Europe Proposes Confiscating Gold, Cash, Bitcoin, And Prepaid Cards

[singular_me]

the tool for enslavement

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Europe Proposes Confiscating Gold, Cash, Bitcoin, And Prepaid Cards To Fight 'Terrorist Financing'
28 December 2016 GMT

Following exceedingly unpopular moves by China and India, the European Commission has now proposed to tighten controls on cash and precious metals — going so far as to allow confiscations of gold and assets — of anyone even believed to be associated with terrorism or terrorists.

These confiscations and strictures around personal wealth would be part of the European Union’s “action plan against terrorist financing,” proposed following the terrorist attacks on Paris in November 2015 — except the impetus to apply the measures came when a truck plowed through a bustling Christmas market in Berlin on December 19, killing 12 people and injuring scores more.

It appears the Commission surreptitiously proposed tighter controls on cash and precious metals after the market attack but in just before the holidays — possibly to avoid an acrimonious backlash.’...............

Officials from the European Union claimed terrorists executed recent attacks with small budgets sometimes financed by ‘criminal organizations’ located elsewhere — thus the perfect justification to restrict cash and precious metals presented itself with the attack in Berlin.

According to Reuters, the European Commission is debating whether to implement an EU-specific “terrorist finance tracking programme” to mirror one already in place between the EU and the United States, which, Reuters notes, “has long been opposed by EU lawmakers and privacy campaigners because it allows widespread checks on consumers’ bank transfers.”

Interesting, the U.S. Department of Treasury — upon implementation of the American terrorist financial tracking plan — wrote what seems, in retrospect, as if it were trying to convince itself of the plan’s merit, stating:

This is exactly the kind of program that Americans want and expect from their government to prevent further terrorist attacks.

But the Commission didn’t stop there.

Also proposed are common rules among the 28 member nations to freeze “terrorists’ financial resources” — and confiscating the financial assets of anyone even thought to be associated with criminals.

But the European Commission’s plans get even darker from there, because — despite the ostensible targeting of terrorists and criminals — its proposals leave innocent citizens at risk of being unjustly accused and losing significant personal wealth...........
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/europe-proposes-confiscating-gold-cash-bitcoin-prepaid-cards-fight-terrorist-financing.html

[Horn]

proposed following the terrorist attacks on Paris in November 2015 — except the impetus to apply the measures came when a truck plowed through a bustling Christmas market in Berlin on December 19, killing 12 people and injuring scores more.

and its applied use as a memory card and placement holder...

We've gotta keep this type of reactionary .gov taxation terrorism virus from spreading somehow.

this is why McAfee was the only choice for U.S. Prez...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

[ximmy]

they should also confiscate beasts of burden

[Horn]

they should also confiscate beasts of burden

quit being a neocon, ximmy :)

[crimethink]

Original source:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-security-financing-idUKKBN14A17P

"The authorities" across the planet are hell-bent on extinguishing all forms of individual freedom. If you can operate independently of or outside "the System," the means that allow you to do so will be squashed with a boot.

The Mark is coming, where all will take it in order to buy or sell, or, be exiled to poverty and starvation without leaving where one used to live.

I am sorry to say that preppers have zero hope for holding out indefinitely. Prepping for what is coming only allows one a degree of freedom from being immediately subjected to total government. But eventually, the Devil's System will outlast even the most prepared individuals and families and communities. You will "take the Mark," or you will die, either violently, or whimpering. I choose the second of the three options, personally. Bible in one hand, rifle in the other? If God wills it, yes! And I hope to preach that St. John was guided by God to warn you all about this 2000 years ago, and, also give you the only "solution" to it, until they shoot me dead.

[Cebu_4_2]

until they shoot me dead.

Would this be before or after?

[crimethink]

Would this be before or after?

Before or after what?

[singular_me]

the 2 only options

letting the system go fearlessly .... BEFORE they crash it down and panic unravels

[Joshua01]

Original source:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-security-financing-idUKKBN14A17P

"The authorities" across the planet are hell-bent on extinguishing all forms of individual freedom. If you can operate independently of or outside "the System," the means that allow you to do so will be squashed with a boot.

The Mark is coming, where all will take it in order to buy or sell, or, be exiled to poverty and starvation without leaving where one used to live.

