Bad Teacher

[EE_]

Poor kid banged her like a screen door in a hurricane. So sad..

Ex-teacher reveals illicit details of affair with student
INSIDE EDITION
Sep 7th 2016 5:33PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsLyWz1PoBk

A 24-year-old Iowa high school teacher arrested for allegedly having sexual relations with her 17-year-old student is opening up about their trysts.

Mary Beth Haglin, a substitute English teacher at Washington High School in Cedar Rapids, showed Inside Edition the raunchy photos she sent to the student during their 6-month relationship.

Haglin turned herself in to authorities in July and was charged with sexual exploitation of a minor. Speaking to Inside Edition, she said she still finds it hard to believe she did what she did.

"I never thought it would get this far and I apologize to each and every person I hurt," she said.

But she claimed it was the student who seduced her.

"He would come into my classroom, grab a Post-It, write something and stick it to my desk on his way out," she said. One read, "I love you so much, my empress."

"He would always call me 'my empress,'" she added.

The student even compared their relationship to the classic movie The Graduate. He once called her "Mrs. Robinson," a nod to Anne Bancroft's character.

The teen Casanova's romantic overtures worked, and his teacher fell in love.

"I was completely head over heels," she said.

She said they had sex almost every day in her car at a public park in the area.

"We met several times a week, not every time was just to have sex," she said. "There were times we would sit and talk. I thought in my mind this was some sort of real relationship."

It all came crashing down when they were spotted by another student. Haglin was fired and charged with sexual exploitation by a school employee.

"I realize how stupid I was and what a terrible mistake I made," she said. "I thought that it was something that could be kept secret and that nobody would ever know."

If convicted, she faces up to 2 years in prison and will need to register as a sex offender.

She said: "I want to go back and smack myself and ask: 'What were you thinking Mary Beth?'"

[Joshua01]

I'd bang that like a screen door in a hurricane...the poor child didn't know how lucky he had it!


Mary Beth Haglin, a substitute English teacher at Washington High School in Cedar Rapids, showed Inside Edition the raunchy photos she sent to the student during their 6-month relationship.

I watched the video and I must have missed that part!

[Ponce]

I could have been a HURACAINE with her.......but...... sniff, sniff....not now.

V

[Twisted Titan]

But she claimed it was the student who seduced her.



Notice the dubble standard

If this was a 24 y/o man on a 17 y/o girl they would have buried his ass under the jail and he would have been a sex offernder for life

[cheka.]

post it notes -- why didnt i think of that

[Joshua01]

post it notes -- why didnt i think of that

Because you probably realized they could turn into evidence and were a lot smarter than this dolt

[Ares]

Where the hell were these hot 24 year old teachers when I was a horny 17 year old kid?

[Atocha]

Poor kid banged her like a screen door in a hurricane. So sad..


Hahaha!!! LMAO!

[Atocha]

I'd bang that like a screen door in a hurricane...the poor child didn't know how lucky he had it!


Mary Beth Haglin, a substitute English teacher at Washington High School in Cedar Rapids, showed Inside Edition the raunchy photos she sent to the student during their 6-month relationship.



I watched the video and I must have missed that part!

When you find them, send them this way!! lol

[cheka.]

a substitute teacher is not a teacher around here. just someone with 60 hours college credit that is called in to babysit

pays about 100 bucks/day

[Santa]

Moral to the story?

Bang the teacher before you turn 18... or?

[Joshua01]

Some kids have all the luck!

[madfranks]

She said they had sex almost every day in her car at a public park in the area.Now there's an extra-curricular activity that he could really get behind!! (get it? LOL)

[Joshua01]

Now there's an extra-curricular activity that he could really get behind!! (get it? LOL)

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-488-488-90/69/6961/DD2K100Z/posters/zippo-lighter-nyuk-nyuk-black-matte.jpg

[Glass]

I can't believe you guys are all booyah over this behaviour. It's taking advantage of a minor apart from the ethical issue of being a person of responsibility. If a man did this he'd be locked up. She should be too. But I bet the judge has some words of how she didn't know, it was a loving relationship and other garbage and let her go. Still I hope she ends on the register and doesn't work with kids again.

