Mexico decides to work with Trump on Wall... Considers benefits for all

[ximmy]

HE DID IT: Mexico Comes to Table, Tells Trump They’ll Discuss the Wall
Every ludicrous doomsday theory (http://conservativetribune.com/ann-coulter-destroys-celebrity/) liberals spouted about President-elect Donald Trump prior to his election in November has begun to unravel, including the one about him potentially damaging America’s relationship with our neighbors.
As an example, consider what Mexico’s new foreign relations secretary Luis Videgaray said this week. “(He) said Tuesday his country isn’t just willing to negotiate changes to the North American Free Trade Agreement, it wants to start talks as soon as possible,” the Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_MEXICO_TRUMP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-01-10-13-31-18) reported.
And here was the kicker: “He (also) said Mexico is willing to negotiate over Trump’s plan to build a border wall.”


During a televised address last Wednesday, the same day Videgaray was tapped to serve as the foreign relations secretary, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto himself stressed the importance of negotiations.
“With the change of government in the United States on 20 January, the instructions for secretary Videgaray is (sic) to accelerate dialogue and contacts so that from the first day the bases for building a constructive work relationship can be established,” he said, as noted by The U.K. Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/mexico-foreign-minister-luis-videgaray-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw).


Moreover, according to Robert Costa, a reporter for The Washington Post, Trump and his team strongly believed that the selection of Videgaray as the foreign relations minister would serve greatly to their benefit vis-à-vis building the wall (http://conservativetribune.com/inmates-work-trumps-border-wall/).


When I asked one top source about Mexico and the wall, source said this story is most important of the week… https://t.co/1lF9eaVle0
— Robert Costa (@costareports) January 6, 2017 (https://twitter.com/costareports/status/817373752010964996)


The way Trump people are talking about wall behind the scenes: we can work w/ Luis Videgaray, force Congress to get the project started
— Robert Costa (@costareports) January 6, 2017 (https://twitter.com/costareports/status/817374082484342786)
“The way Trump team are talking about wall behind the scenes: we can work w/Luis Videgaray, force Congress to get the project started,” Costa tweeted last Friday.

http://conservativetribune.com/mexico-comes-to-table/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=225&v=iBRQIZLbObU

[ximmy]

Carrots and sticks: Mexico is getting ready to make deals with President Donald Trump
In September, less than week after Donald Trump visited Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto in Mexico City, then-Finance Minister Luis Videgaray resigned his post (http://www.businessinsider.com/mexican-government-cabinet-changes-after-donald-trump-visit-2016-9), with no reason given at the time.
It now appears that Videgaray was the architect of Trump's visit and that his resignation was the consequence of a decision that was excoriated throughout Mexico and "greatly weakened (https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33721350/mastermind-of-trumps-mexico-visit-named-foreign-minister/#page1)" him, Peña Nieto said.
But now, with Donald Trump just weeks away from taking the oath as US president, Videgaray is back in the fold in Mexico City.
'Our strengths are also enormous' Peña Nieto appointed (http://www.businessinsider.com/r-mexico-president-to-name-fallen-finance-minister-as-foreign-minister-sources-2017-1) Videgaray — a longtime friend and close adviser — as foreign minister during the first week of January, replacing Claudia Ruiz Massieu, who had held the position since August 2015.
During the announcement, the Mexican president spoke of Videgaray's duty to engage with Mexico's neighbors, specifically the incoming government of Donald Trump.
"With the change of government in the United States on 20 January, the instructions for Secretary Videgaray is to accelerate dialogue and contacts so that from the first day the bases for building a constructive work relationship can be established,” Peña Nieto said (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/04/mexico-foreign-minister-luis-videgaray-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw) during televised remarks.
Videgaray will guide US-Mexico relations on the issues of immigration, security, and trade with the aim of promoting "Mexico's interests without diminishing our sovereignty and the dignity of Mexicans," Peña Nieto said (https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33721350/mastermind-of-trumps-mexico-visit-named-foreign-minister/#page1).


