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EE_

11th February 2017, 05:26 AM

Is California overdue for biblical, catastrophic flooding? History says it could be
By Katie Dowd, San Francisco Chronicle Updated 4:00 am, Friday, February 10, 2017

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Sacramento underwater due to floods in an 1862 rendering that ran in local papers. Photo: Archive
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Sacramento underwater due to floods in an 1862 rendering that ran in local papers.

Californians are always talking about the coming Big One, but what if the big one is a flood, not an earthquake?
With this recent cavalcade of rainstorms, there's been renewed interest in a 2011 USGS study on the so-called "ARkStorm." In it, the USGS lays out a case for a hypothetical "megastorm," one that could cause up to $725 billion in damage and impact a quarter of California's homes.

The ARkStorm would bring with it catastrophic rains, hurricane-force winds and hundreds of landslides. Central Valley flooding alone is projected to span 300 miles.

If that sounds far-fetched, there's historic precedent: Geological evidence indicates that California endures massive flooding caused by atmospheric rivers every 100-200 years. And settlers who moved to California after the Gold Rush soon found what the native population had known for centuries: Northern California is prime flooding territory.

The most prominent example is the Great Flood of 1862, a natural disaster that still ranks as the largest flood in the history of the American West. Between Dec. 1861 and Jan. 1862, the West Coast received a near-constant deluge of rain. Sacramento received a stunning 23 inches in that period, turning the city into a watery ghost town.

"The people are leaving the city as rats would a sinking ship" the Red Bluff Independent wrote on Jan. 14.

As flood waters rose, it took entire houses with it. Little two-story wooden houses were carried off whole and eyewitness reports in the local papers said the flowing waters were full of furniture and dead livestock. Thirty foot-tall telegraph poles, which had recently been installed between New York and San Francisco, were fully submerged.

That was hardly the worst of it. A Tuolumne County paper reported that 1,400 Chinese migrants died in the flooding state-wide. One-third of the property in the state was destroyed and 800,000 cattle died, a mass die-off that marked "the beginning of the end of the cattle-based ranchero society in California."

Settlers realized the homes that survived had something in common: They were built in the spots where Native Americans originally put down settlements. Native stories spoke of the Sacramento Valley as an inland sea. For centuries, they'd seen the valley fill with water, and the Nevada City Democrat reported that "Indians living in the vicinity of Marysville left their abodes a week or more ago for the foothills predicting an unprecedented overflow. "

Related Video: The latest storm in the wet California winter triggered street flooding and rockslides around the San Francisco Bay Area.
South of San Francisco, one of several rock and mudslides overturned a pickup truck on a state route near Santa Cruz. (Feb. 7)
"Let these facts make a due impression, and serve as a lesson," the California Farmer and Journal of Useful Sciences wrote on Jan. 17.

When the flood waters finally receded months later, Sacramento began the seven-year process of raising its downtown 10-15 feet. Today, you can peer into the now-underground portions of J Street via skylights.

Although the 1862 flood was the biggest, it was hardly the only major flood. In 1850, the newly built city of Sacramento was nearly wiped out by floods. In 1907 and 1908, back-to-back floods submerged the entire Sacramento Valley. By the mid-1910s, Congress had authorized major flood control projects in the valley, the first flood control work authorized outside of the Mississippi Valley.

If you're thinking of moving to higher ground, you might not be remiss in doing so. The 1862 flooding was due to an atmospheric river, a long, narrow column of vapor that brings massive amounts of rain with it.

The Bay Area is currently on its fourth atmospheric river of the winter.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-due-for-biblical-flooding-arkstorm-10921370.php

Joshua01

11th February 2017, 07:21 AM

I'd rather the earthquake simply sink the whole southern part of the state into the Pacific and be done with it

Hitch

11th February 2017, 08:36 AM

Thanks EE, that's a good doom article for us in CA. Also, I never knew CA had a history of flooding like that.

I do believe there's a high probability of disaster here come spring. Our rivers and lakes are full, and our snow pack is something like 200% of normal. When that starts melting, it's going to put pressure on our failing levees. There's talk of flooding, and mixing of sea water with fresh water that supplies Southern CA. If that happens, folks could get pretty thirsty down there.

crimethink

11th February 2017, 10:09 AM

First time since construction of the dam:

Oroville Dam operators forced to emergency spillway amid rising waters; officials say public safe

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oroville-spillway-20170211-story.html

Video at link:

http://www.kcra.com/article/water-begins-to-spill-over-oroville-emergency-spillway/8732032

EE_

11th February 2017, 10:22 AM

crimethink

11th February 2017, 10:27 AM

You're ready for this one :) You'll just need to figure out who you will let on Hitch's ark when the time comes.

http://www.gifsfor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Gifs-for-Tumblr-1432.gif

Why would he bring STD incubators aboard?

EE_

11th February 2017, 10:31 AM

Why would he bring STD incubators aboard?

They're easy to throw off when you get tired of them.

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/tumblr_nkqbubtsls1tlbkh7o3_500.gif?w=500&h=281

JohnQPublic

11th February 2017, 02:59 PM

A lot of areas around and in Sacramento are below seal level. There are dykes in Sacramento area (not referring to the San San Francisco type, but they probably have those too).

EE_

11th February 2017, 04:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hhayGDxMks

Hitch

11th February 2017, 04:52 PM

They're easy to throw off when you get tired of them.

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/tumblr_nkqbubtsls1tlbkh7o3_500.gif?w=500&h=281

Oh I like her. :) But, I'm a gentleman first and foremost and all on board have my word they will be safe and well taken care of.

That being said, things could get interesting. The 'new to me' Hitch's Ark is currently out of water for repairs. After that, I'll move off my old boat and on to her. I hope to list the old boat for sale sometime this spring. For years, the market for boats has been terrible for sellers (good for buyers). I wonder if we do get massive flooding doom, the market for boats will swing the other way.

Horn

11th February 2017, 04:57 PM

Crimey, first it were drought doom, now it is flood doom.

What happened to cloud and shine doom?

Hitch

11th February 2017, 04:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hhayGDxMks

Oh Shit! This is not good at all. It's only Feb. We've got more weather coming too in a few days.

EE_

11th February 2017, 05:10 PM

Once the water is gone, it could be a good year for gold prospectors.

EE_

11th February 2017, 05:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R6p-Y8-1mw

Santa

11th February 2017, 05:23 PM

Hitch

11th February 2017, 05:42 PM

California has got to be the drama queen of the USA... The tide goes out. "OMG, we're all gonna die of thirst." The tide comes in. "OMG, we're all gonna drown."

It must be the influence of Hollywood.

It's the influence of Mother Nature. It affects you too, you know. Trump blocks off trade from Mexico, California's crop lands flooded.

You'll be paying $10 for a head of lettuce soon.

Everyone pisses on CA, until they realize that 90% of lettuce production, for the whole US, comes from CA.

crimethink

11th February 2017, 06:12 PM

Norweger

11th February 2017, 06:14 PM

Alarming considering that nature has already started to chip away at the infrastructure. No way to fix such problems until the waters stop flowing.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 06:25 PM

Stupidity must be strong with you.

Eventually, the schadenfreude will catch up with you. Or, as some say, karma.

Our state is going to flood, CT. Big time, this spring. Freebie grabbers like Santa will complain and blame CA for not supporting the nation because of our lack of food production.

It's always CA's fault.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 06:33 PM

A lot of areas around and in Sacramento are below seal level. There are dykes in Sacramento area (not referring to the San San Francisco type, but they probably have those too).

A lot bigger than Sacramento, unfortunately, a lot of the inland valley is below sea level. You can see the levees, water is 15-20 feet above the land in many areas.

These levees are failing.

I hope I'm wrong...but a sizable portion of California could be completely underwater come this spring.

EE_

11th February 2017, 06:36 PM

EE_

11th February 2017, 06:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvqLYdgQRLU

crimethink

11th February 2017, 06:53 PM

Is this bad? Happened in France. They said it was safe and not to worry.
Did you ever see how many nuclear power plants are all over Europe and Russia? Thousands!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTC3inh0k1k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrvK430qo8

Explosions and nuclear power plants are always a great combination!

Supposedly contained to the turbine hall:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-nuclear-power-plant-explosion-latest-injured-flamanville-la-manche-normandy-accident-fire-a7570876.html

"A fire resulting in a minor explosion broke out in the turbine hall on the non-nuclear part of unit one at the Flamanville nuclear power plant," a spokesperson said.

A "major explosion" must mean one in the kiloton range then.

Joshua01

11th February 2017, 07:15 PM

ANyone sense the world is coming apart at the seams this week?

Norweger

11th February 2017, 07:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_5udzKfLQM

EE_

11th February 2017, 07:30 PM

Check the semi and the cop car out. What timing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dme-zxqvTTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClSzcjWpgvk

Joshua01

11th February 2017, 07:33 PM

The West coast liberals are getting karma hand fed up their rectums. It's only going to get worse.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 07:37 PM

The West coast liberals are getting karma hand fed up their rectums. It's only going to get worse.

OK. My fists are coming up. You assholes will feel the pain from this one as well. You will. Karma will a bitch sent from CA to YOUR doorstep, punk.

Cebu_4_2

11th February 2017, 07:42 PM

OK. My fists are coming up. You assholes will feel the pain from this one as well. You will. Karma will a bitch sent from CA to YOUR doorstep, punk.

Not with your anger Pete, you feed the Devil not what you have become of yourself lately. If CA fails to deliver the US has many many states that can out produce anything CA can. Restructuring regulations and freeing up trade CA will be simply dust in the wind.

Cebu_4_2

11th February 2017, 07:43 PM

cheka.

11th February 2017, 07:48 PM

OK. My fists are coming up. You assholes will feel the pain from this one as well. You will. Karma will a bitch sent from CA to YOUR doorstep, punk.

everyone gets their turn -- hurricanes, quakes, droughts, floods, snowstorms, tornadoes. none of them should be celebrated.

did you cry for hurricane ike victims? we got hammered - thousands of homes destroyed, etc. dc federal aid was a fraction that it gave the nyc/nj for the fraudulently named superstorm sandy (so named because it was only a tiny tropical storm by time it hit - so couldn't be called hurricane sandy)

pick your poison bitchez - there's no place to hide

i hope the good people of california escape the worst case. was this geoengineered, like the drought was?

Hitch

11th February 2017, 07:50 PM

Not with your anger Pete, you feed the Devil not what you have become of yourself lately. If CA fails to deliver the US has many many states that can out produce anything CA can. Restructuring regulations and freeing up trade CA will be simply dust in the wind.

CA feeds you and all the states around you. That is a simple fact. I don't have anger at those who are ignorant, like yourself.

In CA, food is plentiful. Sharing it with the rest of you ungrateful bastards, is the challenge.

cheka.

11th February 2017, 07:52 PM

CA feeds you and all the states around you. That is a simple fact. I don't have anger at those who are ignorant, like yourself.

In CA, food is plentiful. Sharing it with the rest of you ungrateful bastards, is the challenge.

after all of the drought hype over last decade - cali, corn belt, texas ranches, etc. it is clear to anyone paying attention that the replacement food is easily offloaded at ports across the US. nobody needs cali, or corn belt, or texas beef, etc. the ports are farm backup

Cebu_4_2

11th February 2017, 07:56 PM

CA feeds you and all the states around you. That is a simple fact. I don't have anger at those who are ignorant, like yourself.

In CA, food is plentiful. Sharing it with the rest of you ungrateful bastards, is the challenge.

Don't ever tell me I am ignorant fool! You are the stupidest fuck on american soil to say that CA is the only fruit basket to supply the country. Open your clouded eyes Pete, half the country can out produce CA by 150% in the first year. Give it a couple years and you just live in your own excrement. Lets lose Mexico and BOOM the south is now the most producing segment of the country. What now brown cow?

Hitch

11th February 2017, 07:57 PM

everyone gets their turn -- hurricanes, quakes, droughts, floods, snowstorms, tornadoes. none of them should be celebrated.

pick your poison bitchez - there's no place to hide

i hope the good people of california escape the worst case. was this geoengineered, like the drought was?

Indeed. Personally, I think the worst of the worst will happen when the snow pack melts. All our lakes and reservoirs are full, now. We have levees predicted to fail...predicted. The snow hasn't melted yet.

From what I've read, it's not optimistic, and I think shit is going to hit the fan in CA come April/May. That's my doom and gloom report and prediction. Hope I'm wrong.

cheka.

