Deep State Neuroscientists Believe They Can Turn Off Free Will

[singular_me]

Deep State Neuroscientists Believe They Can Turn Off Free Will
23 February 2017


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjCt-L0Ph5o


VACCINE DESIGNED TO MODIFY BEHAVIOR -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iovr-oMUnuM


‘In the 1980s scientist Benjamin Libet conducted an experiment. He ‘discovered’ that what seems to be free will or the conscious choice to do or not do something is really just the observance of something that has already happened. This completely rocked the foundations of what most thought of as a prerequisite for being human, and the long-held religious view that free-will must always be honored.

Libet recorded people’s brainwaves as they made spontaneous finger movements while looking at a clock. The participants in the study were to tell researchers the time at which they decided to wave their fingers. Libet found that there were several milliseconds of preparatory brain activity prior to the time that people reported the conscious act of waving their fingers. His findings were taken as gospel that free will did not exist. Now we call this preparatory action of the brain the ‘readiness potential.’’
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/02/22/deep-state-neuroscientists-believe-can-turn-off-free-will/

[woodman]

There is no such thing as free will. They don't need to turn it off. It doesn't exist.

[midnight rambler]

There is no such thing as free will. They don't need to turn it off. It doesn't exist.

Free agency is our greatest gift from the Creator.

[singular_me]

in fact, teaching self-responsibility is teaching free will... but in our environment we are taught that human conditioning is free will.

[crimethink]

The Talmudvision-driven Psychodrome has already turned off free will for most Goyim. They only imagine they make independent, informed choices.

[Horn]

The article itself appears State programming, simply by titling itself Deep State.

Consciousness is always already the case, and unable to be modified or deepened.

In most cases what is considered "freewill" is turning away from consciousness, it also unavoidably exists and is also untenable to modification.

The only thing you can do is tune into either.

[Joshua01]

I have the free will to choose between, .38spl, .45acp, 9mm, 30.06, .308.....the options are endless

[Horn]

I have the free will to choose between, .38spl, .45acp, 9mm, 30.06, .308.....the options are endless

If you truly top have freewill, those bullets would choose you or someone would choose to put one in you.

Then you'd have nothing. :)

[Joshua01]

I have no illusions my friend, do you?
If you truly top have freewill, those bullets would choose you or someone would choose to put one in you.

Then you'd have nothing. :)

[Horn]

I have no illusions my friend, do you?

Quit lying with yourself, Josh

ILLusions are no more avoidable than the common cold, or buggers.

To go without any simply means you aren't living.

[goldleaf]

If there is no free will then there is no right or wrong.

[Joshua01]

I'm not the bad guy Horn, I'm really not
Quit lying with yourself, Josh

ILLusions are no more avoidable than the common cold, or buggers.

To go without any simply means you aren't living.

[Glass]

They aren't talking about turning off free will they are talking about interrupting it or short circuiting it. So when a person conceives a thought, they cause an interruption before it can be turned into action. The best kind of interruption is the one that causes the thought to be lost resulting in a "what was it I was thinking about? moment. I don't remember, Ah never mind. They can do this in a general way with TV and radio frequency already but are still working on the more targeted methods towards detecting an actual individuals thought forming and short circuiting that.

[Horn]

I'm not the bad guy Horn, I'm really not


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpqOADXCJoY

[palani]

My religion requires that I do not shirk responsibility. This from Ch XVI of Hobbes Leviathan


Actor, Author; Authority

Of Persons Artificiall, some have their words and actions Owned by those whom they represent. And then the Person is the Actor; and he that owneth his words and actions, is the AUTHOR: In which case the Actor acteth by Authority. For that which in speaking of goods and possessions, is called an Owner, and in latine Dominus, in Greeke Kurios; speaking of Actions, is called Author. And as the Right of possession, is called Dominion; so the Right of doing any Action, is called AUTHORITY. So that by Authority, is alwayes understood a Right of doing any act: and Done By Authority, done by Commission, or Licence from him whose right it is.

No free will means your words and actions are owned by the principal (those they represent). And this would make you a person artificial.

The system dearly would love to convert everyone from a sovereign to a slave. This is what they are about ('til you tell 'em to stop).

[Horn]

In any regards, I'm not worried about someone stealing away something I do not possess.

My freewill operates through my very own god proxy server, I do not even know the combination to.

[woodman]

The free will debate is the oldest debate there is. If you think about it long enough and deep enough you will come to the conclusion that every event in this universe happened because it had to. If it could have happened any other way, it would of. This is why I say that there is no doubt, 'The universe is rolling along exactly as it is supposed to.' You and I can make no other decision than the one we make, or else we would have made that decision instead. It is pure and elementary mathematics.

