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Cebu_4_2
9th February 2017, 04:43 PM
Appeals court upholds ruling blocking Trump's immigration order
Published February 09, 2017 FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/) Print
(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/09/appeals-court-upholds-ruling-blocking-trumps-immigration-order.html#)
BREAKING: A federal appeals court in San Francisco upheld the suspension of President Trump's controversial immigration order Thursday -- a decision that could end up in front of the Supreme Court.
The panel of three judges on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals refused to reinstate the order after a federal judge had issued a halt to the order last week.
Trump issued the executive order, which placed a 90-day pause on immigrants from Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and Sudan, on Jan. 27, causing chaos and outrage at airports across the country. The order also imposed a 120-day pause on all refugees, and an indefinite pause on refugees from Syria.
The case was given to the appeals court after a Seattle federal judge last week ordered a halt to Trump’s order. Judge James Robart issued a temporary restraining order after Washington state and Minnesota both sued. Attorneys from the Justice Department appealed Robart’s ruling, arguing that the president’s executive power gives him the authority to place restrictions on people coming into the country.
It is possible the case will next be reviewed by the Supreme Court, although Trump’s nominee for its vacant seat, Judge Neil Gorsuch, is unlikely to be in place by the time it would reach the court. It is also possible that if it goes to the high court, by that time the temporary restrictions would have expired.
Supporters of Trump's order argue it will help keep America safe from terrorists looking to infiltrate the United States from terror hotspots that often have inadequate vetting procedures. Opponents have argued it is unconstitutional and discriminatory – claiming that it is a “Muslim ban” and that it has harmed individuals and businesses.
During arguments before the court, Washington state Solicitor General Noah Purcell argued that Trump campaign statements about a Muslim ban showed discriminatory intent.
"There are statements that we've quoted in our complaint that are rather shocking evidence of intent to discriminate against Muslims, given that we haven't even had any discovery yet to find out what else might have been said in private," Purcell said.
Trump had been outspoken in his criticism of the case, calling Robart a “so-called judge” on Twitter, and on Wednesday warning that “if the U.S. does not win this case as it so obviously should, we can never have the security and safety to which we are entitled.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
EE_
9th February 2017, 04:45 PM
I can't believe how political the justice system has become. God help them if we are attacked in the near future, the blood will be on their hands.
Trump should address the country right now and apologize that he is unable to keep the country safe because these liberal judges chose their liberal agenda to stop Trump, over the constitution.
JohnQPublic
9th February 2017, 04:51 PM
It could get interesting the next few days...
boogietillyapuke
9th February 2017, 05:07 PM
Open the door and let em all in.......the only INS which handles visas from the named countries is Seattle. Give CBP two additional people to aid in the processing of the increased entry visas.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 05:19 PM
I told you so.
There was no chance the Bolshevists of the Ninth Circus were going to support America.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 05:23 PM
I can't believe how political the justice system has become. God help them if we are attacked in the near future, the blood will be on their hands.
Trump should address the country right now and apologize that he is unable to keep the country safe because these liberal judges chose their liberal agenda to stop Trump, over the constitution.
Uh, no.
Trump should address the nation and tell everyone that he is ignoring "the courts" and will continue to do what the Constitution and the US Code empowers - nay, requires - him to do.
There is no explanation for this cowardice, except that this is all by design, with his conscious cooperation. Purpose? The coup de grace of America.
Might as well let the Mexican woman stay, since she is far less a threat than the Mooslim scum flooding in by court order.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 05:49 PM
Exclusive: Syria’s Assad tells Yahoo News some refugees are ‘definitely’ terrorists
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-syrias-assad-tells-yahoo-news-some-refugees-are-definitely-terrorists-182401926.html
Atocha
9th February 2017, 05:50 PM
Uh, no.
Trump should address the nation and tell everyone that he is ignoring "the courts" and will continue to do what the Constitution and the US Code empowers - nay, requires - him to do.
There is no explanation for this cowardice, except that this is all by design, with his conscious cooperation. Purpose? The coup de grace of America.
Might as well let the Mexican woman stay, since she is far less a threat than the Mooslim scum flooding in by court order.
F-ing agreed. He needs to go "Andrew Jackson" on their ass. I am absolutely disheartened.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 05:51 PM
Keep in mind, this is the Crump/Tillerson State Department...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/9/refugees-entering-us-doubled-rate-ruling-trump-tra/
The State Department has more than doubled the rate of refugees from Iraq, Syria and other suspect countries in the week since a federal judge’s reprieve, in what analysts said appears to be a push to admit as many people as possible before another court puts the program back on ice.