11th February 2017, 07:59 PM

Don't ever tell me I am ignorant fool! You are the stupidest fuck on american soil to say that CA is the only fruit basket to supply the country. Open your clouded eyes Pete, half the country can out produce CA by 150% in the first year. Give it a couple years and you just live in your own excrement. Lets lose Mexico and BOOM the south is now the most producing segment of the country. What now brown cow?

several devastating droughts, other events, have been hyped over last 10 years about destroying US food supply. NONE proven correct. the ports have it covered. fear porn pushers destroyed

cheka.

11th February 2017, 08:00 PM

Hitch

11th February 2017, 08:01 PM

Don't ever tell me I am ignorant fool! You are the stupidest fuck on american soil to say that CA is the only fruit basket to supply the country. Open your clouded eyes Pete, half the country can out produce CA by 150% in the first year. Give it a couple years and you just live in your own excrement. Lets lose Mexico and BOOM the south is now the most producing segment of the country. What now brown cow?

You lost my trust when you lied to me. Anything you say on this forum, is just words, air.

Norweger

11th February 2017, 08:02 PM

Could the levels be high due to low prices on electricity?

Hitch

11th February 2017, 08:11 PM

i hope the levels can be lowered before the melt. it's a shame there isn't more storage - to hold the water for the next drought. that money is being spent on the welfare orgy (insane the number of californians on welfare...see thread i started a week or two ago)

The problem is the levees and the aqueducts. If the levees break, they flood the valleys. If the aqueducts get compromised, we send sea water to Southern California for them to drink.

Count on both happening this spring.

Cebu_4_2

11th February 2017, 08:14 PM

You lost my trust when you lied to me. Anything you say on this forum, is just words, air.

Where in particular did I lie Pete? I have not lied here for anything for personal gain or retreat like you have.

If you are bringing out past issues I welcome you to the forum sir.

You have lately proven yourself as an actual good person, this thread can dissolve it immediately.

milehi

11th February 2017, 08:15 PM

Indeed. Personally, I think the worst of the worst will happen when the snow pack melts. All our lakes and reservoirs are full, now. We have levees predicted to fail...predicted. The snow hasn't melted yet.

From what I've read, it's not optimistic, and I think shit is going to hit the fan in CA come April/May. That's my doom and gloom report and prediction. Hope I'm wrong.

This. During the winter of 10/11, Mammoth Lakes received almost 700 inches of snow. They had no place to put the snow and were taking it to the dump among other places. Snow totals for Mammoth this year are eclipsing the record winter of 10/11. Nearly everyday Mammoth Mountain Ski Area sends me a "Dump Alert!" email letting me know that at least 12" has fallen overnight.

Mammoth's snowmelt will drain to the east side of the Sierra, but the west side is in of trouble. In 2011, we were snowboarding until August.

Edit- The base at the summit is 340" currently.

Cebu_4_2

11th February 2017, 08:20 PM

This. During the winter of 10/11, Mammoth Lakes received almost 700 inches of snow. They had no place to put the snow and were taking it to the dump among other places. Snow totals for Mammoth this year are eclipsing the record winter of 10/11. Nearly everyday Mammoth Mountain Ski Area sends me a "Dump Alert!" email letting me know that at least 12" has fallen overnight.

Mammoth's snowmelt will drain to the east side of the Sierra, but the west side is in of trouble. In 2011, we were snowboarding until August.

California drought.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 08:24 PM

You have lately proven yourself as an actual good person, this thread can dissolve it immediately.

I am actually a good person, and I don't like threats. Dissolve what you like, on this forum, the truth will trump your agenda. No more lies from you going forward.

Norweger

11th February 2017, 08:30 PM

Calm down ladies.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 08:33 PM

Calm down ladies.

Us ladies are naturally calm. It's you muslim's who keep blowing shit up, that need to calm down.

Norweger

11th February 2017, 08:35 PM

Q.e.d.

Norweger

11th February 2017, 08:40 PM

The spillway was built in the 60s and was never used since then. Seems like they cant use it anymore because of the sinkhole which is now tearing away at the foundation of the earthen-dam. More rain is also supposed to come. Will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

Horn

11th February 2017, 09:40 PM

You'll be paying $10 for a head of lettuce soon.

that'd make sense to chop heads of lettuce into 1/4s then, ah the doom!

Horn

11th February 2017, 09:42 PM

Us ladies are naturally calm. It's you muslim's who keep blowing shit up, that need to calm down.

lol, latinos are positive that the gringo is the one who does not stop blowin stuff up.

Any muslim is like a cheap chinese firework in comparison.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 09:59 PM

lol, latinos are positive that the gringo is the one who does not stop blowin stuff up.

Any muslim is like a cheap chinese firework in comparison.

Horn. Read the Qu'ran. Actually read it, open the pages and read it.

When you do that, tell me how your thoughts have changed.......

Norweger

11th February 2017, 10:01 PM

Horn. Read the Qu'ran. Actually read it, open the pages and read it.

When you do that, tell me how your thoughts have changed.......

Maybe you should too.

Now stop derailing a good doom thread milady.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 10:12 PM

Maybe you should too.

Now stop derailing a good doom thread milady.

This thread is about an epic flood.

I still think a religious war is worse.

Norweger

11th February 2017, 10:13 PM

This thread is about an epic flood.

I still think a religious war is worse.

Make a thread about it then.

Horn

11th February 2017, 10:16 PM

Horn. Read the Qu'ran. Actually read it, open the pages and read it.

When you do that, tell me how your thoughts have changed.......

I question the factual integrity of most religious texts,

your recent life history is really all you need to predict the future or past.

What we have in California is God toying with all the "Brown's-company" politicking.

Hitch

11th February 2017, 10:21 PM

Make a thread about it then.

This thread is on topic. A massive flood, a religious war....Christianity triumphs over Islam.

Sorry Norweger....You and your religion will NOT take over the world.

Norweger

11th February 2017, 11:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqnfgaFHhZA

Mainstream media toning down the problem. 2:39 takes the cake.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 12:02 AM

The West coast liberals are getting karma hand fed up their rectums. It's only going to get worse.

Oroville, Butte County...solidly Republican, voted for Trump.

Shasta County...solidly Republican, voted for Trump.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 12:03 AM

did you cry for hurricane ike victims?

Yes. Next question.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 12:07 AM

Norweger

12th February 2017, 12:13 AM

I made an error. They have used the spillway, just not the emergency spillway which they probably will be forced to use as the controlled spillway is eroding away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1eLcSQPS8Q

crimethink

12th February 2017, 12:35 AM

I made an error.

Yes, when you adopted Islam.

They have used the spillway, just not the emergency spillway which they probably will be forced to use as the controlled spillway is eroding away.

Second error. The emergency spillway activated Saturday morning.

You have not discovered your errors, that makes three. Sterilize yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw3zzMWOIvk

Norweger

12th February 2017, 12:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV6Hi3g54f0

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/07/engineers-assess-spillway-problem-at-oroville-dam/

Horn

12th February 2017, 05:40 AM

Pfft..

Someone obviously shut the gates down to near 0 spill in history to purposefully use emergency spillway.

Only if they started spilling earlier... guess they were doomed by drought?

OROVILLE

With a break in the weather and increased outflow from Oroville Dam’s heavily damaged spillway, state officials said Friday morning they no longer believe the swollen reservoir will breach the dam’s emergency spillway.

After a grim assessment late Thursday, officials announced Friday morning they think they can avoid using the dam’s emergency spillway, which they’ve been working feverishly to avoid. The emergency structure feeds into an unlined ravine, and the water would propel soil, trees and other debris into the Feather River.

The announcement came after William Croyle, director of the state Department of Water Resources, told reporters Thursday evening that water levels in Lake Oroville could reach the brim sometime Saturday, forcing activation of the emergency spillway. The emergency system, which has never been used, would dump water onto an exposed hillside, dislodging trees and earthen debris into the Feather River and potentially affect communities downstream.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article131743014.html#storylink=cpy

UPDATE2:
As of 11PM on 2/10/17, Lake Oroville is now less than a foot from the top and overflow on to the emergency spillway.

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/oroville-storage.png?w=720&h=645

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/10/damaged-lake-orovilledam-spillway-being-sacrificed-with-high-releases-now-about-4-feet-to-top/

osoab

12th February 2017, 05:57 AM

The lake level is 1.6' above the emergency spillway. The ES was breached yesterday morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQkVr98xai0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQkVr98xai0

Horn

12th February 2017, 06:00 AM

This thread is on topic. A massive flood, a religious war....Christianity triumphs over Islam.

Sorry Norweger....You and your religion will NOT take over the world.

Romans exiled Christians - christian world

Germany exiled Jews - jewish world

U.S. exiles Islam -

Horn

12th February 2017, 06:01 AM

The lake level is 1.6' above the emergency spillway. The ES was breached yesterday morning.

Yeah on purpose.

singular_me

12th February 2017, 06:19 AM

Didnt need to be a prophet to forecast that 2000-3000 years ago. Elementary my dear watson!

swing pendulum, swing swing...

Romans exiled Christians - christian world

Germany exiled Jews - jewish world

U.S. exiles Islam -

Horn

12th February 2017, 06:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV6Hi3g54f0

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/02/07/engineers-assess-spillway-problem-at-oroville-dam/

You can see in this video that primary gate is around 65% capacity drain.

Gee its time to start quartering heads of lettuce... i can't explain why the emergency gate is being "topped"?

EE_

12th February 2017, 06:44 AM

In a few days this will be old news. California has endured earthquakes, droughts, fires and floods and it's still here.
The thing California won't survive, is a cancer called liberalism and Mexicans.

osoab

12th February 2017, 06:55 AM

You can see in this video that primary gate is around 65% capacity drain.

Gee its time to start quartering heads of lettuce... i can't explain why the emergency gate is being "topped"?

Inflows are still high dummy. They had rain on Friday.

Horn

12th February 2017, 07:03 AM

Inflows are still high dummy. They had rain on Friday.

Why not run at 100% then?

I'm not saying anything nefarious is afoot. They're just relying/testing their emergency spillways is all. Its obvious from the hockey stick storage graph posted.

Yet it is sold as a "necessary emergency", it is Not, as all evidence points otherwise.

Could have been well avoided by running 100% since December.

osoab

12th February 2017, 07:03 AM

just started listening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxVmKnBgvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxVmKnBgvc

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxVmKnBgvc)

edit to add:

This guy is claiming that they are expecting 6' to flow over the ES.

No flow out of the power station. Blockage below.

Going to scale back the regular spillway flow due to erosion.

Flow over the parking lot was not expected. No structural reinforcement in that area.

Should get new aerial footage soon.

osoab

12th February 2017, 07:05 AM

Why not run at 100% then?

I'm not saying anything nefarious is afoot. They're just relying/testing their emergency spillways is all. Its obvious from the hockey stick storage graph posted.

Yet it is sold as a necessary emergency, it is Not. Could have been well avoided by running 100% since December.

They are trying to limit the erosion in the real spillway where the breach is creating another channel. Jim Stone is claiming that the spillway was bombed.

Horn

12th February 2017, 07:09 AM

They are trying to limit the erosion in the real spillway where the breach is creating another channel. Jim Stone is claiming that the spillway was bombed.

Oh well there'ya go.

Let's build an Ark and quarter lettuce heads based on something that is completely uncontrollable, like a sabotage... lol

California flakes.

They're just delaying the inevitable. The entire thing should be flowing over the emergency spillway until repaired.

How can we market this as some uncontrollable emergency on the nightly news?

osoab

12th February 2017, 07:14 AM

Current lake levels. I think the ES is @ 901'. Looks like it has crested?

