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Ares
26th May 2017, 06:00 AM
If Bitcoin blew you away when you first discovered it, and continues to do so to this day, Spiral Dynamics can help explain why. Bitcoin was an expression in the physical world of the newly emergent leading-edge integral level consciousness. It drew lessons from history and attempted to take the best of orange and green worldviews and incorporate them into an entirely new form of money. We see the clear presence of free markets and individualism, as well as the intentional separation of the system from dominator hierarchies (bureaucratic government meddling), which had corrupted all money before it. Its greenness is evident in the fact that by design no individual or company controls the network. Global, decentralized, revolutionary technology. This is perhaps the perfect example of integral consciousness operating on our planet at this time from an economics standpoint, and why it has captured the imagination of so many, while at the same time being violently rejected by so many others.

From February’s post: Why Increased Consciousness is the Only Path Forward (https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2017/02/10/why-increased-consciousness-is-the-only-path-forward/)

Although I had heard about it much earlier, I didn’t truly start investigating Bitcoin until the summer of 2012. The more I learned the more my mind was blown away, and for a while I couldn’t think about anything else. What truly solidified its real world usefulness to me was when I discovered it had been used by Wikileaks to accept payments in the midst of a financial services blockade against the renegade publisher. This realization inspired my first Bitcoin related post in August 2012 titled, Bitcoin: A Way to Fight Back Against the Financial Terrorists?

In that piece, I linked to a Forbes article that detailed the revolutionary events taking place. We learned:

Following a massive release of secret U.S. diplomatic cables in November 2010, donations to WikiLeaks were blocked by Bank of America, VISA, MasterCard, PayPal and Western Union on December 7th, 2010. Although private companies certainly have a right to select which transactions to process or not, the political environment produced less than a fair and objective decision. It was coordinated pressure exerted in a politicized climate by the U.S. government and it won’t be the last time that we see this type of pressure.



Fortunately, there is way around this and other financial blockades with a global payment method immune to political pressure and monetary censorship.



On its public bitcoin address, Wikileaks has taken in over $32,000 equivalent in more than 1,100 separate bitcoin donations throughout the blockade (1BTC = $10.00). But these amounts may be significantly higher, because it does not even include the individually-generated bitcoin addresses that WikiLeaks provides for donors upon request.

I knew right then and there that Bitcoin had the potential to change the world. My passion for Bitcoin was always framed by my ten years working in the financial industry. Many of us who lived through the 2008 crisis knew the financial system was dead. We knew it was corrupt, archaic and terminal, so many of us began bracing for what might come next. We did what we thought made sense at the time, which included buying precious metals like gold and silver given their historic track record of protecting wealth in periods of paradigm-shifting financial disruption. Others took more extreme measures to protect themselves from the end of the financial system, but a small group forward thinking geeks decided to do something much better. They decided to build an alternative.

Thus, Bitcoin was born and early adopters in the field of technology immediately began to build on top of it. As soon as I realized what was happening much of the “doom and gloom” that had enveloped my thinking began to lift. I now knew that even if the financial system crashed and burned tomorrow, the early stages of a new and far more honest financial system were already in place. The emergence of Bitcoin literally changed my life for the better as it allowed me to emerge from a cave of gloom and become optimistic about our long-term future. While I knew the path would be long and hard since the current entrenched interests wouldn’t give up without a fight, I could see a very bright light at the end of the tunnel, and the continued development in this space has been extraordinary to watch ever since.

The global financial system as it stands completely archaic and corrupt. It enriches the wrong types of people for the wrong sort of behavior, and is entirely extractive and parasitic by design. If there’s sector in the economy that needs a total redesign and reboot for the sake of humanity, it’s the financial system.

Being involved in the crypto world for the past five years has been a breath of fresh air and a shot of adrenaline to my system. Traditional markets are a rigged snooze-fest by comparison, grotesque financial Potemkin villages designed to make overly indebted, predatory economies look good. What I find so fascinating about the current environment is that many of the dreams we all read about in the very early days of Bitcoin are starting to be implemented and designed, slowly but surely. For those of you who still have a difficult time conceptualizing exactly what’s happening in the space, I think the following tweet may help.