A staggering 77 percent of the 1,100 refugees let in since Judge James L. Robart’s Feb. 3 order have been from the seven suspect countries. Nearly a third are from Syria alone — a country that Mr. Trump has ordered be banned altogether from the refugee program. Another 21 percent are from Iraq. By contrast, in the two weeks before Judge Robart’s order, just 9 percent of refugees were from Syria and 6 percent were from Iraq.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 05:52 PM
F-ing agreed. He needs to go "Andrew Jackson" on their ass. I am absolutely disheartened.
See my post immediately below yours, and put it in the context of my second sentence.
EE_
9th February 2017, 05:57 PM
Uh, no.
Trump should address the nation and tell everyone that he is ignoring "the courts" and will continue to do what the Constitution and the US Code empowers - nay, requires - him to do.
There is no explanation for this cowardice, except that this is all by design, with his conscious cooperation. Purpose? The coup de grace of America.
Might as well let the Mexican woman stay, since she is far less a threat than the Mooslim scum flooding in by court order.
If Trump ignored the courts and did that, and lost to the Supreme Court, would he be impeached?
Cebu_4_2
9th February 2017, 06:16 PM
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SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!
Cebu_4_2
9th February 2017, 06:20 PM
If Trump ignored the courts and did that, and lost to the Supreme Court, would he be impeached?
Don't matter one grain of sand. This is grand 3D chess and the play has begun. Chess is a long time game and 3D chess is longer. Those that thought this would be solved in mere hours are the fools. Lose a pawn, no biggie. Just wait for checkmate!
Atocha
9th February 2017, 06:59 PM
Don't matter one grain of sand. This is grand 3D chess and the play has begun. Chess is a long time game and 3D chess is longer. Those that thought this would be solved in mere hours are the fools. Lose a pawn, no biggie. Just wait for checkmate!
Also agree. Let the game play out..... Let the river run.... Sometimes it is a bitch though.
Atocha
9th February 2017, 07:02 PM
If Trump ignored the courts and did that, and lost to the Supreme Court, would he be impeached?
Crimethink and Palini know the intricancy of the law. They already know the answer.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 07:36 PM
If Trump ignored the courts and did that, and lost to the Supreme Court, would he be impeached?
Question 1: is the ban on the foreigners truly necessary?
Question 2: if the answer to the above is yes, then concern about impeachment is irrelevant.
The House of Representatives can impeach the President for whatever they deem fit. Will they? No.
The three branches are constitutional equals, with the Congress being first among equals. If the President ignores inferior courts to enforce an order of lawful authority, there is no constitutional crisis. If he ignored the Supreme Court, then there is constitutional crisis.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 07:39 PM
Don't matter one grain of sand. This is grand 3D chess and the play has begun. Chess is a long time game and 3D chess is longer. Those that thought this would be solved in mere hours are the fools. Lose a pawn, no biggie. Just wait for checkmate!
Is the national security of the United States just a game?
Trump is giving ammunition to the enemies of America by refusing to enforce the lawful order. "Obviously," the ban is "unnecessary" if he won't take any risk to enforce it.
Atocha
9th February 2017, 07:47 PM
Question 1: is the ban on the foreigners truly necessary?
Question 2: if the answer to the above is yes, then concern about impeachment is irrelevant.
The House of Representatives can impeach the President for whatever they deem fit. Will they? No.
The three branches are constitutional equals, with the Congress being first among equals. If the President ignores inferior courts to enforce an order of lawful authority, there is no constitutional crisis. If he ignored the Supreme Court, then there is constitutional crisis.
That's it. The intricacy of the law. Only if he ignored the Supreme Court would there be a problem. He should ignore the 9th distric Federal. Beautiful answer and absolutley correct.
PatColo
9th February 2017, 08:29 PM
it's all quite the charade! the dinjoo-nuffins orchestrate a slew of FF/hoaxes blamed on moolzums, most prominently 911; then wreck said moozems countries "in response" to said dinjoo-nuffins own sloppy FF deception attempts; then dinjooz send refugee mulzems flooding into white countries to culturally genocide those white countries & clear the way for "greater izzy", meanwhile refusing the very mulzem refugees they themselves created through all their treachery & deception, entry/resettlement into izzy whatsoever...
now our new prez, going along with the (((script))), tries to block the scariest pretend-mulzem-ter'sts from traveling to USA-- rather than blocking nationals from the (((global kingpin of terrorism country))), pretending he doesn't know the dinjooz have been orchestrating all the scary (((JSM))) hyped attacks... now Trump's attempt gets blocked by an (((activist court))), enraging a bunch of dinjoo-wise half truthers who "support trump."
wake me up when DT cuts all US "foreign aid" to izzy, incl mil, and deports & blocks all izzy nationals & duals from USA.