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?ORO

(http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?ORO)

Date / Time RES ELE STORAGE OUTFLOW INFLOW RIV REL RAIN BAT VOL
(PST) FEET AF CFS CFS CFS INCHES VOLTS

02/11/2017 19:00 902.33 3574543 55148 67533 69465 34.76 13.4
02/11/2017 20:00 902.39 3575499 55005 66240 68979 34.76 13.4
02/11/2017 21:00 902.44 3576295 55027 65137 68692 34.76 13.5
02/11/2017 22:00 902.51 3577410 55048 66996 68174 34.76 13.5
02/11/2017 23:00 902.56 3578207 55066 67109 68344 34.76 13.4
02/12/2017 00:00 902.57 3578367 55070 61754 67617 34.76 13.5
02/12/2017 01:00 902.58 3578526 55077 58434 67494 34.76 13.4
02/12/2017 02:00 902.58 3578526 55077 57249 67370 34.76 13.4
02/12/2017 03:00 902.59 3578686 55077 55591 67203 34.76 13.4
02/12/2017 04:00 902.58 3578526 55077 55591 67258 34.76 13.4
02/12/2017 05:00 902.57 3578367 55074 54624 67572 34.76 13.4
02/12/2017 06:00 902.55 3578048 -- -- -- 34.76 13.4

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 07:46 AM

osoab

12th February 2017, 07:57 AM

How's the apocalyptic drought we were all told was so horrible for Komiefonians going by the way? Can't we just carpet bomb southern CA and end our misery? I'm so tired of listening to the bullshit coming from the cancer tumor that is Southern CA

Jim Stone claims the drought was just headlines. They opened the floodgates, drained the reservoirs, and prevented flows to farmers to get the land cheap through bankruptcy. Couldn't say that hasn't happened before.

Here is a fly over of Oroville from 2014. The dam is shown at the very beginning. Gives a good scope of how empty it was at one point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTHoeoMCNY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTHoeoMCNY0

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 08:00 AM

Rather than let them secede lets cut off their water supply and let them wither on the vine. I'm really fed up with those fucks out there!

osoab

12th February 2017, 08:36 AM

This is weird.

Searching Google for past hour vids for "oroville dam" has been spammed by dozens of videos. This happened in the past five minutes. Is someone trying to hide something or is this just simple profiteering for channel hits? These are stupid videos.

https://www.google.com/search?q=oroville+dam&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=oroville+dam&tbm=vid&tbs=qdr:h

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 08:43 AM

Yep, seems like a concerted effort to manipulate something. I still think my carpet bombing idea is good. Any way we can drum up national support for a National Southern Komiefornia Scorched Earth Agenda ? Perhaps start a petition? :)
This is weird.

Searching Google for past hour vids for "oroville dam" has been spammed by dozens of videos. This happened in the past five minutes. Is someone trying to hide something or is this just simple profiteering for channel hits? These are stupid videos.

https://www.google.com/search?q=oroville+dam&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=oroville+dam&tbm=vid&tbs=qdr:h

osoab

12th February 2017, 08:45 AM

Here is some good drone footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gchf6COGAKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gchf6COGAKQ

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 08:55 AM

Don't know what everyone is complaining about. There looks to be plenty of high ground out there :)
Here is some good drone footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gchf6COGAKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gchf6COGAKQ

osoab

12th February 2017, 09:06 AM

Atocha

12th February 2017, 09:52 AM

Regardless of who you are and what you think/believe, I hope and pray our friends through Gold-Silver Forum and all others who live in California, stay safe and that no harm comes to them or their families. I have been through disasters... They are not fun.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 10:02 AM

Regardless of who you are and what you think/believe, I hope and pray our friends through Gold-Silver Forum who live in California, stay safe and that no harm comes to them or their families. I have been through disasters... They are not fun.

Most of the disasters affect the American portions of California...the vast majority of California territory.

Horn

12th February 2017, 10:06 AM

The pumping concrete below the ES was all for show.

Skip ahead to 4:00 minutes in. There is one pumper truck, one concrete truck, and one dude spraying concrete. If it was that important, why are they not doing more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deoba_CQgt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deoba_CQgt4

This is what you get when you purposefully fill your storage to 100% , that was Not a neccessary occurance by all accounts.

Double hockey sticks storage were a first result of retained storage prior to this event, imo.

Unless there were some prior maintenance reason in the weeks proceeding this event to reduce the drainage capacity and achieve 100% capacity?

Hitch

12th February 2017, 10:11 AM

This is what you get when you purposefully fill your storage to 100% , that was Not a neccessary occurance by all accounts.

Double hockey sticks storage were a first result of retained storage prior to this event, imo.

Unless there were some prior maintenance reason in the weeks proceeding this event to reduce the drainage capacity and achieve 100% capacity?

That's a lot of water coming out of that dam. My question, if it was over storage, you'd think they would release water in bursts to minimize the effect on the river the water ends up in. My other question, this has been going on for 24 hours now? Why isn't the lake level low enough yet, unless there's a lot of water coming into the lake. That's a lot of water though.

Horn

12th February 2017, 10:21 AM

I could only think someone was Not banking on more water coming down from the hills in Early December?

Drainage was pinched at the place prior to in weeks/months running up to.

Horn

12th February 2017, 10:38 AM

osoab

12th February 2017, 11:07 AM

footage of what the ES flow looks like this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_60JYhIEzUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_60JYhIEzUc

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 11:14 AM

Looks mighty angry
footage of what the ES flow looks like this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_60JYhIEzUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_60JYhIEzUc

Horn

12th February 2017, 11:22 AM

footage of what the ES flow looks like this morning.

Guy with the drone were better, smarter...

I guess they will decide to fix it sometime during peak snow melt season, being San Francisco flakey and all!!!

Horn

12th February 2017, 03:45 PM

My take is that they choked the place real hard up until Feb 1st, then let the drain open 100% for some "DOOM Driven Nightly News Spot" this inturn broke the fuggin thing...

Or Self inflicted California stupidity.

osoab

12th February 2017, 06:03 PM

Emergency evacuation order.

Evacuation orders for low levels of Oroville (http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/butte/evacuation-orders-for-low-levels-of-oroville/330519833)

OROVILLE, Calif. - An immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream is ordered.
A hazardous situation has developed with the Oroville Dam emergency spillway. Officials say that operation of the auxiliary spillway has lead to severe erosion that could lead to a failure of the structure.
Failure of the emergency spillway structure will result in an uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville.
In response to this developing situation, DWR is increasing water releases to 100,000 cubic feet per second. Immediate evacuation from the low levels of Oroville and areas downstream has been ordered.
Officials are anticipating a failure of the auxiliary spillway at Oroville Dam within the next 60 minutes.
Residents of Oroville should evacuate in a northward direction such as towards Chico.

osoab

12th February 2017, 06:32 PM

listening to live news now. they are talking to a guy who has a county position. he just threw everyone under the bus for using the ES.

http://www.krcrtv.com/krcr-news-channel-7-live-stream

EE_

12th February 2017, 06:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaOwDSmiB44

Hitch

12th February 2017, 06:33 PM

Emergency evacuation order.

Evacuation orders for low levels of Oroville (http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/butte/evacuation-orders-for-low-levels-of-oroville/330519833)

Thanks Osoab. This sounds very serious. Here's a couple of quotes from your link:

"A hazardous situation has developed with the Oroville Dam emergency spillway. Officials say that operation of the auxiliary spillway has lead to severe erosion that could lead to a failure of the structure.

Failure of the emergency spillway structure will result in an uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville."

Second quote:

"Officials are anticipating a failure of the auxiliary spillway at Oroville Dam within the next 60 minutes."

So, basically they are saying is the auxiliary spillway is going to fail,perhaps in the next hour....and when that happens, they lose control of the water flow, and erosion will take the whole dam out.

Jewboo

12th February 2017, 06:54 PM

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oroville,+CA/@39.5042912,-121.5774322,10949m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x809cb6034a842e11:0xb5691 9d60de28347!8m2!3d39.5137752!4d-121.556359

:o

(https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oroville,+CA/@39.5042912,-121.5774322,10949m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x809cb6034a842e11:0xb5691 9d60de28347!8m2!3d39.5137752!4d-121.556359)

Norweger

12th February 2017, 07:05 PM

Phew. Finally are people evacuating. RIP real estate prices.

Jewboo

12th February 2017, 07:19 PM

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/95/1486951614832.png

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/95/1486951786189.jpg

Cebu_4_2

12th February 2017, 07:27 PM

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/95/1486951614832.png

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/95/1486951786189.jpg

Irony again.

Horn

12th February 2017, 07:29 PM

So, basically they are saying is the auxiliary spillway is going to fail,perhaps in the next hour....and when that happens, they lose control of the water flow, and erosion will take the whole dam out.

No, what they are saying is they have to run the auxillary spillway at full speed, the spillway will fail. Not the entire dam.

Spillway failure will could lead to that water not being directed downstream, but across town.

This of course all due to their own mismanagement of the auxilary spillway.

Norweger

12th February 2017, 07:37 PM

A picture from 2013 of what is said to be an inspection of cracks in the spillway.

https://i2.wp.com/fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/california-norcal/1120603d1486695238-ot-oroville-reservoir-situation-16508579_1212016275513733_1512733581637597118_n.jp g?zoom=2

Compare with this photo.

https://i0.wp.com/cdn.kloveair1.com/art/news/2686.jpg?zoom=2

Norweger

12th February 2017, 07:42 PM

Main causes of dam failure

International special sign for works and installations containing dangerous forces
Common causes of dam failure include:
Sub-standard construction materials/techniques (Gleno Dam)
Spillway design error (South Fork Dam, near failure of Glen Canyon Dam)
Geological instability caused by changes to water levels during filling or poor surveying (Malpasset Dam).
Sliding of a mountain into the reservoir (Vajont Dam – not exactly a dam failure, but caused nearly the entire volume of said reservoir to be displaced and overtop the dam)
Poor maintenance, especially of outlet pipes (Lawn Lake Dam, Val di Stava dam collapse)
Extreme inflow (Shakidor Dam)
Human, computer or design error (Buffalo Creek Flood, Dale Dike Reservoir, Taum Sauk pumped storage plant)
Internal erosion, especially in earthen dams (Teton Dam)

Horn

12th February 2017, 07:48 PM

Dont forget its an auxillary Norweger, 2nd to main and prior to emergency.

They just need to wack the auxillary spillway out, get the lake down to a managable level. To best repair/direct the auxilary spilway back downstream.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 07:49 PM

Emergency evacuation order.

Evacuation orders for low levels of Oroville (http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/butte/evacuation-orders-for-low-levels-of-oroville/330519833)

Holy shit!

Hitch

12th February 2017, 07:49 PM

Well, if this is the start to what I think is going to happen, our drought is over, but not much water to actually drink when the levees fail. Southern CA is screwed.

To GSUS members in So Cal...get a desalination water filter, for drinking water. Katadyn makes a hand pump one.

https://www.amazon.com/Katadyn-8013433-Survivor-35-Desalinator/dp/B000F3CH0I

Glass

12th February 2017, 07:51 PM

helicopters to drop rocks in the hole in the spillway

crimethink

12th February 2017, 07:58 PM

No, what they are saying is they have to run the auxillary spillway at full speed, the spillway will fail. Not the entire dam.

Spillway failure will could lead to that water not being directed downstream, but across town.

This of course all due to their own mismanagement of the auxilary spillway.

The emergency spillway is "automatic" - the water gets to that level, and it goes over, like a sink overflow. No one "controls" it. The only way to avoid its use is to keep the main spillway open, causing even more damage to the spillway channel.

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 07:59 PM

Request denied!!!

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/95/1486951614832.png

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/95/1486951786189.jpg

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 08:00 PM

Fred, you're not in that area, are you?
The emergency spillway is "automatic" - the water gets to that level, and it goes over, like a sink overflow. No one "controls" it. The only way to avoid its use is to keep the main spillway open, causing even more damage to the spillway channel.

Glass

12th February 2017, 08:00 PM

Joshua01

12th February 2017, 08:03 PM

At least it's a weekend and the traffic should be light :)
The only way out of town is across three bridges, 1 north, 1 west, 1 south. I hope they hold.

Cebu_4_2

12th February 2017, 08:04 PM

Request denied!!!

The wrath of the Trump....

Horn

12th February 2017, 08:05 PM

The emergency spillway is "automatic" - the water gets to that level, and it goes over, like a sink overflow. No one "controls" it. The only way to avoid its use is to keep the main spillway open, causing even more damage to the spillway channel.

Its the auxilary spillway (controllable) they are stating will fail, not the emergency. there is hardly a spillway at the emergency, if any.

They have to take out the auxillary spillway now that it were mismanaged/damaged.

They are atleast thinking properly now.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:17 PM

Fred, you're not in that area, are you?

About 100 miles west of Oroville.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:19 PM

The only way out of town is across three bridges, 1 north, 1 west, 1 south. I hope they hold.

er maybe 2 north, the road south looks like it runs on a flood plain, not a bridge.

live streams talking about how no one has any bug out bags etc are just being herded out of town in the clothes they have on their backs, no resources. Evacuations now extended further south and east. All the way to Yuba?

