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Dachsie
10th March 2017, 07:31 PM
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Why Treating Everyone Equally Is a Problem

I recently received an e-mail from someone who questioned me on a comment I made about manners. I had said that manners presuppose distinctions. They call upon us to honor those who are excellent with special treatment. At the same time, they allow us to show compassion and consideration toward those who are lesser or weaker. I claimed crass egalitarianism leads to today’s uncivil society.

The reader took issue with these affirmations saying that all people are children of God and therefore everyone should have the right to be treated equally regardless of who they are or what they have achieved. Hierarchical distinctions are mere fabrications that create resentments and must be avoided.
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The e-mail surprised me since I had never really thought about such an objection. Treating others differently seemed very natural to me. However, it now occurs to me that others might share the objection and so out of special (and unequal) consideration to them, I thought it would be good to provide an answer.

Two main problems need to be resolved.
Equal in Essence and Nature

The first is to clarify the confusion between essence and accidents in dealing with human nature.

I am the first to admit that all men are equal in their essence as humans. As such, we are all entitled to some fundamental rights, among them the right to life, honor, property, family and Faith. These rights generate in turn certain universal manners of treatment that we deem humane since they are proper to our nature.

From the perspective of the essence of our human nature, all should be treated equally. There should be basic manners that are universally applicable and expected. Everyone knows, for example, that we must not treat others rudely or brutally. We must respect their fundamental dignity.

Up to this point, I can well agree with my reader about this basic level of manners.
Accidents Change Everything

That leads to the second problem—dealing with our accidents. Things get complicated when you start to consider that humans are unequal in their accidents. People are vastly different when we look at their virtue, talent, beauty, strength, family, tradition, and so many other defining characteristics.
Equality and Inequality Among Men

These inequalities of talents, abilities, and circumstances result in an ordered hierarchical society where individuals or groups have specific leadership roles and functions, just as members in a body play key roles. This naturally tends to distill different manners of treatment and consideration.
Why Treating Everyone Equally Is a Problem

The need to make distinctions is particularly clear in the case of offices and authority. Failure to recognize this authority through exterior signs weakens the office and the good order of society.

That is to say, hierarchy is not fabricated but part of the natural order of society. Pope Saint Pius X in his motu proprio Fin Dalla Prima states: “Human society, as established by God, is composed of unequal elements, just as the different parts of the human body are unequal; to make them all equal is impossible, and would mean the destruction of human society.”

Thus, an array of different manners helps us exteriorize these distinctions that come from inequality in society. Manners help us make these distinctions known to others.
Honoring of Authority

The need to make distinctions is particularly clear in the case of offices and authority. We are commanded by God to honor our father and mother and all legitimate authority since all authority comes from God. This implies a different treatment because there are others that are not so honored since they do not share this authority.

Honor is the esteem shown someone. One key way it is publicly manifested is by manners and etiquette. Thus, the loving manners by which we honor our mothers, for example, are vastly different from the simpler manners shown to other ladies. When we address a judge as “Your Honor” and show him great respect, we recognize the high purpose of justice in society. The priest is called “Father” and treated with reverence because of our high regard for his sacred office.

Failure to recognize this authority through exterior signs weakens the office and the good order of society. That is why the classroom where distinctions between teacher and students are minimized and egalitarianism informs speech and behavior is a recipe for disaster.
Honoring Achievement

There is another way in which manners are applied unequally. This consists in giving public honor in recognition of deeds or achievements.
Why Treating Everyone Equally Is a Problem

We naturally treat with special deference a Medal of Honor recipient, a Nobel Prize winner or anyone who makes the nation proud of their achievements.

If these deeds are done for the benefit of the nation, then society owes them a debt of gratitude and such persons should in all justice be publicly recognized. If a personal achievement represents a milestone of excellence that enriches all society, then it is just that the person be acknowledged since it benefits the common good.

This is what we do when we recognize and thank soldiers for their service and sacrifice. That is also why we honor the hard work and erudition of someone with a doctorate degree by addressing the individual with the just title of doctor (which I found before the e-mail signature of my objecting reader).

We naturally treat with special deference a Medal of Honor recipient, a Nobel Prize winner or anyone who makes the nation proud of their achievements.

Such manners and public treatment are good for society since it teaches the virtue of gratitude to others. It provides an opportunity for justice whereby we give to others that which is their due. Those honored benefit society immensely since they are models that serve to motivate others to strive for excellence.
Misguided Compassion

Such arguments should make sense even in our egalitarian world. However, I suspect that the cases mentioned above did not get to the core of why many people wish equal manners for everyone.