In his new position, Videgaray is to "continue with the emphasis to boost development in Central America and the mechanisms of integration in Latin America, emphasizing the Pacific Alliance," Peña Nieto said (http://www.gob.mx/presidencia/articulos/nuevos-titulares-de-sre-y-de-cultura?idiom=es), referring to the regional bloc made up of Pacific coast countries.
Peña Nieto also addressed members of Mexico's foreign ministry, telling them (https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33721350/mastermind-of-trumps-mexico-visit-named-foreign-minister/#page1), without mentioning any other country, that "the challenge is enormous, the threats are there, but the opportunities and our strengths are also enormous."
Cutting a deal Videgaray's return, jarring to many in Mexico, appears to be a response to Trump's election in November, which was similarly dismaying for many in the country.
Videgaray, as finance minister, reportedly orchestrated the meeting between the Mexican president and Trump. Several weeks prior to the summit, a mutual friend from Wall Street set up a meeting between Videgaray and Jared Kushner (http://www.businessinsider.com/r-mexico-president-to-name-fallen-finance-minister-as-foreign-minister-sources-2017-1) — a Trump confidant — in New York, a source close to the Mexican government told The Wall Street Journal in September.
Donald Trump shakes hands with Jared Kushner, right, husband of daughter Ivanka Trump, center, during a campaign stop in New Hampshire, January 18, 2016. John Minchillo/AP

Trump himself apparently holds Videgaray in high regard.
"Mexico has lost a brilliant finance minister and wonderful man who I know is highly respected by President Peña Nieto," Trump tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/773948120069615616) in the hours after Videgaray's resignation.
"With Luis, Mexico and the United States would have made wonderful deals together - where both Mexico and the US would have benefitted," Trump added (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/773948271140016128).
"The new foreign minister has shown himself as a politician disposed to the transactional deal, something that is part of the DNA of the US president-elect," Duncan Wood, director of the Mexico Institute at the Washington, DC-based Woodrow Wilson Center, and Andrew Selee, executive vice president at the Center, wrote in a column (http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/entrada-de-opinion/articulo/andrew-selee-y-duncan-wood/nacion/2017/01/5/el-regreso-de-videgaray#.WG4wewFziro.twitter) for Mexican newspaper El Universal.
"Difficult times are coming in which the Trump administration probably tries to renegotiate some part of the North American Free Trade Agreement," Wood and Selee write (http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/entrada-de-opinion/articulo/andrew-selee-y-duncan-wood/nacion/2017/01/5/el-regreso-de-videgaray#.WG4wewFziro.twitter), "and it's good to have an Mexican interlocutor who knows the impact that this could have on the Mexican economy and how to transform a potential national disaster into a comparative advantage."
The Trump team, too, reportedly sees Videgaray as a partner in dealmaking, and not in regards to NAFTA.


Neither confrontation nor submission While the interpersonal dynamics of the relationship between Washington and Mexico City during the Trump administration remain to be seen, Videgaray, in his first address as foreign minister, laid out how Mexico's government would approach bilateral relations going forward, given what he called (https://apnews.com/9a2a429e77184944acd6b74191372c53) the "considerable challenge of US political dynamics."
"We will negotiate with great confidence in ourselves, without fear, knowing how important Mexico is for the United States in economic, social, and political terms," Videgaray said (http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-mexico-says-will-negotiate-with-trump-without-fear-2017-1) in Mexico City on Monday, during his opening address to the 28th Annual Meeting of Ambassadors and Consuls.
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/57d086dd5124c9236d85389a-512 Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto, right, embraces Finance Secretary Luis Videgaray after accepting Videgaray's resignation at the presidential residence in Mexico City, September 7, 2016. syndication.ap.org (http://syndication.ap.org/AP.Distro.ContentBroker2/ContentBroker.aspx?contentid=c0364b0599f14c079c8f1 ee0d78713a2&iid=ba66ed0170f84f8da302d05eabb7b324&rsn=0&recordid=ba66ed0170f84f8da302d05eabb7b324&filingId=d26c9eeb4dcc4907a8820c444763e695&role=Preview&reldt=2016-09-07T18:19:02&media=Photo&sz=36584&dest=ak&trF=MXDL102&ofn=Mexico%2bMinister%2bResigns.JPEG&fmt=jpg&relativeUrl=jpg/2016/201609/07/c0364b0599f14c079c8f1ee0d78713a2.jpg&s3Key=versions/preview-v00.jpg&authToken=eNoti7sOwyAMAL8IZOPwGpD6K4UQyUNDBEHN4I8v Q5db7k7qkxw5iEjREwFA8MZL4VSA3JbBqhgPVFsBr2IJh8JaYf fBI72NNN7XDpZkjlTaeXfO8259vPIcfNaxMHivXZf2kckrRnAk 1zf9BVoQvpI12mmDRgf7A4LRLVM%3d)
"There are voices that are already promoting a strategy of conflict, confrontations, and even insult," Videgaray said (https://apnews.com/9a2a429e77184944acd6b74191372c53). "Others predict a shameful submission."
"Mexico will not choose either of these false solutions," he added (https://apnews.com/9a2a429e77184944acd6b74191372c53), but would instead opt for "intelligence and dignity, opening the doors to dialogue."
"But I want to make clear, and we would make clear in all of our dialogue ... those millions of Mexicans who have migrated to find work, they are not criminals, but they are productive people, who represent in the majority of their cases the best of Mexico," he continued.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-luis-videgaray-foreign-minister-trump-border-wall-2017-1

[ximmy]

California wants to continue being Bt-fked by Mexico...