My stepdaughter's Dad near Beale is already on the road. The Yuba and Sutter County Sheriff's Departments issued a Reverse 9-1-1 call over an hour ago.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132332499.html

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:21 PM

Its the auxilary spillway (controllable) they are stating will fail, not the emergency. there is hardly a spillway at the emergency, if any.

They have to take out the auxillary spillway now that it were mismanaged/damaged.

I've been there, you have not, I think I know what I'm talking about.

The main spillway's channel is seriously damaged, but is not in danger of collapse. The emergency (aka auxiliary) spillway is what is in danger of collapse.

http://www.kcra.com/article/mark-finan-discusses-the-oroville-auxillary-spillway-erosion/8735639

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:34 PM

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:36 PM

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/95/1486951614832.png

Flush it down, Brown is going to have to kiss Trump's ass. Oh, how painful. LOL

That CalExit thing ain't so bright after all, eh?

Jewboo

12th February 2017, 08:43 PM

http://media.sacbee.com/static/newsroom/graphicsembeds/2017/spillway0212.jpg

Falling depths do not mean the areas below the dam are safe. The emergency spillway is essentially part of the dam and the concern is that it will fail, something that could happen even if water stops flowing over its top.

http://i.imgur.com/9Unuzul.jpg

Maybe EROSION is also hidden under and around the emergency spillway. That's just soft dirt to the left of the dam...

:(??

Horn

12th February 2017, 08:44 PM

Hitch

12th February 2017, 08:48 PM

About 100 miles west of Oroville.

Are you safe from flooding?

Be well.

Jewboo

12th February 2017, 08:48 PM

Nobody is expecting failure to the emergency spillway.

http://www.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2016/herc/katrina.jpg
Katrina

"Unexpected" is often a word used by government to explain their ineptitude.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:49 PM

Nobody is expecting failure to the emergency spillway.

The main spillway has never been in question.

The auxilary and its spillway is being run at full tilt (finally) and is expected to fail.

You stupid fuck, shut the fuck up about things you DO NOT understand.

There are TWO spillways:

#1) the main spillway, now wide open to reduce stress on the below;
#2) the emergency spillway, formally known as the "auxiliary spillway," which is IN DANGER of collapse.

The main spillway has a large, gaping hole in the spillway concrete CHANNEL, and while not good, will not cause a catastrophic release of water.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:52 PM

Are you safe from flooding?

Be well.

We're perfectly fine; we've got the Coast Range between us and the Valley.

Hitch

12th February 2017, 08:53 PM

You stupid fuck, shut the fuck up about things you DO NOT understand.

There are TWO spillways:

#1) the main spillway, now wide open to reduce stress on the below;
#2) the emergency spillway, formally known as the "auxiliary spillway," which is IN DANGER of collapse.

The main spillway has a large, gaping hole in the spillway concrete CHANNEL, and while not good, will not cause a catastrophic release of water.

Are you safe from the flooding?

Hitch

12th February 2017, 08:54 PM

We're perfectly fine; we've got the Coast Range between us and the Valley.

OK, good to hear. I think we posted at the same time. :)

crimethink

12th February 2017, 08:55 PM

http://media.sacbee.com/static/newsroom/graphicsembeds/2017/spillway0212.jpg

Falling depths do not mean the areas below the dam are safe. The emergency spillway is essentially part of the dam and the concern is that it will fail, something that could happen even if water stops flowing over its top.

Until the water stops flowing over the emergency spillway, engineers cannot accurately assess just how much erosion there is to both the top and especially lower parts of the ES. And yes, as you say, the ES could fail (tonight) regardless of water flow, while people would have been sleeping, hence making the evacuations completely reasonable.

Horn

12th February 2017, 08:59 PM

I repeat the emergency spillway is in Not damaged and in No danger to collapse when auxillary is run properly. Which has not been for the last 2 months due to stupid flakes in California making much adue about practically nothing... yet mismanaging what water infrastructure they posess.

crimethink

12th February 2017, 09:03 PM

THIS IS BULLSHIT --> I repeat the emergency spillway is in Not damaged and in No danger to collapse when auxillary is run properly.

I repeat, Horn is a stupid fuck who wants to spread DISINFORMATION, despite being corrected twice now.

Jewboo

12th February 2017, 09:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bephol1Ormg

vacuum

12th February 2017, 09:25 PM

The Dam itself will not collapse from this, but the emergency (aka auxiliary) spillway could and very well may let go if more inflow occurs in the next 24 hours.

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/oroville-why-no-collapse-metabunk-jpg.24429/

The entire reservoir would not empty, but up to 30 feet multiplied by the acre-footage of the lake would quickly move down the Feather River. Quite a large mass of water.

My understanding is that the dam structure relies on the earth for support. If too much earth is eroded away the whole thing will collapse.

Furthermore, there is no bedrock there. Its just a pile of dirt.

Horn

12th February 2017, 09:25 PM

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/oroville-storage.png?w=720&h=645

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/02/10/damaged-lake-orovilledam-spillway-being-sacrificed-with-high-releases-now-about-4-feet-to-top/

This history chart details the level of flakery available in California, and their willingness to pass the bill up to Federal levels.

Notice the triple hockey sticks pinch from comparitive 98 Nino, this is exemplary flakery evidence.

Instead of repairing thier obviously flawed auxilary spillway they, purposefully raised resevoir levels to a fever piched than cried like the nancys they are.

Norweger

12th February 2017, 09:32 PM

Erosion, earthen dam. What could possibly go wrong?

They are filling up nylon bags with rocks that they are gonna dump in the hole using helicopters. Seems a bit desperate.

Hitch

12th February 2017, 09:47 PM

Erosion, earthen dam. What could possibly go wrong?\

Yes, what could go wrong? Perhaps this is a great time for an Islamist terrorist attack. What could possibly go wrong?

Jewboo

12th February 2017, 10:11 PM

http://www.katherineboyd.com/resources/OptSlip&slide.jpg

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/2916417e84ff5df60f3435486508682d49f49ee9a648c4bde8 b7b0e2382bae61.png

Same designer...no foundation...just soft dirt underneath.

:rolleyes:

Hitch

12th February 2017, 10:41 PM

Same designer...no foundation...just soft dirt underneath.

Same design as our creator. We are all soft underneath, ready to be blown apart by some Islamic extremist.

We are all soft dirt underneath though.

Horn

12th February 2017, 10:55 PM

0 to do with natural rain or snow melt, everything to do with sabotage and mismanagement, it probably is more dangerous than ever thought cause they want this thing to fail.

The auxiliary spillway wall is not even taken out (removed) to provide better flow away from the dam and down stream. It (the damage) is made to erode towards the dam.

Main spillway in this video appears to also have been sabotaged and the electric plant there offline,

Since then flow has been increased in main spillway from the pinch it was in since Early December

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxVmKnBgvc

vacuum

13th February 2017, 12:18 AM

http://i.imgur.com/O4ZToDR.jpg

EE_

13th February 2017, 08:47 AM

The disaster has been averted, everyone come home and get back to work. On to the next disaster.

vacuum

13th February 2017, 09:24 AM

The disaster has been averted, everyone come home and get back to work. On to the next disaster.

We have another week of heavy rains

crimethink

13th February 2017, 09:26 AM

The disaster has been averted, everyone come home and get back to work. On to the next disaster.

Uh, no. More rain this week. Extent of damage is still being assessed. Success of the rock/sandbag mission yet to be determined.

Horn

13th February 2017, 09:41 AM

We have another week of heavy rains

This has nothing to do with heavy rains, You've bought and drank governor Brown's climate change environ. sabotage koolaid.

Any mudbrain tells you that it is due to heavy rain is also a mudbrain.

Is like looking for the 3rd plane to hit WTC 7

Norweger

13th February 2017, 02:11 PM

Doom canceled?

Joshua01

13th February 2017, 02:18 PM

Nah, just postponed. They are degrading the spillways more every day as they let more water out. That helps ease the issue now but at a cost. Rains are forecast later this week and by then, the spillways will be even further degraded. It ain't over quite yet. I only wish that SF was in harm's way. That would be a win for everyone. Unfortunately it seems to me the fags aren't going to be affected by this but some good people in CA are.
Doom canceled?

Norweger

13th February 2017, 02:41 PM

Not much footage coming out lately. Would like to see if the erosion stopped or not.

osoab

13th February 2017, 02:49 PM

Not much footage coming out lately. Would like to see if the erosion stopped or not.

See the tv station with the helicoptor.

http://www.kcra.com/nowcast

Doom is postponed until the rains start Wed/Thurs.

They are dropping bags of rocks into the eroded area.

I think the circled area is where they are dropping the rocks. Pic is from late yesterday.

http://i.imgur.com/1OYkTNZ.jpg

monty

13th February 2017, 02:51 PM

Not much footage coming out lately. Would like to see if the erosion stopped or not.

Live Stream

http://youtu.be/dTWyJ1LmDsk

https://youtu.be/dTWyJ1LmDsk

crimethink

13th February 2017, 02:51 PM

Not much footage coming out lately. Would like to see if the erosion stopped or not.

The erosion on the emergency/auxiliary spillway has stopped, since the water level has dropped below it. But the damage is severe, and, as seen below, it won't take too much more before the erosion eats into the meat of the spillway:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-58a21075/turbine/la-oroville-20170213/

Joshua01

13th February 2017, 03:03 PM

It doesn't look good Fred, That main spillway won't last long before the erosion of 4 more days of rain undermines that whole section

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1487020876819.png

Horn

13th February 2017, 04:14 PM

With the main spillway opened and running normally there shouldn't be many more issues.

Except the ones they create, which are many.

osoab

13th February 2017, 04:53 PM

With the main spillway opened and running normally there shouldn't be many more issues.

Except the ones they create, which are many.

And rainfall and snow melt and unknown erosion with the concrete spillway.

In the afternoon press conference, they were confident no erosion in the main spillway would destabilize the dam. The gap is too far away.
These are the same guys that said dumping over the ES was a good idea. Same dudes that said there would be no evacuations.

Horn

13th February 2017, 05:28 PM

Yous guys have your spillways all mixed up.

I refuse to comment further on this created travisty until that is repaired.

osoab

13th February 2017, 05:41 PM

Yous guys have your spillways all mixed up.

I refuse to comment further on this created travisty until that is repaired.

It won't be repaired.

Horn

13th February 2017, 05:47 PM

It won't be repaired.

i heerd they re-enlagered Oroville dam's lower hole to flow the aguina good-n-all

old steel

13th February 2017, 08:32 PM

When you spend $700 million on water infrastructure and $25 BILLION on Illegals, then this happens. Lib 'leadership' at work. #OrovilleDam

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4jscYbXUAE2BL4.jpg
(https://twitter.com/hashtag/OrovilleDam?src=hash)

Hitch

13th February 2017, 08:57 PM

The real threat comes when the snow pack melts in late spring. We have 200% of normal snow pack, now. All our lakes and reservoirs are full, and we aren't even out of the rainy season...not even close. When that snow pack starts melting, where is all that water going to go? If you can answer that, let us in CA know.

Locally, the levees in Central CA are stressed as it is. If those fail, and the water keeps flowing from the melting snow pack, unstoppable. Heck the whole central valley could flood. The stage is set for epic flooding in CA this Spring. Let's hope some miracle happens.

Horn

13th February 2017, 09:34 PM

The real threat comes when the snow pack melts in late spring. We have 200% of normal snow pack, now. All our lakes and reservoirs are full, and we aren't even out of the rainy season...not even close. When that snow pack starts melting, where is all that water going to go? If you can answer that, let us in CA know.

Try Not pinching your dams closed since December so that they are full to the brim by then.

Flakeos!

STFU with this snowmelt / heavy rain bologna, yur all fulla shite out there!

Taking up the rest of the worlds airtime with your wet faux laundry...

Hitch

13th February 2017, 09:43 PM

STFU with this snowmelt / heavy rain bologna, yur all fulla shite out there!

Taking up the rest of the worlds airtime with your wet faux laundry...

I didn't start this thread. I didn't start this topic, but I live in CA and the weather here right now is the #1 concern.

Why don't you start up a thread on Costa Rica? If you won't do that...STFU in CA threads. :) You damn troll, lol. Stay on topic.

old steel

13th February 2017, 09:45 PM

So, what's the forecast down there?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-crfjEVp60Mo/WJ3h4nR8ZaI/AAAAAAAAA_8/jb7wjqhTfywSKaT6Upu7uG907LzWY6VQACLcB/s320/ass%2Bin%2Bdeep%2Bwater.jpg

crimethink

13th February 2017, 09:48 PM

I didn't start this thread. I didn't start this topic, but I live in CA and the weather here right now is the #1 concern.

