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Cebu_4_2
31st July 2017, 01:28 PM
Trump To Congress And Insurance Companies: Time For You To Pay

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/31/trump-finds-obamacare-repeal-leverage-congress-insurance-benefit.html

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ByBen Shapiro (http://www.dailywire.com/authors/ben-shapiro) @benshapiro (https://twitter.com/benshapiro)

July 31, 2017
On Monday morning, President Trump laid out his new strategy for moving toward repeal and replacement of Obamacare: undercutting it. He explained his plan in a tweet:
If ObamaCare is hurting people, & it is, why shouldn't it hurt the insurance companies & why should Congress not be paying what public pays?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891996053611917312)
Now, forcing Congress to purchase insurance through the Obamacare exchanges isn’t a bad idea – it at least forces our representatives to live with the system they’ve created. But the notion that the president should aim at “hurting the insurance companies” is foolish: there is no way to “hurt” the insurance companies without also hurting those they provide insurance. The only factor keeping insurance prices within reason is the subsidies provided by the government; thanks to Obamacare’s regulations, the costs for coverage have skyrocketed, which is why so many insurance companies have dropped out of the Obamacare exchanges altogether even with the subsidies.
If Trump’s plan is to allow Obamacare to collapse by removing its subsidies, he shouldn’t be spilling that publicly. That’s just rotten politics. When President Obama attempted to pressure Congress into ending the government shutdown in 2013, he closed open air war memorials and national parks – superfluous measures designed to increase the pain of the American people. But he didn’t announce that’s what he was doing. He simply did it, and let Americans believe that it wasn’t motivated animus for them, it was the natural result of a government shutdown.
That’s what Trump should be doing, because that’s also true. He should be stating that Obamacare subsidies are illegal, and that no matter what the Supreme Court states, Obamacare law never allowed the executive branch to unilaterally rewrite law. He should then use the bully pulpit to push for removal of regulations on the Obamacare markets, and if he truly wants to push hard, force Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to do away with the filibuster in order to pare back Obamacare regulations.
Instead, Trump is actually making an argument in favor of single-payer healthcare. If insurance companies are the bad guys, as Trump seems to be suggesting, then why not simply nationalize the process? If they’re squirreling away cash, why not regulate them even more heavily? This is the problem with Trump’s politics generally: he wants to achieve short-term ends with the handiest tool available, which often happens to be rhetoric that forwards the Left’s agenda. Then, even if he doesn’t achieve those ends, the Leftist argument has been forwarded.
Beyond that, Trump’s now-obvious intention to “hurt” the insurance companies could bear nasty electoral fruit, given that he is actually moving to own Obamacare premium increases – the Left will blame Trump for depriving insurance companies of subsidies.
So, this is bad strategy. By all means, Trump should move to place responsibility with states to subsidize their insurance schemes if they seek to do so. But he should be doing so quietly and on the basis of the law, not a self-stated fit of pique at insurance companies.

Horn
31st July 2017, 01:46 PM
Wonder if he means that health insurance should be illegal.

Like crack.

Probably not, i'm not sure Trump even knows what he means, the mouth just runs like a spigot to the sewer.

Joshua01
31st July 2017, 02:03 PM
Did ya ever think that healthcare insurance wouldn't be such a big deal if healthcare didn't cost a kings ransom? Are we not focusing on the symptom and ignoring the cause?
Wonder if he means that health insurance should be illegal.

Like crack.

Probably not, i'm not sure Trump even knows what he means, the mouth just runs like a spigot to the sewer.

jimswift
1st August 2017, 05:22 AM
Did ya ever think that healthcare insurance wouldn't be such a big deal if healthcare didn't cost a kings ransom? Are we not focusing on the symptom and ignoring the cause?

Which raises the question of the language used.

Should it not be called medical insurance? You need insurance to cover an unforeseen emergency medical procedure.

Does one really NEED an insurance policy to talk to a doctor about how your feeling or to get checked out for ailments?

Healthcare is jewjitsu also known as a racket.

Neuro
1st August 2017, 12:12 PM
Did ya ever think that healthcare insurance wouldn't be such a big deal if healthcare didn't cost a kings ransom? Are we not focusing on the symptom and ignoring the cause?