Many have an aversion to treating people unequally because they have a misguided notion of compassion. They think that by honoring someone greater, we make someone lesser suffer. They associate inequality with pride and brutality. They believe that the only way to avoid this false dilemma is to disguise excellence and treat everyone the same. In this way, we supposedly practice compassion and Christian charity.

The opposite is true. Society is enriched by the enormous inequality of offices, conditions and circumstances. Manners are the habit of thinking about others and acknowledging these social differences. A book of manners is a collection of established formulas that harmonize different sectors of society. Manners need not only be rules, but they can also be touching expressions of tenderness, consideration and affection that express true compassion.
The Equality Myth, a Founding Legend

By putting excellence and vulgar behavior on equal footing, we do no favor to anyone. People practice true Christian charity when they do their duty to shine in virtue and excellence. It is wrong to deprive people of their right to have models before their eyes that they might imitate and admire. Manners help bring out the best in us. Everyone, and society itself, is elevated by them.
Nothing More Brutal

The final problem with treating everyone equally is that the logic of this false compassion inevitably leads to adopting the lowest common denominator of manners to prevent the suffering of the lowliest. Worse, it leads to turning each person into the supreme judge of what constitutes these manners since each subjectively assesses what causes one the least suffering.

Thus, some turn manners into only that which pleases them and takes the least effort. Others retreat into an individualistic world in which they see no real need for manners beyond those serving their self-interest. In the frenetic intemperance of the world of instant gratification, so many discard manners and glorify vulgarity. This attitude embeds a universal code of rudeness that well characterizes our egalitarian society.

Indeed, I fear the day when all manners will be declared equal. There is nothing more brutal than a false compassion that suppresses all excellence. There is no greater tyrant than the self-centered individualist who does not take others into consideration. There is no worse intolerance than those who claim to tolerate everything in the name of Christian charity.
Why Treating Everyone Equally Is a Problem

All this leads to a politically correct world that refuses to recognize any superiority or inferiority—even the most obvious ones—for fear of offending others with the truth. In short, it leads to the uncivil society that has so polarized and fragmented our nation.

And so I rest my case. I have tried to argue it calmly but passionately, logically but with all due respect to those who might object. If we are to return to order in civil society, I politely suggest that we must not treat all manners equally.

As seen on Crisis Magazine.

Ares
10th March 2017, 07:50 PM
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crimethink
10th March 2017, 09:12 PM
When we address a judge as “Your Honor” and show him great respect


Really? I don't. I call him judge, his job title, and recognize he is a fraud upon society. He is no better than I, nor most people who walk into "his" (sic) courtroom.




we recognize the high purpose of justice in society.


Actually, it's because people have been brainwashed into believing that the "justice system" is holy.

The "justice system" and Justice are mutually exclusive. You go to court to do business.




The priest is called “Father” and treated with reverence because of our high regard for his sacred office.


And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

There is but one sacred office, and that is the Son of God, the Prince of Peace, our Lord.




We naturally treat with special deference a Medal of Honor recipient


The author sure makes a lot of assumptions. A Medal of Honor winner may have earned it, or, he may have received it for political reasons.

Similarly, John S. McCain III deserves no accolades for his "prisoner of war" status (considering he gained weight in the camp, an overt sign of treachery); Trump was right about him. Whereas James Stockdale came back literally a broken man for honoring his oath. I will discern the Truth, and not merely accept what "society" demands of me.




a Nobel Prize winner


LOL. Like Barack Obama?



That is also why we honor the hard work and erudition of someone with a doctorate degree by addressing the individual with the just title of doctor.


LOL.

Most Ph.D.s (Piled High, and Deep) are utter bullshit. Medical doctors? Sure, they did something to earn it. But a Ph.D. in "Ethnic Studies" or even "Divinity"? LOL.




Many have an aversion to treating people unequally because they have a misguided notion of compassion. They think that by honoring someone greater, we make someone lesser suffer. They associate inequality with pride and brutality. They believe that the only way to avoid this false dilemma is to disguise excellence and treat everyone the same. In this way, we supposedly practice compassion and Christian charity.


Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.




Society is enriched by the enormous inequality of offices


Nope.

For example, under the Constitution, the President of the United States is the personal employee of every citizen of the united States of America. However, power-worship has caused the "Office of President" to take on a status requiring worship. He is now a false god. People are taught to serve him, not vice-versa.