Why don't you start up a thread on Costa Rica? If you won't do that...STFU in CA threads. :) You damn troll, lol. Stay on topic.

The guy is either drunk, on drugs, or mentally ill. Put him on ignore.

crimethink

13th February 2017, 09:53 PM

So, what's the forecast down there?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-crfjEVp60Mo/WJ3h4nR8ZaI/AAAAAAAAA_8/jb7wjqhTfywSKaT6Upu7uG907LzWY6VQACLcB/s320/ass%2Bin%2Bdeep%2Bwater.jpg

A lot more rain projected for Thursday. But, as Hitch says, the snowpack is already a huge threat; even with no more rain a few days of unexpected warm weather could bring a flood down into the reservoir.

DWR idiots are aiming to bring Lake Oroville down 50 feet before the rain arrives. Personally, I can't envision the integrity of either spillway continuing through the year. Doesn't matter how many rocks out of DWR "engineer" heads they dump, either. They both need concrete, and lots of it, to prevent catastrophe. That can't happen in the foreseeable future.

crimethink

13th February 2017, 09:58 PM

The impending failure of (part of) Oroville Dam is one of those Black Swans that is a backhand across the face reality check for lots of hubristic puny humans. Especially the leftist fucktards in Excremento. Lots of people are making lots of noise - accurate and just - about how California's "government" (sic) has blown billions to protect anchor babies and their illegal families, while leaving people who belong here to face destruction like this. I hope Trump tells flush it down, Brown to kill the "sanctuary state" bill or face ZERO Federal help to the California "government" - only offering direct assistance to those affected (via FEMA) in red counties.

Butte County (county seat: Oroville) is the orange county two over from the northwest of the lone blue county (Nevada County, full of New Age "liberals"):

http://www.oc-breeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Presidential-election-results-by-California-county-2016.jpg

Horn

13th February 2017, 10:01 PM

I live in CA and the weather here right now is the #1 concern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o

Hitch

13th February 2017, 10:03 PM

A lot more rain projected for Thursday. But, as Hitch says, the snowpack is already a huge threat; even with no more rain a few days of unexpected warm weather could bring a flood down into the reservoir.

DWR idiots are aiming to bring Lake Oroville down 50 feet before the rain arrives. Personally, I can't envision the integrity of either spillway continuing through the year. Doesn't matter how many rocks out of DWR "engineer" heads they dump, either. They both need concrete, and lots of it, to prevent catastrophe. That can't happen in the foreseeable future.

The levees around the bay area extending to the Sac valley is the untold threat. There's over 1000 miles of levees. They are all failing and aging. There's talk it could be worse than the Katrine flood in New Orleans. Some of my work has been involved with those levees, repairing them. I don't think they can handle the water that's coming.

There's really no place for all this water to go if the reservoirs and lakes can't handle it....and it's only Feb. It's only going to get worse.

crimethink

13th February 2017, 10:19 PM

old steel

13th February 2017, 10:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXn2QVipK2o

Timeless indeed.

crimethink

13th February 2017, 10:29 PM

Oroville Dam: Feds and state officials ignored warnings 12 years ago

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/oroville-dam-feds-and-state-officials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/

More than a decade ago, federal and state officials and some of California’s largest water agencies rejected concerns that the massive earthen spillway at Oroville Dam — at risk of collapse Sunday night and prompting the evacuation of 185,000 people — could erode during heavy winter rains and cause a catastrophe.

Three environmental groups — the Friends of the River, the Sierra Club and the South Yuba Citizens League — filed a motion with the federal government on Oct. 17, 2005, as part of Oroville Dam’s relicensing process, urging federal officials to require that the dam’s emergency spillway be armored with concrete, rather than remain as an earthen hillside.

The groups filed the motion with FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They said that the dam, built and owned by the state of California, and finished in 1968, did not meet modern safety standards because in the event of extreme rain and flooding, fast-rising water would overwhelm the main concrete spillway, then flow down the emergency spillway, and that could cause heavy erosion that would create flooding for communities downstream, but also could cause a failure, known as “loss of crest control.”

Hitch

13th February 2017, 10:36 PM

As a native of Lodi, you need not tell me about the threats in the Delta. :(

Sacramento itself is ripe for another New Orleans, but the Delta levees downstream are even more likely to fail.

I think this year it's going to happen. Years I've worked on these waterways, and I've seen dry farm land, million dollar houses, many feet below the levees.

We don't know what the tides will do. You've got sea water coming in as well. All that's going to clash with the snow melt water, massive amounts of that, all the lakes and reservoirs over flooding.

I've seen full on trees floating down. If the aqueducts get compromised...all the drinking water down in Southern CA is fucked (ximmy buy a pur survivor 35).

It's not good. The media won't alert the people until the last minute, too.

This is keeping me up at nights.

crimethink

14th February 2017, 01:33 AM

If the aqueducts get compromised...all the drinking water down in Southern CA is fucked (ximmy buy a pur survivor 35).

Expensive, but no substitutes are acceptable:

https://www.katadyn.com/en/ch/140-8013433-katadyn-survivor-35

https://www.katadyn.com/en/ch/149-8013418-katadyn-survivor-06 (baby brother)

This is keeping me up at nights.

I pray for peace for you. You've done your missions with diligence and sincerity. Things are out of your hands; pray that God does the rest for those affected.

EE_

14th February 2017, 03:14 AM

I think you guys may be worrying about something that has not happened yet and probably won't. This is minor compared to what's really important in California...that's if money doesn't run out to keep paying those fat government pensions. Now that would be a real disaster!...to the government employees that run California.

See, now doesn't that make ya feel better to put things in perspective. It's all about priorities.

Horn

14th February 2017, 07:20 AM

http://www.californiadrought.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/sj01042017.png

Joshua01

14th February 2017, 07:28 AM

They're actually trying to determine the gender of the dam so they can understand how to properly deal with it within its rights.

Santa

14th February 2017, 08:23 AM

Maybe sanctuary cities in Mexico will take most of the potential California flood refugees.

Norweger

14th February 2017, 09:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl7Sm15unPQ

Atocha

14th February 2017, 11:05 AM

They're actually trying to determine the gender of the dam so they can understand how to properly deal with it within its rights.

Thank you. That was a good laugh for the day. The Snow Flakes in my office didn't see the humor. I laughed again

monty

14th February 2017, 11:06 AM

The situation is serious. A flood like the flood of 1997 in February because of warm weather causing an early snow melt will wash out the emergency spillway down to bedrock rapidly increasing the water flow out of Lake Oroville. I was in Palermo, few miles from Oroville, visiting my ex-wife's grandfather the night of the 1997 flood. We were one of the last cars allowed up the Feather River Canyon to Reno that night. My ex's father and grandfather both worked on the construction of Oroville Dam. Her father was an engineer on one of the trains that hauled the crushed material to the dam. He grandfather was a dragline operator. The man was an artist wit a dragline.

crimethink

14th February 2017, 11:23 AM

monty

14th February 2017, 11:44 AM

I was in Rocklin during the 1997 floods. High ground, but I saw the effects.

This has the potential to exceed 1997.

With that much snow pack a few uncommonly warm days will be devastating.

Neuro

14th February 2017, 11:55 AM

As a native of Lodi, you need not tell me about the threats in the Delta. :(

Sacramento itself is ripe for another New Orleans, but the Delta levees downstream are even more likely to fail.

https://ic.arc.losrios.edu/~veiszep/13spr2005/Shafer_Kramer/delta_elevation_map.jpg

http://ascelibrary.org/cms/attachment/79530/1721063/5.jpg

What? Large part of Sacramento is below sea level, normally maintained by pumps that pump out river water coming from mountains?

Joshua01

14th February 2017, 12:04 PM

They're gonna need more pumps
What? Large part of Sacramento is below sea level, normally maintained by pumps that pump out river water coming from mountains?

EE_

14th February 2017, 12:23 PM

Nothing to do now but wait and see...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOEQTJV_3-w
If it keeps on rainin'
Levee's goin' to break
If it keeps on rainin'
Levee's goin' to break
When the levee breaks
I'll have no place to stay

Mean old levee
Taught me to weep and moan
Mean old levee
Taught me to weep and moan

It's got what it takes
To make a mountain man leave his home
Oh well, oh well, oh well

Don't it make you feel bad
When you're tryin' to find your way home
You don't know which way to go?

If you're goin' down South
They got no work to do
If you're going down to Chicago

Cryin' won't help you
Prayin' won't do you no good
Now, cryin' won't help you
Prayin' won't do you no good

When the levee breaks
Mama, you got to move

All last night
Sat on the levee and moaned
All last night
Sat on the levee and moaned
Thinkin' about my baby
And my happy home

Going, I'm going to Chicago
Going to Chicago
Sorry but I can't take you

Going down, going down now
Going down, going down now
Going down, going down
Going down, going down

Going down, going down now
Going down, going down now
Going down, going down now
Going down, going down
Down, down, down, down

Horn

14th February 2017, 12:59 PM

Now that they have everyone on the planet paying attention to the "terrible weather" in California.

Its bound to return to California weather.

Norweger

14th February 2017, 01:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9MSHoVL2g

Horn

14th February 2017, 02:15 PM

thank you for that sleepy video Norweger.. it was somewhere on par with Sunday afternoon T.V. golf.

JohnQPublic

14th February 2017, 02:18 PM

The action comes this weekend when the rain starts again...

Horn

14th February 2017, 02:31 PM

The action comes this weekend when the rain starts again...

Rain has zero impact and little to do with Oroville Dam.

Dogman

14th February 2017, 02:35 PM

Rain has zero impact and little to do with Oroville Dam.

Dan man I like you, but you have crossed over to the loopy side!

Sad, lay off tooting those banana skins

;D

JohnQPublic

14th February 2017, 02:45 PM

Rain has zero impact and little to do with Oroville Dam.

Out=In-Accumulation

Accumulation is about -6 to -8 feet at this point. They are shooting for -50 feet before this weekend. Depending on the rain,and if they succeed (without flooding downstream and collapsing the dam) it then comes down to how much rain falls. It absolutely has everything to do with the rain mat this point (snow melting also contributes, but rain increases this also).

Joshua01

14th February 2017, 03:12 PM

That simply seems counter-intuitive to me. I'm no expert but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night
Rain has zero impact and little to do with Oroville Dam.

osoab

14th February 2017, 03:20 PM

Evacuation lifted.

Live updates: Evacuations lifted for communities below Oroville Dam as officials say flooding risk reduced (http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-live-updates-oroville-dam-20170212-htmlstory.html)

Authorities lifted mandatory evacuation orders Tuesday for communities below the Oroville Dam.

At a news conference Tuesday afternoon, Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea announced the order had been changed to an evacuation warning after he said the risk of flooding had been reduced.

"We have concluded it is safe to reduce the emergency evacuation order to an evacuation warning"said Honea, who had made the initial call Sunday to evacuate a large swath of three counties below the imperiled dam.

osoab

14th February 2017, 03:31 PM

This is about the only footage I have seen today. The muslim's vid could have been one pic and saved everyone minutes since the guy didn't leave his spot. His vid was them showing rebuilding the road so they can get to the farside of the ES to fill in those holes. The only road to the parking lot runs under the ES and was washed away. Actually, it was undercut then washed away. They thought the water would gently spill over.

There has been little sky video or pics released today.

At least the fish are safe.

Joshua01

14th February 2017, 03:36 PM

Would you be comfortable going back knowing that starting tomorrow there will be at least 5 days of rain? I would go back to get my things and get the fark outta Dodge before the rains came. Never take the word of a California state official when your life and property are at stake. Their track record is less than stellar
Evacuation lifted.

Live updates: Evacuations lifted for communities below Oroville Dam as officials say flooding risk reduced (http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-live-updates-oroville-dam-20170212-htmlstory.html)

Horn

14th February 2017, 04:03 PM

Dan man I like you, but you have crossed over to the loopy side!

Sad, lay off tooting those banana skins

;D

Ive posted the data, its all right there in black and white. 97-98 had higher precip. and Oroville pinched themselves shut since December to create this.

You just dont leave your orrifice unattended to for 2 months do you, Dogman?

Hmmm maybe not the best person to direct thqt question to.

