Multiple Casualties Reported in Texas Church Shooting

[Ares]

Reports from Sutherland, Texas, indicate that six people have been taken to area hospitals following a mass casualty shooting in a church. The gunman is reported to be dead.

The shooting occurred at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs on Sunday morning, the San Antonio Express-News reported. Sutherland Springs is located about 40 miles southeast of San Antonio.

At about 11:30 a.m. on Sunday, a man walked into the church and immediately opened fire on the crowd attending the service, Fox News reported.

Wilson County Constable told Fox News that his department is working to remove bodies from the church. The number of people killed and their identities have not been released.

KSAT’s Max Massey tweeted a report that the shooter may have reloaded multiple times and that the service is usually attended by about 50 people.

Massey reported that FBI investigators have arrived on the scene.

No description of the shooter has been released.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/11/05/multiple-casualties-reported-in-texas-church-shooting/

[cheka.]

news saying 27 dead, 24 hurt. this in one of the better regions of texas (demographically).....i know it well

also, san antonio is full of nyc.dc military and spooks - i would say the highest concentration in texas

[old steel]

Is nothing sacred anymore?

[cheka.]

wanting to see if shooter has any nyc.dc connections. the communities in that region are full of solid citizen/salt of the earth types

[JDRock]

No mention of his name. Must be a person of color. The fbi will be on the scene to put the gun in the hands of a white guy and yell "CASE CLOSED'

[cheka.]

lifted this off of another forum:

Devin P Kelley Age 25—30
Phone
(830) 708-7538

8307087538 is a Mobile number registered with At&t Mobility in TX

Address
2825 Fm 2722

New Braunfels, TX
78132-2871

Relatives & Associated
Michael S Kelley

Rebecca A Kelley

See more results for Devin Kelley

in Texas (3)
See more results for Kelley

in New Braunfels, TX (30)
in Texas (8,819)

[cheka.]

also lifted this:

Based on social media... its pointing to this guy:

Devin Kelley, former airforce, of new braunfels tx

[link to www.linkedin.com (secure)]

facebook page -- https://www.facebook.com/people/Devin-Kelley/100008822226531

devin patrick kelley

[cheka.]

found a guy with same name from colorado springs, colorado -- isn't that another military/spook hot spot

https://voterrecords.com/voter/1440345/devin-kelley

Devin Patrick Kelley (born 1991) is listed at 3023 W Colorado Ave # 60 Colo Springs, CO and has no political party affiliation. He is a male registered to vote in El Paso County, Colorado.


Overview of Devin Patrick Kelley
Lives in: Colo Springs, Colorado
Phone: View phone number
Gender: Male
Devin Kelley's Voter Registration
Party Affiliation: Unaffiliated Party
Registered to Vote In: El Paso County, Colorado
Registration Date: 11/13/2014
Voter Status: Inactive
Status Reason: Returned Mail
Precinct: 5111821110
Precinct Split: 110.Fbp
Congressional District: Congressional 5
House District: State House 18
Senate District: State Senate 11

================================================== =====

this site lists two devin p kelley that might be related to the event - one that used to live in alexandria, va; the other in colorado and san antonio

https://www.spokeo.com/Devin-Kelly

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this site ties says same guy - new braunfels and colorado springs: https://www.checkthem.com/name/Devin-Kelley/

[midnight rambler]

Death toll expected to climb -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html)

[Dogman]

One wonders if because of the current political master, these attacks are escalating, history will tell.

Rip to the innocent ones, worshiping what they believed it , being forced to exit life before probably their time.

Due maybe our leader in charge ?

WITFNS but again time may or not tell, But for sure things are getting bloodier and killed is going up.

Welcome world terror, welcome to our homeland for what ever political or crazy reason..


People are nuts, getting crazy , and are getting nuttier .

R.I.P to the innocent.

[cheka.]

so it appears that he was at the air force academy in colorado springs, then moved to the greater san antonio area (full of dc military crap), then mowed down a bunch of salt of the earth baptists, including many children...

if so, the heavy dc connection makes the official story deserving of extreme examination

was this to throw people off of the numerous scandals ripping apart skypeville -- vegas lies, pedos, j0-wood sex assaults, dnc scandals, more...

[midnight rambler]

It’s Trump’s fault??!?!! Geez, a lifetime of drunkenness apparently results in becoming completely deranged.

[old steel]

Don't go to schools, check.

Don't go to malls, check.

Don't go to movies, check.

Don't go to concerts, check.

Don't go to sporting events, check.

Don't go to churches, check

Any other places they can shoot up where folks gather in numbers?

[Dogman]

Don't have a life, check

[Hitch]

Any other places they can shoot up where folks gather in numbers?

Yeah, all other 'gun free' zones are on the shoot up list.

[old steel]

Out farming the land only see our neighbors on occasion doing the same, so np there.

When we are hiking up mountain trails in our tight nit group it's rare to see another person, so np there.

Camping, and skiing whether behind a boat or on the slopes there are people around but we feel very safe with people engaged in the same behavior, so np there. (so far)

Guess we hang out at all the wrong places.

[EE_]

There is a serious mental illness crisis in our country.

The left has been inciting acts of violence for the last 9 years.

The MSM and the Democrats have been promoting acts of violence against conservatives and our president, it's only a matter of time before they act.

Combine that with liberal Hollywood pumping out movie after movie of killing and slaughter of humans.

The liberal game industry pumping out game after game of shooting and killing.

Obama never condemned cop killing, black lives matter, black panthers, or antifa

The Liberal Hollywood elite promoting violence in plays assassinating our president, holding up his head like ISIS and hate of all conservatives.

The Democrat party promoting hatred of Christian conservatives to their mentally ill base.

I believe this is causing great harm to our country and should no longer be allowed. Promoting violence in a sick country is not freedom of speech.

[old steel]

It's like a plague in jewSA.

Look at this headline.

DEVELOPING NEWS At least 28 people dead, several injured in "LATEST" U.S. mass shooting. Click to read more.

(https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/more-than-20-dead-after-shooting-at-sutherland-springs-church/ar-AAutUSS)

[Dogman]

Total bullshit and you know it, both the left and right are being pushed or driven to insanity!

Mostly is as a society we have driven out the moderits and the only ones left are the extrams on both sides.

Prove me wrong !

You can not, just like a marriage, a good one is ruled from the middle, (despite the wife is always right, even proven wrong) (Fact of marriage life and dealing with woman in relationships) ( I call it the hen factor)


Any fans of shiner beer, the brewery is close to where this shit happened, back in the day very earthy taste. But also at the time, it was a very local beer.