If you think of the crypto coin world as the beginning of an entirely new financial system architecture it all makes a lot more sense.

— Michael Krieger (@LibertyBlitz) May 24, 2017

On that note, I want to talk about more than just Bitcoin, which I see as the reserve currency of the crypto world. Beyond Bitcoin, a lot of the buzz in the space right now revolves around a burgeoning phenomenon known as ICOs, or Initial Coin Offerings. So what are ICOs?

Yesterday, TechCrunch published an interesting piece on the topic. Here are a few keys points:

Because this editor was still confused (I’m not proud), I talked yesterday with Stan Miroshnik, a UC Berkeley grad with an MBA from MIT who today runs L.A.-based Argon Group, one of the first digital finance-focused investment banks. Miroshnik nicely answered an array of questions about ICOs, including how these things get staged, how companies establish a value for their offerings, and more. If you’re still trying to get a handle of this latest investing trend, too, read on.



TC: ICOs are everywhere suddenly. When was the first ICO staged?



SM: You have to go back to around 2013, when Mastercoin, a protocol on top the bitcoin blockchain, raised $500,000. Then you had a number of other milestone token sales, such as Ethereum in 2014, then the DAO, or Decentralized Autonomous Organization, which was built on the Ethereum blockchain and that stored and transmitted Ether and Ethereum-based assets and that raised the equivalent of $150 million last year.



Momentum began to build after that, as a smaller group of [these offerings] grew in size, and by last fall, some companies were raising millions of dollars in minutes. That really kind of made people stand up and wonder if this is a new funding mechanism.

TC: How many ICOs have there been to date?



SM: There were 64 last year that collectively raised $103 million, excluding the DAO. So far this year, we’ve seen 25 offerings raise a bit more than $163 million, and we’re on track to see more than $210 million raised by the end of June.



TC: So how do these ICOs work, practically speaking?



SM: There’s a cadence to these things. You do the prep-work and get your project to a natural technical milestone. Then you pre-announce when you’re planning to have a token sale, describing some of the terms, and telling a story of the project and its goals. You publish a white paper and disclosure and give people a chance to read it and comment. There are also usually threads that develop on Reddit, Bitcointalk, Slack, Telegram and elsewhere, where people actively debate the merits of the product. Then, on the landing page on the aforementioned date, there’s typically a tool that enables purchasers to acquire the tokens in exchange for bitcoin or ether.



TC: Is there a concern that U.S. regulators will crack down on these ICOs?



SM: Lawyers are relying on case law that defines what a security is. The most well-known case is the “Howey Test,” created by the Supreme Court for determining whether certain transactions qualify as investment contracts. If they do, then those transactions are considered securities and are subject to certain disclosure and registration requirements. When tokens are structured basically as the sale of a service or product, they’re designed to make sure the various prongs of the test are not triggered.



TC: What types of companies are primarily using ICOs?



SM: It’s still a financing mechanism that’s very organic to the blockchain community.



It all started with protocols like Ethereum raising funding through this mechanism, and it has stayed close to related projects, like the distributed storage company Storj and Civic, a company that provides identify through the blockchain and is announcing its token sale this Thursday. A lot of these founders and token buyers are part of bitcoin forums and Reddit, and that’s why [certain companies] are able to raise these large sums fairly quickly; they’re reaching out to thought leaders and getting their support and generating buzz about their projects. It’s basically the open source community, now with an open-source funding mechanism.



TC: What happens when people want to sell the tokens they’ve bought?



SM: Well, first, you can use them in a company’s ecosystem. With Storj, maybe you buy storage. You can also accumulate these tokens over time, as a bet that with more enterprise demand for storage capacity, the coins will become more valuable, after which you can sell your tokens to someone else who needs to purchase storage space.

