Judge Anna von Reitz: Come out of Babylon

[Bigjon]

Come Out of Babylon (https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/2016/09/13/come-out-of-babylon/)
Posted on September 13, 2016 (https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/2016/09/13/come-out-of-babylon/)by David Robinson (https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/author/drobin88/)
https://mainerepublicemailalert.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/anna.png?w=640 Judge Anna von Reitz

I have tried and tried and tried to get these points across: there are two governments in America, one British, one American. There are two populaces in America—- one of British Subjects, one of American State nationals.
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This is the way it is and it is the way it has always been. For all those who want proof in the founding documents go to www.freesovereignandindependent.com (http://www.freesovereignandindependent.com/) and look at what the Definitive Treaty of Peace (1783) which ended the Revolutionary War reveals: two populations. One population known as “free, sovereign, and independent people of the United States” and the other known as “inhabitants”—- British Subjects left here to provide “essential government services.”
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Look at Article IV of the actual Constitution. There it is again, the provision of essential government services by federal employees.
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The original United States (Trading Company) which provided these nineteen enumerated services was bankrupted by Lincoln in 1863. That original company operated on the land and under the law of the land, but it was operated by British Subjects called “United States Citizens” even then.
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When the open hostilities of the War of Secession ended on the land jurisdiction, the filthy British Monarchs continued to wage war in the international jurisdiction of the sea against the “rebels” and they continued to use the fanciful excuse that there were still “rebels” to prosecute as a smoke screen to attack and prosecute and fleece and defraud average, law-abiding, peaceful Americans for the next 150 years.
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Most people would stare at you as if you were crazy if you suggested that the American Civil War is ongoing even now, but so it is and has been. We have been at constant “war” since 1863, because these British buggers and their sycophants acting as the “Congress” — a Board of Directors of the corporations they have fostered as successors to the original constitution’s commercial services contract— have never declared an official peace treaty ending the Civil War.
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You can look all day long for a month of Sundays for a Peace Treaty ending the Civil War and you will find that what I am telling you is true. The Civil War never officially ended and the British rats have used that as an excuse to attack and plunder innocent American civilians ever since.
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After Lincoln bankrupted the United States (Trading Company) the Brits and their supporters in this country spawned a new governmental services corporation called, “The United States of America, Inc.” which ran from 1868 to 1907 when it was purchased by a consortium of mostly European banks calling themselves the “Federal Reserve”.
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The Federal Reserve acquired “The United States of America, Inc.” and bankrupted it in turn, giving rise to the First World War. They changed the name slightly and booted up another version calling it “the United States of America, Inc.” and ran it into the ground and bankrupted it in 1933, causing the Second World War.
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During the Second World War and using it as an excuse, pleading the need to “harness” the vast resources of America and the American People “for the War Effort” the Brits and their Cronies in America —- all British Subjects, all “United States Citizens” or “citizens of the United States”, conspired to set up a system to enslave Americans and use our assets as collateral backing their debts.
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Here are a couple good examples of it.
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During the Second World War, patriotic Americans were urged to donate a portion of their earnings for the “War Effort”—- and millions upon millions dutifully signed up and paid the “Victory Tax”— a “voluntarily income tax” on their earnings. This tax was supposed to automatically sunset (cease) upon the end of hostilities, but the legislation creating it had no specific ending date.
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As a result, when the war ended in 1945, the tax system kept right on chugging and neither the British King nor his loyal Subjects running the UNITED STATES, INC. bothered to put an end date on the “Victory Tax” and release all those patriotic Americans from the obligation to keep on paying. Instead, they renamed it the “Federal Income Tax” and booted up the IRS to become the most ferocious private Bill Collection Agency on earth, which deliberately gave people the idea that the IRS was associated with our lawful government, instead of any “War Effort”, and used it to jail and fine and tax millions of Americans who never owed them a dime.
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Worse yet was the means devised to enforce all this rot, including the draft, which was all predicated on the totally false idea that all the Americans knowingly and willingly and voluntarily agreed to be British Subjects —- “United States Citizens” or “citizens of the United States”.
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They mischaracterized and deliberately, self-interestedly misidentified hundreds of millions of innocent Americans as British Subjects—- a crime of political genocide recognized by the Geneva Conventions as a death penalty war crime. They used various means of false registrations and disinformation to coerce the victims and especially the victim’s Mothers to provide false statements to the effect that all these Americans were “United States Citizens” or “citizens of the United States” instead of being what they are and always were: Americans known as American State nationals—- Ohioans, Virginians, Californians, Texans, Wisconsinites, Mainers, and so on.
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It has been the biggest human trafficking crime in world history, resulting in the press ganging of hundreds of millions of Americans over the course of one hundred and fifty years. . . . It has been the biggest tax crime, the biggest racketeering and identity theft scheme, the biggest counterfeiting racket, the biggest credit fraud scheme, the biggest unlawful conversion theft, the biggest securities fraud, and the most tortuous copyright infringement ever conceived.
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And it was brought to you by the Lords of the Admiralty, the British Monarchs, and the “United States Citizens” responsible for running the “federal government”—- a corporation operated out of the District of Columbia for the purpose of providing the States of America with essential governmental services under commercial services contract.
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Now, some people, mainly British Subjects—foreign politicians masquerading as if they “represent” you, and Bar Attorneys up to their ears in it—-would like to present this circumstance as a political issue, but it isn’t a political issue. It’s a matter of crime practiced against their employers, benefactors, and allies for 150 years and it is finally coming to an end.
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Now that you have this firmly in mind I want to raise a flag of caution and promote a bit of understanding. All this harm to us has been allowed under The Constitution—-except for the semantic deceits and constructive frauds that have been used as a means to promote and prolong this circumstance. Under The Constitution, the “Congress” has been allowed to exist and to operate its affairs as plenary oligarchs operating the government of the District of Columbia however they see fit.
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It is a foreign corporate government with respect to us. And instead of operating it as it always should have been, the British Monarchs have instead acted in Breach of Trust and treaty and used it to wage war and practice crime and fraud against us and our lawful government. The British Government — operating a backdoor fraud scheme against us under the pretense of being our friends and Allies — has done us more harm than any enemy entering through the front door could ever do, and the members of “Congress” — misrepresenting themselves as our “representatives” and fiduciary agents — have done still more harm to millions of innocent, peaceful, trusting Americans who have fought their wars and paid their debts since 1863.
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What you are looking at is a mammoth international crime syndicate, fostered by international banks and European trading companies. The British Government started it and milked it all the way through the Second World War, but in 1944, the French Government had to get in on the act, too. The French Government chartered the IMF, and the IMF chartered the UNITED STATES, INC., yet another “assumed successor” to the commercial services contract to provide the nineteen enumerated services required by the original Constitution.
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Here is the Take Home Lesson for today: none of this, absolutely none of it, has anything to do with you or with your lawful government owed the land jurisdiction of the United States. The name of this country is “States of America” and our fifty nations on the land hold the land jurisdiction in trust for the people known variously as Californians and New Yorkers and North Dakotans and so on. The States of America are alive and well and bringing claim forward as the Priority Creditors of the foreign bankrupt corporations.
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Stand up and be counted as members of the free, sovereign, and independent people of the united States of America, living people not corporations, American State nationals, not “United States Citizens” and not “citizens of the United States”. Send your Acts of Expatriation to the State Secretary of State and the Attorney General making it clear that you do not voluntarily assume any such foreign political status and that you have been mischaracterized and defrauded.

