Why Cops Don't Let Suspects Return to Their Vehicles

[Hitch]

The Murder of Kyle Dinkheller.

This is a very good article to understand cops and their tactics conducting vehicle cops. It also shows the danger cops face, being vehicle stops being one of the most hazardous situations they encounter.

The video, well a warning, it's tough to watch and quite chilling.

This particular video is shown in police academies and officer training. The video is shown at the link.

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/20/cops-dont-let-suspects-return-vehicles-murder-kyle-dinkheller/

[midnight rambler]

Which begs the question - WHY do more and more people have such utter contempt for the cannon fodder* of the money changers and their illusory phantasm foisted upon the people? Could it be that many more are catching onto the act?

*aka security guards for the corporate state aka cops

[Joshua01]

If you refuse to follow lawful commands just because you don’t feel like it and put officers in a situation where they have a reason to believe that you are reaching for a weapon or otherwise constituting a deadly force threat, you run the risk of being shot as Terence Crutcher was. Officers cannot determine if a suspect is armed or not until after the fact, and are authorized to use deadly force based on your actions, not on necessarily seeing a weapon.

That's real life my friends. You can be right as rain but you'll still end up dead as shit!

[Jewboo]

*aka security guards for the corporate state aka cops



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Midnight Rambler got caught shoplifting when he was twelve and ever since HATES those who must enforce the common-sense "rules" of any civil society.

:rolleyes:

[midnight rambler]

So I watched that video and I note that the deputy hesitated when his assailant presented the M1 carbine.* Video doesn't show the deputy of course but deputy should have drawn down on him the moment his assailant got hinky on him. Had the deputy had a bead on his assailant the very moment his assailant presented the M1 carbine POP one to the melon.

*deputy dawg had no idea he was up against a combat vet who had plenty of experience killing gooks for Uncle Satan - yet another example of "never go around FUCKING with people 'cause you NEVER KNOW *who* you're FUCKING with"

[midnight rambler]

http://image.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/tv_blog/photo/griffithjpg-b93c5082ed3c38e1.jpg

Midnight Rambler got caught shoplifting when he was twelve and ever since HATES those who must enforce the common-sense "rules" of any civil society.

:rolleyes:

You're a genuine fuckwad book, you have NO idea of my background. As I've mentioned before I bet dollars to donuts that I've spent more time riding around in a patrol car on ridealongs than Pete has spent in his entire career wearing a badge as security guard for the corporate state.

[Jewboo]

I've spent more time riding around in a patrol car on ridealongs than Pete has spent in his entire career wearing a badge as security guard for the corporate state.



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http://www.towleroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2_cop.jpg

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

The Murder of Kyle Dinkheller.

This is a very good article to understand cops and their tactics conducting vehicle cops. It also shows the danger cops face, being vehicle stops being one of the most hazardous situations they encounter.

The video, well a warning, it's tough to watch and quite chilling.

This particular video is shown in police academies and officer training. The video is shown at the link.

http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/20/cops-dont-let-suspects-return-vehicles-murder-kyle-dinkheller/
I don't agree with it, but the fact that the Tulsa Police officer, had seen this video as part of her training, could be seen as enough reason to dismiss her case. She was trained to shoot in situations like these. And the situation was exactly the same. A non responsive, crazy acting man. This police officer gave the felon a benefit of the doubt, too long and he ended up dead. Does anyone really think that what happened, wouldn't have happened if he had told Brannan, the magic words, you are under arrest? He didn't say it, would he be justified in shooting this crazy acting man, even though he didn't say you are under arrest? Before he started shooting at him? Before seeing him having a rifle in his hand?

Actually I do agree with it, I change my mind. The defense that she had been trained in this type of scenario, which showed what crazy is capable of if not stopped gives her the right to shoot at someone who is acting similarly crazy... Even if she hadn't been trained in it.