We enjoy to have Mexican sperm in our anus... will fight wall.

California Lt. Gov Vows To Block Trump’s Wall “By Any Means”
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California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom has vowed to do everything in his power to block Trump’s plan to build a wall along the Mexican border.
In an interview (http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-california-can-stop-the-border-wall-1484000044-htmlstory.html) with the LA Times, Newsom says he will take advantage of various environmental laws at his disposal to stop Trump in his tracks and sabotage his plans for building the controversial wall.


Breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/01/11/california-lt-gov-well-stop-trumps-wall-environmental-suits/) reports:
“There’s something called CEQA in California—NEPA at the federal level,” Newsom told the podcast host. “There’s indigenous lands and autonomies relating to governance on those lands. There are all kinds of obstructions as it relates to just getting zoning approval and getting building permits. All those things could be made very, very challenging for the administration.”

Newsom hinted that if he could not actually stop the construction of the border wall in California, he would at least try to tie it up in bureaucratic battles.
Trump’s border wall is reportedly in the works, as he explained at a press conference at Trump Tower today that he would not be waiting on payment from Mexico and begin construction immediately.
“I could wait about a year and a half until we finish our negotiations with Mexico, which will start immediately after we get into office,” Trump said as Breitbart News reported (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/11/trump-on-the-us-mexico-border-wall-were-going-to-start-building/) earlier. “But I don’t want to wait. Mike Pence is leading an effort to get final approvals through various agencies and through Congress for the wall to begin.”
“I don’t feel like waiting a year or year and a half. We’re going to start building,” Trump continued.
“Mexico, in some form, and there are many different forms, will reimburse us. And they will reimburse us for the cost of the wall,” Trump said. “That will happen, whether it’s a tax or whether it’s a payment. Probably less likely that it’s a payment. But it will happen.”


http://investmentwatchblog.com/california-lt-gov-vows-to-block-trumps-wall-by-any-means/

[Joshua01]

Just build the wall all along the Komiefornia east border and the world will be right again!

[Jewboo]

...Bt-fked by Mexico...We enjoy to have Mexican sperm in our anus...



:rolleyes: Ximmy's editorial summary

[Horn]

Ofcourse Mexico has interest cause it can tax incoming legalized migrant workers.

They'll bypass any California plans.

[madfranks]

California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom has vowed to do everything in his power to block Trump’s plan to build a wall along the Mexican border.
In an interview (http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-california-can-stop-the-border-wall-1484000044-htmlstory.html) with the LA Times, Newsom says he will take advantage of various environmental laws at his disposal to stop Trump in his tracks and sabotage his plans for building the controversial wall.


Breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/01/11/california-lt-gov-well-stop-trumps-wall-environmental-suits/) reports:
“There’s something called CEQA in California—NEPA at the federal level,” Newsom told the podcast host. “There’s indigenous lands and autonomies relating to governance on those lands. There are all kinds of obstructions as it relates to just getting zoning approval and getting building permits. All those things could be made very, very challenging for the administration.”

Newsom hinted that if he could not actually stop the construction of the border wall in California, he would at least try to tie it up in bureaucratic battles.
Trump’s border wall is reportedly in the works, as he explained at a press conference at Trump Tower today that he would not be waiting on payment from Mexico and begin construction immediately.
“I could wait about a year and a half until we finish our negotiations with Mexico, which will start immediately after we get into office,” Trump said as Breitbart News reported (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/11/trump-on-the-us-mexico-border-wall-were-going-to-start-building/) earlier. “But I don’t want to wait. Mike Pence is leading an effort to get final approvals through various agencies and through Congress for the wall to begin.”
“I don’t feel like waiting a year or year and a half. We’re going to start building,” Trump continued.
“Mexico, in some form, and there are many different forms, will reimburse us. And they will reimburse us for the cost of the wall,” Trump said. “That will happen, whether it’s a tax or whether it’s a payment. Probably less likely that it’s a payment. But it will happen.”


http://investmentwatchblog.com/california-lt-gov-vows-to-block-trumps-wall-by-any-means/

Ridiculous - those laws only apply to the US, not to Mexico. The wall is on the border, meaning it's not in your jurisdiction. If CA does push hard, all they have to do is build the wall one inch on the Mexican side and they can't do jack shit.