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[Bigjon]

The Definitive Treaty of Peace 1783 (http://nebula.wsimg.com/cbfde2e53bd643cbd07096888f4ba8fa?AccessKeyId=EBD52 67540F94B96551E&disposition=0&alloworigin=1) ​

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch-treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America, to forget all past misunderstandings and differences that have unhappily interrupted the good correspondence and friendship which they mutually wish to restore, and to establish such a beneficial and satisfactory intercourse , between the two countries upon the ground of reciprocal advantages and mutual convenience as may promote and secure to both perpetual peace and harmony; and having for this desirable end already laid the foundation of peace and reconciliation by the Provisional Articles signed at Paris on the 30th of November 1782, by the commissioners empowered on each part, which articles were agreed to be inserted in and constitute the Treaty of Peace proposed to be concluded between the Crown of Great Britain and the said United States, but which treaty was not to be concluded until terms of peace should be agreed upon between Great Britain and France and his Britannic Majesty should be ready to conclude such treaty accordingly; and the treaty between Great Britain and France having since been concluded, his Britannic Majesty and the United States of America, in order to carry into full effect the Provisional Articles above mentioned, according to the tenor thereof, have constituted and appointed, that is to say his Britannic Majesty on his part, David Hartley, Esqr., member of the Parliament of Great Britain, and the said United States on their part, John Adams, Esqr., late a commissioner of the United States of America at the court of Versailles, late delegate in Congress from the state of Massachusetts, and chief justice of the said state, and minister plenipotentiary of the said United States to their high mightinesses the States General of the United Netherlands; Benjamin Franklin, Esqr., late delegate in Congress from the state of Pennsylvania, president of the convention of the said state, and minister plenipotentiary from the United States of America at the court of Versailles; John Jay, Esqr., late president of Congress and chief justice of the state of New York, and minister plenipotentiary from the said United States at the court of Madrid; to be plenipotentiaries for the concluding and signing the present definitive treaty; who after having reciprocally communicated their respective full powers have agreed upon and confirmed the following articles.

Article 1:

His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and independent states, that he treats with them as such, and for himself, his heirs, and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof.

Article 2:

And that all disputes which might arise in future on the subject of the boundaries of the said United States may be prevented, it is hereby agreed and declared, that the following are and shall be their boundaries, viz.; from the northwest angle of Nova Scotia, viz., that angle which is formed by a line drawn due north from the source of St. Croix River to the highlands; along the said highlands which divide those rivers that empty themselves into the river St. Lawrence, from those which fall into the Atlantic Ocean, to the northwesternmost head of Connecticut River; thence down along the middle of that river to the forty-fifth degree of north latitude; from thence by a line due west on said latitude until it strikes the river Iroquois or Cataraquy; thence along the middle of said river into Lake Ontario; through the middle of said lake until it strikes the communication by water between that lake and Lake Erie; thence along the middle of said communication into Lake Erie, through the middle of said lake until it arrives at the water communication between that lake and Lake Huron; thence along the middle of said water communication into Lake Huron, thence through the middle of said lake to the water communication between that lake and Lake Superior; thence through Lake Superior northward of the Isles Royal and Phelipeaux to the Long Lake; thence through the middle of said Long Lake and the water communication between it and the Lake of the Woods, to the said Lake of the Woods; thence through the said lake to the most northwesternmost point thereof, and from thence on a due west course to the river Mississippi; thence by a line to be drawn along the middle of the said river Mississippi until it shall intersect the northernmost part of the thirty-first degree of north latitude, South, by a line to be drawn due east from the determination of the line last mentioned in the latitude of thirty-one degrees of the equator, to the middle of the river Apalachicola or Catahouche; thence along the middle thereof to its junction with the Flint River, thence straight to the head of Saint Mary's River; and thence down along the middle of Saint Mary's River to the Atlantic Ocean; east, by a line to be drawn along the middle of the river Saint Croix, from its mouth in the Bay of Fundy to its source, and from its source directly north to the aforesaid highlands which divide the rivers that fall into the Atlantic Ocean from those which fall into the river Saint Lawrence; comprehending all islands within twenty leagues of any part of the shores of the United States, and lying between lines to be drawn due east from the points where the aforesaid boundaries between Nova Scotia on the one part and East Florida on the other shall, respectively, touch the Bay of Fundy and the Atlantic Ocean, excepting such islands as now are or heretofore have been within the limits of the said province of Nova Scotia.


Article 3:

It is agreed that the people of the United States shall continue to enjoy unmolested the right to take fish of every kind on the Grand Bank and on all the other banks of Newfoundland, also in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and at all other places in the sea, where the inhabitants of both countries used at any time heretofore to fish. And also that the inhabitants of the United States shall have liberty to take fish of every kind on such part of the coast of Newfoundland as British fishermen shall use, (but not to dry or cure the same on that island) and also on the coasts, bays and creeks of all other of his Brittanic Majesty's dominions in America; and that the American fishermen shall have liberty to dry and cure fish in any of the unsettled bays, harbors, and creeks of Nova Scotia, Magdalen Islands, and Labrador, so long as the same shall remain unsettled, but so soon as the same or either of them shall be settled, it shall not be lawful for the said fishermen to dry or cure fish at such settlement without a previous agreement for that purpose with the inhabitants, proprietors, or possessors of the ground.


Article 4:

It is agreed that creditors on either side shall meet with no lawful impediment to the recovery of the full value in sterling money of all bona fide debts heretofore contracted.



Article 5:

It is agreed that Congress shall earnestly recommend it to the legislatures of the respective states to provide for the restitution of all estates, rights, and properties, which have been confiscated belonging to real British subjects; and also of the estates, rights, and properties of persons resident in districts in the possession on his Majesty's arms and who have not borne arms against the said United States. And that persons of any other decription shall have free liberty to go to any part or parts of any of the thirteen United States and therein to remain twelve months unmolested in their endeavors to obtain the restitution of such of their estates, rights, and properties as may have been confiscated; and that Congress shall also earnestly recommend to the several states a reconsideration and revision of all acts or laws regarding the premises, so as to render the said laws or acts perfectly consistent not only with justice and equity but with that spirit of conciliation which on the return of the blessings of peace should universally prevail. And that Congress shall also earnestly recommend to the several states that the estates, rights, and properties, of such last mentioned persons shall be restored to them, they refunding to any persons who may be now in possession the bona fide price (where any has been given) which such persons may have paid on purchasing any of the said lands, rights, or properties since the confiscation. And it is agreed that all persons who have any interest in confiscated lands, either by debts, marriage settlements, or otherwise, shall meet with no lawful impediment in the prosecution of their just rights.



Article 6:

That there shall be no future confiscations made nor any prosecutions commenced against any person or persons for, or by reason of, the part which he or they may have taken in the present war, and that no person shall on that account suffer any future loss or damage, either in his person, liberty, or property; and that those who may be in confinement on such charges at the time of the ratification of the treaty in America shall be immediately set at liberty, and the prosecutions so commenced be discontinued.



