A wager for 7th trump

[crimethink]

Are you ready to test your theories?

I will wager one full Gold American Eagle that your tax theories will earn you, at best, merely "civil penalties" by the IRS and/or in tax court, but, at worst, prison, by a "tax court," for tax evasion and fraud.

I dare you to take my wager.

Send a letter to the IRS detailing what you have claimed repeatedly here at GSUS, and then post their written response (you can redact your name & address & TIN).

If their response is as I assert, demand a hearing in tax court. If the hearing goes your way, you are $1200+ richer. Even more so, I will affirm I will NEVER post at GSUS again if your claims are proven right in tax court. Finally, you would be a hero to millions of taxpayers.

[ximmy]

What a ridiculous thing to wager...

yeah, stir up a hornets' nest.

I dare you...
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[crimethink]

What a ridiculous thing to wager...

A GAE is ridiculous?

Why are you running interference for him? Do you believe the bullshit he spews about not paying Federal taxes based on a false interpretation of USC?

He loves to call many here "liars," but I'm putting it to him to prove he is not himself the worst liar. If what he claims is true, there is NO risk to him whatsoever. He can only stand to gain.

[ximmy]

I dare you...
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[Hillbilly]

Briefcase Byebull boy will never do that. He is a cowardly, misguided troll.

[7th trump]

Are you ready to test your theories?

I will wager one full Gold American Eagle that your tax theories will earn you, at best, merely "civil penalties" by the IRS and/or in tax court, but, at worst, prison, by a "tax court," for tax evasion and fraud.

I dare you to take my wager.

Send a letter to the IRS detailing what you have claimed repeatedly here at GSUS, and then post their written response (you can redact your name & address & TIN).

If their response is as I assert, demand a hearing in tax court. If the hearing goes your way, you are $1200+ richer. Even more so, I will affirm I will NEVER post at GSUS again if your claims are proven right in tax court. Finally, you would be a hero to millions of taxpayers.

Lol.....you really are that ignorant about income taxes arent you?
I guess I'm gonna have treat you like an infant.
Dont really know how to tell you this but I've been doing this for quite some time.

The IRS doesnt receive a W3 transmittal to access a liability. Have you ever heard of a LEO issuing speeding tickets because your vehicle is parked in your garage?
Nope!
Likewise the IRS doesnt access any liability based on having -0- "income" in their system.

[Cebu_4_2]

Lol.....you really are that ignorant about income taxes arent you?
I guess I'm gonna have treat you like an infant.
Dont really know how to tell you this but I've been doing this for quite some time.

The IRS doesnt receive a W3 transmittal to access a liability. Have you ever heard of a LEO issuing speeding tickets because your vehicle is parked in your garage?
Nope!
Likewise the IRS doesnt access any liability based on having -0- "income" in their system.


"stealth"

I understand completely.

[crimethink]

Dont really know how to tell you this but I've been doing this for quite some time.


Oh, trump, I believe you! Seriously, honestly, I believe you.




Likewise the IRS doesnt access any liability based on having -0- "income" in their system.

Well then, your FREE Gold American Eagle is calling your name!

Just write that letter to the IRS, tell them you are not an "employee" but an "hourly worker," that you did not complete a Form W-4, your employer does not transmit a W-3 or issue you a 1099, and ask them to confirm you have no tax liability in accordance with your interpretation of the law.

[Hillbilly]

Oh, trump, I believe you! Seriously, honestly, I believe you.




Well then, your FREE Gold American Eagle is calling your name!

Just write that letter to the IRS, tell them you are not an "employee" but an "hourly worker," that you did not complete a Form W-4, your employer does not transmit a W-3 or issue you a 1099, and ask them to confirm you have no tax liability in accordance with your interpretation of the law.

He wont, he probably pays taxes just likes to act like a big shot on here.

[Neuro]

"stealth"

I understand completely.

Don't wake the sleeping bear! ;D

[Neuro]

Are you ready to test your theories?

I will wager one full Gold American Eagle that your tax theories will earn you, at best, merely "civil penalties" by the IRS and/or in tax court, but, at worst, prison, by a "tax court," for tax evasion and fraud.

I dare you to take my wager.

Send a letter to the IRS detailing what you have claimed repeatedly here at GSUS, and then post their written response (you can redact your name & address & TIN).

If their response is as I assert, demand a hearing in tax court. If the hearing goes your way, you are $1200+ richer. Even more so, I will affirm I will NEVER post at GSUS again if your claims are proven right in tax court. Finally, you would be a hero to millions of taxpayers.
This sounds like a good bet. I'll pay the equivalent of 1 troy ounce of gold once 7th Trump has proven that his tax scheme is legal after contact with the IRS. This is low hanging fruit now for ya 7th!

[crimethink]

This sounds like a good bet. I'll pay the equivalent of 1 troy ounce of gold once 7th Trump has proven that his tax scheme is legal after contact with the IRS. This is low hanging fruit now for ya 7th!

