"Immigrants' " new scam on USA homeowners - outrageous!

[Dachsie]

David Knight does an excellent report on this.

...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspwwcOceCA...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RspwwcOceCA


YOUR Home Can Be Stolen THIS EASILY
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These immigrants weren’t undocumented. They knew just enough law to game the system and this man’s home. This rare form of theft is now being replicated by criminal immigrant gangs.

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I was not aware of this scam. Maybe Soros and company is helping this organized criminality too.

[cheka.]

send them to Portland -- those whack jobs have lost their minds. first they pass a bond to build 24,000 NEW homes for 'homeless'. but first they want to put new 'tiny houses' in peoples backyards to house them (and taxpayers pay for the tiny houses and rent to the home owners that allow the tiny houses in their backyards. w T F

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/03/multnomah_county_wants_to_ince.html

With more than $300,000 and volunteer homeowners, Multnomah County has a new idea to fight homelessness: Build tiny houses in people's backyards and rent them out to families with children now living on the street.

The homeowners would pay nothing for the construction. They would become landlords and maintain the units for homeless families for five years.

Then the tiny houses would become theirs to do with what they want. If the homeowners break the contract before then, they pay the cost of construction.

The project would put the 8-month-old joint homeless office - a shared effort between the county and Portland -- in the housing business while offering an innovative, if so far small-scale, way to chip away at Portland's affordable housing shortage.

Four tiny houses are tentatively scheduled to launch this June at $75,000 apiece, with the hope for up to 300 accessory dwelling units as they're known in the next year if the first ones work out.

The Multnomah County Idea Lab, a 2-year-old office focused on using out-of-the-box thinking to create public policy, combined tactics of the Federal Emergency Management Agency with a county weatherization program to come up with the plan.

The tiny houses would help fill the need for low-income housing before the recently passed Portland housing bond and private developers can build the 24,000 units that studies say the city needs to stem its housing crisis.

"Those units are not going to come on line for another two to three years and they're really expensive to build in some cases," said lab director Mary Li. "We have people on the street now."

Supporters hope to be able to reduce the cost per house if the project expands, but the price tag is still cheaper than government-funded shelter beds per year. A family of four costs $32,000 a year to house and help in a shelter.

That same family could be supported in one of the pilot project's tiny houses for $15,000 a year during the five-year contract.

Once in the tiny houses, the families will plug into existing county services, including a mobile team that helps people stay in their homes after experiencing homelessness. That includes resolving disputes with landlords, helping manage unexpected expenses and job help.

Meyer Memorial Trust and the joint city-county homeless office are contributing $175,000 each to the pilot program.

If the county decides to expand the project, Li and her team would return to city and county officials to ask for more money.

So far, the idea has Mayor Ted Wheeler's support, as well as the county's.


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"When I talk to Portlanders, they often ask me what they can do to help address the homelessness situation. Most want to volunteer time or donate resources, but some really want to do more," Wheeler said. "This pilot is a great way to test whether partnerships between homeowners, government and those experiencing homelessness can work."

Wheeler is under pressure to produce results to help homeless people after campaigning on that platform. He also wants to move away from allowing people to live on the streets or in tents.

City and county officials also supported an alternative shelter idea that relies on the tiny house model in the Kenton neighborhood, where 14 "sleeping pods" are going -- just big enough for a homeless person to sleep in and store belongings. The Kenton project will be for women and last a year, when advocates and officials will figure out whether to expand it.

In that case, the city wanted neighborhood buy-in and won approval from the Kenton Neighborhood Association. But in this case, Portland already has a rental accessory dwelling unit policy.



Tiny house village for homeless women approved by Kenton neighborhood


Tiny house village for homeless women approved by Kenton neighborhood

The neighborhood association voted 178 to 75 in favor of a village of 14 tiny houses for homeless women. It is the first one initiated by the city.


"This is really just rental housing as any rental housing would be," said joint office director Marc Jolin. "It's a family that is going to be renting, so I don't expect this will be a situation that would cause significant concern for neighborhoods."

