dont earn "26usc 3121(a)wages" which are also included in 3401(a) "wages" (both reportable "wages"). And if you dont earn 26usc 3401 (a) "wages" theres no requirement to withhold or deduct just as the statute stipulates.

[7th trump]

Your friend must be hauling drugs because there's no fucking way an owner operator can pull in that kind of money. The best for an owner operator is about $60k, and that's only if he runs loads 'off book' and only takes one day a month off. Not even specialized load haulers can make $200k.
No drugs!
What ever you want to believe but they are scott free of debt and own the rigs for a few decades now.

Then theres Hawthorne trucking who own a fleet and keep growing. They buy new trucks all the time and have a nice shop with employees there too.

I dont know what you hauled but you're doing it wrong

[crimethink]

I was attacked by crimethink for making some observations and noting what is going on.


You attacked each and every single one of the people I have served who are good and decent whose only "crime" was getting sick or injured. Kicking people who are down in the teeth is shitbag behavior. Yours.



although I doubt he has ever worked a day in his life.


I'm laughing at the Jew-like "argumentation" methods you employ.




He has spent his life sucking off of working people who actually produce something.


Producing luxury flooring for the rich is critical to civilization. :rolleyes:

It's a matter of life and death!





We are whiners according to crimethink.


No, you are a professional victim. I'm still waiting for you to condemn even once the obscene amounts blown on war and "security." And I'm still waiting to hear how much you derive in veteran's benefits yourself.





Crimethink worships at the alter of National Socialism


Wow, is your name Abraham Foxman?

You worship at the altar of money. "Muh money is bein' taken!" Which is totally bizarre since you are unable to earn even $65,000 per year from your allegedly "amazing floors."




yet under National Socialism many of those people that he surely calls 'clients' would have put to death or in work camps.


I said I was (previously) a social worker, not a parole officer or psy-tech in an institution for the hopeless (the latter whom don't receive SSDI/SSI).

But, in reality, the Social Security Act of 1935 was a direct response to Hitler's Social Welfare programs in Germany. America had to copy them, or else risk the Goyim in the land of the fee, home of the slave becoming agitated under the pressures of Jewish Capitalism. Further, the NSDAP created the Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt (what you anti-human fuckers would condemn as "bleeding heart"), and the Hitlerjugend had divisions for blind and deaf kids (contrary to the Jew propaganda of everyone who was disabled being "gassed immediately").




"Arbeit Macht Frei "


Which I believe, too...for criminals.

As I noted earlier, a large portion of those who receive Social Security still work. The vast majority would prefer to work.




Crimethink is not and never will be my equal


No, you aren't. Your equal is something I deposit in the bowl each morning.



This country is chock full of people who are sucking off of others. I see it all around me and to deny it is surely a form of insanity. All the people I work with see it.


You see what you want to see. You don't see yourself as someone dependent upon the robbery of your bankster, lawyer, and other elite clients "doing their thing," to give you a pittance - not even $65,000/year - to install their luxury floors.




I will note that crimethink actually implicated himself of theft of public monies. In his post above he claims that because of his planning and intelligence he is in a position where he can post all day long on the internet. Who is paying for this 'service' he is providing? Someone is paying for his lengthy tirades. Is it part of his job description? If he does not work for government he surely works for a company that uses public money.


You sure have a lot of time to engage in this "non-debate" here. I thought you were "working hard"?

You have no clue what I do, but you ASSume much.

Usury & shysterism pays for your "amazing floors." Yet you have no shame for that.




He is himself, that which he would destroy under National Socialism.


Turn off the "History" (sic) Channel on your Talmudvision, and start learning what National Socialism was/is really all about.




Cimethink is an integral part of the problems in society that he decries.


Actually, you are part of the Problem. Completely befuddled by the Jewsmedia into hating your own kind.




He is a collectivist and a follower of the Judaic legacy of theft from the goyim.

There is one type of individual who uses the term "collectivism" in a derogatory manner: a follower of Jewish Capitalism.

The theft from the Goyim is the modus operandi of Capitalism. Example: we are paying for universal healthcare, but don't receive it, because of the entitlement mentality of the shareholders.

The Stockholm Syndrome is strong with this one...

[crimethink]

Nice attack. Why do you feel this? If I am wrong somewhere, then correct me. If you can prove to me that my head is in my ass, then I will thank you and attempt to improve myself. I note a curious spate of this behavior. Just what is it that I am saying that you take issue with?

Your forgot to call Spectrism a "malingerer."

[crimethink]

About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

You have the choice to decline such "theft" of public monies. You choose not to.

50% dependent upon the government. The other half dependent upon the people who run the government (banksters, lawyers, and so on).




At least I leave something behind that I take pride in and is useful and beautiful.


Material things are "important" to you.

I will never - and I mean, never - apologize for what I did in my past profession. I made peoples' lives better. I gave them hope. Something human garbage like you can't or won't. Abandoning them to their daily private Hell because you have "better things to do," like collect money.

[monty]

What I'm telling you is SS is completely voluntary from you and by you.

See 42usc 1893

For the purposes of this section any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure pre Dec. 2000 Rule 54(c)

c) Application of Terms.
As used in these rules the following terms have the designated meanings.
"Act of Congress" includes any act of Congress locally applicable to and in force in the District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or in an insular possession.

[crimethink]

SSI recipients are now coming out of the woodwork to attack a tax-payer who noticed their malingering.

:D The Idle Army: America’s Unworking Men

But we have yet to hear how many of those shrieking about SSI are collecting VA benefits...

[crimethink]

Serious illnesses are increasing in percentages for all, and, most disturbingly, rapidly among younger people (e.g., Autism, but also cancers and life-threatening auto-immune diseases).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/03/modern-life-is-killing-our-children-cancer-rate-in-young-people/

Modern life is killing children with the number of youngsters diagnosed with cancer rising 40 per cent in the past 16 years because of air pollution, pesticides, poor diets and radiation, scientists have warned.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/19/why-more-young-adults-are-having-strokes.html

The headaches were excruciating and wouldn’t go away. Her doctor said they were migraines. Then, one morning a few weeks later, Jamie Hancock stood up from the couch and discovered she couldn’t move the right side of her body. When she spoke, her speech was slurred.

At the hospital, doctors told her she was having a stroke. The 32-year-old Hancock, whose children were just 1 and 3, had a sobering epiphany: “My whole life is changed forever.”

Now, six years later, no one would know she is a stroke survivor. A lifelong dancer, she is fit and muscular. She speaks clearly and walks quickly as she shuttles her kids around, runs errands and teaches dance classes.

But the effects—for her and other young stroke victims—linger just below the surface. They are there when she gets mad at her family, when she can’t remember what she needs at the grocery store, and when she gets fatigued after working for a few hours. The noise and light can be unbearable, forcing her to escape to a dark room.

Some days Hancock tries to be the energetic and sociable working mom she was before the stroke. Then she crashes.

“I sort of forget I have a disability and I think I can do everything anyone else my age can do,” she said. “But I can’t.”

[crimethink]

From earlier this year...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/07/suicide-rates-rise-butte-montana-princeton-study

Financial despair, addiction and the rise of suicide in white America

The death rate for white Americans aged 45 to 54 has risen sharply since 1999, but Montana officials wrestle to explain why the state has the highest rate of suicide in the US at nearly twice the national average – and it’s rising


Kevin Lowney lies awake some nights wondering if he should kill himself.

“I am in such pain every night, suicide has on a regular basis crossed my mind just simply to ease the pain. If I did not have responsibilities, especially for my youngest daughter who has problems,” he said.

The 56-year-old former salesman’s struggle with chronic pain is bound up with an array of other issues – medical debts, impoverishment and the prospect of a bleak retirement – contributing to growing numbers of suicides in the US and helping drive a sharp and unusual increase in the mortality rate for middle-aged white Americans in recent years alongside premature deaths from alcohol and drugs.

A study released late last year by two Princeton academics, Anne Case and Angus Deaton, who won the 2014 Nobel prize for economics, revealed that the death rate for white Americans aged 45 to 54 has risen sharply since 1999 after declining for decades. The increase, by 20% over the 14 years to 2013, represents about half a million lives cut short.

The uptick in the mortality rate is unique to that age and racial group. Death rates for African Americans of a similar age remain notably higher but continue to fall.

Neither was the increase seen in other developed countries. In the UK, the mortality rate for middle-aged people dropped by one third over the same period.

“This change reversed decades of progress in mortality and was unique to the United States; no other rich country saw a similar turnaround,” the study said.

Deaths from poisonings by drugs or alcohol have risen dramatically to push lung cancer into second place as the major killer with a sharp increase in suicides now a close third.

Lowney lives in Butte, Montana, where local officials see the Princeton study’s findings reflected in their community but struggle to explain them. The state has the highest rate of suicide in the US at nearly twice the national average and rising – up 7.3% in 2014. Those most likely to kill themselves are 45 to 65 years old.