Well, trump, it just got A LOT better! Now it's TWO free ounces of gold! What do you have to lose?

[7th trump]

Well, trump, it just got A LOT better! Now it's TWO free ounces of gold! What do you have to lose?

Ohh looky look....gsus has a pair of twins, neuro and dumbthink. Not the smartest, but cute!

[midnight rambler]

Just like we've all been suspecting, a whole lot of talking shit and no action to back it up. lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkCWVNaX6-k

[Neuro]

Ohh looky look....gsus has a pair of twins, neuro and dumbthink. Not the smartest, but cute!

It's low hangin fruit trump. Why don't you pick it up?

[crimethink]

Ohh looky look....gsus has a pair of twins, neuro and dumbthink. Not the smartest, but cute!

We're offering you almost $2500. It would be stupid not to take it.

[midnight rambler]

We're offering you almost $2500. It would be stupid not to take it.

Being stuck on stupid is the only reason to decline your offer, i.e. unless the dung beetle is just flat out lying about the situation in the first place.

[7th trump]

Being stuck on stupid is the only reason to decline your offer, i.e. unless the dung beetle is just flat out lying about the situation in the first place.

And you dont think yapping how great putin and russia are isnt a "dung" subject?

Your beloved russia fell to worthless jews. Not a shot fired in protest.
Now the russians are suspicious of everything and everyone which is from allowing themselves to be continually brainwashed and used like a bunch of drunken trailer park trash.
Just think for a minute there grasshopper.......you're from a trailer park country where the men are just worthless drunks who beat their women. Your communist idols have just about destroyed the world with communism that breeds liberalism to destroy its host.

You make comrad marx and lennon proud........oh vey midnight.

[7th trump]

We're offering you almost $2500. It would be stupid not to take it.
You're not even close to being trust worthy!
Like I say....you're 30% giving head to yourself and 70% stroking your ego.

I know you dont have a clue on the subject of taxes when you make up "net tax payer" to make yourself appear intelligent.

File that 1040 by April 15 if you haven't done so already...same with you midnight. I know you dont know shit about taxes either.

[crimethink]

Rant against midnight rambler deleted

Are you preparing your letter to the IRS? TWO OUNCES of gold are calling for you!

[crimethink]

You're not even close to being trust worthy!
Like I say....you're 30% giving head to yourself and 70% stroking your ego.

I know you dont have a clue on the subject of taxes when you make up "net tax payer" to make yourself appear intelligent.

You have NOTHING to lose by my/our offer!

You'll get two ounces of gold, but, more importantly, you will become a national hero - no shit. All you need do is get that official position letter from the IRS telling the world that your interpretation of tax law is correct.

[crimethink]

You're not even close to being trust worthy!

Oh, and since you are implying I am a liar who will renege on giving you your GAE when the IRS confirms your tax law interpretation is valid, let me propose this: we can enter into a formal escrow agreement.

To be honest, if your interpretation of tax law is declared valid by the IRS in writing, I would have far, far more to gain than losing one ounce of gold. I could make a mountain of cash joining you in promoting your ideas. Millions of people would want to know how to save thousands on their annual tax bills. Selling an e-book for $5 would make either or both of us rich.

[midnight rambler]

Your beloved Uncle Satan fell to worthless jews.

www.aipac.org (http://www.aipac.org)

www.jinsa.org

(http://www.jinsa.org)www.adl.org (http://www.adl.org)

www.bnaibrith.org

un.org (http://www.bnaibrith.org/)

lol

[7th trump]

www.aipac.org (http://www.aipac.org)

www.jinsa.org

(http://www.jinsa.org)www.adl.org (http://www.adl.org)

www.bnaibrith.org

un.org (http://www.bnaibrith.org/)

lol
Silly little boy..those are mere political organizations.
The jews slaughtered the russians by the millions over decades. Hitler tried to come to your aid but you refused Hitler and fought instead for the jews to further your demise.
Now russia is rendered a third world woman beating drunken shit hole because the jews used what was left of the russians as tools and continue too. They slaughtered the intelligent ones left the pussy's to breed.

[7th trump]

Oh, and since you are implying I am a liar who will renege on giving you your GAE when the IRS confirms your tax law interpretation is valid, let me propose this: we can enter into a formal escrow agreement.

To be honest, if your interpretation of tax law is declared valid by the IRS in writing, I would have far, far more to gain than losing one ounce of gold. I could make a mountain of cash joining you in promoting your ideas. Millions of people would want to know how to save thousands on their annual tax bills. Selling an e-book for $5 would make either or both of us rich.


Naaa..no thank you.
I dont need you or anyone to finish my book or website.

I did the research myself.

[Joshua01]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5247/5255420355_740976435b_b.jpg

[crimethink]

I dont need you or anyone to finish my book or website.

I did the research myself.

That's awesome! The letter from the IRS can be the crown jewel to your book and website.

[Hillbilly]

Briefcase Byebull boy, is a liar, a walter middy type who is a "bad ass tax dodger" only in his mind. 2500 dollars would go a long way in paying for his dream of having his Saliva Glands relocated to his asshole though.

