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Cebu_4_2
20th December 2016, 11:19 PM
Gun Sales Surge in CA Ahead of Sweeping New Gun Control Laws
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California is seeing a big surge in gun sales as the Golden State gets ready to enact (http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gun-run-snap-20161218-story.html) sweeping gun control measures.
Some Californians are rushing to get their hands on the AR-15, which is America's most popular rifle and a longtime target of gun control proponents.
Gun sales, including handguns, are up 40 percent this year in California, while sales of semi-automatic rifles have doubled.
The new laws, set to take effect January 1, will ban so-called "assault-style rifles" with easily-detachable magazines.
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William La Jeunesse reported the latest this morning, explaining that today is the last day to make a purchase, since the state has a 10-day waiting period on all purchases.
If the buyer fails to take possession of a soon-to-be-banned firearm by Dec. 31, they won't be allowed to take it home, La Jeunesse said.
A buyer in San Rafael, California, said the only reason he made his purchase was because soon he won't have the option.
"Do I need the weapon I just purchased? No. Did I purchase it anyway? Yes. The bottom line [is] they took the choice away from responsible adults," he explained.
The new laws also require owners to register their semi-automatic rifles with the state. Magazines holding more than 10 rounds will also be illegal and anyone who has one already must turn it over to police.
However, many gun owners have declared they will not comply.
Supporters of the gun control actions say this will "limit bloodshed" in local communities. Critics argue that the legislation limits the ability of law-abiding people to defend themselves against armed criminals.
"We have true criminals out there who could care less about this stuff. And Joe Public that does care, [who is] legitimately scared, doesn't even know where to begin to be compliant," Gabriel Vaughn, the owner of Sportsman's Arms.
Watch the full report above.
Twisted Titan
21st December 2016, 04:48 AM
"Do I need the weapon I just purchased? No. Did I purchase it anyway? Yes. The bottom line [is] they took the choice away from responsible adults," he explained
There is the result of assbackwards" liberal thinking
Joshua01
21st December 2016, 05:22 AM
The stupidity will go on as long as the progressives are around. They won't go away, they won't ever stop.
Twisted Titan
21st December 2016, 06:27 AM
The stupidity will go on as long as the progressives are around. They won't go away, they won't ever stop.
good.
nothing makes me happier then A). Keeping myself and loved ones safe B.) Providing income for good paying jobs
Everyone is a winner
milehi
21st December 2016, 07:00 PM
You can still own unregistered semi automatic center fire rifles in California. They must be "featureless". Like a Mini 14 or Saiga in hunting configuration. The rifle must not have a pistol grip, or if it does a grip fin must be installed. No flash hider or adjustable stock. You can not run a forward grip. All mags legally obtained over ten rounds are now illegal. If it's featurless though, then no bullet button is needed.
Lowers can still be bought if you're building a .22lr. If you build anything else, you're illegally constructing a assault rifle.
ximmy
21st December 2016, 07:20 PM
If I make my ar15's featureless like in the photo, do I still have to use the bullet button?
https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb-720x0-c-default.jpg
The new legislation is also intended to close loopholes in existing gun regulation. One of those loopholes allows gun owners a quick workaround to a state law that requires the use of a “tool” to physically detach a magazine from a rifle.
The tool requirement was supposed to make changing magazines slower and more cumbersome, decreasing the rifle’s appeal to as a weapon of choice in mass shootings. But manufacturers and firearms dealers created a work-around: a $12 “bullet button (http://www.bulletbutton.com/),” which allows an easy magazine change by pressing with the pointed end of a bullet — or a pen, or a small twig.
Irked by the workaround, California lawmakers this year sought to close the bullet-button loophole, once and for all. Under the new law, semiautomatic rifles that have either a pistol grip, collapsible stock, or flash suppressor are required to use magazines that are “permanently” attached. The only way to reload such a weapon would be to open the rifle’s action — separating the lower receiver from the upper receiver — and adding bullets into the fixed magazine from above.
Many California gun owners say the new law will only encourage more workarounds unforeseen by naive lawmakers.
They may have a point. A few, relatively simple cosmetic changes to a rifle’s exterior features, costing less than $100, are all that is needed to make any semiautomatic, military-style rifle legal even under the new law, without impeding its operator’s ability to fire and reload. For instance, to make a standard AR-15 a “featureless” and entirely legal rifle under the new California law, its owner need only pin its collapsible buttstock in place and remove its pistol grip and flash suppressor — what California AR-15 owners sardonically call “evil features.”
https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb-720x0-c-default.jpg (https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb.jpg) An example of a “featureless” AR-15 that will comply with the new California assault weapons law. (Photo: thefirearmblog.com (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/12/12/frs-15-california-featureless-ar-15-stock/))
milehi
21st December 2016, 07:43 PM
If I make my ar15's featureless like in the photo, do I still have to use the bullet button?
https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb-720x0-c-default.jpg
The new legislation is also intended to close loopholes in existing gun regulation. One of those loopholes allows gun owners a quick workaround to a state law that requires the use of a “tool” to physically detach a magazine from a rifle.
The tool requirement was supposed to make changing magazines slower and more cumbersome, decreasing the rifle’s appeal to as a weapon of choice in mass shootings. But manufacturers and firearms dealers created a work-around: a $12 “bullet button (http://www.bulletbutton.com/),” which allows an easy magazine change by pressing with the pointed end of a bullet — or a pen, or a small twig.