“What’s been lacking in our town is an explanation for why this demographic in particular has been dying by suicide,” said Karen Sullivan, health director for Butte and the surrounding county, Silver Bow. “We want to take a look at what we’ve got going on in Butte. Is it economic in nature? Is it middle-aged white people discontented with where they landed in life? Is it isolation? A lack of a social network? Is it drug and alcohol issues? What do we have going on?”

Other officials see a number of interconnected forces at work and the rising rate of middle-aged deaths as indicative of crisis wider than those who kill themselves.

Growing economic inequality and increasing financial struggles are intertwined with other issues such as health and addiction. Some people living on low incomes hesitate to go to the doctor even if they have medical insurance because of the cost of out-of-pocket expenses. Chronic conditions can go untreated and become debilitating.

[crimethink]

A "malingerer":

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/911d8573857acb9bddeebb5e8e679daacc9091c6/0_133_3000_1800/master/3000.jpg?w=1920&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&

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Kevin Lowney has not been so fortunate. He has never owned a house and is drowning in medical debt attributed to hospital costs and doctors office visits to treat his failing health.

“I was a very hard-working American. Overly hard-working American. This is what brought down my health,” he said.

Lowney studied to be a mining engineer but Butte’s copper mines shut down in the 1980s, taking with them well paid union jobs. The mine was bought out and reopened a few years but with a smaller, non-unionised workforce on an income dependent on the price of copper. By then Lowney had switched to a business degree and landed a job in California as a salesman for a food delivery company.

Lowney returned to Butte in 2002 and went to work for Walmart as a cashier. His health continued to deteriorate.
Rising healthcare costs

“In one year I had surgery on both hands, bladder cancer surgery, hernia surgery. My heart was starting to fail. I developed diabetes. High blood pressure. Enormous stress,” he said.

Lowney had health insurance but still ran up tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills. In 2007 he applied for a disability grant. It took five years to be approved, during which time he relied on food stamps and other small grants he was entitled to as a single parent raising his teenage daughter.

When the disability allowance came through in 2012, payments were backdated to the date of his application. But almost all of that lump sum immediately went to clear some of his outstanding medical bills. That still left him more than $40,000 in debt to doctors and hospitals.

“I have never drinked. I’ve never smoked. I’m a very strong Catholic and I practice those values. No way is this from any immorality on my part,” he said. “Here I am, I’ve worked hard all my life, put myself through college, raised three kids, been a single parent at different times in my life. Now I’m bankrupt. Not only bankrupt but with a remaining huge debt.”

Except Lowney isn’t legally bankrupt because he says he can’t afford the $1,200 fee to file the paperwork. His only income is the $1,481 month disability grant. He lives in sparsely furnished two-storey public housing. On the wall next to the kitchen door is a picture of Lowney with former president Jimmy Carter when the pair were working as volunteer house builders for Habitat for Humanity in Mexico.

“We put up 100 homes in Tijuana in a one-week blitz,” he said. “The irony is I’m now living in public housing myself. Which, by the way, I’m very thankful for.”

Much of his income still goes to pay for medical treatment, including the two trays on his living room table of an array of pills to treat his various conditions.

“I still pay at least $300 a month in medications,” he said. On top of that there are bills for regular visits to the hospital. Some months, he relies on the local food bank to feed himself.

In searching for explanations for why the US is alone among developing countries in grappling with a rising death rate among its middle-aged white population, Lowney contrasts his situation with a cousin, a fisherman in Ireland who was injured in a work accident at sea and spent a year in hospital.

“He told me it cost him 39 euros. That’s all because of the health system they have in Ireland,” he said.

[crimethink]

As long as woodman can keep 100% of his taxpayer-funded earnings, Kevin Lowney - and all Aryan men like him - should fuck off and die... :rolleyes:


Some of us, however, believe in "no White man left behind," at whatever the cost.

[7th trump]

See 42usc 1893


Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure pre Dec. 2000 Rule 54(c)

c) Application of Terms.
As used in these rules the following terms have the designated meanings.
"Act of Congress" includes any act of Congress locally applicable to and in force in the District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or in an insular possession.

Criminal procedures.
Not sure what you're driving at Monty.
SS is an Act, but not criminal.

[monty]

Criminal procedures.
Not sure what you're driving at Monty.
SS is an Act, but not criminal.


The Social Security Act is an "Act of Congress". Yes it is civil. The example I cited is a criminal rule, but should apply to civil as well, being "locally applicable to an in force in the District of Columbia, in Puerto Rico, in a territory or in an insular possession. Rule 54(c) tells us where federal laws, "Acts of Congress" are applicable to and in force.

In other word the Social Security Act applies to US Persons or residents of the above mentioned areas. That is why people in the 50 states must sign a W-4 to participate in Social Security. That is the reason we are told it is "voluntary".

[woodman]

Now we know who one of those 'nameless' bureaucrats is. His name is crimethink. No wonder you had such a visceral reaction to my initial post. Attacked me and called me a whiner because I resent people sucking off my hard work. You act as though all these people are entitled. They are not. I am telling you and everyone else here that I am surrounded, I see them every day, by people who have no right and no business taking money from the government. Crimethink actually calls them 'clients' as if they were paying his wages. These people actually brag about how much money they get. They have health care. they get food stamps and what other services, I don't know. Some of them have ruined their bodies with drugs and alcholhol and will actually say they have been retired for years, as if they had actually worked. Most of them didn't do jack-shit to deserve to be taken care of. Many others cost taxpayers thousands of dollars every year to send through school as special-ed students only to go on SSI when they graduated.

Don't tell me this isn't true, you piece of shit bureaucrat! I see it and live it everyday. It is not up for argument. It is simply fact.

You have the bald hubris to disparage my work. You who have never dripped a bead of sweat nor a drop of blood in making the material things that this world lives on.

[crimethink]

You have the bald hubris to disparage my work.

Sorry, prick, you hung yourself with this:

About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues.

Thy name is hypocrite.

woodman lives off of taxpayers' money.

Credibility: ZERO

[Hillbilly]

Hitler had the right idea....exterminate the mentally ill. They do nobody nor themselves any good.


Very christian of you bible briefcase boy, jeebus would be proud.

[Santa]

"Exterminate the mentally ill. They do nobody nor themselves any good."

Psychopathy is a mental illness. :rolleyes:

[7th trump]

Very christian of you bible briefcase boy, jeebus would be proud.

If you had a clue what the bible was about you would see the point I was making, but you dont have a clue so you're blind.

I also get a laugh when the atheists douche bags use the bible to make their point...bahahahaha...!

[7th trump]

"Exterminate the mentally ill. They do nobody nor themselves any good."

Psychopathy is a mental illness. :rolleyes:

I sense psychopathy is strong in you....."santa" = make believe charactor.

[Hitch]

If you had a clue what the bible was about you would see the point I was making, but you dont have a clue so you're blind.

I also get a laugh when the atheists douche bags use the bible to make their point...bahahahaha...!

Name the passage in the Bible where God calls us to exterminate the mentally ill.

Find that passage. You can't. Yet Hitler had the right idea? :rolleyes:

You are a bad example of a Christian, period.

[7th trump]

Name the passage in the Bible where God calls us to exterminate the mentally ill.

Find that passage. You can't. Yet Hitler had the right idea? :rolleyes:

You are a bad example of a Christian, period.

Umm do you know the reason why the bible came into existence?

Before lucifers rebellion there wasnt any law (the bible)...can your poor excuse of a christian explain the Bible?

There isnt any one passage but thats how you think....elementary at best.
The over all reason for the Bible and us in the flesh gives a pretty good reason why I said what I did.
I said it because the mentally retarded wont be judged and being judged in the flesh is the reason why we are here in the first place. We polluted ourselves to a point that its a pretty good percentage our children will be handicapped. Do you think its fair they dont get judged?
Maybe they should get back in line to be born in the bag of waters to get a fair shot at who they are so we dont have to go through this flesh body again.
What I should have said was "Maybe" hitler had the right idea so you idiots dont get all twerky stupid.

[Santa]

Lol... your interpretations of Bible verse make Jim Jones seem rational.

[woodman]

Let's get some things straight. 1) We as a society should be kind and decent. This means that those who cannot take care of themselves should be given the means to survive. 2) It also means not killing people simply because some bureaucrat (crimethink) decides they are unfit to be a part of society. 3) We are all in this together and to treat anyone 'special' means treating someone else 'non-special'.

Crimethink (bureaucrat) believes he is uniquely endowed to decide who can and who can't share in the bounty of free shit (taken from hard working people at the point of a gun). Crimethink (bureaucrat) also feels that woodman is a callous, unfeeling whiner, because he doesn't like being fed upon by those very creatures that crimethink (bureaucrat) gives woodman's hard earned money to.

Jewboo provided the charts but crimethink (social worker) refuses to acknowledge what it clearly shows, that by far, the bulk of SS recipients are of working age and would be better provided with work than with other people's money.

Crimethink (social worker)(bureaucrat) can find no better way to treat people than to serve them as a dog and give them free handouts. These free handouts are being taken from every other man and women's food bowl but he refuses to acknowledge that fact also. Those very people that need the money most are being denied an income that is livable because it is being stolen from them by crimethink and his minions. He refuses to believe what I and those around me see every day. Malingerers.