Article 7:

There shall be a firm and perpetual peace between his Brittanic Majesty and the said states, and between the subjects of the one and the citizens of the other, wherefore all hostilities both by sea and land shall from henceforth cease. All prisoners on both sides shall be set at liberty, and his Brittanic Majesty shall with all convenient speed, and without causing any destruction, or carrying away any Negroes or other property of the American inhabitants, withdraw all his armies, garrisons, and fleets from the said United States, and from every post, place, and harbor within the same; leaving in all fortifications, the American artilery that may be therein; and shall also order and cause all archives, records, deeds, and papers belonging to any of the said states, or their citizens, which in the course of the war may have fallen into the hands of his officers, to be forthwith restored and delivered to the proper states and persons to whom they belong.



Article 8:

The navigation of the river Mississippi, from its source to the ocean, shall forever remain free and open to the subjects of Great Britain and the citizens of the United States.



Article 9:

In case it should so happen that any place or territory belonging to Great Britain or to the United States should have been conquered by the arms of either from the other before the arrival of the said Provisional Articles in America, it is agreed that the same shall be restored without difficulty and without requiring any compensation.



Article 10:

The solemn ratifications of the present treaty expedited in good and due form shall be exchanged between the contracting parties in the space of six months or sooner, if possible, to be computed from the day of the signatures of the present treaty. In witness whereof we the undersigned, their ministers plenipotentiary, have in their name and in virtue of our full powers, signed with our hands the present definitive treaty and caused the seals of our arms to be affixed thereto.


Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three.

D. HARTLEY (SEAL)
JOHN ADAMS (SEAL)
B. FRANKLIN (SEAL)
JOHN JAY (SEAL)

Source:
Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America.
Edited by Hunter Miller
Volume 2
Documents 1-40 : 1776-1818
Washington : Government Printing Office, 1931​

[Glass]

A must read for the people who continually post "Sovereign Citizens"

[Neuro]

Doesn't matter. Laws are upheld discriminately only if they serve the purpose of the masters, and there is virtually no legal recourse if your argument is counter to the interest of the masters. There is no rule of law, the courts are theater shows, and they will discredit, jail or murder you if they perceive you to be enough of a threat to their order. That's the reality!

[monty]

A must read for the people who continually post "Sovereign Citizens"

Also,read Dr. Trowbridge's latest lawsuit. He explains the fraud using many references to the United States Statutes at Large.

https://supremecourtcase.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/plaintiffs-amended-original-petition-august-16-2016-18-6-mb.pdf

[Jewboo]

Stand up and be counted as members of the free, sovereign, and independent people of the united States of America, living people not corporations, American State nationals, not “United States Citizens” and not “citizens of the United States”. Send your Acts of Expatriation to the State Secretary of State and the Attorney General making it clear that you do not voluntarily assume any such foreign political status and that you have been mischaracterized and defrauded.



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Not this bullshit again.

:rolleyes:

[Bigjon]

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/53500/Homeless-George-Bush-on-Laptop-53520.jpg

Not this bullshit again.

:rolleyes:


Hey book, nice photo of you, I'll always remember you don't understand history.

[Bigjon]

Doesn't matter. Laws are upheld discriminately only if they serve the purpose of the masters, and there is virtually no legal recourse if your argument is counter to the interest of the masters. There is no rule of law, the courts are theater shows, and they will discredit, jail or murder you if they perceive you to be enough of a threat to their order. That's the reality!

Spoken like a swede, 10000 Swedes ran through the weeds chased by one Norwegian.

[Neuro]

Spoken like a swede, 10000 Swedes ran through the weeds chased by one Norwegian.

What are you talking about?

[Bigjon]

What are you talking about?

You've never heard that before?
There's a poem that starts out like that, can't remember any of the rest of it.
Has something to do with Norwegians winning their independence from Sweden in 19xx.

I grew up in a town with 40 percent Norwegians 35 percent Swedes so there was a lot of good natured banter between the races.

[Jewboo]

Doesn't matter. Laws are upheld discriminately only if they serve the purpose of the masters, and there is virtually no legal recourse if your argument is counter to the interest of the masters. There is no rule of law, the courts are theater shows, and they will discredit, jail or murder you if they perceive you to be enough of a threat to their order. That's the reality!

Exactly the reality...something Bigjon never deals with...lol.

[Neuro]

You've never heard that before?
There's a poem that starts out like that, can't remember any of the rest of it.
Has something to do with Norwegians winning their independence from Sweden in 19xx.

I grew up in a town with 40 percent Norwegians 35 percent Swedes so there was a lot of good natured banter between the races.

Ah I see. It was in 1905 Sweden GAVE Norway its independence. Norway did terrible after that, until 1970's when the offshore oilfields were started to be exploited. The Norwegians are the ayrabs of Scandinavia. Nowadays if something needs to be done in Norway, they hire a Swede for the job, and pay for it in oil money... :)

[Bigjon]

Exactly the reality...something Bigjon never deals with...lol.

Well the reality is that if you don't insist that the LAW follows the law you have what you are claiming.

And you folks seem to want to lay down without even trying to fight.

You guys are a bunch of true cuckservatives.

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[Bigjon]

Ah I see. It was in 1905 Sweden GAVE Norway its independence. Norway did terrible after that, until 1970's when the offshore oilfields were started to be exploited. The Norwegians are the ayrabs of Scandinavia. Nowadays if something needs to be done in Norway, they hire a Swede for the job, and pay for it in oil money... :)

There was a country called Sweden, but they let the Jews give it away to Islam. They laid down and rolled over in fear of being called racists, because the Jews told them to.

[Neuro]

Well the reality is that if you don't insist that the LAW follows the law you have what you are claiming.

And you folks seem to want to lay down without even trying to fight.

You guys are a bunch of true cuckservatives.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/cuckssuck-e1438204405773.jpg
What did you do?

[Bigjon]

What did you do?

More than you, I'm not lying down pushing a message to give up without a fight.

[Jewboo]

And you folks seem to want to lay down without even trying to fight.



http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/53500/Homeless-George-Bush-on-Laptop-53520.jpg
" They can take away my stolen shopping cart but they can never take away my Freedom! " -Bigmouth

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

More than you, I'm not lying down pushing a message to give up without a fight.

Please tell us more about your fight with the "Law". Personally I'm just lying low until the current system collapses under the weight of its corruption. I think it is pretty good idea compared to getting shot or imprisoned by "law enforcement" agents.

[Jewboo]

Please tell us more about your fight with the "Law"...



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"Bigjon shot two police officers early this evening..."


:rolleyes: link us to that reality news story Bigmouth

[Bigjon]

Booky writes trash in his mommy's basement.

The truth is I have done none of what Anna calls for, because I'm well into my 70's and paid SS all my life and want to keep collecting what I earned.
If I followed Anna's reco's I doubt if I could collect SS.

That said, if I were a young man 50 and below I would jump at the chance to tell this phony Corporation calling itself a government, where to go. The steps Anna outlines are all lawful even in the eyes of the Federal gov.

