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EE_
7th March 2017, 08:31 PM
SEC Said To Decide On Bitcoin ETF By Friday
by Tyler Durden
Mar 7, 2017 8:42 PM

Among the big drivers behind the recent move higher in the price of bitcoin - in addition to the traditional "capital outflow" demand out of China - has been widespread hope that the SEC will approve the first bitcoin ETF. And contrary to our report from January that such a decision, and ETF, will be delayed substantially, today Coindesk writes that according to its sources, the ETF decision is expected, either affirming or denying, by Friday.

The SEC has a March 11th internal deadline, Coindesk reported, to decide on the proposed rule change that would clear the way for the ETF, which would be the first of its kind. However, as the 11th falls on a Saturday, that decision will come before that date, "potentially before Friday", the source said. The decision would cap a more than three-year period since investors Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss first filed with the SEC in mid-2013.

In case of a favorable outcome, some analysts and traders have speculated that bitcoin markets could rise as a result, although considering the recent ramp in BTC's price in recent weeks, the news may have been priced in and holders may instead sell the news. Bitcoin's price has approached $1,300 in recent sessions, rising above $1,290 on March 3rd. However, the price has kept sliding, eventually experiencing a sharp drop on Tuesday as reported earlier on fresh concerns about China, when BTC briefly traded back under the price of one ounce of gold.

On the other hand, analysts have argued that, should the SEC reject the rule change that would allow the Bats Global Exchange to list the ETF, bitcoin's price could be negatively affected. Phil Bak, who was previously a New York Stock Exchange managing director and currently serves as CEO for ETF issuer ACSI Funds, told CoinDesk that, generally, the SEC seeks to avoid the appearance of "publicly rejecting an ETF." He went on to argue that, if the agency didn't plan on approving one of these funds, it would likely ask for the filing to be pulled ahead of any final decision. Yet according to Bak, the lack of such a pullback so close to the deadline could be driven by other factors specific to the bitcoin ETF.

"In this case, the government agency may want to show the world it is unsure about bitcoin. Alternatively, it could also be that the advocates want to support it to the end and let this proposed fund get its day in court, rejection or not" Bak explained.

Others believe the odds of either outcome are about even: Arthur Hayes, co-founder and CEO of exchange platform BitMEX, said "I have heard good arguments for and against the ETF being approved. At this point it is a coin toss." Hayes' exchange is home to an ETF-tied prediction market, where traders can essentially bet on the outcome of the decision, and that has seen significant fluctuations over the past month. At times, traders have given the fund estimated chances of between 2% and 70%, depending on the day. At press time, the prediction market shows a roughly 50% estimated chance of approval.

Charles Hayter, co-founder and CEO of CryptoCompare, offered similar sentiment, stating that the fund's odds of receiving approval are "more than likely plucked out of the air on this one".

Those close to the industry aren't the only ones comparing the SEC decision to a coin flip. Bloomberg's Eric Balchunas has similarly argued that the ETF has about a 50-50 chance of receiving approval.

While there is much money to be made (or lost) depending which way the SEC rules, the waiting is almost over.... or perhaps not.

Even if the Coinbase source is accurate, and the SEC has an approaching deadling, one analyst has warned that those hoping for a conclusion to the years-long process might not get an answer until after that date. Jeff Bishop, co-founder of investor message board platform RagingBull.com and ETF expert, speculated that the SEC could punt its decision further past the 11th, particularly in light of recent price gains.

"I have the feeling they will find a way to delay this even more though. With bitcoin at all-time highs and the SEC having a terrible record for allowing new ETFs to come to market at absolute tops, they will likely push back on this until things cool a bit," he said.

For his part, Bishop believes the ETF should be approved. "It should be up to investors to decide the true price of bitcoin. The more liquidity and options [there are] to trade it, the more transparent and accurate the pricing will be."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/sec-said-decide-bitcoin-etf-friday

crimethink
7th March 2017, 09:16 PM
If Bitcoin is made part of the Babylon System, you will know it's not trustworthy.

Ares
8th March 2017, 03:34 AM
If Bitcoin is made part of the Babylon System, you will know it's not trustworthy.

You mean like gold?

Gold has several ETFs

crimethink
8th March 2017, 05:05 AM
You mean like gold?

Gold has several ETFs

Electronic "gold" is not gold.

Ares
8th March 2017, 05:18 AM
Electronic "gold" is not gold.

Agreed 100%, but Gold is still used as an ETF and for some odd reason is trusted and trustworthy.