I came into this discussion and spoke of what I know to be true and know to be wrong. I was attacked by crimethink (non-producer) and called a whiner merely for noticing the fact that all of us working Americans are being EATEN ALIVE! By bloodsucking parasitical cockroaches enabled by the crimethinks in this country.

"Yeah, you hit a nerve, punk. You've maligned hundreds of good & decent people (clients) I've met in my career whose only "crime" was to get sick or get hurt. "----crimethink (parasite)

I also believe that any civilized person or nation should, as a matter of personal hygiene, seek to rid itself of parasites and stop the predation as fast as possible in order to ensure proper health and a better standard of living.

There is obviously a move afoot and has been for a long time, to throw a chain around the neck of producing people, capable people, to pull them down to the level of 'equality' that the collectivists who are driving this whole thing desire. This is communism, collectivism, Marxism. It is being implemented by crimethink (Marxist) and his ilk. Call it what you want but a name will not change the nature of what it is. It is a movement to degrade us all.

I see it every day. In schools, in businesses I see those who are not capable and yet are in charge. Calling the shots, or not when they should be. It is called Affirmative Action and is administered by crimethink and his fellow army of SJW's.


Hillbilly (Ullyses, Pax, whatever) believes crimethink (his personal savior) has out-argued woodman but woodman sees no argument at all, just some name calling by a social worker who seeks to debase anyone who disturbs his little world view.

[Hillbilly]

Let's get some things straight. 1) We as a society should be kind and decent. This means that those who cannot take care of themselves should be given the means to survive. 2) It also means not killing people simply because some bureaucrat (crimethink) decides they are unfit to be a part of society. 3) We are all in this together and to treat anyone 'special' means treating someone else 'non-special'.

Crimethink (bureaucrat) believes he is uniquely endowed to decide who can and who can't share in the bounty of free shit (taken from hard working people at the point of a gun). Crimethink (bureaucrat) also feels that woodman is a callous, unfeeling whiner, because he doesn't like being fed upon by those very creatures that crimethink (bureaucrat) gives woodman's hard earned money to.

Jewboo provided the charts but crimethink (social worker) refuses to acknowledge what it clearly shows, that by far, the bulk of SS recipients are of working age and would be better provided with work than with other people's money.

Crimethink (social worker)(bureaucrat) can find no better way to treat people than to serve them as a dog and give them free handouts. These free handouts are being taken from every other man and women's food bowl but he refuses to acknowledge that fact also. Those very people that need the money most are being denied an income that is livable because it is being stolen from them by crimethink and his minions. He refuses to believe what I and those around me see every day. Malingerers.

I came into this discussion and spoke of what I know to be true and know to be wrong. I was attacked by crimethink (non-producer) and called a whiner merely for noticing the fact that all of us working Americans are being EATEN ALIVE! By bloodsucking parasitical cockroaches enabled by the crimethinks in this country.

"Yeah, you hit a nerve, punk. You've maligned hundreds of good & decent people (clients) I've met in my career whose only "crime" was to get sick or get hurt. "----crimethink (parasite)

I also believe that any civilized person or nation should, as a matter of personal hygiene, seek to rid itself of parasites and stop the predation as fast as possible in order to ensure proper health and a better standard of living.

There is obviously a move afoot and has been for a long time, to throw a chain around the neck of producing people, capable people, to pull them down to the level of 'equality' that the collectivists who are driving this whole thing desire. This is communism, collectivism, Marxism. It is being implemented by crimethink (Marxist) and his ilk. Call it what you want but a name will not change the nature of what it is. It is a movement to degrade us all.

I see it every day. In schools, in businesses I see those who are not capable and yet are in charge. Calling the shots, or not when they should be. It is called Affirmative Action and is administered by crimethink and his fellow army of SJW's.


Hillbilly (Ullyses, Pax, whatever) believes crimethink (his personal savior) has out-argued woodman but woodman sees no argument at all, just some name calling by a social worker who seeks to debase anyone who disturbs his little world view.

You are one paranoid delusional person.

[Hitch]

There isnt any one passage but thats how you think....elementary at best.
The over all reason for the Bible and us in the flesh gives a pretty good reason why I said what I did.
I said it because the mentally retarded wont be judged and being judged in the flesh is the reason why we are here in the first place. We polluted ourselves to a point that its a pretty good percentage our children will be handicapped. Do you think its fair they dont get judged?
Maybe they should get back in line to be born in the bag of waters to get a fair shot at who they are so we dont have to go through this flesh body again.
What I should have said was "Maybe" hitler had the right idea so you idiots dont get all twerky stupid.

You've posted 100's of passages from the Bible on this forum, I ask for one, and now it's elemental? So, every passage you've posted in the past basically means nothing to us, from your logic, because the Bible is all about interpretations....so any nutcase (you) can use the Bible for your own agenda.

Nope, doesn't work that way. There is no way, in the Bible, or from Jesus, that God wants us to exterminate the handicapped.

See, bible boy, God doesn't view them as handicapped. Only you do. We are all his children, his creation. One of the ten commandments is thou shall not kill. The ten commandments basically destroy any argument you have. Maybe it's time for you to read the Bible again, but in your warped mind, you'd be able to justify any sin you want to commit anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.

[woodman]

Your forgot to call Spectrism a "malingerer."

Spectrism forgot to tell me why he took issue with my post and why he thinks I am wrong and about what. He just made a crazy-ass blanket attack without any reference whatsoever. Maybe Spectrism is a malingerer and this is why he got upset. Nothing pisses people off like the truth.

[woodman]

Hitler had the right idea....exterminate the mentally ill. They do nobody nor themselves any good.

You do realize that extreme religiosity has been deemed a mental illness by some 'authorities'? Maybe you'd change your tune if you or your family were on the receiving end of this proposal of yours. You start exterminating people for 'this or that', you open a very dangerous door that will not close easily.

[woodman]

I just want to say that this is a great thread and I'd like to thank crimethink (bureaucrat) for starting it. I believe the fun is just starting. This is going to be a shitfest supreme. The crazy is coming out fast and furious. I only regret that I can only post occasionally as I have a life to live.

[Santa]

You are one paranoid delusional person.




No, woodman is a good man. Craftsman, tradesman, family man. Well spoken poster. He deserves respect.

[7th trump]

You've posted 100's of passages from the Bible on this forum, I ask for one, and now it's elemental? So, every passage you've posted in the past basically means nothing to us, from your logic, because the Bible is all about interpretations....so any nutcase (you) can use the Bible for your own agenda.

Nope, doesn't work that way. There is no way, in the Bible, or from Jesus, that God wants us to exterminate the handicapped.

See, bible boy, God doesn't view them as handicapped. Only you do. We are all his children, his creation. One of the ten commandments is thou shall not kill. The ten commandments basically destroy any argument you have. Maybe it's time for you to read the Bible again, but in your warped mind, you'd be able to justify any sin you want to commit anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.

Hey moron I never said jesus, God, or the Bible to exterminate the handicapped....I said Hitler had the right idea. Then later said i should have said "maybe" so idiots like you dont get all twerky stupid from lack of comprehension.

When you do read the bible (cause I know you dont) you'll come to the realization that the commandment is not shall not "kill". What it really should say is "shall not murder". Theres plenty of passages that describe taking out your enemy. God specifically states He wants the murderer and rapist to stand before Him which means to kill or exterminate. To stone someone to death when found guilty of a crime punishable of death.

Yes God does view them as handicapped you stupid fucking idiot...they arent normal by any means. And what I mean by normal is they arent what He meant for them to be...hence why I said we have polluted ourselves to a point that theres a good percentage of children will develop retardation or a sickness. God doesnt do anything imperfect.
Keep eating pork you moron and see how your body fares after years of pork (and all the other bottom waste toxin eaters) toxins in your organs. What damage those toxins do to your body are most likely are passed onto your children.

[7th trump]

You do realize that extreme religiousity has been deemed a mental illness in a few countries? Maybe you'd change your tune if you or your family were on the receiving end of this proposal of yours. You start exterminating people for 'this or that', you open a very dangerous door that will not close easily.

Can you point in the statement where I referred to religion?


Hitler had the right idea....exterminate the mentally ill. They do nobody nor themselves any good.

[7th trump]

Lol... your interpretations of Bible verse make Jim Jones seem rational.

Those passages have a subject and an object you need to find before you can understand the point they make.
I've noticed no one here has ever picked up on the subject and object of passages. All of you have misquoted passages.


Please by all means asshole identify the passage or passages i'm interpreting. Bet you cant because I didnt mention any passage.
Do you always just yap your ass off without knowing what you're yapping?

[crimethink]

Let's get some things straight.


Yes! Like this:


About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues.




1) We as a society should be kind and decent.


Unless it costs woodman money.



2) It also means not killing people simply because some bureaucrat (crimethink) decides they are unfit to be a part of society.


Bureaucrat?

Man, you're going full psycho on us now.