It is wrong to deprive people of their right to have models before their eyes that they might imitate and admire.


In a society where money and power are venerated, sometimes the models that we should imitate and admire are scorned, even persecuted.

How many "Christians" would look upon Jesus Christ in His worst condition on Earth with favor, if they didn't realize who He was?


Sadly, the very confused author is conflating class and ascribed power roles with the real, root problems of compulsory equality. Not once did he mention the biology-based traits of race or sex, both of which this society demands be made "equal" at any cost, and any means necessary. The vast majority of society's ills are directly or indirectly related to the idea that biology-based traits must be ignored by force of "law." Crime and urban rot? Racial equality. Declining birth rate? The idea that women are actually men.

Personally, I do not kow-tow to ascribed honorifics unless they are self-evidently deserved. One must be respectable to be respected. A rich son of a bitch is merely a son of a bitch with lots of money. A poor "bum" who is mentally wrecked from war (likely making the former rich) yet knows Jesus Christ and follows the Two Great Commandments is deserving of being called "sir," and "friend."

singular_me
11th March 2017, 07:45 AM
sorry those believing ares' image do NOT get it, see how easy it is to manipulate people... this quote turns the "collectivist darwinian gulag author" into a controlled opposition. Those who think they can invade, control and centralized (tenets of supremacy) without impunity are just FOOLS. ;D

humans are above all complementary, the weak/poor is there to teach us a lesson in humility... however we are all bankrupt now and could have a bio terror attack at any moment now... so what?


https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F22%2F50%2F89%2F2250893d75f 4c7ed236c5b3ea932514a.jpg&f=1


THE COMMUNIST PUPPET ESPECIALLY MEANT EQUAL IN WEALTH... BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT WEALTH IS BUT AN ILLUSION



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woodman
11th March 2017, 08:01 AM
On the whole, I agree with the author. All men should be afforded equal protection of rights under the law. People are not equal and to try to pretend they are is insanity.

Dachsie
11th March 2017, 08:21 AM
We are equal in essence. For a Christian that means understanding the nature of a human being from God's viewpoint. Each human being has an eternal soul and for that reason alone we should treat each person with fairness and kindness as much as possible.

There are wars in the heavens over each human soul. That is really what PizzaGate is about.

We have a Helper but making it through this valley of tears is not an unconditional deal. We have to do our part. Self discipline is the price of freedom.


James 4:1-4


1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures. 4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

singular_me
11th March 2017, 08:31 AM
Do not do to others what you would hate to be done to you... there lies the beginning of freedom and equality... thats a hard pill to swallow for supremacists who think that are better, hence deserve better. They are just fools

Rights are determined by God only... and are based on respect for God (his creation)


I agree with your take on pizzagate too. This evil operates outside of our 3D but affecting our 3D in a big way... to defeat them we must strike at the spiritual level or we are ... doomed



We are equal in essence. For a Christian that means understanding the nature of a human being from God's viewpoint. Each human being has an eternal soul and for that reason alone we should treat each person with fairness and kindness as much as possible.

There are wars in the heavens over each human soul. That is really what PizzaGate is about.

We have a Helper but making it through this valley of tears is not an unconditional deal. We have to do our part. Self discipline is the price of freedom.


James 4:1-4


1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures. 4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

Ares
11th March 2017, 10:48 AM
sorry those believing ares' image do NOT get it, see how easy it is to manipulate people... this quote turns the "collectivist darwinian gulag author" into a controlled opposition. Those who think they can invade, control and centralized (tenets of supremacy) without impunity are just FOOLS. ;D

humans are above all complementary, the weak/poor is there to teach us a lesson in humility... however we are all bankrupt now and could have a bio terror attack at any moment now... so what?


https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F22%2F50%2F89%2F2250893d75f 4c7ed236c5b3ea932514a.jpg&f=1


THE COMMUNIST PUPPET ESPECIALLY MEANT EQUAL IN WEALTH... BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT WEALTH IS BUT AN ILLUSION

More clueless drivel from the resident mental midget.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was far from a "communist puppet". He was very outspoken AGAINST communism.