Jolin said the joint office has heard the community calling for government to get smarter and more creative on how to deal with the homeless population. This project shares that burden with the private and nonprofit sector.

Jolin expects most of the families will want to move on quickly from the tiny houses, which would be about 200 square feet, with bunkbeds for the kids and water, sanitation and plumbing. If they move out before the five-year contract is up, a new family will move in.

But there's no time limit how long they can stay. Once the units revert to a landlord's ownership, homeless service providers will find a new place for families if the owners choose not to rent to them anymore.

Willamette Week first reported plans for the experiment earlier this week.

The Idea Lab acknowledges that the details are in flux now, with more to figure out, such as how the family will be expected to contribute to the costs of living there and possible tax abatements for the landlords.

But Li said the venture is part of coming at the problem from a different perspective than how government usually works -- a necessity, she said, considering that the homeless crisis is only worsening.

Multnomah County surveyed nearly 4,000 people without permanent housing in 2015, and advocates and officials expect that number to be the same, if not more, when the results of 2017's homeless count arrive in the next months.

"I don't think anyone of us feels like we can rest on our laurels," Li said. "It has not ended and we can do more. Everyone can do more."

[singular_me]

see thread: Are You Lost At Sea?

[Dachsie]

Guess I'm guilty of thread drift here, but just saw this video this morning and it focuses on tiny houses and such in several west coast areas, focusing on Oregon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI-mtXA-0gc

I notice a fuzziness in governmental policy as to what is "affordable housing" and what is "housing for the homeless."

A YouTube friend of mine was thinking of starting some kind of tiny house program with some other investors to house those who can afford some house payment and can qualify for some kind of like 30 to 50 thousand dollar loan. Think this is meant to help veterans or those tetering on the edge of homelessness. I wrote to him and said he should stay away from that whole scheme altogether. I think he is withdrawing from that but not sure.

Also see these links in my study of these matters...

Also see

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I personally am torn between helping human beings in need and

living by Christian standards -

New American Standard Bible

"For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."

2 Thessalonians 3:10

In that bible verse, they were talking about Christians living physically together in close community and not allowing anyone to live within that community who will not work and carry their part of the load. They did more or less live in "communistic" type of living situations, as do most traditional catholic religious orders with vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.

I see some faulty thinking on people who want to go back to the land movement and live rural and be self sustaining - homesteading / prepping etc. It just cannot be one happly little commune of like minded people. Bickering and selfishness always seems to come in as well as total laggards and grifters.

Also read this interesting subject that set me off in thinking on these matters of people want to just drop out and get out the clutches of the government and people who want to help the poor with basic living needs and people who want our borders enforced.

http://sm.tfp.org/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbXNpZD0xJmF1aWQ9Jm1haWxpbmdpZD0xOTE1M DImbWVzc2FnZWlkPTc3MTAwJmRhdGFiYXNlaWQ9MTgzMDEmc2V yaWFsPTE2Nzk5NTI2JmVtYWlsaWQ9YXJjaGllazFAcHJvZGlne S5uZXQmdXNlcmlkPTFfMjUwMiZ0YXJnZXRpZD0mZmw9JmV4dHJ hPU11bHRpdmFyaWF0ZUlkPSYmJg==&&&2007&&&http://www.tfp.org/the-barbarian-challenge/?utm_source=sm-tfp&utm_medium=email&utm_content=TFP170317&utm_campaign=tfp_newsletter


The Benedict Option and the Barbarian Challenge
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The Benedict Option and the Barbarian ChallengeScratch the soul of many a conservative and beneath you will find a villager. Something is there that attracts these Americans to more natural and simpler lifestyles. Perhaps it is because organic and authentic things appear restful and reassuring in a world of uncertainties and anxieties.

Not sure I completely understand Dr. Horvat's thesis but it is good to remember that tiny house communities will actually ATTRACT bad people wanting to cause them harm.