It is you - not I - who want people cut off, leaving them to die.



taken from hard working people at the point of a gun



About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues.

Do you need the definition of "hypocrite" posted again?




all of us working Americans are being EATEN ALIVE! By bloodsucking parasitical cockroaches enabled by the crimethinks in this country.



About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues.

For the record, when I still voted, I voted NO on all bond proposals.




I also believe that any civilized person or nation should, as a matter of personal hygiene, seek to rid itself of parasites and stop the predation as fast as possible in order to ensure proper health and a better standard of living.



About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues.





There is obviously a move afoot and has been for a long time, to throw a chain around the neck of producing people, capable people


You mean like the VA benefits you receive?

You sure have a lot of time to post in this thread, Mr. "producer."




a social worker who seeks to debase anyone who disturbs his little world view.

Your little world view is that of a Jewess, Alisa "Ayn Rand" Rosenbaum, who, like you, shrieked about "socialism," but gleefully accepted PUBLIC MONEY when it benefited her.

[crimethink]

No, woodman is a good man. Craftsman, tradesman, family man. Well spoken poster. He deserves respect.

And a self-admitted parasite on the taxpayers:


About half my work is for municipalities who tax the voters through bond voted issues.

I didn't know a hypocrite is a "good man."

[crimethink]

I just want to say that this is a great thread and I'd like to thank crimethink (bureaucrat) for starting it. I believe the fun is just starting. This is going to be a shitfest supreme. The crazy is coming out fast and furious. I only regret that I can only post occasionally as I have a life to live.

So far, we've seen no evidence of this "posting occasionally" on your part.

You've went full-psycho on us, by now lashing out with lunatic accusations, such as calling me a "bureaucrat." Yes, the crazy is coming out fast and furious...from you. You've made yourself this forum's quintessential, cut-and-dried definition of HYPOCRITE, shrieking about money being "stolen" from your earnings (for war and "security" - not just welfare - but you only have a problem with the latter), while admitting that "half" of your earnings are TAXPAYER MONEY.

What's so sad is that you seem to lack the sense to realize what an admitted hypocritical shitbag you really are. After that "blunder," you should have slithered away...but didn't.

[midnight rambler]

Hey CT, do you consider yourself to be a 'taxpayer'?

[Santa]

Those passages have a subject and an object you need to find before you can understand the point they make.
I've noticed no one here has ever picked up on the subject and object of passages. All of you have misquoted passages.


Please by all means asshole identify the passage or passages i'm interpreting. Bet you cant because I didnt mention any passage.
Do you always just yap your ass off without knowing what you're yapping?



Simple. I don't argue with narcissistic sociopaths. :)

[Jewboo]

... HYPOCRITE... "half" of your earnings are TAXPAYER MONEY.



http://ssclive.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/maxresdefault.jpg
SSI Malingerer does not work or "earn" the money stolen from Woodman's paycheck.





Woodman actually works and therefore really does "earn" his paycheck.

:rolleyes: nice try CT. Your argument on its face is absurd. You lost this debate yesterday...lol.

[crimethink]

Not once have I ever engaged a Randroid who doesn't willingly and therefore hypocritically accept public money and benefits. They learned from their Kosher guru, "Ayn Rand," well: bitch about "socialism" and "theft" of "muh money," but draw Social Security themselves, or VA benefits, or Pentagram contracts, or municipal contracts for "amazing floors."

[crimethink]

Woodman actually works and therefore really does "earn" his paycheck.

He "earns money" stolen from taxpayers at gunpoint. His terminology.

As we know, government contracts are typically twice what little folks pay for the same work.

He could choose not to take taxpayer money, but does anyway.

[crimethink]

Hey CT, do you consider yourself to be a 'taxpayer'?

Since you use the William Jefferson Clinton Law Dictionary, you'll need to define, in plain English, what you mean by that.

Do I pay taxes? Yes.

[7th trump]

Simple. I don't argue with narcissistic sociopaths. :)

Hahahahaha....translation = I don't have the knowledge and not going to admit I dont either, but I'll parade that I do and like a cheap whore bow out claiming victory.


I guy who goes by "Santa" a fictional character (a lie) to fool the innocent children.

[Santa]

And a self-admitted parasite on the taxpayers:

I didn't know a hypocrite is a "good man."

Yes, I pointed out the hypocrisy, but you should know... everyone is a hypocrite. You, me, everyone.

While I agree with much of your viewpoint and its higher perspective, remember the story of Icarus,
Son of Daedalus who dared to fly too near the sun on wings of feathers and wax. Daedalus had been imprisoned by King Minos of Crete within the walls of his own invention, the Labyrinth. But the great craftsman's genius would not suffer captivity. He made two pairs of wings by adhering feathers to a wooden frame with wax. Giving one pair to his son, he cautioned him that flying too near the sun would cause the wax to melt. But Icarus became ecstatic with the ability to fly and forgot his father's warning. The feathers came loose and Icarus plunged to his death in the sea.

You remind me of Icarus.

[Jewboo]

He could choose not to take taxpayer money, but does anyway.



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Crimethink continuing this debate



You lost this debate yesterday. Now you want to literally boycott all federal and local government contracts knowing they obviously run on taxpayer money? Woodman is a taxpayer who also EARNS some of his income by WORKING for local public schools.

SSI Malingerers neither work nor earn anything.


:rolleyes: stop digging CT

[crimethink]

Yes, I pointed out the hypocrisy, but you should know... everyone is a hypocrite. You, me, everyone.

Some insist on refusing to admit it when called on it. That's the difference.

Don't bitch about "parasites" getting "taxpayer money" that is "taken at gunpoint," and then take that money yourself.

[crimethink]

Now you want to literally boycott all federal and local government contracts knowing they obviously run on taxpayer money?


I want shitbags who shriek about "muh money bein' stolen!" to stop taking money "stolen" from someone else.

Either stand on a principle, or just admit one is an infantile "it's mine, mine!" sort of creature. That principle demands one say "Hell, no!" to taking "money stolen at gunpoint." However, money makes him ignore that principle.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPhJo_BuVJc

[Jewboo]

An honest and true post that any sane logical taxpayer can agree with:



I own my own business and I work like a dog. The government takes my money and gives it to others. Collectivism. I saw today that a company is hiring truck drivers for $65K to $85k per year with a $5k sign on bonus. I've never made that kind of money. I am surrounded by non working malingerers who have convinced some bureaucrat somewhere, that they are either to stupid or to sick to work. They are stealing from me and I resent it bigtime.




Pages and pages of emotional ad hominem like this are not an argument:



I want shitbags who shriek about "muh money bein' stolen!" to...




:rolleyes:

[Jewboo]

...If I am wrong somewhere, then correct me. If you can prove to me that my head is in my ass, then I will thank you and attempt to improve myself....Just what is it that I am saying that you take issue with?



I haven't seen one single argument in this thread yet that actually disproves your Pervasive Malingering observation Woodman.


:) we should all maintain your debating attitude Woodman

[crimethink]

I haven't seen one single argument in this thread yet that actually disproves your Pervasive Malingering observation Woodman.


My assertion is that the perception is distorted, and not based on reality, but emotion.

How many of these "malingerers" have been reported to the SSA Office of the Inspector General for "waste, fraud, and abuse"? What was the outcome of such reports?

Surely, with all these "malingerers" surrounding woodman (and, presumably, yourself), you can provide some names and general locations of a few of them?

Book, both you and woodman want to see armies of lazy fakers, to feel better about your own (financial) situations.

[midnight rambler]

Since you use the William Jefferson Clinton Law Dictionary, you'll need to define, in plain English, what you mean by that.

Do I pay taxes? Yes.

It is what it is, PLAIN ENGLISH, i.e. 'tax payer' vs. 'taxpayer'. Since you apparently are unable to make the distinction I'll take your non-response as a "Why yes, yes I am indeed a taxpayer*!"

*IOW an enabler for the Chosenites' beast system

[Jewboo]

Surely, with all these "malingerers" surrounding woodman (and, presumably, yourself), you can provide some names and general locations of a few of them?



https://aqu52.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/10006928_10152397742591459_7692693536219714419_n.j pg

I personally know more than five who are neighbors. General locations? Send a bus to any Wal-Mart on the first of any month to pickup a load.

:rolleyes:

[Hitch]

Surely, with all these "malingerers" surrounding woodman (and, presumably, yourself), you can provide some names and general locations of a few of them?
.

We all know people on .gov assistance, however it's not always so simple as being lazy. The system keeps people from working. I've got an uncle on permanent disability. There's some jobs he can do, but as soon as he would get a paycheck he would lose all the medical benefits he's getting for free, and without them, he'd struggle and go broke. Basically, he's run the numbers and just can't afford to work.

Another friend of the family, decided he was going to work regardless of all the medical conditions he had. As soon as he got a paycheck, lost all his free benefits, and the whole family got slammed with a $400K emergency bill when his health failed.

People are trapped in our system and can't get out of it. One of the few only good things about Obamacare, is he got rid of the preexisting conditions part where people were denied coverage, or it was so outrageously that even a person with a job couldn't afford healthcare.