TroyOz
9th February 2017, 08:48 PM
After the US/NATO/Israel destroyed 7 ME/N.African countries, killed probably millions of innocent people, created millions of homeless, and ruined the lives of 10's of millions - I think it would be wise to not let these pissed-off people into your country. The reality is 'We The People' have no say in these matters - no amount of protest stopped the invasion of Iraq, these wars are the doings of the "Destroyers" that rule over the people. For Trump to at least have the sense to temporarily banned these refugees and displaced people is in the best interest of the people of the US. But, the only solution is to stop the wars.
http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/trump-must-break-judicial-power/
LAW OF THE LAND
Trump must break judicial power
Pat Buchanan: 'A clipping of the court's wings is long overdue'
“Disheartening and demoralizing,” wailed Judge Neil Gorsuch of President Trump’s comments about the judges seeking to overturn his 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from the Greater Middle East war zones.
What a wimp. Did our future justice break down crying like Sen. Chuck Schumer? Sorry, this is not Antonin Scalia. And just what horrible thing had our president said?
A “so-called judge” blocked the travel ban, said Trump. And the arguments in court, where 9th Circuit appellate judges were hearing the government’s appeal, were “disgraceful.” “A bad student in high school would have understood the arguments better.”
Did the president disparage a couple of judges? Yep.
Yet compare his remarks to the tweeted screeds of Elizabeth Warren after her Senate colleague, Jeff Sessions, was confirmed as attorney general.
Sessions, said Warren, represents “radical hatred.” And if he makes “the tiniest attempt to bring his racism, sexism & bigotry” into the Department of Justice, “all of us” will pile on.
Now this is hate speech. And it validates Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s decision to use Senate rules to shut her down.
These episodes reveal much about America 2017.
They reflect, first, the poisoned character of our politics. The language of Warren – that Sessions is steeped in “racism, sexism & bigotry” – echoes the ugliest slander of the Hillary Clinton campaign, where she used similar words to describe Trump’s “deplorables.”
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Such language, reflecting as it does the beliefs of one-half of America about the other, rules out any rapprochement in America’s social or political life. This is pre-civil war language.
For how do you sit down and work alongside people you believe to be crypto-Nazis, Klansmen and fascists? Apparently, you don’t. Rather, you vilify them, riot against them, deny them the right to speak or to be heard.
And such conduct is becoming common on campuses today.
As for Trump’s disparagement of the judges, only someone ignorant of history can view that as frightening.
Thomas Jefferson not only refused to enforce the Alien & Sedition Acts of President John Adams, his party impeached Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase, who had presided over one of the trials.
Jackson defied Chief Justice John Marshall’s prohibition against moving the Cherokees out of Georgia to west of the Mississippi, where, according to the Harvard resume of Sen. Warren, one of them bundled fruitfully with one of her ancestors, making her part Cherokee.
When Chief Justice Roger Taney declared that President Abraham Lincoln’s suspension of the writ of habeas corpus violated the Constitution, Lincoln considered sending U.S. troops to arrest the chief justice.
FDR proposed adding six justices to emasculate a Supreme Court of the “nine old men” he reviled for having declared some New Deal schemes unconstitutional.
President Eisenhower called his Supreme Court choices Earl Warren and William Brennan two of the “worst mistakes” he made as president. History bears Ike out. And here we come to the heart of the matter.
Whether the roll-out of the president’s temporary travel ban was ill-prepared or not, and whether one agrees or not about which nations or people should be subjected to extreme vetting, the president’s authority in the matter of protecting the borders and keeping out those he sees as potentially dangerous is universally conceded.
That a district judge would overrule the president of the United States on a matter of border security in wartime is absurd.
What do YOU think? What should be Trump’s No. 1 priority? Sound off in today’s WND poll!
When politicians don black robes and seize powers they do not have, they should be called out for what they are – usurpers and petty tyrants. And if there is a cause upon which the populist right should unite, it is that elected representatives and executives make the laws and rule the nation. Not judges, and not justices.
Indeed, one of the mightiest forces that has birthed the new populism that imperils the establishment is that unelected justices like Warren and Brennan, and their progeny on the bench, have remade our country without the consent of the governed – and with never having been smacked down by Congress or the president.
Consider. Secularist justices de-Christianized our country. They invented new rights for vicious criminals as though criminal justice were a game. They tore our country apart with idiotic busing orders to achieve racial balance in public schools. They turned over centuries of tradition and hundreds of state, local and federal laws to discover that the rights to an abortion and same-sex marriage were there in Madison’s Constitution all along. We just couldn’t see them.
Trump has warned the judges that if they block his travel ban, and this results in preventable acts of terror on American soil, they will be held accountable. As rightly they should.
Meanwhile, Trump’s White House should use the arrogant and incompetent conduct of these federal judges to make the case not only for creating a new Supreme Court, but for Congress to start using Article III, Section 2, of the Constitution – to restrict the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, and to reclaim its stolen powers.
A clipping of the court’s wings is long overdue.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 09:01 PM
“Disheartening and demoralizing,” wailed Judge Neil Gorsuch of President Trump’s comments about the judges seeking to overturn his 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from the Greater Middle East war zones.
