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Cebu_4_2
6th August 2017, 01:08 PM
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cheka.
6th August 2017, 03:48 PM
what was the cause?

vacuum
6th August 2017, 03:59 PM
Ohio State Fair ride accident caused by 'excessive corrosion,' manufacturer says
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3389175.1502058106%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/state-fair-ride-malfunction.jpg Authorities investigate the Fire Ball amusement ride after the ride malfunctioned injuring several people at the Ohio State Fair. (Jim Woods/AP)
BY Elizabeth Elizalde (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Elizabeth-Elizalde)
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Sunday, August 6, 2017, 6:23 PM
'Excessive corrosion' caused the Ohio State Fair ride to malfunctioned (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-state-fair-crash-survivor-calls-fatal-incident-nightmare-article-1.3367703) in July, killing one person and injuring seven others, the ride's manufacturer said Sunday.
KMG International said in a statement that officials had traveled to the scene where they reviewed video of the July 26 accident in Columbus and conducted an inspection of the 18-year Fireball ride.
“It was determined that excessive corrosion on the interior of the gondola support beam dangerously reduced the beam’s wall thickness over the years,” the manufacturer said in the statement. “This finally led to the catastrophic failure of the ride during operation.”
KMG added that it was working with safety experts to come up with an “inspection protocol” to “allow properly inspected and maintained rides to safely reopen.”
The rides at the fair were closed after the incident but later reopened. The fair’s last day was Sunday.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3389178.1502058108%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/ride7n-1-web.jpg Tyler Jarrell, 18, was killed when the car of an amusement park ride detached and flew through the air at the Ohio State Fair on July 26. (via Facebook)
Tyler Jarrell, an 18-year-old Marine, was killed in the accident. His family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit.
Four of the victims — including Jarrell’s girlfriend and an 18-year-old woman who is in a coma — remained hospitalized last week.
With News Wire Services

crimethink
6th August 2017, 05:37 PM
what was the cause?

Chinese parts.

Incompetent staff.

Cheap-ass ride owner.

Cebu_4_2
6th August 2017, 06:53 PM
Chinese parts.

Incompetent staff.

Cheap-ass ride owner.Read the article asshat, they state the ride was 15 years in service and corrosion was the problem. Figuring this is a traveling circus more emphasis could have been done for many years of inspections. It's all payoffs and lack of real inspection.

I will never ride anything on a traveling circus. Who works at them things anyways?

Jews and the Circus: 7 Fascinating Facts
Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus has announced it will close in May 2017, after 146 years of operation. The owners, Feld Entertainment, a family firm, disclosed that declining ticket sales and high operating costs had made the circus unsustainable, particularly after they phased out the use of elephants because of concerns about animal welfare, in 2016.
Many fans were surprised to learn that Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus has been owned by a Jewish family for nearly 50 years, longer than it was ever owned by the Ringling brothers, or by Barnum and Bailey themselves. Bought in 1967 by Irvin Feld, the father of current CEO Kenneth Feld, Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus has been a family affair, with Kenneth’s three daughters, Nicole, Alana and Juliette, serving as executive vice presidents.

http://media.aish.com/images/Jews%20and%20the%20Circus_htm_59209510c2771690.jpg Kenneth Feld, CEO of Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus Jews have a long history in circus extravaganzas. Here are six other little known facts about Jews and the Circus.
Bloody Origins “Circus” means circle in Latin, and some elements of modern-day circuses can be traced back to the spectacles held in huge, circle-shaped amphitheaters throughout the Roman Empire, such as chariot races, mock battles, and gladiatorial combat. The Circus Maximus, in Rome, held spectacles for over 1,000 years.
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The Jewish historian Josephus, who was captured after the Jewish revolts against Rome in the 1st Century CE and brought to Rome, wrote in his book The Jewish War that after crushing the Jewish rebellions in Israel, Roman captors sold many Jews into slavery in gladiator schools, forced to fight other men and wild animals to the death. Perhaps the most famous Jew to serve as a gladiator was Shimon ben Lakish (also known as Reish Lakish), who sold himself into servitude as a gladiator, and later turned his life around, becoming an esteemed Jewish scholar instead.
Circus Acts and Stage Names As modern-style circuses became popular in Europe in the 19th century, a number of performers seem to have been Jews, often with unusual acts. The Warsaw Circus, for example, featured an exotic performer known as “Takhra Bey” who entertained crowds by piercing his face and body with needles and hanging weights from them. In real life, “Takhra Bey” was Moyshe Shtern, a local Jewish performer. The use of stage names hid the Jewish identity of his and many other performers.
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Some European circus stars who were open about their Jewishness included Moyshe Fayershteyn, who would seem to swallow animals, then produce them, amazing the crowds. Zishe (Siegmund) Breitbart performed in the 1920s in Europe as a circus strongman. Known to his non-Jewish fans as “the strongest man in the world,” he also was affectionately called “Shimshon ha-Gabur” (Samson the Mighty) by his many Yiddish-speaking fans. Two European Jewish families even became circus dynasties. Tightrope walking sisters Pese and Leah Rozentsvayg married other Jewish circus performers: Pese married Jewish clown Itsik Gayler and Leah married Yankev Birnboym, an acrobat. Together, the two families and their circus-performing children appeared throughout Europe and the United States.
Jews Building Circuses During the golden age of European circuses, a number of circuses were founded and run by Jewish circus families. In Germany, the Lorch family intermittently ran the Circus Gebruder Lorch from the late 1800s until 1930, performing all over southern Germany, Austria and Switzerland. The German Jewish family Blumenfeld owned the Circus Blumenfeld, closing in 1928.

