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jcismylord
10th September 2017, 07:05 PM
Here is one radical, or perhaps not so radical idea for your consideration

We all know, that one of the main function of MONEY is to be a STORE OF VALUE.

So, if I am to ask a question - "what is money in our days?" - all we have to do is to LOOK at where people store their wealth today.

If you take the richest guys like Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and the likes of such - notice these guys don't store their wealth in USD ( in banks ) or in gold or in other currencies or in bonds or in parcels of land.

All of them store their wealth in STOCKS.

Therefore they use STOCKS as money.

STOCKS are and have been for decades a new form of money.

Despite all the noise, STOCKS, not gold are supported and baled out.

Owning stocks is encouraged and protected by the PTB.

Being MONEY, allows STOCKS to be so divorced from things like "earnings per share", "valuations", "book value" or anything that we call "fundamentals".

I often hear many an old-school analyst baffled by a disconnect in between fundamentals and the current stock price, simply due to their failure to realize that in this present era STOCKS ARE NOT SHARES OF BUSINESSES they use to be. STOCKS ARE MONEY. As money, stocks compete against traditional "money" such as the dollar or other currencies.

Powerful and wealthy of this world don't keep their wealth in huge bank accounts, in cash or commodities - they keep their wealth in stocks, which so far have been simply a BETTER STORE OF VALUE than the dollar or say land - the STOCKS ARE BETTER MONEY today.

Raise of the stock market of the last decades is not at all indicative of the great health of underlying economy, - raise of stocks is NOTHING MORE THAN A MANIFESTATION OF INFLATION, where better money - THE STOCKS outperform the bad money - the dollar before our eyes.

With that said - the phrase "IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE" is a failure to see the true nature of what stocks have become ( have been made into ) in the recent decades - a new form of money.

singular_me
11th September 2017, 06:58 AM
my Manly P Hall quote says it ALL

cheka.
11th September 2017, 08:37 AM
jc - I like your analysis. I would just add that stocks are money, but money is not stocks.

Dogman
11th September 2017, 08:49 AM
Money today is the same as yesterday, what ever holds perceived value, can be used as money in exchange of goods. The kick is for all to agree on the value.

crimethink
11th September 2017, 09:58 AM
Stocks are not money, but merely instruments by which additional wealth is derived without work.

Real money cannot go to zero value.

The wealthy always cash out of stocks when they know it's going to decline. They stay in only as a tool to siphon off the wealth - dividends - generated from actual work (usually by the peons).

The wealthy do not store most of their primary wealth in stocks. They store it in secret. The "laws" that prohibit secret assets overseas (e.g., Switzerland, and elsewhere)? Those "laws" are for YOU, not them.

The proverbial tip of the iceberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers

Trillions more are out there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Black_Hole

jcismylord
15th September 2017, 04:32 PM
a tool to siphon off the wealth - dividends

I don't know what planet you are on, but vast majority of stocks don't generate any dividends here on earth.



The wealthy do not store most of their primary wealth in stocks. They store it in secret.

huh?

well, out of curiosity, how many "secrets" do wealthy of your planet own? Billions? Trillions?

and perhaps you could enlighten regarding the exchange rate in between "secrets" and "gold"?

maybe you should not .

Carl
15th September 2017, 05:14 PM
Stocks are not money.

The value of money is in its use and acceptance as a medium of exchange and unit of account, and its only worth is in what it can buy. This holds true for all money regardless its material construct.

Money does not 'store value' as value is subjective and transitory.

Credit is debt.

jcismylord
15th September 2017, 06:28 PM
Stocks are not money.

The value of money is in its use and acceptance as a medium of exchange and unit of account, and its only worth is in what it can buy. This holds true for all money regardless its material construct.

Money does not 'store value' as value is subjective and transitory.

Credit is debt.

Here are three top dudes - Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Bezos

These dudes are very reach

Please somebody notice that,
* none of them owns one thousand ton of gold.
* none of them has 50 billions in a checking account
* none of them owns 100 thousand acres of land
* none of the own track-loads of cash in any currencies

* each of them own a lot of equities

yes, I know all the groundhog pitching, and how everything is supposed to be and all the usual blah blah blah

and gold and silver narrative since the dawn of the old site

i am begging to notice a simple fact, stated above

and also i'm pointing to a constant bewilderment and ravings on behalf of highly intelligent and even loved youtube guys like him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J4NIFKTxQE) screaming - why stocks go up, when they yield nothing, have no earnings, backed by nearly nothing (book value), divorced from fundamentals completely, and there are huge hurricanes, why, why do they go up up up?

because

look at what top dudes hold as their wealth or call it money or currency - what ever you like to call it

and realize the stocks are money in this game TODAY

and start treating them stocks AS MONEY, and start thinking of them as money

and throw away all the nonsense

and then you will see, that when hurricanes destroys the South, then LOGICALLY the dollar MUST sink against stocks, BECAUSE stocks are STRONGER currency

and then there is no mystery and no paradox

and that is EXACTLY what happened - stocks went up

I am not advocating for going and buying yourself some stocks. No way.

I am just saying - look at this simple fact, an observation. that little observation helps understanding what is going on

peace

and apologies to crimethink - I really should not have been so nasty

osoab
15th September 2017, 06:45 PM
Faith.

Carl
15th September 2017, 07:06 PM
Stocks are not money, they are gambling reciepts.

cheka.
15th September 2017, 09:08 PM
gates/buffet/bezos are made criminals - insiders. you/we are not. they get deals/info/loot we have no access to. for a slap you in the face example - see buffet's deal for goldman interest the last time nyc skype blew themselves up..........and azz raped the rest of us to make them whole.....plus TENS OF BILLIONS in HOLIDAY bonus pool ill-gotten payouts

old steel
16th September 2017, 01:36 PM
Warren Buffett Buys 130 Million Ounces of Silver.https://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/monetarydigests/warren-buffett-buys-silver/



Warren Buffett Sells 130 Million Ounces of Silver.
http://www.silverdoctors.com/silver/silver-news/a-heretic-why-was-warren-buffet-forced-to-dump-129-million-oz-of-silver/