Didn't you spend time in a burnt out hippie commune before you were asked to leave?

singular_me
12th March 2017, 07:30 AM
Do you understand that with centralization there is no freedom, and arguing about equality is like discussing apples and oranges... because it is freedom that determines the equality factor

No hippie commune, unlike you I understand "human rights determined by God" and that Nature will always manage to aim at the zero sum game because all that is the eternal present on a cosmic level... the fact dear is that I understood that spirituality/metaphysics drives everything. Thats the conclusion that anybody going down all the sordid NWO rabbit holes would reach. It took me more than 5 years of genuine investigation and spending my time de-occulting.

Friedman quote is way superior in meaning to that of the russian based on a darwinian fallacy legitimizing the existence of the NWO. The top surely thinks that equality does not exist either.

Even human emotions are treated as commodities. Indeed what is wrong with this? So, but I got it: enlightenment = communist pupet ;D ...

Go and continue trying to defeat Nature's zero sum game then. and best of luck!!

we will NEVER able to resolve any world problems with a materialistic mindset. ever... never... we do not own anything but our souls. Living is a soul experience to reunite with God/Life Force. And nothing more. That is all what there is left when we die.

For centuries we have witnessed the cheapne$$ of life. Yes, turn on your TV. Nothing has changed since the ancient rome... WHY?

I got it... simple



More clueless drivel from the resident mental midget.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was far from a "communist puppet". He was very outspoken AGAINST communism.

Didn't you spend time in a burnt out hippie commune before you were asked to leave?

BarnkleBob
12th March 2017, 08:47 AM
In & at law "equality" means "equity"! You better realize that all of this decptive & fraudulent nonsense concerning equality, etc. is a political power play to create & support ruling via equity!

Equity has nothing to do with law or even statutes & everything to do with seeking & applying "civil justice" via civil equity jurisdiction. Essentially equity is contract enforcement, written, unwritten, implied contracts, etc....Equity allows the judiciary to interpret & enforce public policy within the judicial district also called legislating from the bench.

Something can be either legal & lawful and/or illegal & unlawful yet either acceptable or unacceptable in equity....

Equality is nothing but a political power play to create elastic rulership in various jurisdictions... Try defending yourself using statutes or case law and lose.... or how about the judges that occasionally overrule a juries findings. Thats equity....

singular_me
12th March 2017, 09:07 AM
In & at law "equality" means "equity"! You better realize that all of this decptive & fraudulent nonsense concerning equality, etc. is a political power play to create & support ruling via equity!

Equity has nothing to do with law or even statutes & everything to do with seeking & applying "civil justice" via civil equity jurisdiction. Essentially equity is contract enforcement, written, unwritten, implied contracts, etc....Equity allows the judiciary to interpret & enforce public policy within the judicial district also called legislating from the bench.

Something can be either legal & lawful and/or illegal & unlawful yet either acceptable or unacceptable in equity....

Equality is nothing but a political power play to create elastic rulership in various jurisdictions... Try defending yourself using statutes or case law and lose.... or how about the judges that occasionally overrule a juries findings. Thats equity....

materialism will never define anything... especially in term of equity vs equality factor. There is a reason as why jesus stood with the poor. Lies and wealth are bed fellows

One cannot amass any wealth when brutally honest and one has high ethics, and when one eventually does, one becomes easily corruptible.

I used to work for a gas station-grocery in NM that has always done pretty well and the owner sometimes bragged about it. That is sad because he really worked hard. Yep, he made a fortune selling junk food essentially and working for the oil cartel.

Ares
12th March 2017, 10:53 AM
Do you understand that with centralization there is no freedom, and arguing about equality is like discussing apples and oranges... because it is freedom that determines the equality factor

Says the nutbag who preaches centralization. :rolleyes: In your complete made up bullshit utopian fantasy what do you do with people who do not wish to contribute to society?


No hippie commune, unlike you I understand "human rights determined by God" and that Nature will always manage to aim at the zero sum game because all that is the eternal present on a cosmic level...

BULLSHIT You understand next to NOTHING about humanity or rights granted by our creator. If you did you wouldn't preach your retarded barely intelligible utopian fantasy. The only place it exists is between your ears. You have yet to say how anyone would produce food. You can't even regulate it down to machines growing it because the machines require maintenance and energy. Where is any of that coming from?


the fact dear is that I understood that spirituality/metaphysics drives everything. Thats the conclusion that anybody going down all the sordid NWO rabbit holes would reach. It took me more than 5 years of genuine investigation and spending my time de-occulting.

You can tell yourself whatever you want, but hardly anyone here buys the bullshit you're preaching. First you call Alexandre a "Communist puppet" only to be shown what a complete and moronic fool that you are you try to divert your response to something even more pathetically and pathologically stupid.


