Nothing Can Make Anything That Is Not In Itself

[palani]

From Hobbes Human Nature

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Darned if I haven't checked high or low and can find no sense that is good at detecting debt. If it exists the mind created it from some form of rationalizing.

[Spectrism]

Close, but not exact. Sound is a perception as is color. The "thing" however, is the energy radiating or reflecting from the molecular structure of the item. Light energy can exist and usually does, in many wavelengths. When these impact an object certain wavelengths reflect and some even change (Raman effect). What we see is a qualified or variated perception depending on eye structure. Animals of varying species see certain wavelengths brighter than others. For humans, the green "color" is due to the largest concentration of cones being sensitive to wavelengths around the green range. Bees will see certain flowers glowing with pollen. Nocturnal animals see better in the near infrared range.

So to confront the askewed ancient Hobbes assertion, the thing which is in the clapper is a structure of dried wood molecules which when mutually confronted by the energy of another similarly brittle and hardened wood structure, emits a vibrational energy which impacts the surrounding air. The surrounding air carries that wavelength of energy until it is absorbed by other receptive matter. The molecular structure determines what is absorbed, what is reflected and what is modified.

The energy is there even if there is no ear or eye to perceive it. So the "thing" is not in the eye or ear only. If the "thing" is only perception, then there must be an observer. But if the thing is the energy, its form is an agreement between its initial form and the matter it has interfaced with.

[ximmy]

B-52's says it best.

Motion in the ocean

His air hose broke

Lots of trouble

Lots of bubble

Mermaids waving

Sea horses sailing

Dolphins wailing

Red snappers snapping

Clam shells clapping

Muscles flexing

Flippers flipping

[palani]

Close, but not exact. ...if the thing is the energy, its form is an agreement between its initial form and the matter it has interfaced with.
Sound is not sound even when intercepted by an ear. It is not a sound when the nerve pulses from the ear reach the brain. It is only when the brain interprets the nerve impulses and DOES SOMETHING with them is the thing a sound.

If the clapper was made up of energy that somehow created sound then that sound would be perceived even if the clapper and bell were in a vacuum.

Everything you sense is created in the brain whether that thing actually exists or not. Ask an alcoholic if he ever saw snakes on the wall (the product of an impaired mind).

[Spectrism]

Sound is not sound even when intercepted by an ear. It is not a sound when the nerve pulses from the ear reach the brain. It is only when the brain interprets the nerve impulses and DOES SOMETHING with them is the thing a sound.

If the clapper was made up of energy that somehow created sound then that sound would be perceived even if the clapper and bell were in a vacuum.

Everything you sense is created in the brain whether that thing actually exists or not. Ask an alcoholic if he ever saw snakes on the wall (the product of an impaired mind).

In your attempt to be clever, you are showing how stupid you are.

As I said- sound and color are perceptions. That does not mean that the wavelengths of energy are not happening outside the mind. And to claim that all things are created by the brain because perceptions of reality don't happen until the brain interprets sensory signals is just plain stupid.

When a tree falls in the woods and your little brain with little beady eyes and drooping ears are not there to sense them, you would claim the tree did not fall. But I will walk into the woods and find the felled tree that was not there the day before and call you a loonbird.

[midnight rambler]

The brain and the mind are NOT the same thing. Nothing exists outside the mind.


In your attempt to be clever, you are showing how stupid you are.

As I said- sound and color are perceptions. That does not mean that the wavelengths of energy are not happening outside the mind. And to claim that all things are created by the brain because perceptions of reality don't happen until the brain interprets sensory signals is just plain stupid.

When a tree falls in the woods and your little brain with little beady eyes and drooping ears are not there to sense them, you would claim the tree did not fall. But I will walk into the woods and find the felled tree that was not there the day before and call you a loonbird.

[palani]

you would claim the tree did not fall. But I will walk into the woods and find the felled tree that was not there the day before and call you a loonbird.
There is no spoon.

[ximmy]

When a tree falls in the woods and your little brain with little beady eyes and drooping ears are not there to sense them, you would claim the tree did not fall. But I will walk into the woods and find the felled tree that was not there the day before and call you a loonbird.

That's not how it goes, it goes like this: If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it does it make a sound?

It's a good question.


If a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear?
If a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear?
Anybody hear the forest fall?

Pretty good jam for a snowflake song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8CibAuvZM4

[singular_me]

Close, but not exact. Sound is a perception as is color. .

everything motions/spins... thus emits a sound/vibration... and this vibration/sounds has a color spectrum too

science has poven this a few decades ago already

[monty]

everything motions/spins... thus emits a sound/vibration... and this vibration/sounds has a color spectrum too

science has poven this a few decades ago already

Inquiring minds want to know, are there sounds in a vacuum?

[palani]

are there sounds in a vacuum?
The definition of a sound is a concept involving brain/mind activity. As there are no brains/minds in space there are no sounds.

[monty]

The definition of a sound is a concept involving brain/mind activity. As there are no brains/minds in space there are no sounds.

I've not been in a vacuum so I thought maybe Goldisima would enlighten us re her statement sounds have color.

[palani]

Bill Gates thinks he is worth 20 billions of dollars but he has no idea of what a dollar is so what value is there to be considered the owner of 20 billion of them.

My definition of a dollar is the value of a man's labor from sunrise to sunset. Using my definition Bill can hire everyone on the face of the earth for 4 days and after that he is as broke as anyone else.

In case you think one dollar too little for a man's full days labor and cannot resolve why some men charge $500 an hour ... they possess a knowledge that is specialized enough that it would take an ordinary man 10 years of work with no wage to become expert at the same skill. The wage for the man is still $1 a day but for his experience the sky is the limit (in some cases).

As to how this relates to sound? It is all in the definition. Whosoever controls the defintion controls the experiment.

[singular_me]

Inquiring minds want to know, are there sounds in a vacuum?

well, depending on what theory you believe it. Space is not a vacuum according the the EUT, electric Universe theory, it is filled with plasma. I subscribe to that concept. Electricity is both a vibration and a wave, Light being a byproduct of electricity... so it has a spectrum color


The Electric Universe theory is based on the idea that as 99.9% of the Universe is made up of plasma – electrically charged gas – and that the electromagnetic forces that are found everywhere may have more influence on our Universe than gravity. http://www.electricuniversetheory.com/

[Jewboo]

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[palani]

See if this fits anyone you know:

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