[Jewboo]

People are trapped in our system and can't get out of it.



http://www.mikemalloy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Atlas_Shrugging_R-300x247.jpg

Exactly. Woodman the hard-working taxpayer especially.

:(

[crimethink]

We all know people on .gov assistance, however it's not always so simple as being lazy.


But that's what woodman and Book are consistently alleging. Look up their term, "malingerer." Worse than "just" lazy, actually. Actively making shit up to avoid having to do anything. Faking illness(es). That is what they are claiming is rampant and pervasive.




The system keeps people from working. I've got an uncle on permanent disability. There's some jobs he can do, but as soon as he would get a paycheck he would lose all the medical benefits he's getting for free, and without them, he'd struggle and go broke. Basically, he's run the numbers and just can't afford to work.


Permanent disability of what kind? SSDI? VA? Private LTD insurance? If SSA, there's Ticket to Work: https://www.ssa.gov/work/ - someone who receives SSDI can earn up to "Substantial Gainful Activity" (SGA), currently $1130/month, before they lose Medicare.

BTW, Pete, your uncle is a "malingerer," according to them.




Another friend of the family, decided he was going to work regardless of all the medical conditions he had. As soon as he got a paycheck, lost all his free benefits, and the whole family got slammed with a $400K emergency bill when his health failed.


"Not their problem" is the attitude, Pete. You know this. "He should have made 'wiser choices,' and 'invested' for emergencies."




People are trapped in our system and can't get out of it.


For those who get TANF (formerly AFDC) or SNAP (formerly, Food Stamps), that is often true. But it's not true for Title II OASDI. You don't just apply to SSA and get a check next week. The majority are denied, no matter the severity of the disability. It takes rexaminations, hearings, and more. Except in the rarest of cases, where a perfect storm of fraud comes together (for example, active conspiracy between physician, lawyer, and ALJ), those on SSDI are not "faking it."




One of the few only good things about Obamacare, is he got rid of the preexisting conditions part where people were denied coverage, or it was so outrageously that even a person with a job couldn't afford healthcare.

Single-payer is the only sane plan. And I have no objection to adults opting-out of it. Increased taxes would not be needed; in fact, we could all have better coverage, or cheaper rates, than current, if the "health care" executives and especially shareholder parasites were dispensed with. Kucinich was right when he said "we're already paying for universal healthcare, but we're not getting it."

[crimethink]

https://aqu52.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/10006928_10152397742591459_7692693536219714419_n.j pg

I personally know more than five who are neighbors. General locations? Send a bus to any Wal-Mart on the first of any month to pickup a load.

:rolleyes:


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/avoidance

You won't address the issue: how many of these "malingerers" have you personally reported to the SSA OIG? You've got five of them, you claim.

You post a meaningless photo like this, and it only destroys your credibility. Ready to give that guy a job? What sort of job? Have you done a physical examination to ascertain which medical conditions he is "faking"?

[crimethink]

Woodman the hard-working taxpayer especially.

Sukhoi Fan / midnight rambler can give woodman some tips on avoiding his tax liabilities. Oh, wait, woodman takes taxpayers' money from the government, and has to pay taxes on that! No "free man" techniques for him! Damn 1099.

[midnight rambler]

Sukhoi Fan / midnight rambler can give woodman some tips on avoiding his tax liabilities. Oh, wait, woodman takes taxpayers' money from the government, and has to pay taxes on that! No "free man" techniques for him! Damn 1099.

Okay Mr. Go Along to Get Along, I pay ALL the taxes I'm liable for, don't avoid any. No need to since I exercise my exemption which is available TO ALL who know who they are (and don't rely on the state to establish their identity via a phantasm lol). OTOH you're apparently an enabler of the Death Cult 'cause you go along to get along by burning that pinch of incense for Caesar mid-April every year just like the rest of the enablers. lol

[Hitch]

Permanent disability of what kind? SSDI? VA? Private LTD insurance? If SSA, there's Ticket to Work: https://www.ssa.gov/work/ - someone who receives SSDI can earn up to "Substantial Gainful Activity" (SGA), currently $1130/month, before they lose Medicare.

Thanks CT, that's the exact kind of program that is needed. It gives people a boost to go out and pursue work should they feel ready for it. I'll have to pass this on to my uncle when I see him. I don't know what his permanent disablity benefits are, but he was injured at work many years ago. Back injury, a bad one with several very expensive surgeries, and medications. He's able to move around now, but limited on what he can do. The medications he takes are the real deal breaker, because of the expense. The job he was looking at, and wanted to do, was at a nature center helping rehabilitate injured wild animals. But, it was part time, with full time possibility, but didn't pay that much. He would have lost all his benefits and couldn't take the job because of that. But, with the link you sent....maybe he can reapply for it. That was a big help, thank you.

[Jewboo]

...There is no debate here. This country is chock full of people who are sucking off of others. I see it all around me and to deny it is surely a form of insanity. All the people I work with see it. The only people who don't see it are those who are on the take or somehow dependent upon this theft such as a 'social worker'...



http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/04/041bdb08cfc40503b685246ead42ae7d1b5f4133_full.jpg


Your "Malingerer" term triggered CT. I've never seen him so wound up in a thread. Crimethink the Social Justice Warrior is a whole new side of him...

:)

[Neuro]

A lot of jobs were shipped off to China the last 25 years, and a 'welfare' system that encourages people to become malingerers. I don't know, many of those that did simple factory jobs, and their kids, really don't have that many options any longer, one of them are to become a professional malingerer, and I think it is likely if you go into that role with enough passion, you'll actually become sick. I've seen these people many times, as patients, they usually don't have any money, so I end up giving big discounts, and they don't tend to respond very well to what I have to offer, nor what anyone else does either.

They choose to enforce their suffering, after all their suffering is their source of income, or in other cases source of attention (older women are overrepressented among these), from family.

It is horrible actually. The society isn't encouraging people to get stronger, instead it is encouraging people to get sick, so they can survive financially. Woodmans gym floors are necessary in society, and in schools. Gymnastics and competitive sport was something that was deemed essential for children and youth to participate in in national socialist Germany. Because it built character, comradery, endurance and strength, not because it was a carreer opportunity for the most talented.

[Jewboo]

We all know people on .gov assistance, however it's not always so simple as being lazy. The system keeps people from working. I've got an uncle on permanent disability. There's some jobs he can do, but as soon as he would get a paycheck he would lose all the medical benefits he's getting for free, and without them, he'd struggle and go broke. Basically, he's run the numbers and just can't afford to work.



http://www.mikemalloy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Atlas_Shrugging_R-300x247.jpg


Woodman is now running the numbers and realizes he just can't afford your uncle either.

:)

[Hitch]

Woodman is now running the numbers and realizes he just can't afford your uncle either.

:)


Hey, I'm in the exact same situation as Woodman. I agree with his posts. I bust my ass on construction type work, building things, same as he does...furthermore, some of my work is tax payer funded, as his is. Both of us, are productive though. Today, is labor day, and I was one of the few people working today. But, I'm fortunate, I only worked 7 hours today. Many times, it's not uncommon for me to work a 16 hour day. Tomorrow, I have my alarm clock set for 2:30 am, that's when I start my work day, tomorrow. That being said, I have a job that I love to do, that I enjoy, so in that way I feel blessed.

I basically agree with Neuro in his post above. The system is designed to keep people weak and dependent, like my uncle. The system hasn't helped him get stronger, just stuck, with obstacle after obstacle keeping him from being productive himself.

There are true "turds" as I call them, leeches who lie and cheat the system...which the system ironically seems to allow as well. But, it's the system, itself that's broken. And anyone like Woodman or myself, and the many others who work and bust our asses, pay the taxes, and end up paying for it. It's fucking frustrating.

[crimethink]

Your "Malingerer" term triggered CT. I've never seen him so wound up in a thread. Crimethink the Social Justice Warrior is a whole new side of him...


I take the "socialism" in National Socialism seriously. You do not.

If following Hitler's social welfare policies makes me a "social justice warrior," I'll wear the badge.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/NS-Volkswohlfahrt.svg/220px-NS-Volkswohlfahrt.svg.png

The Social Security Act of 1935 was a direct copy of Hitler's programs.

You and "muh money" woodman "worked me up" by attacking my racial brethren who are sick and injured. What you argue in favor of is leaving our kind behind to die, because it's "too hard" to make sure they aren't taken care of. That's not Aryan, and never can be Aryan. You pay way too much attention to Jewish Hollywood, and derive your perception of "National Socialism" from that. It's not "survival of the fittest, die if you can't get there on your own."

You may be a "nationalist," but your social policy matches that of "Ayn Rand."