There are also a number of cryptocurrency exchanges where these tokens trade. In the case of Storj, you can sell or buy on Poloniex or Bittrex.



TC: Should VCs be nervous about ICOs? You mention Civic, which is staging an ICO. Civic has also raised some venture capital previously. But plenty of other companies seem to be skipping the VC part.



SM: To some degree they should, but we’ve also talked with a lot of very smart VCs who are looking at this space, including August Capital, Tim and Adam Draper, Blockchain Capital. Many are doing the work to understand how to be involved and active in the space and the fundamental value of these protocols. Union Square Ventures has said it now has a mandate from its LPs to hold these assets.



For companies that raise funds through a token sale and that have had traditional angel or venture rounds previously, for example, their equity investors get to skip one or two rounds of dilution, which is great; it means their returns are hyper-levered.

There are two points I want to emphasize from the above. First, just how early we are in the development of this area. The numbers are absolutely tiny at this point despite all the hype. Recall that in 2017, we’ve seen 25 offerings raise a bit more than $163 million. That’s an infinitesimally small number in the scheme of things, thus room for growth is massive. That being said, people considering getting involved in this space as a buyer of ICOs need to be extraordinarily careful.

Investing in general is risky and challenging, but putting money into an ICO adds several other layers of complexity and risk. First, as noted above these things are not equity investments since they aren’t allowed to be under current regulations. Therefore, you’re not simply investing in a startup, which is always extremely risky, but you’re making a bet that the token itself is useful and will accrue in value over time. Therefore, not only do you need to be right about the success of the business or product itself, but the token also must have a real value-creating purpose to succeed in the long-run. Many people will not understand this and think they are buying into the equity of the underlying businesses, which sets up a perfect environment for fraudsters. You also need to bear in minds there’s a ton of Bitcoin liquidity that is flooding around the space given the massive run its had. Most early Bitcoin adopters and investors are very passionate and dedicated to this space. They don’t want to sell coin for dollars, but want to put it in new projects to keep the broader ecosystem growing. I think this is a fantastic thing, but it also means there’s a lot of crypto currency sloshing around trying to find a home.

Despite the risks, I think the emergence of the burgeoning token market is a game-changing and extraordinarily empowering development. The only thing preventing the crypto-coin world from rapidly displacing the middlemen and bureaucrats of the traditional financial system are the barriers around the traditional financial world. While we’d like to think these barriers are there to protect the little people, we all know that the SEC and other such regulatory bodies largely exist to protect the rich and powerful and secure their moat.

We saw this under Obama’s Mary Jo White, and we will surely see it under Trump’s pick Jay Clayton, who seems to have all sorts of conflicts, including a wife who works at Goldman Sachs. The SEC doesn’t protect the people, but as long as it pretends to, it can continue to function as a gatekeeper for financial oligarchs and slow down the pace of displacement of the dying financial system with the new parallel one currently being created.

All of that is fine I suppose, and innovation in the crypto world will continue until one day we will actually see equity offerings in startups to regular people as opposed to just allocations to the wealthiest clients of brokerage firms. The innovation in this space has the potential to flatten the world of investing in a meaningful and powerful way, starting today with tokens, but ultimately in many other ways as well. It’s gonna take time, but it’ll happen.

At this point, I just want to briefly address the common retort that “governments will never let this happen,” which I get all the time. Here’s what I had to say about it yesterday on Twitter, and I don’t really have much to say beyond this.

https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Screen-Shot-2017-05-25-at-12.09.17-PM-1024x395.jpg

To conclude, I’d like to dedicate this post to all the brilliant geeks and the dynamic entrepreneurs pushing hard every day to realize this incredible dream of a decentralized future. A future that breaks down barriers, removes middlemen and empowers humanity to take its next evolutionary leap forward. You are the ones creating this brand new world brimming with potential and optimism, and I want to thank for all you have done and continue to do.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-25/new-financial-system-being-born

crimethink
26th May 2017, 03:31 PM
Bitcoin = fiat currency of the worst kind. Can't even burn it for heat.