Friedman quote is way superior in meaning to that of the russian based on a darwinian fallacy legitimizing the existence of the NWO. The top surely thinks that equality does not exist either.

They are saying the same thing you dumbass. Friedman said a "High degree of both" meaning freedom and equality. He did not say you would OBTAIN both freedom and equality. Because that is impossible. A lion is not equal to a tiger, no more than a human being is equal to a nigger.


Even human emotions are treated as commodities. Indeed what is wrong with this? So, but I got it: enlightenment = communist pupet ;D ...

More pathetic half assed rationalization, coming from someone who can't even work out the simple equation of 1 + 1 = 2. Yet you're supposed to be taken seriously as some "deep thinker"? Right :rolleyes:


Go and continue trying to defeat Nature's zero sum game then. and best of luck!!

Good luck implementing your complete and total utopian fantasy. Reality doesn't work that way. Human civilization requires resources, skill and knowledge passed from one generation to another. Our advancement requires energy. Your lunacy is exactly that, complete and utter lunacy. But good luck trying to convince anyone outside of your head that you are "right".


we will NEVER able to resolve any world problems with a materialistic mindset. ever... never... we do not own anything but our souls. Living is a soul experience to reunite with God/Life Force. And nothing more. That is all what there is left when we die.

I own my body while my soul posses it. Not you, and not any government owns it. Living through harshness and difficult experiences is the ONLY way to bring about soul development and advancement. Utopian fantasies serve no purpose other than to make the test of life "easier" for those who are failures in their life. If you want someone to blame, look no further than the nearest mirror.


For centuries we have witnessed the cheapne$$ of life. Yes, turn on your TV. Nothing has changed since the ancient rome... WHY?

This is the epitome of your idiocy, a chicken has deeper thoughts than this.


I got it... simple

If you say so. But you've got absolutely nothing let alone a basic grip on reality.

singular_me
12th March 2017, 11:06 AM
ares, yes DEcentralization defines freedom which defines equality... that is God's Law

deal with it, sorry man... all the rest is the result of dualism/polarization, meaning an illusion

so stay stuck thinking in materialistic terms, you will never be proven right

lets wait for the first wave of jobless tidal waves... or maybe are you betting to be sent back to the stone age perhaps, so we can go through the whole nine yards again ;D

Friedman quote sez it all, IMHO.

Listen if you do not understand that the Universe only considers the *eternal present* that time is a human projection, you surely will never get it. Nobody can cheat here, unless one has an appetite for defeat... game over.... a money-free society, regardless of whether one thinks is it achievable or not, only rests on the understanding of Natural Laws, immutable cosmic laws, that always win over in due time. And thinking like you, that we can bypass them is the result of a stubborn darwinism that is destroying the planet.

Darwin, when it comes down to humans, is the biggest hoax ever.

God is a voluntary driven anarchist working out of passion only ;D

Ares
12th March 2017, 11:11 AM
ares, yes DEcentralization defines freedom which defines equality... that is God's Law

deal with it, sorry man... all the rest is the result of dualism/polarization, meaning an illusion

so stay stuck thinking in materialistic terms, you will never be proven right

LOL Whatever you say clown.

You preach CENTRALIZATION and try calling it decentralized. You're so full of shit and deluded you can't even make a coherent argument for your bullshit fantasy.

Deal with your own issues lady.

History and human nature has proven me far more right than you'll ever be.


Friedman quote sez it all, IMHO.

From above because you're too fucking self deluded and can't be bothered to actually READ anything.

They are saying the same thing you dumbass. Friedman said a "High degree of both" meaning freedom and equality. He did not say you would OBTAIN both freedom and equality. Because that is impossible. A lion is not equal to a tiger, no more than a human being is equal to a nigger.


Listen if you do not understand that the Universe only considers the *eternal present* that time is a human projection, you surely will never get it. Nobody can cheat here, unless one has an appetite for defeat... game over.... a money-free society, regardless of whether one think is it achievable or not, only rests on the understanding of Natural Laws, immutable cosmic laws, that always win over in due time. And thinking like you, that we can bypass them is the result of a stubborn darwinism that is destroying the planet.

And you are forgetting either because you're pathetically retarded or because you're so hopelessly delusional that life is SUPPOSED to be challenging. You're failure to recognize it or even account for our creators great wisdom shows what a completely lost and hopefully moronic individual that you are.