What a wimp. Did our future justice break down crying like Sen. Chuck Schumer? Sorry, this is not Antonin Scalia. And just what horrible thing had our president said?
Wimp? No. A man more loyal to the Cult of the Bar than the country? Yes.
What Gorsuch said is grounds for withdrawing his nomination. Trump was right that a "bad high school student" could understand the law and that his order is authorized by that law. Gorsuch should have come out and said as much. But his loyalty is to his fellows in black dresses.
vacuum
9th February 2017, 09:03 PM
I'm convinced the judiciary in this country at the federal level and above are controlled by pedo rings. That's how they maintain control on judges despite the fact that they are appointed for life. Its how they get the judges to put themselves on the line with these types of rulings.
Trump/Sessions appear to be going after pedos. Time will tell.
crimethink
9th February 2017, 09:09 PM
I'm convinced the judiciary in this country at the federal level and above are controlled by pedo rings. That's how they maintain control on judges despite the fact that they are appointed for life. Its how they get the judges to put themselves on the line with these types of rulings.
Trump/Sessions appear to be going after pedos. Time will tell.
The "judges" are intoxicated by their power, and most of them get to where they are by swearing allegiance to the Devil (Judeo-Freemasonic name: Jah-Bu-Lon). Are some of them pedophiles? Surely. But I highly doubt most of them have to be "convinced" (or threatened) to follow the (((globalist))) agenda. They were vetted during their entire career. They were nominated because their trustworthiness was beyond a reasonable doubt. Even the lionized Scalia worshiped the Talmud.
Trump and Sessions ain't gonna do shit about Pizzagate or the Washington Pedophile Apparatus that has existed since at least the Bush-Reagan administration. First, Trump is involved in it, and second, touching upon that is cause for immediate assassination by its ringleaders.
midnight rambler
9th February 2017, 09:13 PM
I'm convinced the judiciary in this country at the federal level and above are controlled by pedo rings.
Not just pedo rings, many are fucking Satan worshiping brethren in Freemasonry.
vacuum
9th February 2017, 09:17 PM
The judge who halted Trump's seven nation travel ban was the president of Seattle Children's Home - a now shut down children's charity which was run in part by Dr David Scratchley who was arrested for raping a 10 year old boy.
February 7, 2017
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e68ee4_adbada8c437c478781c5172f148daac3%7Emv2.png/v1/fill/w_630,h_450,al_c,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/e68ee4_adbada8c437c478781c5172f148daac3%7Emv2.png
http://www.afteractionreporting.com/single-post/2017/02/06/The-judge-who-halted-Trumps-seven-nation-travel-ban-was-the-president-of-Seattle-Childrens-Home---a-now-shut-down-childrens-charity-which-was-run-in-part-by-Dr-David-Scratchley-who-was-arrested-for-raping-a-10-year-old-boy
TroyOz
9th February 2017, 09:26 PM
Trump and Sessions ain't gonna do shit about Pizzagate or the Washington Pedophile Apparatus that has existed since at least the Bush-Reagan administration. First, Trump is involved in it, and second, touching upon that is cause for immediate assassination by its ringleaders.
We'll know soon if the Pedophile Ring gets legally pursued. I don't think Trump is involved in pedophilia - which at its root is a gay man thing. There are others, sure, but gay's are notorious. I personally don't think Trump is hypersexual - he seems fairly restrained on that level.
Horn
9th February 2017, 09:48 PM
wake me up when DT cuts all US "foreign aid" to izzy, incl mil, and deports & blocks all izzy nationals & duals from USA.
When Mr. Helpman spells out the code that Sam's father used to get to Helpman's floor on the elevator, the letters are ERE I AM JH. When you rearrange those letters it spells JEREMIAH, Sam's father's name.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/trivia
vacuum
10th February 2017, 12:12 AM
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Cebu_4_2
10th February 2017, 07:02 AM
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3D chess... As some just think Trump is stupid, this shows them they haven't played chess against a winner. If they don't understand this simple tidbit I bet they never played chess.
Joshua01
10th February 2017, 07:36 AM
Why am I not the least bit surprised at this? This is a prime example of the vermin that will need to be cleaned up on the Day of the Rope. Judgement cometh, and that right quick!
The judge who halted Trump's seven nation travel ban was the president of Seattle Children's Home - a now shut down children's charity which was run in part by Dr David Scratchley who was arrested for raping a 10 year old boy.