There are two types of citizens in America, one Federal and one under the state of your birth. I'm a Minnesotan, nothing unlawful about that.

No need to get a gun and look for cops, that's for fat lying asses like booky.

[Bigjon]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8468&d=1473911399

[Jewboo]

...I'm well into my 70's and paid SS all my life and want to keep collecting what I earned.



Quoted without comment.

[Neuro]

Booky writes trash in his mommy's basement.

The truth is I have done none of what Anna calls for, because I'm well into my 70's and paid SS all my life and want to keep collecting what I earned.
If I followed Anna's reco's I doubt if I could collect SS.

That said, if I were a young man 50 and below I would jump at the chance to tell this phony Corporation calling itself a government, where to go. The steps Anna outlines are all lawful even in the eyes of the Federal gov.

There are two types of citizens in America, one Federal and one under the state of your birth. I'm a Minnesotan, nothing unlawful about that.

No need to get a gun and look for cops, that's for fat lying asses like booky.
You care about what is lawful, as long as it doesn't hit your wallet. You encourage those who are younger than yourselves to take a stronger stance against the police state, even though these have families to provide for, and you proudly calls yourself a Minnesotan? If your into your 70's what do you have to lose? Only your own life, which is going to be more miserable every year, which aren't that many. Instead you are sitting counting how many FRN's you payed into SS, so I better live this long so I can at least collect from uncle Satan what I payed in, and I better not rock the boat, while collecting.

You hypocrite!

Besides as has already been pointed out to you, and what is apparent to anyone with any of his senses somewhat intact, what is lawful has no bearing on how law is practiced any longer. People who are acting lawfully are taken down by the law, if they are perceived as a threat to the rulers. Don't believe me? Try and take a lawful gun into the Minnesota governors mansion... People who doesn't act lawful, like the Clintons, face no consequence for their criminal acts, because they are puppets of the rulers. Bush said it himself "The constitution is just a G-d piece of paper".

[Bigjon]

You care about what is lawful, as long as it doesn't hit your wallet. You encourage those who are younger than yourselves to take a stronger stance against the police state, even though these have families to provide for, and you proudly calls yourself a Minnesotan? If your into your 70's what do you have to lose? Only your own life, which is going to be more miserable every year, which aren't that many. Instead you are sitting counting how many FRN's you payed into SS, so I better live this long so I can at least collect from uncle Satan what I payed in, and I better not rock the boat, while collecting.

You hypocrite!

Besides as has already been pointed out to you, and what is apparent to anyone with any of his senses somewhat intact, what is lawful has no bearing on how law is practiced any longer. People who are acting lawfully are taken down by the law, if they are perceived as a threat to the rulers. Don't believe me? Try and take a lawful gun into the Minnesota governors mansion... People who doesn't act lawful, like the Clintons, face no consequence for their criminal acts, because they are puppets of the rulers. Bush said it himself "The constitution is just a G-d piece of paper".


hypocrite:
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

I don't think that describes my position. I have not asked anyone to do what Anna prescribes.

I am on a journey of discovery, like we all are. Anna and others along the way are making it clear how we have been lied to and misled to believe things that are not true.

What I do see is people like the ranchers who are in trouble right now are in there because of a lack of understanding how the system is really set up. As I understand their position they believe they are US Citizens and don't realize all the baggage that entails. Making them liable to obey all the Federal Statutes, while at the same time they read from a constitution that is not their law, but have been told all their life that it is the law of the land.

If they had done the paperwork to make themselves American State Nationals they would be under the constitution and not subject to Federal Statutes.

From the little that I know there are a few people who have declared their status and those people are not going to jail or being harassed by the police. Look at Anna, there is hardly anyone who is more public in what she is writing about and no one is locking her up. Maybe she's an agent provocateur, maybe it's a gov sting, we do know nothing is beyond the realm of how low "our" Federal gov will stoop. I don't think that last statement is true, but the thought has occurred to me.

We the people are taught a whole bunch of baloney, that we firmly believe, but it just aint so. People like Anna are removing that ignorance and that is a good thing.

I think you guys make some good points about how corrupt our courts are. But when you declare your status as a State National, they have a hard time ignoring your clear status. If you don't declare your status the courts doctrine is to assume you are under their thumb and are knowingly assenting to all their statutes.

Bottom line is I'll keep posting this stuff and you can jump up and down all you want, but it won't make any difference to me.

[Jewboo]

hypocrite:

I don't think that describes my position...I am on a journey of discovery, like we all are...Bottom line is I'll keep posting this stuff and you can jump up and down all you want, but it won't make any difference to me.



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Perhaps this can be a teachable moment. Neuro basically makes the case that us geezers on Social Security Retirement should be the kamikaze pilots - not young men with their whole lives ahead of them with small children. Address his point.

:)

[monty]

Perhaps us geezers on Social Security should be the kamikazi pilots. To those of us such as myself with no other pension would certainly starve when our Social Security was discontinued because we exposed forbidden information. Or we may be relegated to a diet of prison food after being jailed as a political prisoner.

Men like Dr. John Parks Trowbridge Jr., Cliven Bundy, Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, Peter Santilli and those who stood with them are doing an admirable job exposing the frauds our jew controlled politicians have foisted upon us.

I have had serious doubts about Anna Von Reitz, thinking maybe she is another Tim Turner. But like Bigjon I have not been able to find anything in her writings that is not supported by treaties and the constitution.

Back in the Tim Turner days, Beefsteak, Liberty Tree and I all were sucked in by his phony program. That has caused me to be more cautious about people like Judge Anna. I do give her credence and have asked my sons and daughters and grandchildren to read her writings. I have also encouraged them to take the free course on the constitution offered by Hilsdale College.

Bigjon may not be activley particpating in everything suggested by Judge Anna, but writing his viewpoints and sharing her information he is promoting the truth. He deserves credit for that.

Happy Constitution Day, Sept. 18!

[Bigjon]

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Perhaps this can be a teachable moment. Neuro basically makes the case that us geezers on Social Security Retirement should be the kamikaze pilots - not young men with their whole lives ahead of them with small children. Address his point.

:)


I think I have, but I'll try to clarify it. I have no evidence that declaring to be an American State National gets anyone in trouble. I have seen evidence that it is just the opposite in that by clearly declaring ASN status, people stay out of trouble, providing they are adequately informed about the pitfalls that the Fed's try to trap you with. Things like taking out a personal banking account and signing and thereby agreeing to abide be all the rules of the Federal Reserve.

With the luxury of the Internet we can just move our bank offshore and avoid the ******* Federal Reserve.

Bottom line is ignorance is always expensive and a little knowledge can also have the same consequence.

I made no vow of poverty and will make no such vow.

I was forced into SS and so were most everyone else I know. There were no options and I only learned about this option after I retired.

If the gov cuts off SS, I'm ready to make the jump to ASN.

To Monty, I see your reply above and thank you for it. Thanks button is on vacation.

[Neuro]

Knowledge of this constitution will only be of value when it is time to write a new one, some 50-100-300 years down the line. First the current corrupt system needs to collapse, then you'll have a long time of chaos and warlords, until societies bigger than tribes starts forming. It is a long time into the future.

