Proper Responses

[palani]

A thread dedicated to how to respond.

First point. Any suggestion that you do something that you are not required to do can be considered an offer.

Second point. Dishonor is actionable (as well as objectionable).

Third point. Failure to accept any offer is dishonorable.

Fourth point. Actually accepting all offers is fatal.

Fifth point. Silence is acceptance. You stay quiet when you have an obligation to do (something) and you engage in dishonor.

Sixth point. A counteroffer is not acceptance of an offer. A counteroffer is just another offer on the table that cancels the original offer.

Seventh point. An offer or counteroffer can be cancelled by the offerer by the simple phrase "FORGET IT".

So here is the scenario. You are seated behind the bar (that is the audience area) and the bailiff instructs "ALL RISE".

1. By the points mentioned above is this an offer?
2. Do you accept his offer by standing? [this is recognizing the jurisdiction/authority of the court] ... and if you do so you accept a whole heck of a lot more than you thought.
3. Do you raise your hand and ask the bailiff if you may remove your shoes before standing?
4. What did you do when you changed the terms? [hint .. think counteroffer]
5. So rather than waiting for his acceptance you just kick off your shoes and stand up. On whose jurisdiction/authority have you performed this action?

Another scenario. You receive a bill in the mail for property tax. It is for $1,000. You either owe it or you don't. There is a concept called STATUTE OF FRAUD wherein if you haven't established a monument (signed document) you might ask for validation of the debt. Don't doubt for an instant that while this might be a counteroffer the end result will be a tax lien auction of the debt they have connected to your property. Yet if you pay this amount you agree that it is right and proper. If you pay less than this amount (a valid counteroffer) you will again be faced with a tax lien auction, just for a lesser amount. It seems the only honorable way to protest the validity of the bill is to send in a check for five bucks over the amount demanded. If cashed they accepted your counteroffer and you haven't lost the ability to question the validity. You stood up and kicked off your shoes under your own counteroffer.

[Spectrism]

If you send in more than billed and they accept, you have not allowed questioning of the bill but VOLUNTEERED that a higher bill was more equitable. You have gained nothing and have lost more.

Playing stupid games wins you undesirable results.

[palani]

Playing stupid games wins you undesirable results.

I can see you don't know how to play the game.

A basic rule is that you must first be aware that there is a game.

[Spectrism]

I can see you don't know how to play the game.

A basic rule is that you must first be aware that there is a game.


Before worrying about rules, you must KNOW the character of the players and whether they even submit to the rules. Entering the game is agreement to their rules and ethics- or lack thereof. You play in their money system and you submit to their authority.

[palani]

Entering the game is agreement to their rules and ethics- or lack thereof.
If someone (anyone) sends you a bill then it is either an advance payment or because you are a debtor. If it is to be an advance payment simply decline the honor. If you are a debtor pay five bucks more and become a creditor.

Status ... it means more than you can believe. Debtors have no way of winning. Creditors have few ways of losing.

[Horn]

dont forget to tag that extra $5 with yur interest in really really fine print, palani...

[ximmy]

It seems the only honorable way to protest the validity of the bill is to send in a check for five bucks over the amount demanded. If cashed they accepted your counteroffer and you haven't lost the ability to question the validity. You stood up and kicked off your shoes under your own counteroffer.

They will cash the check and send you a refund check for the overpaid amount.

[crimethink]

The legalist pretends that justice is the aim of the current legal system. Nope, it's business.

The current legal system is founded on brute force, not justice, not right, not authority. Play games with the system and they will simply bring their system weapons to bear on you, which words do not defeat.

[midnight rambler]

The legalist pretends that justice is the aim of the current legal system. Nope, it's business.

The current legal system is founded on brute force, not justice, not right, not authority. Play games with the system and they will simply bring their system weapons to bear on you, which words do not defeat.

I take it this is a religion you adhere to - 'cause it you applied for and have been issued one of those corporate state ID cards or DRIVER LICENSE then you've acknowledged the authority of those who administer that religion over YOU. It's 'just business'...right?

As for me, no thanks, not my religion.

[crimethink]

I take it this is a religion you adhere to - 'cause it you applied for and have been issued one of those corporate state ID cards or DRIVER LICENSE then you've acknowledged the authority of those who administer that religion over YOU. It's 'just business'...right?