[Dogman]

I can't believe you guys are all booyah over this behaviour. It's taking advantage of a minor apart from the ethical issue of being a person of responsibility. If a man did this he'd be locked up. She should be too. But I bet the judge has some words of how she didn't know, it was a loving relationship and other garbage and let her go. Still I hope she ends on the register and doesn't work with kids again.

Back in the day, at my school, the young ones taught in the 1- maybe 6th grade, when one got to high school, maybe the male teachers were young, but the women were mostly old hags or walking talking fossils (with attitude) .. ;D

[Glass]

Back in the day, at my school, the young ones taught in the 1- maybe 6th grade, when one got to high school, maybe the male teachers were young, but the women were mostly old hags or walking talking fossils (with attitude) .. ;D

yes they were. And there was probably a reason for it.

[Dogman]

yes they were. And there was probably a reason for it.

No shit Sherlock , looking back high school was a total hormone drenched fun fest!

And still is today, all those adolescent body's shaken but not quite baked !

;D

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[Joshua01]

I can't believe you guys are all booyah over this behaviour. It's taking advantage of a minor apart from the ethical issue of being a person of responsibility. If a man did this he'd be locked up. She should be too. But I bet the judge has some words of how she didn't know, it was a loving relationship and other garbage and let her go. Still I hope she ends on the register and doesn't work with kids again.


Lighten up Francis. the only reason we THINK this never happened' in the 'old days because it was kept secret. Today with the Internet, there ARE no secrets

[Glass]

Lighten up Francis. the only reason we THINK this never happened' in the 'old days because it was kept secret. Today with the Internet, there ARE no secrets


I don't care if it give you something to jollies off to, it's unacceptable for a person in this position to act this way. I hope she will get time but I doubt it.

There's no attempt for this to be a secret. She's promoting herself and what she did. He would always call me "empress". The reason it is in the news is to encourage it. Notice we have a TV show called bad mom's. Next up tv show, do it with teachers. You may as well start masturbating in the streets and crapping in the supermarket isles.

[Dogman]

Lighten up Francis. the only reason we THINK this never happened' in the 'old days because it was kept secret. Today with the Internet, there ARE no secrets

Somewhat!

Late 1960's

Color TV was sorta rare, not all familys even had a tv, and all broadcasts were straight laced!

Most kids hung out at the local whatever place strutting their stuff!

Everyone had their radios tuned to WLS Chicago, KLIF Dallas or WWL New Orleans AM clear channel stations.

FM stations were rare as hens teeth and most cars radios did not have FM at the time or no good stations in range! Most local were country Western!!

Everyone knew what everyone was up to !

Not saying it did not happen, but in my times, not even a hint of something like that happening, between students and staff!

Biggest things was football/basketball and somewhat track and hanging out, and where and when is the next pasture/oil lease party !

And they that had a steady, were screwing their brains out every chance they got!

;D

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[EE_]

I don't care if it give you something to jollies off to, it's unacceptable for a person in this position to act this way. I hope she will get time but I doubt it.

There's no attempt for this to be a secret. She's promoting herself and what she did. He would always call me "empress". The reason it is in the news is to encourage it. Notice we have a TV show called bad mom's. Next up tv show, do it with teachers. You may as well start masturbating in the streets and crapping in the supermarket isles.

The punishment should fit the crime. I consider this a victimless crime with benefits. No jail time.

[Glass]

The punishment should fit the crime. I consider this a victimless crime with benefits. No jail time.

Its abuse of a minor. It's illegal. And it isn't victimless.
It wasn't as if they were a couple or anything. She didn't date the kid. Didn't go out to diner or for walks in the park, or introduce him to friends and family. Just took him to a park and got her rocks off. I also think it's programming. I actually doubt it happened but the way it's being written is very Isis/Columbia/Godess centric

[Dogman]

Its abuse of a minor. It's illegal. And it isn't victimless.
It wasn't as if they were a couple or anything. She didn't date the kid. Didn't go out to diner or for walks in the park, or introduce him to friends and family. Just took him to a park and got her rocks off. I also think it's programming. I actually doubt it happened but the way it's being written is very Isis/Columbia/Godess centric Humm ?