EE_

14th February 2017, 05:51 PM

Oroville evacuation has just been lifted. All clear to come home. Time to find another disaster.

Dogman

14th February 2017, 06:14 PM

Oroville evacuation has just been lifted. All clear to come home. Time to find another disaster.

Bookmarked

Time will tell!

crimethink

14th February 2017, 06:14 PM

Evacuation lifted.

Live updates: Evacuations lifted for communities below Oroville Dam as officials say flooding risk reduced (http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-live-updates-oroville-dam-20170212-htmlstory.html)

Now that the government has said the danger has passed, it's time to panic!

Seriously, though, I'm glad people wanting to return home, at least until the rain returns, will not be harassed by "law enforcement." Another evacuation order will be forthcoming, and I hope in time for the likely event the erosion continues and expands underneath the Band-Aid currently being installed.

osoab

14th February 2017, 06:43 PM

Now that the government has said the danger has passed, it's time to panic!

Seriously, though, I'm glad people wanting to return home, at least until the rain returns, will not be harassed by "law enforcement." Another evacuation order will be forthcoming, and I hope in time for the likely event the erosion continues and expands underneath the Band-Aid currently being installed.

Reading on GLP, posters were saying 600 frn fines for trying to sneak back in.

Seeing rumors now that the backed up flow to the powerhouse is causing destablization there. The generators have been underwater since Friday.

I saw one pic this morning from CHPs on their twitter showing the main spillway. They scrubbed that pic from what I can tell. It is the only pic I have seen of the MS today. Anyhow, I saw erosion further back towards the damn along with more erosion on the side of the MS towards the ES.

No vids or pics is very weird.

Dogman

14th February 2017, 06:51 PM

Reading on GLP, posters were saying 600 frn fines for trying to sneak back in.

Seeing rumors now that the backed up flow to the powerhouse is causing destablization there. The generators have been underwater since Friday.

I saw one pic this morning from CHPs on their twitter showing the main spillway. They scrubbed that pic from what I can tell. It is the only pic I have seen of the MS today. Anyhow, I saw erosion further back towards the damn along with more erosion on the side of the MS towards the ES.

No vids or pics is very weird.

They probably put up an exclusion zone, keeping the news out along with everyone else. All in the name of safety.

Choppers are not cheap to fly, and what repairs will take a long time.

Bet if the does not show, major bucks will be dumped into both spillways

Glass

14th February 2017, 07:11 PM

They did put in an exclusion zone. That's why our friend from Nevada city flew in when he did at the height he did. Because first they restricted air traffic height, then restricted it over the area altogether.

Ir was clear as time went on that the hydro plant was not contributing as much to the water flow. With the water coming down the spill way increasing, not all of it was running straight down into the river. Because the hydro outlet was above the spill way it was hitting a wall of water already there and then banking up. So in theory you have over flow capacity of the Hydro outlet + spill way + emergency spill way capacity but in reality the Hydro outlet gets reduced because of the turbulence at the bottom of the spill way.

Anyway, major catastrophe averted for now. I half expected something major to happen on the 13th. Would have been numberology significant - 44th day of the year. Maybe things didn't work out as expected?

I also thought that Cali had an extensive network of water diversion pipes and aqueducts so that they could shuffle water around. I remember hearing something about a small threatened species fish and some carry on over water diversion systems last year. What happened to those?

Flood plains are generally classed along the lines of "Once in a X Years" with 100 being a popular number. It's clear large chunks of Oroville are built on flood plains. Seeing as there's been no flood problems since nearly 50 years of the dam.... looks like the odds are shortening.

Maybe it's time to build a new dam somewhere. Shift some of the water around next time they get excess run off. Or enable them to pump this one dry and redo the whole thing. Stronger better safer and then refill it. That would create a few jobs.

Horn

14th February 2017, 07:29 PM

Operation pinch and fill dam's resevoir from December, Mission Complete...

Trump Approves Emergency Aid Request For Oroville Dam

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/02/14/president-trump-monitoring-oroville-dam-evacuations/

Joshua01

14th February 2017, 07:31 PM

Too bad they spent funds for things like maintaining this dam on freebies to the illegal beaners in Southern CA. The governor will get a pass and they'll raise taxes to pay for cleaning up the mess....the beat will most certainly go on. No accountability in CA (or most state governments for that matter) .....EVER!
They probably put up an exclusion zone, keeping the news out along with everyone else. All in the name of safety.

Choppers are not cheap to fly, and what repairs will take a long time.

Bet if the does not show, major bucks will be dumped into both spillways

crimethink

14th February 2017, 08:59 PM

Anyway, major catastrophe averted for now.

I hope people don't get into the mindset that "the danger is passed" (for good). I'm glad they can return to their homes, but they need to be ready to move instantly starting about Friday again. I have zero confidence in the Band Aid being applied in the form of haphazardly dumped rocks and concrete. The erosion can and probably will simply restart underneath them.

I also thought that Cali had an extensive network of water diversion pipes and aqueducts so that they could shuffle water around.

Yes, but mostly south of Sacramento:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/California_State_Water_Project.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Central_valley_project-01.png

Maybe it's time to build a new dam somewhere. Shift some of the water around next time they get excess run off. Or enable them to pump this one dry and redo the whole thing. Stronger better safer and then refill it. That would create a few jobs.

There are smaller reservoirs upstream on both forks of the Feather. But they're relatively small.

The last major dam built in California took almost a miracle to get constructed: New Melones. The Auburn Dam has been talked about for over 50 years (minor construction was completed), and the environ-mentalists come out of the woodwork immediately any time someone brings it up again (but Auburn would be relief for the American River, not Feather, especially on Folsom Lake/Dam).

vacuum

14th February 2017, 09:18 PM

Stay away. Far, far away.

https://s28.postimg.org/vnv8wd6ul/1487128600697.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/6abauejkp/1487128996330.jpg

https://s27.postimg.org/5aqxbajer/1487128673297.jpg

Glass

14th February 2017, 09:19 PM

I
Yes, but mostly south of Sacramento

There are smaller reservoirs upstream on both forks of the Feather. But they're relatively small..

So the water is now flowing down river, moving towards the souther canals, aqueduct systems and reservoirs. Where it should have been heading weeks before........Right?

The infrastructure was always there and ready, they just needed to create the emergency to trigger the "relief money" and to do that they had to hold off on the evacuation until the last minute for maximum "emergency" impact to force the hand or ensure they qualified.

Or as is being suggested, this was phase 1.0. With incoming weather and future snow melt, they get to run the program again as version 2.0. The work from 1.0 either won't be finished or started or ever intended to finish or start before the 2.0 program loop gets underway. As the next lot of weather and spring thaw gets underway. I guess it all depends on how much water will come in on the rain in addition to the amount that is currently banked/on deposit in the snow falls.

yes I agree. there is no logical reason to be complacent and think catastrophe is not coming. Perhaps delayed is a better word than averted.

I think that series of photos on the slip way are exaggerating the distance by about 2 times. Not saying erosion hasn't happened but I think the distance is about half what the arrows are claiming.

Cebu_4_2

14th February 2017, 09:29 PM

Fucking crap, they built shit under budget to get the low bid. Done the job and not now not liable because they passed all inspections. Was this project a part of the stocks for investing idea? Whomever was the inspecting committee is at fault, not the builders. Let it rain.

Norweger

15th February 2017, 01:06 AM

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/213280.jpg

Cebu_4_2

15th February 2017, 02:09 AM

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/213280.jpg

No running water.

Joshua01

15th February 2017, 07:31 AM

Has it started to rain yet?

Hitch

15th February 2017, 07:59 AM

No running water.

No water, period. We went from Niagra falls to a picnic park in a day. No mud even. Also, what is on cement truck going to do about that hole. The isn't even any cement.

Horn

15th February 2017, 10:00 AM

Trump like Flash Gordon has Saved Northern California.

San FranFlakeos must rejoice in the coming promise of infrastructure Nationalization that is Trump's bekon call.

monty

15th February 2017, 10:20 AM

No water, period. We went from Niagra falls to a picnic park in a day. No mud even. Also, what is on cement truck going to do about that hole. The isn't even any cement.

That is a concrete pumper truck, he is waiting for the next mixer to back in. They are placing a concrete cap over the shoulder of the road to stabilze the shoulder. They will back dump trucks down the road to fill the hole after the shoulder is concreted. Once the hole is filled they will continue with the road repair. They are pumping concrete over the rock shot to cap the area towards the spillway trying to protect it from further erosion.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-58a21075/turbine/la-oroville-20170213/

Norweger

15th February 2017, 10:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTaSmqru8mM

The picture i posted a page back shows just a small section of the erosion. Fast forward to 5:26.

Horn

15th February 2017, 10:27 AM

That is a concrete pumper truck, he is waiting for the next mixer to back in. They are placing a concrete cap over the shoulder of the road to stabilze the shoulder. They will back dump trucks down the road to fill the hole after the shoulder is concreted. Once the hole is filled they will continue with the road repair.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-58a21075/turbine/la-oroville-20170213/

No doubt there are 2 mixer trucks stuck on the top of the dam face to face in traffic deciding who goes around the other first..

vacuum

15th February 2017, 10:44 AM

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/213280.jpg

Are they tring to fill that with concrete?

monty

15th February 2017, 10:56 AM

Are they tring to fill that with concrete?

It looks like they are trying to cap the side closest to the main spillway to prevent further erosion in that dicection. Most likely they will fill the hole with rock then cap it with a mixture of concrete and boulders. If the water goes over the emergency spillway again it will likely undermine the new cap and further erode back towards the the concrete wier of the emergency spillway. The imminent danger is losing the weir. Also if the water should th erode the soil back to where the the main spillway exits the lake there will be massivie flooding below. Both scenarios are possible with heavy rains and or excessivley warm temperatures in the high Sierras. The lake is full, no room for more storage.

Norweger

15th February 2017, 10:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Rzi8kELM4

Joshua01

15th February 2017, 11:17 AM

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/George-Costanza-Eating-Popcorn.gif
It looks like they are trying to cap the side closest to the main spillway to prevent further erosion in that dicection. Most likely they will fill the hole with rock then cap it with a mixture of concrete and boulders. If the water goes over the emergency spillway again it will likely undermine the new cap and further erode back towards the the concrete wier of the emergency spillway. The imminent danger is losing the weir. Also if the water should th erode the soil back to where the the main spillway exits the lake there will be massivie flooding below. Both scenarios are possible with heavy rains and or excessivley warm temperatures in the high Sierras. The lake is full, no room for more storage.

vacuum

15th February 2017, 12:53 PM

It looks like they are trying to cap the side closest to the main spillway to prevent further erosion in that dicection. Most likely they will fill the hole with rock then cap it with a mixture of concrete and boulders. If the water goes over the emergency spillway again it will likely undermine the new cap and further erode back towards the the concrete wier of the emergency spillway. The imminent danger is losing the weir. Also if the water should th erode the soil back to where the the main spillway exits the lake there will be massivie flooding below. Both scenarios are possible with heavy rains and or excessivley warm temperatures in the high Sierras. The lake is full, no room for more storage.

Must be stressful running quick cure concrete through a machine that expensive.

osoab

15th February 2017, 03:43 PM

So it looks like they want to use the ES. The erosion on the lake side of the MS is troublesome. So what are the odds this thing fails by Tuesday?

This image (link below) is probably from late yesterday. Shows the new road and them filling the chasm on the far side of the ES. What still bothers me is that there is only one pumper truck. Why not five crews?
https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/7bfb5f803e01e6e36c5d0cf583097f44.jpg

DWR released a pic dated today. This is their only one dated today. Honestly, it looks like the CHPs pic that I saw yesterday.
http://pixel-ca-dwr.photoshelter.com/galleries/C0000OxvlgXg3yfg/G00003YCcmDTx48Y/I0000YMy5DO7QqpA/DK-Oro-Spillway-damage-02-15-2017-IMG-4211-jpg

Lake Oroville has dropped 25 feet since evacuations (http://www.kcra.com/article/lake-oroville-has-dropped-25-feet-since-evacuations/8878767)

Updated: 1:46 PM PST Feb 15, 2017

OROVILLE, Calif. (KCRA) — One day after evacuees were allowed to return to their homes near Lake Oroville and farther downstream along the Feather River, water is still being drained Wednesday at the reservoir in an effort to get it back to a reasonable flood-control level before the upcoming storms.