Who created it? We don't really know. It sure would be convenient if the US "intelligence community" created it.

If it truly becomes a problem, it will be brought into the Kosher fold. But, more than likely, it will remain a fringe tool, for outlaws (said without moral judgment). And if my suspicion is correct, occasionally, the bigger boys among the outlaws will be "taken out."

singular_me
26th May 2017, 04:00 PM
More over, bitcoin exuberance is so deja-vu. ((they)) are on it already.


Why Increased Consciousness is the Only Path Forward... Michael Krieger didnt get it yet: impossible with money as it is a left brained device, keeping people in absolute survival. At best it will teach us to let it go.

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There has been a huge rise in the number of UK drug users using the dark internet to buy illegal substances, a new survey has revealed.

Purchases are made using the virtual currency Bitcoin, which allows customers and sellers to remain anonymous.’
Read More: Proportion of UK drug users using dark net to buy drugs ‘doubles in three years’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/drugs-dark-web-uk-rise-users-buying-online-global-drug-survey-mdma-a7756161.html

Horn
26th May 2017, 04:06 PM
More over, bitcoin exuberance is so deja-vu. ((they)) are on it already.

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There has been a huge rise in the number of UK drug users using the dark internet to buy illegal substances, a new survey has revealed.

Purchases are made using the virtual currency Bitcoin, which allows customers and sellers to remain anonymous.’
Read More: Proportion of UK drug users using dark net to buy drugs ‘doubles in three years’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/drugs-dark-web-uk-rise-users-buying-online-global-drug-survey-mdma-a7756161.html

Its all peaches and cream, until it aint.

And Bitcoinaint alot.

Ares
26th May 2017, 04:08 PM
Bitcoin = fiat currency of the worst kind. Can't even burn it for heat.

Who created it? We don't really know. It sure would be convenient if the US "intelligence community" created it.

If it truly becomes a problem, it will be brought into the Kosher fold. But, more than likely, it will remain a fringe tool, for outlaws (said without moral judgment). And if my suspicion is correct, occasionally, the bigger boys among the outlaws will be "taken out."

Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin. Who he or they is has been subject of debate since he or they released Bitcoin a number of years ago. The genius of the bitcoin creation was the blockchain. Totally decentralized a system for secure transactions whether monetary or contracts.

Japan just legalized it as a form of currency so that was a pretty big step. South Korea has given a nod to it as well. I think the Jew monetary system doesn't think much of bitcoin or any other crytpocurrency for that matter at the moment. A market cap in the billions is a drop in the bucket when they are playing with 100s of trillions.

It is however a distruptive technology, most people still have a hard time grasping that technology like this cannot be centralized. Centralized players will no doubt try to mimic the technology, only time will tell if they are successful or not.

It's definitely interesting living during this time and watching the free market search for alternatives to the vast centralization of all aspects of modern life.

vacuum
26th May 2017, 04:24 PM
There are many big things with cryptocurrencies.

One is that it can be created or issued by anybody. A corporation could issue its own cryptocurrency instead of stock. I believe some startups are doing this. You buy their cryptocurrency so they get cash, then when their product is ready, they accept their own currency as payment for it.

The other thing is that these currencies take away control of the flow of capital from banks and governments. Capital controls, taxes, social security numbers, waiting periods, hours of operations, holidays, judgements, leavies, all that shit is gone.

One of the big functions of government is providing a safe environment for commerce to occur, and they take their taxes as a fee for that. However, if they no longer facilitate the currency side of things, that takes a huge chunk of their value (and control) away from them.

old steel
26th May 2017, 04:32 PM
Rob Kirby says the dramatic rise of cryptocurrencies is a sign that people around the world are rejecting the petro dollar old system etc.

Says cryptocurrencies are going to be the catalyst for a dramatic rise in PM's.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Ny4P3jQqs

cheka.
26th May 2017, 04:56 PM
central banks are targeting cryptos....for adoption or destruction....something bad for j6p is the end result

madfranks
26th May 2017, 05:05 PM
Bitcoin = fiat currency of the worst kind.

