large internet outage traced to virginia

[cheka.]

lots of problems reportedly caused by this outage. once i heard it was in virginia, that got my ears perked up. amazon isn't talking :confused:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/28/amazon-aws-outage/

If your favorite website or internet service isn't accessible today, it's probably not just you. Amazon Web Services' S3 cloud storage is experiencing "high error rates" that have caused chaos among many of the sites that depend on AWS to work. Our own website is one of them, but the failure has also affected some or all of Giphy, Medium, Slack, Quora and a slew of other websites and apps you likely use. Some connected home devices aren't working correctly, either. Even Amazon's ability to report problems was broken for a while -- the AWS dashboard wasn't changing color because its issue was "related" to S3's problems.

Amazon hasn't explained exactly what went wrong or offered an estimated time of repair, although its status page has narrowed the outage down to a North Virginia location. We've asked Amazon for more info and will let you know if it can share additional details.

No matter what's at fault or how long the outage goes on, the incident underscores a mounting problem: an increasing dependence on a handful of services to power large swaths of the internet. AWS and its rivals make cloud features viable for companies that can't always afford to run their own servers, but they also increase the chances that a failure will affect many people. Unless the tech industry can find a way to diversify its online data sources, these internet-wide crises aren't going away any time soon.

[cheka.]

popular meme says the internet is impossible to take down - like a honeycomb. bullshit

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/02/amazon_outage_cripples_interne.html

A massive Amazon Web Service outage brought down internet sites across the U.S. today.

Amazon's website hosting service went down Tuesday, crippling thousands of websites.

[vacuum]

They were just installing some NSA spying infrastructure, nothing to see here.

[crimethink]

popular meme says the internet is impossible to take down - like a honeycomb. bullshit

Next to impossible.

My Internet was not effected. Since I don't rely on AWS for anything of value. :)

Thousands of e-commerce and "news" sites rely on AWS for primary and/or secondary data (images, in particular).

When a large portion of popular sites depend on a single server farm, that defeats the very next-to-impossible-to-take-down design of the Internet. Why AWS didn't switch over automatically to other server farms, is a mystery. A DOS attack? Likely not, since that would have been announced immediately. Instead, it's much more likely incompetence of some form is involved. After all, we're talking about the same "leadership" that runs the Washington Post and produced the amazon Fire Phone.

[Ares]

Next to impossible.

My Internet was not effected. Since I don't rely on AWS for anything of value. :)

Thousands of e-commerce and "news" sites rely on AWS for primary and/or secondary data (images, in particular).

When a large portion of popular sites depend on a single server farm, that defeats the very next-to-impossible-to-take-down design of the Internet. Why AWS didn't switch over automatically to other server farms, is a mystery. A DOS attack? Likely not, since that would have been announced immediately. Instead, it's much more likely incompetence of some form is involved. After all, we're talking about the same "leadership" that runs the Washington Post and produced the amazon Fire Phone.

Agreed, the internet was just fine. Some news sites and retailers couldn't function because they went with a cloud solution to host their hardware (Amazon Web Services). DNS, routing, and everything else that the internet relies on worked just fine.

[Joshua01]

You play in the cloud and eventually you'll get rained on!
Agreed, the internet was just fine. Some news sites and retailers couldn't function because they went with a cloud solution to host their hardware (Amazon Web Services). DNS, routing, and everything else that the internet relies on worked just fine.

[Ares]

You play in the cloud and eventually you'll get rained on!

That's why you have to know what you are doing and setup regional and geo-redundency. So if a region is hit you fail over to another region. It's more expensive that way, but you ensure your online presence is always there.

[Joshua01]

Yep, my company is looking at a cloud strategy and since we work with NPPI (Non Public Private Information) data security and up time are both extremely critical
That's why you have to know what you are doing and setup regional and geo-redundency. So if a region is hit you fail over to another region. It's more expensive that way, but you ensure your online presence is always there.

[Dachsie]

Don't know if this is related but my ATT Yahoo web mail went down for about 30 minutes yesterday afternoon.

I remember the group that produced the We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook video that was very popular were curiously, to me, stupid enough to put all their files related to that video on the cloud and they subsequently, after the video was completed and published, experienced a theft or takedown of some kind of much of that data that they worked on putting together for a long time. ( Now David Weiss and that group have gone flat-earth - weird!) I have always never bought the preaching done by those who said the Cloud was solid and impervious to maliciousness. There is nothing, repeat nothing, that can't be messed with big time regarding digital data and the Internet. And no, we don't do the incompetence theory on this one.

I think this story and maybe all news from this point forward maybe out to be double posted in the PizzaGate thread.

[Horn]

Was Amazon itself affected or only those retail competitors that use its services?

Talk abouta monopoly... that's funny to watch.

[cheka.]

rappaport on coast to coast last night said that cia uses amazon cloud. so no telling wtf was going on

'russian' hackers? skype? etc?

[monty]

rappaport on coast to coast last night said that cia uses amazon cloud. so no telling wtf was going on

'russian' hackers? skype? etc?