[singular_me]

dont know where I read that but I read somewhere that the gov was interested in tiny houses for the people, after the collapse it may well be the new living standard for anybody depending on the state for lodging accommodations

tiny houses + universal basic income, there is a logic there



Think this is meant to help veterans or those tetering on the edge of homelessness. I wrote to him and said he should stay away from that whole scheme altogether. I think he is withdrawing from that but not sure.

[crimethink]

David Knight does an excellent report on this.

Uh, no. No verifiable facts. Who, what, when, where, why, how...the fact points for a journalist. "Homeowner" and "Middle Eastern people" (sic) are meaningless. When is not specified, nor the time span when this happened. A "small town" in "Texas"? Texas is a big place, so that is not helpful.

I'd love to know if there are more details that have been left out which would change the story dramatically. If he had utilities at his place, we need an explanation as to why they were transferred to a new account holder. We need to know why he failed to have someone watch his place, at least infrequently. A "small Texas town" where his neighbors wouldn't notice the new traffic?

[crimethink]

With more than $300,000 and volunteer homeowners, Multnomah County has a new idea to fight homelessness: Build tiny houses in people's backyards and rent them out to families with children now living on the street.

The leftist fanatics in Portland assume that homelessness is caused by lack of money. This solution would work if that was the only, or even the major problem.

Most people are homeless due to drugs, including alcohol and/or other anti-social behaviors, which make them unable to function in a normal housing setting. And yes, there are even some who prefer to be homeless, due to an aversion to structured lifestyle (fewer rules and regimentation).

This will help but a minority of those projected to be helped. The rest will fail to follow basic rules of decency, engage in criminal activity in the host's backyard, and/or otherwise be unsuccessful at living in a place that is luxurious compared to what most people have lived in throughout history. Then more money will be demanded, and new "causes" will be identified, including "racism" and other "discrimination" - everything but the actual root causes.

[crimethink]

I personally am torn between helping human beings in need and

living by Christian standards -

New American Standard Bible

"For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."

2 Thessalonians 3:10

"Christian standards" = standards of Jesus Christ:


But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.


Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

Where there is conflict between Christ and Paul: Christ > Paul.

[cheka.]

i'm surprised the 24,000 new houses via muni bond debt hasn't garnered any comments. 24,000 new houses will house 50-100k NEW leeches.

how many existing housing leeches right now? another 50-100k? so portland is saddling taxpayers/property owners with housing 100-200k of free shit army? plus bankster and big gov skimming and inefficiencies? holy fking hell

[Hitch]

David Knight does an excellent report on this.
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This is good to know. The thing to do, is to escort them out as soon as you know about it, at gunpoint. Get your buddies and neighbors, and remove them by force.

Then deal with the paperwork. When you first arrive at home, if the home is in your name...you call the shots. The biggest mistake was that the homeowner called the cops. The illegals who you forced out should be calling them, if they dare.

If you have a big backyard, bury them so they can't harm others. Others like me would thank you.

[Neuro]

The leftist fanatics in Portland assume that homelessness is caused by lack of money. This solution would work if that was the only, or even the major problem.

Most people are homeless due to drugs, including alcohol and/or other anti-social behaviors, which make them unable to function in a normal housing setting. And yes, there are even some who prefer to be homeless, due to an aversion to structured lifestyle (fewer rules and regimentation).

This will help but a minority of those projected to be helped. The rest will fail to follow basic rules of decency, engage in criminal activity in the host's backyard, and/or otherwise be unsuccessful at living in a place that is luxurious compared to what most people have lived in throughout history. Then more money will be demanded, and new "causes" will be identified, including "racism" and other "discrimination" - everything but the actual root causes.

I agree! This isn't an effort to "help the homeless", but to disrupt life in middle class suburbia. Put one of these deadbeats in a small house in a backyard, and he doesn't only make life a living hell for the liberal moron who is his landlord, but also to the families in the houses next. Most people moved to the suburbs for their families and children to be safe from inner city thug life, now they are moving the worst of the worst to these people's gardens.

[crimethink]

I agree! This isn't an effort to "help the homeless", but to disrupt life in middle class suburbia. Put one of these deadbeats in a small house in a backyard, and he doesn't only make life a living hell for the liberal moron who is his landlord, but also to the families in the houses next. Most people moved to the suburbs for their families and children to be safe from inner city thug life, now they are moving the worst of the worst to these people's gardens.