;D

[crimethink]

lifted this off of another forum:

Devin P Kelley Age 25—30
Phone
(830) 708-7538

8307087538 is a Mobile number registered with At&t Mobility in TX

Address
2825 Fm 2722

New Braunfels, TX
78132-2871

Relatives & Associated
Michael S Kelley

Rebecca A Kelley

See more results for Devin Kelley

in Texas (3)
See more results for Kelley

in New Braunfels, TX (30)
in Texas (8,819)

https://www.inquisitr.com/4600288/devin-p-kelley-texas-church-shooting-suspect-identified-man-opened-fire-during-church-service-killing-27/

[crimethink]

One wonders if because of the current political master, these attacks are escalating, history will tell.

Rip to the innocent ones, worshiping what they believed it , being forced to exit life before probably their time.

Due maybe our leader in charge ?

God knows I'm no fan of Trump, but you're blaming Trump? Wow, all the drunk jokes are proven correct.

You are not a "neutral observer" or even a "political centrist." You are clearly an extreme-left ideologue.

Was Obama personally responsible for Ft. Hood, Aurora, Newtown*, Charleston, and San Bernardino?




* for the sake of this issue, we'll assume Newtown was not hoaxed.

[vacuum]

It looks like its their new strategy to target white Christian conservatives. First Vegas, now this. It seems deliberate. Maybe they gamed out that this is ultimately the best way to change public opinion on guns, by directly targeting and trying to break the core group that supports it. I guarantee you they have an army of sociologists and psychologists who have studied it.

[crimethink]

It looks like its their new strategy to target white Christian conservatives. First Vegas, now this. It seems deliberate. Maybe they gamed out that this is ultimately the best way to change public opinion on guns, by directly targeting and trying to break the core group that supports it.

This is exactly the motive for it.

[cheka.]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer

Devin Patrick Kelley has been identified as the gunman who killed at least 24 people at a church in Texas, a U.S. official tells The Daily Beast. Kelley, 26, was a resident of New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, according to public records. Kelley was married and Kelley's mother-in-law listed a P.O. box in Sutherland Springs as a mailing address.

San Antonio police reportedly raided Kelley's home on Sunday evening. A LinkedIn account appearing to belong to Kelley describes him as serving in the U.S. Air Force from his 2009 high-school graduation until 2013, after which he briefly taught at a summer Bible school. On a now-deleted Facebook account, Kelley recently displayed an AR-15 style gun, ABC News reports.

[Dogman]

God knows I'm no fan of Trump, but you're blaming Trump? Wow, all the drunk jokes are proven correct.

You are not a "neutral observer" or even a "political centrist." You are clearly an extreme-left ideologue.

Was Obama personally responsible for Ft. Hood, Aurora, Newtown*, Charleston, and San Bernardino?



* for the sake of this issue, we'll assume Newtown was not hoaxed.


Not so much trump but for sure his mindset that has filtered down. Plus possibly the unknown political crap..(need a pole to touch that one) (Very long one)

[old steel]

No one carries in churches in Texas?

They will now.

[crimethink]

The alleged shooter:

https://everipedia-storage.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/ProfilePics/devin-kelley__18361_100x100.png

[Dogman]

White is right !

Even if some may be wrong!

Sad

The huge question is why in the fuck he did it?

[EE_]

The alleged shooter:

https://everipedia-storage.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/ProfilePics/devin-kelley__18361_100x100.png

Looks like a liberal that was radicalized by the violent left MSM/Democrats to kill Christian conservatives. A quick check of his voting record will tell, if he voted that is?

[Dogman]

Looks like a liberal that was radicalized by the violent left MSM/Democrats to kill Christian conservatives. A quick check of his voting record will tell, if he voted that is? Liberal, conservation, bullshit.

27 dead

[StreetsOfGold]

The gunman is reported to be dead.

the LONE gunman who happens to be DEAD and cannot be reached for comment

Yeah right, I call PURE BULLSH!T!!!

So, is it a FALSE FLAG or YET ANOTHER hoax?

It's ONE or the other for absolute CERTAIN!!!

[vacuum]

So, is it a FALSE FLAG or YET ANOTHER hoax?


27 dead, 30 wounded.

That kill to death ratio is unheard of. Hard for me to believe it is true.

[Dogman]

the LONE gunman who happens to be DEAD and cannot be reached for comment

Yeah right, I call PURE BULLSH!T!!!

So, is it a FALSE FLAG or YET ANOTHER hoax?

It's ONE or the other for absolute CERTAIN!!! Stick your nose back into your papers , and ignore reality. Your reality make or could taken hold a many years ago. Tho I am sure walking and talking idiots will buy what you spought. Tho god help them Stupid is what is

But if you are happy with your life, good for you, Look at the correlation of world religions and common themes,

I feel sad for you, being locked into your own mindset.

[Dogman]

27 dead, 30 wounded.

That kill to death ratio is unheard of. Hard for me to believe it is true. Know a few living the area and it is true , the shit hit the fan, some think killed were friends of my sorta friends/acquaintances.

But for sure that fact will not stop, some to make hay, and the conspiracy theory's blossom.

Never net a real thing be reshaped into what ever augends.

But not let that stop some here along on the web.

[Twisted Titan]

The libs are chomping at the bit.

Crazy white man

Let's see what trump says so we can shit can him

[cheka.]

Looks like a liberal that was radicalized by the violent left MSM/Democrats to kill Christian conservatives. A quick check of his voting record will tell, if he voted that is?

and as always in these events, a prominent connection to nyc.dc

[midnight rambler]

27 dead, 30 wounded.

That kill to death ratio is unheard of. Hard for me to believe it is true.

Soft target and point blank range with an AR, very easily done.

[Dogman]

My point was just made thanks guys..

IDIOTS!

For facts..

Rugar ar style rifle.

Now back to our regular programming, with the ? running the asylum here !

;D

[old steel]

Soft target and point blank range with an AR, very easily done.

Head shots.

[cheka.]

just heard a resident shot him as he was driving away...and they found him dead down the road (possible suicide or resident kill)

[JDRock]

Just a wild guess here, ssri drugs involved...?

[vacuum]

This guy stopped the shooter with a rifle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYd2kIZxk4

He says they pursued and kept the shooter in place with rifles trained on him. The guy was still alive and not fighting back.

But police arrive, and boom, shooter is killed.

[Ares]

Just a wild guess here, ssri drugs involved...?

Looks like he may of been Antifa. /POL is sleuthing and finding some good info.


http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9416&d=1509931248

[crimethink]

This guy stopped the shooter with a rifle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYd2kIZxk4

He says they pursued and kept the shooter in place with rifles trained on him. The guy was still alive and not fighting back.