By all means continue to draw your social security checks as long as you can. I'll contribute as little as I reasonably can. I am soon 50 in a few years there is very little chance of me getting anything of what I contribute back. You drain the beast I stop feeding it, but generally it is a better idea to stay below radar, than to openly challenge. No matter the lawfulness of your position...

[monty]

Knowledge of this constitution will only be of value when it is time to write a new one, some 50-100-300 (tel:50-100-300) years down the line. First the current corrupt system needs to collapse, then you'll have a long time of chaos and warlords, until societies bigger than tribes starts forming. It is a long time into the future.

By all means continue to draw your social security checks as long as you can. I'll contribute as little as I reasonably can. I am soon 50 in a few years there is very little chance of me getting anything of what I contribute back. You drain the beast I stop feeding it, but generally it is a better idea to stay below radar, than to openly challenge. No matter the lawfulness of your position...


I firmly believe we are very close to that collapse. Like you I believe it is best to maintain a low profile and to make the best I can of what we are facing.

[Bigjon]

Knowledge of this constitution will only be of value when it is time to write a new one, some 50-100-300 years down the line. First the current corrupt system needs to collapse, then you'll have a long time of chaos and warlords, until societies bigger than tribes starts forming. It is a long time into the future.

By all means continue to draw your social security checks as long as you can. I'll contribute as little as I reasonably can. I am soon 50 in a few years there is very little chance of me getting anything of what I contribute back. You drain the beast I stop feeding it, but generally it is a better idea to stay below radar, than to openly challenge. No matter the lawfulness of your position...

Does our SS impact Swede's?

My cousins in Norway, never bother to save any money. Why save they say all our needs are taken care of be the Norwegian Government. They vacation in Thailand, USA, wherever and never think twice about the cost.

[Jewboo]

...I made no vow of poverty and will make no such vow.

I was forced to into SS and so were most everyone else I know. There were no options and I only learned about this option after I retired.



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Please address Neuro's point that us geezers on Social Security not young men should first be put in any harm's way while taking on the evil government.

Makes logical sense from a Darwin and tribal perspective. Makes sense in any Lifeboat scenario. Who are we to incite risk upon the young while ourselves staying comfy in old age?

:)

[Bigjon]

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Please address Neuro's point that us geezers on Social Security not young men should first be put in any harm's way while taking on the evil government.

Makes logical sense from a Darwin and tribal perspective. Makes sense in any Lifeboat scenario. Who are we to incite risk upon the young while ourselves staying comfy in old age?

:)



I did address that. Point out a case where declaring to be an American State National causes trouble for young men?

Seems you think ignorance of the law is the best policy.

[Jewboo]

I did address that. Point out a case where declaring to be an American State National causes trouble for young men?

Seems you think ignorance of the law is the best policy.



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While clutching his precious Social Security check, geezer Bigjon straps a suicide vest on his 11-year-old grandson while mumbling about "ASN" and ignorance of some so-called law.

:rolleyes: you learned nothing in this thread...lol.





Well the reality is that if you don't insist that the LAW follows the law you have what you are claiming.

And you folks seem to want to lay down without even trying to fight.

You guys are a bunch of true cuckservatives.

[Bigjon]

You did learn something from this thread booky wants you to be ignorant of how "our" government works.

In fact the corporation called USA INC is not really a government, it just pretends to be one.

Our true government is to be a State National of our respective States.

Follow booky to ignorance is bliss land.

[Neuro]

I did address that. Point out a case where declaring to be an American State National causes trouble for young men?

Seems you think ignorance of the law is the best policy.

These guys did argue the law of the land...
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters

Many young children are fatherless because of it.

[Neuro]

You did learn something from this thread booky wants you to be ignorant of how "our" government works.

In fact the corporation called USA INC is not really a government, it just pretends to be one.

Our true government is to be a State National of our respective States.

Follow booky to ignorance is bliss land.
I think Book really understands what the government is capable of. Yes you have a point that what they are doing isn't what the constitution allows them. But, at this point. What difference does it make?

The constitution right now is La-la-land. Argue against the government and you'll end up like the fine young men in Makhuer preserve.

[Bigjon]

These guys did argue the law of the land...
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?86967-150-Militia-Take-Over-Makhuer-National-Wildlife-Preserve-Headquarters

Many young children are fatherless because of it.

And are still claiming to be US Citizens.

[monty]

And are still claiming to be US Citizens.


That is a point that confuses me. In spite of all their knowledge they don't seem to understand this one critical fact.

[Bigjon]

I think Book really understands what the government is capable of. Yes you have a point that what they are doing isn't what the constitution allows them. But, at this point. What difference does it make?

The constitution right now is La-la-land. Argue against the government and you'll end up like the fine young men in Makhuer preserve.

The point is the Federal Government is legal and has standing and if you declare to be a US Citizen you are subject to all their laws, including all their statutes. If you declare to be an American State National, you are only subject to the public law. They would still be in a world of hurt because the damn fools took over a facility that claims to be property of the USA, INC.
But if they knew more about the real structure of two governments one for Americans and one for British Subjects, they might have proceeded with more savy, instead as dumb cowboy's.

The land that Malhuer sits on was bought from a previous owner and in the past there was a court case that said the feds had to sell the land, but they ignored the State courts.

They still have no jurisdiction, but the law does not seem to matter to them, like you say.

How is it our SS affects you?

[Jewboo]

Well the reality is that if you don't insist that the LAW follows the law you have what you are claiming.

And you folks seem to want to lay down without even trying to fight.

You guys are a bunch of true cuckservatives.



The question remains: How are you fighting?


:rolleyes:

[Bigjon]

The question remains: How are you fighting?


:rolleyes:

I'm not fighting for ignorance like you are.

How much do they pay you and how many sock puppets do you run?

[Jewboo]

The point is the Federal Government is legal and has standing and if you declare to be a US Citizen you are subject to all their laws, including all their statutes. If you declare to be an American State National, you are only subject to the Statutes at Large.



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Bigjon fighting his evil government


Most importantly Bigjon declares to be a SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPITANT and has no problem cashing that Federal check every month.

[Jewboo]

I'm not fighting



Exactly. Bigmouth is just yacking through his Medicaid dentures.

:rolleyes:

[Bigjon]

Our professional forum slider needs to be reminded what this thread is about.