[Neuro]

Oh, and since you are implying I am a liar who will renege on giving you your GAE when the IRS confirms your tax law interpretation is valid, let me propose this: we can enter into a formal escrow agreement.

To be honest, if your interpretation of tax law is declared valid by the IRS in writing, I would have far, far more to gain than losing one ounce of gold. I could make a mountain of cash joining you in promoting your ideas. Millions of people would want to know how to save thousands on their annual tax bills. Selling an e-book for $5 would make either or both of us rich.

I would be willing to put the cash equivalent into escrow, once he confirms that he has sent the letter to IRS... I would suggest using Madfranks as a trustworthy middle hand. 7th Trump could send the letter to him, once Madfranks got the cash equivalent from me and a GAE from Crimethink, he sends the letter to IRS.

As expected though, 7th Trump believes his own position depends on keeping his mouth shut and not rock the boat. That is why he isn't taking this bet. $2,500 worth of gold isn't very much, when you are talking about back taxes for several years, penalties and probable prison time!

Or more probable the dung beetle is just paying his taxes, but due to his otherwise boring life rolling shit uphill, that only rolls down, he invented this 'interesting' online character, that 'doesn't pay federal taxes'.

;D

[Neuro]

That's awesome! The letter from the IRS can be the crown jewel to your book and website.

Doubleplusgood! $2,500 and the letter from IRS/Court Judgement, confirming he was correct in his interpretation of tax code. He just need to put that on the cover and it is a sure sell! $39.99 in pocket format.

...Otherwise he'll just sound like all the other nut jobs promoting tax evasion to the gullible, through their very personal interpretation of tax law!

Apart from the Nobel prize he will get in Physics from his groundbreaking understanding of thermodynamics in regards to induction heaters, he may also be up for the Prize in Economics in Alfred Nobels memory.

[7th trump]

You guys really think this is just a theory huh?

I finally found some old files on my Win7 operating system that wouldnt initially open due to a virus. Luckily I knew I had saved it several times and one of them wasnt corrupted and it opened for me. Not so much luck with some other files tho.

But here you go. I found these SS morsels looking around on the SSA website years ago. Some are not found on the website any longer....wonder if I caused them to disappear. Back then I was hitting it hard and heavy to get this information out on the web. Glad I copied and saved it.




RM 00206.066 Inquiries Based on IRS Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) Backup Withholding Program A. BACKGROUND IRS regulations require payers of interest and dividends to provide IRS with the correct name and TIN of the payee. For individuals, the TIN is usually the SSN. IRS periodically provides payers with lists of TINs that do not match their records.
Since IRS records are created from SSA data, it may be necessary for the individual to contact SSA to correct or verify information contained on SSA records. In some cases, the individual will request that SSA provide third party verification to the interest payer.
Interest payers are required to withhold 31 percent of the interest or other reportable payments due when the individual does not provide a valid TIN. Those individuals who are notified for the first time that the name and TIN supplied by the payer to IRS does not match IRS data only need to notify the payer that they have taken corrective action. Those individuals notified of a discrepancy for the second time in a three year period must provide proof to the payer that they have a valid SSN through SSA third party verification before backup withholding can be discontinued.

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100206066 (https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100206066)




RM 01101.009 IRS/SSA CAWR Agreement A. INTRODUCTION Under the authority provided by Section 232 of the Act, IRS and SSA have entered into an interagency agreement that specifies how the Combined Annual Wage Reporting (CAWR) process will work.

B. OPERATING POLICY The following are pertinent extracts from the IRS/SSA interagency agreement on the CAWR system.
· Reconciliation (Article IV):
o “SSA agrees to: ....Notify employers of missing or discrepant FICA wage reports identified by SSA based upon comparisons of SSA and IRS records. The employer notices will be sent to employers...prior to any IRS reconciliation activity for the tax year.”
· Employer Education (Article IV):
o “Both IRS and SSA agree to...Promote better employer reporting practices by participating in joint educational workshops for business employers and magnetic media seminars.”
· Disclosure Safeguards (Article VI):
o “SSA will provide safeguards prescribed under 26 USC 6013 (p) (4) for all federal tax returns and return information received from taxpayers and IRS. SSA employees and contractors employed by SSA are subject to the provisions of 26 USC 7213 and 7431 regarding unauthorized disclosures.”
· Review Procedures:
o “Both IRS and SSA agree to: Designate representatives to meet no later than October 1 of each year to review the method and effectiveness of data exchange processes between the two agencies during the preceding 9-month period and review this agreement for any changes that will improve the processing and/or reconciliation of employer reports.”

· Processing Responsibilities (Appendix, Subsection (a)):

o .....
14. The money fields on the Forms W-2 that will be electronically and clerically balanced to Forms W-3 totals by SSA are: Advanced Earned Income Credit (EIC) payments, FICA wages, FICA tips, FICA Tax Withheld, Federal Income Tax Withheld, Allocated Tips, and Wages, Tips, and Other Compensation.