February 7, 2017
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e68ee4_adbada8c437c478781c5172f148daac3%7Emv2.png/v1/fill/w_630,h_450,al_c,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/e68ee4_adbada8c437c478781c5172f148daac3%7Emv2.png
http://www.afteractionreporting.com/single-post/2017/02/06/The-judge-who-halted-Trumps-seven-nation-travel-ban-was-the-president-of-Seattle-Childrens-Home---a-now-shut-down-childrens-charity-which-was-run-in-part-by-Dr-David-Scratchley-who-was-arrested-for-raping-a-10-year-old-boy
Cebu_4_2
10th February 2017, 07:43 AM
Why am I not the least bit surprised at this? This is a prime example of the vermin that will need to be cleaned up on the Day of the Rope. Judgement cometh, and that right quick!
Not a day is forgotten with the Trump empire chess game.
madfranks
10th February 2017, 07:48 AM
I told you so.
There was no chance the Bolshevists of the Ninth Circus were going to support America.
I concede you were totally correct. Here's the thing: I understand that Obama issued an EO and temporarily blocked moslem refugees from the middle east, as did Bush, as did Clinton, all the way back to Carter if I remember correctly. I kept asking myself, what exactly makes Trump's EO any different than the ones his predecessors made? And I made the mistake of thinking we still had a modicum of rule of law in this country. I should have known better.
Cebu_4_2
10th February 2017, 07:51 AM
I concede you were totally correct. Here's the thing: I understand that Obama issued an EO and temporarily blocked moslem refugees from the middle east, as did Bush, as did Clinton, all the way back to Carter if I remember correctly. I kept asking myself, what exactly makes Trump's EO any different than the ones his predecessors made? And I made the mistake of thinking we still had a modicum of rule of law in this country. I should have known better.
Just sit on the sideline and watch as most of us do. Nothing we can do but watch. Chess is a slow yet VERY stressful game.
Ares
10th February 2017, 08:27 AM
What Trump should do is recind the executive order making the current one moot, issue a new one prohibiting all immigration for a year until the vetting system can be fixed. Also putting explicit instructions in the executive order that the judicial branch lacks jurisdiction to question the POTUS due to him being elected. Also put in a warning that any Judge who attempts to rule against that executive order will be brought before congress for impeachment and removed from the bench for violating the separation of powers.
Joshua01
10th February 2017, 08:28 AM
What Trump should do is recind the executive order, issue a new one prohibiting all immigration for a year until the getting system can be fixed. Also putting explicit instructions in the executive order that the judicial branch lacks jurisdiction to question the POTUS due to him being elected. Also put in a warning that any Judge who attempts to rule against that executive order will be brought before congress for impeachment and removed from the bench.
Me thinks Trump is a player who holds his cards close to the vest. I'm sure he knows what options he has but, as many of us here have said, he seems to be a great chess player
PatColo
10th February 2017, 08:43 AM
I understand that Obama issued an EO and temporarily blocked moslem refugees from the middle east
ALL NATIONALS from said countries... be they mulzums, CHRISTIANS, dinjoo nuffins, buddhists, etc. IIRC particularly Syria has a vast Christian population.
This EO (((debacle))), invented/propagated by (((kof kof!!))), would've been a good opportunity to edumbakate (most) murkans about the religious diversity in these countries, #2 religion in all cases being Christians, and their long time happy coexistence... offsetting 'mukan's lifelong (((brainwashing))) re how all these countries (ex our only true friend, dinjoo-occupied Palestine, of course :rolleyes:) are islamofascist... A quick DT tweet reminding, and pointing to a credible source re the religious demographics of these countries, would've done wonders in eroding public support for the next wars izzy tries to deceive us into.
Speaking of "(((said countries)))", remember Gen Wes Clark on Democracy Now, telling of how he was told just 10 days after 9/11 of the (((master plan for destruction of the ME))) ???
2m:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM
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(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM) Gen Wesley Clark Reveals US Plan To Invade Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, And Iran (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM)
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General Wesley Clark: Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the ...
crimethink
10th February 2017, 10:12 AM
We'll know soon if the Pedophile Ring gets legally pursued. I don't think Trump is involved in pedophilia - which at its root is a gay man thing. There are others, sure, but gay's are notorious. I personally don't think Trump is hypersexual - he seems fairly restrained on that level.
Trump's strong association with Epstein is known. While I do not believe Trump is into boys at all - he loves women too much - I do not find it out of the question that he likes "fresh" girls, 13-15 yo.
As for being hypersexual, I think that description does fit him...at least in his younger years. The quintessential playboy.
crimethink
10th February 2017, 10:15 AM
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A complete load of shit. Only a True Believer could write that.
Crump is a salesman, not a master politician or a polished shyster.
crimethink
10th February 2017, 10:18 AM
I concede you were totally correct. Here's the thing: I understand that Obama issued an EO and temporarily blocked moslem refugees from the middle east, as did Bush, as did Clinton, all the way back to Carter if I remember correctly. I kept asking myself, what exactly makes Trump's EO any different than the ones his predecessors made? And I made the mistake of thinking we still had a modicum of rule of law in this country. I should have known better.