Judge Anna von Reitz: Come out of Babylon
Come Out of Babylon (https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/2016/09/13/come-out-of-babylon/)
Posted on September 13, 2016 (https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/2016/09/13/come-out-of-babylon/)by David Robinson (https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/author/drobin88/)
https://mainerepublicemailalert.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/anna.png?w=640 Judge Anna von Reitz

I have tried and tried and tried to get these points across: there aretwo governments in America, one British, one American. There are two populaces in America—- one of British Subjects, one ofAmerican State nationals.
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This is the way it is and it is the way it has always been. For all those who want proof in the founding documents go towww.freesovereignandindependent.com (http://www.freesovereignandindependent.com/) and look at what theDefinitive Treaty of Peace (1783) which ended the Revolutionary War reveals: two populations. One population known as “free, sovereign, and independent people of the United States” and the other known as “inhabitants”—- British Subjects left here to provide “essential government services.”
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Look at Article IV of the actual Constitution. There it is again, the provision of essential government services by federal employees.
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The original United States (Trading Company) which provided these nineteen enumerated services was bankrupted by Lincoln in 1863. That original company operated on the land and under the law of the land, but it was operated by British Subjects called “United States Citizens” even then.
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When the open hostilities of the War of Secession ended on the land jurisdiction, the filthy British Monarchs continued to wage war in the international jurisdiction of the sea against the “rebels” and they continued to use the fanciful excuse that there were still “rebels” to prosecute as a smoke screen to attack and prosecute and fleece and defraud average, law-abiding, peaceful Americans for the next 150 years.
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Most people would stare at you as if you were crazy if you suggested that the American Civil War is ongoing even now, but so it is and has been. We have been at constant “war” since 1863, because these British buggers and their sycophants acting as the “Congress” — a Board of Directors of the corporations they have fostered as successors to the original constitution’s commercial services contract— have never declared an official peace treaty ending the Civil War.
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You can look all day long for a month of Sundays for a Peace Treaty ending the Civil War and you will find that what I am telling you is true. The Civil War never officially ended and the British rats have used that as an excuse to attack and plunder innocent American civilians ever since.
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After Lincoln bankrupted the United States (Trading Company) the Brits and their supporters in this country spawned a new governmental services corporation called, “The United States of America, Inc.” which ran from 1868 to 1907 when it was purchased by a consortium of mostly European banks calling themselves the “Federal Reserve”.
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The Federal Reserve acquired “The United States of America, Inc.” and bankrupted it in turn, giving rise to the First World War. They changed the name slightly and booted up another version calling it “the United States of America, Inc.” and ran it into the ground and bankrupted it in 1933, causing the Second World War.
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During the Second World War and using it as an excuse, pleading the need to “harness” the vast resources of America and the American People “for the War Effort” the Brits and their Cronies in America —-all British Subjects, all “United States Citizens” or “citizens of the United States”, conspired to set up a system to enslave Americans and use our assets as collateral backing their debts.
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Here are a couple good examples of it.
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During the Second World War, patriotic Americans were urged to donate a portion of their earnings for the “War Effort”—- and millions upon millions dutifully signed up and paid the “Victory Tax”— a “voluntarily income tax” on their earnings. This tax was supposed to automatically sunset (cease) upon the end of hostilities, but the legislation creating it had no specific ending date.
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As a result, when the war ended in 1945, the tax system kept right on chugging and neither the British King nor his loyal Subjects running the UNITED STATES, INC. bothered to put an end date on the “Victory Tax” and release all those patriotic Americans from the obligation to keep on paying. Instead, they renamed it the “Federal Income Tax” and booted up the IRS to become the most ferocious private Bill Collection Agency on earth, which deliberately gave people the idea that the IRS was associated with our lawful government, instead of any “War Effort”, and used it to jail and fine and tax millions of Americans who never owed them a dime.
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Worse yet was the means devised to enforce all this rot, including the draft, which was all predicated on the totally false idea that all the Americans knowingly and willingly and voluntarily agreed to beBritish Subjects —- “United States Citizens” or “citizens of the United States”.
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They mischaracterized and deliberately, self-interestedly misidentified hundreds of millions of innocent Americans as British Subjects—- a crime of political genocide recognized by the Geneva Conventions as a death penalty war crime. They used various means of false registrations and disinformation to coerce the victims and especially the victim’s Mothers to provide false statements to the effect that all these Americans were “United States Citizens” or “citizens of the United States” instead of being what they are and always were: Americans known asAmerican State nationals—- Ohioans, Virginians, Californians, Texans, Wisconsinites, Mainers, and so on.
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It has been the biggest human trafficking crime in world history, resulting in the press ganging of hundreds of millions of Americans over the course of one hundred and fifty years. . . . It has been the biggest tax crime, the biggest racketeering and identity theft scheme, the biggest counterfeiting racket, the biggest credit fraud scheme, the biggest unlawful conversion theft, the biggest securities fraud, and the most tortuous copyright infringement ever conceived.
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And it was brought to you by the Lords of the Admiralty, the British Monarchs, and the “United States Citizens” responsible for running the “federal government”—- a corporation operated out of the District of Columbia for the purpose of providing the States of America with essential governmental services under commercial services contract.
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Now, some people, mainly British Subjects—foreign politicians masquerading as if they “represent” you, and Bar Attorneys up to their ears in it—-would like to present this circumstance as a political issue, but it isn’t a political issue. It’s a matter of crime practiced against their employers, benefactors, and allies for 150 years and it is finally coming to an end.
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Now that you have this firmly in mind I want to raise a flag of caution and promote a bit of understanding. All this harm to us has been allowed under The Constitution—-except for the semantic deceits and constructive frauds that have been used as a means to promote and prolong this circumstance. Under The Constitution, the “Congress” has been allowed to exist and to operate its affairs as plenary oligarchs operating the government of the District of Columbia however they see fit.
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It is a foreign corporate government with respect to us. And instead of operating it as it always should have been, the British Monarchs have instead acted in Breach of Trust and treaty and used it to wage war and practice crime and fraud against us and our lawful government. The British Government — operating a backdoor fraud scheme against us under the pretense of being our friends and Allies — has done us more harm than any enemy entering through the front door could ever do, and the members of “Congress” — misrepresenting themselves as our “representatives” and fiduciary agents — have done still more harm to millions of innocent, peaceful, trusting Americans who have fought their wars and paid their debts since 1863.
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What you are looking at is a mammoth international crime syndicate, fostered by international banks and European trading companies. The British Government started it and milked it all the way through the Second World War, but in 1944, the French Government had to get in on the act, too. The French Government chartered the IMF, and the IMF chartered the UNITED STATES, INC., yet another “assumed successor” to the commercial services contract to provide the nineteen enumerated services required by the original Constitution.
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Here is the Take Home Lesson for today: none of this, absolutely none of it, has anything to do with you or with your lawful government owed the land jurisdiction of the United States. The name of this country is “States of America” and our fifty nations on the land hold the land jurisdiction in trust for the people known variously as Californians and New Yorkers and North Dakotans and so on. The States of America are alive and well and bringing claim forward as the Priority Creditors of the foreign bankrupt corporations.
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Stand up and be counted as members of the free, sovereign, and independent people of the united States of America, living people not corporations, American State nationals, not “United States Citizens” and not “citizens of the United States”. Send yourActs of Expatriation to the State Secretary of State and the Attorney General making it clear that you do not voluntarily assume any such foreign political status and that you have beenmischaracterized and defrauded.

I tried to put this at the bottom of these posts, but the ******* editor is worse than useless.

So next best thing is a direct link:Extremely Dangerous Info
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[Bigjon]

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[Neuro]

The point is the Federal Government is legal and has standing and if you declare to be a US Citizen you are subject to all their laws, including all their statutes. If you declare to be an American State National, you are only subject to the Statutes at Large. They would still be in a world of hurt because the damn fools took over a facility that claims to be property of the USA, INC.
But if they knew more about the real structure of two governments one for Americans and one for British Subjects, they might have proceeded with more savy, instead as dumb cowboy's.

