View Full Version : Obama Administration Rushed to Spread Fake News of Russian Election Hacking
JohnQPublic
1st March 2017, 07:27 PM
Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html?smid=tw-share)
NY Slimes
The important bit: "...according to three former American officials who requested anonymity..."
JohnQPublic
1st March 2017, 08:15 PM
This is exploding now. No surprise. Is it possible that Trump made a deal to put these guys in his cabinet (to get Repub support), but does not really want them? Maybe he is behind some of this...
Dachsie
2nd March 2017, 09:52 AM
It is impossible to understand on the surface or know from full complete knowledge what is going with the Trump actions.
What I cannot understand is that Obama has already been proven to have fraudulent birth certificate and fraudulent social security number. Why can't we just put him in the slammer right now? Why are we yammering about 'the Obama administration did this and the Obama administration did that?' If Obama was a fraudulent president, then all of his actions during his "administration" are false, null and void because he was not a valid candidate and therefore could not have been validly elected.
And don't even get me started on Hillary and the DNC as it has been established firmly that they have committed more civil and criminal infractions than you can shake a stick at.
palani
2nd March 2017, 10:01 AM
they have committed more civil and criminal infractions than you can shake a stick at.
There are no infractions unless they happen to have been caught. That is an attribute of the universe they created for themselves.
Oh, and in their universe, they are the only ones who can claim FOUL!!!
Joshua01
2nd March 2017, 10:09 AM
How long will these seditionists be allowed to continue?? The military needs to do a full sweep of the country and arrest Obama, the Clintons. McCain and all the rest of the treasonous communist tyrants!
JohnQPublic
2nd March 2017, 11:54 AM
It is looking like someone is trying to isolate Trump- from his cabinet, from his daughter, son-in-law, etc. Once he is isolated they can go for the kill.
Joshua01
2nd March 2017, 11:56 AM
Remember, these are the same people who did such a great job getting Hillary elected. These aren't our best and brightest people. I'm thinking Trump is about 50 steps ahead of them
It is looking like someone is trying to isolate Trump- from his cabinet, from his daughter, son-in-law, etc. Once he is isolated they can go for the kill.
Ares
2nd March 2017, 12:08 PM
It is impossible to understand on the surface or know from full complete knowledge what is going with the Trump actions.
What I cannot understand is that Obama has already been proven to have fraudulent birth certificate and fraudulent social security number. Why can't we just put him in the slammer right now? Why are we yammering about 'the Obama administration did this and the Obama administration did that?' If Obama was a fraudulent president, then all of his actions during his "administration" are false, null and void because he was not a valid candidate and therefore could not have been validly elected.
And don't even get me started on Hillary and the DNC as it has been established firmly that they have committed more civil and criminal infractions than you can shake a stick at.
Because no one has the balls to go after and show Obama for the fraud that he is.
Dachsie
2nd March 2017, 12:14 PM
I just think we need to realize that there is a group of Saul Alinskyites that are alive and well and more active than ever after the election. In fact, they all seem to have just gone for broke and taken a hard Left turn. That is why we are seeing the really truthful ugly side of socialism / Markism for what it truly is these days. All that peace and love and anti-war facade has abruptly fallen away now.
We are now seeing the radicals operating by all of Alinsky's rules and a few new ones that appear based on total irrationality and insanity.
Socialism / Marxism is totally Hegelian.
So first they create the problem, the thesis. They foment discord, disorder, discension, division, and disruption anywhere and everywhere.
The rest of the Hegelian dialectic sort of plays out on cruise control.
The people react antithesis, to all this chaos and unlawfulness and just get totally out of patience, so that the people are likely to bite the bait and start revolting and getting physical.
And then the solution / crackdown / synthesis of total government control of all takes over.
The way the solution looks in the beginning changes because this solution or synthesis becomes the problem or thesis of the next cycle to play out.
I just think it is valuable to realize exactly what we are facing right now and maybe that will help up to react in the right way, not in the way they are trying to force us in to reacting.
We have to use words for communication but they are symbols that can be manipulated. So beware of any affiliation that identifies itself by a party label or a Left / Right label. Groups with names and rules are to be shunned whereas loose affiliations with local neighbors and friends are the only way to go.
I do say all who affiliate ought to have at least some of the basic tenets of the right kind of American patriotism.
Jewboo
2nd March 2017, 12:34 PM
If (((they))) take down AG Sessions we are hopeless.
EE_
2nd March 2017, 01:03 PM
Because no one has the balls to go after and show Obama for the fraud that he is.
It's because the globalists own the justice system. No upper echelon progressive liberal/globalist will ever serve a day in prison for their crimes.
This is bigger then all of us. We'd be better off hoping for a complete global collapse then to see justice served.
