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EE_
3rd September 2017, 06:35 PM
Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay

Senior White House aides met Sunday afternoon to discuss how to roll out the controversial move affecting hundreds of thousands of Dreamers.

By ELIANA JOHNSON
| 09/03/2017 08:21 PM EDT
| Updated 09/03/2017 08:25 PM EDT


President Donald Trump has decided to end the Obama-era program that grants work permits to undocumented immigrants who arrived in the country as children, according to two sources familiar with his thinking. Senior White House aides huddled Sunday afternoon to discuss the rollout of a decision likely to ignite a political firestorm — and fulfill one of the president’s core campaign promises.

Trump has wrestled for months with whether to do away with the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, known as DACA. He has faced strong warnings from members of his own party not to scrap the program and struggled with his own misgivings about targeting minors for deportation.

Conversations with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who argued that Congress — rather than the executive branch — is responsible for writing immigration law, helped persuade the president to terminate the program, the two sources said, though White House aides caution that — as with everything in the Trump White House — nothing is set in stone until an official announcement has been made.

In a nod to reservations held by many lawmakers, the White House plans to delay the enforcement of the president’s decision for six months, giving Congress a window to act, according to one White House official. But a senior White House aide said that chief of staff John Kelly, who has been running the West Wing policy process on the issue, “thinks Congress should’ve gotten its act together a lot longer ago.”

Trump is expected to announce his decision on Tuesday, and the White House informed House Speaker Paul Ryan of the president’s decision on Sunday morning, according to a source close to the administration. Ryan had said during a radio interview on Friday that he didn’t think the president should terminate DACA, and that Congress should act on the issue.

Neither the White House not a spokesman for Ryan immediately responded to requests for comment.

The president’s expected announcement is likely to shore up his base, which rallied behind his broader campaign message about the importance of enforcing the country’s immigration laws and securing the border. At the same time, the president’s decision is likely to be one of the most contentious of his early administration, opposed by leaders of both parties and by the political establishment more broadly.

The White House and Congress have tried to pass the issue off on each other – with each arguing that the other is responsible for determining the fate of the approximately 800,000 undocumented immigrants who are benefiting from DACA. Though most Republicans believe that rolling back DACA is a solid legal decision, they are conscious of the difficult emotional terrain. Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch joined Ryan in cautioning Trump against rolling back the program.

The president is likely to couch his decision in legalese. Many on the right, even those who support protections for children brought into the country illegally through no fault of their own, argue that DACA is unconstitutional because former President Barack Obama carried it out unilaterally instead of working through Congress.

Some Republican lawmakers, including Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, have said that Congress needs to pass a law to protect the so-called Dreamers.

“My hope is that as part of this process we can work on a way to deal with this issue and solve it through legislation, which is the right way to do it and the constitutional way to do it,” Rubio told CNN in June.

Trump’s expected decision to scrap DACA represents another challenge for Ryan and fellow congressional Republicans, who are facing an end-of-September deadline to avert a government shutdown and government debt default, while also tackling a Hurricane Harvey relief package and a major tax reform push.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/trump-dreamers-immigration-daca-immigrants-242301

EE_
3rd September 2017, 06:49 PM
Democrats will have to come to the table now. I'm sure congress can come up with a bill allowing many of them to stay. but it will have healthcare and the wall in it.

Cebu_4_2
3rd September 2017, 07:10 PM
And The Elders of Zion...

crimethink
3rd September 2017, 07:16 PM
DACA is NOT ended until it's ended. "Six-month delay" = NOT ENDED

Trump promised it would be ended on Day One, that is, January 20th, 2017.

Cebu_4_2
3rd September 2017, 07:22 PM
DACA is NOT ended until it's ended. "Six-month delay" = NOT ENDED

Trump promised it would be ended on Day One, that is, January 20th, 2017.

And The Elders of Zion...

EE_
3rd September 2017, 07:43 PM
DACA is NOT ended until it's ended. "Six-month delay" = NOT ENDED

Trump promised it would be ended on Day One, that is, January 20th, 2017.

Sorry he can do things on your schedule, he has a lot on his plate. He ended DACA and now it's on congress like it would have been anyway. This way he doesn't have to take too much heat. You can imagine the shit storm that would have happened if he didn't give congress a chance to act. Obama's legacy is about dead and buried.

vacuum
3rd September 2017, 07:51 PM
Here's the thing with this:

The 6 month delay gives congress 6 months' time to prepare a legislation to basically legalize all of them though law.

On the other hand, if he ended it immediately, its also possible that they would have rammed through some legislation immediately. With the delay, there is more time to argue and expose them as they work on it. Also, it brings everything closer to the 2018 elections, and if they pass that shit right before the 2018 elections, it will hurt.