That is pretty close to the pedophilia center . . . . Jeff Bezos? CIA?

[crimethink]

You play in the cloud and eventually you'll get rained on!

That made me laugh, but it's not really a laughing matter. Like with precious metals, if you don't hold your data, you don't own it. Besides the certainty of at least occasional cloud failures, whenever you upload something, you can never know just where it might end up.

The safest place for your money is in the bank Serta.

The safest place for your data is in the external hard drive* next to the Serta.



* there are disaster-proof options: https://iosafe.com/

[crimethink]

Don't know if this is related but my ATT Yahoo web mail went down for about 30 minutes yesterday afternoon.


It was:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3005581/aw-sh-t-amazon-s3-borkage-takes-down-github-yahoo-mail-and-more




I remember the group that produced the We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook video that was very popular were curiously, to me, stupid enough to put all their files related to that video on the cloud and they subsequently, after the video was completed and published, experienced a theft or takedown of some kind of much of that data that they worked on putting together for a long time. ( Now David Weiss and that group have gone flat-earth - weird!) I have always never bought the preaching done by those who said the Cloud was solid and impervious to maliciousness. There is nothing, repeat nothing, that can't be messed with big time regarding digital data and the Internet. And no, we don't do the incompetence theory on this one.


"If you don't hold it, you don't own it."

Multiple backups in multiple locations. That includes burned to discs kept in a safe, secret place, if the information is precious.




I think this story and maybe all news from this point forward maybe out to be double posted in the PizzaGate thread.

Sometimes a server failure is just a server failure.

"Everything is a conspiracy" is just as bad as "nothing is a conspiracy."

[cheka.]

No, they don't.

http://fortune.com/2015/06/29/intelligence-community-loves-its-new-amazon-cloud/

Intelligence community loves its new Amazon cloud

Two years ago, the CIA selected AWS to build and run a special, secure cloud to be used by 17 intelligence-related agencies, in a contract valued at $600 million. That was a watershed event for Amazon, the leader in public cloud services. Many companies with regulatory and compliance concerns resist the notion of using public cloud infrastructure, in which resources are typically shared by many customers, although Amazon cordons off sections of its public cloud for use by select customers.

But, as Amazon senior vice president of web services Andy Jassy told Fortune recently, news of Amazon's selection by the CIA gave other security-conscious companies cover to follow suit. "They would say 'well, if the security and performance is good [enough] for the CIA, then it's probably good enough for us,'" Jassy said.

[Horn]

Trump said he had plans to tax internet companies, could be that the CIA receives a rate hike afterwards.

[Joshua01]

Someone owes someone here a touche' ;)
http://fortune.com/2015/06/29/intelligence-community-loves-its-new-amazon-cloud/

Intelligence community loves its new Amazon cloud

Two years ago, the CIA selected AWS to build and run a special, secure cloud to be used by 17 intelligence-related agencies, in a contract valued at $600 million. That was a watershed event for Amazon, the leader in public cloud services. Many companies with regulatory and compliance concerns resist the notion of using public cloud infrastructure, in which resources are typically shared by many customers, although Amazon cordons off sections of its public cloud for use by select customers.

But, as Amazon senior vice president of web services Andy Jassy told Fortune recently, news of Amazon's selection by the CIA gave other security-conscious companies cover to follow suit. "They would say 'well, if the security and performance is good [enough] for the CIA, then it's probably good enough for us,'" Jassy said.

[cheka.]

Someone owes someone here a touche' ;)

nah, no need. this place is full of bulldogs that no-doubt dominate their spheres in real life...let them run

[crimethink]

http://fortune.com/2015/06/29/intelligence-community-loves-its-new-amazon-cloud/

Intelligence community loves its new Amazon cloud

Two years ago, the CIA selected AWS to build and run a special, secure cloud to be used by 17 intelligence-related agencies, in a contract valued at $600 million. That was a watershed event for Amazon, the leader in public cloud services. Many companies with regulatory and compliance concerns resist the notion of using public cloud infrastructure, in which resources are typically shared by many customers, although Amazon cordons off sections of its public cloud for use by select customers.

But, as Amazon senior vice president of web services Andy Jassy told Fortune recently, news of Amazon's selection by the CIA gave other security-conscious companies cover to follow suit. "They would say 'well, if the security and performance is good [enough] for the CIA, then it's probably good enough for us,'" Jassy said.

WTF?! I figured the claim was "conspiracy theory" hype.

Trump needs to rein this shit in if he wants to secure US intelligence. There is nothing "secure" at AWS.

[Ares]

WTF?! I figured the claim was "conspiracy theory" hype.

Trump needs to rein this shit in if he wants to secure US intelligence. There is nothing "secure" at AWS.

Depends on what they've done. If they've dedicated hardware to the CIA and aren't sharing it like a normal cloud environment would be, then it would be secure as long as proper routing / VLAN was setup and configured correctly.