[Ares]

I don't agree with it, but the fact that the Tulsa Police officer, had seen this video as part of her training, could be seen as enough reason to dismiss her case. She was trained to shoot in situations like these. And the situation was exactly the same. A non responsive, crazy acting man. This police officer gave the felon a benefit of the doubt, too long and he ended up dead. Does anyone really think that what happened, wouldn't have happened if he had told Brannan, the magic words, you are under arrest? He didn't say it, would he be justified in shooting this crazy acting man, even though he didn't say you are under arrest? Before he started shooting at him? Before seeing him having a rifle in his hand?

Actually I do agree with it, I change my mind. The defense that she had been trained in this type of scenario, which showed what crazy is capable of if not stopped gives her the right to shoot at someone who is acting similarly crazy... Even if she hadn't been trained in it.

That's still not a defense. That gives a cop a blank check to kill anyone even those with mental disorders. Given the abuse by the pharmaceutical companies and how many kids were brain damaged during the late 90s early 2000s up until now. That's basically training cops if someone acts out of the ordinary you can execute them.

[midnight rambler]

That's the best you can manage to do, right Book?

Queer minds think queer thoughts. You must be quite a queer to go out of your way looking to find such images. However who knows, you may scour the web for such images and save them for your perusal/arousal later.


http://mensunderwearworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Andrew-Christian-Police-Car-Wash-002.jpg

http://www.towleroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2_cop.jpg

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

That's still not a defense. That gives a cop a blank check to kill anyone even those with mental disorders. Given the abuse by the pharmaceutical companies and how many kids were brain damaged during the late 90s early 2000s up until now. That's basically training cops if someone acts out of the ordinary you can execute them.

Would you change your mind if it was proven, via the lab report, if the black Orc, was on PCP, when he was shot? Would you trust the lab report in this day and age, if it showed he wasn't? His family has already admitted that he was a user...

When is it reasonable for a cop to defend his/her life? Obviously the police officer in the OP video waited too long. Do you agree with that? To give the benefit of doubt?

[Ares]

Would you change your mind if it was proven, via the lab report, if the black Orc, was on PCP, when he was shot? Would you trust the lab report in this day and age, if it showed he wasn't? His family has already admitted that he was a user...

When is it reasonable for a cop to defend his/her life? Obviously the police officer in the OP video waited too long. Do you agree with that? To give the benefit of doubt?

Wouldn't change my mind as we still do not know the context of the circumstances that lead up to him being shot. Ignoring / not listening to a cop is not illegal unless you're under arrest or suspected of a crime. The data we have just shows him ignoring cops, is contempt of cop now illegal punishable by death?

For it to be justified to me he should of presented a clear a present danger to police and others. All I saw was the cops shoot am unarmed man. Whether he was a nigger or not doesn't make a bit of difference to the men in the blue costumes.

[Neuro]

Wouldn't change my mind as we still do not know the context of the circumstances that lead up to him being shot. Ignoring / not listening to a cop is not illegal unless you're under arrest or suspected of a crime. The data we have just shows him ignoring cops, is contempt of cop now illegal punishable by death?

For it to be justified to me he should of presented a clear a present danger to police and others. All I saw was the cops shoot am unarmed man. Whether he was a nigger or not doesn't make a bit of difference to the men in the blue costumes.He was out crazy walking in the middle of the road, he had parked the car in the middle of the road blocking traffic with the engine running. He never responded rationally to anything she said. How would you have responded if you were in her shoes as it appeared from her viewpoint he was reaching into his car window?

[Jewboo]

That's still not a defense. That gives a cop a blank check to kill anyone even those with mental disorders. Given the abuse by the pharmaceutical companies and how many kids were brain damaged during the late 90s early 2000s up until now. That's basically training cops if someone acts out of the ordinary you can execute them.



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There should be a BOUNTY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_(reward)) on the mentally disordered.