But police arrive, and boom, shooter is killed.

Yeehaw, Texas Good Ol' Boys took out the trash!

Now THAT doesn't fit the narrative...two good guys with guns neutralized the problem.

[crimethink]

Texas Voter Registration for this prick is active, but no party affiliation listed.

Dishonorably discharged from the Air Force...that's quite a feat in today's era.

[crimethink]

Looks like he may of been Antifa. /POL is sleuthing and finding some good info.


http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9416&d=1509931248

Original source is "Your News Wire," so this is probably FAKE.

http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

[Ares]

Original source is "Your News Wire," so this is probably FAKE.

http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

Maybe, but this is definitely interesting:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9417&d=1509931858

That was posted a month before the shooting, and in Arabic.

[cheka.]

you had me at air force

[Ares]

CNN falls for Sam Hyde as the shooter..... AGAIN.. LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRzlZbi2z1g&feature=youtu.be

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRzlZbi2z1g&feature=youtu.be

[vacuum]

Anyone dishonorably discharged from the armed forces is not legally allowed to own a firearm.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

[midnight rambler]

Anyone dishonorably discharged from the armed forces is not legally allowed to own a firearm.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

See? Commonsense gun control works!

[crimethink]

"Remember, remember, the Fifth of November..."

[crimethink]

https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2017/11/06/3ddd0d72-5413-4fc4-91d6-f31fee359a85/resize/620x/de10f3025c041ca96883a9c513649065/171105-devin-patrick-kelley.jpg

[midnight rambler]

Radicalized mooooooslim?? ???


https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2017/11/06/3ddd0d72-5413-4fc4-91d6-f31fee359a85/resize/620x/de10f3025c041ca96883a9c513649065/171105-devin-patrick-kelley.jpg

[crimethink]

Withdrawn.

[messianicdruid]

All men must accept their personal responsibility to protect their own and get training and start carrying one of those half-billion weapons belonging to Americans.

I get sick of hearing what the problem supposedly is and all these ridiculous, complicated, agendas-driven so-called solutions.

[midnight rambler]

What leads you to believe that the shooter had a Mini-14??

The report of the shooter dropping his rifle indicates to me that the good guy with the rifle scored the takedown hit.

http://ruger.com/products/ar556/images/line-top.jpg

http://ruger.com/products/ar556/overview.html
(http://ruger.com/products/ar556/overview.html)


Mini-14s are "assault rifles":

"The suspect dropped his rifle, which was a Ruger AR assault-type rifle and fled from the church," [Freeman Martin, the regional director of the Texas Department of Public Safety] said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/texas-church-shooting-resident-action/index.html

[vacuum]

Radicalized mooooooslim?? ???

Or liberal slob?

[cheka.]

CNN falls for Sam Hyde as the shooter..... AGAIN.. LOL]

lmao!

I've been pushing for a new meme -- every dimocrat/pedo/rape/Hollywood/bankster scandal reveal should be credited to bannon

with hyde and bannon we'll have it all covered

[cheka.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052625/Vicente-Gonzalez-Texas-shooter-4chan-hoax-meme-Sam-Hyde.html

Bizarre moment Texas congressman Vicente Gonzalez says Texas shooter is 4chan hoax meme Sam Hyde

Congressman Vicente Gonzalez stated the culprit was named Sam Hyde to CNN

Hyde is an alt-right meme that originated on 4Chan and Reddit

His name has been associated with several shootings

The meme is successful because media outlets rush to be first to name gunmen

By Dailymail.com Reporter

Published: 18:56 EST, 5 November 2017 | Updated: 20:52 EST, 5 November 2017

In the hours after the Texas church shooting, Congressman Vicente Gonzalez of Texas erroneously reported the Texas church shooter was named Sam Hyde - who is in fact a name used in an alt-right meme.

During a phone interview with CNN Gonzalez appeared to report all the information he had on the shooting in Wilson County, Texas.

The Democrat lawmaker stated that the culprit was named 'Sam Hyde' during the interview.

'It was reported to me that he's actually not from this community. Apparently his name was released as Sam Hyde, that was the name I was given,' Rep. Gonzalez said.

[cheka.]

Vicente got the sam hyde info from 'officials' - longer video here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6RNaYwNEuw

[cheka.]

giant Mexican station finger sam hyde too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4UYh5DTCag

[Jewboo]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1468/11/1468116276877.png

:D

[old steel]

Planned distraction to what is going down elsewhere, hearing claims about multiple shooters involved again, but it's the same lone gunman MO, who winds up dead, of course.

[vacuum]

Looks like its confirmed he was a leftist:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/1441961382721180/photos/
GROUP HE IS A PART OF ON FACEBOOK
"TOGETHER WE RISE ! This is a group that believes ALL should rise, not just 1%. I do not care what your race, color, religion, nationality , income etc is, ONLY that you NOT be a right wing extremist. People that SUPPORT TR**P do not meat the above standards of decency and civility. I know what old style Republicans were and the ones in congress today will not like it here. This group is great, join if you agree. You WILL be welcomed warmly, make new friends . We have reached a point where there is NO turning back."
GROUPS INFO^
https://i.imgur.com/d5BSHHO.png - READ THROUGH HIS GROUPS. YOU'LL FIND OUR TOGETHER WE RISE. TOOK A BIT TO FIND THE CORRECT ONE, BUT FOUND IT.
NOTHING MORE DANGEROUS THAN A DEMOCRAT WITH A GUN.

[vacuum]

Here's Trump's response to the shooting and about gun control in his press conference in Japan today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4yA544kcI&t=24m30s

[crimethink]

What leads you to believe that the shooter had a Mini-14??

http://ruger.com/products/ar556/images/line-top.jpg

http://ruger.com/products/ar556/overview.html
(http://ruger.com/products/ar556/overview.html)

Yup, I made a quick and erroneous assumption.

[crimethink]

Planned distraction to what is going down elsewhere, hearing claims about multiple shooters involved again, but it's the same lone gunman MO, who winds up dead, of course.

A disgraced supply clerk in the USAF implements this "mission" as effectively as a Special Operator? Yeah, this story is pretty suspicious.

[cheka.]

need more background on the shooter -- everything i've seen begins at the air force academy. anybody seen anything earlier

[cheka.]

the stories in the media keep changing -- here's another version with different 'facts'....car chase into another county, ran off road.

also no mention of colorado springs, but adds new mexico base. isnt the colorado springs outfit hard to get into?

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/who_is_devin_kelley_26-year-ol.html

The motive in the attack isn't yet known.

The attack was stopped when a person at the church drew his own weapon and engaged Kelley. The person then pursued Kelley by car into an adjacent county, where the suspect ran off the road and was later found dead in his vehicle, the Los Angeles Times reported.