The land that Malhuer sits on was bought from a previous owner and in the past there was a court case that said the feds had to sell the land, but they ignored the State courts.

They still have no jurisdiction, but the law does not seem to matter to them, like you say.

How is it our SS affects you?

Your SS doesn't affect me one iota. We have a similar system in Sweden though, so we could still discuss the idea of it, yes?

You don't think that your stance arguing that young people should take the step in combatting the state, which is fraudulent I agree, putting them and their families lives in danger, while you live comfortably on social security, which you are not willing to give up to become a state national, is a tad hypocritical?

The people jailed after Malhuer preserve, do you seriously believe their outcome would have been any better if they had argued they were state nationals instead of United States citizens, and the court they are at has no legitimacy or jurisdiction over them? It's like Saddam Hussein or Herman Göring arguing that the court they attended had no legal right to judge them. It didn't work out. It never works out. Show me one single case, beyond a traffic ticket, where it actually worked out. The Bundy's etc realize they are at the mercy of the system, and they realize at this point that they probably get out sooner if they co-operate within the framework of systematic lawlessness. They want to see their families again! Can you blame them?

They went to Malhuer to make a stand against an abusive government, they got a lot of armchair support, but people like to keep their SS payments coming. The time for action is not here yet. Government will collapse under its corruption, they always do, but until that day they will prosecute, jail or kill anyone who threaten their monopoly!

[monty]

The Bundy's etc realize they are at the mercy of the system, and they realize at this point that they probably get out sooner if they co-operate within the framework of systematic lawlessness. They want to see their familes again

This is not entirely relevant to the OP but I want to interject my thoughts here:
The Bundy's have taken the stand because they want to continue their way of life, ranching, without government interference. They have chosen a jury trial instead of taking plea bargains because they are right and they know that they are right. They also know the court and government agencies are corrupt and that the jury is stacked against them.

I believe this biased judge with her hand picked jury may convict these men and women who dared to stand up for their rights.

I also am optimistic the most liberal appeals court in the land, The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals will overturn the case on appeal for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. I say this because they have a track record of more than 75 years upholding this position on property rights and jurisdiction on public land.

A youtube poster, Mrs B Stacy has spent a great deal of time researching this. These two videos explain my optimism. They are both quite long more than 1 hour.


http://youtu.be/7Hk9Hl9M9Ug

https://youtu.be/7Hk9Hl9M9Ug



http://youtu.be/QIU56co9B5I

https://youtu.be/QIU56co9B5I

[Jewboo]

This is not entirely relevant to the OP but I want to interject my thoughts here:
The Bundy's have taken the stand because they want to continue their way of life, ranching, without government interference. They have chosen a jury trial instead of taking plea bargains because they are right and they know that they are right. They also know the court and government agencies are corrupt and that the jury is stacked against them.



Is it fair to say that their original "Armed Resistance" posing with guns was from the gitgo just a bluff? Nobody shot one single bullet towards the evil Feds.

They will never dig themselves out of this Legalese hole now.


:(?? Americans don't even notice or care that they will rot in jail

[monty]

Is it fair to say that their original "Armed Resistance" posing with guns was from the gitgo just a bluff? Nobody shot one single bullet towards the evil Feds.

They will never dig themselves out of this Legalese hole now.


:(?? Americans don't even notice or care that they will rot in jail



I don't think it was a bluff. I think they expected a lot more support from the Oathkeepers. I also think they were setup by infiltrators in their midst.

The Otley case and several acts of Congress and the Deed submitted by the prosecution support Ammon Bundy's actions argument.

The Ninth Circuit has been consistent with its rulings. Only time will tell.

[monty]

I don't think it was a bluff. I think they expected a lot more support from the Oathkeepers. I also think they were setup by infiltrators in their midst.

The Otley case and several acts of Congress and the Deed submitted by the prosecution support Ammon Bundy's actions argument.

The Ninth Circuit has been consistent with its rulings. Only time will tell.

As Bigjon pointed out, to their detrimnet they are proceeding as UNITED STATES Citizens.

This man posted an account of Mrs. B Stacy's video


Summer Izard

Yesterday at 9:44am (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1717765141769695/permalink/1801288563417352/)

Oregon/Bundy Case-Proof that they are INNOCENT

I briefly skimmed this video yesterday, but I’ve now written up a summary of what is in this video b/c it is PIVOTAL! This could be one of THE most important court challenge of our lifetime. This has the potential to right the ship of federal overreach in a peaceful manner. Ammon’s deserves a lot more credibility / support than he has received from a lot of these so-called sunshine patriot / citizens. Turns out the Malheur Refuge may have been THE perfect strategic location to refute the government overreach!

Ammon is challenging the court on subject matter jurisdiction. It can’t be assumed that feds automatically have jurisdiction. They would have to prove it. This is a constitutional case dealing with land rights and the role of federal government and what the role of state is. Where does federal government have the authority – turns out they dont.

Act 1935 says the states will be reverted back to or will retain civil and criminal jurisdiction of lands – not the federal government. What Ammon said the entire time was correct. The feds may own the land, but they don’t have jurisdiction b/c the land was bought from this 1935 Act and Nov 1940. Oregon law controls this land period.
The court cannot just dismiss Ammons claims of adverse claim of land and that is what the courts did to him. There was a process that the government should have gone through first – the government did not do that. Then to add insult to injury Federal officials then came in and took a lead on the Oregon police operations – Ammon and Lavoy were ambushed, Lavoy killed -- then they lied and said they did not shoot during the ambush which we know they did from video footage. They never had jurisdiction there at all. Ammon has a civil right to challenge the claim that the federal government owns the land or has rights to manage the land. What Ammon did by seeking redress was a right invited by congress to challenge the federal government. A duty we as citizens are required to do when over reach such as this occurs.

The court now should never have proceeded with indictments, they first have to stop and address the constitutional issues. We as citizens has a right to an adverse possession claim on land. We all have a right to challenge it and always have. On September 12th, 2016 the 9th Circuit Court just reaffirmed this stance a few days ago in case #15-10117. Ammon filed his Motion to Dismiss without Prejudice based off this case #15-10117.

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/…/opin…/2016/08/16/15-10117.pdf (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ca9.uscourts.gov%2Fdatas tore%2Fopinions%2F2016%2F08%2F16%2F15-10117.pdf&h=FAQGK5H86AQGmPgve0lMD5trR_2hSySOT5OfPjiBv2vxklw&enc=AZPyMs3rKFR2AoHyHRccStBEZkKaiGMYIwXLx-CzF6YBicsQwhMWSQ6AXlgcGK5JLFbABSL7fkfwhr2PeRoHX34b ASeA_0CAMoHcKoblRGK4mImw0qMiYFvcGaXHeiyFMfxpDSkcPq BzxH1sCu3MeIVNDGiLiiALBSPBIZlJsd4BXA&s=1)

Case #15-10117 9th Circuit. This case reaffirms that the feds have no jurisdiction over state lands where state law conflicts with federal laws. Example made in this case is regarding feds indicting marijuana growers in states where marijuana is now legal as long as it abides by state regulations. Federal 9th said there has to be a hearing before feds can prosecute. The hearing is to make sure businesses are in compliance with state regulations. If they are in compliance then federal government has no jurisdiction, if they are not then feds can pursue indictments. Without this important step citizens’ rights to due process is being violated. All of these issues have to be addressed before court proceedings on indictments can move forward. The 9th also upheld defendants right to challenge prior to trial criminal prosecution on separation of powers and federalism principles included my injunction when exec branch is acting in direct violation of express and clear restriction passed by congressional legislation.