It's OK. Due to California "gun control," I'm too well-versed with the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals. If it sounds like it came out of the Soviet Union, the Ninth Circus will decree it.
TroyOz
10th February 2017, 10:37 AM
Trump's strong association with Epstein is known. While I do not believe Trump is into boys at all - he loves women too much - I do not find it out of the question that he likes "fresh" girls, 13-15 yo.
As for being hypersexual, I think that description does fit him...at least in his younger years. The quintessential playboy.
Trump personally banned Epstein from stepping on Mara-A-Lago property in 1999, when he got word of Epstein trying to entice young women to his home.
None of us really know the private life of Trump in his younger years. Even surrounded by beauty pageant types and super models, there doesn't seem to be credible accusations of unwanted sexual advances. Many people who were close to him (his butler) say he was very family oriented. Since he was not a drinker or drug user, it would make sense that he didn't do other illegal or immoral activities that would personally damage him. I give him the benefit of the doubt based on his personal discipline.
My support for Trump is based more on the desperate shape the county is in, and that there was no one else with any guts - I think the majority of the country figured we might as well swing for the fences with Trump than go down in a whimper.
crimethink
10th February 2017, 11:09 AM
Trump personally banned Epstein from stepping on Mara-A-Lago property in 1999, when he got word of Epstein trying to entice young women to his home.
That's interesting:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/the-friendship-between-trump-and-a-billionaire-pedophile-that-nobody-wants-to-talk-about/
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
And when FBI investigators looked through Epstein’s private address book, they found 14 different phone numbers for Trump, including numbers for his security guard and houseman. Epstein also had numbers for Trump’s daughter Ivanka and his ex-wife Ivana.
When put under oath, Epstein admitted that he had “socialized” with Trump. But Epstein chose to exercise his Fifth Amendment rights when asked: “Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?” Epstein similarly pleaded the fifth when asked about his relationship to Bill Clinton.
None of us really know the private life of Trump in his younger years. Even surrounded by beauty pageant types and super models, there doesn't seem to be credible accusations of unwanted sexual advances. Many people who were close to him (his butler) say he was very family oriented. Since he was not a drinker or drug user, it would make sense that he didn't do other illegal or immoral activities that would personally damage him. I give him the benefit of the doubt based on his personal discipline.
There is no reasonable doubt Trump was a playboy in his younger years.
My support for Trump is based more on the desperate shape the county is in, and that there was no one else with any guts - I think the majority of the country figured we might as well swing for the fences with Trump than go down in a whimper.
Are we better off with Crump over Her Majesty? I am very sorry to say, that is yet to be seen. Zionist stooge Crump is moving us towards war just as quickly as we figured she would. Any "benefits" from Crump at this time remain ephemeral or superficial. The Treasury Department is (going to be) run by Goldman Sachs. Elimination of the outrageous elements of Obamacare is continuously "postponed." He's backed down on stopping the invasion of America by Mooslim thugs. He's nominated a SCOTUS appointee whose loyalty is to the Cult of the Bar, not the country. I could go on.
People are lapping up the feces advertised as chocolate pudding, failing to understand it's just as much shit as what the leftists excrete into public life.
Ares
10th February 2017, 01:58 PM
Well here is something to consider, just abolish the 9th circuit court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4H8gy27GdQ
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4H8gy27GdQ
Joshua01
10th February 2017, 02:07 PM
Keep digging Fred. You find something on the Trumpinator!!!
That's interesting:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/the-friendship-between-trump-and-a-billionaire-pedophile-that-nobody-wants-to-talk-about/
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
And when FBI investigators looked through Epstein’s private address book, they found 14 different phone numbers for Trump, including numbers for his security guard and houseman. Epstein also had numbers for Trump’s daughter Ivanka and his ex-wife Ivana.
When put under oath, Epstein admitted that he had “socialized” with Trump. But Epstein chose to exercise his Fifth Amendment rights when asked: “Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?” Epstein similarly pleaded the fifth when asked about his relationship to Bill Clinton.
There is no reasonable doubt Trump was a playboy in his younger years.
Are we better off with Crump over Her Majesty? I am very sorry to say, that is yet to be seen. Zionist stooge Crump is moving us towards war just as quickly as we figured she would. Any "benefits" from Crump at this time remain ephemeral or superficial. The Treasury Department is (going to be) run by Goldman Sachs. Elimination of the outrageous elements of Obamacare is continuously "postponed." He's backed down on stopping the invasion of America by Mooslim thugs. He's nominated a SCOTUS appointee whose loyalty is to the Cult of the Bar, not the country. I could go on.
People are lapping up the feces advertised as chocolate pudding, failing to understand it's just as much shit as what the leftists excrete into public life.
Joshua01
10th February 2017, 02:07 PM
Works for me, where do I sign?