Irked by the workaround, California lawmakers this year sought to close the bullet-button loophole, once and for all. Under the new law, semiautomatic rifles that have either a pistol grip, collapsible stock, or flash suppressor are required to use magazines that are “permanently” attached. The only way to reload such a weapon would be to open the rifle’s action — separating the lower receiver from the upper receiver — and adding bullets into the fixed magazine from above.
Many California gun owners say the new law will only encourage more workarounds unforeseen by naive lawmakers.
They may have a point. A few, relatively simple cosmetic changes to a rifle’s exterior features, costing less than $100, are all that is needed to make any semiautomatic, military-style rifle legal even under the new law, without impeding its operator’s ability to fire and reload. For instance, to make a standard AR-15 a “featureless” and entirely legal rifle under the new California law, its owner need only pin its collapsible buttstock in place and remove its pistol grip and flash suppressor — what California AR-15 owners sardonically call “evil features.”
https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb-720x0-c-default.jpg (https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb.jpg) An example of a “featureless” AR-15 that will comply with the new California assault weapons law. (Photo: thefirearmblog.com (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/12/12/frs-15-california-featureless-ar-15-stock/))
You don't need a bullet button for a Mini 14. I bought my Saigas in CA from Turners which have a paddle mag release, which if I were to convert to a pistol grip in the past, I'd need a bullet button. I live in AZ now but still keep long guns in CA where my family is from (6 generations). A PTR 91 I have stored there has a grip fin, fixed stock, thread protector in place of a flash hider, and no bullet button.
Some say we will know more from the DOJ after the first. Or surf calguns.org to get more confused.
Joshua01
21st December 2016, 07:46 PM
You don't need a bullet button for a Mini 14. I bought my Saigas in CA from Turners which have a paddle mag release, which if I were to convert to a pistol grip in the past, I'd need a bullet button. I live in AZ now but still keep long guns in CA where my family is from (6 generations). A PTR 91 I have stored there has a grip fin, fixed stock, thread protector in place of a flash hider, and no bullet button.
Some say we will know more from the DOJ after the first. Or surf calguns.org to get more confused.
What a mess out there. The MA/NY/CT/NJ and RI are just as bad or damn near close to CA
crimethink
21st December 2016, 07:48 PM
I think we need to encourage the leftists in pushing for Calexit. They can declare independence, name their capital Los Angeles, and then we in the State of Jefferson (northern California) can simply declare independence, as well, and realign ourselves with America. Like West Virginia did in 1861.
Real Californians can never be free until the influence of Los Angeles and Sodomcisco is permanently negated.
crimethink
21st December 2016, 07:49 PM
You don't need a bullet button for a Mini 14. I bought my Saigas in CA from Turners which have a paddle mag release, which if I were to convert to a pistol grip in the past, I'd need a bullet button. I live in AZ now but still keep long guns in CA where my family is from (6 generations). A PTR 91 I have stored there has a grip fin, fixed stock, thread protector in place of a flash hider, and no bullet button.
Some say we will know more from the DOJ after the first. Or surf calguns.org to get more confused.
A California-legal alternative to the Mini-14 or Saiga is the Kel-Tec SU-16:
https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/su-16a
A big advantage with the SU-16 series is that they accept STANAG (standard AR-15/M-16) magazines, unlike the Mini and Saiga.
You have me beat by one generation. My ancestors arrived in 1852.
ximmy
21st December 2016, 07:51 PM
I just looked at one of my rifles, and it's fine how it is, pistol grip, flash suppressor, telescoping stock. I have no reason to change it to fit immoral laws.
crimethink
21st December 2016, 08:00 PM
I just looked at one of my rifles, and it's fine how it is, pistol grip, flash suppressor, telescoping stock. I have no reason to change it to fit immoral laws.
You will not be alone if you refuse to comply with anti-constitutional decrees from criminals in suits. There will be millions. The fuckers in Sacramento are drunk on their own delusions of grandeur to think even a single sane man or woman will give up their normal capacity magazines in 10 days. Or give up their rifles. Or change anything that is useful.
midnight rambler
21st December 2016, 08:09 PM
https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb-720x0-c-default.jpg
That rifle has one of those evil barrel shrouds, you know, the shoulder thing that goes up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U
Twisted Titan
22nd December 2016, 02:07 AM
Just apply for the exemption and that's the end of it.
The exemption?
The same one the criminals have.
Neuro
22nd December 2016, 04:53 AM
I think we need to encourage the leftists in pushing for Calexit. They can declare independence, name their capital Los Angeles, and then we in the State of Jefferson (northern California) can simply declare independence, as well, and realign ourselves with America. Like West Virginia did in 1861.
Real Californians can never be free until the influence of Los Angeles and Sodomcisco is permanently negated.
Jew York Shity can become like the Vatican too, with a yuuuge wall surrounding it. I think 6 million Jews can errrh live there...
Joshua01
22nd December 2016, 06:30 AM
https://www.thetrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/frs_15_2-tfb-720x0-c-default.jpg
That rifle has one of those evil barrel shrouds, you know, the shoulder thing that goes up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U
This one never gets old. It demonstrates precisely the lunacy of the left
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