Hmm, I disagree with you here. Central bank fiat currency is much worse than bitcoin. Also, the IRS can't freeze and/or confiscate your bitcoins, but they sure as hell can freeze and confiscate your government regulated bank account.

madfranks
26th May 2017, 05:08 PM
It is however a distruptive technology, most people still have a hard time grasping that technology like this cannot be centralized. Centralized players will no doubt try to mimic the technology, only time will tell if they are successful or not.

I consider Ethereum to be one of these. When a clever individual found a method to exploit a portion of one of their "code is law" contracts and withdrew the funds, the centralized team controlling Ether forced a hard-fork of the entire blockchain to recover the money, thereby demonstrating that while they like the perception of decentralized immutable currency, at heart they are for centralized control. That's why there are two Ethers, the "legitimate" ether post hard-fork, and the original chain, now dubbed "Ethereum Classic." LOL

Ares
26th May 2017, 05:15 PM
I consider Ethereum to be one of these. When a clever individual found a method to exploit a portion of one of their "code is law" contracts and withdrew the funds, the centralized team controlling Ether forced a hard-fork of the entire blockchain to recover the money, thereby demonstrating that while they like the perception of decentralized immutable currency, at heart they are for centralized control. That's why there are two Ethers, the "legitimate" ether post hard-fork, and the original chain, now dubbed "Ethereum Classic." LOL

Yeah, it was that incident that lead me to not invest in ether. I had about 100 Ethers that I mined before the hard fork. After that I cashed out, and didn't really look back at Ethereum.

EE_
26th May 2017, 05:18 PM
Hmm, I disagree with you here. Central bank fiat currency is much worse than bitcoin. Also, the IRS can't freeze and/or confiscate your bitcoins, but they sure as hell can freeze and confiscate your government regulated bank account.

Digital currencies are making central banks and the global elite very happy. They are one step closer to a cashless society and a global digital currency. Win, win!
I liked Ethereum when I first saw the founders promote it on a business channel about 6 months ago, it was $.63 at the time. Had I invested $650 in it, I would have been calling APMEX last week to set up a delivery of a $200,000 case of gold eagles.

Horn
26th May 2017, 05:25 PM
Guess its just me, but i find most any or all financial systems a complete bore.

Its like hoopla for quid pro quo ferry fagots.

Ares
26th May 2017, 05:53 PM
Digital currencies are making central banks and the global elite very happy. They are one step closer to a cashless society and a global digital currency. Win, win!
I liked Ethereum when I first saw the founders promote it on a business channel about 6 months ago, it was $.63 at the time. Had I invested $650 in it, I would have been calling APMEX last week to set up a delivery of a $200,000 case of gold eagles.

The world governments already have that. The cash that you and I handle makes up less than 1% of currency.

On the other side of the token, how does it make central banks happy having a competitor?

madfranks
26th May 2017, 09:11 PM
I liked Ethereum ... it was $.63 at the time. Had I invested $650 in it, I would have been calling APMEX last week to set up a delivery of a $200,000 case of gold eagles.
Yeah, too bad you didn't do that.

Joshua01
26th May 2017, 09:37 PM
Are you sure BTC is a competitor of the central banks? I'm not!
The world governments already have that. The cash that you and I handle makes up less than 1% of currency.

On the other side of the token, how does it make central banks happy having a competitor?

Ares
26th May 2017, 10:04 PM
Are you sure BTC is a competitor of the central banks? I'm not!

Read through it's history, read some of Satoshi's first posts discussing it. You can see it form organically during their discussions.

So yes I believe it was created as a disruptive technology as well as a replacement. Whether that happens has yet to be determined.

Here is his first post in case you were curious.

http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?xg_source=activity

crimethink
27th May 2017, 12:20 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin. Who he or they is has been subject of debate since he or they released Bitcoin a number of years ago.


Yes, I know the legend.




The genius of the bitcoin creation was the blockchain. Totally decentralized a system for secure transactions whether monetary or contracts.