15. SSA will validate all Forms W-2 and W-2P on SSN and name.
.....
16. Tolerances for FICA-related reconciliation will be less than a quarter of coverage level for that tax year.
17. SSA will furnish to IRS the reported and processed totals of all Forms W-2, W-2P, and W-3 money fields....
......

18. No changes may be made in SSA's balancing tolerances without prior discussion and consultation with IRS.

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0101101009 (https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0101101009)



B. DESCRIPTION OF (CAWR) PROCESS 1. Combined Annual Wage Reporting (CAWR) Reports After 1977 Under the CAWR process, employers continue to file Forms 941, 942, and 943 quarterly with IRS. But no Schedule A forms are filed. Instead, form W-2's are filed by the employer as the annual wage report for his or her employees. These reports, in the form of Copy A of the W-2's and a copy of the employer transmittal Form W-3 (or in the form of electronic records of W-2 and W-3 data plus transmittal Form 6559), are filed with SSA annually on or before the last day of February in the year following the wage reporting year.

[midnight rambler]

A whole lot of UNPROVEN theory and NO practice. lol

[7th trump]

A whole lot of UNPROVEN theory and NO practice. lol
Yeah what ever douche bag.
Typical asshole reply from the guy who refuses to disclose how he circumvents filing a 1040 when he has a business with employees.

Lol......you're just trying to stir the shit is all.
Dont ya have some low life drunken commy russian bastard friends to go play with?
God forbid your woman cant stand your drunken asses...they go all over the world looking for a better male than what you are.

LMAO!!

[crimethink]

You guys really think this is just a theory huh?

I finally found some old files on my Win7 operating system that wouldnt initially open due to a virus. Luckily I knew I had saved it several times and one of them wasnt corrupted and it opened for me. Not so much luck with some other files tho.

But here you go. I found these SS morsels looking around on the SSA website years ago. Some are not found on the website any longer....wonder if I caused them to disappear. Back then I was hitting it hard and heavy to get this information out on the web. Glad I copied and saved it.

All I'm asking you to do to earn the GAE is write a letter to the IRS, detailing all you've posted, and asking them for a written response. When they send you the letter confirming your position (and you post it here), I send you the GAE to whatever POB or PMB you want.

For your convenience, here's the address:

Taxpayer Assistance Center
3205 Williams Blvd SW
Cedar Rapids, IA 52404

[7th trump]

Some more court cites that were lost.


The Courts also said:
“Since the right to receive income or earnings is a right belonging to every person, this right CANNOT be taxed as a privilege”.
Jack Cole Co. v. MacFarland, 337 S.W. 2d 453, 455-456. (Tenn 1960)
And,
“The right to labor and to its protection from unlawful interference is a Constitutional as well as a Common Law right. Every man has a natural right to the fruits of his own industry”.
48 Am Jur 2d, Section 2, Page 80

Remember you signed the W4......the act of signing is an act of volunteering. If participation was compelling you wouldnt be signing any document....they would just deduct and withhold...no W4 would be required.
The government does follow the Constitution and why courts seem to be rigged, but for most they dont understand this and go off in left field where conspiracies manifest.

[7th trump]

Social Security didnt make its way into Title 26 (tax law) until the 1939 revised tax code. As we all know you have deductions and withholdings through out the year and then in the following year you are required to file by April 15. So we have Ss introduced in the 1939 tax code and everyone is having withholdings taken out at source and it should reflect an increase in filed 1040's for 1940...right?

Well take a look at this government document below.
Its doubled from 7 million in 1939 to 14 million for 1940.



The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified on February 3, 1913, so if it is what allowed the government to tax “incomes, from whatever source derived” then we should have an influx of people start filing starting around 1913 or 1914. Please review the chart below as I have compiled a list of the number of returns from 1913 to 2005 as well as a corresponding population. I have also added a category of the percentage of the American public filing as well as a percent increase of filings from the previous year.



Year
Number of Returns
Population
% of Population Filing
% Increase


1913
358,000
97,225,000
0.37%
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1914
358,000
99,111,000
0.36%
0.00%