I am sorry to say that preppers have zero hope for holding out indefinitely. Prepping for what is coming only allows one a degree of freedom from being immediately subjected to total government. But eventually, the Devil's System will outlast even the most prepared individuals and families and communities. You will "take the Mark," or you will die, either violently, or whimpering. I choose the second of the three options, personally. Bible in one hand, rifle in the other? If God wills it, yes! And I hope to preach that St. John was guided by God to warn you all about this 2000 years ago, and, also give you the only "solution" to it, until they shoot me dead.
Screw the bible fairy tales. I don't want to save them, I want to defend myself against them. If and when they threaten me and my family I'll choose to die while taking as many of those bastards with me as I can in the process! I'd have little to lose at that point and I'm already mad as hell!

[madfranks]

Just wondering, how will they confiscate bitcoin? If my bitcoin is stored in the cloud and the only access is via a password in my head, they can't confiscate jack shit.

[Hitch]

Just wondering, how will they confiscate bitcoin? If my bitcoin is stored in the cloud and the only access is via a password in my head, they can't confiscate jack shit.

They could make bitcoins illegal, making it a felony to use them. Plus, you know the .gov goons are working on a way to crack it, or somehow destroy the whole bitcoin system. All bitcoin needs is a loss of faith, and it's value would fall to zero.

[Joshua01]

All bitcoin needs is a loss of faith, and it's value would fall to zero.

You can say the very same thing about FRNs

[Horn]

You can say the very same thing about FRNs

not so when they r still required to levy taxes.

faith-n-taxes do not mix.

[Hitch]

You can say the very same thing about FRNs

Actual cash in hand, absolutely. It's coming, eventually. Look at those countries, such as India, already banning large denomination bills. They would start with banning the $100 bill here. I don't keep any in my emergency cash. I might have some $50 bills, but all of it is $20's or less.

People still use cash. Bitcoin I would think would be easy to destroy. TPTB demonize it as being evil for illegal drug trades, and such. Mainstream media could push that agenda quite easily, and the stupid sheep will believe it.

[madfranks]

They could make bitcoins illegal, making it a felony to use them. Plus, you know the .gov goons are working on a way to crack it, or somehow destroy the whole bitcoin system. All bitcoin needs is a loss of faith, and it's value would fall to zero.Making it illegal and confiscating it are two different things. My point was to question how it could be confiscated.

[Hitch]

Making it illegal and confiscating it are two different things. My point was to question how it could be confiscated.

Death by a thousand cuts. Making bitoin illegal is the start of it. Bitoin will be confiscated by it's loss of value. Nobody will use it, if it's not used, poof it's gone. .Gov is very good at making things like this happen.

[crimethink]

Just wondering, how will they confiscate bitcoin? If my bitcoin is stored in the cloud and the only access is via a password in my head, they can't confiscate jack shit.

I don't believe for a second there is such a thing as "unbreakable encryption." Further, ask yourself: who owns "the Cloud"? It would be much, much easier to simply intercept your "encrypted communication" than to brute force it.

Did Ulbricht hand over his key(s)?

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/06/technology/bitcoin-silk-road/

[mamboni]

I don't believe for a second there is such a thing as "unbreakable encryption." Further, ask yourself: who owns "the Cloud"? It would be much, much easier to simply intercept your "encrypted communication" than to brute force it.

Did Ulbricht hand over his key(s)?

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/06/technology/bitcoin-silk-road/I use older encryption software with no NSA backdoor. In theory, a supercomputer can crack any encryption, given enough time (i.e. millions of years). My passwords are 28+ characters, numbers, symbols and upper/lower case using a Blowfish algorithm. I'm not holding my breath worrying about such a virtual impossibility.

[Joshua01]

Bitcoin can be eradicated by simply downing the internet. It can be done folks

If you don't hold it, you don't own it!

-Ponce

[Joshua01]

I don't believe for a second there is such a thing as "unbreakable encryption." Further, ask yourself: who owns "the Cloud"? It would be much, much easier to simply intercept your "encrypted communication" than to brute force it.

Did Ulbricht hand over his key(s)?

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/06/technology/bitcoin-silk-road/


The 'cloud' is the most insecure place to put information.

[madfranks]

Bitcoin can be eradicated by simply downing the internet. It can be done folks

If you don't hold it, you don't own it!

-PonceSimply downing the internet? If it's so simple, why don't you explain how the entire internet can be eradicated for us?

[madfranks]

I don't believe for a second there is such a thing as "unbreakable encryption." Further, ask yourself: who owns "the Cloud"? It would be much, much easier to simply intercept your "encrypted communication" than to brute force it.

Did Ulbricht hand over his key(s)?