"At this time, we don't know if it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound or if he was shot by the local resident," said Freeman Martin, the regional director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Law enforcement officials are currently searching Kelley's home. Officials said they don't believe Kelley is linked to organized terrorists, but they are looking at social media posts Kelley made before the attack, including one that showed him holding a semiautomatic weapon.

Kelley served in the Air Force from 2010-2014 and reportedly received a bad-conduct discharge after being court-martialed for assaulting his wife and child, the Pentagon told Military.com. Ann Stefanek, an Air Forces spokesperson, said Kelley was an airman who served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.

Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts related to the assault of his spouse and an assault on his child. He received a bad conduct discharge, confinement for 12 months and reduction in rank.

[cheka.]

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/texas-church-shooting/who-devin-kelley-alleged-texas-church-shooter-n817806

A search of criminal records in Comal County, where Kelley lived, yielded only minor violations — driving with an expired registration, speeding, failure to stop at a stop sign, driving without insurance.

A New Braunfels Independent School District spokeswoman confirmed that Kelley graduated from New Braunfels High School in 2009, but declined to offer additional details about him.

Dave Ivey, Kelley's uncle, said in a Facebook message that he "never in a million years could of believed Devin could be capable of this kind of thing."

"I am numb," Ivey said. "My family will suffer because of his coward actions. ... I am so sorry for the victims in Texas."

Federal officials said they'd found no obvious link to an organized terrorist group. Abbott said it wasn't clear whether Kelley had relatives inside the church when he opened fire, and Freeman Martin regional director of the state Department of Public Safety, said authorities were investigating whether Kelley belonged to a militia. But Freeman added: "We can't say one way or another."

Police found multiple weapons inside the vehicle, he said.

Rep. Vicente Gonzalez, D-Texas, said on MSNBC that he did not believe the incident was related to Islamist terrorism but "was some kind of other incident that has to do with the church or the community."

"It's a rural community and a conservative [one], mostly farmers and ranchers and people who work out in the oil and gas patches," he said, adding that the area was "very tranquil and very safe."

[cheka.]

sounds like he worked at the base in new mexico, got kicked out, then wen to live in colorado springs (where the air force academy is). why would he do that after getting kicked out?

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/05/texas-church-shooter-devin-patrick-kelley-lived-colorado-springs/

The gunman who reportedly killed at least 26 people at a Texas church Sunday lived at a Colorado Springs mobile home park as recently as 2014, according to voter records.

He served in Logistics Readiness in Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his discharge in 2014, the AP reported.

Sometime that year, he moved to the Fountain Creek RV Park in Colorado Springs, according to public records.

Kelley registered as an unaffiliated voter in Colorado on Nov. 13, 2014, according to state voter records. But he never voted, and his registration was changed to inactive after his 2016 mail-ballot was returned.

He did not have a criminal record here, according to a Colorado Bureau of Investigation background check.

His next known address was New Braunfels, Texas, a suburb of San Antonio where he lived until Sunday’s shooting.

[cheka.]

million dollar home in new braunfels is a mansion

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/texas-church-shooting-suspect-devin-kelley-what-we-know.html

New Braunfels is a suburb of San Antonio, located about 35 miles north of First Baptist Church. Kelley grew up in the town, in a home worth nearly $1 million.

Kelley’s first marriage ended in divorce in 2012. He married in New Mexico in April 2011, and was sued for divorce in October 2012, according to court documents obtained by the Albuquerque Journal. The papers say the couple had no children together, but were living with a child from the wife’s previous relationship.

He married again in 2014, and according to CBS News his second wife’s name is Danielle Lee Shields. Kelley’s mother-in-law listed a P.O. box in Sutherland Springs as a mailing address.

[crimethink]

need more background on the shooter -- everything i've seen begins at the air force academy. anybody seen anything earlier

I don't think this prick was at the Academy. Maybe Peterson or Schriever AFBs?

[crimethink]

"[Kelley] was always talking about how people who believe in God were stupid and trying to preach his atheism."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5053013/Devin-Kelley-outcast-preached-atheism.html

[StreetsOfGold]

[QUOTE=cheka.;914608]https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/texas-church-shooting/who-devin-kelley-alleged-texas-church-shooter-n817806 "My family will suffer because of his coward actions" /QUOTE]

Typical MSM newspseak.
Notice how thew shooter is always called a COWARD, SAME M.O., they always USE the SAME MEME!!!
Even is this is a real EVENT, why would a guy like this be a COWARD??!?!?
It takes GUTS to do what he did no matter what the reason or motive is.
Stupid, idiotic, Satanic, criminal,etc. all these words COULD be used to describe such a person but COWARD?
Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes me want to puke, the actors narrative is getting OLD!!

[StreetsOfGold]

"[Kelley] was always talking about how people who believe in God were stupid and trying to preach his atheism."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5053013/Devin-Kelley-outcast-preached-atheism.html

Ah yes, the continued propaganda NARRATIVE, to PIT believers against UNbelievers.
DIVIDE and conquer

It's a SHAME of a story.

[crimethink]

It takes GUTS to do what he did no matter what the reason or motive is.

Proof that StreetsofGeld is a crypto. It says shooting unarmed children and women inside a church-house "takes guts."

It must have "taken guts" to beat up his ex-wife and a little kid, too, which got him kicked out of the USAF.

When the armed good guy with the gun, Stephen Willeford, showed up, Killer Kelley ran away like the coward he was.

[crimethink]

Ah yes, the continued propaganda NARRATIVE, to PIT believers against UNbelievers.
DIVIDE and conquer

My .sig says it all. This kook rejected God, and consequently had no moral compulsion not to massacre unarmed children and women.

Jesus Christ Himself "divides the believers and unbelievers."

[crimethink]

Someone at Academy is likely in big trouble...

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/11/06/the-texas-church-shooter-should-not-have-been-legally-able-to-buy-a-gun/23268276/

But even if the assault charges didn't technically go down as domestic violence, assault alone can be treated as a felony, which should preclude gun ownership. And even if the charges didn't go down as felonies, the twin charges carried a maximum sentence of over a year in prison, and therefore should preclude gun ownership.

The federal government's firearm transaction record, which buyers must legally fill out, asks about felony convictions. Kelley bought a Ruger AR-556 rifle, used in the attack on the church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, in April of last year from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, a law-enforcement official told CNN.

...Or did Obama's FBI botch the NICS check?