Well here is something to consider, just abolish the 9th circuit court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4H8gy27GdQ
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4H8gy27GdQ
cheka.
10th February 2017, 02:11 PM
That's interesting:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/the-friendship-between-trump-and-a-billionaire-pedophile-that-nobody-wants-to-talk-about/
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine for a 2002 profile of Epstein. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
And when FBI investigators looked through Epstein’s private address book, they found 14 different phone numbers for Trump, including numbers for his security guard and houseman. Epstein also had numbers for Trump’s daughter Ivanka and his ex-wife Ivana.
When put under oath, Epstein admitted that he had “socialized” with Trump. But Epstein chose to exercise his Fifth Amendment rights when asked: “Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?” Epstein similarly pleaded the fifth when asked about his relationship to Bill Clinton.
There is no reasonable doubt Trump was a playboy in his younger years.
Are we better off with Crump over Her Majesty? I am very sorry to say, that is yet to be seen. Zionist stooge Crump is moving us towards war just as quickly as we figured she would. Any "benefits" from Crump at this time remain ephemeral or superficial. The Treasury Department is (going to be) run by Goldman Sachs. Elimination of the outrageous elements of Obamacare is continuously "postponed." He's backed down on stopping the invasion of America by Mooslim thugs. He's nominated a SCOTUS appointee whose loyalty is to the Cult of the Bar, not the country. I could go on.
People are lapping up the feces advertised as chocolate pudding, failing to understand it's just as much shit as what the leftists excrete into public life.
there are a few positives:
1. tariff talk, once skyped to the graveyard, has returned
2. more white people standing up for themselves against skype onslaught - rejecting their fake media, and their hoards of deviants
3. more daggers tossed into the corpse that was globalist warming
4. inciting public to revolt against some of the globalist trade deals
crimethink
10th February 2017, 03:04 PM
there are a few positives:
1. tariff talk, once skyped to the graveyard, has returned
I'm waiting to see it. Especially that it lasts more than a "for show" period.
2. more white people standing up for themselves against skype onslaught - rejecting their fake media, and their hoards of deviants
Or, White people have been falsely lulled into a false sense of safety, now that "their" (sic) guy is in power, exposing themselves. The byproduct of the Trump/"alt-right" movement has been a wholesale targeting of pro-White/pro-America thought and expression to a degree not before seen, in real life and in cyberspace. It could be unintentional, or, it could be a masterstroke of counterintelligence.
3. more daggers tossed into the corpse that was globalist warming
We shall see. I read that the White House is actually entertaining a "carbon tax" proposal. Tillerson was on-board with such bullshit in the past. Apparently, Ivanka is a big cheerleader.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/08/republican-insiders-push-carbon-tax-white-house-meeting/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442995/rex-tillerson-carbon-tax-backing-climate-change-believer
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/307696-ivanka-trump-is-our-best-hope-on-climate-change
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-daughter-ivanka-eyes-climate-change-global-warming-father-a7451441.html
4. inciting public to revolt against some of the globalist trade deals
TPP is gone. NAFTA is under verbal attack. Are the WTO, GATT, "World Bank" or other anti-American crap in the reticle? No.
cheka.
10th February 2017, 04:50 PM
“Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.” ― Ernest Hemingway
Cebu_4_2
10th February 2017, 05:51 PM
“Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.” ― Ernest Hemingway
Names need not be mentioned.
Ares
10th February 2017, 10:27 PM
Well this is certainly taking a turn to the more interesting.
Ninth Circuit Court Now Demands It Be Protected From Itself…
Oh, the winning… it’s often too funny. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.
Additionally, the full ninth are asking the Trump administration to file an additional brief telling the court why the three member original appeals ruling authority was wrong. In essence, the smart judges know what wasn’t considered, and are now looking for an out.
You just can’t make this stuff up.
Prior to expanding the conversation, allow us to set the current stage with a few tweet optics:
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/9th-circuit-3.jpg
Wait, wha… huh? Yes, that’s the 9th circuit requesting its own judicial membership ruling to be reviewed by the entire larger 9th circuit appeals court panel. Ya think maybe they recognize they just jumped head-first into showcasing their own insufferable moonbattery…
BREAKING: 9th Circuit will be voting on whether to reconsider the 3-judge panel decision en banc. pic.twitter.com/ruXjU6PFXj
— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) February 10, 2017
Meanwhile, President Trump is saying he has no intentions to challenge the crazy:
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/9th-circuit-4.jpg
It’s a classic representative example of ‘be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it‘.
Currently, thanks to the ridiculous political judicial opinion of the 9th Circuit, the entire professional left and Democrat party are on display trying to block President Trump from protecting the American people. As a direct consequence they own any negative outcomes, including any act of terrorism, that might happen in the next several months.
Why would President Trump remove that political liability? If he’s smart, and he’s proven he is way beyond smart, he won’t.