Lake Oroville was down more than 25 feet since hitting a record high of 902 feet on Sunday, as of 11 a.m. Wednesday, according to the California Department of Water Resources.

Water officials are still letting out nearly 100,000 cubic feet per second (cfs) via the normal spillway, which is where the initial erosion damage was discovered March 7. Inflows to the lake are about 20,000 cfs. The reservoir is dropping about 8 inches per hour.

California Department of Water Resources
Lake Oroville storage levels on Feb. 15, 2017

KCRA's Brian Hickey got a first look at the spillway from the base since evacuations were ordered Sunday evening. He described it as "an incredible and positive scene."
WHERE DO EVACUATIONS STAND?

Mandatory evacuations were lifted at 1 p.m. Tuesday, (http://www.kcra.com/article/1-week-later-where-does-lake-oroville-stand/8778911) allowing nearly 200,000 people to get back to their homes after spending two nights scattered at evacuation shelters, homes and friends' houses.

However, Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea emphasized that there is still an evacuation warning in place, and that people should remain vigilant during the very fluid spillway situation. (http://www.kcra.com/article/evacuees-return-to-oroville-prepare-to-leave-again/8836259)
Honea said Wednesday that the ease in the evacuation order allows people to "get things together in case there is an evacuation order needed."

Honea added that even though the immediate evacuation orders have been lifted, there could still be a chance that an emergency situation arises, which would lead to more evacuations.

"This is a good time for people to think about where they should go and how they would get there," Honea said. "That was an incredibly chaotic situation, but despite how chaotic it was, I'm really proud and thankful of the citizens of Butte County."

IS THE OROVILLE DAM IN DANGER?

California DWR acting director Bill Croyle made sure to note that the Oroville Dam structure is still safe and has not been affected by the erosion that has plagued both the main and emergency spillway.

However, Croyle said Wednesday that outflows by way of the main spillway may be decreased over the next few days to ensure nothing is compromised at the dam infrastructure that connects to the main spillway.

"We're looking at the planned ramp-down based on the design criteria for the dam," Croyle said. "The idea for that is we don't want to tear our flood control structure up any more than it already has."

A chute that's not visible is carved into solid rock and leads out into the main spillway. There are limits to how much water can be let out of that chute in a certain period of time, Croyle said.

"If we continue to remove water from the reservoir at 100,000 cfs, then that can affect the rock formation at the top of the chute," Croyle said. "We want to make sure we can operate within the design criteria for that flood-control structure."

HOW ARE REPAIRS COMING ALONG?

Repair efforts at the emergency spillway began Monday afternoon as construction crews started assembling 2- to 3-ton bags of rock and sand that have been placed at the outer base of the overflow spillway.

Crews have continued that work 24/7 since then and are making "great progress on the construction," Croyle said Wednesday.

"We are working on those challenged areas that have been lost by the erosion at the dam spillway," Croyle said. "We will continue those activities as long as the ground conditions support the truck traffic and the wind conditions allow for air operations with the helicopters."

About 1,200 tons of material per hour is being placed at the erosion holes below the emergency spillway.

"That production rate is amazing," Croyle said.

WAS LOOTING AN ISSUE DURING EVACUATIONS?

"We've had no incidents of looting," Honea said. "That was a misreport -- don't have it."

There have been several burglaries, which are different than looting.

"Burglary is when someone enters a place to steal, but that's typically isolated to one individual," Honea said. "Looting is when a bunch of people break into, for instance, a business, and completely empty it out. Burglaries, regrettably, happen all the time. Looting is a rare occurrence."

Several hundred law enforcement officers have been patrolling in the evacuation areas to prevent instances like that. Some Butte County sheriff's deputies have caught several people in the act of a burglary, Honea said.

osoab

15th February 2017, 03:44 PM

Must be stressful running quick cure concrete through a machine that expensive.

You have a point. Have you seen any water trucks on standby in any of the pics showing the concrete equipment?

crimethink

15th February 2017, 03:46 PM

Rain is on the way. NWS just issued a flood watch for my county until tomorrow. We are two to four weather-hours (100 miles) west of Oroville.

Oroville Forecast:

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=39.51377593300049&lon=-121.5563599089997#.WKTgTBq7qUk

crimethink

15th February 2017, 04:08 PM

What still bothers me is that there is only one pumper truck. Why not five crews?

They simply don't care.

I was naive when I expected to see an army of equipment working out there.

crimethink

15th February 2017, 05:28 PM

The levees around the bay area extending to the Sac valley is the untold threat. There's over 1000 miles of levees. They are all failing and aging. There's talk it could be worse than the Katrine flood in New Orleans. Some of my work has been involved with those levees, repairing them. I don't think they can handle the water that's coming.

There's really no place for all this water to go if the reservoirs and lakes can't handle it....and it's only Feb. It's only going to get worse.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article132779679.html

All eyes have been on the crisis at Oroville Dam, but weeks of wet weather have put pressure elsewhere on the network of levees and dams protecting cities and farms in California’s vast Central Valley flood plain.

Almost all of the major reservoirs that ring the Valley have filled to the point that officials have cranked up releases to catch water from a storm building up off California’s coast that’s expected to hit Wednesday night.

Most of the river flows below the dams haven’t exceeded the capacity of the levees that line their channels, and independent experts say California’s flood-control network has endured the exceptionally wet winter rather well.

But some levees, including those that protect the Sacramento region, are showing signs of the strain as prolonged heavy river flows push back.

“That groaning sound you’re hearing throughout the Central Valley isn’t the dams – it’s the levees,” said Jeffrey Mount, the former director of the UC Davis Center for Watershed Sciences. “We’re stressing them pretty well right now. And, just as you’d expect, issues are starting to crop up.”

The most obvious of those near Sacramento is in the northern Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta.

Fearing a dangerous levee-cracking “flood pulse,” workers this weekend intentionally breached a levee along the Mokelumne River in the north Delta. The breach flooded the levee-ringed McCormack-Williamson Tract of farmland near Walnut Grove in Sacramento County.

A bit farther south at Tyler Island, crews were working frantically Tuesday to patch a levee in the hopes of saving around 20 homes from being inundated from what officials described as an imminent collapse.

On Tuesday, crews used a crane to scoop huge loads of stone from a barge onto the huge crater that had formed in the levee, taking most of a gravel road with it.

“The key is we’ve got to get weight on this thing,” said Steve Mello, a Tyler Island resident and a trustee of the local reclamation district. He had no estimate when residents could return to their homes.

Mount said he expects more trouble to pop up along Delta levees in the weeks ahead from the continual rush of powerful flows from the estuary’s two primary rivers – the Sacramento and San Joaquin.

Mount said the flows from the rivers and tributaries such as the Mokelumne have fueled powerful tides from the Pacific Ocean that are pushing back in the other direction.

“The Delta is basically in a hydrological vise right now,” he said.

With potentially months left of rain and runoff from melting mountain snow, crews are already working round the clock to patrol the levees looking for breaches along the 70 levee-ringed tracts of land that make up the Delta, said Erik Vink, executive director of the Delta Protection Commission. These tracts are commonly called “islands” because they’re surrounded by canals, sloughs and channels.

“There’s certainly a lot of vigilance right now,” he said. “People are keeping a really close eye out, and they’re prepared to shift into flood-fight mode at a moment’s notice. There’s just a lot of water out there.”

Of particular concern both in and out of the Delta is the San Joaquin River, which is flowing higher than it has in years. Some buildings along its banks west of Turlock already have flooded. On Tuesday, officials issued a flood warning along the river southwest of Manteca.

Meanwhile, a key tributary of San Joaquin River – the Tuolumne River – has strained the regional flood-protection system east of Modesto to the brink.

Locals have been nervously watching the precariously full Don Pedro Reservoir. The reservoir, which has more than twice the capacity of Folsom Lake, was less than 3 feet from being completely full on Tuesday.

Operators of New Don Pedro Dam have their fingers crossed that the approaching storm follows Tuesday’s forecast: a relatively cold storm that will dump snow in the Sierra Nevada instead of the warm rain and melting snow that could prompt huge releases at the lake. That would overwhelm the small Tuolumne River channel and flood part of Modesto.

As it stood Tuesday, forecasts pointed to the lake avoiding such problems for the next 16 days, said Calvin Curtin, a spokesman for the Turlock Irrigation District, which manages the dam.

“It will be extremely close, but ... it’s not projected to spill at this point,” he said.

Closer to Sacramento, local levees were showing signs of stress, but experts weren’t worried.

“Sacramento has a lot of protection,” said Joe Countryman, a member of the Central Valley Flood Protection Board and a former engineer with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

He said the region has performed substantial levee upgrades over the years. Sacramento also is protected by a robust system of outlets that spill major Sacramento and American river flows in the massive engineered Yolo Bypass flood plain west of the city.

But Countryman added, “You have levees, you have water – you’re going to have seepage.”

That was evident Monday when crews began emergency work along the Sacramento River to cork three boils that formed along a levee near the confluence of the Feather River north of Sacramento International Airport. Boils form when water seeps under the levee and eventually pushes its way to the land side, creating a small geyser. Local flood officials said they believed they had the problem under control.

Farther south, in urban Sacramento, residents were spotting likely levee seepage in some areas of the Pocket, Little Pocket and Land Park neighborhoods adjacent to the Sacramento River.

So far, nothing has raised concerns, said Russ Eckman, a California Department of Water Resources superintendent responsible for levee maintenance in several capital-area counties.

In the Little Pocket on Tuesday, water was actually trickling down the lawns in front of some homes, but residents also didn’t seem too worried.

Michael Proctor said his family has owned his home on Riverview Court since 1971, and he remembers when the seepage used to be really bad before local levees were upgraded.

“We’d have 4 or 5 inches of water in the backyard,” Proctor said. “When my family first moved here, you’d see pipes coming out of everyone’s backyard.”

vacuum

15th February 2017, 08:27 PM

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/atmos-river-oroville-dam.gif

Glass

15th February 2017, 10:14 PM

Here's our local friend again. Good update although from a couple days ago. I didn't see this earlier. His first video got picked up by a lot of news and info clearing sites.

Has some images taken by emergency workers on the ground at the dam. Right close up of the spillway, emergency spill way and the ponds etc at the base. The water flow, erosion etc. Video of the helicopters dumping the rocks etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKW_YG1jq8A

Hitch

16th February 2017, 08:30 PM

“That groaning sound you’re hearing throughout the Central Valley isn’t the dams – it’s the levees,” said Jeffrey Mount, the former director of the UC Davis Center for Watershed Sciences. “We’re stressing them pretty well right now. And, just as you’d expect, issues are starting to crop up.”

The levees are not sophisticated engineering accomplishments. All they are is dirt piled up, with rocks on top. Then smooth some gravel for a road way and call it good.

That's it. All they do to "maintain these highly engineered projects", is hire some meathead to pile more rock on top of the dirt.

Everyone thumps their chest, collects a tax payer check and if it looks good, it is.

The whole thing is a scam, and when if fails...and it will, the whole system collapses. You can't fix these levees. They were designed wrong, and pouring more rock and gravel on top of them won't fix it.

EE_

16th February 2017, 08:45 PM

EE_

16th February 2017, 08:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgBW09wd5so

Hitch

16th February 2017, 09:10 PM

Is it raining?

It pounded this morning. I highly recommend Grundens gear if you are out in. It was like working in a shower, but I stayed dry.

We have more rain coming. One thing I saw, was a current line where the tides met the flow of water from upriver. Never seen anything like it. It was a line where two opposing water currents met. It stretched as far as I could see. There was actually white caps where these two massive bodies of waters met.

We are throwing our tide books overboard. They mean nothing. With the amount of water coming down to us, tides predicted, mean nothing.

Basically, the river water flowing to us is overpowering the tides of the ocean. Think about that, for a minute, and let me know your thoughts.

Norweger

16th February 2017, 09:27 PM

Supposedly the water level was just a few feet above the emergency spillway last time. Some say that it will go several feet higher this time.

Hitch

16th February 2017, 09:35 PM

Supposedly the water level was just a few feet above the emergency spillway last time. Some say that it will go several feet higher this time.

Just don't blow it up. Several feet higher is enough of a challenge without the Jihadists showing up all cock and balls.

vacuum

16th February 2017, 09:46 PM

I can't believe its actually going to happen.

Joshua01

16th February 2017, 10:05 PM

Nothing has happened yet!
I can't believe its actually going to happen.

crimethink

16th February 2017, 11:52 PM

The levees are not sophisticated engineering accomplishments. All they are is dirt piled up, with rocks on top. Then smooth some gravel for a road way and call it good.