[crimethink]

Thanks CT, that's the exact kind of program that is needed. It gives people a boost to go out and pursue work should they feel ready for it. I'll have to pass this on to my uncle when I see him. I don't know what his permanent disablity benefits are, but he was injured at work many years ago. Back injury, a bad one with several very expensive surgeries, and medications. He's able to move around now, but limited on what he can do. The medications he takes are the real deal breaker, because of the expense. The job he was looking at, and wanted to do, was at a nature center helping rehabilitate injured wild animals. But, it was part time, with full time possibility, but didn't pay that much. He would have lost all his benefits and couldn't take the job because of that. But, with the link you sent....maybe he can reapply for it. That was a big help, thank you.

If he was injured from work, he may be getting Worker's Comp LTD policy coverage. It may have an "all or nothing" provision, preventing him from working any amount, unlike the SGA standard of SSDI.

[crimethink]

A lot of jobs were shipped off to China the last 25 years, and a 'welfare' system that encourages people to become malingerers. I don't know, many of those that did simple factory jobs, and their kids, really don't have that many options any longer, one of them are to become a professional malingerer, and I think it is likely if you go into that role with enough passion, you'll actually become sick. I've seen these people many times, as patients, they usually don't have any money, so I end up giving big discounts, and they don't tend to respond very well to what I have to offer, nor what anyone else does either.

They choose to enforce their suffering, after all their suffering is their source of income, or in other cases source of attention (older women are overrepressented among these), from family.


As I've noted before, America's disability insurance system has one of the tightest eligibility regimens in the world. I know Sweden, and perhaps Turkey, too, are far more lenient. The idea that, at worst, 5% of those on SSDI are "professional malingerers" (i.e., people making illnesses up) is not supported by any objective fact. Period. Perhaps woodman's personal standard is not met - one must be blind, deaf, retarded, and have no arms or legs before they are "really" disabled," but that's not how SSDI works, nor should it be.




It is horrible actually. The society isn't encouraging people to get stronger, instead it is encouraging people to get sick, so they can survive financially.


The US SSA offers the Ticket to Work program, encouraging people to work at least part-time, if they are able, and keep most of their SSDI and keep their Medicare. Many accept the opportunity. If they were "malingerers," they wouldn't, since the "danger" is that if you work "too much," you get removed from the program. One trouble is, in America, corporations and even little employers (think woodman here) expect superhuman abilities for the lowest pay.




Woodmans gym floors are necessary in society, and in schools.

I have no problem with public works projects. I have a huge problem with a hypocrite shrieking about "muh money's bein' 'stolen'" while at the same time taking that "stolen" money himself. Either oppose taxation in totality, and eschew benefiting from it, or accept all that comes with it.

[crimethink]

Hey, I'm in the exact same situation as Woodman. I agree with his posts.


Then you just called your uncle a "malingerer" and "parasite." He "could" work, but "chooses" not to.

Book said it in the post you replied to. And you didn't "get" it for some reason.




There are true "turds" as I call them, leeches who lie and cheat the system...which the system ironically seems to allow as well. But, it's the system, itself that's broken. And anyone like Woodman or myself, and the many others who work and bust our asses, pay the taxes, and end up paying for it. It's fucking frustrating.

How much, exactly, are you or woodman paying out to fund these "malingerers" like your uncle? Really? How much? woodman the government-funded parasite would like to claim his entire FICA payment is "theft," but nowhere near 100% of it goes to fraud. In fact, his current FICA payments go to support Book's OASDI monthly payments! The majority of everyone's FICA payments fund RETIREMENT, not SSDI.

Nor will woodman address whether he is cool with the "stolen" money funding endless war and "security," nor will he address how much he derives in VA benefits (his refusal to respond indicates it is or was plenty*). Why are disability payments to "malingerers" evil, but trillions to "defense" corporation executives and shareholders "good"?


* I rarely meet someone who shrieks about "disability parasites" who isn't or wasn't a VA-benefit drawing prostitute of Uncle Shmuel.

[boogietillyapuke]

Have you done a physical examination to ascertain which medical conditions he is "faking"?

Hes not faking, he's a lard ass like I see 90% of the time at Wallyworld.

[Hitch]

Then you just called your uncle a "malingerer" and "parasite." He "could" work, but "chooses" not to.

Book said it in the post you replied to. And you didn't "get" it for some reason.

The whole point is that he could work, some jobs...but they won't ALLOW him to. It's not his choice anymore. That's how far the system has degraded to. But, the "ticket to work" program you pointed out, is a huge step in the right direction.

Book's point is that working folks, just can't sustain all these people. He's right. I "get" it, I couldn't pay for my uncle either...but it's the system that's flawed. I don't blame honest people stuck in it, like my uncle, and many others in similar situations, but something needs to be done to fix it.

[Neuro]

CT, you are correct I don't know the situation in US. The social security system in Turkey as provided by government isn't much at all, instead responsibility is on employers and even more so on family. You do have malingerers in Turkey, but also a lot of sick/injured people who go to work because they have no other option.

Sweden has a vast problem with malingerers and welfare system fraud. Our system has been too buraucratic and too generous for too long time. Socialism has turned hard working Lutherans, into a society of welfare scums and professional liars and whiners. I am exaggerating, a lot of people are still working hard and try to do what is right, but welfare scums are probably around 20% of the population, just waiting for someone to do something for them, and here I am just talking about the white population... Of the recent immigrant population, it takes 8-9 years for 50% of them to get any job, and this statistics is from the immigrants that arrived 8-9 years ago obviously... The last 5-6 years the immigration has increased significantly, and from even less educated countries. I don't think 50% of them will work ever!

[Hitch]

How much, exactly, are you or woodman paying out to fund these "malingerers" like your uncle? Really? How much? My uncle, I don't consider a malingerer, even if others do. But to answer your question, I figure somewhere I get around 60% of my paycheck, after taxes, said and done. So, that means 40% of my hard work, goes to support a corrupt system. It adds up.

[Cebu_4_2]

My uncle, I don't consider a malingerer, even if others do. But to answer your question, I figure somewhere I get around 60% of my paycheck, after taxes, said and done. So, that means 40% of my hard work, goes to support a corrupt system. It adds up.

You need to get 1099'd instead of W4'd so you can take deductions. If you approached your employer as an individual company you can get the 1099 if he approves. Health care will be your responsibility tho, other that you can deduct anything directly related to a work expense. IE phone, health coverage, transportation, however much of your houshold is dedicated to a work office, ice cream smoothies during traveling etc. It's almost limitless.

[Jewboo]

Book's point is that working folks, just can't sustain all these people. He's right.



Actually it is Woodman's point which we are agreeing with.

:)

[crimethink]

Hes not faking, he's a lard ass like I see 90% of the time at Wallyworld.

I sit in awe of your medical training. Diagnosis: "lard ass."

[Jewboo]

I have no problem with public works projects. I have a huge problem with a hypocrite shrieking about "muh money's bein' 'stolen'" while at the same time taking that "stolen" money himself.



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Crimethink apparently isn't "thinking" in this thread at all. In full Social Justice Warrior mode he fails to notice that Woodman WORKS hard for his paycheck.

Crimethink's SSI clients neither work nor earn their stolen share of Woodman's paycheck.

:rolleyes: duh

[crimethink]

The whole point is that he could work, some jobs...but they won't ALLOW him to. It's not his choice anymore.


Oh, but it is his "choice." He could stop accepting benefits, and then work part-time. Not enough to live on? Tough shit, say woodman and Book!




Book's point is that working folks, just can't sustain all these people. He's right.


But he's not. Like I noted, most of the FICA deductions go to RETIREMENT - like Book's. And his Medicare. If we "can't sustain" SSDI, why not just cut all the retirees loose, too? Make them go back to work! Book, ready for 40+ hours?

Damn, I'm now sounding like Mitt Romney. (puke)




but something needs to be done to fix it.

Like what? Mass die-offs?

[crimethink]

My uncle, I don't consider a malingerer, even if others do. But to answer your question, I figure somewhere I get around 60% of my paycheck, after taxes, said and done. So, that means 40% of my hard work, goes to support a corrupt system. It adds up.

40% doesn't go to "malingerers." It goes to war, "security," bureaucratic bloat, and, yes, social welfare, as well as roads, other infrastructure, and so on.

The Pentagram recently admitted $6.5 TRILLION is "missing." How does it go "missing"? Why is this not at least equally attacked by those who shriek about "malingering"? That's atop the $2 Trillion Scumsfeld admitted was "missing" the day before 9/11, and atop the trillions that are "accounted for" that fund the DoD, DHS, DoE, and other "defense"/"security" apparatus.

[crimethink]

Crimethink apparently isn't "thinking" in this thread at all.

Both Book and woodman live off of government funding. Neither of them "get" the irony of that. Nor the hypocrisy.

"I 'earned' it" doesn't cut it. It's still government money "stolen" from taxpayers.

[Hitch]

Oh, but it is his "choice." He could stop accepting benefits, and then work part-time. Not enough to live on? Tough shit, say woodman and Book!

But he's not. Like I noted, most of the FICA deductions go to RETIREMENT - like Book's. If we "can't sustain" SSDI, why not just cut all the retirees loose, too? Make them go back to work! Book, ready for 40+ hours?