The typical low-level leftist believes that utopia can be achieved by forcing more and more people to conform to the delusion. Most of these leftists will never learn, even when they are being raped or even murdered by those they "believe" in "empowering." Hence, resistance, violent, if necessary, must occur when their grandiose plans are made compulsory.

[crimethink]

This is good to know. The thing to do, is to escort them out as soon as you know about it, at gunpoint. Get your buddies and neighbors, and remove them by force.

Then deal with the paperwork. When you first arrive at home, if the home is in your name...you call the shots. The biggest mistake was that the homeowner called the cops. The illegals who you forced out should be calling them, if they dare.

You know that in California, and many other supposedly "saner" states, this would result in you being charged with assault with a deadly weapon, conspiracy to commit a felony, possession of a firearm during commission of a felony, committing assault motivated by bias ("hate" crime), and whatever else the shysters at the persecutor's office can concoct.

"The Law" is for you, not for "them" or their invading pets.

I have no moral or ethical opposition to what you propose, but I'm just pointing out the reality for those not prepared to go "all the way" (including risking death by armed resistance to the state and its goon enforcers).

[Dachsie]

One thing I know about Oregon is that irt is a "sanctuary" Left Blue state. Oregon is very liberal and has been in the Agenda 21 program for decades. I live in a large Left Blue Agenda 21 metro area but, unlike West coast states, I am surrounded by a large Red state, mostly rural or semi rural inhabitants.

We are right in the middle of a brewing revolution that is, I think, actually planned and orchestrated. It is planned for the "government" and the Left and the banksters to win, and those "winners" want a North American Union, no borders and a socialist tyrannical slave state. Many sense that we are about to move in to a SHTF situation and that having a place to live that is as far away and remote from the city as possible is the best defense. I think so too.

Oregon is the first state to legally allow medical doctors to have a different oath other than the Hippocratic oath of "I will do no harm." They are the first state to allow "assisted suicide." It is a state located just up the coast from one of the Bluest states in the Union, California. California has been an easy welfare dole state for over half a century. A person I knew years ago was an enlisted soldier helicopter flyer in Viet Nam. When he got home he moved out to California and worked flying helicopters for movie companies and actors to get to remote sets and I think it was even for Evergreen Helicopter company which was a CIA type cover company. Anyway, work became sparse and he became involved with alcohol and he went on welfare quite easily though he was a young relatively healthy man. His payment was huge, like much more than I made on my first employment after college, and for sitting around doing nothing. He and many youngest Nam vets just got free everything for doing nothing.

In that video I posted in this thread covering several homeless shelters and efforts on the West Coast, I think it was one of the administrators of one of the programs stated that they just had no idea why the homeless population and problem was so large in Oregon. They just saw it as a big mystery why there were so many many unemployed and homeless people.

There is a smallish relatively poor town, population about 20,000, down the road from me and the town has a strong policy of not allowing homeless camps or even allowing unemployed homeless young men to try to settle there. The people in the town tacitly require people who move there to live with established related townfolk and to have gainful employment. They have no welfare programs of any kind and do not even want them in their jail for any length of time. Their police just make the place so unwelcoming in every way that the homeless person moves on down the road to better pickins. None of their Christian churches have any helping or handout programs at all. All of this is off the record but strongly established policy. Needless to say this insular community has virtually no crime.

[Dachsie]

"This is good to know. The thing to do, is to escort them out as soon as you know about it, at gunpoint. Get your buddies and neighbors, and remove them by force.

Then deal with the paperwork. When you first arrive at home, if the home is in your name...you call the shots. The biggest mistake was that the homeowner called the cops. The illegals who you forced out should be calling them, if they dare.