[midnight rambler]

You and I can make no other decision than the one we make

Both the evidence and experience indicate you're mistaken. Each of us has far more control/power than each of us realizes. It's a contest and it's TOTALLY about an individual's choice (i.e. exercising free agency).

[woodman]

Both the evidence and experience indicate you're mistaken. Each of us has far more control/power than each of us realizes. It's a contest and it's TOTALLY about an individual's choice (i.e. exercising free agency).

I don't think you understand what I am saying. I don't believe we have any difference on this debate. Nor do I believe there is no right or wrong. If a grizzly bear attacks my granddaughter he may feel he is acting properly, after all he is a grizzly bear, but I will do everything in my power to ensure he is unsuccessful in his actions. My decision is based upon who I am, who I am is based upon nature and nurture. It is all cause and effect.

Do you believe that God has any limitations? Do you believe he doesn't know every side of every grain of sand in the universe? He would have to know every detail of every atom with a total understanding of every vibration each atom will make throughout time, from beginning to end. Wouldn't God know, with an intimacy that defies our pitiful understanding, every decision a person will make throughout their lifetime. Every thought and every failing. Every joy and accomplishment?

I just love this argument and that is why I jumped in on this thread. Can you really disagree honestly with the argument I have laid down? I am not saying there is no right or wrong. Anyone who has read anything I've written here must understand at least that. I am not saying you cannot make a decision. Again, this goes against everything I believe in. I am merely saying that free will does not exist.

As far as the scientists go, they have already demonstrated that free will can be manipulated to the point where people supposedly acting on free will are making decisions that are based upon anything but their own will. As the tree is bent, so it shall grow. It will get far worse.

[midnight rambler]

A grizzly is not a living soul created in the image of God.

[Horn]

I don't think God has all the answers and is the cause reason for human condition. Freewill on the other hand isn't possessed, in most cases gifted to us for God's understanding.

If it were the case we possessed freewill ourselves, human's would have the power to make their heart's stop and the world vanish in an instant Without committing suicide. :)

[Joshua01]

I don't think God has all the answers and is the cause reason for human condition. Freewill on the other hand isn't possessed, in most cases gifted to us for God's understanding.

If it were the case we possessed freewill ourselves, human's would have the power to make their heart's stop and the world vanish in an instant Without committing suicide. :)
Yeah....let's dummy it down a bit. For the purpose of this discussion we can assume man's free will is limited to what is within his power to will.

Carry on...

[Horn]

Yeah....let's dummy it down a bit. For the purpose of this discussion we can assume man's free will is limited to what is within his power to will.

Carry on...

Are you suggesting a man's own heart is or should Not be within his own power?

If yours is you should be able to will it to stop.

The choice is yours. Have you no control over something so integral to your existence, quit pretending choices between 9mm and .45acp are not determined by a cause, not your own freewill.

[crimethink]

I don't think you understand what I am saying. I don't believe we have any difference on this debate. Nor do I believe there is no right or wrong. If a grizzly bear attacks my granddaughter he may feel he is acting properly, after all he is a grizzly bear, but I will do everything in my power to ensure he is unsuccessful in his actions. My decision is based upon who I am, who I am is based upon nature and nurture. It is all cause and effect.

Do you believe that God has any limitations? Do you believe he doesn't know every side of every grain of sand in the universe? He would have to know every detail of every atom with a total understanding of every vibration each atom will make throughout time, from beginning to end. Wouldn't God know, with an intimacy that defies our pitiful understanding, every decision a person will make throughout their lifetime. Every thought and every failing. Every joy and accomplishment?

I just love this argument and that is why I jumped in on this thread. Can you really disagree honestly with the argument I have laid down? I am not saying there is no right or wrong. Anyone who has read anything I've written here must understand at least that. I am not saying you cannot make a decision. Again, this goes against everything I believe in. I am merely saying that free will does not exist.

As far as the scientists go, they have already demonstrated that free will can be manipulated to the point where people supposedly acting on free will are making decisions that are based upon anything but their own will. As the tree is bent, so it shall grow. It will get far worse.

Time is a dimension that we mere humans are trapped within. God does know all, everywhere, every time. It is very difficult to envision, but man can have free will "within time," while yet God has laid out all for all time before any of our lives "occurred."

In short, you and rambler are both right, to a degree. Free will does exist, but yes, it's all laid out, because He foresaw all before it happened...without violating the free will of we who are "in time." Jehan Cauvin (John Calvin) and Jacobus Arminius argued this out in more scientifically primitive form centuries ago.

[Jewboo]

I don't think God has all the answers...

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1487/97/1487977700941.jpg

[midnight rambler]

God gave us free will so He would be able to determine/gauge how well each of are able to handle responsibility before moving onto what else He has planned for us.

And btw time is an illusion that keeps us from seeing that everything happens all at once.