Behind the scenes, and unrelated to the judicial ruling, President Trump can use his cabinet team to construct immigration and visa review policy that accomplishes the security goal. The Attorney General (Sessions), DHS (Kelly) and State Department (T-Rex) can execute departmental policy objectives under existing legal authority.
President Trump never really needed the majority parts of the executive order to carry out the security agenda. However, using the XO provided a highly public approach toward showing the American electorate he was fulfilling a campaign security promise. Tightening the visa approval process and executing “extreme vetting” doesn’t require anything except a policy and procedural change.
If President Trump does nothing, the underlying challenges to the Executive Order continue forward in the courts, while he gets his SCOTUS pick -Gorsuch- on the bench. If he so chooses, the DOJ can eventually bring the case to the Supreme Court, where almost everyone admits the Ninth Circuit and Judge Robarts decision will be overturned and all of the protestation from the left will have been for naught.
In the interim of the slow case proceeding, ANY instance of violence and terrorism provides President Trump the opportunity to use his bully pulpit -and Twitter- to hang the occurrence, foreign or domestic, like a millstone around the neck of Democrats up for elected office in 2018.
There is no downside on the domestic security agenda for President Trump; however, the Democrats are fraught with fear that something might just happen. Ultimately, THIS, the politics behind the entire construct, is the reason for the ninth circuit tonight asking for an en banc hearing of their own judicial ruling.
Smile, you’re worth it.
https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-complicated-business.jpg?w=640&h=382
…”Complicated business folks…. complicated business”…
Oh boy, I just can’t wait for the Trump budget.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/
crimethink
11th February 2017, 12:06 AM
“Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.” ― Ernest Hemingway
"Happiness" =/= contentment.
"Happiness" is ignorance or stupidity. Not a noble trait. Like "being nice." The root meaning of "nice" is to be stupid.
Anyone with above average intelligence combined with an honest spirit looks at this world, and mourns. How can one be "happy" looking at the mass insanity? One can be content (satisfied) with the blessings God has provided them, yet still be sad for the world. Fifth-gear on the road to Hell. Being "happy" about that indicates lunacy and/or immorality.
One who is happy with this world is a man in time. The aim is to be a man above time, or, better, beyond time. We have passed the period of men against time.
crimethink
11th February 2017, 12:16 AM
Ninth Circuit Court Now Demands It Be Protected From Itself…
That title is not honest.
"A judge" (unnamed) on the Ninth Circus - not all of them are Bolshevists - has requested the en banc hearing vote, presumably as a defense of Trump's order. An en banc hearing is the usual course of action before going to SCOTUS (which has not been ruled out by the White House, contrary to the Tweet).
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2017/02/10/17-35105_Supplemental%20Briefing%20Order.pdf
A judge on this Court has made a sua sponte request that a vote be taken as
to whether the order issued by the three judge motions panel on February 9, 2017,
should be reconsidered en banc. A sua sponte en banc call having been made, the
parties are instructed to file simultaneous briefs setting forth their respective
positions on whether this matter should be reconsidered en banc. The briefs should
be filed on or before 11:00 a.m., Pacific time, on Thursday, February 16. The
supplemental briefs shall be filed electronically and consist of no more than 14,000
words. See General Order 5.4(c)(3).
That is another "court order" (from Ninth Circuit Chief Judge Sidney Thomas) and Trump/Sessions are "instructed" to reply. It could be that Trump has a friend on the Ninth Circus, or, they are acting on their own accord. There is no reason to believe a Bolshevist is calling for this, as there is no motive to do this (they got what they wanted).
Interestingly, Thomas is headquartered in Billings, not Sodomcisco.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/breaking-9th-circuit-judge-wants-another-vote-on-trump-travel-ban-decision/
Cebu_4_2
11th February 2017, 12:52 AM
Ninth Circuit Court Now Demands It Be Protected From Itself…
A+
Your move...
Horn
11th February 2017, 07:30 AM
That is another "court order" (from Ninth Circuit Chief Judge Sidney Thomas) and Trump/Sessions are "instructed" to reply. It could be that Trump has a friend on the Ninth Circus, or, they are acting on their own accord. There is no reason to believe a Bolshevist is calling for this, as there is no motive to do this (they got what they wanted).
Interestingly, Thomas is headquartered in Billings, not Sodomcisco.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/breaking-9th-circuit-judge-wants-another-vote-on-trump-travel-ban-decision/
9 is better than 3.
This is just normal operating procedure from the system.
crimethink
11th February 2017, 10:22 AM
9 is better than 3.
This is just normal operating procedure from the system.
Normal for the parties to request en banc; not normal for a non-participating judge.
monty
11th February 2017, 01:11 PM
9th Circuit Opinion & The Texas Solution
http://youtu.be/volsdFrEvHs
https://youtu.be/volsdFrEvHs
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