[Horn]

I'm pretty sure the Fed can exorcise powers within a good distance to any U.S. border in any state, regardless of what the state wishes are.

Who is going to stop them C.H.I.P.S. patrol?

http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/chips02a_thumb.jpg

[monty]

I'm pretty sure the Fed can exorcise powers within a good distance to any U.S. border in any state, regardless of what the state wishes are.

Who is going to stop them C.H.I.P.S. patrol?

http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/chips02a_thumb.jpg

They have already demonstrated if you oppose them you will be dead.

[Ares]

California Lt. Gov Vows To Block Trump’s Wall “By Any Means”

Good luck you liberal douchebags. You didn't blink twice when Obummber used executive action and called it "National Security". Well guess what? It works both ways and nation security preventing invasion actually follows under the Constitution and the President directly.

I hope Trump stacks the 9th Circus Court choked full of conservative judges while he's office to shut these god damn cultural marxists up.

[singular_me]

last week I read that since trump became "elect", mexicans transferred around $25BN to mexico.

Until leaders scrap NAFTA and co (all world trade agreements), any proposed solutions will remain a joke

many people think they can change things at the surface to affect bottom line (afraid of chaos), but it just works the other way, and that is mainly why things are getting worse.



Ofcourse Mexico has interest cause it can tax incoming legalized migrant workers.

They'll bypass any California plans.

[monty]

Good luck you liberal douchebags. <. > I hope Trump stacks the 9th Circus Court choked full of conservative judges while he's office to shut these god damn cultural marxists up.

That would be a welcome change. The 9th circuit is the most liberal in the country.

[Ares]

That would be a welcome change. The 9th circuit is the most liberal in the country.

There are currently four vacancies at the 9th Circus Court and Cultural Marxist's are panicing. :)

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/01/03/liberals-panic-trump-flip-left-leaning-ninth-circuit/

[singular_me]

will the wall really help???

protectionist war in sight
http://presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/13/506060/Mexico-US-border-tax



last week I read that since trump became "elect", mexicans transferred around $25BN to mexico.

Until leaders scrap NAFTA and co (all world trade agreements), any proposed solutions will remain a joke

many people think they can change things at the surface to affect bottom line (afraid of chaos), but it just works the other way, and that is mainly why things are getting worse.

[hoarder]

History has proven that Mexico and Mexicans routinely make agreements they have no intention of keeping. Look into water use agreements along the Rio Grande.

[Spectrism]

The world is full of leeches, ticks, fleas, tapeworms, and lice. They will find ways to suck life from the people who have been blessed by God to take part in building the earth-sojourning church. When these blood suckers detract from the mission of the people who were blessed, one of two things will happen: 1) The blessed people will refuse to be pillaged and shut the evil ones out, or 2) God will send pestilence upon those He previously blessed because they lost their mission.

There is a complicating issue that also mixes into this. America, as is true for all nations, has been infiltrated by devils which have neutralized the growth of the church on a large scale. This will be the condition which forces the followers of Messiah to separate from the rest of the world. But we will also see great power concentrated within the small groups.

[Horn]

will the wall really help???

protectionist war in sight
http://presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/13/506060/Mexico-US-border-tax

There ya go, that's the end game.

Every central bank has an excuse now to tax their populations with impunity.

Bankers themselves must be rejoicing, the angle was finally found.

[Horn]

Trump is a dumb pushover,

12 minutes in he Definitively defends the DNC saying they should have better hacking defense to do their corruption work within.

If there were any sense he would only touch on it lightly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gVBK_eGlqU

[Jewboo]

https://i.imgur.com/oD9gp.gif

[singular_me]

unless many americans accept to work for 4 or 5 dollars/hr, this protectionist war will not lead anywhere but a market crash. But even without it, the global economy is a trap anyway. Cumulative double whammy in sight.

But at least, we 'll have a culprit: MEXICO


Mexico Launches Social Media Campaign Against US Products
28 January 2017 GMT
https://sputniknews.com/latam/201701271050050829-mexico-launches-adiosstarbucks-campaign/






will the wall really help???

protectionist war in sight
http://presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/13/506060/Mexico-US-border-tax

[Spectrism]

unless many americans accept to work for 4 or 5 dollars/hr, this protectionist war will not lead anywhere but a market crash. But even without it, the global economy is a trap anyway. Cumulative double whammy in sight.