Confidence in Bitcoin requires faith in statistics, which I do not have. Probabilities, not certainties. What flaws are yet to be discovered in this system?




Japan just legalized it as a form of currency so that was a pretty big step. South Korea has given a nod to it as well. I think the Jew monetary system doesn't think much of bitcoin or any other crytpocurrency for that matter at the moment. A market cap in the billions is a drop in the bucket when they are playing with 100s of trillions.

At this point, Bitcoin remains a fringe technology. The East Asians are fascinated by such things as this, so their actions are not surprising. If Bitcoin is not compromised, contrary to what must be the presumption, and, it becomes a "problem," rest assured the "world community" will compel Japan and Korea to reverse their decisions.




It's definitely interesting living during this time and watching the free market search for alternatives to the vast centralization of all aspects of modern life.

Gold and silver have been available to everyone since the metals age began. But people choose not to use them. People want "convenience" and "privacy" and "security." Pick any two for your money. Bitcoin users want all three, and I simply do not believe that this will turn out true for the long term.

singular_me
27th May 2017, 03:15 AM
faith in value.... an oxymoron

Totally decentralized a system for secure transactions whether monetary or contracts but LEGALIZED by japan, a state monopoly.... so lets expect more of the same. ((They)) will take it away, in due time.

EE_
27th May 2017, 05:16 AM
The world governments already have that. The cash that you and I handle makes up less than 1% of currency.

On the other side of the token, how does it make central banks happy having a competitor?

I don't believe these DC are a competitor, digital transactions are coming at us from all sides, setting us up for a 100% cashless society controlled by a single state, NWO.

Joshua01
27th May 2017, 08:21 AM
Not yet. I believe the central banks are already involved in setting people up with the crypto so they can take it down
Hmm, I disagree with you here. Central bank fiat currency is much worse than bitcoin. Also, the IRS can't freeze and/or confiscate your bitcoins, but they sure as hell can freeze and confiscate your government regulated bank account.

Ares
27th May 2017, 11:11 AM
Yes, I know the legend.




Confidence in Bitcoin requires faith in statistics, which I do not have. Probabilities, not certainties. What flaws are yet to be discovered in this system?

There have been multiple flaws, but most have been addressed. The other flaw is political at the moment. Since the blockchain is not centralized there has to be a consensus on how to move forward (from block size, to soft or hard forks, lightening network, etc.) which is how money is supposed to work when it's controlled by the people.




At this point, Bitcoin remains a fringe technology. The East Asians are fascinated by such things as this, so their actions are not surprising. If Bitcoin is not compromised, contrary to what must be the presumption, and, it becomes a "problem," rest assured the "world community" will compel Japan and Korea to reverse their decisions.

Maybe, maybe not. Europe and America are not in a position to demand anything from anyone at the moment. They are losing influence and dying by a self-inflicted multi-cultural society degenerative wound. So time will tell.




Gold and silver have been available to everyone since the metals age began. But people choose not to use them. People want "convenience" and "privacy" and "security." Pick any two for your money. Bitcoin users want all three, and I simply do not believe that this will turn out true for the long term.

Gold and Silver are 100% controlled by (((them))) and have been for 500+ years. There was a small era during Americas birth when the control wasn't centralized but they made sure to that.

Thats the beauty of Bitcoin and the other crypto currencies. No one is forcing you or anyone to use them. The miners CHOOSE to mine those coins, the people paying and receiving those coins CHOOSE to use them..

Without miners, or people using said coins the coin dies. Simple as that. So the choice with decentralized currency is up to you, not a government.

Ares
27th May 2017, 11:15 AM
faith in value.... an oxymoron

Totally decentralized a system for secure transactions whether monetary or contracts but LEGALIZED by japan, a state monopoly.... so lets expect more of the same. ((They)) will take it away, in due time.

More batshit lunacy from you. The grown ups are talking. Go back to believing that people will risk their lives for nothing.