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

That's still not a defense. That gives a cop a blank check to kill anyone even those with mental disorders. Given the abuse by the pharmaceutical companies and how many kids were brain damaged during the late 90s early 2000s up until now. That's basically training cops if someone acts out of the ordinary you can execute them.

People with mental disorders are more likely to shoot at cops. Do you think you are entitled to defend your life from someone who objectively is the victim of the pharmaceutical industry?

[Ares]

He was out crazy walking in the middle of the road, he had parked the car in the middle of the road blocking traffic with the engine running. He never responded rationally to anything she said. How would you have responded if you were in her shoes as it appeared from her viewpoint he was reaching into his car window?

It's hard to say as I've never been in a situation where I would have to subdue someone.. I honestly do not know how I would of responded in her shoes. I'd like to think I wouldn't of fired until I saw an actual weapon. With weapon drawn, finger on the trigger it's really just down to milliseconds to pull the trigger at that point. Even on PCP he wouldn't be that fast to draw even if he had a weapon.

[Ares]

People with mental disorders are more likely to shoot at cops. Do you think you are entitled to defend your life from someone who objectively is the victim of the pharmaceutical industry?

If my life or my families life is actively being threatened yes. If he's just ignoring me and walking away how is the mentally defective a threat?

[Neuro]

It's hard to say as I've never been in a situation where I would have to subdue someone.. I honestly do not know how I would of responded in her shoes. I'd like to think I wouldn't of fired until I saw an actual weapon. With weapon drawn, finger on the trigger it's really just down to milliseconds to pull the trigger at that point. Even on PCP he wouldn't be that fast to draw even if he had a weapon.

I don't know if it is true, but I have heard that people on PCP may not fall directly after taking a lethal shot, they may continue to function seconds after a lethal shot, because the drug keeps them going, desensitizing them to the pain. Would this knowledge change your calculation on when to use lethal force on someone you suspect to be on angeldust?

[Hitch]

I don't know if it is true, but I have heard that people on PCP may not fall directly after taking a lethal shot, they may continue to function seconds after a lethal shot, because the drug keeps them going, desensitizing them to the pain. Would this knowledge change your calculation on when to use lethal force on someone you suspect to be on angeldust?

Very true, one cop I talked to shot a guy 8 times center mass to stop him. He was on PCP, had a knife, and attacked the cop. People on PCP are extremely volatile, violent, and a public threat.

[Hitch]

I don't agree with it, but the fact that the Tulsa Police officer, had seen this video as part of her training, could be seen as enough reason to dismiss her case. She was trained to shoot in situations like these. And the situation was exactly the same.

Well said, Neuro...your whole post, but wanted to quote this part because that video is part of the training. Also, hindsight, the guy in the video waited to long...and perhaps the Tulsa police officer was too soon. But, if she waited too...and the guy pulled a gun, she could be the one killed. Like you said, the situation was exactly the same.

There's no right answer in each of these situations, it sucks to be in them, it's what I call a lose-lose situation.

[Hitch]

As I've mentioned before I bet dollars to donuts that I've spent more time riding around in a patrol car on ridealongs than Pete has spent in his entire career wearing a badge as security guard for the corporate state.

Well, I wouldn't say I had a career, but I'd take you up on that bet. 1 year on my old dept is said to have more experience than a 25 year career with most city depts. One of the most dangerous cities in America, and I was 3rd watch in the shittiest beat of that city. You name the crime, and I've seen it first hand and wrote the report.

[crimethink]

Which begs the question - WHY do more and more people have such utter contempt for the cannon fodder* of the money changers and their illusory phantasm foisted upon the people? Could it be that many more are catching onto the act?

*aka security guards for the corporate state aka cops

Because "empowered" thugs and con men such as yourself recognize the "blood in the water" of the collapse of civil society, and are taking advantage of the opportunity. "Fuck the Police!" (so I can run my illicit schemes with impunity).