http://media.aish.com/images/Jews%20and%20the%20Circus_htm_ba98518a7bc460ba.jpg Mitch Garber Several popular circuses that were founded by Jews still exist today. Foremost among these is the Moscow Circus, which remains one of the world’s most prestigious circuses and was founded in 1880 by the Jewish-German showman Albert Solomonsky. In the US, the popular Big Apple Circus was founded by Paul Binder in 1977 (he retired from the big top in 2008). And since 2016, the director of arguably the world’s most popular circus franchise, the Canadian-based international circus powerhouse Cirque du Soleil, has been Jewish entertainment businessman Mitch Garber.
Escaping Death in the Circus During the Holocaust, four members of one Jewish circus family survived by being hidden in plain sight. Irene Bento was a trick rider; her husband (who, according to some conflicting accounts, might or might not have been Jewish) worked as a clown. Their two young children lived in a travelling circus with them and other circus members, performing throughout Germany with a family circus owned by Alfred Althoff.
The scion of a 300-year-old circus family, Alfred Althoff was determined to conceal the four Jewish members of his circus. “Circus people don’t ask if you are Christian, Jewish or heathen,” he later explained, when asked how he was able to resist the pervasive virulent anti-Semitism of the war years.
Alfred arranged false papers for the Bentos and they kept performing under pseudonyms. As the circus travelled through Germany, Alfred would try to ask his contacts for a warning when the local Gestapo was about to come to check the identity papers of the circus employees. He and the Bentos arranged a code: before each Gestapo visit, Alfred would knock on their trailer door and tell them to “go fishing”. “You can do a lot in a circus and keep it a secret,” he recalled after the war.
The Bentos survived the war and continued their careers as circus performers. Their children eventually joined them in the ring, as well. Alfred Althoff was honored by the Israeli Government after the war. He passed away peacefully in his sleep at the age of 85 in 1998.
Circus Family in the Clutches of Mengele The Ovitz family, a Jewish family living in a small village in Romania in the years before World War Two, had an unusual distinction: they were the largest recorded family affected by dwarfism. Their father, Rabbi Shimshon Eizik, and seven (out of a total of ten) children all had the condition, marked by unusually short stature.
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The family arranged for music and performance lessons for the children; the Ovitz siblings were musically gifted and soon became accomplished performers. The five sisters and two brothers with dwarfism formed a successful circus act, which they dubbed the “Lilliput Troupe.” Their normal-sized siblings and mother helped out with costumes and other activities. Perla, the youngest sister, played a pink guitar, Frieda played the cimbalom, Rozika and Franziska played violins, while Elizabeth played the drums. Their brother Micki played the cello and accordion and brother Avram wrote the group’s scripts and worked as manager of the troupe. For 15 years the Ovitz siblings performed their successful act, even performing before King Carol II in Bucharest.
On May 16, 1944, however, the Ovitzes were deported to a concentration camp. After a three-day train journey crammed into a cattle car with scores of other Jews during which many perished, the Ovitz family arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Instead of being murdered on arrival like their relatives and friends, the Ovitz family was a curiosity. SS guards woke Dr. Josef Mengele who welcomed the siblings, relishing the chance to perform medical experiments on the dwarves. The Ovitzes quickly added a few “family” members to their group, including a neighbor and their handyman, saving these 15 normal sized people’s lives. But for the dwarves, months of torment was about to begin. Mengele spared their lives but at a gruesome cost, performing experiments on the siblings that left them exhausted, ill and in excruciating pain.
Mengele enjoyed spending time with the Ovitz clan, praising Frieda and insisting that she wear makeup which he provided. The sadistic doctor brought toys from children he’d killed for Leah’s 18 month old son Shimshon. Mengele made the little boy malnourished to the point where he never cried or talked, and insisted on being called the traumatized toddler’s “Uncle Mengele”.
In 1945, the Ovitz family was liberated from Auschwitz. They returned to their village, some of only 50 Jews to return out of 650 who were deported. In 1949, the family moved to Israel where they continued to perform.
Israel’s Medical Clowns In recent years, clowns have been moving out from under the Big Top and into hospitals where they help cheer patients and even can have medically significant, measurable healing effects on patients. Israel is emerging as a world leader in the use of clowns in medical settings.
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In other countries, clowns typically visit patients after their medical treatment; Israeli researchers are researching “clown therapy” as a research-driven, standardized branch of medicine. Israel has at least 80 clowns operating in 18 hospitals. These Israeli clowns are also paramedics, and participate in diagnosing and helping to devise treatment and rehabilitation plans, much the same way that art therapists and occupational therapists are part of patients’ medical teams.
In 2007, Israel’s University of Haifa became the first undergraduate degree program in the world in medical clowning.