[JDRock]

Streets of GOLDBERG- your a tool

[cheka.]

not unlikely he got some special 'treatment' during his year long stay in military prison, no?

and he certainly showed potential for the mission - beating the kid and wife so bad/so much that he got a year in prison for it. also read that after he got out of prison he was charged with animal cruelty in colorado springs.

sounds like a blue chip recruit for nyc.dc gun grabber mission

[JDRock]

Military = government agent. Sorry , its the definition of a useful idiot.

[cheka.]

Military = government agent. Sorry , its the definition of a useful idiot.

no doubt. and if you have extra depravity, they can make you (in)famous

[Dachsie]

I would like to know many more details attesting to the "multiple casualties." It can still be a "false flag" even if there were casualities and the shooting was real, but if there are zero records about deaths and hospitalizations, I would doubt this one twoo.

Al Jazerra newspaper had the article announcing this Church "shooting" all written and ready for publication about 24 hours BEFORE the event.

...http://www.nnettle.com/news/3093-texas-church-shooting-massacre-confirmed-as-false-flag-event...

Texas Church Shooting Massacre Confirmed as False Flag Event Evidence emerges that mainstream media had advance knowledge of the attack By: Jay Greenberg |@NeonNettle on 6th November 2017 @ 12.20pm

Read more at: http://www.nnettle.com/news/3093-texas-church-shooting-massacre-confirmed-as-false-flag-event
© Neon Nettle

http://www.nnettle.com/news/images/texas-church-shooting-confirmed-as-false-flag-event-61117.jpg

Following the shocking news of a mass shooting in a Texas church on Sunday, evidence has now emerged that proves the attack actually was a False Flag event. The suspected shooter, 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley, reportedly opened fire on churchgoers during Sunday service at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, killing at least 27 people. The incident took place at around 11:30 a.m. local time when a man reportedly walked into the church, located about 40 miles east of San Antonio, and opened fire, according to witnesses. The news made headlines worldwide, yet some mainstream media news outlets had advance knowledge of the attack, even reporting on the incident a full day before it happened. Want to Silence Your Liberal Friends in 17 Seconds Flat? Show Them This Health Sciences Institute Sponsored by Revcontent Read More > 84,990 Qatar-based network Al Jazeera written an reported on the shooting over 24 hours before the shooting happened and scheduled the news item to appear on their website moments after the incident took place. The article published on their website titled Texas: At least 26 killed in Sutherland Springs church is timestamped with a time and date that shows the article was published shortly after the news broke. There's nothing unusual about that, right? Everything seems normal. The discrepancy is between the time it was created and the time it was published. The article was written and created over a day before the shooting but was scheduled to go live just after it happened. Most news website sites have a scheduling system to allow them to publish content at set times rather than at the time it was created. For example, if here at Neon Nettle, we have an article that's more relevant to our Australian audience, we would schedule it to go live at a more appropriate time for them rather than in the middle of the night when most of our audience would miss it. If we did this, the article would show the time it went live, but our server would also log the time it was created, which, in theory, could be weeks or months in advance. So how do we know when that article was created? Every once in a while, Google's extreme snooping comes in handy, and this is one of those instances. When Google scrapes content and adds it to their search, it also logs the server time and date it was created so it can show the user how old an article is. A quick search on Google and we can see the Al Jazeera article was created way before the incident happened (see screenshot below).


http://www.nnettle.com/news/images/texas-church-shooting-confirmed-as-false-flag-event-261117.jpg

So why would an Arab mainstream media network have advanced knowledge of a mass shooting event in Texas? This is clearly a hallmarking of a false flag, and the key to figuring out the motivation behind usually requires taking a closer look at what else is in the news headlines, or what is being kept out of the press. Over the weekend, major stories were breaking or about to break. On Sunday, we broke the story that Democrat lobbyist Tony Podesta was taken into custody by the US Marshalls. READ MORE: Tony Podesta Arrested: Arrest Warrants Issued for Hillary Clinton & John Podesta Sources also confirmed that lawyers representing his brother John Podesta and Hillary Clinton had negotiated their surrender for indictment on the condition that the news is kept out of the press. Shooting up a church full of Conservatives would certainly distract attention away from an imminent Democrat implosion. Also, over the weekend, Saudi Arabia's heir to the throne ordered a mass purge of billionaires, including royalty, in a huge child trafficking crackdown. READ MORE: Sauda Arabia Arrests Dozens of Billionaires and Princes in Mass Purge Speculation that the Saudi Arabian arrests are part of a negotiation with President Trump for a crackdown on the global pedophilia epidemic, is currently sweeping sites like Reddit and 4chan. News has also broke today that a helicopter carrying Prince Mansour bin Muqrin and other key Saudi Arabian officials has crashed on the Yemen border. False flags have the power alter public perception in several ways. The main objectives for such an event are usually to draw public attention away from another damaging story, or to sway public opinion into getting behind unpopular policies being pushed by the government. This latest gun attack could be another attempt at tearing up the US Constitution to change gun laws, but it would seem unnecessary so soon after the Las Vegas massacre. The objective for the Texas shooting appears to be more focused of distraction. With the Democrats so heavily in the sights at the moment, a mass shooting that gives Conservatives something else to talk about is suspicious at the very least. As events unfold, the motivation behind this horrific false flag event will become clearer.

Read more at: http://www.nnettle.com/news/3093-texas-church-shooting-massacre-confirmed-as-false-flag-event
© Neon Nettle

[cheka.]

imo, one of the last places 'they' would pull a hoax. long established people in rural hood -- farmers, conservatives, Christians. there's no fluff around to cover their tracks. that region offers the best of what is texas. small german and czech communities that have been there for 7 generations. the mom and pop bakeries and meat markets are incredible

[Down1]

Reporter for the Texas Tribune, Alexandra Samuels tweeted a statement released from the Air Force, “NEW: U.S. Air Force issues statement saying #SutherlandSprings shooter’s domestic violence offense was NOT entered into the NICS database.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/air-force-failure-allowed-texas-mass-shooter-purchase-guns/

Obama's Air Force btw.

[cheka.]

yet another version of the story - this one rings the truest yet - cops did nothing but clean up the mess after two locals took care of the problem. strange that they only estimated the number of kids shot -- wtf

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-06/these-are-two-heros-who-stopped-texas-church-shooter-devin-patrick-kelley

As details about yesterday’s shooting at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas started trickling out, witnesses and police sources shared how one brave man with a rifle confronted and shot suspected killer Devin Kelly, forcing him to flee.

A high-speed pursuit ensued, which ended when Kelly’s car crashed into a ditch. Police said they found Kelly dead in his vehicle, but it isn’t clear how he died.