1915
337,000
100,546,000
0.34%
-5.87%


1916
437,000
101,961,000
0.43%
29.67%


1917
3,473,000
103,268,000
3.36%
694.74%


1918
4,425,000
103,208,000
4.29%
27.41%


1919
5,333,000
104,514,000
5.10%
20.52%


1920
7,260,000
106,461,000
6.82%
36.13%


1921
6,662,000
108,538,000
6.14%
-8.24%


1922
6,787,000
110,049,000
6.17%
1.88%


1923
7,698,000
111,947,000
6.88%
13.42%


1924
7,370,000
114,109,000
6.46%
-4.26%


1925
4,171,000
115,829,000
3.60%
-43.41%


1926
4,138,000
117,397,000
3.52%
-0.79%


1927
4,102,000
119,035,000
3.45%
-0.87%


1928
4,144,000
120,509,000
3.44%
1.02%


1929
4,133,000
121,767,000
3.39%
-0.27%


1930
3,852,000
123,076,741
3.13%
-6.80%


1931
3,411,000
124,039,648
2.75%
-11.45%


1932
4,083,000
124,840,471
3.27%
19.70%


1933
3,892,000
125,578,763
3.10%
-4.68%


1934
4,198,000
126,373,773
3.32%
7.86%


1935
4,670,000
127,250,232
3.67%
11.24%


1936
5,486,000
128,053,180
4.28%
17.47%


1937
6,350,000
128,824,829
4.93%
15.75%


1938
6,251,000
129,824,939
4.81%
-1.56%


1939
7,652,000
130,879,718
5.85%
22.41%


1940
14,711,000
132,122,446
11.13%
92.25%


1941
25,870,000
133,402,471
19.39%
75.85%


1942
36,619,000
134,859,553
27.15%
41.55%


1943
43,722,000
136,739,353
31.97%
19.40%


1944
47,111,000
138,397,345
34.04%
7.75%


1945
49,932,000
139,928,165
35.68%
5.99%


1946
52,817,000
141,388,566
37.36%
5.78%


1947
55,099,000
144,126,071
38.23%
4.32%


1948
52,072,000
146,631,302
35.51%
-5.49%


1949
51,814,000
149,188,130
34.73%
-0.50%


1950
53,060,000
152,271,417
34.85%
2.40%


1951
55,447,000
154,877,889
35.80%
4.50%


1952
56,529,000
157,552,740
35.88%
1.95%


1953
57,838,000
160,184,192
36.11%
2.32%

[Neuro]

God forbid your woman cant stand your drunken asses...they go all over the world looking for a better male than what you are.


Projecting again, you're the one divorced, remember?

[midnight rambler]

The reason the dung beetle doesn't go for the reward is 'cause he's a mouthy coward who is unable to back up his trash talk.

[7th trump]

Projecting again, you're the one divorced, remember?

Says the guy who married a filthy muslim.

You project you are intelligent but yet couldnt figure out I was referring to the russian women in general. Its they who dislike their own russian men because they are just drunks and women beaters.
Seems the generations after the bolshevic revolution the russians men are still drinking the jewish cool-aid of being under the control of jews by means of alcohol.
Any decent russian men are pickled into extinction.

[Neuro]

Says the guy who married a filthy muslim.

You project you are intelligent but yet couldnt figure out I was referring to the russian women in general. Its they who dislike their own russian men because they are just drunks and women beaters.
Seems the generations after the bolshevic revolution the russians men are still drinking the jewish cool-aid of being under the control of jews by means of alcohol.
Any decent russian men are pickled into extinction.
I see so you are importing a Russian wife then?

[7th trump]

The reason the dung beetle doesn't go for the reward is 'cause he's a mouthy coward who is unable to back up his trash talk.

What research I have allowed this forum to see is enough for any reasonable intelligent person to realize I'm not your typical dumb shit asshole who cant disclose how or why he doesnt pay taxes like you.
Care to take another stab at disclosing how you're not paying taxes and the IRS hasnt knocked on your door?
Yeah...I didnt think so!
You couldnt defend yourself from a measly skeeter bite let alone understand the statutes and laws I'm posting.

[7th trump]

I see so you are importing a Russian wife then?

Wouldnt that be up your alley to convolute and lie about. After all you married a muslim foreigner.

[midnight rambler]

I'm not your typical dumb shit asshole

Ah yes, something we can agree upon - you're certainly not a typical dumbshit asshole, you're a very exceptional, extraordinary dumb shit AND a huge COWARDLY asshole.

[EE_]

Says the guy who married a filthy muslim.

Ward, I think you were a little hard on the beaver...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bd8QMnUIgAApchb.jpg:large

[7th trump]

Ah yes, something we can agree upon - you're certainly not a typical dumbshit asshole, you're a very exceptional, extraordinary dumb shit AND a huge COWARDLY asshole.

Lol...you're the coolest ever.

[Neuro]

Ah yes, something we can agree upon - you're certainly not a typical dumbshit asshole, you're a very exceptional, extraordinary dumb shit AND a huge COWARDLY asshole.

He's special... LOL

[crimethink]

What research I have allowed this forum to see is enough for any reasonable intelligent person to realize I'm not your typical dumb shit asshole who cant disclose how or why he doesnt pay taxes like you.
Care to take another stab at disclosing how you're not paying taxes and the IRS hasnt knocked on your door?
Yeah...I didnt think so!
You couldnt defend yourself from a measly skeeter bite let alone understand the statutes and laws I'm posting.

Don't you realize the profound opportunity I'm affording you?

My proposal will give you both proof in writing that your law interpretation actually works to shield "hourly workers" from taxes, and, a "kickstarter" fund for you to immediately publish your book/website.

Are you ready to take my offer? All it takes is a letter to the Taxpayer Assistance Center, address previously provided.

You can't lose.

[Hillbilly]

Put up or shut up Briefcase Bible boy, you are a liar and a coward if you can not do this one simple thing.

[7th trump]

Put up or shut up Briefcase Bible boy, you are a liar and a coward if you can not do this one simple thing.

Ahh yes........we cant forget the other resident fool can we. Wouldnt be lucky charms without you.

[boogietillyapuke]

Right or wrong; why would anyone purposely load their pockets with money, walk up to the thief and ask do you want to mug me.

[crimethink]

Right or wrong; why would anyone purposely load their pockets with money, walk up to the thief and ask do you want to mug me.

Are you implying 7th trump's interpretation of the law is in error? Please explain.

[boogietillyapuke]

No. I'm not trying to refute or defend his opinion, or yours either.

Do you really expect that he'd get an honest answer either way? At best, he'd get a computer generated stock standard letter with an IRS form # on it in response.

[7th trump]

No. I'm not trying to refute or defend his opinion, or yours either.

Do you really expect that he'd get an honest answer either way? At best, he'd get a computer generated stock standard letter with an IRS form # on it in response.
Booggy don't let the bonehead intimidated ya!
I haven't even started in on 26usc 6051, 3101, 3121 or 3401.
After I do if dumbthink still doesn't understand the simple statutes then he's just another scared shitless doubter who has no reason to question anyone.
Theres one thing for sure about dumbthink......he will always ridicule, belittle, boast and brag.
He'll play my game......I will not play his!!!
And I certainly have better things to do than jump through any bullshit he has.
Hes a no one and always will be.

[jimswift]

At best, he'd get a computer generated stock standard letter with an IRS form # on it in response.

This.

This is how they deal with any and all comers. They will send these forms until forever.

They hold up "frivolous" & "no standing" to everything.

[Hillbilly]

Its official: 7th Dump aka briefcase bible boy is a cowardly lying shill. He can not do one simple little thing to back up his years of bullshit, even though it would result in significant finacial gain(by his standards anyway) prepare for everything you say from here on out to be taken with a grain of salt for the lying crap it really is.

[crimethink]

Do you really expect that he'd get an honest answer either way? At best, he'd get a computer generated stock standard letter with an IRS form # on it in response.

A "form letter" is all that's needed.

If the response is contrary to trump's position, he can file a Federal court action, and force the issue. I have noted this fact elsewhere.

[crimethink]

He'll play my game......I will not play his!!!
And I certainly have better things to do than jump through any bullshit he has.

I play no games, especially not yours.

What "bullshit" do I propose? Are you admitting you have no valid, lawful arguments?

[7th trump]

Its official: 7th Dump aka briefcase bible boy is a cowardly lying shill. He can not do one simple little thing to back up his years of bullshit, even though it would result in significant finacial gain(by his standards anyway) prepare for everything you say from here on out to be taken with a grain of salt for the lying crap it really is.
Lol.......what ever Burger King........have it your way!
lmao!

[Neuro]

I play no games, especially not yours.

What "bullshit" do I propose? Are you admitting you have no valid, lawful arguments?

Your "bullshit" was to ask him to back up what he is saying, with real proof. He realizes he will not be able to do so, but instead of admitting that his theory isn't based on facts, he chooses to personally attack those who questions him. Essentially he thinks two wrongs makes him right. ;D

[Hitch]

I don't give a shit either way, but 7th, you need to step up to the plate here and swing the bat. Maybe answer the questions that folks ask you. Some good honest folks here have asked for that.

[Hillbilly]

Briefcase Bible boy, tells a good story but thats all it is....a story. Lying little coward that runs his mouth on the web to make himself feel better about is shitty little life.

7th Dump you are a yellow bellied, chicken shit, egg sucking coward if you can not do this one thing. Pull out your tampon and grow some balls!

[7th trump]

Briefcase Bible boy, tells a good story but thats all it is....a story. Lying little coward that runs his mouth on the web to make himself feel better about is shitty little life.

7th Dump you are a yellow bellied, chicken shit, egg sucking coward if you can not do this one thing. Pull out your tampon and grow some balls!

Have to give him credit....big words for such a little guy.
Hes trying his hardest to stay in between the lines with dull crayons. Its not really his fault. He hasnt learned to use the crayon sharpener that comes with the crayon box.
Maybe some day he'll notice the sharpener?

[7th trump]

I don't give a shit either way, but 7th, you need to step up to the plate here and swing the bat. Maybe answer the questions that folks ask you. Some good honest folks here have asked for that.
What questions?
no questions were asked!

what you have is dumbthink has cucked you.
all heis doing is taking the heat off him. He's knows this "net tax payer" thingy he made up is totally a lie.
Crimethink pays his taxes like all of you do.

[Neuro]

What questions?
no questions were asked!

what you have is dumbthink has cucked you.
all he wants is doing is taking the heat off him. He's knows this "net tax payer" thingy he made up is totally a lie.
Crimethink pays his taxes like all of you do.

Hey loudmo7th, you pay your taxes too. LOL

[7th trump]

Hey loudmo7th, you pay your taxes too. LOL
Get a load of this foreigner neuro punk, as if he's an American, stirring the hate pot.
This foreign Muslim marrying chump has no dog in the issue of American taxes and here he is aggitating trouble.
i think he's jealous he has to pay income taxes and we as Americans don't......lmao!

maybe he can take some advice from hillbilly about keeping the crayons between the lines?

[Neuro]

Get a load of this foreigner neuro punk, as if he's an American, stirring the hate pot.
This foreign Muslim marrying chump has no dog in the issue of American taxes and here he is aggitating trouble.
i think he's jealous he has to pay income taxes and we as Americans don't......lmao!


Stirring the hate pot? I offered to pay you an ounce of gold for you to prove you don't have to pay taxes. Obviously it is something wrong with your head to reject such a generous offer. Probably the reason why your lardass, communist, Muslim wife decided to divorce you. You really are bottom of the barrel of scum material shorty. ;D

[crimethink]

So, here's the scoop.

Since it appears 7th trump has no intention of taking my/our offer, I told a friend who is an IRS "Enrolled Agent" about this thread earlier today. An "Enrolled Agent" is a private businessperson certified by the IRS to handle high-complexity tax matters (and represent clients before the IRS). He took a look, and had a hearty laugh. But, more importantly, he contacted his brother-in-law, who works for IRS/CI (that's "Criminal Investigation"), who has now also looked through this thread, and 7th trump's other related posts. He is quite interested in the claims presented. In particular, the assertion that an employer conspired not to comply with W-4 requirements. Uh oh.

I apologize to JQP if any subpoenas for 7th trump's information are forthcoming, but it's out of my hands. Although 7th trump has blabbed enough about personal details an IP address may not be needed (for example, "Local 145"). I guess his theories might just be tested anyway.

[midnight rambler]

That's unfortunate, I have been sincerely and genuinely hoping that the card-carrying Communist was going to show everyone the way out of the IRS minefield and free tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands or even millions) who line up to serve Satan in 11 days.

[crimethink]

That's unfortunate, I have been sincerely and genuinely hoping that the card-carrying Communist was going to show everyone the way out of the IRS minefield and free tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands or even millions) who line up to serve Satan in 11 days.

I thought the stupid ass just might take my offer, which was completely serious. As I noted, if I was wrong and he was right, I had a lot more to gain than to lose a GAE. It's 100% clear that he is 100% full of shit, and God help him if the IRS actually pursues this.

[7th trump]

So, here's the scoop.

Since it appears 7th trump has no intention of taking my/our offer, I told a friend who is an IRS "Enrolled Agent" about this thread earlier today. An "Enrolled Agent" is a private businessperson certified by the IRS to handle high-complexity tax matters (and represent clients before the IRS). He took a look, and had a hearty laugh. But, more importantly, he contacted his brother-in-law, who works for IRS/CI (that's "Criminal Investigation"), who has now also looked through this thread, and 7th trump's other related posts. He is quite interested in the claims presented. In particular, the assertion that an employer conspired not to comply with W-4 requirements. Uh oh.

I apologize to JQP if any subpoenas for 7th trump's information are forthcoming, but it's out of my hands. Although 7th trump has blabbed enough about personal details an IP address may not be needed (for example, "Local 145"). I guess his theories might just be tested anyway.

Lol....
Tell this imaginary friend and his brother-in-law to join the GSUS ranks.
I'll gladly discuss some "high-complexity" tax matter.



I wonder if both know the answer to a relatively easy question?
What came first?
The chicken or the egg?

[crimethink]

Tell this imaginary friend and his brother-in-law to join the GSUS ranks.

You may believe what you wish to believe.

[7th trump]

You may believe what you wish to believe.
Lol!!

[crimethink]

Lol!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blMxB09L5q0

[Hitch]

L
I wonder if both know the answer to a relatively easy question?
What came first?
The chicken or the egg?

If you end up in jail for tax fraud, it doesn't matter if they know the answer to that question. They know taxes, not chickens. If you are currently "cheating" the system in a fraudulent manner by not paying taxes, they will find out.

Most of us grumble and complain, but we do pay our taxes and are legal.

Tax people, need to report everything, or else they lose their license. You tell them, and they have a duty to report. It sounds like you've been reported on, and if I were you, I'd shut up on this forum and start the process of documenting everything.

[Neuro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blMxB09L5q0

Good one! I think what most of these epic fails have in common is a narcissistic personality disorder combined with delusions of grandeur. So it fits perfectly with our dear friend loudmo7th Trump!

[Neuro]

If you end up in jail for tax fraud, it doesn't matter if they know the answer to that question. They know taxes, not chickens. If you are currently "cheating" the system in a fraudulent manner by not paying taxes, they will find out.

Most of us grumble and complain, but we do pay our taxes and are legal.

Tax people, need to report everything, or else they lose their license. You tell them, and they have a duty to report. It sounds like you've been reported on, and if I were you, I'd shut up on this forum and start the process of documenting everything.
Nah! A few years in the can would do him good! ;D

[7th trump]

If you end up in jail for tax fraud, it doesn't matter if they know the answer to that question. They know taxes, not chickens. If you are currently "cheating" the system in a fraudulent manner by not paying taxes, they will find out.

Most of us grumble and complain, but we do pay our taxes and are legal.

Tax people, need to report everything, or else they lose their license. You tell them, and they have a duty to report. It sounds like you've been reported on, and if I were you, I'd shut up on this forum and start the process of documenting everything.

You're not paying any attention.
What came first? The chicken or the egg?
The 26usc 3402 imposition or earning 26usc 3401(a) "wages"?
Which one comes first?
Come on Hitch its an easy one. Simple accounting!

[7th trump]

Lol fred.
Heres the back of the W4 form.


Privacy Act and Paperwork Reduction Act Notice. We ask for the information on this form to carry out the Internal Revenue laws of the United States. Internal Revenue Code sections 3402(f)(2) and 6109 and their regulations require you to provide this information; your employer uses it to determine your federal income tax withholding. Failure to provide a properly completed form will result in your being treated as a single person who claims no withholding allowances; providing fraudulent information may subject you to penalties. Routine uses of this information include giving it to the Department of Justice for civil and criminal litigation; to cities, states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. commonwealths and possessions for use in administering their tax laws; and to the Department of Health and Human Services for use in the National Directory of New Hires. We may also disclose this information to other countries under a tax treaty, to federal and state agencies to enforce federal nontax criminal laws, or to federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to combat terrorism.

Remember me stating regulation 301.6109-1(d)?
Even the W4 form tells you everything you need to know about why (or not) you need to fill out a W4 form.
LMAO....their own regulation thats on the W4 refers to 6109 and 6109's regulations say participation is voluntary.


LMFAO little boy fred!
Bring on any government peon. I'll see to it he/she loses his license to ever work in the public sector.
42usc 1983


42 U.S. Code § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights Current through Pub. L. 114-38 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-114publ38/html/PLAW-114publ38.htm). (See Public Laws for the current Congress (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php?n=PublicLaws).)







Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.


(R.S. § 1979; Pub. L. 96–170 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/L?d096:./list/bd/d096pl.lst:170%28Public_Laws%29), § 1, Dec. 29, 1979, 93 (http://uscode.house.gov/statviewer.htm?volume=93&page=1284)


1935 Social Security ACT

[crimethink]

7th trump has started deleting the evidence for his tax evasion:


http://gold-silver.us/forum/forumdisplay.php?24-Finance-and-Economics


The income tax thread
Started by 7th trump, 30th March 2017 06:28 PM
1 Deleted Post(s)
Thread deleted by 7th trump

[7th trump]

7th trump has started deleting the evidence for his tax evasion:


http://gold-silver.us/forum/forumdisplay.php?24-finance-and-economics


the income tax thread
started by 7th trump, 30th march 2017 06:28 pm
1 deleted post(s)
thread deleted by 7th trump
omg!!
Are you sure there was evidence or you just making up lies again?
Not much of a Christian if you are making up lies. God hates liars and gossipers.

James 1:26

Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. (http://www.biblestudytools.com/james/1-26.html)

[crimethink]

Are you sure there was evidence or you just making up lies again?


madfranks or Ares can confirm you deleted the thread.




Not much of a Christian if you are making up lies. God hates liars and gossipers.


Nearly every post you make contains lies.

[7th trump]

madfranks or Ares can confirm you deleted the thread.




Nearly every post you make contains lies.

Lol.....yeah so I deleted the thread so what!
It doesnt prove your allegations are true.
What alleged evidence do you beleive I deleted? Just merely deleting a thread doesnt mean there was evidence.....see you are so full of your bullshit you make up shit because thats really what you are at the core.
I'm playing you along because the opportunity was there and I wanted everyone who reads this thread to see a peek into your head.
You're no Christian. Christians dont make nasty allegations about someone.

Ohh what the heck I'll tell you why I deleted the thread.
I deleted it because there wasnt a button to lock the thread once I posted.
I was gonna show everyone how Social Security turns money into taxable "income"........or aka "wages". But I didnt want any assholes who cant be taught to post.
Yeah I'm talking about you dumbthink. You cant be taught anything because you believe you already know everything there ever is to possibly know.
Also didnt want you to put doubt into any forum members mind...which you are so good at.
You really are wicked and controlling!
So there you have it...the reason why I deleted the thread...no lock button to keep assholes like yourself from shitting all over it.
But I used your own nonsense against you to show everyone what kind of dickhead you are.....hook line and sinker.....asshole deep.
You assumed I deleted the thread because you thought you had me and posted a remarkably stupid post (I knew you would) that suggests I deleted the thread because it would catch me in a lie....LMAO!

[crimethink]

I deleted it because there wasnt a button to lock the thread once I posted.

Sure. You really do think people are stupid.

[7th trump]

Sure. You really do think people are stupid.No, but you surely do.