Gov claimed entire refuge was public domain (owned by government), court denied Ammons first and second motion b/c they claimed its always been federal governments land, which isn’t true it was purchased from private citizen. The court denied that it was undisputed that federal government owned land and therefore they had sole discretion to regulate it and has jurisdiction over this court case. The Government didn’t always hold title to this land and their assertion is blatantly false.

1935 Act written by Congress explicitly states that land government bought from states would be maintained by the states for civil and criminal jurisdiction. First this contradicts the governments declaration that this land was established by Roosevelt in 1908 in their trial brief made in June which was a blatant lie. This land was never part of a 1908 set aside discussion in the state of Oregon.

If lands were actually owned by fed and states has seceded jurisdiction over them, then feds have all rights, but opposite happened. Money used to purchase was appropriated under relief act of 1935, feds have to cedes back to the states jurisdiction of civil and criminal lands b/c of this 1935 Act. If they don’t have jurisdiction then why are federal employees on this land and why did they head up police operations. Feds are finally admitting they are in error and they knew it all along. As well as Obama knew they did not have jurisdiction over this Oregon State operation stated in link below. Higher ups all along knew this. Ammon proves he knew it b/c he continued to try and speak to media and sheriffs about why federal agents are there at all and sheriff ignored him. The Sheriff is supposed to be our last constitutional protections. I truly hope this Sheriff is held accountable.
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Citizens and so called patriots saying they don’t agree with what Ammon was doing and calling it a honey pot, these people were ignorant to the history of this wildlife refuge. Ammon was not ignorant. This is truly a great lesson for the people who were unsupportive of these many citizen [protesters who finally took a stand to stand up against overreach. Not to exclude Pete Santilli who most ran into the ground as well. How anybody finds fault in Pete’s message of standing on the principle of the constitution is beyond me. Most these people need to learn the hard lesson that you need to stay focused on the principle of the message and stop focusing on the personality that you may not like. Just b/c you don’t like a personality doesn’t make their message invalid.
Sometimes we need to re-read things over and over again bc your brain still wants to reject this information since it is contrary to your belief system. Perhaps you should first work at questioning your beliefs rather then the information given to you. We are our biggest obstacle when it comes to research. Blind trust is no longer an excuse we are responsible for doing our own due diligence. Consider all other side of an argument. And most importantly please STOP allowing citizens to divide with their paranoia and secret society conspiracy claims. We need to unify.

Now let’s just pray that the citizens can learn to pull together in the future and stop this constant discontent and unnecessary provocations that do nothing but divide all of us. Let’s also pray that our justice system will finally be accountable and that all these honorable protesters are released as well as the Hammonds.

Oregon/Bundy Case Video 1hr 38 min:
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[Bigjon]

Your SS doesn't affect me one iota. We have a similar system in Sweden though, so we could still discuss the idea of it, yes?

You don't think that your stance arguing that young people should take the step in combatting the state, which is fraudulent I agree, putting them and their families lives in danger, while you live comfortably on social security, which you are not willing to give up to become a state national, is a tad hypocritical?

The people jailed after Malhuer preserve, do you seriously believe their outcome would have been any better if they had argued they were state nationals instead of United States citizens, and the court they are at has no legitimacy or jurisdiction over them? It's like Saddam Hussein or Herman Göring arguing that the court they attended had no legal right to judge them. It didn't work out. It never works out. Show me one single case, beyond a traffic ticket, where it actually worked out. The Bundy's etc realize they are at the mercy of the system, and they realize at this point that they probably get out sooner if they co-operate within the framework of systematic lawlessness. They want to see their families again! Can you blame them?

They went to Malhuer to make a stand against an abusive government, they got a lot of armchair support, but people like to keep their SS payments coming. The time for action is not here yet. Government will collapse under its corruption, they always do, but until that day they will prosecute, jail or kill anyone who threaten their monopoly!

I have never said young people should do this.

What I have said is that if I (that is me, not some one else) were a young man I would have long ago jumped to take up State National Status.

Most of this stuff I was totally unaware of just a few years ago. Not sure of the time table as this has been a learning experience that occurs in little pieces.

I still think this is the best way to go. And I think the time is now when we still have a country and an organization of States united, not a rabble in chaos.

The idea Anna presents is to form your individual societies and jural assemblies and bring back common law which is our law. Let the Fed's do what they do and avoid contact with them.

I think the ranchers have provocateurs that are embedded and informing on their every move and directing them in all the wrong directions. Like I said, it is pretty suspicious that Malheur was just sitting there all empty and waiting.

When I first heard what they had done, I got a big sinking feeling like this is the wrong way to go and will help the Feds set another bad precedent that will make positive changes much harder to make.

Anna says that it would help their case if they were State Nationals, but I don't understand how.

[Neuro]

I have never said young people should do this.

What I have said is that if I (that is me, not some one else) were a young man I would have long ago jumped to take up State National Status.

Most of this stuff I was totally unaware of just a few years ago. Not sure of the time table as this has been a learning experience that occurs in little pieces.

I still think this is the best way to go. And I think the time is now when we still have a country and an organization of States united, not a rabble in chaos.

The idea Anna presents is to form your individual societies and jural assemblies and bring back common law which is our law. Let the Fed's do what they do and avoid contact with them.

I think the ranchers have provocateurs that are embedded and informing on their every move and directing them in all the wrong directions. Like I said, it is pretty suspicious that Malheur was just sitting there all empty and waiting.

When I first heard what they had done, I got a big sinking feeling like this is the wrong way to go and will help the Feds set another bad precedent that will make positive changes much harder to make.

Anna says that it would help their case if they were State Nationals, but I don't understand how.

The law is supposedly blind to where you come from, as it judges you. I shouldn't get much different punishment if say I, a Swede, murder someone in the US vs a US citizen, at least not in theory. One difference maybe if I for instance trespass a military area, then as a Swede I'll probably be considered a spy.

[Bigjon]

The law is supposedly blind to where you come from, as it judges you. I shouldn't get much different punishment if say I, a Swede, murder someone in the US vs a US citizen, at least not in theory. One difference maybe if I for instance trespass a military area, then as a Swede I'll probably be considered a spy.

One major difference between a US Citizen and a State National is the US Citizen unknowingly volunteers to be a corporate fiction, while a State National has standing as a man.

The US Court system is mostly private law owned by the BAR called equity law and only deals with other corporations. It can't hear a man speak in it's courts, that is why you have to be represented by a lieyer. Everything in our corporate courts is commercial, even murder has a frn value assigned to it.

If you go into their court system as a State National as a man, I don't know how they would deal with that.

Like Anna says we as State Nationals are the priority creditor and the US Government is here to provide service to us. At least that is what the constitution is about, spelling out our contract with them.