EE_
3rd September 2017, 08:19 PM
Here's the thing with this:

The 6 month delay gives congress 6 months' time to prepare a legislation to basically legalize all of them though law.

On the other hand, if he ended it immediately, its also possible that they would have rammed through some legislation immediately. With the delay, there is more time to argue and expose them as they work on it. Also, it brings everything closer to the 2018 elections, and if they pass that shit right before the 2018 elections, it will hurt.

Either way, it won't be called DACA anymore. Another of Obama's legacies is dead.
I still think it gives the GOP leverage over the Dems. Every bill congress has ever passed had pork in it. This bill can have healthcare and the Wall pork in it. The Dems will have to vote on it.

crimethink
3rd September 2017, 10:23 PM
Sorry he can do things on your schedule


HIS schedule, "Day One."




he has a lot on his plate.


Yes, he does...like filling his cabinet with swampcreatures, kindling war with Russia, letting banksters have their way with us...





He ended DACA


Nope, he hasn't.

Try again in February.





This way he doesn't have to take too much heat.


He's a coward, who did this ONLY because several states planned to sue to get rid of DACA.




You can imagine the shit storm that would have happened if he didn't give congress a chance to act. Obama's legacy is about dead and buried.

Obamacare = still alive

Obamawar = still alive

And Obamainvasion aka DACA, etc. is about to be made permanent.

Killing DACA immediately was the right and lawful thing to do, and when the bill to make it permanent came through, he could veto it.

Now, he has appeased the state attorneys general, and will say he "reluctantly had to sign" the bill when it arrives, just like he did the Russian sanctions bill.

crimethink
3rd September 2017, 10:24 PM
Here's the thing with this:

The 6 month delay gives congress 6 months' time to prepare a legislation to basically legalize all of them though law.

On the other hand, if he ended it immediately, its also possible that they would have rammed through some legislation immediately. With the delay, there is more time to argue and expose them as they work on it. Also, it brings everything closer to the 2018 elections, and if they pass that shit right before the 2018 elections, it will hurt.

No bill to legalize the DACA Schemers can become law without his signature. Simply not enough votes for an override.

And mark my words: HE WILL SIGN THE BILL.

vacuum
3rd September 2017, 11:37 PM
Donate money to Judge Roy Moore, send a message

crimethink
4th September 2017, 01:12 AM
Donate money to Judge Roy Moore, send a message

I don't normally use the term "Honorable" for a judge, but for Moore, I will indeed call him the Honorable Roy Moore. I hope he wins Sessions' seat.

vacuum
4th September 2017, 12:47 PM
I just realized that Christmas and New Years are happening in a few months. I bet you they are going to try to ram this through on Christmas or New Years day. No one is even going to be talking about this bill, they'll vaguely say something is going to happen in February but then a secret vote will happen over the holidays instead.

crimethink
4th September 2017, 02:04 PM
I just realized that Christmas and New Years are happening in a few months. I bet you they are going to try to ram this through on Christmas or New Years day. No one is even going to be talking about this bill, they'll vaguely say something is going to happen in February but then a secret vote will happen over the holidays instead.

It may very well be tied to a must-pass bill, like the debt ceiling increase.

DACA is going to become PACA - Permanent Amnesty for Childhood Arrivals.

vacuum
4th September 2017, 03:44 PM
They're already planning on voting on this shit tomorrow.

https://i.redd.it/wfqxh7tw0yjz.png


TAKEAWAY: The BRIDGE Act, which would extend DACA, could be voted on as early as tomorrow (Tuesday, Sep. 5). It will pass the Senate. To pass the House, however, it must get 23 Republican votes. Already, 13 Republicans have co-sponsored it (and will thus vote for it). Thus, it would only need 10 more Republican votes. Of the remaining Republicans in the House, the most likely Republicans to vote for the BRIDGE Act are those who are not yet co-sponsors, but (i) who voted against defunding DACA in 2015 (13 of them), (ii) whose predecessors voted against defunding DACA in 2015 (3 of them), or (iii) who have publicly stated Trump shouldn’t repeal DACA (2 of them). We must put pressure on those 18 Representatives to vote against the BRIDGE Act.