[crimethink]

As I've mentioned before I bet dollars to donuts that I've spent more time riding around in a patrol car on ridealongs than Pete has spent in his entire career wearing a badge as security guard for the corporate state.

Ridealongs...in the back seat.

Hence, the hate for "the pigs."

[crimethink]

That gives a cop a blank check to kill anyone even those with mental disorders. Given the abuse by the pharmaceutical companies and how many kids were brain damaged during the late 90s early 2000s up until now. That's basically training cops if someone acts out of the ordinary you can execute them.

I've served dozens of folks with Down's Syndrome. Not one of them was so clueless as to not recognize a policeman, and know what to do if stopped by a cop. These people are legally retarded.

If someone is so fucked up upstairs that they don't know how to treat a cop as they wish to be treated, then they should be put in a loony bin.

[crimethink]

I don't know if it is true, but I have heard that people on PCP may not fall directly after taking a lethal shot, they may continue to function seconds after a lethal shot, because the drug keeps them going, desensitizing them to the pain. Would this knowledge change your calculation on when to use lethal force on someone you suspect to be on angeldust?

The Mooslim turd that was euthanized in the St. Cloud mall last week had to be shot multiple times...he got up three times! And he wasn't on PCP.

The CHP officers who had stopped the infamous Rodney King had their pistols drawn and were ready to shoot, since they presumed he was on PCP due to his actions. The LAPD showed up, took over the situation, and the rest is history. Had the CHP done what they should have, there would have been no "trial" and no riots.

[ximmy]

You're a genuine fuckwad book, you have NO idea of my background. As I've mentioned before I bet dollars to donuts that I've spent more time riding around in a patrol car on ridealongs than Pete has spent in his entire career wearing a badge as security guard for the corporate state.


Were you a snitch?

A rat motherpluker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGym1iVaWoY

[midnight rambler]

Ridealongs...in the back seat.

Hence, the hate for "the pigs."

Yeah, I did get to ride in the back seat sometimes 'cause when I was doing ridealongs decades ago there were no cages in the back seats and the protocol was to place the prisoner in the front passenger seat, belted in, therefore I had to move to the back seat. And guess what - I ALWAYS had the keys to both the cruiser and the shotgun rack and it was my assignment to lock and unlock the shotgun when whenever we got in and out of the cruiser (and the buddies I rode with always expected to carry extra shotgun rounds on me hidden in my pockets JIC). The cops I rode with fully expected me to cover their six.

[Jewboo]

https://www-static.bouldercolorado.gov/docs/banners/1373387855_Jess_in_PD_car.jpg

As I've mentioned before I bet dollars to donuts that I've spent more time riding around in a patrol car on ridealongs than Pete has spent in his entire career wearing a badge as security guard for the corporate state.



:) Hitch must be jealous

[midnight rambler]

:) Hitch must be jealous

Yeah, something both you and Pete can relate to since you're both special needs and noticeably slow.

[Jewboo]

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Yeah, I did get to ride in the back seat sometimes 'cause when I was doing ridealongs decades ago there were no cages in the back seats and the protocol was to place the prisoner in the front passenger seat, belted in, therefore I had to move to the back seat. And guess what - whenever we got in and out of the cruiser - The cops I rode with fully expected me to cover their six.



:rolleyes: cover their six with what?

[midnight rambler]

:rolleyes: cover their six with what?

The shotgun. I realize you're kinda slow, I suppose I should have connected the dots for you. Poor Book.

[Jewboo]

Yeah, I did get to ride in the back seat sometimes 'cause when I was doing ridealongs decades ago there were no cages in the back seats and the protocol was to place the prisoner in the front passenger seat, belted in, therefore I had to move to the back seat. And guess what - whenever we got in and out of the cruiser - The cops I rode with fully expected me to cover their six.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e7a7060887eb11b873e8d482262a536d/tumblr_o61jilMkIA1v91q51o4_500.gif

I realize you're kinda slow, I suppose I should have connected the dots for you. Poor Book.