Joshua01
2nd March 2017, 01:06 PM
The communists smell blood in the water and right on que too. Anyone who does any rudimentary research will discover this is literally nothing (more fake news from WaPo leaving out a few words spoken here and there by Sessions to that dimwit Franken) and Sessions will not be removed or forced to resign. At this point the whole thing is really a war between Trump's Americans vs the Obama/Clinton/McCain communists. The shootin war isn't far off.
ximmy
2nd March 2017, 01:49 PM
No. AG Jeff Sessions Did NOT Perjure Himself Under Oath
House Judiciary Democrats have called on the FBI and the United States Attorney’s Office for Washington, D.C. to launch a criminal investigation into Attorney General Jeff Sessions for allegedly “lying” about his contacts with Russian officials (http://www.chicksontheright.com/house-judiciary-democrats-call-on-fbi-to-launch-a-criminal-investigation-into-attorney-general-jeff-sessions/).
During the confirmation hearing, Sessions was asked if he had anything to do with the Trump administration’s alleged communications with Russian officials. The question was asked in the context of the Trump campaign. Sessions said no. However, the left is blowing a gasket, because Sessions met with the Russian ambassador twice last year, as a member of the Armed Services Committee. For the record, that’s not weird. Senators meet with foreign ambassadors all of the time. That’s not unusual. Keep in mind, the Democrats freaking out over this are the same Democrats who thought Hillary’s criminal investigation was dumb and didn’t care about former AG Loretta Lynch’s sketchy tarmac meeting with Bill McGroperson.
Top Democrats are demanding Sessions’ resignation (http://www.chicksontheright.com/senate-minority-leader-chuck-schumer-calls-for-ag-jeff-sessions-resignation/). They’re screaming, “PERJURY!” They really think they have something. So, do they? Short answer? Nope. Robert Barnes at Law Newz puts this accusation to rest (http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/sorry-but-jeff-sessions-absolutely-did-not-perjure-himself-under-oath-when-asked-about-russia/).
The criminal law only prohibits lying to Congress under two statutes — 18 USC 1621 ands 18 USC 1001. Section 1621 requires a person “willfully and contrary” to a sworn oath “subscribe a material matter” which is both false and the person knows to be false. Section 1001 is basically the same, without certain tribunal prerequisites: it also requires the government prove a person willfully made a materially false statement. This requires three elements: first, a false statement; second, the false statement be “material”; and third, the false statement be made “knowingly” and “willfully.” A statement is not false if it can be interpreted in an innocent manner. A statement is not material if it is not particularly relevant to the subject of the inquiry.
Willfully is a very high standard of proof: it requires the person know they are committing the crime, and do so anyway. None of the three exist as to Sessions.
There was strong evidence Hillary Clinton made false statements to Congress about a range of subjects concerning the emails, and evidence she knew they were false. She still was not prosecuted, and Professors like Laurence Tribe recommended her for the Presidency. There was strong evidence James Clapper lied to Congress about the NSA spying on Americans, and he was not prosecuted, but promoted by President Obama, without complaint from many of these same liberal lawyers, professors and journalists. Yet, these same “lawyers” and “journalists” now attack Sessions for what is manifestly not a criminal act, and for which they never demanded any inquiry of either Clinton or Clapper.
They don’t have anything. There’s not a shred of evidence that Sessions acted as a surrogate for the Trump campaign and plotted with the Russians.
But here’s the exchange they continue to refer to:
Here’s the money shot of Sessions lying to Franken (if you believe the WaPo report). pic.twitter.com/0vK12oMed1 (https://t.co/0vK12oMed1)
— Jamie O’Grady (@JamieOGrady) March 2, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JamieOGrady/status/837130762684153858)
Here is the key exchange: Franken asked about “a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.” Sessions answered: “I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.” Anyone reading the actual exchange can see Sessions was referring to no communications “as a surrogate” just as the question’s very long pre-amble specifically referenced the focus of the question to that subject matter. Nothing about Sessions’ answer was false, nor could it be construed to be materially false or willfully false, or even false at all.
Context is everything. Not to mention that these meetings weren’t a secret.
Notably, Senator Franken chose not to ask Sessions about his contacts with Russian officials over the years in his duties as a Senator on the Armed Services Committee. Sessions’ first meeting of the Russian ambassador was in public, and likely known to Franken and others. Franken could not have interpreted Sessions’ answer as anything but an answer to the question asked about campaign contacts with Russian government officials, which no evidence supports ever occurring. Indeed, given what Franken knew, one might fairly ask a different question: why did Franken avoid that specific question? Was it because he’s a lousy Senator, like he was a mediocre comedian? Maybe. Or Maybe it’s because Franken knew the answer would undermine Franken’s argument? Or maybe it was because Franken was planning on mis-using the answer to attack Sessions later?
Needless to say, this is a giant nothingburger. Everyone calm down.
http://www.chicksontheright.com/no-ag-jeff-sessions-did-not-perjure-himself-under-oath/
Joshua01
2nd March 2017, 04:18 PM
On Fox too....this cannot stand. I'm not sure why Trump is tolerating it.