In your country, it seems the age of consent is 16 years old and 18 for getting very nasty..

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/australia

The guy was 17 which is depending his date maybe would be closer to 18 which at that time all rules are off in other states the age of consent is 17, depending on the state.

She for dam sure was prime time ready..

I see no foul..

;D

[madfranks]

Its abuse of a minor. It's illegal. And it isn't victimless.
It wasn't as if they were a couple or anything. She didn't date the kid. Didn't go out to diner or for walks in the park, or introduce him to friends and family. Just took him to a park and got her rocks off. I also think it's programming. I actually doubt it happened but the way it's being written is very Isis/Columbia/Godess centric

"Abuse" of a state-defined minor. When I was 17 I was more mature and ready to handle the world than most adults today. And what other kind of abuse leaves you with a smile on your face and a spring in your step the next day?

[Cebu_4_2]

Humm ?

In your country, it seems the age of consent is 16 years old and 18 for getting very nasty..

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/australia

The guy was 17 which is depending his date maybe would be closer to 18 which at that time all rules are off in other states the age of consent is 17, depending on the state.

She for dam sure was prime time ready..

I see no foul..

;D


Reverse the role Chuck...

[midnight rambler]

32 years ago -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NsPRTMYTG4

[Cebu_4_2]

32 years ago -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NsPRTMYTG4


You remember Aerosmith?

[Dogman]

Reverse the role Chuck...

For many states 17 is age of consent only a few it is 18!

Nubbru !

Apples and oranges both are fruit!

Still no foul !



;D

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[Jerrylynnb]

We didn't used to be this way - we had morals and knew how to behave before our elders, and teachers.

Any student that didn't know how to behave got a trip to the principle's office to have his suitability to remain in school determined.

Any teacher this immature and irresponsible wouldn't even be allowed in a school setting in the first place.

We've come a long way down under the influence of our jewish entertainers and public figures.

As Cebu and Glass say, reverse the roles and explain the difference.

This was scandalous.

[EE_]

At 17, I don't care who he was banging (female) Teacher should lose her job/license to teach, that's all.

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[Dogman]

Old enough to die and bleed for country, is old enough to breed !

;D

[Ares]

I can't believe you guys are all booyah over this behaviour. It's taking advantage of a minor apart from the ethical issue of being a person of responsibility. If a man did this he'd be locked up. She should be too. But I bet the judge has some words of how she didn't know, it was a loving relationship and other garbage and let her go. Still I hope she ends on the register and doesn't work with kids again.

If this had happened outside of a school setting we wouldn't even be hearing about it. Age of consent in Iowa is 16 years old. She was 24 and he was 17. How exactly was this taking advantage of a minor when he consented and is according to the State of Iowa is of age to consent?? Why ruin her for the rest of her life winding up on a political sex offenders list over something that had this not happened in a school setting no one would of batted an eye at?

[Ares]

We didn't used to be this way - we had morals and knew how to behave before our elders, and teachers.

Any student that didn't know how to behave got a trip to the principle's office to have his suitability to remain in school determined.

Any teacher this immature and irresponsible wouldn't even be allowed in a school setting in the first place.

We've come a long way down under the influence of our jewish entertainers and public figures.

As Cebu and Glass say, reverse the roles and explain the difference.

This was scandalous.

Even the role reversal outside of a school setting and if she was 17 and he 24 there would be no issue. The only thing anyone seems to be complaining about is that the relationship started because it happened at school. Somehow the sanctity of a state sponsored school removes human behavior.

This sort of thing has always happened, it happens at work, it happens in government it happens every where. Do I condone it? No, not really. But I'm smart enough to realize that because you label something a "school" doesn't change human behavior.

[Dogman]

Even the role reversal outside of a school setting and if she was 17 and he 24 there would be no issue. The only thing anyone seems to be complaining about is that the relationship started because it happened at school. Somehow the sanctity of a state sponsored school removes human behavior.

This sort of thing has always happened, it happens at work, it happens in government it happens every where. Do I condone it? No, not really. But I'm smart enough to realize that because you label something a "school" doesn't change human behavior.