However, two men who reportedly helped stop the shooter are now being hailed as selfless heros - “good guys with guns” who potentially saved dozens of lives by stopping the killer before he could murder more innocent people. As Sheriff Joe Tackitt pointed out in an interview with CNN, “there’s another church right down the road,” suggesting that the killer could’ve headed there next after murdering more than half of First Baptist’s congregation if he had not been stopped.

My San Antonio is now reporting that the man who confronted Kelly outside the church is Stephen Willeford, a sharp-shooting plumber with no military background who managed to shoot Kelly - who was reportedly dressed in tactical gear - prompting him to flee the scene. Earlier media reports identified Willeford as being a neighbor of the church.

As Willeford exchanged gunfire with Kelly outside the church, a second man - identified as Johnny Langendorff - pulled over when he witnessed the carnage and saw Kelly speed off. Willeford saw Langendorff and quickly rushed to his car.

Here’s more from My San Antonio:

Johnny Langendorff was one of the men who chased after suspected killer Devin Kelley, a 26-year-old from Comal County, he told KSAT in a television interview.

"I pulled up to the intersection where the shooting happened and I saw two men exchanging gunfire," Langendorff said, noting the shooter and another local were shooting at each other.

Once the gunman fled the church grounds in his vehicle, Langendorff said the other man came to his car.

"The other gentleman said we needed to pursue (the shooter) because he shot up the church," he said. "So that's what I did. I just acted."

“So we were doing about 95 mph, going around traffic and everything,” he added.

The pair chased the man down FM 539 headed North before the shooter lost control and ran off the roadway. Langendorff said the other man with him jumped out of the car and drew his rifle on Kelley.

"He didn't move after that," Langendorff said.

According to the New York Post, Texas Department of Public Safety chief Freeman Martin said Willeford “grabbed his rifle and engaged the suspect” after Kelley left the First Baptist Church. An area resident told the paper that Willeford, an avid biker who attends another church, learned about the shooting when his daughter called to say a man clad in body armor was shooting worshipers.

The local said that although Willeford has no military background, he didn’t hesitate when he came face to face with the suspect — and managed to squeeze off a round that struck the gunman, who had dropped his Ruger AR-15 variant.

Kelley had taken a hostage in his SUV’s passenger seat before fleeing, the local man told the paper.

According to Langendorff, it took cops about five to seven minutes to arrive. In the meantime, they kept a gun trained on Kelley.

“The police arrived and they pushed us back and they took care of the rest,” he said.

Langendorff’s girlfriend, Summer Caddel, said Kelley died a few feet away from Langendorff.

The local man, who knows both heroes, said Willeford made sure Kelley’s hostage was outside the vehicle when they approached the SUV.

Authorities are now reporting that between 12 and 14 children were among the 26 fatalities of the shooting. Another 20 people were injured. Police said not all of the victims were shot inside the church, but declined to elaborate.

Yesterday’s church shooting was the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history, and the deadliest shooting at a church in US history.

[midnight rambler]

Something we won't be seeing in the jewsmedia - I've a friend who knows an aide to Gov. Abbott. My friend was advised that Abbott told the feds to butt out of the church shooting investigation, that they could take their toys and go home and that this was a state matter having nothing to do with terrorism.

[StreetsOfGold]

Way too many inconsistencies for this story to be valid as I said from the beginning yaaaaaaawn
nay sayers are either idiots or forum trolls


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O_dQO8Y5so

[crimethink]

It can still be a "false flag" even if there were casualities and the shooting was real, but if there are zero records about deaths and hospitalizations, I would doubt this one twoo.

You doubt anything your handlers tell you to.

Any idiocy about Sutherland Springs being a "hoax" or even a "false flag" ENDS with Stephen Willeford.

A "hoax" is not going to boldly reinforce the "good guy with a gun" meme

And a "false flag" is not going to lay blame on a life-long loser ATHEIST (leftist) who battered his infant stepbaby and ex-wife.

[crimethink]

imo, one of the last places 'they' would pull a hoax. long established people in rural hood -- farmers, conservatives, Christians. there's no fluff around to cover their tracks. that region offers the best of what is texas. small german and czech communities that have been there for 7 generations. the mom and pop bakeries and meat markets are incredible

Dachsie is just another one of the kooks sowing deliberate disinformation.

[crimethink]

Way too many inconsistencies for this story to be valid as I said from the beginning yaaaaaaawn
nay sayers are either idiots or forum trolls

You flushed what little credibility you had down the shitter:



It takes GUTS to do what he did no matter what the reason or motive is.

Only a Devil says "it takes guts" to butcher unarmed children and women.

You can drop the "I'm a Christian" farce now, Shlomo, you're exposed.

[crimethink]

“His parents had him on high doses of ‘psych’ meds from 6th to 9th grade, the time I knew him,” said the student, who only wished to be identified as Reid.

The student also said Kelley often posted on his Facebook page about his assault rifle and atheism, and that “a lot of friends quit talking to him by senior year.”

Courtney Kleiber, a New Braunfels High School student who identified herself as Kelley’s “best friend for a number of years,” said in a Facebook discussion about the shooting that Kelley once was heavily involved with the First Baptist Church.

“I was his best friend for a number of years and he was a happy, caring person back then. It's crazy what time and [mental] illness can do to you,” she wrote.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html

[Dachsie]

imo, one of the last places 'they' would pull a hoax. long established people in rural hood -- farmers, conservatives, Christians. there's no fluff around to cover their tracks. that region offers the best of what is texas. small german and czech communities that have been there for 7 generations. the mom and pop bakeries and meat markets are incredible

Yes, it would seem that way.

But, I would opine that this event seems to be part of an overall string of events over the last few months all being orchestrated by one entity. In that sense, I think this event was planned.

The photo of the perp looks like a MK Ultra individual if I ever saw one.

There is some indication that these MK Ultra's people are being "queen of diamond'd" , triggered, right and left these days.
These people can be set into motion, to do any motion depending on the trigger, and can act in off-the-shelf false events on a moment's notice. Pro re nada.

Our oh so tough and righteous governor in Texas has a long history of being in on serious corruption of the usual kind - bribery, etc. He has his role to play.

The event this time scripts "conservative" "Christians" as victims.

And white drugged up looking guy as the "shooter."

No radical terrorist Muslim type this time.

This event would seem to be a chess move to distract, distract from what? You decide.

Whether real people were killed as usual we are not to know anything about that.

But this event is still part of a succession of events and they are all planned, orchestrated and scripted, and these events can be played out in any state of the union.

It is horrifying and very sad if innocent people were killed when attending their church.

The perpetrators could care less, and the true perpetrator is not a lone gunman.

[crimethink]

The event this time scripts "conservative" "Christians" as victims.

Dachsie's purpose here is revealed.

