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cheka.
22nd February 2017, 04:07 PM
Skype talking down commercial RE in a big way -- malls and apartments (and associated derivs) said to be in jeopardy

http://implode-explode.com/viewnews/2017-02-22_BanksRetreatFromApartmentMarket.html

Swelling supplies of apartment units are prompting big banks to pull back from new projects, forcing developers to scramble for capital, in a sign that the U.S. apartment industry headed for a downturn.

The apartment sector, which contributes some $284 billion to the economy annually, has been a winning bet for investors since the housing crash, as the economy recovered and more renters sought out units. Since 2010, average U.S. apartment rents have increased by 26%, according to data tracker MPF Research, a division of RealPage.

But fresh supply is beginning to overwhelm demand. More than 378,000 new apartments are expected to be completed in 2017, a 30-year high, according to real estate researcher Axiometrics Inc. In the fourth quarter of last year, 88,000 units were completed but only 50,000 of those were rented by tenants, according to MPF.

"Our business has radically changed," said Toby Bozzuto, president and chief executive of the Bozzuto Group, which owns or manages 59,000 apartments in cities across the U.S. "I haven't seen anything this seismically different since 2008, when credit dried up."

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-08/deutsche-bank-analysts-say-time-to-short-cmbs-as-retailers-ail

Analysts at Deutsche Bank AG, one of the biggest underwriters of bonds tied to U.S. commercial mortgages, say now it’s time to bet against the securities.

The bonds are vulnerable because they are supported in part by leases from retailers, a lagging part of the economy, wrote Ed Reardon and Simon Mui in a note this week. A combination of bankruptcies and closures could lead to faster-than-expected mortgage defaults for stores and malls, as long-term pressure from internet competitors wears many companies down, the analysts wrote.

Deutsche Bank recommends that investors bet against two series of indexes of commercial mortgage bonds: one from 2012, and another from 2013, a trade that amounts to shorting the underlying securities. Those indexes have larger exposure to malls than their more recent counterparts.

The lender famously recommended betting against real estate before. Before the financial crisis, traders led by Greg Lippmann shorted residential mortgage bonds, which helped the lender weather the global banking meltdown. His efforts were portrayed in the book and movie “The Big Short.”

Falling Index

In this week’s note, Deutsche Bank advised buying credit default protection on the parts of CMBX indexes that are a single step above junk, known as the BBB- tranches. Morgan Stanley recommended betting against portions of those indexes last week. The BBB- rated portion of the 2012 Markit CMBX price index, known as the series 6, has been falling since the end of January.

That index traded at 90 cents on the dollar on Wednesday, compared with 95.2 cents on the dollar on Jan. 27, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The price has dropped as wagers on the index have climbed in recent weeks, reaching $2.3 billion at the end of last week, according to Depository Trust & Clearing Corp. data.

Analysts and investors have sounded alarms for at least two years about the worsening quality of underwriting for commercial mortgage securities. Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen warned in 2015 that the property bond market was becoming overheated. She cautioned about high commercial real estate prices last month as well. Investors at Deutsche Bank’s own asset management unit were among bond investors that met with regulators in late 2014 to share their concerns about underwriters refusing to hire bond graders that didn’t give them the ratings they wanted.

Deutsche Bank was the biggest underwriter of commercial mortgage bonds in 2012 and 2013, selling about a fifth of the deals, according to trade publication Commercial Mortgage Alert. Buying default protection on the CMBX indexes from those years amounts to betting against many of the bonds the bank sold during that period.

Commercial mortgage bonds that the bank underwrote have performed worse than those of many rivals, said Don McConnell, a senior portfolio manager at Bank of Montreal’s BMO Global Asset Management in Chicago, who helps manage $15 billion of taxable bonds. Of property securities that are delinquent, 40 percent were underwritten by Deutsche Bank, the highest of any lender, even though it is the second-biggest underwriter, he said. JPMorgan Chase & Co., the biggest underwriter, accounts for 10 percent of delinquencies.

Failing Malls

More losses may be coming. The Hudson Valley Mall went into foreclosure last year after Macy’s Inc. and J.C. Penney Co. left the mall. The mall liquidated last month at a $42 million loss to investors -- by far the largest realized loss since the CMBS market restarted in 2010, according to Morningstar Credit Ratings. Sears Holdings Corp.’s credit rating was recently cut further into junk territory after sales in stores open at least a year fell 12 to 13 percent during the holidays.

“Big mall loans have outsize losses for investors,” said Morningstar analyst Edward Dittmer. “We expect the stores like Sears, Macy’s and Penney to close more stores later this year and next year, and as they close, there will be knock-on effects that lead to other mall tenants leaving. This can start the cycle of blight.”

Dogman
22nd February 2017, 04:33 PM
Without a doubt history has proven, what goes up will crash down !

The question is when?

Stock markets now are driven by more by smoke and mirrors and not so much by reality.

Got popping corn?

crimethink
22nd February 2017, 05:21 PM
(((Commercial Real Estate))) needs to take a well-deserved hit. And (((shopping mall property management))) with it.

Dogman
22nd February 2017, 05:42 PM
You are a total hooot...;D

Clueless smart idiot, all because of being narrow minded..

Sad. because that makes you an self willed idiot..

Which is epic sad !

crimethink
22nd February 2017, 05:45 PM
You are a total hooot...;D

Clueless smart idiot, all because of being narrow minded..

Sad

The faggot speaks!

You worried your slums are going to lose value?

Dogman
22nd February 2017, 05:55 PM
The faggot speaks!

You worried your slums are going to lose value?You are so funny !

You have lost this round, because you had to go into ad hominem attacks, with out any recourse, day to day poverty is real in Tex, unlike your socialist state.

Keep showing your ass as you normally do..

;D



Truth hurts doesnet ass lick !

JohnQPublic
22nd February 2017, 05:59 PM
Guess time to buy is coming soon?

crimethink
22nd February 2017, 06:07 PM
Clueless smart idiot, all because of being narrow minded..

Sad. because that makes you an self willed idiot..




You have lost this round, because you had to go into ad hominem attacks


:rolleyes:



day to day poverty is real in Tex, unlike your socialist state.

Texas: second highest "socialist" welfare spending in the nation.

Dogman
22nd February 2017, 06:08 PM
Guess time to buy is coming soon?

For metals, may be.

For anything else, long run?

Dam good question.

Survival rate of they that prep, less than nuke and the majority still exists, nill to none long term, they will dig you out of your hole.

As always in the long run, majority rules