Yep !

[EE_]

Even the role reversal outside of a school setting and if she was 17 and he 24 there would be no issue. The only thing anyone seems to be complaining about is that the relationship started because it happened at school. Somehow the sanctity of a state sponsored school removes human behavior.

This sort of thing has always happened, it happens at work, it happens in government it happens every where. Do I condone it? No, not really. But I'm smart enough to realize that because you label something a "school" doesn't change human behavior.

There is no denying there is a double standard between men and women. I'm pretty sure most parents are more protective of their daughters then they are with sons.
A teacher is a position of authority and many, both male and female, can be taken in by their status...same with bosses and people in high positions.
I'm sure I would feel differently if a 24 yr old male teacher was banging my student 17 yr old daughter. He might end up with two broken arms.
There has always been a double standard and there always will be. Just the way it is. People in positions of authority must be held to higher standards.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

"I thought that it was something that could be kept secret and that nobody would ever know."

And there it is folks. AWALT.

[EE_]

It's not only happening in the US. She shagged the poor kid rotten.

Teacher 'who had sex with pupil' banned from classroom

Isabelle Graham says she does not recall the incident as she had had four glasses of wine

Jacob Furedi Wednesday 31 August 201614 comments

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8730241.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Isabelle-Graham-denies-prom-night-sex-romp-with-pupil.jpg
Ms Graham married in 2015 Facebook

A devout Christian teacher who was pictured in bed with a pupil has been banned from the profession.

Isabelle Graham was found to have of engaged in "sexual activity” with a 17-year-old pupil by the General Teaching Council for Scotland (GTCS).

An inquiry into her behaviour was launched after a photograph appeared on social media after her school’s prom night in 2014.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/30/08/37B4210A00000578-3764009-image-a-4_1472541708488.jpg
The photo showed Ms Graham in a Travelodge hotel room bed (Deadline News)

The picture shows a blonde woman lying in hotel room bed with a figure holding a bottle in the doorway.

The 28-year-old French teacher has since resigned from her job at Whitburn Academy in West Lothian. She was absent from the GTCS proceedings.

Responding to her ban, Ms Graham maintained she was an “active and practising Christian” who had been “waiting until marriage” to have sexual intercourse.

She married in 2015. Her husband, who is training for the clergy, maintained her innocence: “In all the time I have known her, she has always put her Christian faith above all other things.

“I have never had any doubt that the allegations made against her were false.”

The teacher is reported to have spent three hours alone with the teenage pupil in a Travelodge in Edinburgh.

GTCS investigator Fraser Thomson said other students saw Pupil A and Mrs Graham "lying on the bed, one on top of the covers and one underneath the covers".

The picture was taken by a friend sharing the room with Pupil A.

Ms Graham claimed she has no recollection of the events because she drank four glasses of wine.

She maintained “it looks like my hair”, but denied recognising the pupil. She suggested she must have been unconscious and the photograph was “posed”. At an earlier hearing, she said: "I'm the victim."

After looking at CCTV footage, Detective Sergeant Keith Miller, who investigated the incident for Police Scotland, disputed this.

“Throughout the footage there’s no sign Ms Graham is under the excessive influence of drugs or alcohol," he said.

“The way she moved and conducted herself suggested someone who was making conscious decisions.”

He added there was footage of the couple kissing.

Police Scotland did formally investigate the incident, but chose not to pursue charges due to a lack of evidence.

Carla Roth, a lawyer for GTCS, said Ms Graham’s action had left pupils feeling “uncomfortable” and “somewhat shocked”.

Ms Graham previously applied to have her case held in private.

She currently lives abroad and has recently had a child with her husband.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/teacher-has-sex-with-pupil-isabelle-graham-devout-christian-travelodge-edinburgh-a7217676.html

[Twisted Titan]

She maintained “it looks like my hair”, but denied recognising the pupil. She suggested she must have been unconscious and the photograph was “posed”. At an earlier hearing, she said: "I'm the victim."




We are at the quadruple standard now.

Can i get a octuplet?
Anyone?
Anyone?

[Joshua01]

Video? I ain't seen no video!!

[Ares]

Video? I ain't seen no video!!