And the main reason why healthcare cost so much is because of insurance coverage, and political interfence what that coverage should include. Before intrusion of these third party payee systems in people's life (60's and before) medical care was reasonably priced, and people who are responsible to pay for their own sickness, would more likely be inclined to live healthier, make better choices in terms of preventative measures.

crimethink
1st August 2017, 12:27 PM
And the main reason why healthcare cost so much is because of insurance coverage, and political interfence what that coverage should include. Before intrusion of these third party payee systems in people's life (60's and before) medical care was reasonably priced, and people who are responsible to pay for their own sickness, would more likely be inclined to live healthier, make better choices in terms of preventative measures.

The number one reason that healthcare costs so much is due to greed.

The same reason that millions have been poisoned by corporations, leading to chronic and permanent illnesses.

Neuro
1st August 2017, 05:14 PM
The number one reason that healthcare costs so much is due to greed.

The same reason that millions have been poisoned by corporations, leading to chronic and permanent illnesses.

Of course and insurance is a large part of it. Gone are the days when you walked to the doctors office and it costed a silver dollar. Without insurance covering the lions share of the cost, not many would ever go to the hospital corporations, because they wouldn't think it is worth it, but with insurance which costs several thousands a year, they demand the most expensive of treatments (usually not the best from a clinical point of view), because they have payed for it. The hospital has to set up an administration to deal with the insurance claim, just like the insurance corporation. They have to have legal teams on both sides for disagreement of the claims, and then it is management and their bonuses, and stockholders and their dividends. To motivate the high costs of all this fat, they need to dazzle the public with shiny new hospitals, high tech equipment, extraordinarily expensive treatments (like transplant surgeries). They tell people you only need to pay a few thousand dollars a year and your loved ones will have access to all this marvelous medical magic, that will save their lives if needed.

It is of course all bullshit. There is absolutely no reason why if you have fractured a leg that the doctors visit including x-ray, setting of the fracture, a cast, a night at the hospital and some anti-inflammatory medications would cost more than $300, instead the cost is up towards $10,000, not only to cover the costs of administration and greed, but they run every test in the book even though in most cases with a few simple clinical tests alternative explanations for the patients problem can be excluded.

Cebu_4_2
1st August 2017, 05:32 PM
Of course and insurance is a large part of it. Gone are the days when you walked to the doctors office and it costed a silver dollar. Without insurance covering the lions share of the cost, not many would ever go to the hospital corporations, because they wouldn't think it is worth it, but with insurance which costs several thousands a year, they demand the most expensive of treatments (usually not the best from a clinical point of view), because they have payed for it. The hospital has to set up an administration to deal with the insurance claim, just like the insurance corporation. They have to have legal teams on both sides for disagreement of the claims, and then it is management and their bonuses, and stockholders and their dividends. To motivate the high costs of all this fat, they need to dazzle the public with shiny new hospitals, high tech equipment, extraordinarily expensive treatments (like transplant surgeries). They tell people you only need to pay a few thousand dollars a year and your loved ones will have access to all this marvelous medical magic, that will save their lives if needed.

It is of course all bullshit. There is absolutely no reason why if you have fractured a leg that the doctors visit including x-ray, setting of the fracture, a cast, a night at the hospital and some anti-inflammatory medications would cost more than $300, instead the cost is up towards $10,000, not only to cover the costs of administration and greed, but they run every test in the book even though in most cases with a few simple clinical tests alternative explanations for the patients problem can be excluded.

Just a corporate scam. You need it till you need it and then it don't cover shit under the soetoro plan. The whole system is flawed with greed and old technology. What they say is new technology is decades old and invasive. Take a simple catscam, hundred and hundreds of x-rays. How is this good for a simple broken arm or rib.

Neuro
1st August 2017, 06:29 PM
Just a corporate scam. You need it till you need it and then it don't cover shit under the soetoro plan. The whole system is flawed with greed and old technology. What they say is new technology is decades old and invasive. Take a simple catscam, hundred and hundreds of x-rays. How is this good for a simple broken arm or rib.

Exactly, it isn't, it is only taken to increase revenue, it doesn't add anything to the diagnosis, only more radiation to the patient.