If you have a big backyard, bury them so they can't harm others. Others like me would thank you. "

This reminds me of a Western movie that came out circa mid- 1990s. There was a scene where this land shark, capetbagger type, visisted the rural homestead of a widow woman who lived there with her three big strappin' sons. The well dressed dude in his horse and carriage and two or three accomplice land sharks /quasi-government ops came around and said they owed big tax bill and that they had to either pay huge amount or move out immediately. The fat old mama of the household told them her husband had died and they were doing their best to keep their homestead going but these creeps would not take no for an answer and became more threatening. She then called her sons to come to the front porch with her and she bowed her head in prayer to ask God if the way she was about to deal with this situation was in His will. She lifted her head and told her sons, who were circled around now holding their locked and loaded guns, and told them to just shoot these land grabbers and bury them out back. They physically looked very much like they meant business and the small time gangsters sheepishly drove away. I love it!!!

[Joshua01]

I'd simply shoot the motherfuckers for trespassing and bury them in the local landfill with a couple of pounds of bacon to be sure they don't get their virgins

[midnight rambler]

I prefer letting my dogs munch on 'em.


This is good to know. The thing to do, is to escort them out as soon as you know about it, at gunpoint. Get your buddies and neighbors, and remove them by force.

Then deal with the paperwork. When you first arrive at home, if the home is in your name...you call the shots. The biggest mistake was that the homeowner called the cops. The illegals who you forced out should be calling them, if they dare.

If you have a big backyard, bury them so they can't harm others. Others like me would thank you.

[madfranks]

tiny houses + universal basic income, there is a logic there

You know, one of the basic rules of economics is along the lines of "when price goes down, more is demanded." If you give people free houses and income, you are doing nothing else but increase the demand for such freebies. When such things are just given to those who have no desire to give back to their community (or in many cases they hate the White Christian communities they're in), but just want to take and take and take, you're creating a recipe for disaster.

[Dachsie]

I still want a detailed explication of exactly how illegal aliens are being deported from the USA right now.

That is always something never ever explained and we have zero proof that these individuals are definitely and permanently placed outside of the borders of the USA.

Some of the temporary camps are strictly managed and there is zero tolerance for theft, alcohol, violence and drugs. But the good camps DO NOT supply tiny houses or make things TOO COMFORTABLE. That is a cardinal rule of moving people out of these temporary helping situations.

We have one or two good camps in our area and they are strictly temporary. They provide like army tents and we have very mild climate so people can live fine outside in these nice tents. Those who do not qualify for these camps because of drugs, live outside and can get to two or three building shelters if the temp drops to freezing. A guy in my neighborhood collects winter clothing and blankets and takes his truck down to the place where these druggies wait to get transported to the building to sleep and not freeze that night, and this bus stop is loaded with needles and syringes on the ground. I brought this guy several wool blankets and woolen clothing to distribute to them because I get sick of all the special care for dogs and cats to rescue and prefer to donate and give my efforts to saving the baby humans, even if they are drug addicted useless members of society. We did not have winter this year so I guess this guy will just hold the items I and others brought to him for next year.

I am talking about US citizens only here. Otherwise give them a free trip to be dropped off in a Mexican dessert, at gunpoint.

We used to have a place called The Farm that a Catholic priest started and it was on the rural southeast outskirts of town and several men lived there and raised animals and a garden and kept their own food and shelter going for themselves. They were severe alcoholics and they wanted to stay clean so they just knew they had to live out there for years and that is where they will live their lives. They never go off the property. I knew one of the residents and he was one of the nicest people I have ever known. I am not sure this place is still operating since the priest is deceased.

[palani]

Years ago a friend and I were enjoying a frothy brew at a corner table in the local bar after work. A guy we didn't know came up and explained how he would like us to move because he was having a small party and wanted the table we occupied. We didn't move. Angry looks were shot in our direction. A few minutes later the same guy came up, pointed to a vacant spot at the bar with a couple beers already waiting and suggested we accept his hospitality.

Guess what?

We moved.

The point being an immovable object might be moved with the proper tool. Law is not it.

[madfranks]

Years ago a friend and I were enjoying a frothy brew at a corner table in the local bar after work. A guy we didn't know came up and explained how he would like us to move because he was having a small party and wanted the table we occupied. We didn't move. Angry looks were shot in our direction. A few minutes later the same guy came up, pointed to a vacant spot at the bar with a couple beers already waiting and suggested we accept his hospitality.