She was on her knees "praying", but it wasn't to her faith. ;)

[EE_]

Its abuse of a minor. It's illegal. And it isn't victimless.
It wasn't as if they were a couple or anything. She didn't date the kid. Didn't go out to diner or for walks in the park, or introduce him to friends and family. Just took him to a park and got her rocks off. I also think it's programming. I actually doubt it happened but the way it's being written is very Isis/Columbia/Godess centric

I don't agree with all laws made by some bureaucrat, or law maker. Just because there's a law, doesn't mean it is wrong for everyone.

Does there have to be a date, dinner, walks in the park, or to be introduced to friends and family, to have hot steamy sex?

I'm sure the young lad was more then willing to go to the park to get his rocks off. The only thing that went wrong was, they got caught.

[madfranks]

"I thought that it was something that could be kept secret and that nobody would ever know."And that's why they did it in the back seat of a car at the park near the school, because hey, nobody would ever see them there! Next time she'll know to take the kid to a bathroom stall instead.

[milehi]

I turned 18 after I had graduated my senior year in high school(by two weeks) and worked a full time job, and had moved out from my parents. At 17 I considered myself a man and would've been so deep in that, that whomever pulled me out would've been the next king of England.

[crimethink]

Now that sodomy is "legal," why are these moral crimes still being prosecuted? It's not that I condone adultery, but the "victim" willfully engaged in this.

[EE_]

Now that sodomy is "legal," why are these moral crimes still being prosecuted? It's not that I condone adultery, but the "victim" willfully engaged in this.

Sodomy is looked at with praise today.

[madfranks]

Vices are not crimes. It doesn't mean they should be encouraged, but they should not be criminalized.

[cheka.]

morality matters. laws should reflect that. eom.

[Ares]

morality matters. laws should reflect that. eom.

You cannot legislate morality. Its never worked and will never work. Culture has to instill morality, not government.

Government attracts sociopaths. You really want them to legislate morality in a society? Why? So we can end up with what we have currently?

[cheka.]

You cannot legislate morality. Its never worked and will never work. Culture has to instill morality, not government.

Government attracts sociopaths. You really want them to legislate morality in a society? Why? So we can end up with what we have currently?

completely disagree. the refusal to enforce morality on the immoral is the culprit...and that includes nyc and dc

[crimethink]

You cannot legislate morality. Its never worked and will never work.


All genuine Law is based on morality. "Thou shalt not murder" is legislation of morality. "Thou shalt not steal" is legislation of morality.




Culture has to instill morality, not government.


Government is supposed to represent the bio-cultural entity ("People") that created it.

When the government fails to protect and defend the culture that created it, it has lost any authority or legitimacy it had.




Government attracts sociopaths. You really want them to legislate morality in a society? Why? So we can end up with what we have currently?

Corrupt government attracts the corrupt. We don't need to get rid of government. We need to get rid of a government that is degenerate, and replace it with proper government, acting with authority (i.e., the right, not just power, to do things...the right things).

One of the facts we must face is that the population itself is degenerate, and the government reflects this fact. We could argue about which came first, but it doesn't matter. If "the People" (sic) are corrupt, a government "of the people" will be corrupt, automatically.

[crimethink]

morality matters. laws should reflect that. eom.

I concur, but, this woman's sin is far, far less than that of any of the gangsters in Jew York or the District of Corruption. And less than that of sodomites. Her persecution (spelled correctly) is a miscarriage of justice, and a reflection of failure to prioritize evils in this society, and within the jewdicial system.

[Ares]

completely disagree. the refusal to enforce morality on the immoral is the culprit...and that includes nyc and dc

Disagree all that you would like. But can you point out a single instance in history where legislating morality resulted it moral behavior?

Keep in mind that drug use, stealing, murder, etc are all illegal. Has it actually stopped the behavior?? Prohibition of alcohol as well as drugs will never work. Legislating morality is the definition of insanity. We've been trying to do it for 5,000+ years.

[monty]

completely disagree. the refusal to enforce morality on the immoral is the culprit...and that includes nyc and dc

Morality must be taught from birth, in the home, churches and schools.

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1402/11/1402117721539.jpg

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1473/31/1473313261328.jpg

[cheka.]

Disagree all that you would like. But can you point out a single instance in history where legislating morality resulted it moral behavior?

Keep in mind that drug use, stealing, murder, etc are all illegal. Has it actually stopped the behavior?? Prohibition alcohol as well as drugs will never work. Legislating morality is the definition of insanity. We've been trying to do it for 5,000+ years.

stopped the behavior? strawman. reduced? you bet. it's been shown that locking up or executing the immoral, i.e. criminal, lowers crime rates

[cheka.]

let me put it another way....THIS is what happens when the enforcement arm of legislated morality is absent

https://cbsstlouis.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/453677744.jpg

[Ares]

stopped the behavior? strawman. reduced? you bet. it's been shown that locking up or executing the immoral, i.e. criminal, lowers crime rates

But it hasn't or the prison system would be shut down. You're just displacing the problem, not resolving it. People abuse drugs alcohol for other reasons. It's an escape and here lately I'd bet that it's an escape from our society.

It's a slippery slope being a legislative body determining what is moral and what is not. Everyones moral compass is different. I have no problem with what people put into their bodies. It is their body and they will suffer the consequences, only when their decisions infringes upon another's rights should the state get involved. Yes that means removing prohibition of drugs. Portugal did it in the early 2000s if I remember correctly and drug use actually dropped dramatically.

You have absolutely no right to dictate what is and what is not moral to another human being. A corporate state has even less of a right to tell anyone what is moral or not.

[Ares]

let me put it another way....THIS is what happens when the enforcement arm of legislated morality is absent

https://cbsstlouis.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/453677744.jpg

No that is typical nigger behavior when their gibsmedat demands aren't met. You also have a double edge sword with legislating morality, the state has most likely told the store owner that he cannot defend himself against thugs so he cannot retaliate by shooting them.

[EE_]

You have absolutely no right to dictate what is and what is not moral to another human being. A corporate state has even less of a right to tell anyone what is moral or not.

Perfectly put. This! http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/GHGecko/ANI_GIFs/Signs/Things_Finger_Pointing_UP.gif

[crimethink]

You have absolutely no right to dictate what is and what is not moral to another human being.

Of course we do. Such right comes from God. I have the right to do so because I am right, judging justly.

Murder = wrong.

Theft = wrong.

Rape = wrong.

Pedophilia = wrong.

Sodomy = wrong.

And so on.

I'm not talking about telling someone they can't consume caffeine, drink alcohol, or even enjoy God's herbs (marijuana, opium, etc.). Those are personal choices that are not inherently wrong. I am a teetotaler, like St. Adolphus, and for the same reason. But if someone wants to drink at home, or in public in moderation, I have no real issue with it, other than being sad that someone has to find relief in such things.

The leftists (especially Cultural Bolshevists) have been pushing the meme that "you have no right to tell someone else what is moral" for decades now, since they want fetal murder to be legal (and eventually, post-birth abortion, too), ideology-based theft to be legal (e.g., "carbon credit" taxation), pedophilia to be legal ("intergenerational 'love' and relationships"), and sodomy to be legal. I'm not saying you are such a leftist, but, unfortunately, I think you fail to see how corrosive such an idea is on a society.



A corporate state has even less of a right to tell anyone what is moral or not.

A corporate state has no "rights" at all, as all it has is power, with no authority.

Only an organic state, as an extension of the People that created, has any such authority.

[Ares]

Of course we do. Such right comes from God. I have the right to do so because I am right, judging justly.

Murder = wrong.

Theft = wrong.

Rape = wrong.

Pedophilia = wrong.

Sodomy = wrong.

And so on.


Read above, I said when someone infringes upon another's right then they should absolutely be prosecuted, and even executed in the case of murder.


I'm not talking about telling someone they can't drink caffeine, drink alcohol, or even use God's herbs (marijuana, opium, etc.). Those are personal choices that are not inherently wrong. I am a teetotaler, like St. Adolphus, and for the same reason. But if someone wants to drink at home, or in public in moderation, I have no real issue with it, other than being sad that someone has to find relief in such things.

