Hospital Price Ripoff - CT Scans

[Jewboo]

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(http://http://www.ktvb.com/news/investigations/7-investigates/7-investigates-whats-behind-your-medical-bill/347324207)http://www.ktvb.com/news/investigations/7-investigates/7-investigates-whats-behind-your-medical-bill/347324207

:rolleyes: regularly charge $3700 for a $700 procedure

[Shami-Amourae]

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Your link is broken, Jewboo:
www.ktvb.com/news/investigations/7-investigates/7-investigates-whats-behind-your-medical-bill/347324207

[palani]

Matamoros Mexico the CT scans were 99.99 $ several years ago. Prices might have gone up. They gave you a CD of the scan to take to a physician of your choice.

[Joshua01]

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Your link is broken, Jewboo:
www.ktvb.com/news/investigations/7-investigates/7-investigates-whats-behind-your-medical-bill/347324207 (http://www.ktvb.com/news/investigations/7-investigates/7-investigates-whats-behind-your-medical-bill/347324207)
....and still no cure for cancer. We must keep donating though....we're almost there; all we need is mo money!

[Neuro]

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http://www.ktvb.com/news/investigations/7-investigates/7-investigates-whats-behind-your-medical-bill/347324207 (http://http://www.ktvb.com/news/investigations/7-investigates/7-investigates-whats-behind-your-medical-bill/347324207)

:rolleyes: regularly charge $3700 for a $700 procedure

It shouldn't cost $700 either. More like $100-200. A radiologist should be able to analyse and write a report on at least 40 CT-scans a day 20 days a month=800/month x$12/CT scan= $9,600 salary after social security tax insurance $7,000/month. Some may argue the Radiologist should earn more than $84,000 a year. I disagree, sure it requires some analytical skill, but as a radiologist you don't deal with people directly, which means the job is fairly stress free and cushy. Sure a few can earn more than $7,000 a month, but that is only because they read more films either working longer hours or working more efficiently or both. Or they have distinguished themselves analytically. Then you need a radiology nurse, to handle the CT scanner He or She'll do about 30 scans in an 8-hour shift=600 images/month x $8/image=$4,800/month which translates to a salary of $4000/ month or $48,000 annually.
So running cost salary for one CT scan should be around $20/scan. Let's assume you have three CT-machines, running 16 hours/day in 2 shifts. =180 scans/day (For that you need 6 radiology nurses and 4.5 Radiologist MDs). Let's assume these machines with computers and software cost $1,000,000 each (they should probably cost less though). You have an investment of $3,000,000 which you write off in 5 years, equals $600,000/year. At 36,000 scans/year that overhead equals $16.67/scan. Then you pay $3000/month in rent for the location=$36,000/year or a dollar/scan. The receptionist booking and charging patients cost another $36,000/year or a dollar a scan. A radiologist is the radiology clinic's boss and expert radiologist, but is only asked about the tricky films, earns $144,000/year or $4/film. Then add another $108,000 for maintenance of machines and office supplies= $3/scan. Anyway you look at it you can run this operation at $50/scan, add a 20% profit for the investor, and a 20% bonus for the employees (in free time/holiday, or Christmas bonus). You are still looking at less than $75 a scan, if you can run a smooth operation like the one I outlined here, and everyone earns a descent salary, and investors are payed off well too (will get back the whole investment in approximately three years, assuming no bank loans were taken out). Machines will probably last at least 10 years with proper maintenance!

Charging $700 would be criminal. $3,700 should carry a death penalty.

The thing is that the majority of imaging in the hospital system is clinically unnecessary. From my experience in Turkey I would say about 80-90% are unnecessary. They are only (or mainly) done to earn money. Probably a bit less in US. A lot less in Sweden (due to socialist health care system, sad thing though due to the same system many necessary are not done either)

[crimethink]

Capitalism in action. What's the problem? :rolleyes:

They have it, you need it, you're gonna pay what they demand.

We can't have "socialized medicine" you know!

[C.Martel]

Capitalism in action. What's the problem? :rolleyes:

They have it, you need it, you're gonna pay what they demand.

We can't have "socialized medicine" you know!

No, Americans are paying for a military that murders foreigners (source: the anti-war movement) that the ZOG (source: Pat Buchanan) doesn't like.

[Jewboo]

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Will Trumpcare end up being better Mamboni?

:(??

[mamboni]

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Will Trumpcare end up being better Mamboni?

:(??Trump et al CANNOT fix US healthcare. The US population is sick sick sick. There is only one way out. Everyone must take responsibility for his health and nutrition. They can build hospitals and homes and assisted living facilities till the cows come home and it won't be enough. We are in a population health meltdown. Diabetes, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, autism, disabilities, cancer are exploding higher - it is an epidemic. I place the blame on nutritional empty and and dead GMO foods, pesticides and hormones, processed foods with neurotoxic excitogens, neurotoxic artificial sweeteners, statin drugs (toxic toxic toxic worthless) and pharmaceuticals in general, and many others. All the food is severely mineral deficient because the farmland is universally depleted and dead. Then, there is pollution, Chemtrails, fluoridated and chlorinated water, pasteurized dairy (i.e. dead, killed, nutritionally garbage). Every American is severely mineral deficient. Without the trace minerals, lifespan is shortened and rampant disease is a guarantee. I do not exaggerate. We are truly screwed. Ponce was right: many will die.

[EE_]

[QUOTE=Jewboo;881062]Trump et al CANNOT fix US healthcare. The US population is sick sick sick. There is only one way out. Everyone must take responsibility for his health and nutrition. They can build hospitals and homes and assisted living facilities till the cows come home and it won't be enough. We are in a population health meltdown. Diabetes, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, autism, disabilities, cancer are exploding higher - it is an epidemic. I place the blame on nutritional empty and and dead GMO foods, pesticides and hormones, processed foods with neurotoxic excitogens, neurotoxic artificial sweeteners, statin drugs (toxic toxic toxic worthless) and pharmaceuticals in general, and many others. All the food is severely mineral deficient because the farmland is universally depleted and dead. Then, there is pollution, Chemtrails, fluoridated and chlorinated water, pasteurized dairy (i.e. dead, killed, nutritionally garbage). Every American is severely mineral deficient. Without the trace minerals, lifespan is shortened and rampant disease is a guarantee. I do not exaggerate. We are truly screwed. Ponce was right: many will die.

He doesn't have to fix healthcare, he just has to make you and millions of Americans believe he has.

[Jewboo]

He doesn't have to fix healthcare, he just has to make you and millions of Americans believe he has.

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[osoab]

I have no issue with the tax credit cut. Don't like the incentives part.

[TroyOz]

[QUOTE=Jewboo;881062]Trump et al CANNOT fix US healthcare. The US population is sick sick sick. There is only one way out. Everyone must take responsibility for his health and nutrition. They can build hospitals and homes and assisted living facilities till the cows come home and it won't be enough. We are in a population health meltdown. Diabetes, cancer, Alzheimer's disease, autism, disabilities, cancer are exploding higher - it is an epidemic. I place the blame on nutritional empty and and dead GMO foods, pesticides and hormones, processed foods with neurotoxic excitogens, neurotoxic artificial sweeteners, statin drugs (toxic toxic toxic worthless) and pharmaceuticals in general, and many others. All the food is severely mineral deficient because the farmland is universally depleted and dead. Then, there is pollution, Chemtrails, fluoridated and chlorinated water, pasteurized dairy (i.e. dead, killed, nutritionally garbage). Every American is severely mineral deficient. Without the trace minerals, lifespan is shortened and rampant disease is a guarantee. I do not exaggerate. We are truly screwed. Ponce was right: many will die.

Once upon a time...


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[Dogman]

Non profit which is rare now is best, any venture that has stockholders, in many ways are evil. because internal prices will have to go up. All to supply the stockholders with a dividend.

Today health is a cash cow, ever notice how most big hospitals are getting bigger? One answer is more people that they serve.

Our medical system is over priced by far, past the insanity levels, beyond what local needs. Slap high prices on everything, take part of that for profits for the stockholders. Buy out all that are computation with their system.

I could go on and on.

Our drug company's are a fine example..they say research cost sets the price.

Well yes but also in the long run pure greed to the point that they will bury any compilation for generic analogs, if not the exact formulation.

Qed.

[Glass]

the cause of the problem is insurance or ponzi. So long as insurance is allowed the costs will always be astronomical.

[Dogman]

the cause of the problem is insurance or ponzi. So long as insurance is allowed the costs will always be astronomical.


Agreed mostly !