PLAN OF ACTION: As stated, we must put pressure on the 18 Republican Representatives in question to vote against the BRIDGE Act. Below are their names and twitters, and pic related also shows their Facebook and YouTube accounts.
The Names of the 18 Republicans to Pressure:

Mark Amodei (R-NV), Ryan Costello (R-PA), Charlie Dent (R-PA), Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL), John Katko (R-NY), Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), Peter T. King (R-NY), Frank A. LoBiondo (R-NJ), Tom MacArthur (R-NY), Martha E. McSally (R-AZ), Patrick Meehan (R-PA), Devin Nunes (R-CA), Christopher H. Smith (R-NJ), Will Hurd (R-Tex.), Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), George Holding (R-NC), Claudia Tenney (R-NY), Paul Tonko (R-NY)
Twitters for the 18 Republicans to Pressure:

@MarkAmodeiNV2, @RepRyanCostello, @RepCharlieDent, @MarioDB, @repjohnkatko, @RepKinzinger, @reppeteking, @RepLoBiondo, @RepTomMacArthur, @repmcsally, @RepMeehan, @devinnunes, @RepChrisSmith, @HurdOnTheHill, @SpeakerRyan, @RepHolding, @reptenney, @repPaulTonko
BACKGROUND: Mike Coffman (R-CO) is sponsoring the BRIDGE ACT, which would enact DACA as law and extend it for 3 years. It will likely pass in the Senate, but it will be close in the House.

Coffman’s bipartisan bill, the BRIDGE ACT, essentially puts DACA into law and extends it for a three-year period. Coffman said Thursday that if Trump ends DACA he would use procedural maneuvers to force a vote on the Bridge Act (without requiring the bill to pass committee) That vote is expected to happen Tuesday…Coffman believes it has enough support to pass.
SENATE SIDE: In the Senate, the Bridge Act is co-sponsored by Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), who have said that it would likely have the support to pass.
HOUSE SIDE: At the moment, Coffman’s Bridge Act has just 12 Republican co-sponsors. In theory, the Bridge Act could come to the floor, and pass, if 23 Republicans joined Coffman and every House Democrat to support it.
Relevant Voting History & Related Actions by Republicans; Links

A. Per WaPo, 7 Republicans have urged Trump not to rescind DACA and said they would support seeking protections for DACA recipients.
B. There are 13 Republican co-sponsors of the BRIDGE ACT.
C. In 2015, 26 House Republicans voted against an amendment that would have defunded DACA. 20 of those 26 Republicans remain in the House. Of the remaining 6 seats, 3 are held by Republicans who took office since 2015.
Link to the Bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/496
Cosponsors: http://archive.is/48uae
Republicans who voted against defunding DACA in 2015: http://archive.is/kWEBm
CBS Story: http://archive.is/JTz0z
WaPo Story: http://archive.is/bjvmX

crimethink
4th September 2017, 04:39 PM
The Names of the 18 Republicans to Pressure:
Mark Amodei (R-NV), Ryan Costello (R-PA), Charlie Dent (R-PA), Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL), John Katko (R-NY), Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), Peter T. King (R-NY), Frank A. LoBiondo (R-NJ), Tom MacArthur (R-NY), Martha E. McSally (R-AZ), Patrick Meehan (R-PA), Devin Nunes (R-CA), Christopher H. Smith (R-NJ), Will Hurd (R-Tex.), Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), George Holding (R-NC), Claudia Tenney (R-NY), Paul Tonko (R-NY)

Peter King is the only likely NO vote among them.

Paul RINO is a sure YES vote.

Amodei, Costello, Dent, MacArthur, and Nunes are likely a YES.

EE_
4th September 2017, 05:45 PM
Peter King is the only likely NO vote among them.

Paul RINO is a sure YES vote.

Amodei, Costello, Dent, MacArthur, and Nunes are likely a YES.

Pro amnesty video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0

crimethink
4th September 2017, 05:52 PM
Pro amnesty video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0

These imbeciles fail to realize he is mostly on their side. Most of his talk is empty rhetoric. He's been a social liberal for decades. He'll sign this BRIDGE Act or whatever they will call the final bill.

I've tried to talk some sense into a family member's caregiver (Mexican, legal, with green card), but she is absolutely certain Donald J. Trump is personally going to come take her away for deportation. The Espanol Jewsmedia has done quite a number on them.

Cebu_4_2
4th September 2017, 06:08 PM
Some peoples comments on this thread are just too stupid to repeat.

The posted video has 8000 likes and 37,000 dislikes. This tells me that the GS-US trolls are just fucking plain stupider than fuck.

Bring it bitch!

Cebu_4_2
4th September 2017, 06:09 PM
I feel a ban on my back, or is it the sun?

crimethink
4th September 2017, 06:13 PM
I feel a ban on my back, or is it the sun?

Persecution Complex?

Cebu_4_2
4th September 2017, 06:15 PM
Persecution Complex?


No, called sunburn. Go to bed Batman.