Ares
6th August 2017, 08:36 PM
Read the article asshat, they state the ride was 15 years in service and corrosion was the problem.

Another temp ban for cebu, personal attacks as listed above.

crimethink
6th August 2017, 09:22 PM
Read the article asshat, they state the ride was 15 years in service and corrosion was the problem. Figuring this is a traveling circus more emphasis could have been done for many years of inspections. It's all payoffs and lack of real inspection.

I stand by what I said.

Low-quality, that is, not properly anti-corrosion-coated parts (and possibly inferior steel altogether), staff that didn't know and didn't really care how to tell that structural integrity was deficient, and an owner that wouldn't hire a professional to make sure nothing like this happened.

midnight rambler
6th August 2017, 09:45 PM
I stand by what I said.

Low-quality, that is, not properly anti-corrosion-coated parts (and possibly inferior steel altogether), staff that didn't know and didn't really care how to tell that structural integrity was deficient, and an owner that wouldn't hire a professional to make sure nothing like this happened.

I cannot fathom not being inspected regularly (as in at least annually) by an engineer after the first 4-5 years of use. Not signed off by an engineer with 15 years of use = willful intent imo.

Santa
7th August 2017, 09:24 AM
Israel is emerging as a world leader in the use of clowns in medical settings.


lol...

Atocha
7th August 2017, 09:54 AM
I cannot fathom not being inspected regularly (as in at least annually) by an engineer after the first 4-5 years of use. Not signed off by an engineer with 15 years of use = willful intent imo.

Agreed. You know the steel has been stressed many times over the years. I would not be surprised if cracks were occurring or had occurred before failure.

If corrosion is a problem, I think I would have to at least epoxy coat or galvanized the steel. I bet galvanized would be a lot cheaper than the payout will be for the wrongful death lawsuit.

Atocha
7th August 2017, 12:52 PM
I stand by what I said.

Low-quality, that is, not properly anti-corrosion-coated parts (and possibly inferior steel altogether), staff that didn't know and didn't really care how to tell that structural integrity was deficient, and an owner that wouldn't hire a professional to make sure nothing like this happened.

True.

The ride manufacturer has some responsibility if they did not provide a recommended service schedule for their machine. If they did, then it is all on the circus.

Usually, it takes a tragic event to establish a procedure for machine inspection/checks....

The lawyers are going to go after the money. The ride maker may be the ones with the cash...

Sounds like the manufacturer is covering their ass....

"The Dutch firm specifically asked that “operators of all Fireball/Afterburner (FRB24) and Move-it (MVT24/MVT32) type amusement rides” cease operations immediately."

Dogman
7th August 2017, 01:16 PM
More likely they had not a clue slumping like this could happen, out of the blue thingy.
Corrosion and metal fatigue can bite out of the blue despite any preventive crap..

Rumors and propaganda has that older aircraft skins what were marked by graphite pencils the area would fail in time due t electrolysis with humidity in the air in time.

Without a doubt that ride or like it are subjugated to high G's and related weight. Bet there will be a better design and posable retrofits very soon, for dam sure that area and places like it now will be subject to high attention from the operators.

;D

monty
7th August 2017, 02:18 PM
Agreed. You know the steel has been stressed many times over the years. I would not be surprised if cracks were occurring or had occurred before failure.

If corrosion is a problem, I think I would have to at least epoxy coat or galvanized the steel. I bet galvanized would be a lot cheaper than the payout will be for the wrongful death lawsuit.