7th trump, Goldissima, StreetsofGeld, Dachsie...all being outed as Kosher agents of disinformation...

[old steel]

It's the same MO as all the other shooting events, lone gunman.

It's an agenda, period.

[cheka.]

It's the same MO as all the other shooting events, lone gunman.

It's an agenda, period.

indeed. researchers ought to put most of their effort into hunting down WHO, rather than spending so much time on the details of the event

[madfranks]

Something we won't be seeing in the jewsmedia - I've a friend who knows an aide to Gov. Abbott. My friend was advised that Abbott told the feds to butt out of the church shooting investigation, that they could take their toys and go home and that this was a state matter having nothing to do with terrorism.

Hmm, the news just reported that the FBI has the shooters phone and is analyzing it at their lab in Virginia.

[crimethink]

Hmm, the news just reported that the FBI has the shooters phone and is analyzing it at their lab in Virginia.

Indeed, and they're claiming they're "having trouble" getting into it.

Abbott has exactly one option to keep the Federal regime out of a state case: order the DPS to use force. He ain't gonna do that.

[crimethink]

Obama's Air Force...

12 months in jail and a "bad conduct" (better than dishonorable) discharge for his crimes...

Texas church gunman escaped from mental health facility in 2012 after threatening military superiors

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/07/as-texas-town-mourns-details-emerge-on-gunmans-methodical-tactics-in-church-massacre/?utm_term=.b595de8eb11a

[crimethink]

Texas shooter Devin Patrick Kelley had pending sex assault case, sheriff says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/devin-patrick-kelley-texas-church-shooting-massacre-sex-assault-case/

[Horn]

It's the same MO as all the other shooting events, lone gunman.

It's an agenda, period.

Yes, the only motive made public is that the equipment were available to do so.

[Dachsie]

Here is Dr. James Fetzer pontificating on a wide range of conspiracy subjects. It is a good overview of several false events since 9-11

but one about ten minute segment discusses Sutherland "church shooting" beginning at 6:15


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO3T-vZ8u_A

The Conspiricy GuY #50


Gary King
Published on Nov 10, 2017
Jim Fetzer

It was interesting how the photo of Sutherland "shooter" has no ears, evidence of photoshopping, and bringing up the issue of whether Kelley was a totally created fictional person. Who knows.

The guy is now said to have a long history of criminal violent behavior and mental illness. In one way, that establishes a legend or history for Kelley being a real person, but it also could be a totally created legend pieced together to paint a certain picture of the guy to the public. Of course, as always, none of it fits together and makes even a lick of sense. Now every alternative news commentator is biting the bait and reacting to all these bits and pieces of Kelley's MSM-disclosed history.

My original hypothesis still stands that if this guy is a real person, he is a MK Ultra triggerable person and possible did go on some kind of a shooting spree, but after listening to this coverage by Dr. Fetzer, I feel that hypothesis looks much weaker. We are back to square one and do not even know if the photograph of Kelley is real or if Kelley is a real person or not.

I appreciate Dr. Fetzer showing what looks phoney about this Sutherland "shooting." Do not one hundred percent buy in to everything Dr. Fetzer says and I think lately he has gotten too loose with his throwing about the term "nobody died" as I think is contradicts his insistence on adhering to real "evidence", that is, what we can reasonably know from what information we can obtain about these events.

As a person who lives in central Texas and is very familiar with small towns in Texas because of former employment, I have never heard of Sutherland, Texas. So it is very telling that this relatively unheard of place was the place of this false event. It looks like THEY can have most control over events that are in large urban venues and in very small rural venues. Medium size cities and venues as for number of non-crisis actor people around appear to be hardest to control everything.

We don't need to focus on this particular event very much because our focus will soon be switched to the next false event or bombshell disclosure du jour.

Will the real Lee Harvey Kelley please stand up?

C'mon y'all, it ain't rocket surgery!

[StreetsOfGold]

Yes, the only motive made public is that the equipment were available to do so.

and now the building is being "conveniently" being torn down.
REMOVE all evidence, just like the 911 evidence.

This entire SCRIPT is a yet another HOAX and SETUP

[Joshua01]

This is how its done and there aren't enough brave patriots to take action against these tyrants!!
and now the building is being "conveniently" being torn down.
REMOVE all evidence, just like the 911 evidence.

This entire SCRIPT is a yet another HOAX and SETUP

[Dachsie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWyS_-ifcz0

Texas church shooting - We're being lied to!
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The government both left and right are in on this.

[Dachsie]

Here is Paul Joseph Watson accepting fully at face value the official mainstream media story of Sutherland event. He refocuses attention completely away from questions about the official story that many people naturally have. This is dishonest anti-free speech drivel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LryQey8mdu0

[Dachsie]

I know we are supposed to just forget about last week's false flag and move our focus to the latest one this week but looks like Sutherland thing was a complete fake hoax.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VqZryfNwqo

FOOTAGE FROM TEXAS NO Bullet holes
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AT about 12:54 the videographer shows front of church with no holes in it.

This was kind of interesting to see what aftermath looks like.

With large numbers of news reporters and cameras everywhere, we are supposed to get the impression that something very big and very real happened there.

Very surreal. All superficial stuff. No look at building or ground to see evidence of all the gunshots. They keep everyone far away from where the action was supposed to have taken place.

[cheka.]

chance of hoax is slim to none

1. they would have used a shooter with better background -- more to the agenda. chump guy, raysis, anti-sem....lots of better stories than crazy leftist air force guy

2. location is horrible -- no urban, or even suburban, cover for their lies

[midnight rambler]

chance of hoax is slim to none

1. they would have used a shooter with better background -- more to the agenda. chump guy, raysis, anti-sem....lots of better stories than crazy leftist air force guy

2. location is horrible -- no urban, or even suburban, cover for their lies

There’s NO FUCKING WAY those salt of the earth country folks would play along with a hoax. It’s insane to think they would.

[Dachsie]

I think we all agree we have zero real evidence of actual shootings and deaths.

All are free to come to conclusions based on zero evidence.

I choose to keep exposing zero evidence.

[Dogman]

Think some, here ether need to get on their meds, or get on some.

But you are not alone, many here are just like you, = its called cluster fucking!

Sad !

;D

Dachsie, get off your dead ass and drive down and do an eyeball thingy. You live in or near Austin Right? I highly doubt tho maybe in time, due to the family's, you will have no video evidence.

Not sure, but if me, I would burn it to the ground and hold a service while it burns, then build again but not in the same foot print of the old building, that can be considered hollow ground. That dam church I bet is riddled with bullet holes.

[midnight rambler]

I imagine the reception one would get if one went there and started asking questions about the *hoax* and ‘faked deaths’ would be very unpleasant.