CT, you are missing one big point here. Human nature. If a disabled guy, has to give up all his medical, and disability payments...to work a $15 hour job for 20 hours a week. Do you really expect him to do it? No. Can he do it? No. He can't. He looks at survival, paying for his meds, his rent, etc.

Retirement. Well, let's start a whole other thread on that, because we all pay into it. Most of us have to, SS. That's our money we expect to get back one day. That's not an entitlement program. I had bible briefcase boy in another thread tell me I volunteer to pay. I haven't volunteered shit. They take it out of my paycheck, without my consent, and if I object....well, I will be looking for another job.

It's the same as taxes. Our work gets taken from us. Period. Sure there's some keyboard jockies out there with a black's law book telling us we volunteer, or are victims, or we enabled our situation, but it's all BS.

Personally, I'm getting tired of it. Take my money. Just be honest with me, and say, hey Hitch. We are taking most of your paycheck to pay for people who can't work. Fine. An honest answer. Take my money and it's on you to do what's right with it. It's off my shoulders at that point.

[Jewboo]

"I 'earned' it" doesn't cut it.






A government contractor who WORKS hard for a paycheck.

A SSI Recipient who neither works nor earns his welfare check.





Crimethink willfully refuses to see the obvious glaring difference.

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[crimethink]

CT, you are missing one big point here. Human nature. If a disabled guy, has to give up all his medical, and disability payments...to work a $15 hour job for 20 hours a week. Do you really expect him to do it? No. Can he do it? No. He can't. He looks at survival, paying for his meds, his rent, etc.


Pete, you are arguing with me, but you should be arguing with woodman and Book, because they're the ones who say your uncle is a parasite, not I.

I understand your uncle's situation, and have zero - I mean, ZERO - problem with it. I am realistic and compassionate at the same time.



We are taking most of your paycheck to pay for people who can't work.

But that's not what's happening. Taxation for SSDI is a small percentage of the money taken from you.

[crimethink]

Crimethink willfully refuses to see the obvious glaring difference.

Like I said...

Both Book and woodman live off of government funding.

[Jewboo]

But that's not what's happening. Taxation for SSDI is a small percentage of the money taken from you.



:rolleyes: Nice try pal. We are talking about SSI malingering parasites not SSDI.




The biggest difference between SSI and SSDI

The most notable difference between the two disability benefits programs is how benefit eligibility is determined.
Specifically, SSI is based on need. In order to qualify for SSI benefits, your income and resources must be below a certain amount. You are eligible for SSI regardless of whether or not you worked and paid into the Social Security system.


On the other hand, SSDI is based on your work record, just like Social Security retirement benefits. In order to qualify, you need to have worked for a minimum amount of time depending on your age when you become disabled, and your benefit amount can be higher or lower depending on your income history and work duration.

[Jewboo]

Like I said...


WHAT YOU WON'T ANSWER

:rolleyes:
(http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?92250-The-Idle-Army-America%92s-Unworking-Men&p=853354&viewfull=1#post853354)

[woodman]

crimethink the bureaucrat (Nazi Social Worker, You couldn't make this shit up!) says....
Nor will woodman address whether he is cool with the "stolen" money funding endless war and "security," nor will he address how much he derives in VA benefits (his refusal to respond indicates it is or was plenty*). Why are disability payments to "malingerers" evil, but trillions to "defense" corporation executives and shareholders "good"?

Son, crazy is coming out of you like stink on shit. You have evidenced all of the failed techniques of someone who is lost before they step out their door. Get a grip man!

You are coming out with crazy accusations and demanding that I reply to things you are making up as you go. This is indeed a sign of delusion. You should quit. Every one is laughing at you. Seriously, get a grip man. Grip tape bro, you can buy it at the local sports shop.

I believe most here are missing the point I have been alluding to. This system is not broken. It is functioning exactly as it was designed to. Go back and read my posts more carefully. I don't post so prolifically (promiscuously) as crimethink. He seems to take the shotgun approach to posting. He feels that if he screams loud enough and constantly, then he will somehow win admiration and sway others with this volley of bullshit. I usually keep things quite tidy and say what I mean. I don't attack anyone needlessly for voicing their thoughts. I don't accuse them of ridiculous things that have no bearing on the discussion.

Crimethink, the social worker Nazi claims I don't have a problem with the destruction being wrought with my tax dollars. There is nothing I can say that could possibly bring across the deep sorrow I feel and the desperation that resides within me over this horrible state of affairs. Why would he say such things as to allude that I am ok with it? He is a very small and troubled man. He should just admit this and thank me for pointing it out, thusly he might take steps to improve himself.

Crimethink is employed in social work and therefore is certainly funded !00% by tax payer dollars. I wonder how his employer would feel should they find that he is spending his days during working hours espousing the Nazi creed? Yet he has no problem with accusing me a stealing money because I do work for schools. ne of any understanding at all is privy to the fact that we are all working for the government. That is how the system is set up. You work, you pay the man. You deal in coin of the realm. It could be argued that the only way to fight the system is to suck off the welfare teat and siddle up to crimethink for his help to milk the working man and thusly deprive the system of fuel. This may seem true at first look but think a little further and you find that because, as I say, the system is not broken, it is functioning exactly as it is intended to, you are actually strengthening the grip of the Marxist scum who are running this show.

I am telling you that we are being dragged down on purpose. We are being poisoned in every conceivable way in order to render us, finally, helpless and unable to fend off the blood sucking parasites that have been planning our demise.

They have engineered this brilliantly. They use our energies and our human tendencies against us. They are weakening us by pitting us against each-other. What do you think it is when another man lives off the work of a man? It is warfare. So few see this.

Socialism is government enforced collectivism. Point of a gun and all that.

One last thing I will say about crimethink and his techniques: 'The Jew Screams in Pain As He Is Slapping You.'

I almost forgot to address crimethink's ridiculous accusation that I receive some kind of VA benefits. Why should I even reply to such accusations, I mean after all this is merely a jew technique of trying to win an argument with false and wild accusations and as I have stated, I don't even see this as an argument. I think you all should know who I am though and since such has been asked of me I will reply.

I have never been in any of the armed services. I feel that any one who has 'served' has only done horrible damage to humanity by serving. I know that many will feel anger at this statement and I'm sorry to anger you but if you are honest with yourself then you will realize that anything the department of defense has done over the last century and a half has been aggressive in nature and only served to weaken the decency and morality of human kind. Some feel that through the armed services they have learned discipline but I say it is not discipline but obedience that you learned. Obedience is a poor substitute for true discipline. Obedience implies a duty to a master and the only master a man should have is his God or whatever may serve him in place of God. You may have a code of ethics and this is good. Give your obedience to that for it is a finer master than the Federal Reserve.

I will close this post with a word from the great bard.

“This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.”

[crimethink]

:rolleyes: Nice try pal. We are talking about SSI malingering parasites not SSDI.

There's no "try" of anything. SSI disability eligibility is identical to SSDI eligibility, and SSI costs taxpayers less. SSDI payouts average just under $1200/month; SSI, less than $900/month.

[crimethink]

WHAT YOU WON'T ANSWER

woodman asserts he is being "robbed" by the government. Then woodman takes money from the government, "robbed" from other taxpayers. He is a beneficiary of the proceeds of crime - by his own standards.

[Jewboo]

CRIMETHINK WILLFULLY REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?92250-The-Idle-Army-America%92s-Unworking-Men&p=853354&viewfull=1#post853354)

:rolleyes: on ignore...lol.

[crimethink]

Nazi

This thread is over. Done. Inject Jew terminology like that, and it's an unilateral surrender.




Son, crazy is coming out of you like stink on shit.


I am not your "son," punk. And I don't care if you're chronologically older than I am - you're still a punk.



This is indeed a sign of delusion.


Watch out, there's a malingerer under your bed! And one in your closet! But I'm the one who is delusional. :rolleyes:



He is a very small and troubled man.


I'm not the hypocrite taking government money and then condemning others for doing the exact same thing. You are profiting from crime, by your own standard.




Crimethink is employed in social work


I'm sorry you are illiterate or lacking in cognition. I made clear that was my previous profession.



espousing the Nazi creed?


There's that Jew terminology again.

Book, you must be "proud" you're solidly allied with this "anti-Nazi."



They are weakening us by pitting us against each-other.


You. You are the one pitting us against our own. Everyone who is sick or injured is a "malingerer." Your own words hang you.




One last thing I will say about crimethink and his techniques: 'The Jew Screams in Pain As He Is Slapping You.'


Says the guy who pockets stolen (your term) proceeds, and then shrieks at others about "stealing" from him.

[Neuro]

Oh, but it is his "choice." He could stop accepting benefits, and then work part-time. Not enough to live on? Tough shit, say woodman and Book!

Let's say you now have a system, where you have to prove your disability to work. What options do you have?

Essentially you are stuck at malingering, play the system. A mild disability that stops you from doing some work sometime, forces people to fake illness, that eventually becomes a skill and a lifestyle (I remember my grandmothers brother, who always were bragging about workers compensation claims payments, he essentially defrauded by faking symptoms, 30 years ago).