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/06/technology/bitcoin-silk-road/

I don't think he handed them over, but he didn't secure them properly.

If you leave your gold bars sitting on the table out in the open and someone takes them, are you going to blame the gold, or the person who failed to secure them?

[Horn]

If Europe were smart it would promote Bitcoin so that it could steal it from any unsuspecting user.

Though they would have the same issue the users have of turning Bitcoin into anything useful.

[crimethink]

I use older encryption software with no NSA backdoor. In theory, a supercomputer can crack any encryption, given enough time (i.e. millions of years). My passwords are 28+ characters, numbers, symbols and upper/lower case using a Blowfish algorithm. I'm not holding my breath worrying about such a virtual impossibility.

I don't have that level of faith in "probability." "Millions of years" is the "probability" we have been told, but, in reality, it could be mere hours.

And when dealing with the work of a Jew, the probability is that you have been conned, no matter how it appears he is "on our side." Blowfish is the product of (((Bruce Schneier))), someone firmly established in, well, "the Establishment."

You're safe against amazon.com and Ahmed Muhammad scanning your emails for their own purposes. The NSA? "Probably" not.

[madfranks]

If Europe were smart it would promote Bitcoin so that it could steal it from any unsuspecting user.

Though they would have the same issue the users have of turning Bitcoin into anything useful.

Also, if Europe were smart it would promote physical gold and silver so that it could steal it from unsuspecting users. Of course, they'd also have the same issue the users have of turning their gold and silver into anything useful.

[crimethink]

Bitcoin can be eradicated by simply downing the internet. It can be done folks

If you don't hold it, you don't own it!

-Ponce

You and I don't agree much, but we are a chorus on this.

It's odd that most people who embrace Ponce's maxim are willing to put so much faith into something they can never hold.

[crimethink]

Simply downing the internet? If it's so simple, why don't you explain how the entire internet can be eradicated for us?

Concerted strategic cyberwarfare against "civilian" network infrastructure, a never-ending DDOS attack on DNS systems and key data centers by the NSA and allies. Permanently? No, but the means exist for a rather "prolonged outage."

Remember October's DDOS attack across America and Europe in the wake of Assange's Internet being pulled (and alleged kidnapping by the Secret Police)? Make that times ten.

[crimethink]

I don't think he handed them over, but he didn't secure them properly.

If you leave your gold bars sitting on the table out in the open and someone takes them, are you going to blame the gold, or the person who failed to secure them?

We are both making assumptions:

I assume that Bitcoin (and TOR) are both "not secure."

You assume he failed to secure them.

In a way, we are both right: he failed to "secure them" by believing in what is popularly believed about both Bitcoin and TOR. He lost his freedom by placing his faith in TOR.

[Horn]

Of course, they'd also have the same issue the users have of turning their gold and silver into anything useful.

Someone ban this man for transgression, trespassing, mutiny or any other additional items.

He is having too much fun typing on his trace silver keyboard...and gold pin internet connection.

[Hitch]

If you leave your gold bars sitting on the table out in the open and someone takes them, are you going to blame the gold, or the person who failed to secure them?

Gold and silver are still legal. I think the real issue is how do you convert bitcoins into something tangible, ie spend them, when TPTB make them illegal? Right now there's bitcoin atms, you can sell them for cash and go buy things. Or even buy things directly.

But, all they have to do is demonize bitcoin, link it to crimes, and for the public "safety" pass a law outlawing them. Then, overnight, by having bitcoins you are a criminal. Nobody legal will accept them. Then the value tanks, and you are stuck with something worthless.

[singular_me]

Bitcoin can be eradicated by simply downing the internet. It can be done folks

I agree here, if users can no longer access their accounts, that is all what it takes. Same consequences.

[madfranks]

We are both making assumptions:

I assume that Bitcoin (and TOR) are both "not secure."

You assume he failed to secure them.

In a way, we are both right: he failed to "secure them" by believing in what is popularly believed about both Bitcoin and TOR. He lost his freedom by placing his faith in TOR.

I think the warnings of TOR being traceable are fairly well known and should have been known to Ross. There are currently no known methods that the bitcoin blockchain can be hacked or cracked (that I know of). People have tried, and failed. With the price of a single BTC hovering over $950, and millions of them in circulation, I believe there is more than enough incentive for the best of the best to have tried breaking the blockchain to steal that wealth.