I was told by the Euclid factory rep a mechanical engineer, that the steel in their haul truck frames would fail from metal fatigue at about 34,000 hours of use. In 15 years of hard use metal fatigue may have been the cause. If the ride had 8 hours use 250 days a year for 15 years that is 30,000 hours.

Joshua01
7th August 2017, 02:46 PM
My Dad used to tell me...

"Son, if you have nothing good to say go sit in the corner and keep your fucking mouth shut!"
Chinese parts.

Incompetent staff.

Cheap-ass ride owner.

Dogman
7th August 2017, 03:28 PM
I was told by the Euclid factory rep a mechanical engineer, that the steel in their haul truck frames would fail from metal fatigue at about 34,000 hours of use. In 15 years of hard use metal fatigue may have been the cause. If the ride had 8 hours use 250 days a year for 15 years that is 30,000 hours.

Metal fatigue more than likely had a major hand, along with ? depends on how deep the corrosion was at/in the failure point..

Just a thought!

SockPuppet
7th August 2017, 04:58 PM
Metal fatigue more than likely had a major hand, along with ? depends on how deep the corrosion was at/in the failure point..

Just a thought!

Im guessin the corrosion was a prliminay observation of rust dust in cracks near the welded areas. Just like the old roll bars in racing have been prety much outlawed. The bars crack around the welded areas. wish they had some real pictures of the seperation of this ride, this would shed a ton or informatyion.

Dogman
7th August 2017, 05:10 PM
Im guessin the corrosion was a prliminay observation of rust dust in cracks near the welded areas. Just like the old roll bars in racing have been prety much outlawed. The bars crack around the welded areas. wish they had some real pictures of the seperation of this ride, this would shed a ton or informatyion.

Still think metal fatigue was a major player!

;D

Android forever or whenever sumpthing better comes around!

crimethink
7th August 2017, 05:10 PM
My Dad used to tell me...

"Son, if you have nothing good to say go sit in the corner and keep your fucking mouth shut!"

Are you and Cebu a tag-team, or just the same person? I see that he is back as SockPuppet again, and, not surprisingly, thanked your (his?) comment here.

Is circumventing a ban with a sock a bannable offense?

Dogman
7th August 2017, 05:11 PM
Parionia anyone !

LMFAO

Android forever or whenever sumpthing better comes around!

SockPuppet
7th August 2017, 05:18 PM
Parionia anyone !

their all around you watch out!

crimethink
7th August 2017, 05:23 PM
their all around you watch out!

Why deny that you and Cebu are the same person?

Dogman
7th August 2017, 05:28 PM
Unwarranted badgering could be construed as attacks by assumption without any solid facts against any member here..

Just like I have been accused of drinking when I am stone cold sober....Imagine that Just saying, sumpthing like that can be considered a personal attack.

;D

crimethink
7th August 2017, 05:33 PM
Unwarranted badgering could be construed as attacks by assumption without any solid facts against any member here..

Just like I have been accused of drinking when I am stone cold sober....Imagine that Just saying, sumpthing like that can be considered a personal attack.

;D

LOL

Defending your "team." :rolleyes:

There is no question that SockPuppet is Cebu's sock puppet. The posting record is not secret. The posting style is consistent.

SockPuppet
7th August 2017, 05:36 PM
The posting style is consistent.

how so ? comparisin sir?

Dogman
7th August 2017, 05:37 PM
9197

Some one is being hilarious, plus showing their ass !

Mods can resolve this by checking ip's, tho rather they not, it is too much fun watching a certain paranoid melt down..

crimethink
7th August 2017, 05:50 PM
9197

Some one is being hilarious, plus showing their ass !

Mods can resolve this by checking ip's, tho rather they not, it is too much fun watching a certain paranoid melt down..

IPs can be obscured via proxies or VPNs - you know that.

The posting history is clear. SockPuppet is quiet until Cebu is banned, then he appears. Ban ends, SockPuppet goes away again. Cebu is banned again, SockPuppet rematerializes. Interest in the same threads/topics.

Are you Cebu/SockPuppet's Worshipful Master?

Joshua01
7th August 2017, 05:53 PM
Has anyone ever noticed that all these hate vs. Hate threads all they one thing in common? They all have Crimethink as a major player. Think about that MF!

Tumbleweed
7th August 2017, 05:54 PM
My Dad used to tell me...

"Son, if you have nothing good to say go sit in the corner and keep your fucking mouth shut!"


Joshual01 you should do as your dad told you and go sit in the corner.

Joshua01
8th August 2017, 06:23 AM
My Dad is dead so I do what I please now. I think he'd be proud that I do!
Joshual01 you should do as your dad told you and go sit in the corner.