Guess what?

We moved.

The point being an immovable object might be moved with the proper tool. Law is not it.

Interesting story! So are you suggesting that if the incentives were properly placed, the undesirables will simply move there on their own accord?

[palani]

Interesting story! So are you suggesting that if the incentives were properly placed, the undesirables will simply move there on their own accord?I would suggest that diplomacy and reasoning would be in the best interest of all. Given the downside of dealing with a corrupt legal system with arcane rules figure out what the cost will be and provide some incentive. Maybe set up an apartment for a couple months. How does a bus trip to Las Vegas sound? A camping vacation to the catskills? How about a free plane ride home or marry my sister (that last is a joke)?

[palani]

Levant et couchant is a concept that rights (and trespasses) occur when one lies down at sunset and rises the following morning. This is the concept used by the owner of land when one of the neighbors cattle comes calling. Once the cow is levant et couchant it can be seized and held for ransom until costs are paid.

[Glass]

Levant et couchant is a concept that rights (and trespasses) occur when one lies down at sunset and rises the following morning. This is the concept used by the owner of land when one of the neighbors cattle comes calling. Once the cow is levant et couchant it can be seized and held for ransom until costs are paid.

I'm wondering how I can incentivize the bums slumming it on my office door step since last night. So far all I've managed is a mouth full of expletives for turning off the water tap and a pile of belongings left piled up outside which clearly indicates another stay over tonight.

Free beer is probably not an option. Well...... I wouldn't mind free beer but they're not getting any.

I think maybe I might need to stream some death metal at full volume tonight......

[crimethink]

I would suggest that diplomacy and reasoning would be in the best interest of all. Given the downside of dealing with a corrupt legal system with arcane rules figure out what the cost will be and provide some incentive. Maybe set up an apartment for a couple months. How does a bus trip to Las Vegas sound? A camping vacation to the catskills? How about a free plane ride home or marry my sister (that last is a joke)?

Giving them an incentive to leave would be cheaper than dealing with the "justice" system!

[crimethink]

I'm wondering how I can incentives the bums slumming it on my office door step since last night. So far all I've managed is a mouth full of expletives for turning off the water tap and a pile of belongings left piled up outside which clearly indicates another stay over tonight.

Free beer is probably not an option. Well...... I wouldn't mind free beer but they're not getting any.

I think maybe I might need to stream some death metal at full volume tonight......

Wash the "front door" with your hose.

Have a friend, armed, stand with you while doing so.

[Glass]

Wash the "front door" with your hose.

Have a friend, armed, stand with you while doing so.

yes I chuck a bucket of water there on my way out, but it's still fairly warm here so it dries up quickly. Sometimes before anyone shows up for the night. These ones have only just started hanging around although I have seen them before. I'm pretty sure on of them is a speeder.

[palani]

I'm wondering how I can incentivize the bums slumming it on my office door step
Easy enough. Give them a uniform, pay them in cheerios and turn 'em into doormen. Or you might leave a meal ticket to a buffet in Sydney. These are positive methods. A negative method is skunk odor although coyote odor would work too if you didn't mind a bunch of dingos replacing them.

[Glass]

Easy enough. Give them a uniform, pay them in cheerios and turn 'em into doormen. Or you might leave a meal ticket to a buffet in Sydney. These are positive methods. A negative method is skunk odor although coyote odor would work too if you didn't mind a bunch of dingos replacing them.

i know what you mean and I did consider it but there are unmentionable behavioral issues that I'm pretty sure these ones are responsible for. Anyway some action was taken. Nothing destructive but I hope the message is received. Lets see what happens the next time I arrive for work. I do usually have compassion for people on the street. They aren't all bad people. Sometimes its just circumstance beyond their control and sometimes they are their own worst enemy.

[Jewboo]

I'm wondering how I can incentivize the bums slumming it on my office door step since last night.

"my".

:rolleyes: