Pacific Ocean is “Turning Into a Desert”

[singular_me]

dont worry, they are just starfish, at the bottom of the ocean food chain


human competition is killing off animal competition and committing suicide by the same token.. that is what happens when one has dominion over nature... so is man an animal or does he have the responsibility and the choice to avoid his own extinction... where stands the "magical darwinian gene", the ultimate hoax? Blaming it all on AI? well it is precisely why transhumans are about to make a break through, because society endorses competition as a way of life. Corporations only get a slap on the wrists every now and then but will never pay to clean up after themselves because their shareholders would vanish.
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March 23, 2017
Massive Cover-Up Alleged To Be Ongoing At Large, West Coast Universities As The Pacific Ocean Food Chain Collapse
http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-04-03-massive-academic-cover-up-concealing-a-near-total-collapse-of-ocean-food-chains-mass-death-to-humans-will-follow.html

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Study Finds Plastic Ending Up In The Guts Of Some California Fish
September 25, 2015
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/09/25/plastic-fibers-california-fish-guts-uc-davis-half-moon-bay/

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A startling new report says in no uncertain terms that the Pacific Ocean off the California coast is turning into a desert. Once full of life, it is now becoming barren, and marine mammals, seabirds and fish are starving as a result. According to Ocean Health:

The waters of the Pacific off the coast of California are a clear, shimmering blue today, so transparent it’s possible to see the sandy bottom below […] clear water is a sign that the ocean is turning into a desert, and the chain reaction that causes that bitter clarity is perhaps most obvious on the beaches of the Golden State, where thousands of emaciated sea lion pups are stranded.

[…]

Over the last three years, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has noticed a growing number of strandings on the beaches of California and up into the Pacific north-west. In 2013, 1,171 sea lions were stranded, and 2,700 have already stranded in 2015 – a sign that something is seriously wrong, as pups don’t normally wind up on their own until later in the spring and early summer.

“[An unusually large number of sea lions stranding in 2013 was a red flag] there was a food availability problem even before the ocean got warm.”Johnson: This has never happened before… It’s incredible. It’s so unusual, and there’s no really good explanation for it. There’s also a good chance that the problem will continue, said a NOAA research scientist in climatology, Nate Mantua.

Experts blame a lack of food due to unusually warm ocean waters. NOAA declared an El Nino, the weather pattern that warms the Pacific, a few weeks ago. The water is three and a half to six degrees warmer than the average, according to Mantua, because of a lack of north wind on the West Coast. Ordinarily, the north wind drives the current, creating upwelling that brings forth the nutrients that feed the sardines, anchovies and other fish that adult sea lions feed on.

Fox News added:

The warm water is likely pushing prime sea lion foods — market squid, sardines and anchovies — further north, forcing the mothers to abandon their pups for up to eight days at a time in search of sustenance.

The pups, scientists believe, are weaning themselves early out of desperation and setting out on their own despite being underweight and ill-prepared to hunt.

[…]

“These animals are coming in really desperate. They’re at the end of life. They’re in a crisis … and not all animals are going to make it,” said Keith A. Matassa, executive director at the Pacific Marine Mammal Center, which is currently rehabilitating 115 sea lion pups.

The same is true of seabirds on the Washington State coast:

In the storm debris littering a Washington State shoreline, Bonnie Wood saw something grisly: the mangled bodies of dozens of scraggly young seabirds. Walking half a mile along the beach at Twin Harbors State Park on Wednesday, Wood spotted more than 130 carcasses of juvenile Cassin’s auklets—the blue-footed, palm-size victims of what is becoming one of the largest mass die-offs of seabirds ever recorded. “It was so distressing,” recalled Wood, a volunteer who patrols Pacific Northwest beaches looking for dead or stranded birds. “They were just everywhere. Every ten yards we’d find another ten bodies of these sweet little things.”

“This is just massive, massive, unprecedented,” said Julia Parrish, a University of Washington seabird ecologist who oversees the Coastal Observation and Seabird Survey Team (COASST), a program that has tracked West Coast seabird deaths for almost 20 years. “We may be talking about 50,000 to 100,000 deaths. So far.” (source)

100,000 doesn’t necessarily sound large, statistically speaking, but precedent in the history of recorded animal deaths suggests that it is, in fact massive. Even National Geographic is noting that these die off events are “unprecedented.” Warmer water is indicated for much of the starvation faced by many of the dead animals.

Last year, scientists sounded the alarm over the death of millions of star fish, blamed on warmer waters and ‘mystery virus’:

Starfish are dying by the millions up and down the West Coast, leading scientists to warn of the possibility of localized extinction of some species. As the disease spreads, researchers may be zeroing in on a link between warming waters and the rising starfish body count. (source)

[…] MORE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzboANfUJwI


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjBg7rmzu4

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THE PLASTIC BOOM - RUN UP FOR PROFITS - DESTROYING THE PLANET

The 192 countries with a coast bordering the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans, Mediterranean and Black seas produced a total of 2.5 billion metric tons of solid waste. Of that, 275 million metric tons was plastic, and an estimated 8 million metric tons of mismanaged plastic waste entered the ocean in 2010
February 12, 2015
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150212154422.htm
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.sciencedaily.com%2F 2015%2F02%2F150212154422_1_900x600.jpg&u=https://images.sciencedaily.com/2015/02/150212154422_1_900x600.jpg

[Ares]

human competition is killing off animal competition and committing suicide by the same token.. that is what happens when one has dominion over nature... so is man an animal or does he have the responsibility and the choice to avoid his own extinction... where stands the "magical darwinian gene", the ultimate hoax? Blaming it all on AI? well it is precisely why transhumans are about to make a break through, because society endorses competition as a way of life. Corporations only get a slap on the wrists every now and then but will never pay to clean up after themselves because their shareholders would vanish.

Says the hypocrite who uses electricity, and computer whose raw materials are usually produced by near slave labor conditions from war torn countries.

Get off your fucking high horse, its getting pathetic.



because society endorses competition as a way of life


Ummmm no, that is life in general. From microbial life up to advanced multi cell organisms.

You're lost in your own delusions.

[singular_me]

not too shabby... shooting the messenger...

it takes more courage to awaken to the fact that darwin is a monunetal hoax that glues everything together.... because if any real change must get a chance to help humanity, that is where we must strike at the core... all the rest is consequences, and what you write below by extension. Materialism is a mega trap...

It is the premise of money and darwin the problem and you seem to have a mental block here. Not me.

oops, my laptop is 8 year old, and plan to by a new one this year, FINALLY :D, my only serious budget is wholesome food, for the rest, I live veryyy frugally, get my cloths at goodwill and militate for a change in mindset. Now if you have a problem with it... that is your problem, right???

every groupthink has a BLACK SHEEP. LOL


Says the hypocrite who uses electricity, and computer whose raw materials are usually produced by near slave labor conditions from war torn countries.

Get off your fucking high horse, its getting pathetic.




Ummmm no, that is life in general. From microbial life up to advanced multi cell organisms.

You're lost in your own delusions.

[Ares]

not too shabby... shooting the messenger...

No, you can pass your message and leave the ridiculous commentary out if it. THEN you would be the messenger. What I quoted was not the message, but your hypocritical idiocy.


it takes more courage to awaken to the fact that darwin is a monunetal hoax that glues everything together.... because if any real change must get a chance to help humanity, that is where we must strike at the core... all the rest is consequences, and what you write below by extension. Materialism is a mega trap...

Sure, just as soon as you can convey your lack of logic and reasoning to certain molds to stop producing forms of penicillin that prohibits bacteria from consuming the same resources as the mold, you know competition..... :rolleyes:


It is the premise of money and darwin the problem and you seem to have a mental block here. Not me.

The only mental block is you having your head so far up your ass that the light you think you see is knowledge when it's really the doctors flash light wondering how you got your head so far up there.


oops, my laptop is 8 year old, and plan to by a new one this year, FINALLY :D, my only serious budget is wholesome food, for the rest, I live veryyy frugally, get my cloths at goodwill and militate for a change in mindset. Now if you have a problem with it... that is your problem, right???

Going to use money to make that purchase I assume? :rolleyes:


every groupthink has a BLACK SHEEP. LOL

You are your own group think, minus any semblance of reality.

[Horn]

Most evils can be traced to their roots.

In this case once again its fiat currency and cheap plastic products from China.

Silicon-Environ Californians will not own up to this so as to protect their royalty and status.

Only Gold and Silver can save the planet.

A moneyless society will not do, cause you need a THING to save the planet. Not a THING (or nothing) won't do it.

[singular_me]

... you seem to have missed that I posted an article yesterday saying that right now, our current technology could create 49% joblessness overnight... so tell me how money can resolve this headache?

There is nobody to blame but ourselves. As long as we endorse a blame game we cannot see the real stakes.

I believe that many people on here entertain the idea that they will get RICH with their stashes, but it wont happen, because it is the end of the paradigm (of materialism). Cannot be stretched any longer. Money will not save the world but the way we see life and getting less attached to our materialistic possessions. Because they is HOW/WHY the NWO was able to trick the game to start with. Man has lived in a perpetual state of separatedness (inner spiritual divide) since about millennia.

There is no monetary issue per se but a war on CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS/SPIRITUALITY and as long as it is not acknowledged, money will lead to much of the same outcomes, human sufferings.

Only the awareness of the Universe/God is all there is. The future of mankind will be spiritual oriented or AI and its minions will make us obsolete. Money has always been the smokescreen... and it is time to see beyond it

More realisically money has never really worked out... history is there to prove it: it just helps some concentrate an incredible wealth. Arent you tired with that fight and chasing money like cavemen to empower a top 1%?

Yes there are extremely serious questions.... metaphilosophical and metaphysical

sorry guys, I am some female version of J. Krishnamurti , like it or not, I dont care





Most evils can be traced to their roots.

In this case once again its fiat currency and cheap plastic products from China.

Silicon-Environ Californians will not own up to this so as to protect their royalty and status.

Only Gold and Silver can save the planet.

A moneyless society will not do, cause you need a THING to save the planet. Not a THING (or nothing) won't do it.

[singular_me]

you are not convincing to say the least, really

please tell me how money can/will save the job market when jobs will never come back... rationally speaking. ?

yes and I repeat man has no need to compete because he is NOT an animal, but if you cannot wrap your mind around that premise, indeed, we cannot see the issues the same way.

sorry guys, I am some female version of J. Krishnamurti , like it or not, I dont care .. what I am defending on here has been approached by COUNTLESS spiritualists/philosophers. No idiocy but very serious debate.

Blaming the cheap plastic from china is an excuse... the real bottom line is: HOW WERENT WE ABLE TO FORESEE THE LONG TERM DAMAGES CAUSED BY PLASTIC... answer: because profits were enormous. Fiat money makes it even worse... people are truly blind when $$ is on the table. The profits of war, did also exist when gold/silver were currencies. And this rather proves the point I am attempting to make.



No, you can pass your message and leave the ridiculous commentary out if it. THEN you would be the messenger. What I quoted was not the message, but your hypocritical idiocy..

[Ares]

you are not convincing to say the least, really

Says the hypocrite....... :rolleyes:


please tell me how money can/will save the job market when jobs will never come back... rationally speaking. ?

I've never said money can or would save the job market. You said it couldn't and yet have not convinced anyone how not using money could lead to a better world / civilization even RATIONALLY... Yet you demand a rational explanation.... That's ironic.... LOL


yes and I repeat man has no need to compete because he is NOT an animal, but if you cannot wrap your mind around that premise, indeed, we cannot see the issues the same way.

Which is why I say you are delusional. Man has to compete with nature, as well as each other for resources. Competition is built into our DNA which is why you are never going to get rid of it. If man never competed, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE discussing this on a forum.


sorry guys, I am some female version of J. Krishnamurti , like it or not, I dont care .. what I am defending on here has been approached by COUNTLESS spiritualists/philosophers. No idiocy but very serious debate.

It is idiocy as it's grounded in a false sense of self as well as the reality in which we all live. It's been approached "COUNTLESS" times as you say, but has never had much success in its implementation... Gee I wonder why that is? :rolleyes: Delusions are not compatible with reality, I'll give you the answer...


Blaming the cheap plastic from china is an excuse... the real bottom line is: HOW WERENT WE ABLE TO FORESEE THE LONG TERM DAMAGES CAUSED BY PLASTIC... answer: because profits were enormous. Fiat money makes it even worse... people are truly blind when $$ is on the table. The profits of war, did also exist when gold/silver were currencies. And this rather proves the point I am attempting to make.

It was foreseen decades ago, and was rallied against by countless others generations before you were born. How you can sit there with a straight face and still try to say that "How weren't we able to foresee the long term damages caused by plastic" falls flat on it's face with empirical evidence that says otherwise.

1970's environmental movement rallied against plastics and called them toxic. Your so blind sided by your own bullshit that you think no one else has seen any of this coming.. Really? What fucking world do you think you live in where you're some how the only "intelligent" (and I use that word LOOSELY) individual to come to this realization?

Let me spell it out to you, it's not corporations that are driving this it's HUMAN BEINGS that are driving this. Corporations DO NOT MAKE PRODUCTS THAT NO ONE WILL BUY... End of discussion.

Come up with a cheap viable alternative that is non-toxic and biodegrades. Until then STFU and stop being such a god damn hypocrite.

[Horn]

... you seem to have missed that I posted an article yesterday saying that right now, our current technology could create 49% joblessness overnight... so tell me how money can resolve this headache?

There is nobody to blame but ourselves. As long as we endorse a blame game we cannot see the real stakes.

I believe that many people on here entertain the idea that they will get RICH with their stashes, but it wont happen, because it is the end of the paradigm (of materialism). Cannot be stretched any longer. Money will not save the world but the way we see life and getting less attached to our materialistic possessions. Because they is HOW/WHY the NWO was able to trick the game to start with. Man has lived in a perpetual state of separatedness (inner spiritual divide) since about millennia.

There is no monetary issue per se but a war on CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS/SPIRITUALITY and as long as it is not acknowledged, money will lead to much of the same outcomes, human sufferings.

Only the awareness of the Universe/God is all there is. The future of mankind will be spiritual oriented or AI and its minions will make us obsolete. Money has always been the smokescreen... and it is time to see beyond it

More realisically money has never really worked out... history is there to prove it: it just helps some concentrate an incredible wealth. Arent you tired with that fight and chasing money like cavemen to empower a top 1%?

Yes there are extremely serious questions.... metaphilosophical and metaphysical

sorry guys, I am some female version of J. Krishnamurti , like it or not, I dont care

Dont take it personally, singular

Yur articles may have been futikake ;)

Piles of technology is vested and insured through fiat, if no fiat mankind would just be reaching for 70's technology about now.

Still each or any tech does not dispose humanity, only reinforces more production of humanity.

With exception of social technology which has your desired effect of population reduction.

"This statistic shows the number of full-time Facebook employees from 2004 to 2016. In 2007, 450 people were employed by Facebook, Inc. and as of December 2016, 17,048 people were in full-time employment by the social networking company"

Makework will demand Silver in any case.

[singular_me]

I've never said money can or would save the job market. You said it couldn't and yet have not convinced anyone how not using money could lead to a better world / civilization even RATIONALLY... Yet you demand a rational explanation.... That's ironic.... LOL

that humans have the dominion over nature because they arent designed to react like animals? The irrationality is not being able to comprehend this. You say anyone, but there are millions of people thinking like me on earth... they just do not wander this forum. Humans do NOT need the incentive of money to value themselves. The carrot and the tick is for cavemen

There is no monetary issue per se but a war on CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS/SPIRITUALITY and as long as it is not acknowledged, money will lead to much of the SAME outcomes, human sufferings will increase exponentially. Many are aware that the real battle is spiritual today in the world, and money will have to follow this premise. Either with a new economic zero-sum game model or let go monetarism.

can you grasp this?


It is idiocy as it's grounded in a false sense of self as well as the reality in which we all live. It's been approached "COUNTLESS" times as you say, but has never had much success in its implementation... Gee I wonder why that is? Delusions are not compatible with reality, I'll give you the answer...

yeah because following the money - materialism - is a religion onto itself. Materialism is the delusion, the paramount of all illusions. ;D And this nobody can teach anybody. The data is out there for those who wish to escape linear/circular thinking

Matter obeys the spiritual or lack thereof . If you can disprove this, you won this debate.

[singular_me]

Horn, it is not all because of babylon... more knowledge means less materialism. This trend is exponential and irreversible.

And i am sure FB will be among the first major tech firms that will lay off most of its employees. Lets talk about it in 2 or 3 years.



Dont take it personally, singular

Yur articles may have been futikake ;)

Piles of technology is vested and insured through fiat, if no fiat mankind would just be reaching for 70's technology about now.

Still each or any tech does not dispose humanity, only reinforces more production of humanity.

With exception of social technology which has your desired effect of population reduction.

"This statistic shows the number of full-time Facebook employees from 2004 to 2016. In 2007, 450 people were employed by Facebook, Inc. and as of December 2016, 17,048 people were in full-time employment by the social networking company"

Makework will demand Silver in any case.

[Horn]

Not at all, they need that many to balance their quota fiat tax payer ids.

Worthlessness in bad money must be spread about to retain its marketable value.

I have yet to see those equations between knowledge relations to Less materialisms.

[singular_me]

balance their quota fiat tax payer ids..... dont get it, i dont get when people start defending a vampiric system to sustain the ideology of monetarism

the more knowledge.less materialism equation is on our doorsteps... wait for the first waves of mass unemployment

free markets theories have gotten lots of support but the world has never known long periods of time with little/no gov intervention even during gold standard era...

4000 years of much if the same, what is the most delusional: hoping that it money will eventually serve the people or throwing in the towel? Materialism is what glues the pyramid and I dont think many want to brainstorm this because that is how deep we are f&^%$d... we really are



Not at all, they need that many to balance their quota fiat tax payer ids.

Worthlessness in bad money must be spread about to retain its marketable value.

I have yet to see those equations between knowledge relations to Less materialisms.

[Ares]

that humans have the dominion over nature because they arent designed to react like animals? The irrationality is not being able to comprehend this. You say anyone, but there are millions of people thinking like me on earth... they just do not wander this forum. Humans do NOT need the incentive of money to value themselves. The carrot and the tick is for cavemen

No but they certainly use it to buy food, clothes, "new" laptops as you said previously. It matters not how frugal you think you are, you're just as much a part of this system as the rest of us. Oh I believe that "millions" of people are as delusional as you are. The good thing about delusions though, is that they lack a foundation in reality and is the reason why their (as well as yours) beliefs never make it out of conceptual thinking.


There is no monetary issue per se but a war on CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS/SPIRITUALITY and as long as it is not acknowledged, money will lead to much of the SAME outcomes, human sufferings will increase exponentially. Many are aware that the real battle is spiritual today in the world, and money will have to follow this premise. Either with a new economic zero-sum game model or let go monetarism.

You mean the battle between the haves and have nots that has existed since the dawn of human civilization? Yeah gee what insightful deep thinking and critical analytical skills you have. I NEVER would of gotten it if you hadn't pointed it out like that.... /sarcasm


can you grasp this?

Can you grasp that as much as you would LIKE for things to change, they never will adhere to fantasy thought?



yeah because following the money - materialism - is a religion onto itself. Materialism is the delusion, the paramount of all illusions. ;D And this nobody can teach anybody. The data is out there for those who wish to escape linear/circular thinking

Uh huh, sure tell that to the starving children in Africa. Tell them that they can have all of their needs met. All they have to do is give up any material or want for monetary gain. You know everything that they DON'T have but just want to eat. Sooner or later you're going to have to realize is that we live, we die, and life isn't fair. People who try to make it fair is why we have the system we have now with whores and charlatans who preach equality and fairness raping the population.


Matter obeys the spiritual or lack thereof . If you can disprove this, you won this debate.

:rolleyes:

Sure, just as soon as you can tell certain molds to stop producing forms of penicillin to halt competition of bacteria on mold infested food sources.

[Horn]

Materialism would actually be a welcomed element and positive force.

What is rampant today is the illusion of materialism wrapped in disposability.

Markets everywhere are filled with nothing but low quality trash.

Free and available knowledge has created a People who think they are materialists who in reality are nothing but low quality trash can divers.

Humanity needs a new generation of true materialists to demand quality of life to survive. :)

[singular_me]

man does NO need a carrot and a stick to better himself, only caveman fall for it. we now see the mega social disaster it has created.

sorry you do not get that manipulation is embedded in the premise... just like money holds straight the masonic pyramid. You are into full circular thinking mode...

you have not yet grasped that the world will only start changing IF each of us changes, one at the time. The change starts within, and many people are beginning to understand that. All what is needed is a critical mass, my guess is 20% until it begins to spread like wildfire. Until then, yeah, I will have muddle through as much as I can. But that doesnt prevent me from spreading the word.

There is no other outcome to expect when we accept masters to rule. That thinking has created the virus and now it is a cancer. Only the MIND can offer a real remedy, the MIND governs the level of materialism we want ti accept in our lives. And let me tell you that in 10 years from now many will will start seeing the Light and rethinking all the warning about materialism made by countless spiritualists whose ranks I have joined.

meanwhile: 4000 years of much of the same... WHAT FOR... cashless universal basic income???

Have you carrot and a stick then and which the talmudists masons are very fond of, for them things will remain on a roll until we realize that we give them the rope to hang us and wake up.

There are cosmic laws we cannot bend, bypass or ignore, and that is their huge advantage.. enlightenment will ensue when the majority know about them.

ooh by the way, reducing human behaviors to biological behaviors is completely atheistic, that is scientism applied. And we now can see what racial/cultural bacteria type of behaviors has brought upon us. The bacteria tag depending on the eyes of the beholder. Keep fighting!



No but they certainly use it to buy food, clothes, "new" laptops as you said previously. It matters not how frugal you think you are, you're just as much a part of this system as the rest of us. Oh I believe that "millions" of people are as delusional as you are. The good thing about delusions though, is that they lack a foundation in reality and is the reason why their (as well as yours) beliefs never make it out of conceptual thinking.



You mean the battle between the haves and have nots that has existed since the dawn of human civilization? Yeah gee what insightful deep thinking and critical analytical skills you have. I NEVER would of gotten it if you hadn't pointed it out like that.... /sarcasm



Can you grasp that as much as you would LIKE for things to change, they never will adhere to fantasy thought?




Uh huh, sure tell that to the starving children in Africa. Tell them that they can have all of their needs met. All they have to do is give up any material or want for monetary gain. You know everything that they DON'T have but just want to eat. Sooner or later you're going to have to realize is that we live, we die, and life isn't fair. People who try to make it fair is why we have the system we have now with whores and charlatans who preach equality and fairness raping the population.



:rolleyes:

Sure, just as soon as you can tell certain molds to stop producing forms of penicillin to halt competition of bacteria on mold infested food sources.

[Ares]

man does NO need a carrot and a stick to better himself, only caveman fall for it. we now see the mega social disaster it has created.

Where the hell did that conclusion come from? Are you even capable of rational thought or discussion? Where did any of my previous conversations elude to man needing an incentive to better himself? Stop putting words in my mouth.


sorry you do not get that manipulation is embedded in the premise... just like money holds straight the masonic pyramid. You are into full circular thinking mode...

You're so full of shit. The only circular logic here is yours. You keep going around and around in circles trying to put to print what you have in your head and you keep getting frustrated when others don't share in your delusions. I've said from the beginning that money and the creation of money is corrupt. So shut the fuck up with your lies already. I understand the manipulation well, but I'm also smart enough to know that fucking wishful thinking isn't going to magically make it go away. The sooner you grow up and realize that the easier your existence will be.


you have not yet grasped that the world will only start changing IF each of us changes, one at the time. The change starts within, and many people are beginning to understand that. All what is needed is a critical mass, my guess is 20% until it begins to spread like wildfire. Until then, yeah, I will have muddle through as much as I can. But that doesnt prevent me from spreading the word.

You have not grasped that the world is not the fantastical delusion you have in your head. It doesn't work that way. You want to know why? FREE WILL. Individuals are free to do as they please, and your fucking fantasy doesn't even take that into effect. Your entire premise for your fucking delusion relies on an "IF". That is incredibly pathetic. IF I was born into wealth, I wouldn't of had to work as hard to get where I am in life. IF gasoline had been replaced by a different power source our vehicles wouldn't be filling up with a flammable fuel every 300-400 miles. You see how fucking pathetic it is to rely on an "IF" to conceptualize an idea? Only the weak minded rely on "IF". 20% of the world buys the bullshit? Are you fucking kidding me? LOL Yeah sure lady.. :rolleyes:


There is no other outcome to expect when we accept masters to rule. That thinking has created the virus and now it is a cancer. Only the MIND can offer a real remedy, the MIND governs the level of materialism we want ti accept in our lives. And let me tell you that in 10 years from now many will will start seeing the Light and rethinking all the warning about materialism made by countless spiritualists whose ranks I have joined.

Speaking of mind, you seem to be trapped in yours and wonder why no one can get around your circular logic. 10 years from now there will be other mindless dipshit drones buying into this bullshit fantasy huh? LOL you're the butt of your own joke but you fail to even see it.


meanwhile: 4000 years of much of the same... WHAT FOR... cashless universal basic income???

:rolleyes: Yeah human beings haven't advanced at all during that time frame.... Like you're not using that laptop to post your useless, baseless and excessively ridiculous drivel every chance you get right?


Have you carrot and a stick then and which the talmudists masons are very fond of, for them things will remain on a roll until we realize that we give them the rope to hang us and wake up.

Yeah, because I'm such a big supporter of Jewish masons.... In your pathetic carrot and a stick analogy what exactly is the benefit I'm supposedly chasing in this whimsical fantasy of yours?


There are cosmic laws we cannot bend, bypass or ignore, and that is their huge advantage.. enlightenment will ensue when the majority know about them.

I sure hope you don't quit your day job to become a prophet, you're going to be sorely disappointed. The number one cosmic rule which you, and not even the creator will violate as he gifted it upon us is free will. Until you realize that you're a lost cause. People aren't "waking up" one day and just going to decide to get rid of their money and material possessions.


ooh by the way, reducing human behaviors to biological behaviors is completely atheistic, that is scientism applied. And we now can see what racial/cultural bacteria type of behaviors has brought upon us. The bacteria tag depending on the eyes of the beholder. Keep fighting!

:rolleyes:

Have you not looked around and not seen human behaviors in the lower IQ races is purely biological? You really do live in your own fantasy world. Go to any ghetto in America, Detroit, Chicago, Washington D.C. at night and just walk around. Let us know how long you last, okay?

[monty]

man does NO need a carrot and a stick to better himself, only caveman fall for it. we now see the mega social disaster it has created.

We have a lot of cavemen in government.

[Dogman]

We have a lot of cavemen in government.[/COLOR]

Agreed? !

There are also a couple of knuckle draggers here on the forum also !

;D

[crimethink]

This thread's title is demonstrable bullshit. Figures from the year before Fukushima.

https://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/pls/webpls/MF_MONTHLY_LANDINGS.RESULTS


Year : From: 2010 To: 2015
Month : YEAR BY MONTH
Species : ALL SPECIES COMBINED
State : Alaska


Year Month Metric Tons Pounds $
2010 NSP 1,971,989.9 4,347,448,947 1,584,006,016
2011 NSP 2,428,165.0 5,353,132,572 1,893,134,775
2012 NSP 2,424,098.6 5,344,167,743 1,692,173,685
2013 NSP 2,627,122.9 5,791,755,146 1,878,360,113
2014 NSP 2,572,501.7 5,671,337,205 1,712,192,541
2015 NSP 2,738,903.8 6,038,187,367 1,763,425,604
GRAND TOTALS: - 14,762,781.9 32,546,028,980 10,523,292,734

[singular_me]

Where the hell did that conclusion come from? Are you even capable of rational thought or discussion? Where did any of my previous conversations elude to man needing an incentive to better himself? Stop putting words in my mouth.

because it is the premise of monetarism, which you defend... reward=salary-wealth=carrot and a stick

your insults are hurting your own argument, so hold on to your carrot and stick...

Yeah human beings haven't advanced at all during that time frame....Advanced...??? cattle for the top 1% is not a sign of advanced society, sorry. It may appear that we are advanced BUT the tools for enslavement have also improved exponentially.

You have embraced scientism. Man is not an animal, because he can increase his awareness/consciousness (some slower than others), what animals cannot do. Every living organism has it own level of consciousness, (matter being conscious), and all levels complete one another. But on human conscious level, man has dominion over nature (obviously you do NOT grasp that and cannot wrap your mind around because it would shatter your train of thoughts), so it is his choice or NOT to behave like a cell or animal... but please be my guest and continue to believe you are a smarter ape.

your ghetto argument is a moot because blacks are as much manipulated as any other races. Not talking of remote african tribe here. We are all being set up.

4000 years (3500 of gold standard and 500 of fiat money) for CASHLESS UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME... and you call me delusional because I can draw a conclusion ??? ;D That money was never meant to free us... 4000 years tell us this.

enjoy your day, we cannot debate further obviously. dead end

[Horn]

Great Value Carrots!!!

No, no High Quality Carrots, Please!!! ;)

I want a Garden...I want MY garden...

[singular_me]

Great Value Carrots!!!

No, no High Quality Carrots, Please!!! ;)

I want a Garden...I want MY garden...

I am chewing on one actually LOL

[Horn]

I am chewing on one actually LOL

Yurs is marxist and has a bald head.

Mine has a beard like a lumberjack.

[singular_me]

Yurs is marxist and has a bald head.

Mine has a beard like a lumberjack.

I know horn, too bad. I am an evil marxist, humanist because I dare question 4000 years of monetary history and draw the conclusion that slaves love money because they think they can buy freedom that way. The flaw is embedded in the premise. No money can buy freedom but the Mind.


Cyborgs - The Next Billion Dollar Industry
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?95242-Mom-Horrified-After-Finding-Drone-Watching-Her-Children-%97-In-Their-Backyard

[singular_me]

gov statistics for the climate change are FALSE but when it is about oceans they are CORRECT

why not after all...

fukushima maybe kinda overblown but there are many other issues such as fracking into the ocean beds (millions of gallons of highly toxic water are released daily), sand digging too into the ocean's bed (all of which destroy food chain from the bottom) to feed the world construction boom, plastic pollution, chemicals, disasters like rivers' massive pollution, etc ... all ends up into the sea....

I just wish articles were more extensive, presenting the whole picture, but they are hard to find... my documentary will mention them all. Based on what I know, yes, we are killing our oceans, no doubt about it... and all for the sake of profit$

oceans are as much poisoned as anything else, as much as our skies

your link doesnt work



This thread's title is demonstrable bullshit. Figures from the year before Fukushima.

https://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/pls/webpls/MF_MONTHLY_LANDINGS.RESULTS


Year : From: 2010 To: 2015
Month : YEAR BY MONTH
Species : ALL SPECIES COMBINED
State : Alaska


Year Month Metric Tons Pounds $
2010 NSP 1,971,989.9 4,347,448,947 1,584,006,016
2011 NSP 2,428,165.0 5,353,132,572 1,893,134,775
2012 NSP 2,424,098.6 5,344,167,743 1,692,173,685
2013 NSP 2,627,122.9 5,791,755,146 1,878,360,113
2014 NSP 2,572,501.7 5,671,337,205 1,712,192,541
2015 NSP 2,738,903.8 6,038,187,367 1,763,425,604
GRAND TOTALS: - 14,762,781.9 32,546,028,980 10,523,292,734

[Horn]

I know horn, too bad. I am an evil marxist, humanist because I dare question 4000 years of monetary history and draw the conclusion that slaves love money because they think they can buy freedom that way. The flaw is embedded in the premise. No money can buy freedom but the Mind.


Cyborgs - The Next Billion Dollar Industry
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?95242-Mom-Horrified-After-Finding-Drone-Watching-Her-Children-%97-In-Their-Backyard

You are replacing a lumberjack/money carrot with a fiat or no money marxist carrot.

There is no escaping the wanton slave carrot.

Faith is Silver, it killls masons, has freed men in the past, that it should again have its day is the only hope.

[singular_me]

You are replacing a lumberjack/money carrot with a fiat or no money marxist carrot.

lets set the record straight about marx

the more one knows the more one must C.A.R.E about others otherwise we'll end up blowing ourselves up, hence the need to embrace a NON competitive system. And money stands in the way. A money free system is thus the RATIONAL evidence of an high advanced society

tribes do not have that problem, but hey they will never cause any threats to earth either... so who is the smartest, the tribes or our so-called advanced society? we have followed this tribal model for centuries... and this paradigm is about to end with a LOUD bang

thats the problem with left brain thinking (scientism=logic/survial), it refutes the C.A.R.E aspect (nurturing right brain) which is the feminine principle. That is precisely why ((they)) are playing/manipulating/controlling genders by the same token.

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C.A.R.E is the curse of knowledge as it rests on the understanding of Cosmic Laws, that is why ((they)) twist and invert it.... using cosmic immutable laws created by God against us. Thats the definition of satanism. Enforcing collectivism which is the inverted version of C.A.R.E. Forcing people to do good generates a great evil. The only difference is enforced or self-realization. I have been investigating good and evil for years now and I can tell you that we are closed to being doomed.

[singular_me]

one of best videos ever exposing the darwin house of cards

darwinian theories = fiat biology = natural selection is an instant gratification mechanism = cannot look into the future = why we are destroying everything = refuting intelligent design, satanism = all glued by profits/money

Molecular Machines and the Death of Darwinism -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2ng2mvyes


even cells behave in a much more complex way than the theory of the fittest. And when a geneticist like bruce lipton explains this, he getS the new age tag... that is how bad it is.

there are plenty of scientists who have merged Intelligent Design and Sciences and their number is ever growing. And this conference calls for novelties based on Intelligent Design or it will be the the death of Intelligent Design in science itself... exactly what satan expects

[Ares]

because it is the premise of monetarism, which you defend... reward=salary-wealth=carrot and a stick

And where exactly have I defended it? You're inventing entire arguments now. Yet you're not delusional? Right.... I think you need to go back to school and study on reading comprehension and if you're this bad at reading a discussion we're all supposed to just take your word that you some how know what you are doing and or saying? Yeah, don't think so.


your insults are hurting your own argument, so hold on to your carrot and stick...

And I've asked for the incentive you think I am working towards. Yet received no answer but just the usual circular logic of you using the same argument with ZERO evidence. Typical of you really.


Yeah human beings haven't advanced at all during that time frame....Advanced...??? cattle for the top 1% is not a sign of advanced society, sorry. It may appear that we are advanced BUT the tools for enslavement have also improved exponentially.

Apparently you know nothing of human history. You think somehow people giving up their possessions and material gain will result in the 1% just collapsing?!? Really? How fucking stupid are you? They would take entire societies and enslave them at the barrel of a gun. They do it now, just not as overtly. If there was a movement to follow your fantasy they would legislate their "right" to enslave others for the "good" of society. You know next to NOTHING about how that would play out, and only rely on your typical brain dead lack of any sort of logic in your erratic and non-sensual thinking to somehow believe they would just go away.. When I need a break from reality, I'll come visit on fantasy island.


You have embraced scientism. Man is not an animal, because he can increase his awareness/consciousness (some slower than others), what animals cannot do. Every living organism has it own level of consciousness, (matter being conscious), and all levels complete one another. But on human conscious level, man has dominion over nature (obviously you do NOT grasp that and cannot wrap your mind around because it would shatter your train of thoughts), so it is his choice or NOT to behave like a cell or animal... but please be my guest and continue to believe you are a smarter ape.

No, I've embraced reality, you've embraced delusions. That is the crux of any argument you try (rather pathetically I might add) to present. I know there are limitations within this existence and know a good amount human behavior and human history to be able to accurately determine how things work. You on the other hand have a loose grasp of reality and believe for whatever reason that 7 Billion+ people are going to somehow magically have the same wants and goals in life, never even taking into consideration the gift that was bestowed upon humanity by our creator called FREE WILL. You have never answered a single question regarding how any society would function without a medium of exchange. You have never answered how a society would even feed itself without a medium of exchange. Who would do the work or extremely dangerous repair and raw mineral extraction work? Are they just going to volunteer because they love risking their life for the good of humanity? How fucking delusional are you?


your ghetto argument is a moot because blacks are as much manipulated as any other races. Not talking of remote african tribe here. We are all being set up.

But everyone is good, and they'll one day magically wake up and give up all material possessions and monetarism and be good stewards and working equal partners in your fantasy right? So in other words you aren't going for that walk around some of America's ghettos I take it?


4000 years (3500 of gold standard and 500 of fiat money) for CASHLESS UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME... and you call me delusional because I can draw a conclusion ??? ;D That money was never meant to free us... 4000 years tell us this.

You draw bullshit conclusions. How exactly can they provide for a "casheless universal basic income" when the system is already close to collapsing under it's own bureaucratic, over regulated weight? That's the problem, you cannot draw a conclusion. Hell you can't even think rationally and instead rely on fantasy.


enjoy your day, we cannot debate further obviously. dead end

As I said previously, delusions have no foundation in reality, so yes you are correct. Fantasy cannot coexist with reality.

[singular_me]

And where exactly have I defended it? You're inventing entire arguments now. Yet you're not delusional?.

;D... you said that because you do NOT (do not want to) grasp the premise of a money-free society, it is too much for your synapse, so you merely project.

Delusion? Bye and have a great day. It is impossible to agree when PREMISES are completely different. You also were at odds with IOWNme as far as I can recall.

In this thread, I am not addressing the premise you defend because it is not defensible, but putting forward another WAY of thinking and look at things.

Arguing with darwin = no exit

You cannot have free will if you do not know about Cosmic Immutable Laws, and you have no clue about them. People who bypass, ignore, refute them are condemned to behave like animals.

[Ares]

;D... you said that because you do NOT (do not want to) grasp the premise of a money-free society, it is too much for your synapse, so you merely project.

Stop putting words in my mouth lady. I said what you are ADVOCATING FOR IS IMPOSSIBLE on a civilization scale, and time will prove me more correct than you.


Delusion? Bye and have a great day. It is impossible to agree when PREMISES are completely different. You also were at odds with IOWNme as far as I can recall.

Nope, I got along fine with IOWNme. Like I told you previously you are delusional as what you are preaching has no basis or foundation in reality.


In this thread, I am not addressing the premise you defend because it is not defensible, but putting forward another WAY of thinking and look at things.

Imagine that, no answers AGAIN. Gee what a surprise. :rolleyes:


Arguing with darwin = no exit

Arguing with a person who lives in a fantasy world and imagines it as "forward thinking" LOL Yeah that's forward thinking alright. :rolleyes:


You cannot have free will if you do not know about Cosmic Immutable Laws, and you have no clue about them. People who bypass, ignore, refute them are condemned to behave like animals.

Everyone has free will already whether they recognize cosmic law or not. However not everyone wants to live with the repercussions or consequences of what their free will might bring.

Your bullshit fantasy doesn't even take it into account and are no different then an oppressive tyrant who would slaughter those who disagrees with them if they can't have their utopian society.

[Horn]

lets set the record straight about marx

the more one knows the more one must C.A.R.E about others otherwise we'll end up blowing ourselves up, hence the need to embrace a NON competitive system. And money stands in the way. A money free system is thus the RATIONAL evidence of an high advanced society

Without competition, man has no business on the planet or reason for existence by that matter, How that competition is cared for is his life work.

Not some 'game' to be won or lost. Invited with love or eliminated with despise are the only choice and Sometimes both, they make his fate.

Without either is only bloated waste, entropy then death or not of this world.

[singular_me]

without competition aka the carrot and the stick....... ahahahahaha... money makes one believe that one can bend Natural Laws (trick Nature's zero sum game), the boom and bust cycle are embedded in the premise. Fiat just make them a lot worse. Anyone comprehending this, will advocate for a money-free system It has absolutely nothing to do with collectivism but the objective realm, which is absolute.

Get ready for the very last boom now: CYBORG INC the next multi-billion dollar fantasy... a 4000 year fantasy... yet people always expect that things will be different. Fantasies have had different flavors over time since the ancient times but they all remained what they were. Fantasy

In the Objective Reality, God doesnt give a rat ass about wealth, race, money... but creativity and be co-creator with Him..... or against Him. This is the only free will we will ever have. We notice or not. Society's ills are caused by subjective inner fragmentation, itself rooted in centuries of "carrot and stick psychopathic propaganda".

Krishnamurti: “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

What you do not get is that our outcome today was already decided 4000 years ago (possibly much longer)... time to wake up and smell the coffee. It was a mascarade since day 1. ((They)) have had this plan all along. Nothing happened by accident. Earth isnt the ultimate reality.

was fun to talk to you guys
Enjoy your week

[Horn]

money makes one believe that one can bend Natural Laws (trick Nature's zero sum game), the boom and bust cycle are embedded in the premise.

Idol worshiping and blood sacrifices went the way of rounded stone wheels pre-A.D.

The only reason to resurrect them would be to make such statements as the above, though this also is NO reason to start making SQUARE wheels...

People should be permitted to make all the errors in life they see fit to, while hurting only themselves by idol worshiping.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4KU0bWrbc

[singular_me]

didnt have the courage to start a new thread... here is another case of speculation destroying humanity... please note that the so-called inventor was a smart ass IQ... ooh and the project to clean up the oceans sounds great but arent our soils and rivers enough polluted already... right, starting plastic landfills is another genius idea. LOL

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The first plastic based on a synthetic polymer was made from phenol and formaldehyde, with the first viable and cheap synthesis methods invented in 1907, by Leo Hendrik Baekeland, a Belgian-born American living in New York state. . (WIKIPEDIA)

An Ocean Clean Up Array to Remove 7,250,000 Tons of Plastic From the World’s Oceans
When we first covered Boyan Slat’s Ocean Cleanup Array it generated a phenomenal amount of excitement, as well as debate. The 19-year-old Dutch aerospace engineering student devised the array to be dispatched to the world’s garbage patches, with an initial estimate the the oceans could be cleaned up in around 5 years. With an anchored network of floating booms and processing platforms the array would span the radius of a garbage patch, acting as a giant funnel, separating plastic from plankton, and storing the refuse for recycling. Slat has since raised $80,000 to conduct a feasibility study into the Ocean Cleanup Array, and its potential for clearing the world’s oceans of trash.
https://inhabitat.com/7-incredible-inventions-by-teenage-wunderkinds/

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[Horn]

Italy is a market leader for use of recycled plastics in construction.

Reason, everything that were previously used to build there has been built with.

da Vinci #2 will probably showup soon to convert plastic to viable fuel and Rome conquer again.

[singular_me]

sure it is never too late for a good action... but the only real action is to make plastic recyclable before it enters the market in whatever form... instead of waiting for the crisis to reach a paramount because profits are too irresistible. Capitalism cannot fix itself because profit seeking comes always first... so markets are deceptive to start with.

what seemed to be working for centuries, stopped working with the industrialization era... humans failed to adapt. And now with technology (and even not talking of AI here) it is going to get worse since automation will be cheaper than human labor.

what has gotten into this mess is materialistic linear thinking, the paradigm has been stretched to no end... conclusion: materialism as a premise is worthless because we do not and cannot own Nature. We must cooperate with Her or we just end up causing artificial scarcity.



Italy is a market leader for use of recycled plastics in construction.

Reason, everything that were previously used to build there has been built with.

da Vinci #2 will probably showup soon to convert plastic to viable fuel and Rome conquer again.

[Horn]

Capitolism does not exist anywhere as does any "money".

If we are defining those terms.

You could state "International/National Central Banks are Capitalistic" but that would assume they are using real money, which they are not. When everyone is only working for to pay their lent.

Its commie fiat cash. Efectivo <

Silver is a cure all, it destroys Masons.