We're pretty much on the same page here, and goes along with what Madfranks said earlier. The current legislative body prefers to make vices illegal because of morals. But it goes without saying morals are decided at a local cultural level not dictated by a foreign far away legislative body.

[crimethink]

No that is typical nigger behavior when their gibsmedat demands aren't met. You also have a double edge sword with legislating morality, the state has most likely told the store owner that he cannot defend himself against thugs so he cannot retaliate by shooting them.

Typical Nigger Behavior would quickly come to an end if proper wildlife management techniques, including swift euthanasia, including the noose, were employed.

As I have said many times, "government" is not the problem. This "government" is the problem. Any "government" that proscribes self-defense is illegitimate, and needs to be overthrown and replaced with organic government.

[crimethink]

The current legislative body prefers to make vices illegal because of morals.

I must disagree: the current regime dispensed with any semblance of traditional morality long ago. It has a "problem" with "vices" (alcohol, tobacco, etc.) mostly because they are cash-cows for this regime ('sin taxes"). Nearly all the "lawmakers" are drunks themselves. Many are smokers. Many are hard drug users. The continued issue with marijuana is multi-fold; one, the enforcement apparatus against it doesn't want to go away, and, two, the Jewish Liquor Lobby prefers people to keep buying their more-deadly products. The only reason that "decriminalization"/"legalization" is even being considered/allowed to be considered is the government wants another pile of tax revenue.

When America was far more moral than today, when traditional Christian morality was part of every household and nearly every individual's life, and most in government still adhered, at least in part, to such values, Cannabis and Cocaine Hydrochloride, USP, were legal and readily available.

Christianity was replaced with worship of the Federal Beast.

[Jewboo]

You have absolutely no right to dictate what is and what is not moral to another human being. A corporate state has even less of a right to tell anyone what is moral or not.



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:rolleyes:

[Joshua01]

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:rolleyes:

Darwin....let them kill themselves and the problem takes care of itself. No laws are necessary. The kid will figure out life without these idiots

[Ares]

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:rolleyes:

I know your reading comprehension skills are a little slow. But wouldn't them neglecting their child infringe on the child's rights and thus be prosecuted for the kids death?

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it."
Thomas Jefferson

I know freedom and living with the consequences of freedom is such a foreign concept to you book, statism is a tried and true failure. You can post whatever you would like but it doesn't change the fact that you cannot dictate morals to another human being. Unless they infringe upon you, you have no basis to complain.

That picture also demonstrates that the drug laws have failed. They knew that injecting heroin was illegal, but that knowledge didn't stop their behavior.

[crimethink]

That picture also demonstrates that the drug laws have failed. They knew that injecting heroin was illegal, but that knowledge didn't stop their behavior.

Murder is illegal, but murders continue. Theft is illegal, but stealing continues. The point? Degenerates do not obey laws. Does this mean we should stop making good laws and aiming to enforce them?

Personally, I don't care if someone shoots up and kills themselves, but, when children are involved, or, their behaviors are a public health menace, threatening neighborhoods, we cannot just let them be. Do I believe they should be "punished" in jail? No - dope abuse is punishment enough. But mandatory lockup in a real treatment environment is definitely called for. Heroin and Meth are in a completely different league - a very low one - than natural substances like Marijuana, and cannot be treated as "benign" in any way.

[Ares]

Murder is illegal, but murders continue. Theft is illegal, but stealing continues. The point? Degenerates do not obey laws. Does this mean we should stop making good laws and aiming to enforce them?

Personally, I don't care if someone shoots up and kills themselves, but, when children are involved, or, their behaviors are a public health menace, threatening neighborhoods, we cannot just let them be. Do I believe they should be "punished" in jail? No - dope abuse is punishment enough. But mandatory lockup in a real treatment environment is definitely called for. Heroin and Meth are in a completely different league - a very low one - than natural substances like Marijuana, and cannot be treated as "benign" in any way.

For putting their kids life in danger by their stupidity they should definitely see some jail time, and mandatory substance abuse treatment. I've read iboga has a 90% success rate with curing Heroin addiction. But the government has also outlawed that substance as well even though it's a tree.