But at least, we 'll have a culprit: MEXICO


Mexico Launches Social Media Campaign Against US Products
28 January 2017 GMT
https://sputniknews.com/latam/201701271050050829-mexico-launches-adiosstarbucks-campaign/

Those jobs will be replaced by robotics. It is the design, engineering, maintenance, support and service jobs that surround manufacturing that brings valuable work.

[singular_me]

Those jobs will be replaced by robotics. It is the design, engineering, maintenance, support and service jobs that surround manufacturing that brings valuable work.

yeah, that is the point too since no americains will work for such an hourly rate... MEXICO MADE US BUY ROBOTS

[Neuro]

unless many americans accept to work for 4 or 5 dollars/hr, this protectionist war will not lead anywhere but a market crash. But even without it, the global economy is a trap anyway. Cumulative double whammy in sight.

But at least, we 'll have a culprit: MEXICO


Mexico Launches Social Media Campaign Against US Products
28 January 2017 GMT
https://sputniknews.com/latam/201701271050050829-mexico-launches-adiosstarbucks-campaign/
On the contrary American workers will do very well in coming years, if Trump stays with his protectionism, infrastructure investments and deportations plans. First of all industries will start coming back with tariffs, most capital goods manufacturers have a very small part of manual labour in overall costs nowadays mainly due to automation of production, thus with tariffs it will pay off for producers to move production where the consumers are, second the pool of available workers would shrink drastically with deportation of illegal immigrants, and third the massive infrastructure investments would require millions of workers. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years time, average salary of American industrial/infrastructure worker would approach $60-80/hour, price levels perhaps 50% higher, trade and budget in balance. But that is under condition that Trumps policies isn't obstructed primarily from the neocon republicans and the federal reserve bank.

[singular_me]

you are in complete denial of the automation of society

in EU, france, they just started having public driverless buses. It is a beginning

protectionist policies have NEVER worked throughout history. EVER. NEVER

but for many people who'd prefer to think that being sent back to stone age, yes, protectionism is an option.

Look for the movies "obsolete" and "will work for free" .



On the contrary American workers will do very well in coming years, if Trump stays with his protectionism, infrastructure investments and deportations plans. First of all industries will start coming back with tariffs, most capital goods manufacturers have a very small part of manual labour in overall costs nowadays mainly due to automation of production, thus with tariffs it will pay off for producers to move production where the consumers are, second the pool of available workers would shrink drastically with deportation of illegal immigrants, and third the massive infrastructure investments would require millions of workers. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years time, average salary of American industrial/infrastructure worker would approach $60-80/hour, price levels perhaps 50% higher, trade and budget in balance. But that is under condition that Trumps policies isn't obstructed primarily from the neocon republicans and the federal reserve bank.

[palani]

MEXICO MADE US BUY ROBOTS
Nobody made anybody do anything. When presented with choices the path generally chosen is the one selected by chaos theory.

Speaking of Kaos anyone heard from her?

[Neuro]

you are in complete denial of the automation of society

in EU, france, they just started having public driverless buses. It is a beginning

protectionist policies have NEVER worked throughout history. EVER. NEVER

but for many people who'd prefer to think that being sent back to stone age, yes, protectionism is an option.

Look for the movies "obsolete" and "will work for free" .
You sound like a mainstream economist of the last 30 years with your "never ever has protectionism worked", which policies successfully has managed to obliterate well payed working class and lower middle class jobs. It actually worked very well with protectionism prior to this Globalist free trade onslaught of humanity. The fact is that prior to the 80's the world economy was protectionist. The only people "free trade" has benefitted since then is the ultra rich!

You are a hypocrite Goldie!

[Spectrism]

You sound like a mainstream economist of the last 30 years with your "never ever has protectionism worked", which policies successfully has managed to obliterate well payed working class and lower middle class jobs. It actually worked very well with protectionism prior to this Globalist free trade onslaught of humanity. The fact is that prior to the 80's the world economy was protectionist. The only people "free trade" has benefitted since then is the ultra rich!

You are a hypocrite Goldie!

China has been totally protectionist for the last 30 years. They have done everything possible to wipe out foreign competition which brought factories to China. Once there, they copied trade secrets, designs, technology, processes. They re-routed supply chains, grabbed resources, denied foreign imports if local supply was available, subsidized shipping costs, undercut all foreign prices until they wiped out the competition. And they did this by buying our politicians.