No. AG Jeff Sessions Did NOT Perjure Himself Under Oath
House Judiciary Democrats have called on the FBI and the United States Attorney’s Office for Washington, D.C. to launch a criminal investigation into Attorney General Jeff Sessions for allegedly “lying” about his contacts with Russian officials (http://www.chicksontheright.com/house-judiciary-democrats-call-on-fbi-to-launch-a-criminal-investigation-into-attorney-general-jeff-sessions/).
During the confirmation hearing, Sessions was asked if he had anything to do with the Trump administration’s alleged communications with Russian officials. The question was asked in the context of the Trump campaign. Sessions said no. However, the left is blowing a gasket, because Sessions met with the Russian ambassador twice last year, as a member of the Armed Services Committee. For the record, that’s not weird. Senators meet with foreign ambassadors all of the time. That’s not unusual. Keep in mind, the Democrats freaking out over this are the same Democrats who thought Hillary’s criminal investigation was dumb and didn’t care about former AG Loretta Lynch’s sketchy tarmac meeting with Bill McGroperson.
Top Democrats are demanding Sessions’ resignation (http://www.chicksontheright.com/senate-minority-leader-chuck-schumer-calls-for-ag-jeff-sessions-resignation/). They’re screaming, “PERJURY!” They really think they have something. So, do they? Short answer? Nope. Robert Barnes at Law Newz puts this accusation to rest (http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/sorry-but-jeff-sessions-absolutely-did-not-perjure-himself-under-oath-when-asked-about-russia/).
The criminal law only prohibits lying to Congress under two statutes — 18 USC 1621 ands 18 USC 1001. Section 1621 requires a person “willfully and contrary” to a sworn oath “subscribe a material matter” which is both false and the person knows to be false. Section 1001 is basically the same, without certain tribunal prerequisites: it also requires the government prove a person willfully made a materially false statement. This requires three elements: first, a false statement; second, the false statement be “material”; and third, the false statement be made “knowingly” and “willfully.” A statement is not false if it can be interpreted in an innocent manner. A statement is not material if it is not particularly relevant to the subject of the inquiry.
Willfully is a very high standard of proof: it requires the person know they are committing the crime, and do so anyway. None of the three exist as to Sessions.
There was strong evidence Hillary Clinton made false statements to Congress about a range of subjects concerning the emails, and evidence she knew they were false. She still was not prosecuted, and Professors like Laurence Tribe recommended her for the Presidency. There was strong evidence James Clapper lied to Congress about the NSA spying on Americans, and he was not prosecuted, but promoted by President Obama, without complaint from many of these same liberal lawyers, professors and journalists. Yet, these same “lawyers” and “journalists” now attack Sessions for what is manifestly not a criminal act, and for which they never demanded any inquiry of either Clinton or Clapper.
They don’t have anything. There’s not a shred of evidence that Sessions acted as a surrogate for the Trump campaign and plotted with the Russians.
But here’s the exchange they continue to refer to:
Here’s the money shot of Sessions lying to Franken (if you believe the WaPo report). pic.twitter.com/0vK12oMed1 (https://t.co/0vK12oMed1)
— Jamie O’Grady (@JamieOGrady) March 2, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JamieOGrady/status/837130762684153858)
Here is the key exchange: Franken asked about “a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.” Sessions answered: “I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.” Anyone reading the actual exchange can see Sessions was referring to no communications “as a surrogate” just as the question’s very long pre-amble specifically referenced the focus of the question to that subject matter. Nothing about Sessions’ answer was false, nor could it be construed to be materially false or willfully false, or even false at all.
Context is everything. Not to mention that these meetings weren’t a secret.
Notably, Senator Franken chose not to ask Sessions about his contacts with Russian officials over the years in his duties as a Senator on the Armed Services Committee. Sessions’ first meeting of the Russian ambassador was in public, and likely known to Franken and others. Franken could not have interpreted Sessions’ answer as anything but an answer to the question asked about campaign contacts with Russian government officials, which no evidence supports ever occurring. Indeed, given what Franken knew, one might fairly ask a different question: why did Franken avoid that specific question? Was it because he’s a lousy Senator, like he was a mediocre comedian? Maybe. Or Maybe it’s because Franken knew the answer would undermine Franken’s argument? Or maybe it was because Franken was planning on mis-using the answer to attack Sessions later?
Needless to say, this is a giant nothingburger. Everyone calm down.
http://www.chicksontheright.com/no-ag-jeff-sessions-did-not-perjure-himself-under-oath/
crimethink
2nd March 2017, 04:58 PM
WHY won't Trump and Session fight back?! Attack Her Majesty! Attack the Nigger! Investigations on all angles on them and their entourage of traitors NOW!
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