[Joshua01]

Depends on what they've done. If they've dedicated hardware to the CIA and aren't sharing it like a normal cloud environment would be, then it would be secure as long as proper routing / VLAN was setup and configured correctly.
And if they are supported by Indians you can bet the house that ain't true! (ask me how I know)

[Horn]

Depends on what they've done. If they've dedicated hardware to the CIA and aren't sharing it like a normal cloud environment would be, then it would be secure as long as proper routing / VLAN was setup and configured correctly.

my wife is taking at home courses for networking.

I could swear everytime she gets on to do the class that my entire home network does not become compromised thru those..

Mysterious disappearance of peripheral items ensue.

[Ares]

my wife is taking at home courses for networking.

I could swear everytime she gets on to do the class that my entire home network does not become compromised thru those..

Mysterious disappearance of peripheral items ensue.

If you really want to test her networking skills, do an ARP cache poisoning attack with your home switch and have your PC start collecting all of your wifes network traffic. :D She'll wonder how you're able to see her data without doing port mirroring.

You can reboot the switch to get rid of the poisoned arp cache.

[Horn]

Yeah, alls i know is i have the power down the modem everytime she is finished class.

idk about poisoning her, but any details on how to maybe useful for the future. ;)

[crimethink]

Depends on what they've done. If they've dedicated hardware to the CIA and aren't sharing it like a normal cloud environment would be, then it would be secure as long as proper routing / VLAN was setup and configured correctly.

Technologically secure? Perhaps. The employees in control? No. Incompetence and deliberate treason are endemic among amazonians. See below for the former.

[crimethink]

Amazon S3 problem caused by command line mistake during maintenance

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/amazon-s3-problem-caused-by-command-line-mistake-during-maintenance/

The Amazon Simple Storage Service (S3) team was debugging a problem in the S3 billing system on Tuesday morning when one team member "executed a command which was intended to remove a small number of servers for one of the S3 subsystems that is used by the S3 billing process," Amazon wrote in a post-mortem describing the incident. That's when things went wrong. "Unfortunately, one of the inputs to the command was entered incorrectly and a larger set of servers was removed than intended. The servers that were inadvertently removed supported two other S3 subsystems."

[Neuro]

Amazon S3 problem caused by command line mistake during maintenance

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/amazon-s3-problem-caused-by-command-line-mistake-during-maintenance/

The Amazon Simple Storage Service (S3) team was debugging a problem in the S3 billing system on Tuesday morning when one team member "executed a command which was intended to remove a small number of servers for one of the S3 subsystems that is used by the S3 billing process," Amazon wrote in a post-mortem describing the incident. That's when things went wrong. "Unfortunately, one of the inputs to the command was entered incorrectly and a larger set of servers was removed than intended. The servers that were inadvertently removed supported two other S3 subsystems."

http://www.infostormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Vladimir_Putin.jpg
Spassiba!

[crimethink]

And if they are supported by Indians you can bet the house that ain't true! (ask me how I know)

Or Chinese intelligence simply pays the Indians to set it up "as desired."

[cheka.]

Amazon S3 problem caused by command line mistake during maintenance

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/amazon-s3-problem-caused-by-command-line-mistake-during-maintenance/

The Amazon Simple Storage Service (S3) team was debugging a problem in the S3 billing system on Tuesday morning when one team member "executed a command which was intended to remove a small number of servers for one of the S3 subsystems that is used by the S3 billing process," Amazon wrote in a post-mortem describing the incident. That's when things went wrong. "Unfortunately, one of the inputs to the command was entered incorrectly and a larger set of servers was removed than intended. The servers that were inadvertently removed supported two other S3 subsystems."

ha ha! they rolled out the old fat finger typo

for hours (days?) amazon stayed silent on the cause. the mgmt team must've pulled an all-nighter to decide to go with fat finger

[crimethink]

ha ha! they rolled out the old fat finger typo

for hours (days?) amazon stayed silent on the cause. the mgmt team must've pulled an all-nighter to decide to go with fat finger

You misunderestimate the incompetence of modern "man." Not everything is a conspiracy. Plenty of things are attributable to just plain stupidity and inattention.

[cheka.]

You misunderestimate the incompetence of modern "man." Not everything is a conspiracy. Plenty of things are attributable to just plain stupidity and inattention.

why the long silence?

cia (and more than a dozen other 'intel' orgs) + billionaire skype + washington post + internet outage + long silence from company = fat finger? seems legit :)

some subscribe to the accidental view of history and events. i'm not one of them. to each, his own

accidental, imo, should be the last explanation entertained....after all other avenues are exhausted

[cheka.]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/03/518322734/amazon-and-the-150-million-typo

Amazon And The $150 Million Typo

The Wall Street Journal reported that the outage "cost companies in the S&P 500 index $150 million, according to Cyence Inc.

[Horn]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/03/518322734/amazon-and-the-150-million-typo

Amazon And The $150 Million Typo

The Wall Street Journal reported that the outage "cost companies in the S&P 500 index $150 million, according to Cyence Inc.

Someone probably gave that guy a raise