To say protectionism doesn't work is like saying that nurseries and greenhouses don't work for starting plants. It is like saying that incubators can't be used to hatch out chickens from eggs. It is like saying that children should not be protected in a healthy family but thrown out into a village.

[Horn]

Trump will do well if he only lifts/opens the door to have foreign dollars come back home as he wishes too,

of course the U.S. will be international private property at that point, like many of Trump's international properties.

not sure yet if the FED is behind him on that one yet, they probably want to see how much steam he can get going first and raise their rates to support that international reinvestment in U.S.

Trump is not protectionist just a capitalist, any protectionist would be continue the same thing the U.S. has been doing since WWII

[Neuro]

It is like saying that children should not be protected in a healthy family but thrown out into a village.
I think that is exactly what Goldie would like.

[Horn]

only time a plant is kept in a greenhouse or child past their prime is to be harvested.

[crimethink]

protectionist policies have NEVER worked throughout history. EVER. NEVER

Delusional, as ever.

[Horn]

Proper protectionism is the hard part, nobody ever does it well except for themselves.

[singular_me]

Delusional, as ever.


Meanwhile in Mexico, Practice Has Begun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCwiYtTlkm8


Delusional... lets see: freedom is always key, because do you think mexicans would cross the border if they had economic stability in their own country or/and if they knew that the fed reserve' economic outlooks (rating agency hoax, QE, etc) were completely rigged ???

But sure, you prefer slamming whatever color instead of acknowledging that enslavement (lack of freedom) is at the core of most problems. Me delusional ???

They are going to use the cosmic law of the pendulum against westerners, the same way the west has invaded for centuries other countries, what comes around goes around

[Glass]

It will be interesting to see if there are 2 sides to this wall. I think most walls usually come with 2 sides. Then the question is, which will be the better side? The inside or the outside? And who will be on which side?

[palani]

which will be the better side? The inside or the outside?

The preferred side is the one the bullets are outgoing from rather than the side they are incoming to.

[Glass]

The preferred side is the one the bullets are outgoing from rather than the side they are incoming to.

yes, so I guess we will have to wait and see which side that is.

[Horn]

Trump is slowly arriving to the fact that only Ming had the dough and stone enough to build a Great Wall.

Shortly there afterwards Ming went south.

[palani]

only Ming had the dough and stones enough to build a Great Wall.


Fixed it for you

[Glass]

Trump is slowly arriving to the fact that only Ming had the dough and stone enough to build a Great Wall.

I heard he also used blood sweat tears and bones. But its ok, Trump ah ah, he'll save everyone of us. Mercy be!

[Spectrism]

I would design in some special features for the wall. High voltage wiring at 10 feet. Shotgun (buckshot) blast multi-directional anti-personal mines at 20 feet. Electrified razor tape at 30 feet. Cameras everywhere to record the drama in HD.

Sell the video and back stories to Mexico tv stations.... and they will pay for the wall.

[palani]

How about a 500 mile long free trade zone mini-mall instead?

Benefit would be construction and employment + trade on both sides of the border.

Make it 1/4 mile deep in Mexico and 1/4 mile deep in the U.S. border states.

[Dogman]

How about a 500 mile long free trade zone mini-mall instead?

Benefit would be construction and employment + trade on both sides of the border.

Make it 1/4 mile deep in Mexico and 1/4 mile deep in the U.S. border states.

Has some merit

In a sort of convulted way,

But no cigar overall, when it comes to crops picked, and jobs too demeaning but could be handled by citizens.



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[Spectrism]

Even HEAVEN has a wall around it with a controlled gate. Those unworthy shall not enter. Best be worthy.

[Horn]

I never heard of a heavenly wall, just the pearly gate.

Assumed if u went either side of the gate u just fell back down to purgatory place near the moon.

[Spectrism]

I never heard of a heavenly wall, just the pearly gate.

Assumed if u went either side of the gate u just fell back down to purgatory place near the moon.

I have to say that I don't recall a wall either, but what is a wall but a separation?

"Heaven" is the word translated for a few things- like skies, the space above the earth, and the dwelling place of God.

There is mention of the Heaven of heaven and the holy heaven. Holy means set apart. It is a place of purity set apart from all else. It has a barrier. I called it a wall, but it is more likely more than a wall. And if there are gates, what ware they connected to?

[Horn]

First SpectoFonzerella jumped the shark, then he built a wall around heaven.