[Dogman]

I imagine the reception one would get if one went there and started asking questions about the *hoax* and ‘faked deaths’ would be very unpleasant. No fucking shit . ya thunk..

Feelings are running high because of very raw emotions and the pain

Deniers will I suspect will not be treated kindly, because of the same shared reality and pain.

One member lives less I suspect less than one hour driving time away.

Burn the church hold a service while it burns, (viking thing, history of the people living there and where they come from in Europe I suspect it will fit) then rebuild with shifted foundations, that church is shot up. I suspect a drive by bullet holes can be seeing on out side walls.

The original church I would conceder hollowed ground, Death is there, so turn the ground into something that rejoices life, with memory of the ones killed. So at least for generations that will come up later can remember if not understand.

But the ground itself , some kind of living (note living ) memorial.


Note: After the church is burnt down, take the ashes and bury them deep withing the foot print of the original building.

[Dachsie]

I imagine the reception one would get if one went there and started asking questions about the *hoax* and ‘faked deaths’ would be very unpleasant.

I have not seen anything I would call "faked deaths" so far. I see no deaths at all so far.

Unpleasant reception in the locale or in our individual lives for truth seekers questioning the questionable is very old hat at this point. On its simplest level, it is called political correctness and the regime is most unpleasant and unreceptive to those who speak incorrectly. The suspicious deaths or silenced citizenry of the town locals connected with Sandy Hook were often how people people were treated who tried to poke around in Newtown and ask the locals a few questions.

The church building is to be demolished and the entry way that sustained 420 rounds of "gunfire" yet miraculously shows no hole or blemish whatsoever are two of the more major signs of zero evidence.

Veritas

[Dogman]

I have not seen anything I would call "faked deaths" so far. I see no deaths at all so far.

Unpleasant reception in the locale or in our individual lives for truth seekers questioning the questionable is very old hat at this point. On its simplest level, it is called political correctness and the regime is most unpleasant and unreceptive to those who speak incorrectly. The suspicious deaths or silenced citizenry of the town locals connected with Sandy Hook were often how people people were treated who tried to poke around in Newtown and ask the locals a few questions.

The church building is to be demolished and the entry way that sustained 420 rounds of "gunfire" yet miraculously shows no hole or blemish whatsoever are two of the more major signs of zero evidence

Veritas

Take a trip, you live in easy range to see if rue or not ,


You will not I predict.. Or the same find an excuse not to do so. You are on record living near or in austan. Crayfish time I suspect!

For the record: I used to be stationed at berstrom when it was a TAC/SAC base, loved the area, loved the people, the bad was I35 and the traffic jambs which I suspect are still ingoing.

Texas hill people are the salt of the earth, along with they on the fertile low lands, lots of strong noetic types. Not far from there there was a place I used to travel near 200 miles to buy a bunch of their sausages and other foods,Edited: Some cheezes that you will kill for, nothing you will never see in a big box store, every month or so. Been many years since but I suspect not that much has changed, other than the the local kids want to be elswwerTe . To their parents sadness.

Are you a BGDAD type ? (blood guts death and distruction that it did not happen unless you see it with your own eyes) ? If so, sad

This forum is ate up with those types also.

Get off your dead ass and take the trip, but methinks you probably will not learn a dam thing.

Sad


Excuse spelling but seeing the forum now, I do not give a flying crap, my intent can be read.

[cheka.]

this event is a good learning experience on how the 'hoax' declarations come to be - sit back and watch the hoaxists operate. suspect this one will cause some of us to more harshly scrutinize future hoaxist claims

[Dachsie]

this event is a good learning experience on how the 'hoax' declarations come to be - sit back and watch the hoaxists operate. suspect this one will cause some of us to more harshly scrutinize future hoaxist claims


Oh, so now those of us who question an event are called "hoaxists." Interesting.

I ususally try to use the word "false event" but do resort to hoax now and then.

To me a "false event" can still involve killing real people at the event and often involve killing the loan nutter shooter.

This false event is not much different than the whole string of false events we have experienced over the last twenty years or longer and is no more or no less of a special learning experience than the others to see how anti-hoax declarations come to be -- sit back and watch the anti-"hoaxists" make up words and set up a dialectic. Setting forth credible ideas logically and discussing them reasonably without employing ad hominems but rather searching together for the best truth we can find is my goal.



I would like to see the anti-"hoaxists" bother to make some credible claims so that we hoaxists can have something worth scrutizing.

We have seen all the people of much larger towns than Sutherland Springs clam up in fear and in fact we discussed that very real phenomenon extensively for years on Dr. James Tracy's blog.

[Dogman]

Shit woman, (Sorta think you are) just hit the jackpot, on labels.

Yes you are hehehe methinks you complain too much..
Peace

Get off ylr dead ass and take a short drive and see for yourself...other than that you and what you say is worthless. To most here other than patco. (warped mind supreme and agenda driven)

Grin!

[Horn]

chance of hoax is slim to none

2. location is horrible -- no urban, or even suburban, cover for their lies

Jersey Devil were setup in the middle of the sticks.

it along with excessive force call in vegas, pulled an juice from vegas coverage or what some people would call an investigation.

who those people are of course are a hoax also, nobody would call vegas investigated.

[Joshua01]

It's a shame what happened out in Las Vegas isn't it? Why is no one talking about that any more?

[StreetsOfGold]

Get off ylr dead ass and take a short drive and see for yourself

Ironic considering your avatar
http://gold-silver.us/forum/image.php?u=3826&dateline=1472873041

[Dogman]

Ironic considering your avatar
http://gold-silver.us/forum/image.php?u=3826&dateline=1472873041

Life can be ironic, my health and age plus a tad of lack of funds limit me !

What is your excuse, ?

Your posts says it all about you!


Note: my hair is much longer now along with my beard, it will be a race (slow one 1/2 or so inches per month) to hit my belt line, then I will cocider trimming or tyding it up

Pumk, (add on mindless one for a fact)

Feel sad for you and they like you,

[Horn]

Not to mention that mysterious other third person who is in every thread with you, dogman.

[JDRock]

Not to mention that mysterious other third person who is in every thread with you, dogman.
Great catch Horn!

[Dogman]

Dude I can not help defend what is right, hell methinks you ran with a flame of truth, what happened to make you sell out? I refuse to become part of the local heard here .. And join the clusterfuck in progress.

At what ever time that is going on.

Did the original you die? you were great on music vids, Are ...?

[Horn]

If this place is a heard you are a terrible shepard, dogman.

All what is being made of this thread's case as far as i can tell is what were immediately produced.

And end to any inquiries at the vegas thread.