[Horn]

I think the warnings of TOR being traceable are fairly well known and should have been known to Ross. There are currently no known methods that the bitcoin blockchain can be hacked or cracked (that I know of). People have tried, and failed. With the price of a single BTC hovering over $950, and millions of them in circulation, I believe there is more than enough incentive for the best of the best to have tried breaking the blockchain to steal that wealth.

The blockchain IS its only "wealth", anyone seeking wealth in would not break it for that reason.

it,d be like stealing the first copy of the bible by burning it.

[mamboni]

Bitcoin, like dollars and debts, carries counterparty risk. It's no substitute for physical metal vis-a-vis wealth preservation.

[singular_me]

who could have thought of India to become a test tube? A glimpse at what lies ahead. This could be in the store after the next big terror attack (to prevent terror financing so to speak). An overnight event cannot be excluded.
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India Cash Ban Could Get Worse: 'We Don’t Even Have Enough Money To Buy Food'
31 December 2016 GMT

via Business Insider:

Modi’s announcement that 500 and 1,000 rupee bills — making up 86% of India’s currency — were no longer legal tender has posed an enormous hardship for millions of people who use cash for everything from salaries to cellphone charges.....

more
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/india-cash-ban-get-worse-dont-even-enough-money-buy-food.html

[Neuro]

I use older encryption software with no NSA backdoor. In theory, a supercomputer can crack any encryption, given enough time (i.e. millions of years). My passwords are 28+ characters, numbers, symbols and upper/lower case using a Blowfish algorithm. I'm not holding my breath worrying about such a virtual impossibility.

Thank you!

What's the first letter, or is it a number/symbol?

;D

[Horn]

who could have thought of India to become a test tube? A glimpse at what lies ahead. This could be in the store after the next big terror attack (to prevent terror financing so to speak). An overnight event cannot be excluded.
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India Cash Ban Could Get Worse: 'We Don’t Even Have Enough Money To Buy Food'
31 December 2016 GMT

via Business Insider:

Modi’s announcement that 500 and 1,000 rupee bills — making up 86% of India’s currency — were no longer legal tender has posed an enormous hardship for millions of people who use cash for everything from salaries to cellphone charges.....

more
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/india-cash-ban-get-worse-dont-even-enough-money-buy-food.html

They do it in countries who can afford to attempt it or are behind in electronic dough progress, even with cash removal in that article they still suspect India will grow 7%.

[singular_me]

They do it in countries who can afford to attempt it or are behind in electronic dough progress, even with cash removal in that article they still suspect India will grow 7%.


I wouldnt trust the 7% at all, and with that %, an economy cannot grow that fast unless there is enough money printing that supports it. It is just another way to contract an economy.


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[Spectrism]

It has been said- If you don't hold it, you don't own it. This is true from the perspective of controlling an asset. But if you hold it, they can take it from you.

We will soon be in a time when you will understand this- If you don't own it, they can't take it from you. This will sound worthless because you will think you have no use for what you don't own and hold. But learn to be a steward of things owned by God. If God is the owner, He is responsible for securing it beyond what you can do. If it goes away, it is not your concern as you exercised simple care for what was entrusted to you and the thief will deal with a much bigger problem. Be ready to let all go.

[madfranks]

It has been said- If you don't hold it, you don't own it. This is true from the perspective of controlling an asset. But if you hold it, they can take it from you.

We will soon be in a time when you will understand this- If you don't own it, they can't take it from you. This will sound worthless because you will think you have no use for what you don't own and hold. But learn to be a steward of things owned by God. If God is the owner, He is responsible for securing it beyond what you can do. If it goes away, it is not your concern as you exercised simple care for what was entrusted to you and the thief will deal with a much bigger problem. Be ready to let all go.

I've also heard of strategies by which people place their assets (house, vehicles, etc.) in a trust which is set up so it can only be accessed by a child after the parent's death, or something like that. I wonder how that would work if PMs were put in the mix.

[crimethink]

I've also heard of strategies by which people place their assets (house, vehicles, etc.) in a trust which is set up so it can only be accessed by a child after the parent's death, or something like that. I wonder how that would work if PMs were put in the mix.

A trust is a product of the State. PMs can be below radar, so they are much more likely to be able to be passed to offspring without trouble.

Anything in a trust is ultimately the property of the State, if they so decide.

[Joshua01]

A trust is a product of the State. PMs can be below radar, so they are much more likely to be able to be passed to offspring without trouble.

Anything in a trust is ultimately the property of the State, if they so decide.


Spot on! PM inheritance needs to be done the good old fashioned way, treat them as hand me downs!