Bitcoin is similar to gold in a lot of respects, but vastly different in others. I'm hoping BTC goes higher so I can cash out directly to gold.

crimethink
8th March 2017, 05:22 AM
Agreed 100%, but Gold is still used as an ETF and for some odd reason is trusted and trustworthy.

Bitcoin is similar to gold in a lot of respects, but vastly different in others. I'm hoping BTC goes higher so I can cash out directly to gold.

(((They))) obviously do not fear either Bitcoin or gold.

Up until now, I figured Bitcoin had a utility for mostly-private transactions. If the Federal regime gives a stamp of approval to trading in Bitcoin, it will be confirmation that it's compromised.

What gold offers that Bitcoin can never offer is the ability to hold it in your hand, and trade it with the small minority who recognize its enduring value. (the fact it will always be a small minority is why it's not feared)

Ares
8th March 2017, 05:48 AM
(((They))) obviously do not fear either Bitcoin or gold.

Up until now, I figured Bitcoin had a utility for mostly-private transactions. If the Federal regime gives a stamp of approval to trading in Bitcoin, it will be confirmation that it's compromised.

What gold offers that Bitcoin can never offer is the ability to hold it in your hand, and trade it with the small minority who recognize its enduring value. (the fact it will always be a small minority is why it's not feared)

(((They))) aren't worried because it is such a small market. Only 20 billion for a market cap as of this writing. That is MINUSCULE. However it does have potential to be larger. (((They))) don't control the blockchain, or able to take any of the transactions like (((they))) do with Visa, Mastercard, international wire transfers etc.

The real beauty of Bitcoin is its ability to transcend borders effortlessly. You're supposed to declare if you have anything of value over 10k when you fly in the United States. With the current price of BTC going up I have well above 10k in Bitcoins, never declared it once in my flights. I couldn't say the same with gold, if I was able to carry 10k worth of gold with me no matter where I go that is.

It also goes back to Ponce's saying "If you don't hold it, you don't own it." The same applies to bitcoin, if you invest in an ETF you do not own it unless it's in your own personally secured wallet. Same with Gold, if it's not in your safe at home, you don't own it.

Uncle Salty
8th March 2017, 10:36 AM
Agreed 100%, but Gold is still used as an ETF and for some odd reason is trusted and trustworthy.

Bitcoin is similar to gold in a lot of respects, but vastly different in others. I'm hoping BTC goes higher so I can cash out directly to gold.

But the price of gold is compromised by the paper gold market.

And yes, it is trusted, unless you were Corzined.

Same will happen with BTC. The tail will was the dog.

Once a commodity or financial asset is synthesized, it's all just a casino game, not free market forces.

cheka.
8th March 2017, 10:45 AM
sec needs to 'regulate' it. for our safety of course

we also need derivatives on it for safety. derivs will allow mom and pop to hedge their exposure to bitcoin volatility

Joshua01
8th March 2017, 10:47 AM
and for the children...don't forget the children.
sec needs to 'regulate' it. for our safety of course

EE_
10th March 2017, 04:28 PM
Bitcoin Crashes Below $1000 After SEC Rejects ETF
by Tyler Durden
Mar 10, 2017 4:09 PM

After much anticipation (and a spike to record highs earlier today), The SEC has decided to reject the Winklevoss application for a Bitcoin ETF.

The SEC premise appears to be the unregulated natuire of the underlying:

Based on the record before it, the Commission believes that the significant markets for bitcoin are unregulated.

Therefore, as the Exchange has not entered into, and would currently be unable to enter into, the type of surveillance-sharing agreement that has been in place with respect to all previously approved commodity-trust ETPs—agreements that help address concerns about the potential for fraudulent or manipulative acts and practices in this market - the Commission does not find the proposed rule change to be consistent with the Exchange Act.

What goes up (to $1327) comes down hard to $978!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-10/bitcoin-crashes-below-1000-after-sec-rejects-etf

crimethink
10th March 2017, 04:32 PM
Bitcoin Crashes Below $1000 After SEC Rejects ETF

Nobody fret, the Wall Street Casino just confirmed they consider Bitcoin a threat to their Babylon System.

monty
10th March 2017, 04:38 PM
Nobody fret, the Wall Street Casino just confirmed they consider Bitcoin a threat to their Babylon System.

The story here:
Bitcoin ETF rejected - Winklevoss twins soulcrushed?

http://youtu.be/TI4tstyg5RU

https://youtu.be/TI4tstyg5RU

monty
10th March 2017, 04:43 PM
Bitcoin is crashing, silver is crashing, meanwhile Ivanka's sales soar


http://youtu.be/2qXpWvTz3zo