Alternatively the faking of disease, over time may actually make you sick (My great uncle was also a lard ass, weighing in at +300 lbs, so he got diabetes, heart problems, had too amputate his feet, and died at around the age of 60).

I do blame his lifestyle of this, sure he did have a disc hernia, but it was never because he worked hard, my grandfather told me. My great uncle was working at the same steel mill as my grandfather, where instead of working he was sitting around talking bullshit with likeminded. I guess at age 35 or so he got probably 2-3 months of sick leave for his low back hernia, getting payed 90% of his salary without having to go to work. He liked this lifestyle instead he could be at home dedicating his time making moonshine, and sit around talking bullshit with likeminded. It sure beat having to go up at 6 am to go to work sitting around talking bullshit, and then buy your booze at the alcohol monopoly at ten times the cost you could make it yourself.

He never worked again.

He costed $ hundreds of thousands in medical care (In US today his bill would have been millions probably). Several hundred thousand in sick leave and early disability retirement. And probably he got around $100,000 in total workers compensation. But for fucks sake he had no problem sawing and chopping the wood to heat his house, after the disc hernia, however probably after age 50 or so he didn't have enough strength to do that any longer.

What a wasted life. He turned something he actually recovered from in 2-3 months, into a profession. Nowadays a generation later you probably have 5-10 times as many people dedicating their lives to being sick. They are a significant voting block, and always vote socialist. Just like my great uncle...

[Horn]

CT, you are correct I don't know the situation in US. The social security system in Turkey as provided by government isn't much at all, instead responsibility is on employers and even more so on family. You do have malingerers in Turkey, but also a lot of sick/injured people who go to work because they have no other option.

Yes, its much the same here with indigenous Costa Ricans a bunch of malingerers standing around on the job doing nothing. Woodman should count his blessings that he is Not required to spend every last cent of his earning in a business (if owning one) many places will simply take most everything that left when profit. and malingerers are not a forced part into the workforce.

The system is exclusively designed against savings to encourage more taxation, blaming each other could be oneway, but if the system is not designated as the primary culprit, nothing will change.

[woodman]

This thread is over. Done. Inject Jew terminology like that, and it's an unilateral surrender.




Crimethink slinks away, caught in his own trap. Exposed, stripped naked and reeling. A typical bully who couldn't take his methods being shown for what they are. You who have spent your life thieving and enabling a beastly system, actually administering it, tried to malign an honest trade. You haven't done a day's work in your life, you pitiful bureaucrat.

[Santa]

The difference between a worker and an unworker in context to the original article is really an economic difference, specifically... whether a man is paying taxes or not.
Actually, a vast industry has evolved, consisting of a web of professions that work on ways to avoid paying taxes. In other words, to help workers become unworkers.

Now that's ironic. You might call it constructive malingering.

Most of us work hard to become unworking malingerers. To retire comfortably is among mankind's greatest success stories.
We strive and work hard all our lives just to be able to comfortably browse the isles of big box stores sitting astride our motorized shopping thrones.

We're the envy of the world. :)

[Neuro]

The difference between a worker and an unworker in context to the original article is really an economic difference, specifically... whether a man is paying taxes or not.
Actually, a vast industry has evolved, consisting of a web of professions that work on ways to avoid paying taxes. In other words, to help workers become unworkers.

Now that's ironic. You might call it constructive malingering.

Most of us work hard to become unworking malingerers. To retire comfortably is among mankind's greatest success stories.
We strive and work hard all our lives just to be able to comfortably browse the isles of big box stores sitting astride our motorized shopping thrones.

We're the envy of the world. :)
Becoming a successful malingerer is the new American Dream?

[Jewboo]

Most of us work hard to become unworking malingerers. To retire comfortably is among mankind's greatest success stories.



Conflating malingering with earned retirement is illogical.

:rolleyes:

[Carl]

I like the notion of blaming the symptoms for the problems.

Everybody is attacking this all wrong, what you should be doing is figuring a way to get yourself, your families and all your friends and their families onto the public dole.

Stop being a whining, tax paying schmuck and get in on the free life. STOP FUCKING WORKING FOR A LIVING, fool.

[Santa]

Conflating malingering with earned retirement is illogical.

:rolleyes:


Why? Does it touch a nerve? :rolleyes:

[Santa]

Becoming a successful malingerer is the new American Dream?



It's everyone's dream:)*#*

[Carl]

It's everyone's dream:)*#*
That's the whole point behind economy and that's how civilizations evolve, the most successful being the ones where the population expends the least amount of energy for the most gain. That's the glue that binds civilizations. If you live in a civilization where you have to spend the majority of your time working just to survive, you're living in a failed civilization.

[Santa]

That's the whole point behind economy and that's how civilizations evolve, the most successful being the ones where the population expends the least amount of energy for the most gain. That's the glue that binds civilizations. If you live in a civilization where you have to spend the majority of your time working just to survive, you're living in a failed civilization.


Exactly.

[Horn]

That's the whole point behind economy and that's how civilizations evolve, the most successful being the ones where the population expends the least amount of energy for the most gain. That's the glue that binds civilizations. If you live in a civilization where you have to spend the majority of your time working just to survive, you're living in a failed civilization.

or yur chinese and working for another usurping civilization.

[steel_ag]

"Extra Extra read all about it. Have you heard about the New Government program that pays for your Car note until your Car is paid off and you keep The car? The great part is everyone qualifies regardless of Income and you never have to pay back the Money."

[Neuro]

That's the whole point behind economy and that's how civilizations evolve, the most successful being the ones where the population expends the least amount of energy for the most gain. That's the glue that binds civilizations. If you live in a civilization where you have to spend the majority of your time working just to survive, you're living in a failed civilization.

Good point, and people wanting to expend the least amount of energy for the most gain (corruption or welfare), is the reason for every civilization in history failing.

[crimethink]

Good point, and people wanting to expend the least amount of energy for the most gain (corruption or welfare), is the reason for every civilization in history failing.

At least in America, no recipient gets rich off of welfare.

As for civilizations, they all die for one reason alone: the founding race/bio-cultural nation is displaced or replaced. The pursuit of money is a major factor in that, of course.

[Neuro]

At least in America, no recipient gets rich off of welfare.

Nowhere gets you rich on welfare, but you don't have to work very much for it either. I am not saying it isn't motivated in some cases, disability/physical handicap foremost.

[Carl]

Good point, and people wanting to expend the least amount of energy for the most gain (corruption or welfare), is the reason for every civilization in history failing.

The corruption or welfare is a consequence of failure, not the cause.

[Neuro]

The corruption or welfare is a consequence of failure, not the cause.

So speak up, what is the cause?

[crimethink]

So speak up, what is the cause?

General degeneracy aka the corruption of morality.

[Carl]

So speak up, what is the cause?

Ideologies and weak minded people.

[Jewboo]

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[Neuro]

General degeneracy aka the corruption of morality.

I do agree, but I would say that welfare systems occurred prior to corruption of morality in terms of work ethics! At least in Swedenp

[crimethink]

I do agree, but I would say that welfare systems occurred prior to corruption of morality in terms of work ethics! At least in Swedenp

Corruption of morality began before World War II, which is why World War II was fought as it was. The anomie in society has led to mass psychological and spiritual illnesses, both real and imagined, both severe and exaggerated. Western civilization has been in a state of nihilism for decades now, and a lot of people think and feel, "what's the point anymore?" That feeling of "why?" has reached a very dangerous critical mass among Aryan youth. The governments and "educational" institutions have nothing but lies for all of us, non-violent means achieve nothing, and just getting by day-by-day is a challenge of varying degrees, spiritually, mentally, and physically for the vast majority - which is why so many are drunks and take drugs. It's also why I have sympathy for most, because not all of them are "faking it" as some here allege. I feel what they feel, too, and struggle to hang on - without God, I'd be just as hopeless as anyone else.

As Carl pointed out, "why?" work for a System that hates you, wants to destroy you, and rewards you as little as possible no matter how hard you work unless you're willing to abandon all noble ideals and ideas. I understand the mentality. The Trump Phenomenon fulfills a yearning so many have who would prefer real hope over just getting by day-by-day. If he loses or doesn't honor his promises, you'll see even more "checking out."

[Santa]

So speak up, what is the cause?




The Lazy Boy recliner chair created in 1928

That was the real cause of the great decline.

[Horn]

Civilization and Nation definitions need to be clarified,

A Civilized Nation would Not introduce gratuitous welfare programs or either require it as glue.

Only Nationalized Nations see it as prerequisite, their lifespans are not much longer than Pepe's.

[crimethink]

'I can't find a job because I don't speak Spanish'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3802953/Working-class-Alabama-woman-says-changing-demographics-brought-illegal-immigration-left-struggling-employment.html#ixzz4L9iB333Q


A white middle class Alabama woman says she has been rejected by prospective employers because she doesn't speak Spanish.

Sandra Langlois, a native of Albertville, Alabama, told CNN the changing demographics brought on by illegal immigration has left working class whites like herself struggling to find gainful employment.