Oh. I get it now. Slow me. You were very popular and not there just for the free donuts. Explains why you post so many pro-police threads at GSUS now...

:D

[midnight rambler]

Oh. I get it now. Slow me. You were very popular and not there just for the free donuts. Explains why you post so many pro-police threads at GSUS now...

:D


"A man is responsible for the thoughts he chooses to entertain." --Dr. Richard Alan Miller

You really do like dwelling on those faggot thoughts don't you Book? I never thought you were a faggot but now you have me convinced that your predominate thoughts involve homosexual activities.

[Jewboo]

"A man is responsible for the thoughts he chooses to entertain." --Dr. Richard Alan Miller

You really do like dwelling on those faggot thoughts...


"I love 7th Trump" --Midnight Rambler

"Stop stalking me around GSUS you faggot!" --7th Trump



:rolleyes:

[midnight rambler]

:rolleyes:


What you're apparently not getting is that I set that and forgot it. I really don't care, I definitely don't dwell on it, yet YOU go out of your way to post faggot themed shit in many of your posts.

[Hitch]

Yeah, something both you and Pete can relate to since you're both special needs and noticeably slow.

You've ran out of arguments in this thread, and you are just rambling on about nothing. Hell, it ain't even midnight yet.

I'm really surprised that with all those ridealongs, you still haven't managed to learn anything about reality, real life.

[Hitch]

So I watched that video and I note that the deputy hesitated when his assailant presented the M1 carbine.* Video doesn't show the deputy of course but deputy should have drawn down on him the moment his assailant got hinky on him. Had the deputy had a bead on his assailant the very moment his assailant presented the M1 carbine POP one to the melon.

Too far for a reliable pop to the melon with a pistol. That's why they train cops 2 shots center mass, one to the head..and that's at 5 yards. That guy was 15+ yards from the cop.

My take. As soon as he realized the suspect was loading a rifle, he even said "drop the gun" giving the suspect the chance...I wouldn't have given him that chance. As soon as I saw him loading a rifle, I would have sent every bullet in the mag of my pistol his way. Just unload on him. 940B.

[Jewboo]

you've ran out of arguments in this thread, and you are just rambling on about nothing. Hell, it ain't even midnight yet.

I'm really surprised that with all those ridealongs, you still haven't managed to learn anything about reality, real life.

lol

[StreetsOfGold]

There should be a BOUNTY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_(reward)) on the mentally disordered.:rolleyes:

There is!

8499

[ximmy]

LOL... just watched the viddy.. cop deserved to die... what a loser.

Fights then when he is losing he screams like a... well a girl.

[Jewboo]

Fights then when he is losing he screams like a... well a girl.

Just screaming no shooting.

Should have shot him during the first menacing advance.

:(??

[crimethink]

Yeah, I did get to ride in the back seat sometimes 'cause when I was doing ridealongs decades ago there were no cages in the back seats and the protocol was to place the prisoner in the front passenger seat, belted in, therefore I had to move to the back seat. And guess what - I ALWAYS had the keys to both the cruiser and the shotgun rack and it was my assignment to lock and unlock the shotgun when whenever we got in and out of the cruiser (and the buddies I rode with always expected to carry extra shotgun rounds on me hidden in my pockets JIC). The cops I rode with fully expected me to cover their six.

Everyone reading this understands your statements are utter bullshit.

[crimethink]

:rolleyes: cover their six with what?

Bare hands...he's a Navy SEAL.

[midnight rambler]

Bare hands...he's a Navy SEAL.

You are so wrong...AGAIN!

Jedi Knights don't need to use their bare hands. lol

Fred, I find your lack of faith disturbing...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYklUs9n1pE

[crimethink]

You are so wrong...AGAIN!

Jedi Knights don't need to use their bare hands.

Wow, his delusions are far worse than I thought...