That's it. All they do to "maintain these highly engineered projects", is hire some meathead to pile more rock on top of the dirt.

Everyone thumps their chest, collects a tax payer check and if it looks good, it is.

The whole thing is a scam, and when if fails...and it will, the whole system collapses. You can't fix these levees. They were designed wrong, and pouring more rock and gravel on top of them won't fix it.

Over the last century, the land in the Delta has been burned repeatedly, and since it's peat, the level of the land has dropped up to dozens of feet. Those levees used to have land behind them, shoring them up.

https://ca.water.usgs.gov/land_subsidence/

https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2000/fs00500/

https://ca.water.usgs.gov/land_subsidence/images/california-land-subsidence.jpg

The numbers indicate the land level in those years.

osoab

17th February 2017, 05:11 AM

There has not been a real pic of the main spillway since the 14th. One was released on the 15th but it was too broad. None for the 16th.

Link to DWRs pictures. I cannot upload the pics for some reason. They want you to log in to download too. In the second pic they show a 2nd pumper truck.

http://pixel-ca-dwr.photoshelter.com/galleries/C0000OxvlgXg3yfg/G00003YCcmDTx48Y/I0000UfEfOmlRmiE/KG-oro-spillway-damage-12074-02-16-2017-jpg

EE_

17th February 2017, 06:06 AM

It pounded this morning. I highly recommend Grundens gear if you are out in. It was like working in a shower, but I stayed dry.

We have more rain coming. One thing I saw, was a current line where the tides met the flow of water from upriver. Never seen anything like it. It was a line where two opposing water currents met. It stretched as far as I could see. There was actually white caps where these two massive bodies of waters met.

We are throwing our tide books overboard. They mean nothing. With the amount of water coming down to us, tides predicted, mean nothing.

Basically, the river water flowing to us is overpowering the tides of the ocean. Think about that, for a minute, and let me know your thoughts.

Your's is not a job, it's an adventure!

osoab

17th February 2017, 06:21 AM

Joshua01

17th February 2017, 06:47 AM

Any reports from the dam yet? It's like the area is censored off. What is it they don't want us to see?

osoab

17th February 2017, 06:56 AM

Any reports from the dam yet? It's like the area is censored off. What is it they don't want us to see?

It's on lock down. They give a few aerial shots. They are avoiding closeups on the main spillway. I posted the link to the dwr picture archive a little while ago.

EE_

17th February 2017, 06:58 AM

Meanwhile...

Home sales/values must be sucking wind in the Porter Ranch area and below the Oroville damn.

Media Silent As Mystery Illness Plagues Residents One Year After Historic US Gas Leak
by Tyler Durden
Feb 16, 2017 9:40 PM
Submitted by Carey Wedler via TheAntiMedia.org,

A year after the largest methane leak in U.S. history was sealed in Porter Ranch, California, residents are continuing to experience significant adverse health consequences. As SoCalGas - the company responsible for the blowout - uses fabricated gas shortages to justify reopening the Aliso Canyon gas storage facility, which has been shut down indefinitely since the leak occurred, a local doctor is now speaking out.

Dr. Jeffrey Nordella has been treating Porter Ranch residents since the blowout of an underground methane storage well caused tons of methane gas to spewing the atmosphere in October 2015. A total of 5 billion cubic feet of methane was released into the atmosphere from October 23 to February 18, “or enough pollution to match the annual output of nearly 600,000 cars,” The Guardian noted shortly after it was sealed.

Though the leak was sealed last February, residents have continued to complain of symptoms. Though some local news outlets have provided consistent coverage of the disaster’s aftermath, most national outlets stopped covering the story after the blown-out well was closed and, consequently, the immediate drama of the story subsided.

But Nordella says that since the gas leak began, he has been inundated with patients of all ages.

“Those symptoms were broad but yet had a common denominator. Eye and nasal irritation, headache, nosebleed, sore throat, loss of voice, cough, shortness of breath, palpitations, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, fatigue, and skin rashes were among the most common,” he said during a press conference at his urgent care facility last Wednesday.

According to the local Daily News:

“He’s seeing abnormal pulmonary functions among some of those patients, and low red blood cell counts in others. He’s reviewed the files of residents whose family members died and said he’s seen a rare case of anemia that can be connected to toxic exposure.”

Nordella says the symptoms he’s seen in patients are “clearly different from those with a common upper respiratory tract infection, seasonal allergies, sinus infections, and viral bronchitis.” He also said multiple contaminants could be causing the variety of health issues.

According to Nordella, patients who evacuated Porter Ranch experienced relief from their symptoms only to endure them again upon moving back into their homes. He also said one family, who moved away permanently, experienced continued skin rashes when they came into contact with belongings from their Porter Ranch home. He believes this indicates contaminants from the blowout may still be coating the interiors of residencies in the area.

Porter Ranch locals have feared the effects not only of methane, but also mercaptans — odorants added to natural gas to alert those nearby to its presence — and benzene, a carcinogenic substance found in the atmosphere during the leak (officials have asserted that though benzene levels were elevated during the leak, they were similar to what the rest of the city of Los Angeles is normally exposed to). Other substances released included toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylenes, which are known to cause a range of symptoms.

Residents have referred to the decades-old facility as a “dinosaur,” and many in the area have continued to smell mercaptans in the air as they experience ongoing symptoms — over a year after the leak was sealed.

Because of these factors and the gas company’s ongoing attempts to re-open Aliso Canyon, Nordella felt compelled to speak out. As he told Anti-Media:

“I will admit… that it was a little bit concerning that they were moving at such a rapid pace, wanting to re-pressurize these rock beds, so I figured that we would move forward prior to that.”

During his press conference, he clarified that he has not been contacted by “anyone from the gas company or Sempra,” has “not been retained by any law firm,” and has had “no communications with politicians.” He is also not affiliated with Save Porter Ranch, the community activist group created out of safety concerns before the massive leak even occurred. That group is fighting for a total shutdown of the facility.

Nordella initiated a health screening for patients presenting symptoms, and though he admits his sample size is small — about 50 patients — he is calling for independent research into the effects of the leak, saying he cares about “the people, the patients, and the science.”

“I will not deviate from the people. We all know about the potential politics here. I want to make sure that this is neutral, clean, and it’s done properly,” he said, suggesting a study be conducted by researchers outside of California to achieve these goals.

Some California lawmakers are working to pass S.B. 57 within the state, which would shut down the facility “until [a] comprehensive review of the safety of the gas storage wells at the facility is completed” and the cause of the blowout can be determined. But politics-as-usual has riddled efforts to mitigate the effects of the catastrophe, which could be seen from space at its peak. Governor Jerry Brown, who often claims to champion environmental issues, waited two-and-a-half months to declare a state of emergency over the blowout, which forced thousands of evacuations and doubled Los Angeles’ greenhouse gas emissions by releasing nearly 100,000 metric tons of methane. His sister sits on the board of directors for SoCalGas’ parent company, Sempra Energy.

The Southern California Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD) has also been accused of failing to sufficiently serve Porter Ranch residents. The agency recently settled a lawsuit filed by state regulators over its handling of the gas leak. In that agreement, they agreed to pay $1 million for a health study to determine the effects.

But residents are dissatisfied with that outcome. “What should have been a $40 million long-term health study is only a $1 million health risk assessment,” asserts Save Porter Ranch.

“It’s a study, but not a health study,” said Angelo Bellomo, the Los Angeles County deputy director for health protection at the Department of Public Health. “It is not responsive to addressing the health needs and concerns to this community. More importantly, it’s inconsistent with advice given to AQMD by health officials.”

The Department of Public Health (DPH) has disappointed residents over its lack of attentiveness and apparent incompetence throughout the ordeal. As Nordella said:

“I anticipated our politicians, Department of Public Health, and community leaders would act and recruit the appropriate parties to investigate so that the short- and long-term health effects could be revealed, but to no avail. Instead, what I received from DPH was, in my opinion, misguided information.”
Even DPH has acknowledged the study SCAQMD is funding was supposed to have cost up to $40 million, admitting its limitations.

Nordella says he has managed to schedule a meeting with DPH and has informed them the community’s trust in authorities is waning.

He has vowed to remain independent as he continues to advocate for patients.

In the meantime, SoCalGas is still fighting to reopen the facility, going so far as faking a gas shortage ahead of a public hearing on Aliso Canyon’s status. As a result, they withdrew gas from the facility for the first time since January 2016. The company has been caught deceiving residents and regulators on multiple occasions, including denying the blowout when concerned citizens called their hotline in the early days of the crisis.

For now, those seeking to keep the facility closed are gaining ground. S.B. 57 was approved late last week by the state’s Senate Natural Resources and Water Committee, and according to Save Porter Ranch, Democrats now officially support it.

As Nordella said during his press conference:

“Until a study is completed … it is nothing short of an act of negligence to reopen the Aliso Canyon facility. The people of the community deserve better. I’m extremely concerned that I’ve just scratched the surface and that there are other significant medical cases within the community.”
In contrast, SoCalGas claims “There is no dependency on or need to wait for the results of the Root Cause Analysis. SoCalGas has demonstrated that the field is safe to resume injection operations,” according to its website.

Nordella, however, is adamantly opposed to reopening Aliso Canyon because of the health risks it poses.

“As a doctor, my interest is very high on making sure that this did not make the residents of the community sick,” he told Anti-Media. “If it did, they should shut it all down and abort these fields. They should not move forward — should not move forward — and repressurize this system until we find out the health effects of the first blowout.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-16/media-silent-mystery-illness-plagues-residents-one-year-after-historic-us-gas-leak

Joshua01

17th February 2017, 06:59 AM

Seriously, I'm expecting something big to go down over the next couple of days and I believe they are also...that's the reason for the lockdown IMHO. The people in charge in CA are about as idiotic as it gets. I actually feel bad for the good people in CA.

Horn

17th February 2017, 07:32 AM

osoab

17th February 2017, 07:40 AM

How many water feet were they able to shed in 4 days?

I heard they shed something like 7ft the first day or so.

Looks like they are now 50'. Outflows have been reduced to 80,000cfs.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?ORO

02/17/2017 06:00

861.47

2965184

79963

23018

92987

35.36

13.4

Horn

17th February 2017, 10:37 AM

All is cherry then.

Here's to Northern California joining Trump admin. in new infrastructure taxing plans...

Is there a state anthem we should all recite or something?

EE_

17th February 2017, 11:25 AM

All is cherry then.

Here's to Northern California joining Trump admin. in new infrastructure taxing plans...

Is there a state anthem we should all recite or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zQTmkY7GI

osoab

17th February 2017, 12:10 PM

FEMA supplies arrive at Travis Air Force Base in case of Oroville emergency (http://www.kcra.com/article/fema-supplies-arrive-at-travis-air-force-base-in-case-of-oroville-emergency/8944641)

Big rigs filled with emergency supplies from FEMA have been arriving at Travis Air Force Base since Wednesday night.

“Cots, blankets, water, generators,” said Col. Mike Hames, senior director for FEMA’s Region 9 of the Air Force EPLO (Emergency Preparedness Liaison Officers.)

Hames’ job is to help coordinate this partnership between the Air Force and FEMA.

“FEMA has requested to use the Air Force base as a good community partner to assist in providing space, so they can stage their vehicles and supplies here, so they're immediately ready to help the public when needed,” Hames said.

“They don't want to be caught too late to the fight, if you will, to get the supplies and such there."

As the trucks make their way onto the base, they're checked in and accounted for by FEMA crews before getting parked and staged in case they need to be sent to Oroville.

“We’re working really closely. We're embedded with our state partners. We're monitoring the situation at the Oroville Dam Spillway in case more federal assistance is needed,” external affairs officer for FEMA Region 9 Veronica Verde said.

The mobilization comes two days after President Donald Trump approved Gov. Jerry Brown's request for a federal emergency declaration in Oroville.

At least 44 trucks and more than two dozen personnel from FEMA are expected to arrive at the base through Friday.

“We'll move them as quickly as we can, as soon as the state says there's a need for them,” Verde said.

With the emergency declaration approved, the state will now be responsible for only a quarter of the costs of these supplies. FEMA will pay for the other 75 percent.

But officials hope none of the trucks have to be deployed to Oroville.

“We are all hoping and keeping our fingers crossed that we won't use any of them and everything stays normal,” Hames said.