As for me, no thanks, not my religion.

Power =/= authority.

You have yet to post a video of you "traveling" in your car without a license, being stopped, and then being let go after saying some magic words.

The current State is an armed robber. If an armed robber says "hand over your wallet," doing so, recognizing the firearm in his hand, is not "acknowledgement of his authority." It is merely a recognition of his power.

Your "religion" is, like most people, to stay alive, and do what is necessary not to lose your liberty or your life. Hence, you, too "travel" with a license plate and a driver's license. You can stop pretending now.

[midnight rambler]

Fred, when it comes to the automobile registration and right to travel issues face it, I'm lightyears ahead of you...apparently so far as to be completely incomprehensible to you.

I've posted before that my DRIVER LICENSE expired FIFTEEN years ago. And I've arranged for a legal fiction (one other than what appears to be me in name) to handle automobile registration since only those LICENSED can *register* automobiles.

[crimethink]

Fred, when it comes to the automobile registration and right to travel issues face it, I'm lightyears ahead of you...apparently so far as to be completely incomprehensible to you. I've posted before that my DRIVER LICENSE expired FIFTEEN years ago.


I fully comprehend what you claim you're doing. I am simply saying I'm not willing to accept on faith that you are actually doing it. I've seen it tried, and it's failed every time. The available evidence indicates they were not less intelligent or "informed" than you. It simply does not work as you hope. By the grace of God, you haven't had an "encounter" that demonstrated to you it really doesn't work.

Even if your "plan" is "lawful," how many cops are going to simply accept it? None, that's how many..."beat the rap, can't beat the ride." We both know the "legal system" operates ultimately on force, not justice or real law.




And I've arranged for a legal fiction (one other than what appears to be me in name) to handle automobile registration since only those LICENSED can *register* automobiles.

So you set up a trust or LLC and it "owns" the "vehicle" with you as the trustee/CEO. I can believe that, and it probably works.

[midnight rambler]

Fred sez, "Go along to get along! Caesar is THE authority in MY life!" lol

[palani]

They will cash the check and send you a refund check for the overpaid amount.
They might. If so then it would be my option to cash it or not.

[palani]

The legalist pretends that justice is the aim of the current legal system. Nope, it's business.
Didn't you know. The 'more perfect union' is nothing if not business. That doesn't mean you have to play by the terms of a bankrupt system.


The current legal system is founded on brute force, not justice, not right, not authority.
All legal systems are founded on force ... followed by consent. No news here.


Play games with the system and they will simply bring their system weapons to bear on you, which words do not defeat. You (and I) are free to observe the methods used by 'the system' and (because we/I are the source of the authority) we all have access to the same methods. Here is why
Fraus meretur fraudem. Fraud deserves fraud. Plow. 100.

[palani]

I've seen it tried, and it's failed every time.
There are no identical cases. You may have seen "it" tried but by people who argue, who fall into dishonor, who lack status, who are debtors not creditors, who participate in the welfare state,....

Without basic status correction anyone who tries to leave the system is SCREWED from the beginning. But it was THEIR action that screwed them and not the system.

[crimethink]

Fred sez, "Go along to get along! Caesar is THE authority in MY life!" lol

When someone points a gun in your face, you, too, will "go along to get along."

[midnight rambler]

When someone points a gun in your face, you, too, will "go along to get along."

I don't have that problem yet you do??

"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." --Steve Biko

[crimethink]

"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." --Steve Biko

I'm surprised at you. Biko was not "oppressed," considering he and his fellow South African Niggers simply would not have existed without the blood and toil of the "evil" Afrikaaners which created an advanced society capable of supporting millions of Stone Age "people."

Biko was, at best, a pinko fellow traveler, at worst, a secret Marxist. And in any case, his "Black Consciousness Movement" was the enemy of the the bio-cultural entity that created and sustained South Africa. His "non-violence" was just as fake as King's - terrorism without firing a shot.

I'm happy to be an "oppressor" in the style of Dr. Verwoerd.

And now that you have revealed your opposition to the state is rooted in neo-Marxism, I can understand you better.

[palani]

I'm happy to be an "oppressor" in the style of Dr. Verwoerd

But do you still beat your wife? This is a yes or no question. Try to be responsive in your answer.