Are you really that fucking deluded that you think people would actively put themselves at risk without compensation? You have yet to explain how any society like that would even function.

Ares
27th May 2017, 11:17 AM
I don't believe these DC are a competitor, digital transactions are coming at us from all sides, setting us up for a 100% cashless society controlled by a single state, NWO.

Then explain Zerocoin. I'll wait...

It's fine to have concerns. But irrational fear without logic is POINTLESS and serves no one.

Ares
27th May 2017, 11:20 AM
Not yet. I believe the central banks are already involved in setting people up with the crypto so they can take it down

Said by someone who doesn't understand the technology.

I'll ask you like I've ask anyone who has said similar things. How do you turn off the switch to DECENTRALIZED technology such as this? Do you even know how the blockchain works?

This is the equivalent to the Guttenberg press for money. That is how disruptive this technology is.

Dogman
27th May 2017, 11:58 AM
All of this is to have the ability to hold or move cash with out any gov involvement, yes you can buy into it, then the question is where the cash you bought into the system goes? Most if all is done by mining, which I still see as the same as flat bankers creating cash, but the crux is bitcoins are dam near untraceable in the want of any gov control and tax.

But maybe I am very wrong, but I see this as the same as the flat system, but harder to trace which = can mean anything, but mostly for they that have a feer.

Can a multi millionaire transfer his wealth into bitcoins? Many offshore banks were created to help the rich hide what they have from the tax man.

If that wealth can be transferred, where does the wealth go in the process?

If I recall there was a cap on the number of bit coins that could be created?

All depends on that the world wide web will be around and open, vpn's that many use along with the dark web which anyone that thinks of it can be blocked and or filtered. Any electronic traffic can be filtered out of any system, encryption traffic included,

The web is maturing, still in its growing stage, and they isp types can and do monitor their fiber/wires and have the capability to put a halt to anything they deem or are required by the powers that be.

Major crackdowns maybe not yet, but I bet someday there will be one. Just like most country's are going after offshore banks. Which that worth is only electronic in nature. But those currency's have nations backing that or their electronic currency



Ponce had it right !

But for now , nice playground, like the stock market,

ShortJohnSilver
30th May 2017, 01:14 AM
You should look at the Gesellian monetary experiment at Worgl, in Austria - it's been talked about before on this board and the original GIM etc.

What happened? Well the central bank didn't do anything for a long time, the Worgl experiment and other such monetary tests were ongoing - then all of a sudden the central bank clamped down and none of the governments could do anything about it.

Right now, we have that loose period, like with Worgl, where the central bank knows about it, but with a total market cap of all crypto-currencies at about $40 Bln USD, it is not enough to worry about - Yellen can handle that in a morning's work.

If it grows, it is likely to be clamped down upon - but, how can that be done without crippling the Internet? Not sure.

madfranks
30th May 2017, 11:09 AM
You should look at the Gesellian monetary experiment at Worgl, in Austria - it's been talked about before on this board and the original GIM etc.

What happened? Well the central bank didn't do anything for a long time, the Worgl experiment and other such monetary tests were ongoing - then all of a sudden the central bank clamped down and none of the governments could do anything about it.

Right now, we have that loose period, like with Worgl, where the central bank knows about it, but with a total market cap of all crypto-currencies at about $40 Bln USD, it is not enough to worry about - Yellen can handle that in a morning's work.

If it grows, it is likely to be clamped down upon - but, how can that be done without crippling the Internet? Not sure.

One significant difference is, the Worgl example was contained within one government area. Crypto coins are a worldwide phenomenon, and no single government can shut it down. Even if the US banned bitcoin and other cryptos outright, they would still exist everywhere else in the world. Unless all governments and jurisdictions around the world clamped down at the same time, it's not going away.

singular_me
30th May 2017, 07:59 PM
Gesellian theory cannot work on a large scale because it penalizes "money sitting" on a bank account with depreciation if I recall well... money must circulate and the top players can funnel money between themselves. Monopoly formation is impossible to prevent as long as monetarism exists